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Speaker 1: wigs seven hundred WLW. This is Sports Talk Shoeless. Joe

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Speaker 1: Waddell is Tonight's producer. We are going all the way

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Speaker 1: to nine thirty and that's when you see basketball takes

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Speaker 1: over these airwaves. Is the Bearcats get ready to battle

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Speaker 1: air Zona State at Desert Financial Arena in Tempe, tip

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Speaker 1: off ten o'clock. Well, it was a father's son and

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Speaker 1: family coaching affair today at Sintas Center on the campus

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Speaker 1: of Xavier University, and seventy three year old Rick Patino's

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Speaker 1: Saint John's Red Storm toppled forty three year old Richard

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Speaker 1: Patino's Xavier Musketeers eighty eight to eighty three in your typical, bruising,

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Speaker 1: hard fought, Big East battle. And Rick was all smiles

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Speaker 1: afterward because he earned his nine hundredth career coaching victory.

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Speaker 1: He breaks the tie with the late great Bobby Knight

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Speaker 1: at eight hundred and ninety nine victories and now stands

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Speaker 1: alone fourth all time and wins behind Mike Krzyzewski, Jim Beheim,

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Speaker 1: and Roy Williams. I don't like beating him, obviously, but

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Speaker 1: it's beating Xavier, Patino told TNT Andy Katz afterward, Richard

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Speaker 1: did a phenomenal job from where they were losing to

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Speaker 1: Santa Clara to now is one of the best coaching

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Speaker 1: jobs I've seen in basketball. I can't love him more

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Speaker 1: or be more proud of him. Wow, father son. It

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Speaker 1: was an emotional day to day. Xavier led forty nine

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Speaker 1: to thirty seven at halftime and built a sixteen point

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Speaker 1: lead at fifty five thirty nine at the seventeen oh

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Speaker 1: five mark of the second half, but Rick Patino credited

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Speaker 1: his players with making big plays down the stretch, and

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Speaker 1: no play was bigger than lefty Dylan Darling's three point

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Speaker 1: bomb twenty three feet away from the left side of

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Speaker 1: the key that gave Saint John's an eighty four to

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Speaker 1: eighty two lead with fifty three seconds to go. After

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Speaker 1: then made it eighty six to eighty two with fifteen

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Speaker 1: seconds remaining to seal it. Trey Carroll led Xavier with

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Speaker 1: a career high thirty one points, and you had to

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Speaker 1: notice in the handshake line afterwards, Rick Patino singled out

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Speaker 1: Trey Carrol to to praise him no doubt. Saint John's

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Speaker 1: improved to fifteen and five overall, eight and one in

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Speaker 1: three and nine in conference play, And when it ended,

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Speaker 1: Saint John's broke out the T shirts and blazoned with

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Speaker 1: nine hundred on the front. And Dad now owns a

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Speaker 1: four and one lifetime record against Sun, Rick said afterwards,

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Speaker 1: I have a great family, a great wife who keeps

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Speaker 1: me young. She's allowed me to coach twelve to thirteen

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Speaker 1: hours a day. Players get coaches wins, but there's nothing

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Speaker 1: sweeter than getting No. Nine hundred because of these guys,

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Speaker 1: Patino said. Andy Katz then asked him, Hey, what's left

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Speaker 1: to accomplish and Rick kind of deadpanned and said one thousand. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: as in one thousand victories. Well, let's hear what Xavier

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Speaker 1: coach Richard Patino told Joe Sunderman and Byron Larkin after

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Speaker 1: the game that you heard right here on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: We have the head coach with the Xavier Musketeers, Richard

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Speaker 2: Patino on the phone and Coach, you lost to a

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Speaker 2: very very good basketball team today in a hard flight

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Speaker 3: Your thoughts.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm proud of them.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm disappointed that we lost, but you know,

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Speaker 5: they're they're big, they're strong, they're physical, and you know,

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Speaker 5: they certainly took over like we were rebounding it. Then

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Speaker 5: we were in foul trouble with Joban and it became

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Speaker 5: difficult again. But my guys battled their butts off, and

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Speaker 5: you know, I'm really really proud of the effort.

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Speaker 6: Coach.

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Speaker 7: You talked about before the game that they have a

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Speaker 7: Is that what you saw in this game, because the

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Speaker 7: first half I thought you did. I since that during

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Speaker 5: I think that we started turning the ball over. We

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Speaker 5: when you do that, you either have to backcut or

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Speaker 5: be in the gaps, and we just wilted. You know,

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Speaker 5: they're long and they're athletic to Dylan Mitchell's great, but

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Speaker 5: we've got to be better of If they're going to

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Speaker 2: Coach Drake Carroll had two games prior to this twenty nine.

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Speaker 2: Twenty nine, the night he scores thirty one. He was

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's been really really good. He lost his footing

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Speaker 4: Going like that, it certainly is fun to see.

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Speaker 5: The turnovers were a problem, but he really willed us

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Speaker 3: With the good team like Saint John's.

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Speaker 7: And coach of Malik Messina. Moore definitely more impactful in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought he was terrific, you know.

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Speaker 3: Coach, thanks for joining us. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 6: Thank you, Thanks coach.

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Speaker 1: That's Joe Sunderman and Byron Larkin with Richard Patino after

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Speaker 1: the game and Xavier once again falling to eleven and

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Speaker 1: nine overall three and six in the Big East. And

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Speaker 1: I concur what his dad said about Richard. He is

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Speaker 1: doing one whale of a job for the Xavior Musketeers.

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Speaker 1: Nobody goes into Omaha, Nebraska and really beats Creighton. And yes, Ohio,

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Speaker 1: the Xavior Musketeers didn't beat Creighton, but man, they came

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Speaker 1: Creighton Blue Jays this week. So Richard patinoz to win

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Speaker 1: one whale of a job with a team that he

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Speaker 1: Malik Messino Moore had eighteen points for the Musketeers, Jovon

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Speaker 1: Melissavic with fourteen, Philip Borick Boravsian tough game, three for

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Speaker 1: for this game. Hey give us a call at five, one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 1: seven thousand, one eight hundred. The Big One would love

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Speaker 1: to get your take on everything that happened today. And

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Speaker 1: congratulations to too Holloway his jersey raised to the rafters

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Speaker 1: at the Sintas Center and a fantastic career that two

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Speaker 3: But we arrived early today to beat the snow.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna talk Bengals and Radts tonight, Championship Sunday tomorrow,

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Speaker 1: And I'll tell you right now, folks, I am picking

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Speaker 1: a Rams Patriots Super Bowl. I just can't get my

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Speaker 1: mind wrapped around a Sam Darnald versus Jared Stidham super Bowl.

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Speaker 1: Sam Darnald with Seattle and Jarrett Stidham taking over quarterback

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Speaker 1: for the Denver Broncos. The League, the Shield loves Matthew Stafford,

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Speaker 3: Left coast, right coast. That's what I.

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Speaker 1: See is the Super Bowl, and it could save the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl ratings if Stafford versus May in two weeks,

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Speaker 1: I just can't get my mind wrapped around a Sam

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Speaker 1: Darnold Jarott Stidham Super Bowl. And right now, the Patriots

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Speaker 1: are three and a half point favorites, and the over

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Speaker 1: under for the AFC Championship game is forty two and

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Speaker 1: a half points. In the NFC game that'll take place

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Speaker 1: at six point thirty tomorrow night, Seattle is a two

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Speaker 3: It is a phenomenal.

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Speaker 1: I just have a feeling that the Los Angeles Rams

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Speaker 1: and head coach Sean McVay will come out with a

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Speaker 1: game plan that chops down the mighty Seattle Seahawks. And

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Speaker 1: you do have to give it up to Sam Darnold.

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Speaker 1: Only quarterback in NFL history to win fourteen games in

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Speaker 1: Minnesota pushed all their chips to the center on JJ McCarthy.

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Speaker 1: aren't crying over getting rid of Sam Darnold, who surfaces

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Speaker 1: bottom of the hour, we're gonna welcome in Jeff Hobson

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Speaker 1: from Bengals dot Com and talk really all things Bengals here,

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Speaker 1: free agency, the draft, and a big what if. What

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Speaker 1: if the Bengals were hosting the AFC title game tomorrow

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Speaker 1: in this weather, the snow, the cold, it would definitely

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Speaker 1: bring back memories of the Freezer Bowl from nineteen eighty two.

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Speaker 1: But the Ravens have their coach and jesse Minter. Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: names their head coach today Mike McCarthy, former head coach

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Speaker 1: of the Green Bay Packers and Dallas Cowboys. And now

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Speaker 1: word is emerging that the Cleveland Browns have a top

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Speaker 1: candidate and he is the Los Angeles Rams passing game

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Speaker 1: coordinator Nate Shielhass top candidate for the job. Well, Cleveland

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Speaker 1: is big into analytics and what they put their perspective

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Speaker 1: head coaches through is absolutely mind boggling. That's why a

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Speaker 1: lot of coaches just took themselves out of the running.

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Speaker 1: The Browns give their perspective head coach a personality test.

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Speaker 1: They have to write an essay and they have to

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Speaker 1: complete homework assignments. Who has time when you're jetting across country,

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Speaker 1: interviewing in different at different places. But that's the Cleveland Browns.

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Speaker 1: Is their hope for them?

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Oh, but the Ravens have their head coach and Jesse Minner.

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh has only their fourth head coach since nineteen sixty nine. Incredible,

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Speaker 1: from Chuck Noll to Bill Cower, to Mike Tomlin and

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Speaker 1: now to Mike McCarthy an outsider.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: But Aaron Rodgers, Pittsburgh's quarterback this year, played for McCarthy

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Speaker 1: who can convince Aaron Rodgers to come back and play

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Speaker 1: this year. Can't wait to find all that out. But

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Speaker 1: right now, when you look at this AFC North Division,

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Speaker 1: who is in better position to take control of this

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Speaker 1: It's going to be a challenging drive home back to

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Speaker 3: This is the Chickster chick Ludwig.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to sports talk on the Big One seven

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Speaker 1: hundred WLW seven thirty seven in the Queens City of Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: Chick Ludwig seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 3: This is Sports Talk.

