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Speaker 2: always Skyline time. Let's roll through another Thursday.

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Speaker 3: Here.

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Speaker 2: We've got John sheeron at one o'clock. He'll join us

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Speaker 2: to talk all begles and bills. We've got Key get

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Speaker 2: Nick us in at two o'clock. He'll get us ready

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Speaker 2: for the crossdown shootout. I'm talking a little U see

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Speaker 2: football signing Day and our guy Bob Man Jean from

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Speaker 2: the University of Cincinnati and Novacare will join us in

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Speaker 2: the third hour as we discuss a little bit about

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Speaker 2: the trainer's role in a player coming back from injury.

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Speaker 2: We'll look at what Joe Burrow was able to do

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Speaker 2: and how big of an impact the trainer truly has

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Speaker 2: in something like that. We've also got some Joe Burrow

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Speaker 2: audio from yesterday that we'll get to. We've got to

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Speaker 2: read and react today. We've got to talk a little

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Speaker 2: bit more about the Buffalo Bills from now until three o'clock,

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Speaker 2: and of course we'll welcome you to join us as well.

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Speaker 2: Five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifteen thirty. Let's jump

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Speaker 2: right into the top sports stories happening right now. Austin. Yesterday,

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Speaker 2: I made an appearance on the New Heights podcast with

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Speaker 2: Jason and Travis Kelsey. Well sort of, right, didn't I

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Speaker 2: didn't make an appearance, right, my name did.

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Speaker 4: We've been trying to weasel you onto there for a while,

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Speaker 4: as it were, but they just keep big timing us, yep, Jason,

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Speaker 4: and then when they see it, they're.

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Speaker 2: Like, oh yeah, man, man, miss you. It's like old

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Speaker 2: what can we do? Jason yesterday outlined the story in

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Speaker 2: the Sugar Bowl. They were talking about Brian Kelly leaving

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Speaker 2: and Jason outlined the story of trying to block Carlos

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Speaker 2: Unloup that didn't go well. In turn, I got sacked

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Speaker 2: for it and Jason apologized, which was awesome. But there

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Speaker 2: was something else on that podcast that I listened to.

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Speaker 2: They had George Clooney on it. George Coloney is a

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Speaker 2: diehard Bengals fane. Travis said, you know, you've broke my

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Speaker 2: heart a couple times with the Bengals and the Chiefs,

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Speaker 2: and Travis, somep of the Bengals broke my heart because

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Speaker 2: they didn't draft me right out of their own backyard

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Speaker 2: and they went back and forth. But then Travis Kelce

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Speaker 2: said that in two and a half years with Taylor Swift,

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Speaker 2: they've never had an argument. I don't know if I

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Speaker 2: can buy that. Everyone has one every now and then, right,

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Speaker 2: I think there's a difference between a disagreement and an argument. Right, Okay,

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Speaker 2: surely there's a difference between those two things, I would think.

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Speaker 2: So I'm sure they've had disagreements. I don't know that

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Speaker 2: they've had arguments. That's fair, is it? I mean, I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to think is it an argument or is it

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Speaker 2: a disagreement of someone's just going to bed mad one night.

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Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, do to people that are

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Speaker 4: in grown up, mature relationships, have full blown arguments or

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Speaker 4: do you have disagreements in which you figure it out together?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think that the root of some arguments comes

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Speaker 2: down to money at times. I think money is a

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Speaker 2: very stressful thing in life, especially in today's economy.

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Speaker 4: I think that's fair.

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Speaker 2: And you know, one would argue that money's probably not

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Speaker 4: You know, I did see a tweet about this that

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Speaker 4: said I probably wouldn't argue either. If our combined net

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Speaker 4: one point six billion, valid which is a fair point.

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Speaker 2: That's a valid point. I probably wouldn't be arguing all

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Speaker 2: that much. Other new is it shootout week. We're gonna

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Speaker 2: talk to Keegan Nickison about this. But there's this post

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Speaker 2: going around Austin. Have you seen some of the things

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Speaker 4: No, let me give you some of these. Was I alive?

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Speaker 2: Well? Here we got what year was it. Gas prices

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Speaker 2: Here's some other stuff. Wes Miller. This says two thousand

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Speaker 2: have been six years old. Howkout this ahead? Wes Miller

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Speaker 4: Could he coach then George Diking Bush much better now

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Speaker 2: The first iPod, not the iPhone, the iPod came out.

