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Speaker 3: Ben Lieber is with us at the Bradshaw on Brian Cafe.

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Speaker 3: In text line if you have question six four six

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Speaker 3: Hopsplash player of the game in.

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Speaker 2: A little bit.

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Speaker 3: Nacho, I want to start with a Vikings talking point

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Speaker 3: that we call the Great punch Out.

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Speaker 4: Let's listen third and thirteen from their own six GoF

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Speaker 4: He's gonna talk left. Montgomery bobbles it turns it up

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Speaker 4: outside the numbers to the final they dropped it. Dn

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Speaker 4: Harry the hit Man Hey picks it up at the

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Speaker 4: thirty five angles to the right and he's tackled by

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Speaker 4: David Montgomery. The Vikings get the first take of this

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Speaker 4: division collision, and they get the ball in Lions territory.

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Speaker 4: Harrison Smith with the fumble recovery and for the hitman,

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Speaker 4: the tenth of his career.

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Speaker 3: I believe that was a cashman punch out, if I'm

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Speaker 3: not mistaken, a terrific play and Lieber. What's interesting to

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Speaker 3: me is that it seemed fairly clear that the Vikings

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Speaker 3: had frustrated or were frustrating Gibbs in a way that

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Speaker 3: we've rarely seen.

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Speaker 2: Right, the kid has just just killed us.

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Speaker 3: So to me, it's almost like, all right, we're gonna

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Speaker 3: go to the other guy who they go to anyway,

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Speaker 3: different look, and maybe he's gonna handle it.

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Speaker 2: He made a hell of a play on that pass.

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Speaker 3: He was It actually was a really he broke at

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Speaker 3: lead one tackle and I'm thinking, okay, well, maybe this

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Speaker 3: And then it gets reversed almost as quickly as as

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Speaker 3: I as I said it with the punch out and

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Speaker 3: a massive play that obviously led to a seven points

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, the whole turnover Circuit's been a huge

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Speaker 5: point of emphasis for the whole defense. I mean, we

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Speaker 5: we don't go back too far to think about Isaiah Rodgers,

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Speaker 5: you know, historic game and they you know, they talked

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Speaker 5: and you know you kind of couple that with going

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Speaker 5: preparation was just from not only just your own performance

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Speaker 5: we do best, and part of that is attacking the

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Speaker 5: football and not over thinking things. And I'd say, what

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Speaker 5: I mean, Cashman, this learn for this de uit way

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Speaker 5: that they use him in the blitz game. It's he's

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Speaker 5: because that's the other thing. We have so many these

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Speaker 2: No, that was just a massive swing in the ball game.

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Speaker 3: So the age old question after a performance like that defensively,

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Speaker 5: Well? First and foremost, I mean outside of that first drive,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And it's the best that I've seen our defensive

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Speaker 5: line attack and disengage from blocks up front. It was great.

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Speaker 5: They were trying to disengage and get to the ball carreer.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I saw numerous times where a defensive linement

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Speaker 5: it was hustle, it was attitude. It was everything that

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Speaker 3: The other thing, the other player, who I felt was

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Speaker 3: made uncomfortable, and that's what good defenses do. That's what

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Speaker 3: I think largely defines a good defensive performance is if

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Speaker 3: quarterback look a little off the mark, a little bit ruffled,

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Speaker 3: a little bit rattled in a way we've rarely seen.

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Speaker 3: And to me, that's the other thing they did with

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Speaker 2: That's the other thing. We all know.

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Speaker 3: He carves everybody up if he's got time to do it,

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Speaker 3: and you get him to his you know, if you

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Speaker 3: allow him to throw where he wants to. But that's

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Speaker 3: the most uncomfortable I feel like they have made golf

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Speaker 5: Yeah it's not. It's not dissimilar to the way they

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Speaker 5: last year. It's like, wait, where, Like, how can we

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Speaker 5: haven't seen this Vershi of Sam you know, all season long?

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Speaker 5: But you know, when when the hits pile up and

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Speaker 5: tell it got into his head and I'm I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 5: It was the most uncomfortable I've seen him. It's the

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Speaker 5: happiest feed I've seen out of him. He just he

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Speaker 5: wouldn't set his feet. He knew he couldn't step up,

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's that's is his biggest weakness of his

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Speaker 5: able to do that, you saw exactly what that yields,

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 3: John is checking in all the way from Plaia Vista, California,

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Speaker 3: regular listener, and this is for you, naturall.

