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Speaker 2: Show set up for today one o'clock every Thursday. John

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Speaker 2: maybe three, on Good Morning Football, when Ian Rappaport was

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Speaker 2: giving the injury updates ahead of tonight's game. And here

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Speaker 3: Calvin Austin, one of the young young receivers for the

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Speaker 2: When you think of Pittsburgh Steeler football, you often think

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Speaker 4: What's the point.

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Speaker 2: Andrew Whitworth is the ruler of the Jungle tonight. He's

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Speaker 2: cheap Bengals. And doesn't that if you are the Bengals

432
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Speaker 2: drive you insane? It would drive me insane if I'm

433
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,720
Speaker 2: trying to build a brand, if I'm trying to get

434
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:22,240
Speaker 2: this organization leveled up, if I was Elizabeth and Caroline,

435
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 2: it would drive me nuts that even though we've done

436
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 2: all these good things, and you understand you have a

437
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 2: long way to go, still the only thing people care

438
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:36,399
Speaker 2: about is this perception that we are cheap. Meanwhile, there

439
00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:39,000
Speaker 2: are things happening in the way that the football team

440
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 2: is being built and operated that suggest we have turned

441
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,680
Speaker 2: a corner. Moe was talking about this yesterday, the benching

442
00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 2: of Logan Wilson. It's very Unbengal like we're Moe's words,

443
00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:56,760
Speaker 2: He's exactly right. It's a good thing. When the Bengal

444
00:25:56,960 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 2: like things start happening that are Unbanngal like. When that

445
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: starts happening, that's a good thing. That's an indication that

446
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 2: the organization has turned a corner. What do we always

447
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,119
Speaker 2: say about in season trades, Ah, Bengals just don't do that.

448
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 2: They never do that. Nope, never do it. Well, they've

449
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 2: done it twice in the last two seasons. They traded

450
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,040
Speaker 2: for Khalil Herbert and they traded for Joe Flacco. And

451
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 2: whether or not those moves worked out, and Khalil Herbert

452
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 2: was fine. He fumbled his first carry, but he was fine,

453
00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: and they needed to do it, and they needed to

454
00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 2: do this for Joe Flacco. The fact of the matter remains,

455
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,280
Speaker 2: they did something. Instead of sitting on their hands and

456
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 2: watching the thing fully explode, they did something. And while

457
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 2: they screwed up the way they went about the Chase

458
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 2: and Higgins contracts, they did something. They signed those players,

459
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: they gave them that money, they met those guarantees. They

460
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 2: added a void year to the Trey Henderson contract, which

461
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 2: they never do. The first time I may ever put

462
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,159
Speaker 2: a void year in a contract was Riley Reef a

463
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:07,320
Speaker 2: few years ago. The offensive tackle they signed from Minnesota.

464
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 2: They're so slowly starting to get with the rest of

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Speaker 2: the league, and yet the narrative remains that they're cheap

466
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,240
Speaker 2: and that's all people ever want to talk about. And

467
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 2: I get it, and there is a long history of

468
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: such to tell you that and for people to bank

469
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,240
Speaker 2: on in the stadium deal and all of it. Like

470
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 2: I hear you one hundred percent. The Bengals objective in

471
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,199
Speaker 2: two operations, two different parts of the operation here in

472
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,919
Speaker 2: football operations is and should be to be aggressive in

473
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 2: the pursuit of a championship and to not sit on

474
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 2: their hands under any circumstances. And on the business side

475
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,440
Speaker 2: of things should be, hey, look at what we're doing

476
00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 2: over there. We're trying our ass off and we've turned

477
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: the corner to be an elite organization. Now, those two

478
00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,440
Speaker 2: things have to work together. And as I said yesterday,

479
00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 2: when you do stuff like the White Bengal and your

480
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 2: team isn't good enough and you get embarrassed on national television,

481
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 2: it shouldn't mean that you stop doing the White Bengal.

