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Speaker 1: It's so nice to have you in here. Thank you, Jackie.

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Speaker 2: It's an unprecedented presentation of sort of the facts of

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Speaker 2: That's our job at the Holocaust and Humanity Center is

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Speaker 1: So, and I understand your presentation at the Nancy and

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Speaker 3: But absolutely, I mean, you know, the artifacts are large

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Speaker 3: We don't have to be involved in this right now.

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Speaker 3: Your point, your word about agency is the important thing.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a great way of some And that's the

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Speaker 1: Thomas with Elizabeth Pierce, President CEO of the Sinsame Museum Center,

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Speaker 1: along with Jackie Kinjaco, the CEO of the Nancy and

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Speaker 1: David Wolf Holocaust in Humanity Center, focusing primarily this hour

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Speaker 1: on the exhibit that's being displayed there until April twelve.

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Speaker 1: Get your tickets. Auschwitz not long Ago, not far away again.

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Speaker 1: Five hundred original artifacts from Auschwitz and it's the biggest

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Speaker 1: collection of these artifacts outside of Europe. And this is

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Speaker 1: kind of a traveling event or traveling exhibit that's going

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Speaker 1: around the world. Happens to be here for several months

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Speaker 1: and we're blessed to have it here, and of course

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Speaker 1: with the Center for Holocaust or Holocaust or Humanity Center

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Speaker 1: putting its spin on it. It's got a different flavor to

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Speaker 1: it then if you saw it someplace else, and a

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Speaker 1: positive spin they try to put on it. But let

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Speaker 1: us get ourselves grounded. And we've got Thanksgiving coming up.

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Speaker 1: We have a lot to be thankful. Alluding back a

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Speaker 1: little bit to the screaming and yelling, I just engage

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Speaker 1: in it over the moment, because we complain here in

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Speaker 1: America over the most minute things. We get ourselves all

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Speaker 1: in sense. We love to criticize about how terrible things

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Speaker 1: are and how unjust things are. And then you look

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Speaker 1: at what happened world War two, the treatment of the Jews,

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Speaker 1: the concentration camps, everything that these folks live through, and

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Speaker 1: everything they had to deal with coming out the other

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Speaker 1: side through Union terminal to furtherir new life if they

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Speaker 1: were lucky enough to survive the Holocaust, and having a

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Speaker 1: positive spin on it, looking at life from a fresh perspective,

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Speaker 1: and being positive and optimistic about the future. So go

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Speaker 1: to the exhibit, Yes, what it was like, and then

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Speaker 1: decide whether or not you think you have something to

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Speaker 1: complain about.

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Speaker 4: Yes, have some family conversations.

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Speaker 2: There is nothing like a visit to this exhibition or

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Speaker 2: to the Holocaust in Humanity Center to inspire that kind

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Speaker 2: of gratitude and perspective. We have one artifact in the

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Speaker 2: center that is a uniform worn by a survivor, Leo Willick,

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Speaker 2: and it is pretty pretty well preserved. It's because after

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Speaker 2: he survived Auschwitz, he had it pressed and cleaned and

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Speaker 2: he would put it. He put it in a box

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Speaker 2: on the top of his closet and he would put

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Speaker 2: it on when he was having a bad day and

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Speaker 2: look in the mirror and remind himself that his worst

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Speaker 2: days were behind him. So you know, if these people

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Speaker 2: who survived the absolute worst of human the worst things

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Speaker 2: human beings can do to each other, can come out

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Speaker 2: of that and not just write off humanity forever and actually,

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Speaker 2: to the contrary, build an organization that believes in the

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Speaker 2: possibility for us to do better, that educates like, what's

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Speaker 2: our excuse? Why are we not hopeful? Why are we

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Speaker 2: not feeling like we have any agent?

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Speaker 4: See your power?

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think that's the most inspiring thing you

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Speaker 2: can imagine.