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Speaker 2: What can you tell those.

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Speaker 3: Of us who are not X's and O's hardcoores about

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Speaker 3: Van Ginkel? What is it that he does that makes

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Speaker 3: also wants to remind us that it's sixty eight degrees

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Speaker 3: and Sonny in La where I believe they had their

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Speaker 3: Dodgers victory parade. In fact, it ended at Dodgers Stadium.

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Speaker 3: So John, we're happy for you. The Van Ginkel effect.

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Speaker 3: What can you tell.

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Speaker 5: for being the late fall.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's it's kind of it's kind of the

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Speaker 5: same thing can be said for Van Ginkel. And I

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Speaker 5: think part of this is having a guy like Gernard

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Speaker 5: And then well, the other guy on the other side,

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Speaker 5: the blitzing off the edge. They're really good, you know,

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Speaker 5: stout run stopper that he has, I would say number one.

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Speaker 5: His football, he was off the charts. He's so well studied.

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Speaker 5: He understands formation, he understands how they're going to attack,

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Speaker 5: he's a fearless player. I mean when he's asked to

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Speaker 5: not afraid to stick his nose in there and get

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Speaker 5: he's one of those slippery rushers. I wouldn't say that

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Speaker 5: he's unorthodox, but I also wouldn't say that it's teaching tape.

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Speaker 5: you'd pick Van Ginkel as like, Okay, I'm going to

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Speaker 5: teach my high schoolers how to do this rip chop.

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Speaker 2: And then this spin move and this and that.

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Speaker 5: it done. Like everything you ask him to do. An

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Speaker 5: inside spin move, he can do it if he wants to,

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Speaker 5: may not be teaching tape, but he's a slippery, he's crafty.

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Speaker 5: He's just a hell of a football player.

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Speaker 3: A good follow up to our discussion about GoF for

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Speaker 3: you as well. Let me see if I can, it's

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Speaker 3: the exact wording. In the past, Goff has tended to

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Speaker 3: pick us apart when we blitched.

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Speaker 3: Was it the their line just didn't handle pressure as

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Speaker 3: What was what distinguished this performance from the others where

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Speaker 3: he's kind of diced us up.

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Speaker 5: You know, I don't. I think we did a great

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Speaker 5: job of just not not tipping our blitzes when we

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Speaker 5: line of scrimmage and we did blitz And I think

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Speaker 5: I think the imbalance that we created on his thought

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Speaker 5: I don't know where to escape from. I don't know

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Speaker 5: what exactly check into. Because we did do a good

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Speaker 5: it looked like a static cover two. Look all right,

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Speaker 5: It makes me smile. You know, I thought, I really

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Speaker 5: It seemed professional. It just seemed like a smooth operation

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Speaker 5: then a few plays later he's scrambling into his right

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Speaker 2: Lastly, hopsplash Player of the Game.

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Speaker 5: What he got Okay, So I feel like I have

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Speaker 5: to reiterate this every single week here, Dan, somebody reached

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Speaker 5: if Eric Wilson's not the hop Splash Player of the Game,

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Speaker 5: Drake Rodriguez is nickname going with El Presidente so so

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Speaker 5: El Presidente LDR. I'm going to give him the Hopsplash

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Speaker 5: Player of the Game, not just for the field goal

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Speaker 5: block you could. You guys should watch this guy work

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Speaker 2: Nice I like it.

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Speaker 1: The one thing that's clear though, that Sierra Nevada should

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Speaker 5: Ben Well, I tell you what, man, we need to

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Speaker 5: get Dough to just kind of clip this whole thing

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Speaker 2: There you go?

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Speaker 5: Is it just you know they got to be back

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Speaker 1: One of the younger salespeople will do that for Dough.

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Speaker 1: That might be part of the process. Enjoy the Monday

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Speaker 3: I know you'll be glued to Dallas versus the Arizona Cardinals.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I actually will. I mean, you know, I am

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Speaker 5: You know, one of my guys is the head coach.

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Speaker 2: It's a very likable guy from the Cowboys this year.

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Speaker 3: Very likable guy. Uh, great stuff. As always, My friend

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Speaker 5: Thanks Ben, all right, sounds good. I appreciate you, guys.

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Speaker 3: Maybe another Vikings talking point when we get back, and

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Speaker 2: Let's try to squeeze in one more Vikings talking point.