482
00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 2: It should mean that the product on the field has

483
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:14,520
Speaker 2: to meet the business off the field, because if the

484
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: product on the field doesn't it hurts the business more

485
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 2: than anything else. Fans go running, season tickets don't renew,

486
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 2: nobody starts to take you seriously, and all that talk

487
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 2: about all the good stuff you've done in the last

488
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 2: couple of years is just to flash in the pan.

489
00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 2: And the same can be said about employing coaches or

490
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:43,320
Speaker 2: gms or front office members for too long. Nobody thinks

491
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 2: the Bengals are going to fire Zach Taylor. Why Ah,

492
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 2: the Bengals don't do that. Marvin Lewis was here for

493
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: sixteen years now. There's a couple of times they should

494
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: have fired Marvin and they didn't. The narrative is that

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00:28:55,800 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: the organization is too stubborn and too cheap. And while

496
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 2: while I have been touting for a long time, now

497
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 2: that that narrative has started to shift and the Bengals

498
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: are doing a lot of things the right way, I

499
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 2: still acknowledge that they're further away. They're still far away

500
00:29:11,160 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 2: from where they need to be. And while you know,

501
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: Whitworth being the ruler of the jungle maybe is not

502
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: really that indicative of where they're at, nor does it

503
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: have that much bearing on what happens on the field.

504
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 2: I understand that it is at least an acknowledgment. Acknowledgement

505
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: from the Bengals is like, hey, just because you're mad

506
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 2: at us, or just because you've criticized us, we're not

507
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 2: going to shun you. That's smart, that's a good thing.

508
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: They should not do stuff like that, and I'm glad

509
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 2: they aren't. And to circle back just to the point

510
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,959
Speaker 2: I made just a second ago, the narrative around the

511
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: coaching staff and around the organization and all of that,

512
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,000
Speaker 2: I've said, and I stand by that. I don't think

513
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: Zach Taylor should be the head coach of the Bengals anymore.

514
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: I think that you know it's finished. I don't know

515
00:30:06,040 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: that there's going to be something that happens between now

516
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:10,360
Speaker 2: and the end of the year that's going to change

517
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 2: my mind. But I also acknowledge that that's not entirely

518
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: Zach's fault. And if you really want the narrative to shift,

519
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 2: you'll can the guy who's been there for twenty years

520
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: and accomplish nothing in Duke Tobin. If you are serious

521
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 2: about being all in in the window that Joe Burrow

522
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 2: has offered you in his career, you need desperately a

523
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: breath of fresh air in the personnel department. Duke Tobin,

524
00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,040
Speaker 2: while I think is a relatively good guy, and I

525
00:30:45,080 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 2: don't know him personally, but I do know that he

526
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,840
Speaker 2: doesn't talk, he doesn't answer for what he does, and

527
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 2: he has failed miserably over and over and over and

528
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 2: over again. And if you want the narrative to change

529
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,479
Speaker 2: and to let people know that you're serious about winning,

530
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,560
Speaker 2: it's not just firing a head coach. It's not just

531
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: trading for a forty year old quarterback. It's holding the

532
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 2: people within the organization to a standard as well. Much

533
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 2: like you hold a player to a standard, you hold

534
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: your own people to a standard as well. And tonight

535
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 2: and today is not about firing Zach Taylor and firing

536
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 2: Duke Toben. But these are the points in the season

537
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 2: where you start to investigate. And you're not really investigate,

538
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 2: but you really start to look at where the organization

539
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 2: is at. Because, as I've said several times before, this

540
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,479
Speaker 2: is a turning point. This is when the magnifying glass

541
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: comes out. This is when all the eyeballs are on.

542
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 2: How does the team respond, how do they perform? And

543
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 2: based off the result, how do you pivot? This is

544
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 2: a big, big, moment for this organization starting tonight. Phone

545
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 2: lines open five point three seven four N fifteen thirty.

546
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 2: I'm Austin Elmore. This is our one since he three

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Speaker 2: to sixty. Right here on the Home of the Bengals,

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00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty.