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Speaker 1: The NFL season is three sixty five, twenty four to seven,

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Speaker 1: and it's always fun to talk to our next guest,

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Speaker 1: Senior writer Bengals dot Com, Jeff Hobson and Jeff Tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: The single greatest day I believe in the NFL season

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Speaker 1: two for the price of one, Championship Sunday. I know

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Speaker 1: you're looking forward to it as as all the fans are.

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Speaker 4: No question about it.

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Speaker 4: I hoping everybody's safe out there and warm. I there's

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Speaker 4: nothing like championships Sunday because at least one of them

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Speaker 3: That's exactly right, man. And Jeff.

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Speaker 3: Is there a team that's in better.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for pointing out the story. Chick I wrote

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Speaker 4: I mean that's weird, it really is, you know, I mean,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Jeff. The Bengals have really over a dozen

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Speaker 4: He played really well? Did he priced himself out? You know,

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Speaker 4: You know, I I as a kind of he's a

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Speaker 4: I think if we had said that going into that

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Speaker 4: game in the finale, well, Garrett's gonna get one sack,

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Speaker 4: but you probably would have been happy with that.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and they they stopped the clock in his honor.

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Speaker 4: How about that that did not That did not go

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Speaker 4: over well. Uh, that did not go over well with

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Speaker 4: Zach Taylor. It didn't go over well with Jamatt Chase.

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Speaker 4: So uh, you know, hey, every little bit helps when

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Speaker 4: you get right, you know, to play next year. I'm

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Speaker 4: sure they'll have that, uh uh, not in the back

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Speaker 4: of their mind, maybe maybe at the front of it.

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Speaker 4: But I thought that, you know that that that game

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Speaker 4: was obviously and it was, It's been written and said

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Speaker 4: a hundred times, but that game was a microcosm of

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Speaker 4: their seasons. You know, and that's what's what you watched,

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Speaker 4: you know. I mean it seems like it was eighty

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Speaker 4: years ago. It was it was this month. It was

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Speaker 4: this month that you know, there was all Man on

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Speaker 4: the table, you know, I mean, uh, the two the

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Speaker 4: two defensive you know, the two touchdowns they gave up

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Speaker 4: on offense. Uh, and you know he just can't. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna think they had nine of those this year.

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Speaker 4: You know, you take these, you know, you just can't

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Speaker 4: do it. And you know, if you if you're if

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Speaker 4: you have a usual year of that, maybe one, two three,

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Speaker 4: Just as the.

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Speaker 1: Season to have Shador Sanders beat the Bengals and Joe

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Speaker 1: burrow Man, that hurt. But I'm trying to look at

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Speaker 1: the positive side. Bengals are tenth drafting tenth, so they're

463
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Speaker 1: going to get some good players. But yeah, it's it's

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Speaker 1: time to say goodbye to me, to to Trey Hendrickson

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Speaker 1: and h who knows what's gonna happen with Cam Taylor Britton,

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Speaker 1: Geno Stone and Noah Fant and and even Jake Browning,

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Speaker 1: Cordell Vohlson's there, Lucas Patrick, you know so uh and

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Speaker 1: you mentioned Cam sample so find out out who's helping

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Speaker 1: you win and keep them. As Sam's Weiss would say,

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Speaker 1: find out who's helping you lose and say goodbye.

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Speaker 4: Well, I you know, I think all those you know,

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Speaker 4: I mean it's uh, you know, it's a tough uh.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's not too I mean I think it's

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Speaker 4: probably pretty clear cut how they're gonna move, you know,

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Speaker 4: because I think the focus is clearly I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 4: I mean they gotta you know, they'd love to sign Riser, right,

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Speaker 4: but this whole thing is gonna be a I mean,

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Speaker 4: this whole thing is gonna be a uh just a

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Speaker 4: surgery on the defense. Yeah, you know, I think, uh,

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Speaker 4: you know, they're looking to uh obviously upgraded safety. You know,

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Speaker 4: they probably you know, they really get too solids starting

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Speaker 4: outside corners in Dax Hill and DJ Turner the second. Now,

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Speaker 4: what do they do? It's gonna be interesting to me.

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Speaker 4: The big question is what do they do with the nickel?

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Speaker 4: You know, they love to reside Jalen Davis. I don't

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Speaker 4: you know, I don't think they see him as a

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Speaker 4: is really a full time start. He's clearly a valuable

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Speaker 4: player that you know, they you know that you can

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Speaker 4: use uh often, but uh see what they could do,

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Speaker 4: and uh see what you can do in in the

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Speaker 4: in the nickel and uh get some you know, is

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Speaker 4: that is that a pick? I don't know. I love

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Speaker 4: the kid from the little guy from uh from Indiana

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Speaker 4: looked like he was Mike Hilton out there, the little

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Speaker 4: cornerback out there.

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Speaker 6: Yes, but I'd love.

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Speaker 4: To see it, you know, I love to see a

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Speaker 4: guy like that in there. But I mean, like I said,

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Speaker 4: I think we're gonna see there's gonna be I think

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Speaker 4: there's gonna be a lot of a lot of different

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Speaker 4: names on that side of the ball.

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Speaker 3: Agreed.

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Speaker 1: And when I see a mock draft that has a

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Speaker 1: corner going in the first round, I'm there. I don't

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Speaker 1: think so. Because you need instant pressure on the quarterback,

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Speaker 1: it's got to come up front, well, no doubt.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, certainly. Yet you know, certainly not the guy from

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Speaker 4: Tennessee who was like, who's you know from what I read,

509
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Speaker 4: is a very good player. But they're not gonna grab

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Speaker 4: a guy coming off in a c L. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 4: so I you know that McCoy, I think, but you know,

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Speaker 4: I yeah, I mean, I think, you know. And also

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Speaker 4: I think there's a belief in that building that the

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Speaker 4: higher the pick, the bigger the guy is going to be.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's gotta be it's got to be an

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Speaker 4: offensive or defensive lineman. Yes, And so I would I

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Speaker 4: would think, you know, there's gonna syst through the thing.

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Speaker 4: You see what's there. And you know, I mean at ten,

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Speaker 4: that's not a bad spot. You know, it's probably not

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Speaker 4: a bad spot to get out two at ten if

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Speaker 4: you wanted to trade down. I mean, that's you know,

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Speaker 4: I think that's a pretty good you know, it's hard

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Speaker 4: to trade down from seventeen and eighteen. It's a little

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Speaker 4: bit easier to trade down from ten.

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Speaker 1: Yes, one offensive lineman and the rest defense.

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Speaker 6: Cheff.

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Speaker 1: That's that's how I look at it. Man, Hey, we've

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Speaker 1: got to run. Hey, really appreciate you taking time out

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Speaker 1: for us.

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Speaker 4: Tonight, Dick, Frank very much. The doll says, says goodbye,

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Speaker 4: says goodbye.

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Speaker 3: And her lull is fantastic.

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Speaker 6: The doll see. We hope this.

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Speaker 4: Hope everybody stay safe and warm.

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Speaker 1: Right back at you, Jeff and all the best of

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Speaker 1: you and yours. Thank you, Thanks j take care all right, Hey,

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Speaker 1: this is sports talk. When we come back, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: shift a little bit and talk some Red's baseball with

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Speaker 1: the Hall of Famer Hal McCoy. When we return, this

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Speaker 1: is the Chickster Chick Ludwig Sports Talk seven hundred w

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Speaker 1: l W.

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Speaker 3: Eight O nine in.

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Speaker 1: The Queens City of Cincinnati. Chick Ludwig, seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 3: This is the sports Talk.

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Speaker 1: We're going all the way to nine thirty tonight, and

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Speaker 1: that's when you see basketball takes over these airwaves. Joe

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Speaker 1: wad Dale is tonight's producer and our next guest. I

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Speaker 1: had the honor, pleasure and privilege of working with him

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Speaker 1: for thirty years at the Dayton Daily News. And take

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Speaker 1: it from Hal McCoy. He doesn't care if the wind

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Speaker 1: chill factor is minus ten outside. He's singing along with

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Speaker 1: Terry Cashman talking baseball. Willie Mickey and the Duke say, hey,

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Speaker 1: how are you how?

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Speaker 10: I'm doing great, Chick, I'm staying warm, but I'm thinking baseball.

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Speaker 6: Amen.

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Speaker 3: And we're in that.

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Speaker 1: You know, once the Gosh Championship Sunday tomorrow and then

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl, then we get into that area, the

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Speaker 1: gap that college basketball has to fill leading up to baseball.

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Speaker 1: Baseball can't get here soon enough, eh, You.

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Speaker 10: Got that right. I'm counting the days till spring training.

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Speaker 10: I think it's down to about twenty.

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Speaker 1: Days, yes, sir, And I think pitchers and catchers for

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Speaker 1: the Reds report what on the ninth and then the

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Speaker 1: full squad workouts.

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Speaker 3: We just can't wait. And how I think you'll agree

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Speaker 3: with me.

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Speaker 1: Rule number one in baseball you can never have enough pitching,

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Speaker 1: and the Reds got plenty of it.

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Speaker 3: But do they have enough bats?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's the way the game has always been. You

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Speaker 10: never have enough pitching, and the Reds have certainly stocks up.

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Speaker 10: I like what they've done. You know, the starting location

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Speaker 10: is great, there's no problem there. The bullpen was a

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Speaker 10: little bit of a problem last year, and the Reds

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Speaker 10: have gone out and they loaded up on relief pitchers

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Speaker 10: enough to fill the Reds roster and Louisville and Chattanooga too.

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Speaker 10: But I really like the addition of the Pierce Hnsen

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Speaker 10: and the Blake Burke, that's Rock Burke. Those are two

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Speaker 10: guys that I think are going to really help that bullpen.