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Speaker 1: Bless you well, and that again does a beautiful job

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Speaker 1: summon up in the experience I had when I saw

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Speaker 1: the center, because that's how I felt when it came out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you feel better for having seen it right and knowing

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Speaker 1: these people's experiences. Which takes me over to something I've

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Speaker 1: been alluding to all morning, This artificial intelligence experience you

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Speaker 1: can have at the Nancy and David Woolf Holocaust and

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Speaker 1: Humanity Center. You got this, I mean, this is this

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Speaker 1: is truly amazing. Just give me an example what my

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Speaker 1: listeners can do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So you can come to HHC anytime. We'll be there.

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Speaker 2: You know, this special exhibition is there through through April,

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Speaker 2: but we'll be there all we will be there and

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Speaker 2: we will be there, So come down and visit, and

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Speaker 2: you can come and have a conversation in real time

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Speaker 2: with a survivor. You can ask any question and get

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Speaker 2: an answer. And basically you stand in front of a

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Speaker 2: life size video monitor like a screen, a television screen

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Speaker 2: recording of a survivor. And we actually have two local

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Speaker 2: survivors whose testimony we've recorded in this format now and

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Speaker 2: you can ask ask any question and you'll see sort

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Speaker 2: of the video index for a minute, and you'll get

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Speaker 2: a response, and the response is remarkably relevant to the

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Speaker 2: question you asked for this all being real, you mentioned Ai,

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Speaker 2: the video itself is not fake. The video is absolutely real.

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Speaker 2: Interviews with these people where we sat down with them

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Speaker 2: for a week. We asked every single question we could

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Speaker 2: ever imagine in every single iteration we could imagine someone

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Speaker 2: asking the question, and then it's all sort of indexed

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Speaker 2: and edited, and now you can go in and you

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Speaker 2: can you know, you can ask any question and receive

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Speaker 2: an answer about the war or about their life in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Well, okay, that was I was going to gravit you

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Speaker 1: toward that. So a logical question for me will be like,

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Speaker 1: tell me or explain a day in the life at Auschwitz,

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Speaker 1: like for a for a concentration camp prisoner, yep, yep,

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Speaker 1: And I would get an answer.

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Speaker 4: For that yep.

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Speaker 1: But I could also ask pivoting over to the Cincinnati part,

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Speaker 1: you know, are you or are you a Cincinnati Reds fan?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally, And they'll talk about the Reds. You can ask,

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Speaker 2: you know, Al Miller, who's the survivor who's in our

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Speaker 2: featured in our di t gallery right dimensions and testament

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Speaker 2: and gallery right now, I can ask him what his

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Speaker 2: favorite flavor of Greater's ice cream is I'll tell you, well, okay.

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Speaker 1: Let me test the boundaries of this. If I said

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Speaker 1: what I just want to know? Of course, you know

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Speaker 1: you got to be thinking about all kinds of questions

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Speaker 1: I could ask. But if I was being foolish, could

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Speaker 1: I ask him what's better Skyline or gold Star?

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Speaker 2: So if I think he has a response for that,

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Speaker 2: and let me tell you, you think you can trick him.

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Speaker 2: There's no one who's going to try harder than a

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Speaker 2: group of ninth grade you know, high school also come through.

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Speaker 2: So we we have and he will say, in the case,

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Speaker 2: you know, we didn't ask him a question that has

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Speaker 2: some something to do with the you know, with the

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Speaker 2: with the question you're asking, he'll say, let's get back

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Speaker 2: to my story. Or he'll say, you know, well, actually

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Speaker 2: that's a question that they didn't I was I was

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Speaker 2: never asked before. Have any other questions?

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Speaker 4: Have I heard that? Rarely?

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Speaker 2: Have I heard that? Huh, Yeah, it's pretty amazing. There

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Speaker 2: is an AI algorithm that learns the more you ask

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Speaker 2: questions how to better source relevant answers. But the video,

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Speaker 2: it's really important that the video is not AI. The

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Speaker 2: video is real recorded interviews with the survivor.

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Speaker 1: You know what, I although I can envision a time

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Speaker 1: where you know, there's probably out in the artificial intelligence

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Speaker 1: gathering mode that's out there. Literally every source of information

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Speaker 1: that has been digitized is being looked at from artificial intelligence. Yep,

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Speaker 1: that you might have a real time, three dimensional hologram

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Speaker 1: of this guy and using every available ounce of information.