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Speaker 3: We alluded to some of this with Nacho, but never

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Speaker 3: in the end, the players do have the last word,

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Speaker 7: One thing, Paul, for sure, that I've seen on our

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Speaker 7: What a huge, huge play to get out and get

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Speaker 4: And ten gooff straight drop. Now he rolls up to

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Speaker 2: That'll make it second.

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Speaker 4: And the reason I kind of flippantly said that is

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Speaker 2: Last year, that very same Jamiir Gibbs.

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Speaker 3: Touched the ball forty seven times in games against the

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Speaker 2: We know it's not good baseball.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday twelve touches, twenty eight yards, longest run from scrimmage

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Speaker 3: There's gonna be more heat, there's gonna be more of

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Speaker 2: But they have standards now. They do have standards now.

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Speaker 2: They punched the ball out.

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Speaker 3: maybe this is going to be a Montgomery game mm hm,

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Speaker 3: because I think he's more of a veteran guy.

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Speaker 2: He can do other things. McCarthy. That was the scramble

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Speaker 2: that touchdown.

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Speaker 1: What's crazy about that fumble was he was It was

442
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Speaker 1: a devastating third down pickup.

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Speaker 2: Right. If they don't get.

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Speaker 3: That exactly right, that's the first Oh my god, Yeah,

445
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,600
Speaker 3: we've got them right where we want exactly And all

446
00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 3: year third and long has been like the vikings Flowonami kryptonite.

447
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Speaker 6: Right.

448
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Speaker 1: Teams have just been picking them up picking them up

449
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:23,679
Speaker 1: over and over again, and they catch you on a

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Speaker 1: running play. So it was a nice save.

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Speaker 3: And then yeah, JJ, it's a great shave and no

452
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Speaker 3: question and and you know Montgomery, he can fumble a

453
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Speaker 3: little bit.

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Speaker 2: That's happened before in some games.

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Speaker 3: The other thing is, weren't the Lions like three for

456
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Speaker 3: three or four for four going forward on fourth down?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they got all of them. They got

458
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Speaker 2: all of.

459
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Speaker 3: Them, and you automatically would think, well, that means you

460
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Speaker 3: have no chance to win. That's the irony of it

461
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Speaker 3: that the Lions were very clutch on fourth down when

462
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Speaker 3: they were willing to go for it on fourth But

463
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Speaker 3: there are a few times the Vikings defense was good

464
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Speaker 3: enough and they were backed up enough that even the

465
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Speaker 3: riverboat gambler didn't feel like he could risk going forward

466
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Speaker 3: on fourth down from deep in his own end or

467
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Speaker 3: fourth down and twelve or fourth down and fifteen or

468
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Speaker 3: fourth down and ten. We'll come back with Johnny athletic.

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Speaker 3: We'll get some Vikings reaction from him, but we'll also

470
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Speaker 3: go in a couple of other directions, including your red

471
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Speaker 3: hot suddenly red hot Minnesota Timberwolves. They are in Brooklyn

472
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Speaker 3: to take on the winless Nets tonight.

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Speaker 2: Johnny is there.

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Speaker 3: He will file a live report from near the Statue

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Speaker 3: of Liberty.

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Speaker 1: Next final segment of the show, the show Rap Tonight

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Speaker 1: because a Wolves basketball presented by American Pressure Commercial Great

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Speaker 1: Pressure Washers since nineteen seventy five.

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Speaker 2: It's the Bumper to Bumper show Rap.

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Speaker 3: It certainly sets up like the ultimate trap game for

481
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Speaker 3: your favorite basketball team, the Minnesota Timberwolves basking in the

482
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Speaker 3: glory of a one game I think it's a one

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Speaker 3: game winning streak, knocking off Charlotte, knocking off Charlotte, toying

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Speaker 3: with Charlotte Laatee, and then going to Brooklyn where the

485
00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 3: Nets have not won home more road yet. They're looking

486
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Speaker 3: for their first victory for the twenty twenty five twenty

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Speaker 3: six season, and the Wolves lay an egg and now

488
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Speaker 3: Brooklyn gets their victory. Johnny Athletic is there to file

489
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Speaker 3: a live report. He is continuing to track the Wolves

490
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:27,280
Speaker 3: early on the road. What percentage chance do you put

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Speaker 3: it regarding the Wolves doing exactly that and finding a

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Speaker 3: way to lose tonight?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, you know, I've covered this team for

494
00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 6: a long time, and even in the good times, which

495
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 6: we've seen a lot of lately, Dan, they always have