549
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 7: You've been listening to football in the NATI on ESPN

550
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 7: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals. Fay Shudding,

551
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 7: ESPN fifteen thirty.

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00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:34,720
Speaker 2: Welcome back since e three sixty, since beautiful day in Cincinnati.

553
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 2: Gonna be a beautiful night for football. Feels like football

554
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 2: weather at pay Corps Stadium tonight Bengals Steelers eight fifteen.

555
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: Phone lines open at five one three seven four nine,

556
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. Let's go to the phones. Let's start with

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00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: our old friend John Michael. Hi, John, How are you hi?

558
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 5: Often?

559
00:32:58,600 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 2: How you doing?

560
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 4: Wonderful man? How have you been.

561
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 2: Well?

562
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 5: I'm going through a little little spatter depression. I don't

563
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 5: really need to say why, but I think we all know.

564
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I took that all that stuff

565
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 5: really hard and everything. But you just said about Duke Tobin,

566
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 5: who has been the face of the franchise for like,

567
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,720
Speaker 5: not the face, but the decision maker for twenty years,

568
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 5: and he doesn't have to. He doesn't have to like

569
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 5: like people are asking, like what's going on, he doesn't

570
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 5: have to speak for it. And it kind of sounds

571
00:33:35,240 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 5: like I've got this new thing I'm doing. I'm going

572
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 5: to give you a promo here. It kind of sounds

573
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,840
Speaker 5: like Dick Tueban is like the same guy that runs iHeartMedia.

574
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 6: Here it goes back back back mode.

575
00:33:57,840 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 4: I don't know how to respond to that, John Michael.

576
00:34:01,320 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 8: Do you think I was pretty good?

577
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 5: Now?

578
00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: The air horn specifically, you did a great job.

579
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 4: Did you did you say did you say fax mode

580
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 4: F A C T S fax mode?

581
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, facts mad machine. Yeah.

582
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 4: I was just making sure everybody was clear on that.

583
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, because the people at a Heart don't have to

584
00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 5: answer for their miscalculations either.

585
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 4: I hear what you're saying.

586
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

587
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 4: I hear what you're saying.

588
00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:33,640
Speaker 5: But you you went up to that Green Bay and everything.

589
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,439
Speaker 5: I was there, like I don't know, like eight years ago.

590
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 5: It was like the hottest game ever in green Bay history.

591
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:44,400
Speaker 5: And they is the most gentle, nice people of all time,

592
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 5: the green Bay fans, And it's like a it's like

593
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,399
Speaker 5: a little community. I mean when you say it's right

594
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,839
Speaker 5: in the middle of a neighborhood, people are like, oh,

595
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:54,720
Speaker 5: that's kind of weird.

596
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 4: It's like it's elder or.

597
00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:59,959
Speaker 5: Is that Lasal No, it's it's the Green Bay Packard's Lamby.

598
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:00,879
Speaker 4: Yeah.

599
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 5: Like we was just walking through. Me and my mom

600
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,800
Speaker 5: was walking through, and people was like, hey, you guys

601
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 5: are mangles fans. My mom was like, yeah, Wes bangle

602
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 5: fans and I was like, yeah, we use mangle fans.

603
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 5: She spoke for both of us, and there was like,

604
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 5: would you like to hold my baby? And I was like,

605
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 5: I've never held a baby in my life, and they

606
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 5: wanted to picture all my mom and I was like,

607
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 5: this is weird. But I look like somebody that would

608
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 5: hold somebody else's baby. I mean you've seen me. I

609
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:28,560
Speaker 5: look approachable that.

610
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 4: Way, right. Oh yeah.

611
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Speaker 2: And that's just how the good folks of Green Bay

612
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:37,440
Speaker 2: are man and nicest people I've ever met.

613
00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 5: Well, I appreciate that. You know who's not nice? Those

614
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 5: dudes up there in ann Arbor.

615
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 4: No bad people, really mean people.

616
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Speaker 2: I mean that's it. I was not treated well when

617
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:54,840
Speaker 2: I when I went up there wearing some some scarlet

618
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 2: and gray.