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Speaker 1: If you failed to answer him ask him a question

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Speaker 1: when he was alive, they could scour the globe of

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Speaker 1: information and come up with a response that he could

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Speaker 1: actually say to you. They would look like he was

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Speaker 1: answering that question. I he never answered that question for

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Speaker 1: him when was alive. But there's a little uh, there's

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Speaker 1: an article over here that talks about him that said,

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Speaker 1: you know what, in fact, he was a gold star.

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Speaker 2: Fan well, and that this is why I always correct

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Speaker 2: and people say the AI exhibit, because yes, there's an

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Speaker 2: AI component of how the algorithm source is the right

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Speaker 2: actual answers.

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Speaker 1: But it goes back really important.

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Speaker 2: It's really important that like there is no fabrication, there

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Speaker 2: is no random sourcing of what we think he might

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Speaker 2: have answered is a real answers from a real person.

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Speaker 1: And that's critical credibility. Going back to these idiots happened

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Speaker 1: right well, they made that up, clearly, they made everything.

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Speaker 2: Else up exactly.

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Speaker 1: Eight forty five one more segment with the Auschwitz Not

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Speaker 1: Long Ago, not far away, far Away museum along with

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Speaker 1: Elizabeth and Jackie. We'll be back right away, don't go

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Speaker 1: way fifty five KRC the talk station, Chris k the

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Speaker 1: talk station, eight fifty fifty five KRCD Talk Station. This

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Speaker 1: has been such a delightful conversation. Elizabeth Pearson Studio President,

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Speaker 1: CEO of the Insane Museum Center, and Jackie Kunjato. She

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Speaker 1: is the CEO of the Nancy and David Wolf Holocaust

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Speaker 1: and Humanity Center, which is and will continue to be

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Speaker 1: after the roving exhibit leaves at the Sinsinme Museum Center.

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Speaker 1: It's beautiful, beautiful space. The Holocausting Humanity Center is truly

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Speaker 1: an overall uplifting opportunity but fascinating in every right. But

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Speaker 1: now we've got this addition, a separate exhibit five hundred

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Speaker 1: international artifacts from Auschwitz at the museum center. Again, the

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Speaker 1: name of the exhibit is Auschwitz, Not Long Ago, not

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Speaker 1: far Away. It's there until the twelfth of April. Joel

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Speaker 1: put all this information up on the blog page fifty

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Speaker 1: five Caresee dot com, along with the links to the

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Speaker 1: Museum Center's website and the Holocausting Humanity Center's website. So

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Speaker 1: what else are we going to see here? So we've

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Speaker 1: talked about the exhibit, We've talked about some of the

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Speaker 1: reasons we need to see the exhibit. Those who are

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Speaker 1: not study the mistakes in the past are destined to

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Speaker 1: repeat them or end up in a state of denial

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Speaker 1: that they never even happen. You know, let's just end

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Speaker 1: that notion you don't believe it happened, show up, improve

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Speaker 1: it to yourself. But then also this idea that maybe

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Speaker 1: you can ground us a little bit and we can realize,

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Speaker 1: you know what, our lives aren't really as dang bad

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Speaker 1: as we perceive them to be. And I think that's

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Speaker 1: one of the best things we could probably do this

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Speaker 1: time of year, as we've fast approached the holidays.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's all about gratitude and perspective. Gratitude

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Speaker 2: and perspective. I tell myself that if my past one

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Speaker 2: thing on to my children, it is gratitude, empathy, and resilience.

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Speaker 2: Those are the three. And I think that this is

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Speaker 2: like the perfect laboratory for how to help young people,

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Speaker 2: but adults also get a healthy perspective and you know,

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Speaker 2: a sense of a sense of gratitude and honestly resilience. Resilience, well,

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Speaker 2: you know.

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Speaker 1: And this isn't an effort to go down a political road.

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Speaker 1: I don't know you're either of you ladies' political affiliation.