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Speaker 10: But as you said, how are they going to score

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Speaker 10: the runs? They haven't done anything to bring some power

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Speaker 10: into that lineup. I don't think JJ Bodet is the answer.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 1: And when you look at the starting rotation with the

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Speaker 1: Hunter Green, Nicolodolo, Andrew Abbott, Brady Singer, I'm eager to

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Speaker 1: see who that fifth guy is going to be. And

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Speaker 1: maybe it's Brandon Williamson or gosh, Wullie and Aggie are

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Speaker 1: somebody else. But you're right, Rave Lutter yes, Rhet Louder Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And Chase burn Have.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Chase Burns, yep, yep, they have a whole bunch.

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Speaker 10: The Louisville rotation is going to be pretty strong whoever

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Speaker 10: doesn't make it. But yeah, you're absolutely right. That first

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Speaker 10: four is awesome and the number five guy could be

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Speaker 10: very good too.

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Speaker 1: And how looking at Hunter Green, we can talk position

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Speaker 1: players all we want, he's still, to me, the most

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Speaker 1: critical part of this team. He missed two months last

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Speaker 1: year in this team reached the playoffs.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 10: You just think what they might have been able to

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Speaker 10: do if he'd have been there the entire season. That's

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Speaker 10: that's the only problem with I'm sure he's a great competitor,

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Speaker 10: has that great fastball, but he can't stay healthy and

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Speaker 10: that is a very big key. You know, as we

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Speaker 10: talked about, we have guys that can step in if

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Speaker 10: he's not there, but they're not under Green.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you went seven and four last year with a

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Speaker 1: two point seven six ERA, but nineteen starts that's a

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Speaker 1: career low and a career low one and seven and

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Speaker 1: two thirds innings pitch, So those numbers got to get

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Speaker 1: beefed up.

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Speaker 10: And another thing, getting thirty starts, that's why the getting

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Speaker 10: thirty starts?

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Speaker 3: Oh would that be sweet? Eleven more? Oh?

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Speaker 1: And another thing fans have to real how the top

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Speaker 1: three batting averages. I know, you know, people kind of

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Speaker 1: downplay the meaning of batting averages, but nevertheless, Midell and

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Speaker 1: Duhar three point fifty nine, Austin Hayes to sixty six,

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Speaker 1: Gavin Lux to sixty nine, the top three batting averages

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Speaker 1: are no longer on this team.

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Speaker 10: So yeah, that says a lot about that offense. You know,

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Speaker 10: it's going to depend They haven't done anything to bolster

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Speaker 10: that offense, so it's going to come down to a

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Speaker 10: whole bunch of young players. It's going to be a

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Speaker 10: very young team on the field and they're going to

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Speaker 10: have to come through. Hopefully Matt McClain can bounce back.

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Speaker 10: To me, he's probably the biggest question mark and the

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Speaker 10: most important guy to get back on track. He can

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Speaker 10: get back to where he was two years ago. That'll

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Speaker 10: be awesome, no doubt. And I know I'm excited about

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Speaker 10: Sal Stewart. He comes in what he shed what twenty pounds,

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Speaker 10: and he's out to prove that he belongs. Loved what

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Speaker 10: I saw of him in September, and I hope they

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Speaker 10: started him at first base and leave him there. You know,

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Speaker 10: as I said, it's going to be a young team

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Speaker 10: with Elliott shortstop and McQueen at second, and Stewart at first.

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Speaker 6: And Marte and.

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Speaker 10: Right, and Styles Stewart and the center or TJ left

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Speaker 10: and TJ Friedo and center. Very young team. You know,

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Speaker 10: they all have to have good seasons, better seasons than

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Speaker 10: last year. And in the division they're in, they can

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Speaker 10: absolutely compete. Other than the Chicago Cubs. I think the

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Speaker 10: Reds can easily thiny second.

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Speaker 1: And you like Spencer Steer possibly here in the left

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Speaker 1: feod yes, right, correct, Well, you look at these outfielders,

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Speaker 1: how will Benson, JJ Blodet, Tyler Callahan, Blake, Dunn, Goshrhees, Hines,

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Speaker 1: Dame Myers, And how about the emergence.

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Speaker 3: Possibly. I can't wait for Hector Rodriguez.

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Speaker 10: Yes, he said, very very talented young kid, and all

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Speaker 10: those names you mentioned, any one of them could step

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Speaker 10: in at left field. You know, if things don't work

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Speaker 10: out for Steer, if he doesn't bounce back from all

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Speaker 10: the injuries he's had. It's been a tough go for

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Speaker 10: him with injuries. But you know, he tried to play

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Speaker 10: through him, just like La de la Cruz tried to

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Speaker 10: play through him. Probably neither one should have been playing

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Speaker 10: at the end of last year to give him a

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Speaker 10: chance to get healthy. But I know they were gamers.

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Speaker 10: They wanted to play, and they were in there and

661
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Speaker 10: they suffered with their offensive statistics because of that.

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Speaker 1: Every time I see the name Dane, I think of

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Speaker 1: the Thornbirds. That was the illegitimate son of the bishop

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Speaker 1: and his lover in the Thornbirds. So that's just an

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Speaker 1: aside there. Yeah, But how what's the deal with Tito?

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Speaker 1: And I mean, shouldn't this team, with its speed steal

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Speaker 1: more bases.

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Speaker 10: I was going to bring that up two years ago.

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Speaker 10: You know, they were running all the time and with

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Speaker 10: the new rules, the bigger bases picture only being able

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Speaker 10: to throw over twice, and if he doesn't get him

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Speaker 10: the third time the guy gets second base, they should

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Speaker 10: be running at all time. They don't have the sticks

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Speaker 10: to hit the power to hit the home runs. And

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Speaker 10: yet last year Tito backed them off and they ran

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Speaker 10: a whole lot less. The percentage was about the same,

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Speaker 10: but he did not have them running, And it does

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Speaker 10: not make sense to me. You've got to manufacture runs

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Speaker 10: if you're not going to get home runs.

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Speaker 1: And we all expect Elie de la Cruz to just

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Speaker 1: really take another step.

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Speaker 3: One of the most exciting players in this game.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no doubt about that.

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Speaker 10: Hopefully he's he's healthy, because there isn't anything that he

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Speaker 10: can't do on a baseball field, and he can do

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Speaker 10: a lot of things no other person can do.

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Speaker 1: And just the year that Tito Francona had with this

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Speaker 1: club last year, do you think he's just more say comfortable,

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Speaker 1: how with the personnel and man to get him to

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Speaker 1: the playoffs has to mean something. Last year, even though

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Speaker 1: the Reds you know, turned it on late and took

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Speaker 1: advantage of the Mets collapse.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully they can get back and in a better.

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Speaker 10: Sense in fact getting Yeah, the fact that they got

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Speaker 10: a taste of it and know what it's like. You know,

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Speaker 10: should give them some incentive. And you're right about Tito.

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Speaker 10: He probably has to spend a year really getting to

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Speaker 10: know all of his players and what they can do

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Speaker 10: and what they can't do, and what he can expect

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Speaker 10: of them. You know, there's no doubt Tito is a

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Speaker 10: great manager, a great baseball guy. Knows how to handle people,

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Speaker 10: knows the game, knows how to run a game. There's

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Speaker 10: no reason why, you know, they can't get better this year.

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Speaker 10: And I really do expect him to be better.

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Speaker 1: And how I like looking back in Red's history and

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Speaker 1: tomorrow is January twenty fifth, And on January twenty fifth,

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty one, the Reds traded Joe Nuxall to the

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Speaker 1: Kansas City Athletics for pitchers Johnny Sataurus and Johnny Briggs.

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Speaker 1: And he lasted one year with Casey. He signed with Baltimore,

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Speaker 1: but then the Angels grabbed him and then he came

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Speaker 1: back to Cincinnati and had a phenomenal what four years

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Speaker 1: coming back to the Reds.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, that was amazing. It was too bad that

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Speaker 10: they traded him in the first place, because you know,

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Speaker 10: Joe knux saw the Cincinnati baseball and he certainly proved

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Speaker 10: that when he came back, had a good finish, and

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Speaker 10: then it went into the radio booth and became a

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Speaker 10: legend and a beloved guy in the Cincinnati area.

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Speaker 1: And how love reading your unsolicited comments from the man

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Speaker 1: cave that you write on Facebook.

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Speaker 3: Just phenomenal stuff.

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Speaker 1: And before I let you go, how can you tell

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Speaker 1: the story of how the hit King Pete Rose got

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Speaker 1: his nickname Charlie Hossel.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, we've heard many, many versions of that, but I

726
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Speaker 10: got it from the horse's mouth, so to speak. Said

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Speaker 10: he was sitting on the bench in nineteen sixty three.

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Speaker 10: He was not on the roster and had a runner

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Speaker 10: on first base, and manager Fred Hudginson says, hey, kid,

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Speaker 10: venture on get in there. So Pete went into first base,

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Speaker 10: pop fly down the left field line, He tagged up

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Speaker 10: at first, went to second, shadow base hit, he went

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Speaker 10: to third. There was a pop fly to the shortstop

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Speaker 10: and the shortstop was backpedaling, and Pete said, there's not

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Speaker 10: a player that can back paddle that I won't run on.

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Speaker 10: So he had tagged up, ran home, slid home head first,

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Speaker 10: won the game three to two. He was start of

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Speaker 10: the game, and the writers were interviewing after the game

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Speaker 10: and it said that's Whitey Ford and Mickey Mantle had

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Speaker 10: commented to them, did you see that Charlie Hussell kid

741
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Speaker 10: scored from third base? And the next day's newspaper headlines

742
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Speaker 10: was Charlie Hussell beats the Yankees and the name stuck

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Speaker 10: and forever more he was known as Charlie Hussell and

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Speaker 10: rightly so.

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Speaker 3: Yes, as you point out, no one deserved it more.

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Speaker 1: Man, that's just fantastic, And how man you keep writing.

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Speaker 1: It's just your passion, especially baseball, and love all the

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Speaker 1: quotes that you know you have there from a different players,

749
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 1: crazy stuff that happens in this game. Whenever you go

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Speaker 1: to the ballpark, you're going to see something you've never

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Speaker 1: seen before and for the first time.