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Speaker 5: Well, it's just a T shirt. Man, it's laundry, right.

620
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 5: I don't, I don't, I don't. I don't do a

621
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 5: whiz on somebody just because they're at the laundromat and

622
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 5: they it's like, man, that's your somebody else's underwear. Man, like,

623
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 5: get out here. But I love you so much and

624
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 5: you're doing a great job, and I think he's gonna

625
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 5: take off and everything like that with this program, and

626
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,719
Speaker 5: you has always been really calm to me. I've sent

627
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 5: you some side texts even though you haven't answered in

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00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:25,160
Speaker 5: the last like two and a half months.

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Speaker 8: I get that.

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00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:30,280
Speaker 5: I understand that, like maybe like a thumbs up emoji,

631
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 5: whether it's a yellow hand or just like a you know,

632
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 5: but I appreciate that, and I understand what you're going

633
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 5: through working with that guy side by side for as

634
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 5: long as you did. And you, you guys built this program,

635
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 5: not that that James rapping guy. You guys built this program.

636
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 5: And I appreciate everything you do for us as listeners.

637
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,240
Speaker 5: And when you talk about green Bay being the nicest

638
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 5: fans in the world since the three sixties, community has

639
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:07,440
Speaker 5: been the absolute most amazing community I've ever been a

640
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 5: part of in my entire life. And I thank all

641
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 5: the callers, all the tallbackers, everybody, even Mike in la

642
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,080
Speaker 5: Hey School.

643
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 4: I love that guy too. Well.

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00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:22,759
Speaker 2: That is unbelievably kind of you, John, and I appreciate

645
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 2: all your support over the years. I appreciate your text

646
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,439
Speaker 2: even if I don't always respond to them or give

647
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: you a thumbs up, but uh, thank you.

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Speaker 5: And just to all the callers now I've been on

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Speaker 5: hold for three and a half weeks.

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Speaker 8: I love you guys.

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Speaker 4: Thank you John. It's uh John, Michael.

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Speaker 2: You know, as we were talking to John there, I

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Speaker 2: got a little bit of breaking news here. I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: have to investigate this. Kay Adams was apparently just talking

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Speaker 2: to Chris Collinsworth on her show, and Collinsworth apparently said

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Speaker 2: that Michael Jordan, the Great, Michael Jordan, the basketball Michael

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Speaker 2: Jordan is a Bengals fan. This would be news to me.

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Speaker 2: I know when Mike was was growing up in North Carolina,

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Speaker 2: there was no NFL team over there. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if there would be any connections to Michael Jordan on

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Speaker 2: the Bengals, and don't know that there's any Jordan athletes

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Speaker 2: on the Bengals. He was at an Eagles game earlier

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Speaker 2: this year. Jalen Hurts is kind of the face of

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Speaker 2: Jordan in the NFL. Does anybody know anything about this?

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Speaker 2: Because this would change my life significantly. There may not

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Speaker 2: be an athlete that I adore more than Michael Jeffrey Jordan.

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Speaker 2: If anybody knows anything about this, let me know. Five one, three, seven, four, nine,

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Speaker 2: fifteen thirty. We got time for another quick phone call.

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Speaker 2: Let's go from John Michael to Dick in Dayton. What's up, Dick?

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Speaker 8: Where do you say, Austin?

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Speaker 4: You know what.

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Speaker 2: It's a beautiful day. It feels like football outside Richard.

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Speaker 8: Yes it does, Yes it does.

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Speaker 4: You ever play football growing up, Dick?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: I did one year and never again.

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Speaker 3: I start.

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Speaker 8: You know, I played in the Centerville Marching Band, but

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Speaker 8: I played Clarnet, but I'd rather played what remember one, David?

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Speaker 8: I saw you. But Austin, I don't think we realized.

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Speaker 8: You know what happened about Joe Burrow. That's so sad.