496
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 6: a mad mean propensity to play down to the competition

497
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Speaker 6: and then you know, you forget that they got cat

498
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Speaker 6: on Wednesday night. So are they looking at it for

499
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:54,040
Speaker 6: the Knicks and to that game too? So yeah, I

500
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Speaker 6: do think. I'm sure the coaches are a little nervous,

501
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 6: just because this is historically the kind of game that

502
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 6: the Wolves mess around with and then they end up

503
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 6: then they end up in trouble, and then you know,

504
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:09,679
Speaker 6: and then they have an egg on their face. We'll see,

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00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 6: because the Nets, they're a terrible, terrible team. Michael Porter

506
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 6: Junior is out tonight, so it's hard to see how

507
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 6: they score enough to be in this game. But the

508
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 6: Wolves haven't exactly been you know, the Pittsburgh Steelers steel

509
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 6: curtain defense for most of the time either. So we'll see.

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Speaker 6: I expect them to win, but I wouldn't be shocked.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So we we've talked a lot about the point

512
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Speaker 3: guard situation. I do want to get back to a

513
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 3: little bit eventually. We will talk Vikings reaction with you two,

514
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Speaker 3: but we've been very Vikings heavy throughout this this program.

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Speaker 2: I want to get.

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Speaker 3: Your read on the bench as an entity, what we Again,

517
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Speaker 3: it's very early yet I have not been overwhelmed by

518
00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 3: our bench to this point or all parts of it,

519
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Speaker 3: especially the kids.

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Speaker 2: So what are you.

521
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Speaker 3: Seeing early, what are the trends and and what does

522
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Speaker 3: that tell you in terms of any adjustments in terms

523
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 3: of personnel, who gets the minutes as we go forward

524
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Speaker 3: the next the next several weeks.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean the bench has been disappointing to start

526
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Speaker 6: this season. Dan, I mean, we entered the season believing

527
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 6: that this was going to be a team that could

528
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Speaker 6: go ten deep, maybe even eleven depending on how guys

529
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Speaker 6: were playing. And you know, it's not just the kids.

530
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Speaker 6: It's not just dilling Ham and Shannon who are struggling

531
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Speaker 6: a little bit or at least inconsistent. Nas Reed has

532
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 6: not been himself and that's a huge part of it. Dan, Like,

533
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,359
Speaker 6: he's supposed to be the winch pin. He's supposed to

534
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 6: be the guy that comes off the bench and really

535
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Speaker 6: holds everything down. He started to show some signs of

536
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 6: playing better, but they need more consistency and more explosiveness

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Speaker 6: out of nas Reed and we'll see if they get

538
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Speaker 6: that tonight kind of in here near his hometown. So,

539
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Speaker 6: but on the young side, of things. I think, you know,

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Speaker 6: dilling Ham has some physical limitations that he's dealing with

541
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Speaker 6: that he's trying to figure out how to navigate. Some

542
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 6: games he looks okay. I thought he was all right

543
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Speaker 6: against Charlotte. There's other ones that he looks so overwhelmed.

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Speaker 6: The one I think that has been the most disappointed,

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Speaker 6: I would say is Karen Shannon Junior. It's got a

546
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Speaker 6: great pre season shot, the ball great, he just has

547
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Speaker 6: not looked as assertive and as aggressive looking for his

548
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 6: own shot playing downhill, and I think he it's easy

549
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Speaker 6: to say that he is just a little blip for him.

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Speaker 6: He will get going here eventually. Feeling him is a

551
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Speaker 6: little bit more of an open question about what's going

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Speaker 6: to happen. And Jalen Clark is finally back and he's

553
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:37,880
Speaker 6: the difference maker. So I think you're going to see

554
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Speaker 6: a lot more minutes for him in the next days

555
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Speaker 6: and weeks here because he's just been too good and

556
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Speaker 6: too impactful defensively.

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Speaker 3: So you get the feeling early here that we're going

558
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Speaker 3: to see a lot of experimentation of the point guard position,

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Speaker 3: even though there's not really that many options right now.

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Speaker 3: Right it's not like you can you know, the roster

561
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Speaker 3: at least as the stands now kind of is what

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Speaker 3: it is.

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Speaker 2: How do you see this going?

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I do. I think Dan that really it's going

565
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 6: to be up to Chris Finch basically game in and

566
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Speaker 6: game out to decide is this a Rob Dillingham game

567
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Speaker 6: or is this not a Rob Dillingham game? And that's

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Speaker 6: basically the decision that he's going to have to make.