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Speaker 6: That's amazing.

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Speaker 10: I've covered the game for more than a half a century,

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Speaker 10: and every week something happens in baseball that I have

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Speaker 10: never seen before. It's just amazing. And as you said, Chick,

756
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Speaker 10: I'm eighty five years old. I don't need it, but

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Speaker 10: it is my passion. I have to write every day

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Speaker 10: and people ask me how long I'm going to do it?

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Speaker 10: Then I always tell him, I'm going to do it

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Speaker 10: until my head hits the laptop.

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Speaker 1: Yes, sir, and you have you have two baseballs. And

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Speaker 1: that's a great story too, that at one time in

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Speaker 1: the Major leagues fans had to throw balls back onto

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Speaker 1: the field. Yes, give them, give them.

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Speaker 10: Up until yeah, until nineteen twenty three they had to

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Speaker 10: toss the balls back. And in nineteen twenty three, at

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Speaker 10: a Philadelphia Phillies game, a young kid kept the ball

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Speaker 10: and he wouldn't give it back, so the Phillies had

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Speaker 10: him arrested and it took him. They took him to

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Speaker 10: jail and put him in jail, and he appeared in

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Speaker 10: front of a judge and the judge was very angry

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Speaker 10: and said, kid, I would have done the same thing

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Speaker 10: and released him. And it embarrassed at Philly so bad,

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Speaker 10: and got the bad publicity that all all over the country,

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Speaker 10: every major league team started permitting fans.

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Speaker 3: To keep a ball.

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Speaker 6: And you're right.

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Speaker 10: I have two baseballs that have been fouled into the

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Speaker 10: press box and one of them was hit by Derek

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Speaker 10: Jeter in the nineteen ninety six World Series, and I

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Speaker 10: still have the ball, and I wish I'd have had

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Speaker 10: him sign it. But as a member of the media,

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Speaker 10: you're not permitted to get autographed. So I have the ball,

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Speaker 10: but if I ever run into him, I'm going to

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Speaker 10: try to get him to sign it.

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Speaker 1: Fantastic, Hal, Wow, great stuff as always, Man, appreciate it.

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00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:45,880
Speaker 1: Hunkered down and enjoy championship Sunday. And it looks like

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00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 1: your Cleveland Browns are close to signing a brand new

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Speaker 1: head coach.

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Speaker 10: Well, it's about time everybody else has signed their head coach.

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Speaker 6: So we'll see what the Brownies do.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, after they give him a personality test, make them

793
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Speaker 1: write an essay and complete homework questions a homework assignment?

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Speaker 3: Is that incredible?

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Speaker 6: Back in high school? Yes, back in high school?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: All right, all right, Hal, thank you so much. Man,

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Speaker 1: appreciate you.

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Speaker 6: Thanks chick okay for having me on. I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: But all the best, all the best of you, and Nadine,

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00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 3: thank you, Thank you, sir.

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Speaker 6: All right.

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Speaker 1: That is Hall of Fame baseball writer Hal McCoy. I

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Speaker 1: had the pleasure of working with hol and helping him

805
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: cover some games and be his backup for thirty years

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Speaker 1: at the Dayton Daily News from nineteen ninety seven.

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Speaker 3: Through two thousand and nine. Awesome, appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: This is Sports Talk with your host Chick Ludwig till

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Speaker 1: nine thirty tonight on seven hundred WLW, eight.

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Speaker 3: Thirty eight in the Queen City of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: Chick Ludwig, seven hundred WLW, this is Sports Talk. We're

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Speaker 1: going all the way to nine thirty tonight, and that's

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Speaker 1: when you see basketball takes over these airwaves with Dan

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00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 1: Horde and Terry Nelson. When you see faces Arizona State

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Speaker 1: at Desert Financial Arena in Tempe, Arizona.

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Speaker 3: And want to thank my guests.

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Speaker 1: At seven thirty five tonight, that was Jeff Butch Hobson,

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Speaker 1: senior writer for Bengals dot Com, talking all things Bengals,

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Speaker 1: and then Hal McCoy, Hall of Fame baseball rider at

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Speaker 1: the Dayton Daily News. I worked with Hal for thirty

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Speaker 1: years and how's eighty five and just does a phenomenal job.

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Speaker 3: I get ready to turn seventy two in July.

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Speaker 1: And I get a little fuzzy too, like my years

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Speaker 1: at the Dayton Daily News from nineteen seventy nine through

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Speaker 1: two thousand and nine. So hey, if you missed the

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Speaker 1: top of the show, we talked about the father, son

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Speaker 1: and family affair at the Sintas Center at Xavier University

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Speaker 1: today with Rick Pattino, age seventy three, head coach of

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Speaker 1: the Saint John Red Storm, knocking off his son, forty

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Speaker 1: three year old Richard Patino and the Xavier Musketeers with

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Speaker 1: the Saint John's Red Storm winning eighty eight to eighty

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Speaker 1: three in your typical hard fought Big East battle, and

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Speaker 1: Rick earns his nine hundredth career victory, and he breaks

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Speaker 1: the tie with the late great Bobby Knight at eight

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Speaker 1: ninety nine. And now Rick Patino stands alone in fourth

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Speaker 1: place all time and wins behind Mike Krzyzewski, Jim Beheim,

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Speaker 1: and Roy Williams. And if you want those numbers, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna lay them on you here. Mike Krzyzewski Duke and

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Speaker 1: Army one thousand, two hundred and two victories, Jim Beheim

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Speaker 1: at Syracuse one thousand, one hundred and sixteen wins, Roy

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Speaker 1: Williams Kansas, and North Caro with nine hundred and three wins.

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Speaker 1: So you know Patina's going to catch and surpass him

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Speaker 1: to get into third place. And then Rick with nine hundred,

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Speaker 1: Bob Knight has eight ninety nine. He's in fifth place

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Speaker 1: and former UC coach Bob Huggins tenth place overall with

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Speaker 1: eight hundred and sixty three wins. And you heard the

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Speaker 1: news with Wright State knocking off Northern Kentucky today at

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Speaker 1: the Irvin J. Nutter Center on the campus of Wright

849
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Speaker 1: State University eighty eight to eighty. Wright State improves to

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Speaker 1: thirteen and eight overall, eight and two in the Horizon League.

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Speaker 1: NKU fourteen and eight, six and five in the Horizon League.

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Speaker 1: And we all have great respect for NKU head coach

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Speaker 1: Darren Horn, but I got to give some love to

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Speaker 1: Wright State's second year head coach Clint Sargent. He's doing

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Speaker 1: one heck of a job and his associate head coach,

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Speaker 1: but you remember this name, Travis Trice who played at

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Speaker 1: Purdue and at Butler. He's the associate head coach. So

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Speaker 1: they're doing a fantastic job at Wright State University, a

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Speaker 1: team that I covered for ten years at the Dayton

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Speaker 1: Daily News before I got the NFL and Bengals beat.

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Speaker 1: So we are wide open this half hour. If you

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Speaker 1: want to check in on the Bengals or the Reds,

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Speaker 1: please do and we can talk all the position players

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Speaker 1: we want with the Reds, including Matt McClain. Critical year

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Speaker 1: for Matt, a watershed year for him. He's got to

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Speaker 1: bounce back from that two to twenty batting average last year.

867
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 1: But the most important player on the Reds without a doubt,

868
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: starting pitcher and the race, Hunter Green seven and four

869
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:54,720
Speaker 1: last year with a two point seven to six ERA

870
00:51:55,600 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 1: nineteen starts because he missed two months months with that

871
00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:05,839
Speaker 1: groin injury. Nineteen starts and he was limited to one

872
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: hundred and seven and two thirds innings pitched. And like

873
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: I mentioned, yeah, the Reds cut fire late, took advantage

874
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,080
Speaker 1: of the New York Mets collapse. They reached the playoffs

875
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:22,840
Speaker 1: and they get beat by the Los Angeles Dodgers in

876
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:28,359
Speaker 1: the first round of the wild Card. And who will

877
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 1: be the fifth starter for the Reds in the starting

878
00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: pitching rotation, Hunter Green, Nicko Lodolo, Andrew Abbott, Brady Singer

879
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,680
Speaker 1: And could it be a Reht Louder, could it be

880
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:46,840
Speaker 1: Chase Burns or could Brandon Williamson emerge from all of

881
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,720
Speaker 1: his injuries. He's healthy now. Eager to see what Brandon

882
00:52:50,760 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 1: Williamson can do. But keep in mind Reds fans, the

883
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,760
Speaker 1: top three batting averages from last year are no longer

884
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 1: here Biggie and Duhar at three point fifty nine, Gavin

885
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,919
Speaker 1: Lux at two sixty nine, and Austin Hayes at two

886
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: sixty six. How are they going to get replaced? Their

887
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 1: Reds are counting on their young players to improve, and

888
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: just a whole host of candidates out in left field

889
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 1: because TJ. Friedl is going to be in center in

890
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 1: nouelve Marte and Wright, And let's go out to the

891
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 1: phones right now and welcome in our good friend Kevin

892
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: in Columbus, like Kevin.

893
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:35,040
Speaker 11: Yeah, hey, all right, it seems like we're just sitting

894
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 11: around crossing our fingers hoping everyone plays better. But uh,

895
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 11: I may have mentioned this before, but one of those

896
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 11: starters would.

897
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 6: They be willing to give up for the rumor the

898
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 6: rumor was Brady center team.

899
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 1: The rumor was Brady Sayer that they could have possibly

900
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 1: dealt him.

901
00:53:57,080 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 3: But no, they are.

902
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:01,919
Speaker 11: Stockpilot desperate for Yeah, someone's desperate for pitching.

903
00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:06,000
Speaker 3: Right, Always some team out there, always for a.

904
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 11: Starter, and we seem to have a lot of pitching.

905
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,000
Speaker 11: And couldn't Ashcraft even be pressed back into starting if

906
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 11: you absolutely?