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Speaker 8: But Flacco last week for coming in there, Austin I

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Speaker 8: thought looked pretty good on those drives. You don't, yeah

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Speaker 8: any good?

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Speaker 2: He took care of the ball. He didn't turn it over,

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Speaker 2: and in the second hand he started throwing it our

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Speaker 2: second half, he just started throwing it up to Jamar Chase.

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Speaker 8: Yeah. And I know over the years, Austin, I could

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Speaker 8: remember in college, I don't I forget. I know, the

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Speaker 8: Bengals beat them one year and they were like, oh,

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Speaker 8: I forget when they kidding. They never had back in

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Speaker 8: the seventies eighties much luck. So I think Boomer came

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Speaker 8: because they lost, like the Browns did so many in

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Speaker 8: that stadium. But the defense has to play good tonight, Austin. Yeah,

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Speaker 8: the defense has to play pretty good, don't you think.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm right there with you.

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Speaker 2: I mean you got to be able to slow down

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers a little bit and get off the field

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Speaker 2: a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Dick. Do you have a prediction for tonight's game?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm going to take the Bengals twenty seven to

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Speaker 8: twenty four.

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Speaker 2: All right, perfect, Dick. I will write that down. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for the phone call.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, good talking to you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Likewise, a bit of a Friday field here on a

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Speaker 2: Thursday on Sincy three to.

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Speaker 4: Sixty Seki Sincinnati. He's going on in the NFL.

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Speaker 7: Getting ESPN fifteen thirty from iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Since A three sixty ESPN fifteen thirty. I'm Austin Elmore

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Speaker 2: just a couple of minutes before we take a break

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Speaker 2: and start our number two with John Shearon from a

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Speaker 2: hiss E Sports and the Orange and Black Insider podcast.

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Speaker 2: John gave his report cards and talked about a couple

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Speaker 2: of players that I'm interested in talking to him about,

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Speaker 2: including DJ Turner, who quietly has turned his season around

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Speaker 2: and hopefully his career around the way he's played over

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Speaker 2: the last month or so and had a wonderful performance

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Speaker 2: on Sunday in Green Bay. Going to be a bit

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Speaker 2: of a different challenge tonight against DK Metcalf, who is

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Speaker 2: just a bigger, more physical wide receiver, and one of

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Speaker 2: the things I'm going to be looking out for tonight

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Speaker 2: is yak that would be yards after catch. This is

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Speaker 2: where the Bengals and the Steelers are polar opposites in

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Speaker 2: a way. The Bengals no team in the NFL has

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Speaker 2: allowed more YAK than the Cincinnati Bengals. That's not a

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Speaker 2: surprise because number one, they're not good tacklers, and number two,

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Speaker 2: the defenders are normally nowhere near the wide receiver when

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Speaker 2: they catch the pass. There's a lot of open runners

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Speaker 2: and easy separation in the Bengals defense. And secondly, the

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh wide receivers number one in the NFL in YAK.

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Speaker 2: Pittsburgh receivers are averaging seven point seven yards after catch

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Speaker 2: per catch. That's the best in the NFL by far. Now,

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Speaker 2: one of those was a long eighty yard touchdown to

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Speaker 2: DK Metcalf, and that obviously will skew the numbers a

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Speaker 2: little bit, but goes without saying one of the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 2: strengths is their ability to create separation and catch the

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Speaker 2: ball and get yards after catch, and one of the

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Speaker 2: Bengals weaknesses is allowing said yards after catch and the

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Speaker 2: inability to tackle. So gonna be curious to see how

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Speaker 2: that shakes out tonight and if the Bengals are able

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Speaker 2: to be a little stickier in coverage, and if so,

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Speaker 2: if that's gonna cut down on some of that YAK

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Speaker 2: and maybe improve some of the tackling issues that the

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Speaker 2: Bengals have had over the last couple of weeks and

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Speaker 2: really all season long. When we come back, John Shearon

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Speaker 2: joins us as he does every Thursday at one o'clock

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Speaker 2: to talk Bengals and Steelers. This is the home of

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