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Speaker 6: I mean, Mike Conley is going to be solid. There

570
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,159
Speaker 6: are going to be nights where he just doesn't have

571
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 6: it at this age or things aren't going well, but

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Speaker 6: by and large, you can count on Mike Conley to

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Speaker 6: be solid. With Rob Dillingham, he might be actually pretty

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Speaker 6: impactful run and pick and roll, getting up and down

575
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Speaker 6: the floor, making some defensive plays as he did in Charlotte.

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Speaker 6: Or he might be just unable to get to the

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Speaker 6: rim because of the size disadvantages, he maybe turning the

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Speaker 6: ball over and then it might be a night where

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Speaker 6: he only plays ten minutes rather than fifteen to twenty.

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Speaker 6: And I thought Finch really sort of sent out in

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Speaker 6: all of Branch in the Charlotte game because he went

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Speaker 6: back to Dillingham in the fourth quarter. Of a nine

583
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Speaker 6: point game because Billy Hammer played well in the second half,

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Speaker 6: and you have to do that, even if it may

585
00:29:08,320 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 6: cause you know, even more gray hairs.

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Speaker 2: On his head.

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Speaker 6: You just have to give him those chances when he

588
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 6: does have a little bit of confidence going. But I

589
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 6: think that's going to be very fluid, depending on the opponent,

590
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 6: depending on the night. You know, for the foreseeable future.

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Speaker 3: Here, defensively, we're not where we want to be, I

592
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:28,560
Speaker 3: don't think, correct.

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Speaker 6: No, that's true. Yeah, Ben, they were good against Charlotte.

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Speaker 6: You say, oh, Charlotte, congratulations, But the Hornets are scoring

595
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 6: a bunch of points this year, their fourth overall and

596
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 6: offensive efficiency, and so for them to play well in

597
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,360
Speaker 6: that game actually was a step in the right direction,

598
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Speaker 6: but still a long ways to go on that front

599
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 6: to reclaim anything. They were twenty seventh in the league

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Speaker 6: in defense. You just cannot be that way when you

601
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 6: have Rudy Gobert and JD. McDaniels on the court. So

602
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 6: they got a lot to figure out.

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Speaker 3: You know, this is a team I think a general

604
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 3: manager or president of basketball operations who doesn't you know,

605
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 3: panic he tends to be longview guy. He tends to

606
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 3: be very patient. But do you think he'll stay patient

607
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Speaker 3: if the point guard thing. If nothing seems to really

608
00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 3: work consistently, At what point in the season do you

609
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Speaker 3: think they start exploring options and are there any options

610
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Speaker 3: that are even worth exploring?

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Speaker 2: Would you say?

612
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Speaker 6: Yeah? I mean so I would expect that if things

613
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Speaker 6: don't solidify and you know, both by January first, I

614
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 6: do think that you'll see Tim Connolly be aggressive. I

615
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 6: mean he has been aggressive since he got here in

616
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 6: making deals. He does look at this championship window as

617
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 6: open right now for this team, and so I think

618
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,240
Speaker 6: he wants to maximize it. But I do think that

619
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Speaker 6: to your point, he does want to give Rob Dillingham time.

620
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Speaker 6: He does want to give my Conley time to kind

621
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Speaker 6: of get the rust off and play, and he doesn't

622
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Speaker 6: want to be reactionary. The good thing for for that

623
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Speaker 6: part of it is, it's just there's really very few

624
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 6: deals that happened in the NBA before like December fifteenth,

625
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 6: Like it just doesn't happen very often, and so there

626
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:12,360
Speaker 6: is time that's going to be built in organically to

627
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 6: really evaluate and take a look at things. But yes,

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Speaker 6: I do believe that if we get to late December

629
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Speaker 6: early January and there are still these issues and still

630
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 6: these inconsistencies that point guard. I believe he will go

631
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:28,600
Speaker 6: out and look for things. What are the options? That's

632
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 6: a great question. I mean, you know, down the list,

633
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 6: Tyas Jones isn't playing well in Orlando. Maybe there's something there,

634
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 6: you know, maybe there's there's kind of like a middle

635
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 6: of the road type of a move. Everyone right now, though,

636
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,760
Speaker 6: is watching John Moran in Memphis stand and it does

637
00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 6: not look like it's going well there. He makes a

638
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 6: ton of money. It would be very hard to do something,

639
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 6: and maybe the Wolves would be have concerns just given

640
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 6: all of the issues Morana's had lately. But he is

641
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 6: a dynamic point guard that could become available eventually here.