907
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 6: Sometimes?

908
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 11: Yeah, And uh I just hope they work it out.

909
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 11: I am looking forward to the season. I think Frank Kona,

910
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,240
Speaker 11: you know, I think you'll do better. Like you mentioned

911
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 11: you were talking to Hal McCoy, I think he had

912
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 11: to take a year to feel out his team.

913
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 6: Yeah, and get going.

914
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 11: Anyone that we weren't going to come in and take

915
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 11: him to the World Series, well that would have been nice,

916
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 11: but you know what I mean, right, It doesn't just

917
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 11: turn around in a year. You wouldn't expect that in

918
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:47,720
Speaker 11: football or basketball or anything. And so I'm still remaining

919
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 11: hopeful about the season. I just yeah, well you told

920
00:54:51,160 --> 00:54:52,600
Speaker 11: me what you think about Singer and that.

921
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 6: And with the.

922
00:54:53,120 --> 00:54:57,200
Speaker 11: Bengals, boy, I hope they could do something too. But uh,

923
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,640
Speaker 11: I'm still remain and hopeful about both of them in

924
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 11: that and everything. And it had great hearing you on

925
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 11: the air and talking about that and people getting people

926
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,239
Speaker 11: on know what they're talking.

927
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 3: About in that, you know, can't wait for baseball? Can't wait?

928
00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:12,719
Speaker 6: Yep, it ain't that long either.

929
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 11: I know it seems bad with it all freezing and everything,

930
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,960
Speaker 11: but before you know it, we'll be talking about opening

931
00:55:19,040 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 11: Day right absolutely.

932
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:23,760
Speaker 1: February nine, Pitchers and catchers report it's right around the corner.

933
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 3: Can't wait?

934
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 11: All right, now, are you gonna do extra innings this year?

935
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:30,080
Speaker 4: At least on the weekend?

936
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: I go month by month. When I get a schedule,

937
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: I certainly hope.

938
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 12: So yeah, you hope. So but all right, okay, great,

939
00:55:37,320 --> 00:55:41,680
Speaker 12: thanks so much. Yeah, that's all right, appreciate it, beautiful. Hey,

940
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,240
Speaker 12: let's go out to touchdown Tommy in Milford?

941
00:55:45,480 --> 00:55:46,640
Speaker 8: What do you say, chick, sir?

942
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: All right, Tommy Championship Sunday man fired up?

943
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,839
Speaker 8: Hey, yeah, I mean it's I'm kind of glad. It's

944
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:56,759
Speaker 8: you know, it's got some teams I'm interested in. I'm

945
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:58,920
Speaker 8: glad a couple other teams didn't make it, so, you know,

946
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 8: it's kind of a refreshing group. So well, we'll see

947
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:05,960
Speaker 8: what happens. You know, maybe maybe a little recharge will

948
00:56:06,040 --> 00:56:07,959
Speaker 8: restart in the NFL, doesn't hurt.

949
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,399
Speaker 1: I always tell myself, Tommy that the Pittsburgh Steelers only

950
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 1: played one more game than the Bengals.

951
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 6: There you go.

952
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, you know, McCarthy now being in Pittsburgh,

953
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 8: that's kind of odd man. You know, I I wasn't

954
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 8: a Tomblin fan just because you know, my only goal was,

955
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 8: you know, my two teams.

956
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 6: I pulled for was the Bengals. Whoever was playing Pittsburgh.

957
00:56:30,160 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 8: Yes, but what a class guy, you know, And uh,

958
00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 8: you know, hope he kind of lands on speed.

959
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 6: He'll be on TV somewhere.

960
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 8: But uh, you know, that's kind of a that's kind

961
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:43,880
Speaker 8: of a changing guard there. It seems a lot different

962
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,480
Speaker 8: than what I thought would be. I didn't like McCarthy

963
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 8: in Dallas and and uh, I hope he does the

964
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,320
Speaker 8: same thing in Pittsburgh beyond.

965
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: So when when Stephen A. Smith was railing on the Bengals,

966
00:56:55,160 --> 00:56:57,920
Speaker 1: I'm there. You ought to look at the Pittsburgh Steelers,

967
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,640
Speaker 1: even though they were winning and finished what ten and

968
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:04,360
Speaker 1: seven and won the division, Man, look at them and

969
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:09,280
Speaker 1: they're aging roster and their quarterback situation.

970
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 3: Uh, they're they're hurting, period.

971
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,799
Speaker 8: Absolutely. I mean it's you know, it kind of one

972
00:57:15,800 --> 00:57:16,920
Speaker 8: of the things that you know, I don't know if

973
00:57:16,920 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 8: it's a Cincinnati curse or what, but you know, the

974
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 8: Reds can't develop and draft players, and the Bengals they

975
00:57:22,360 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 8: have the same problem. I was reading something today, Hey,

976
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 8: they got these two new guys that are on the

977
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 8: scouting thing. They're gonna try some special kind of like

978
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 8: you know software, and you know, find guys that they

979
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:37,800
Speaker 8: hadn't found before. He've upped up freaking scouting. I mean,

980
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 8: let's you know, and this is kind of like, you know,

981
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,200
Speaker 8: you can't be magicians in this space, and you're not

982
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 8: gonna spend a ton of money, but the one thing

983
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 8: you can control is getting out there with enough people

984
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:52,040
Speaker 8: and find good players that essentially can play your system.

985
00:57:52,360 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 6: It tries me nuts.

986
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 4: Oh, you can't continue to trade.

987
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 8: You can't continue to pay for high priced guys coming in,

988
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:02,840
Speaker 8: you know, Geno Stone, et cetera, et cetera. You've got

989
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,080
Speaker 8: to develop man. I mean, look at the second and

990
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,680
Speaker 8: third round, even the first round picks. They should be

991
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:08,600
Speaker 8: impact players.

992
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: Absolutely not, and they're waiting two and three and four

993
00:58:11,880 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 1: years for them to.

994
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 8: Tolos develop you Miles Murphy, Yes, he may all of

995
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 8: a sudden, guess what's gonna happen. He'll probably find himself.

996
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,240
Speaker 8: Now when you have fair we're gonna pay him for

997
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 8: the fifth year. Somebody else's may get him on the

998
00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:26,960
Speaker 8: second contract. Want to continue, you know, Jackson Carmen, I

999
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,440
Speaker 8: can go through one after another after another.

1000
00:58:29,560 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 2: Man.

1001
00:58:30,640 --> 00:58:34,400
Speaker 8: You cannot miss, you know, on draft picks and you've

1002
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,960
Speaker 8: got to develop them. And I don't see that in

1003
00:58:37,040 --> 00:58:38,000
Speaker 8: either franchise.

1004
00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 6: I really don't.

1005
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 8: And that's the most frustrating thing because Cincinnati, the reds

1006
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 8: of the is probably bigger problem that the Bengals, because

1007
00:58:45,640 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 8: at least in the NFL, there's a salary cap. You know,

1008
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:51,440
Speaker 8: nobody else can overspend you. When you're playing against the Dodgers,

1009
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,960
Speaker 8: You're playing against the you know, the Yankees, the Mets, Chicago.

1010
00:58:55,160 --> 00:58:57,600
Speaker 8: You can't afford to play with those guys, you know.

1011
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 8: So you're gonna have to absolutely draft eight because you

1012
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:03,960
Speaker 8: can't pay for big free agents. It's not gonna happen.

1013
00:59:04,120 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, You're absolutely right. As far as tomorrow

1014
00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 1: is concerned. I said at the top of the show,

1015
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 1: I can't imagine a Super Bowl with Sam Darnold going

1016
00:59:13,720 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: against Jared Stidham. So I like, really, I like Matthew

1017
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: Stafford against Drake May. The Rams are going to find

1018
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 1: a way with Sean McVeagh find a way to beat Seattle.

1019
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: It won't shock me at all. I'm not a gambling man,

1020
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,560
Speaker 1: but I would pick the Los Angeles Rams. I really would.

1021
00:59:36,520 --> 00:59:38,680
Speaker 8: Dude, I don't either. I mean, I'm kind of in

1022
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:40,919
Speaker 8: a pool out at Lexodica. They listen to you guys

1023
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 8: all the time. They love you on the radio chicks.

1024
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 8: I have to put that plug in there because Lenz Crafters,

1025
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,560
Speaker 8: Lexotic out there and Mason and they're a big.

1026
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:48,040
Speaker 6: Fan of yours.

1027
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:49,240
Speaker 3: But I appreciate that.

1028
00:59:49,400 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, Yeah, And so I'm picking Seattle tomorrow because that

1029
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 8: defense is I mean, it will absolutely break your back.

1030
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 3: The dark a dark shot, it's.

1031
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 8: Like, and they keep coming. And I'm telling you, you know,

1032
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 8: some of these teams have done a great job at

1033
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 8: hiring coaches, and I think McDonald was an absolute steal

1034
01:00:10,440 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 8: and I'm a little nervous about mentor being being where

1035
01:00:13,360 --> 01:00:15,920
Speaker 8: he is. I think that's gonna be a big Bengal

1036
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:20,120
Speaker 8: problem too, you know, And because there are some coaches

1037
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:22,880
Speaker 8: that get it, and some coaches can really play defense.

1038
01:00:22,880 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 8: And when you've got a defense, it's just absolutely you know, backbreaking.

1039
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 8: All you have to do is have a mediocre Sam

1040
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 8: Darnold and you're gonna you're gonna freaking take it.

1041
01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 6: I mean, you're gonna score points.

1042
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: The Bengals have the opposite, a great offense, and this

1043
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: defense is going to get man blown up, overhauled, big time,

1044
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: big time, and it's got to start up front.

1045
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:47,600
Speaker 3: It's got to start up front.