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Speaker 1: I really don't think it matters what I find impossible

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Speaker 1: to believe Republican Democrat, independent, socialist, communists, whatever. Then an

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Speaker 1: outright anti Semite, someone who has been critical of Jewish

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Speaker 1: people generally speaking, and has been involved with and a

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Speaker 1: member of organizations who river to the sea advocate for

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Speaker 1: the eradication of Israel generally speaking, and the Jewish people

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Speaker 1: a law. The final solution that the Nazis I mean

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Speaker 1: this is, these are people who've adopted a very Adolf

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Speaker 1: Hitler like approach in terms of their viewpoints of Jewish people.

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Speaker 1: They view them with disdain. So, yes, it could happen again,

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Speaker 1: is all. I can observe that there are people in

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Speaker 1: power who hold these viewpoints right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think the best thing we can do

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Speaker 2: to sort of inoculate ourselves in that way is to

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Speaker 2: understand what anti Semitism looks like how it shows up,

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Speaker 2: so that we can recognize it in our world, in ourselves, right,

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Speaker 2: you know, we don't have to be it's not a

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Speaker 2: point of shame, but it's it's a point of stereo.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's like any other stereotype. You just have

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Speaker 2: to be aware enough of what it looks like so

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Speaker 2: that when you see it creep up in a conversation

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Speaker 2: or in your own thoughts, you can identify that and say,

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Speaker 2: you know, that might seem harmless in the moment, but

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Speaker 2: that it's that kind of hatred and stereotype. And you know,

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Speaker 2: false information about a group of people that led to

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Speaker 2: this atrocity at scale. So you know it's I totally

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Speaker 2: agree with you, Brian. It's not a left or right issue.

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Speaker 2: It is an issue at the extremes. It's an issue.

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Speaker 2: It's an issue when people stop looking for complex solutions

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Speaker 2: to complex problems and they look for someone to blame.

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Speaker 2: They're looking for an easy scapegoat. Scientism has been that

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Speaker 2: you have a century.

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Speaker 3: So you have a survivor who has said the Holocaust

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Speaker 3: did not start with bullets.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it started with words.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and so understanding what that humanity looks like

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Speaker 3: and how far these choices are made every day is

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Speaker 3: so crucial, and it's it's kind of the whole point

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Speaker 3: of the exercise that we're in the middle of right now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think, I think the power in this history

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Speaker 2: is that we think about these massive atrocities or frankly

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Speaker 2: massive movements for progress and justice in our societies as big,

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Speaker 2: sweeping things that happen out there. The reality is that

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Speaker 2: the worst things we can think of that have happened

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Speaker 2: in human history, and the best things they happened one person,

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Speaker 2: one choice, one moment at a time. They were relatively

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Speaker 2: mundane people going about their mundane lives, making mundane choices.

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Speaker 2: So I mean, in my mind, we can see that

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Speaker 2: as really being or we can see that as as hopeful,

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Speaker 2: because we all have the Holocaust was not inevitable. It

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Speaker 2: wasn't inevitable. It happened because people made choices. And we

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Speaker 2: have the opportunity to choose, choose the good, to choose

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Speaker 2: to active in character, strength, to choose to see the

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Speaker 2: strengths and other people, to value difference. And you know,

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Speaker 2: that's up to us. What's the story they're going to

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Speaker 2: tell about us?

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Speaker 1: Brian amen to that. I cannot improve on those closing comments,

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Speaker 1: Jackie beautifully stated, and thank you very much for encouraging

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Speaker 1: my listening audience to head on out to the Nancy

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Speaker 1: and David Wolf Holocausting Humanity Center and Elizabeth Pierce, President

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Speaker 1: CEO of the Nash of the Sinseeme Museum Center. I'm

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Speaker 1: jealous of your employment venue, that's for sure, but I'll

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Speaker 1: be back real soon. I got it. Check this exhibit

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Speaker 1: out and maybe, just maybe we'll get this figured out

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Speaker 1: for a listener lunch. That would be really cool. So

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Speaker 1: I'll put my uh, I'll put Debbie howell Er on

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Speaker 1: that you'll be getting a call from her at some point,

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Speaker 1: so that to look forward to fifty five cares dot

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Speaker 1: com folks, if you didn't get a chance to listen

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