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00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 6: So that is one name, you know that I would

643
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 6: just keep an eye on. I you know, again just

644
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 6: strusting here. I don't think they'd spend any talks. I

645
00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 6: don't think that there's anything there, But that's a name

646
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 6: that I would watch if if we get down the

647
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,680
Speaker 6: road and they feel like they have to do something.

648
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Speaker 2: Did the Vikings change everything yesterday in Detroit?

649
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 6: I don't know if they changed everything, but they certainly

650
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 6: got something done that they absolutely needed to. I mean

651
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:31,240
Speaker 6: I thought that they were petering on the brink of

652
00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 6: collapse here, Dan, I really did when you looked at

653
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 6: how they had performed against the Chargers, the defense really struggling,

654
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Speaker 6: you know, all of the issues at quarterback, and for

655
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Speaker 6: them to come out play well defensively of getting Ben

656
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Speaker 6: Jinkle back I think is really big. So that was

657
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Speaker 6: really encouraging. And then I think JJ McCarthy really gave

658
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Speaker 6: reason for optimism going forward. I mean there were certainly

659
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Speaker 6: some throws that he missed, but just his overall energy,

660
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 6: his overall leadership, his playmate inability, the guts that he

661
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 6: showed to make the big throw to Nailor, I mean

662
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 6: in the third start in a tough place to play.

663
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Speaker 6: I was pleasantly surprised by how well they played in

664
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Speaker 6: that game. And I do think it does take a

665
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Speaker 6: little bit of the pressure off right now and maybe

666
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Speaker 6: less guys calm down just a little bit here. I

667
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 6: don't think it's a stamp that they are arrived, that

668
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 6: they have arrived and look out top of the division,

669
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Speaker 6: but it definitely did stem the tide on This is

670
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 6: going to be a long and ugly season here going forward.

671
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Speaker 6: So at least they got some intrigue into it, which

672
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Speaker 6: was important.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I think the way I've been looking at it is

675
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 3: they couldn't. They didn't clinch anything with the victory, but

676
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 3: they might have lost their season if they'd have gone

677
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: to Detroit and done what a lot of people expected.

678
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Speaker 3: I'm not sure there would have been any recovery from

679
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: three to five at that point when you look at

680
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Speaker 3: the schedule. So the door was opened, and you avoided

681
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 3: probably saying, okay, rebuilding, let's just hand the ball to

682
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: the key, the kid quarterback, and we'll just live with

683
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Speaker 3: whatever he's going to do, because there's just not going

684
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: to be anything at stake.

685
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Speaker 2: Are you willing to go public?

686
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,759
Speaker 3: I know you liked to keep this private, but is

687
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Speaker 3: this the time to go public with the fact that,

688
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 3: for example, you're in Brooklyn to track the walls against

689
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 3: the nets tonight, that part of the Johnny athletic routine

690
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 3: on game night is to show up at the game

691
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Speaker 3: three hours early and sit by yourself in the press

692
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Speaker 3: section press box, meditating, eyes closed for at least what

693
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Speaker 3: is it, is it fifteen minutes? As you go that

694
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Speaker 3: long or is that a little too long?

695
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Speaker 6: No, it's yeah, it's definitely been a routine of mind

696
00:34:49,080 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 6: that I think JJ took from me. But yes, I

697
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 6: sit down, I'm cross legged, the eyes are closed, I'm

698
00:34:56,760 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 6: speaking things into existence. I'm trying to find the lead

699
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 6: that's going to just get a million subscribers at the Athletic.

700
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 6: I'm thinking about story angles. I'm just visualizing success. And

701
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 6: it's a very powerful routine that, Yeah, it is. It's

702
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 6: usually about about four hours before a game in the

703
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 6: quiet of the stadium where it's just me and the

704
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 6: lights in the court and nobody else. And that's you

705
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,120
Speaker 6: know why it's been, you know, such a success for

706
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Speaker 6: me and in this career.

707
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Speaker 2: It's it's all.

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Speaker 6: It's it's yoga, it's meditation and speaking things into existence.

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Speaker 3: Well, I in all seriousness, and I look, I get it.