1046
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,120
Speaker 8: And you know, everybody says, let's get reader back. I

1047
01:00:50,120 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 8: mean that may be a short term solution. I really

1048
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 8: I I have good feelings with with Golden. I mean

1049
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 8: he was helped. I think he was given a bad

1050
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,320
Speaker 8: set of cards. I mean he couldn't do much with

1051
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:02,800
Speaker 8: what he had. Hopefully has a bigger impact. And and

1052
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 8: I just think you've got to You've got to draft

1053
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 8: guys that play his system. I mean, you can have

1054
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 8: great athletes, but if you're playing a different system, you

1055
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:11,680
Speaker 8: don't get to see the great athlete when they're not

1056
01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 8: playing the system that that athlete can play in. So

1057
01:01:14,280 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 8: hopefully Golden has a piece in that. I think they'll

1058
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 8: draft heavy on deep ense. If not, you know, uh,

1059
01:01:20,160 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 8: they're gonna we're gonna have another year like what we'll

1060
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:23,400
Speaker 8: just have better.

1061
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 3: And I expected to And Tommy always a blast man.

1062
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 8: Appreciate you absolutely have say trip back back home to

1063
01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 8: date my friend.

1064
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:36,520
Speaker 3: All right, thanks so much, thank you? Hey is it Stanley?

1065
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:39,960
Speaker 4: Hello, Hey chick, I really.

1066
01:01:39,840 --> 01:01:43,200
Speaker 9: Enjoy here, really enjoyed listening to you. Then how you doing?

1067
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 3: Oh fantastic appreciate that.

1068
01:01:45,560 --> 01:01:51,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, hey, listen, you're from Dayton, from.

1069
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 3: Cincinnati, but I've lived in Dayton.

1070
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:57,000
Speaker 1: Uh my entire basically adult life here is in the media.

1071
01:01:58,720 --> 01:02:02,360
Speaker 9: Well, I grew up a pirate, so you know where

1072
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,360
Speaker 9: that's coming from. Anyway, what day story about the Reds.

1073
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:09,040
Speaker 9: I had a friend.

1074
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 6: I met a friend in seventy eight.

1075
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 9: His dad owned a golf course, Holly Hills in Waynesville.

1076
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:18,960
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, Holly Hills.

1077
01:02:19,240 --> 01:02:20,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1078
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:25,200
Speaker 9: So we get some free hot dogs in the car

1079
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,960
Speaker 9: and a couple of beers. When we go down the

1080
01:02:28,960 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 9: first team and there's these black guys obviously.

1081
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 4: A father and a son.

1082
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Speaker 9: And the guy was uh, had a great big gaffro

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Speaker 9: and the son was left handed, and so.

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Speaker 4: We go down there. They got polk cars. So we'll

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Speaker 4: go down to the first.

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Speaker 9: Team and we let them go ahead and hit. And

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Speaker 9: it never dawned on me, but it was ken grippy

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Speaker 9: and junior wow playing Holly Hills.

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Speaker 1: Man, Holly Hills is Holly It will still in vogue?

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01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 1: Is it still playing?

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Speaker 4: You know? I don't know.

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01:03:04,440 --> 01:03:06,360
Speaker 12: I don't know because.

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01:03:06,120 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 1: There have been some golf courses had closed, but like

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01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 1: several club pros have told me that's not going to

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01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:16,600
Speaker 1: stop people from playing. They're just gonna get Uh, they'll go.

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Speaker 1: They're not going to stop playing. If a golf course closes,

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01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:21,720
Speaker 1: they'll find another place to play.

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Speaker 3: That's that's awesome.

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Speaker 9: One more one more thing I want to tell you, Chick.

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Speaker 6: I live near Cleveland, and we went to.

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01:03:33,800 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 9: A Reds Indians game, Yes, at Cleveland, and I saw

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01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:46,480
Speaker 9: a junior hit four ninety eight and four nine.

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Speaker 3: Awesome home.

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01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,439
Speaker 9: Yes, and this last at back it was a deep

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01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,360
Speaker 9: fly out the center field.

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Speaker 8: So that's I love the Reds.

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Speaker 9: I've been to Carl We've built a million times, Chick,

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Speaker 9: and I really enjoy your perspective on letting us call

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01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:10,960
Speaker 9: in the talk and keep the center chained.

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Speaker 3: All right by appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: And uh, we've reached the top of the hour here

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Speaker 1: we're headed to news, and thanks so much and thanks

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01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:23,640
Speaker 1: for listening. Appreciate you all right, take care of yourself.

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Speaker 1: We've got a half hour to go. When we come

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Speaker 1: back after the top of the hour, News, Jason Williams,

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01:04:29,320 --> 01:04:33,200
Speaker 1: columnist for the Cincinnati inquir and Cincinnati dot Com, is

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Speaker 1: going to join us to talk all things Cincinnati.

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Speaker 3: Sports when we return.

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Speaker 1: This is Chick Ludwig till nine thirty tonight on the

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Speaker 1: Home of the Reds and the Best Bengals coverage, seven

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Speaker 1: hundred WLW.

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Speaker 6: Nine O nine in.

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Speaker 1: The Queens City of Cincinnati, Chick Ludwick, seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: This is sports Talk. Joe Waddell is tonight's producer. We're

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Speaker 1: going to the bottom of the hour, and that's when

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Speaker 1: you see basketball takes over these airwaves. And it's always

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Speaker 1: fun to welcome in Our next guest, the columnist for

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Speaker 1: the Cincinnati Inquirer and Cincinnati dot Com, the one, the Only,

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Speaker 1: and you hear his voice a lot here on seven

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Speaker 1: hundred WLW, Jason Williams.

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Speaker 3: Jason, how are you, chickster?

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Speaker 8: How are we doing?

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01:05:56,840 --> 01:05:57,040
Speaker 6: Fun?

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Speaker 1: Fantastic? And hey, your son plays baseball. He's working out tonight.

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01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 1: You can't wait till till spring and baseball season.

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01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 13: Man, oh man, it's uh, we're we're needy. I'm super

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01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:16,280
Speaker 13: super deep into youth baseball with both my kids, and

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01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,040
Speaker 13: it's a lot of fun and it's a lot of work.

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01:06:19,120 --> 01:06:21,120
Speaker 13: I do a lot of the administrative work and the

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01:06:21,160 --> 01:06:24,680
Speaker 13: fundraising and uh, but it's all I just keep the

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01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:27,200
Speaker 13: focus on. It's all for the greater good of a

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01:06:27,240 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 13: great group of young men and parents. And uh, so

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01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 13: you know, I mean, you know, you know how it is,

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01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 13: chick you you you umpire. You've covered sports for many

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01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:36,560
Speaker 13: many years.

1146
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 6: You've been around sports.

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01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:41,040
Speaker 13: You've seen you know, people and all nooks and crannies

1148
01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:44,480
Speaker 13: of all different levels of sports. And uh, youth sports

1149
01:06:44,480 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 13: aren't aren't what they were when you were growing up.

1150
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 13: And what I was growing up is that you know,

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01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 13: you'd play baseball and baseball season and basketball and basketball season.

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01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:56,800
Speaker 6: But now it's uh, man, you know, we're I'm in baseball.

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01:06:56,840 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 13: We're pretty much almost a nine months or something going on,

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01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:01,919
Speaker 13: almost pretty much nine months of the year.

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01:07:01,960 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 6: You know.

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01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 13: We take a few months off in July and August,

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01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 13: but uh and December.

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01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 6: But other than that, Uh, you're right now, you're getting

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01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 6: after it.

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Speaker 1: Their training. The training never stops. It really doesn't. And Jason,

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01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:16,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to lead with Xavier tonight.

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01:07:16,800 --> 01:07:17,200
Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And I have to agree with Rick Pattino that his son,

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01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 1: who he's very proud of, is doing one hell of

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01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:26,280
Speaker 1: a job at Xavier. Uh, with what he was given,

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01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: what he's had to do. Uh, they're extremely competitive. You

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01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,640
Speaker 1: just don't walk into Omaha Nebraska, and yeah, they were

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Speaker 1: a rebound away from winning that game. They were up

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Speaker 1: big today, it got away from him. But Richard Patino's

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Speaker 1: doing a whale of a job.

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Speaker 4: Yeah he is.

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Speaker 6: And you know, I well, it just he walked into

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01:07:49,840 --> 01:07:53,480
Speaker 6: a tough situation. I like him a lot.

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Speaker 13: I think, you know, it's so I want to say

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01:07:57,400 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 13: he's going to be great here and it's gonna all

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Speaker 13: work out, And you don't know. You don't know from

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Speaker 13: a year to year basis, and you don't know, especially

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01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 13: when it comes to you know, the basketball only schools,

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Speaker 13: like like how much money do they have?

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Speaker 6: And how much money do those big East schools have?

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Speaker 13: And you know, you hear all this, You hear some

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Speaker 13: buzz behind the scenes, like you know Xavier's you know,

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01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,000
Speaker 13: they're behind the eight ball with the nil and the

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Speaker 13: money and all that.

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Speaker 6: Like I I don't like I say that. I don't know.

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Speaker 13: None of it's none of it's public record, and it's

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Speaker 13: all over the place, and I don't think.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I don't know if.

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Speaker 13: Anyone knows other than the people who are directly involved.

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Speaker 6: I mean, certainly Xavior athletics.

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Speaker 13: Director Greg Christopher and Rick, Richard Patino and you know,

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01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:47,120
Speaker 13: he knows, you know, how much money they have, but

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Speaker 13: I'm not sure anyone else does outside you know, their

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Speaker 13: circle and their basketball program. But I think, I think

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Speaker 13: Richard Patino is an excellent coach. I remember when he

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Speaker 13: first got hired in Minnesota and you know, and he's

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Speaker 13: admitted this, like he just wasn't ready to do it.

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Speaker 13: He wasn't he was he was pretty young man, and

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Speaker 13: he wasn't ready for that big of a job. It

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01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 13: didn't work out, you know, he went to New Mexico, rebounded,

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01:09:12,640 --> 01:09:16,800
Speaker 13: figured it out, and uh, you know, I I like

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01:09:16,880 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 13: his their style of play there there there.

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Speaker 6: You know, he's a he's a hard nose like his dad, like,

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01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 6: you know.

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01:09:23,200 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 13: Try to implement a very tough, physical way of playing basketball.

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Speaker 13: We love that around here obviously in Cincinnati with Xavier

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Speaker 13: and UC. We want that from our basketball teams. But

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01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 13: all told, uh again, check, I want to sit here

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Speaker 13: and say, man, we're gonna look down the road here

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Speaker 13: in five years and say, wow, what what what an

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Speaker 13: awesome run Richard Patino has been on and now he's

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Speaker 13: on the you know, the Duke job or you know.

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Speaker 6: UK or wherever, you know. But I don't know, like and.

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Speaker 13: That isn't necessarily it's not an indictment on Richard Patino.

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Speaker 13: It's just an indictment on the system. Then one, where

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01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 13: are things that you know, I mean we've seen in

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Speaker 13: football chick like it's blue blood's Does it even matter anymore?

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01:10:08,479 --> 01:10:09,439
Speaker 6: If you're a blue blood?

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Speaker 13: You know, it's like, yeah, you go down the list

1221
01:10:12,600 --> 01:10:16,879
Speaker 13: and everything, everything everything in college sports. You know, tradition,

1222
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:19,519
Speaker 13: and you know, for the longest time, you know, your

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01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 13: big thing in recruiting is you have to keep up

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01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,240
Speaker 13: with the Jones and facilities and you know, are you

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01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 13: wearing Jordan uniforms or are you wearing Adidas? And that

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01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:30,559
Speaker 13: was a big recruiting tool. None of that stuff matters.

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01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:34,400
Speaker 13: Now they'll they'll play in pattered T shirts and then dungeons.

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Speaker 13: At the right price you're paying the players all they

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Speaker 13: care about. We can sit here and say, gosh, like

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Speaker 13: you know, Xavier and you see have fantastic facilities and

1231
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:46,440
Speaker 13: this school has fantastic facilities.

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Speaker 6: None of it matters.

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01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 13: It's how much money are you going to pay me

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01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 13: versus what that other school that wants me is going

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01:10:53,400 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 13: to pay me? And it's it's it's maddening and it's hard.

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Speaker 6: I know I'm.

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01:10:58,760 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 13: Rambling on here, but this is a topic that I

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01:11:02,040 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 13: would get really fired up about, Chick, and I know

1239
01:11:04,439 --> 01:11:08,360
Speaker 13: you do too, because we're traditionalists. We love college football,

1240
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 13: we love college basketball, and when you look at it, it

1241
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:15,840
Speaker 13: is all topsy turvy and turn ups onside its head.

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01:11:15,880 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 13: And I sit here today and I wonder, Chick, are

1243
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 13: we ever going to see the days again where you

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01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 13: see and Xavier consistently make the tournament and then every

1245
01:11:26,360 --> 01:11:28,559
Speaker 13: once in a while get on that run Sweet sixteen

1246
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 13: Elite eight. Yeah, you know, like, I don't know if

1247
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,040
Speaker 13: we're ever going to see that that day again. And

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01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:38,920
Speaker 13: I still don't know if that's registered with generally both

1249
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:42,160
Speaker 13: fan bases. But I think that's where things are right now,

1250
01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 13: and that's scary to think about.

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01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:46,160
Speaker 1: It's taken two thirds of the season for us to

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01:11:46,200 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 1: get to even like get a feel and get to

1253
01:11:49,439 --> 01:11:51,479
Speaker 1: know some of the players, and then they'll be gone.

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01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:55,120
Speaker 3: So you're exactly right. Yeah, Yeah, you're exactly right, Jason.

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01:11:56,120 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 1: Tomorrow is Championship Sunday, the same greatest day. Last week

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01:12:02,960 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: weekend was the greatest weekend to me. This is the

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01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:08,560
Speaker 1: greatest day two for the price of one. And I

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01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 1: don't know about you, I just cannot see a Super

1259
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:16,600
Speaker 1: Bowl with Sam Darnold going up against Jared Stidham. I

1260
01:12:16,600 --> 01:12:20,200
Speaker 1: think the Shield, I think the Shield wants Drake May

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01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:23,240
Speaker 1: and Matt Stafford. And that's why I'm picking the Rams

1262
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 1: to upset Seattle tomorrow.

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01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,800
Speaker 13: I'm with you on that, Chick, and I want what

1264
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:33,960
Speaker 13: the Shield wants to I'd love to see the Rams,

1265
01:12:34,360 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 13: love to see them, you know, after they had a

1266
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:38,559
Speaker 13: couple of down years after they won the Super Bowl

1267
01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,759
Speaker 13: and beat the Bengals and then here they are again,

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01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 13: and Sean McVay is such a great coach and just

1269
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 13: an offensive and me, you know.

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Speaker 6: Matt Stafford is no no Spring Chicken.

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Speaker 13: And the fact that those guys just keep winning, and

1272
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 13: you know, they're a little under the radar and the

1273
01:12:53,439 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 13: NFC because there's so many, you know, higher profile, great

1274
01:12:57,200 --> 01:12:59,640
Speaker 13: teams and it's crazy to sit here and think that,

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01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 13: you know, a team that's in l A isn't isn't

1276
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:06,120
Speaker 13: really even that popular in their own city.

1277
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 6: But I'm with you on that. But I love Chick.

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01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:12,400
Speaker 13: I love doing I know it's it's it's painful to

1279
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,080
Speaker 13: say it, and it's hard for Bengals fans to hear it,

1280
01:13:15,120 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 13: and really probably most fans here, but Bill Belichick's not

1281
01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:22,360
Speaker 13: that love love love Mike Brabel though, Mike Babriel, If I,

1282
01:13:22,560 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 13: if I, if you're to.

1283
01:13:23,800 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 6: Go into a lab and uh, you're saying, like.

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01:13:27,200 --> 01:13:30,920
Speaker 13: You create me, that create me the football coach that

1285
01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:34,360
Speaker 13: you want. I hope that they would spit out Mike

1286
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 13: Brabel because I love that guy and I love you know,

1287
01:13:37,080 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 13: he's a buck guy and uh wat jesuit. You know,

1288
01:13:41,080 --> 01:13:44,080
Speaker 13: he's a hile guy through and through, and he just

1289
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:45,519
Speaker 13: he's a tough guy.

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01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:46,920
Speaker 6: I love how.

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01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:50,200
Speaker 13: Respectful he is of the media, just how great he

1292
01:13:50,280 --> 01:13:53,400
Speaker 13: is with his players, and yet he's got that unique

1293
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,679
Speaker 13: ability to be incredibly tough with his players but also

1294
01:13:57,280 --> 01:14:01,720
Speaker 13: be relational with them have great relationships him. That's incredibly challenging,

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Speaker 13: but he's, you know, he's one of those guys be

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Speaker 13: able to do it. And I'm glad that it's awesome

1297
01:14:08,040 --> 01:14:11,719
Speaker 13: to see him, you know, get that other chance after

1298
01:14:11,840 --> 01:14:14,640
Speaker 13: getting fired in Tennessee, which is just a complete, you know,

1299
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Speaker 13: dumpster fire, and for him to go to New England,

1300
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 13: you know, a proud tradition there and to get those

1301
01:14:21,520 --> 01:14:24,880
Speaker 13: guys going again is uh, it's pretty it's pretty great

1302
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 13: to see and uh and and I'm not talking about

1303
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 13: necessarily New England itself, but uh, you know, I'm more

1304
01:14:30,479 --> 01:14:34,479
Speaker 13: so for Mike Brabel and you know, I love seeing

1305
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:35,120
Speaker 13: that from him.

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01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 6: I just think, I.

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Speaker 13: Just I don't know if there's another coach in the

1308
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 13: NFL that I respect more than that guy.

1309
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,519
Speaker 6: He's He's just he's a fantastic coach.

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Speaker 3: Agreed.

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Speaker 13: Uh.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to lay this on you, Jason. Last week

1313
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: the two uh controversial calls. Uh, Davante Adams his knee

1314
01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:59,000
Speaker 1: was down, but I wondered if he maintained control throughout

1315
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:00,920
Speaker 1: the duration and co depletion of the catch.

1316
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 3: To me, he didn't.

1317
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: And then Brandon Cook's reception for the Bills to me

1318
01:15:06,439 --> 01:15:09,959
Speaker 1: was a catch doesn't simultaneous control go to the offense.

1319
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 3: But anyway, we got a little.

1320
01:15:11,960 --> 01:15:15,400
Speaker 1: Bit chanted eyes and spanked by Joe Burrow saying the

1321
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:17,840
Speaker 1: officials got it right. But my question is, and I

1322
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:20,439
Speaker 1: put it on my Facebook page, what happens to the

1323
01:15:20,560 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 1: NFL if fans lose faith.

1324
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:25,200
Speaker 3: In the integrity of the game.

1325
01:15:25,960 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 1: And you know, we see Robert Kraft says he wants

1326
01:15:29,439 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 1: every team to play an international game.

1327
01:15:32,439 --> 01:15:33,879
Speaker 3: There's just never enough.

1328
01:15:33,720 --> 01:15:37,639
Speaker 1: Money being generated by this sport, and at some point

1329
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 1: doesn't it hit top out.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it just.

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01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:47,280
Speaker 13: This is I saw your question and it's it's it's

1332
01:15:47,479 --> 01:15:53,519
Speaker 13: such an interesting question because I wondered that, especially since

1333
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:56,000
Speaker 13: coming back to sports in the last few years.

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01:15:55,720 --> 01:15:57,040
Speaker 6: I've wondered that a lot.