710
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 3: Maybe that helps them and it's a it's a great

711
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,479
Speaker 3: visual for TV. I get all that, and I get

712
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 3: the you know how important it is the story angles

713
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 3: having to do with all the captains speaking their piece,

714
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: and you know, this is the kid who's got something

715
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 3: extra in the intangibles. But I talked about earlier, I'm

716
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 3: with I don't know who the ESPN analyst was before

717
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 3: the game but one of their big shots said, man,

718
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:00,880
Speaker 3: you know what I need to see JJ McCarthy.

719
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:02,720
Speaker 2: I need to see him just make some plays.

720
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Speaker 3: I don't need to hear any more about what a

721
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 3: leader he is and the intangibles and all this stuff.

722
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 3: Just make a couple of pressure passes, get your team

723
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Speaker 3: in position to win. And that's the beauty of the performance,

724
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Speaker 3: because ultimately we saw enough of that to encourage the

725
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 3: notion that if he's not necessarily the quarterback of the

726
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 3: president who's ready to leave them all the way, that

727
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,799
Speaker 3: he might well become that over period of time. That's

728
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Speaker 3: what I want to see, because I think we've all

729
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 3: been contemplating our navel about him too much. And my

730
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: theory is it's because we got no body of work

731
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Speaker 3: to go on because he's missed so many games.

732
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Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, that's exactly it, Dan, And you know me.

733
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Speaker 6: You know, I'm a storyteller. I'm a stucker fer. Ye,

734
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:47,400
Speaker 6: those narratives and things. But here's the other thing that

735
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 6: I'll tell you about that is that right now we

736
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 6: are looking at that as look at this guy and

737
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,479
Speaker 6: look at the preparation and the commitment that he has

738
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Speaker 6: to it, and how focused and locked in he is,

739
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 6: while isn't this cool if they would have gone out

740
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,960
Speaker 6: and lost, if you would have played poorly. Event Hey,

741
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 6: this guy's a little weird, you know, like this is

742
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 6: this isn't quirky, Like this is just playing weird? Why

743
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 6: is he doing this? And this is not what Tom

744
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 6: Brady does and this is not what Patrick Mahomes does,

745
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 6: and so this kid doesn't have it. And so it

746
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 6: really is like at the end of the day, as

747
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 6: much as I love to tell stories and I love

748
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 6: to bring people behind the curtain and I'll continue to

749
00:37:24,200 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 6: do that, it is especially in the NFL, it's results based,

750
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 6: like you have to be able to put something on

751
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 6: the field. And I frankly thought that some of the

752
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,479
Speaker 6: natestares were a little two down on him. With such

753
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:38,480
Speaker 6: little body of work, then how could you really make

754
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 6: a determination one way or the other. But I do

755
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 6: think he needed he needed that performance on Sunday, and

756
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 6: he needed to go out and make big plays in

757
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 6: a big situation. And it does change the way some

758
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 6: outside people look at him, even if it doesn't change

759
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 6: the way people inside the organization look It's important you

760
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 6: have to do it on the field and then all

761
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:01,960
Speaker 6: of those other fells and whistles are are cool parts

762
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:04,040
Speaker 6: of your story and not the whole story.

763
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Speaker 3: No, no, there's no question about that. But it was,

764
00:38:06,920 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 3: like you said, a good start and a very good performance.

765
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Speaker 7: Yep.

766
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Speaker 2: I think maybe more than anything. Starting with the defense.

767
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,000
Speaker 3: We spent a lot of time talking about the defensive

768
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 3: side being really instrumental because Gibbs, who has absolutely tortured them,

769
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 3: was no factor.

770
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: They literally made him, They rendered.

771
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Speaker 3: Him useless, which is a big step for this team

772
00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,359
Speaker 3: which had I don't think he you know, he's good

773
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,400
Speaker 3: against everybody, but I don't think he's been ever. I

774
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 3: don't think here's anybody he's been as good against against

775
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:38,359
Speaker 3: it as the Vikings. He's just absolutely torched Thecliss Club

776
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 3: in the past.

777
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I mean that's I think having Blake Cashman

778
00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 6: back for a few weeks now, getting Van Ginko back

779
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 6: out there, maybe limiting some of the staffs. I haven't

780
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 6: seen the staff counts yet, but limiting some of them

781
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 6: for Dallas Turner, who's who has struggled in the run

782
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 6: game helps things. But they certainly played with an entirely

783
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 6: different edge, with an entirely different approach, and we had

784
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Speaker 6: seen from this defense, and that to me is the

785
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 6: biggest key because you know, we know that JJ McCarthy

786
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Speaker 6: is going to go through the ups and downs. He's

787
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Speaker 6: a young quarterback. There's gonna be that. We know they're

788
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 6: banged up on the offensive line, and so you might

789
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:16,319
Speaker 6: get some inconsistencies offensively. What we were not supposed to

790
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 6: see this season was the defense struggles to the degree

791
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Speaker 6: that it has, and so if they have rediscovered it,

792
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 6: if they are just a little healthier now, that's all

793
00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,360
Speaker 6: good for the Vikings and that is promising for maybe

794
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Speaker 6: being able to stack a few wins going forward.

795
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Speaker 3: Biggest surprise in this young NBA season or the story

796
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,839
Speaker 3: that's that's kind of caught your eye, even if it

797
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: was not necessarily a surprise.

798
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean the two teams that have really jumped

799
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Speaker 6: off the screen are Philadelphia. They're beating everyone and with

800
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 6: with with a young backcourt and beat isn't really even

801
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 6: doing a whole lot for him right now, and they're

802
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 6: really exciting. They have this rookie VJ. Edge tomb was

803
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 6: just jumping out of the gym and doing great things.

804
00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 6: But then I mean the other one is you know,

805
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 6: Victor Wembinama and the Spurs. Man, I mean, we all

806
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,919
Speaker 6: were kind of looking at them as maybe a team

807
00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:12,320
Speaker 6: that's still a year or two away, and maybe eventually

808
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:15,080
Speaker 6: they still will be. But right now, I mean, I

809
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:16,960
Speaker 6: know you had an off game the other night, but like,

810
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,520
Speaker 6: he has been dominating at to a point where it's like, no,

811
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,320
Speaker 6: he's legitimately a top five, top six player right now,

812
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 6: and that's how impactful he's been. And the rest of

813
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 6: the team is kind of following him, uh and just

814
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 6: playing great basketball right now. And so it looks like

815
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Speaker 6: his arrival maybe a little bit ahead of schedule here,

816
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 6: which is an issue for everyone in the league, including

817
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 6: the Simberwolves.

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Speaker 3: Are you going to try so you're I assume staying

819
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 3: for the cat game for the next game, correct.

820
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Speaker 6: I wouldn't miss it.

821
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Speaker 3: So what's the what's the shock jock influencing you're going

822
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Speaker 3: to do here? What's the plan? Who are you going

823
00:40:54,560 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: to try to get him going? What's the controversy you

824
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 3: think you might be able to to create?

825
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, we'll find out. I'm not sure yet, but I

826
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:04,919
Speaker 6: don't know that I'm gonna have to try that hard.

827
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 6: It's a little angsty here in.

828
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,520
Speaker 2: New York already. Didn't take that.

829
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 6: That happens naturally, and so I'm just gonna come in

830
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 6: and and you know, you know how I like, I

831
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Speaker 6: do like to stir it a little bit. I might

832
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:17,840
Speaker 6: just have to take one or two stirs of the

833
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,640
Speaker 6: I'm going to really get into it. That's true, it's

834
00:41:20,640 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 6: already whipped up around here.

835
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,279
Speaker 3: That was along when an answer is say, you're going

836
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 3: to have to subscribe to the Athletic to find out.

837
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:27,919
Speaker 2: He didn't. He didn't answer the question.

838
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, hey, it's it's not there yet. It'll be there

839
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Speaker 6: Thursday morning.

840
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 3: Have fun in Brooklyn. My friend will chat soon. Thanks Shanny.

841
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 3: All right, Thanks Johnny Athletic helping us out. We're out

842
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 3: early because Wolve's Nets coming up next here on the flagship.

843
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Speaker 3: Don't forget go for hoops on Twin Cities News Talk

844
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Speaker 3: Am eleven thirty. That's men's hoops. We're talking about Gardner

845
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Speaker 3: Webb Nice Tomorrow. We've got a couple of guests to

846
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 3: talk about the new Prince musical that are very close

847
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 3: to that story. Kevin Seffert will join Louis tomorrow too.

848
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 3: That's the plan. A very busy program. Enjoy the rest

849
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Speaker 3: of your evening. Thanks for watching, thank you for listening,

850
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Speaker 3: and we will talk to you tomorrow beginning at three o'clock.

851
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Speaker 2: Thank you for the memories, thank you for the great time.

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Speaker 2: We love you, Dady Go Twins.

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Speaker 6: Thank you for the airtime, and

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Speaker 2: I'll talk to you soon