1335
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 13: And I've wondered that just through the prism of the

1336
01:15:59,560 --> 01:16:02,000
Speaker 13: Bengal when you you know, as we all sit here

1337
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:04,799
Speaker 13: and we're so frustrated with the Bengals and how they operate,

1338
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 13: and certainly I've written a lot about the stadium topic,

1339
01:16:08,760 --> 01:16:11,360
Speaker 13: and you know, and you obviously you cover them for

1340
01:16:11,439 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 13: so many years the Dayton Daily News, and so you

1341
01:16:13,640 --> 01:16:16,840
Speaker 13: know exactly how the Bengals operated. It's exactly how they

1342
01:16:16,880 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 13: operate today as they operated whatever you have twenty some

1343
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:21,760
Speaker 13: years ago, and you were you know, when you first

1344
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:25,040
Speaker 13: were getting on the beat. But it's like, at the

1345
01:16:25,120 --> 01:16:27,639
Speaker 13: end of the day, it's such and not the Bengals themself.

1346
01:16:27,640 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 13: I'm talking about the overall the NFL is so massive

1347
01:16:31,840 --> 01:16:35,439
Speaker 13: and it's still on on the on the ascension, and

1348
01:16:35,479 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 13: it's it's crazy to think that every year those numbers

1349
01:16:38,200 --> 01:16:41,240
Speaker 13: come out, and there's it seems like there's another billion

1350
01:16:41,360 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 13: or two tacked onto how much the NFL generates, and

1351
01:16:44,640 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 13: like where, you know, you wonder where is it going

1352
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,599
Speaker 13: to stop? And and that might be the one thing

1353
01:16:49,680 --> 01:16:54,719
Speaker 13: that if if, if calls like that continue to happen,

1354
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,280
Speaker 13: and and I don't know if they will, because yeah,

1355
01:16:57,320 --> 01:17:01,760
Speaker 13: it's yeah, there's gonna be questionable calls in every game,

1356
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:04,799
Speaker 13: but there there's been questionable calls in every game for forever,

1357
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,919
Speaker 13: and you know, there's always that unique, really really unique

1358
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:12,680
Speaker 13: call or play here and there, uh, you know, and

1359
01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 13: so is there going to even be enough of those

1360
01:17:15,760 --> 01:17:18,000
Speaker 13: to even make it question.

1361
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:18,960
Speaker 6: The integrity the game?

1362
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:22,679
Speaker 13: Because it's so big, because it's so massive, and because

1363
01:17:22,720 --> 01:17:26,799
Speaker 13: it's it just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger

1364
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:30,120
Speaker 13: and bigger, and more partnerships and more games across the

1365
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 13: globe and and we we we are so fascinated by it,

1366
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,400
Speaker 13: and we're we're fascinated. I was talking to one of

1367
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 13: my colleagues about this, like, even though we know how

1368
01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:43,640
Speaker 13: the Bengals operate, and we've known this for years and

1369
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,240
Speaker 13: so none of this is a surprise about how they operate.

1370
01:17:46,280 --> 01:17:47,840
Speaker 6: I'm not picking on. I'm just using there there are

1371
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:48,599
Speaker 6: our team here.

1372
01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:51,800
Speaker 13: Locally, we're still fascinated by it.

1373
01:17:52,360 --> 01:17:54,839
Speaker 4: We're still fat, we still keep coming back.

1374
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 13: And think, okay, well all right, maybe maybe this year.

1375
01:17:59,280 --> 01:18:03,760
Speaker 13: And because the system in the NFL is set up

1376
01:18:03,800 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 13: to where the Cincinnati Bengals can have just as much

1377
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 13: success as any other team in the league, very much

1378
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:15,519
Speaker 13: unlike baseball. But you know, it's all all this revenue

1379
01:18:15,560 --> 01:18:17,519
Speaker 13: sharing and those those.

1380
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:18,400
Speaker 6: Dollars keep going up.

1381
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:20,719
Speaker 13: The TV money was up and over what four hundred

1382
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,519
Speaker 13: million last year and that's gonna it's going to be

1383
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 13: soon be up over five hundred million uh in the

1384
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 13: revenue sharing and so just a loan the Bengals, they

1385
01:18:28,960 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 13: don't have to win a game, and they still make

1386
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,920
Speaker 13: that amount of money. When you make that amount of money,

1387
01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:38,400
Speaker 13: and then when you when you tack on like and

1388
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:40,799
Speaker 13: I'm talking about the grand er piece of the NFL,

1389
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:45,760
Speaker 13: where where would accountability come from? That have to come

1390
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:50,439
Speaker 13: from within, But but it's so big, like like okay,

1391
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:52,280
Speaker 13: all right, you know what, you blew a call here,

1392
01:18:52,760 --> 01:18:55,559
Speaker 13: mister referee, Like all right, slap on the wrists or

1393
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:57,839
Speaker 13: you're not going to be able to call another playoff

1394
01:18:57,880 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 13: game for a couple of years, or your crew is

1395
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:04,040
Speaker 13: gonna get some primo games next season or whatever. But ultimately,

1396
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:05,880
Speaker 13: like what a wee Hares fans?

1397
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:10,680
Speaker 1: Yeah right, absolutely the greatest reality show on TV. And

1398
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: as the Broncos were driving against the Bills, I'm saying

1399
01:19:14,120 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 1: to myself, here comes the phantom flag, Here comes the

1400
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:22,840
Speaker 1: pass interference call, and it did, and the Bills player

1401
01:19:22,920 --> 01:19:25,000
Speaker 1: went nuts. He got another fifteen yards and then a

1402
01:19:25,080 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: chip shot and the Broncos win and overtime.

1403
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,360
Speaker 3: You could just see it. Yeah, you could see it

1404
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:31,519
Speaker 3: coming from a mile away.

1405
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 1: And just yeah, so but last week one, yeah, lastly

1406
01:19:39,320 --> 01:19:43,360
Speaker 1: to change gears, just real quick. Gosh, we love baseball

1407
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 1: the Reds. It just seems like they're counting on all

1408
01:19:47,080 --> 01:19:50,840
Speaker 1: their young players to get better because left field is

1409
01:19:50,920 --> 01:19:54,320
Speaker 1: a void and there's like twelve guys that are gonna

1410
01:19:54,320 --> 01:19:56,960
Speaker 1: be fighting for that. Maybe it's Spencer Steer and they

1411
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:01,160
Speaker 1: put South Stewart at first, but U no big bat

1412
01:20:01,600 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 1: and they're just and three and the three highest batting

1413
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 1: averages from last year are gone. So uh, they're just

1414
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 1: counting on guys getting better.

1415
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:15,080
Speaker 13: Yeah, you still hold out a little bit of hope

1416
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:18,559
Speaker 13: that maybe, you know, you any of Suarez is out there,

1417
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,600
Speaker 13: maybe somewhere they're gonna get some bat. And I'm not

1418
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 13: saying obviously, you know, they didn't get Kyle Schwarber, they

1419
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 13: didn't get any of the front line guy. They didn't

1420
01:20:26,880 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 13: get Luise Robert in a trade.

1421
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 6: The Mets got him.

1422
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:33,920
Speaker 13: Yeah, but you keep thinking, like, all right, but time's

1423
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:35,960
Speaker 13: a ticking here, we're heading to February and then they

1424
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:39,040
Speaker 13: go to they go to camp what February eleventh, twelveth

1425
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:41,080
Speaker 13: somewhereround I got the dates written down over here in

1426
01:20:41,120 --> 01:20:41,679
Speaker 13: my notebook.

1427
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:47,280
Speaker 6: But you're exactly right there. They are counting on.

1428
01:20:47,800 --> 01:20:52,519
Speaker 13: They are They have become the quintessential small market team.

1429
01:20:53,400 --> 01:20:57,160
Speaker 13: And I'm saying in every way possible. You know, like

1430
01:20:57,280 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 13: the Minnesota Twins and the Oakland Age we're back in

1431
01:21:00,120 --> 01:21:03,000
Speaker 13: early two thousands. They become like that where you're like,

1432
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 13: oh gosh, you have developed a lot.

1433
01:21:05,240 --> 01:21:07,160
Speaker 6: Of really good young players, Go go.

1434
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 13: Get that Go spend a little bit of money to

1435
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:12,160
Speaker 13: get that bat or that arm that's gonna push you

1436
01:21:12,240 --> 01:21:12,840
Speaker 13: over the edge.

1437
01:21:13,200 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 6: And those teams wouldn't do it. They held true to

1438
01:21:15,520 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 6: their budget.

1439
01:21:16,560 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 13: And you're seeing that with the Cincinnati Reds now and

1440
01:21:18,840 --> 01:21:20,280
Speaker 13: you know you saw the news the other day.

1441
01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:22,160
Speaker 6: Well, they're waiting on now the TV deal.

1442
01:21:22,280 --> 01:21:24,639
Speaker 13: Well okay, so when the TV deal comes out, then

1443
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:26,240
Speaker 13: they're gonna there's gonna be something else.

1444
01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 6: Well we're waiting on, uh, you know, like.

1445
01:21:29,200 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 13: We're gonna you know what, We're gonna go ahead and

1446
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:33,400
Speaker 13: see if South Stewart's gonna pan out of the hitter.

1447
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:34,920
Speaker 6: Maybe that's our extra bat.

1448
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:37,920
Speaker 13: And so it's always a move in the needle or

1449
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:41,680
Speaker 13: I don't want to say excuse, but it's we We

1450
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 13: are a full blown small market team in every sense

1451
01:21:47,320 --> 01:21:51,320
Speaker 13: of the of the phrase or the definition of that. U.

1452
01:21:52,160 --> 01:21:52,960
Speaker 6: The Reds weren't.

1453
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 13: Yeah, the Reds weren't The Reds weren't that for many

1454
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:57,920
Speaker 13: years and they certainly are now.

1455
01:21:58,160 --> 01:21:58,360
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1456
01:21:58,600 --> 01:22:01,200
Speaker 1: Hey, and with that, we've got breakaway. It's you see

1457
01:22:01,240 --> 01:22:03,760
Speaker 1: basketball next. Man, Thanks so much for taking time out

1458
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 1: of your schedule to join us.

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01:22:05,240 --> 01:22:05,880
Speaker 6: Appreciate you.

1460
01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:06,800
Speaker 3: Take care.

1461
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 1: This has been Sports Talk with your host Chick Ludwig.

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