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Speaker 4: Do you remember the ipodra? I? I remember Pod Mini,

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Speaker 4: the Nano, begging for one, and I remember my grandpa

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Speaker 2: Tom Brady was in the midst of his first Super

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Speaker 2: Bowl season. Blockbuster still had five thousand stores. Wow, the

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Speaker 2: original Xbox had been on the market for not even

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Speaker 4: Is the single Blockbuster still out there?

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Speaker 2: I think so? I think so.

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Speaker 4: That's like worth taking a trip. It would be phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: Shrek was released the same year You Got It Bad

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Speaker 2: by Usher was the top song.

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Speaker 4: That's a great song.

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Speaker 2: TSA Airport Security existed for less than a month. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Kirk Krisa a big reason for that. Yeah, was eleven

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Speaker 2: Wikipedia did not even exist yet.

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Speaker 4: That's amazing.

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Speaker 2: The last time you see one bend at the Centa,

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Speaker 2: was another video store too. There was Family Video, There

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Speaker 2: Going and running a video game, Man, what a day.

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Speaker 4: That was like I wish I could still do this day.

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Speaker 4: I also wish you still got a disc man. That

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Speaker 4: love the the what's the word. I'm looking for the

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Speaker 4: convenience of just having everything on the boom, download it, boom,

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Speaker 4: boom boom. That's great. However, that first time opening up

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Speaker 2: Oh Man, taking the seal off, that was cool.

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Speaker 4: We've talked for a long time about you and I competing, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: If my wife is listening, I'm still looking for a

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Speaker 2: I saw this. Now, I know you're not an Elf

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Speaker 2: I saw this guy on social media that is taking

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Speaker 2: the elf in front of his kids for everything. Sure,

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Speaker 2: so he went out and bought himself a PS five

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Speaker 2: and then that's funny, and then put the elf on

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Speaker 2: in the morning. The elf had a note that said,

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Speaker 2: I got your dad an early Christmas present. Dad just

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Speaker 2: bought it himself, blamed the ylf. Mom really don't have

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Speaker 2: anything to say about it.

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Speaker 4: As well, so mom can't say anything in that sense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now I'm thinking a little bit about this.

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Speaker 4: I like that idea.

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Speaker 2: I'm thinking a little bit about this.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 4: If I lived with someone, I would get enough on

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Speaker 4: the shelf just for my own personal entertainment phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: It's good. There are good days and then there are

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Speaker 2: of course wouldn't need to do any of that. Who's

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Speaker 2: was listening to some Busting with the Boys. Diego Pavia

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Speaker 2: right now Austin one, Diego Pavia is making this like

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Speaker 2: Heisman campaign. But he was talking about the exit meetings

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Speaker 2: Exit meting you go in, you talk to your coach.

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Speaker 2: Here's some things he did, well, here's some things you

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Speaker 2: want to work on, and let's get back to work.

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Speaker 2: Diego Pavia said the exit meeting that they went through.

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Speaker 2: Now you write down on a piece of paper what

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Speaker 2: the paper in. What a world. Right, Hey, here's the money.

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Speaker 2: just head elsewhere. But I did like this just insane.

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Speaker 2: And then Pete Thamil is now talking that Vanderbilt explored

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Speaker 2: as a way to give one final showcase for the

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Speaker 2: college football Playoff. There was interest from the team, university officials,

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Speaker 2: the athletic department, and the coaching staff. Famba went on

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Speaker 2: to say, at the end of the day, it just

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Speaker 2: was too late for this to happen. Is this something

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Speaker 2: Austin that you think we could see going forward? Not

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Speaker 2: only that Diego pave as a Heisman candidate, that's one

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Speaker 2: extra game he can play. We've talked yesterday about the

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Speaker 2: teams that are sitting idly by this week. Is that

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Speaker 2: something I believe they had reached out to Utah, they

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Speaker 2: Yeah, unsanctioned games.

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Speaker 4: There are no rules in college football. You're done right,

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Speaker 4: So you should never say never Like people are crazy

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Speaker 4: enough and the money is crazy enough. And yeah, finally,

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Speaker 4: it wouldn't surprise me at all.

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Speaker 2: Finally, this this clip of Scott Sadderfield from yesterday, and

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Speaker 2: he was talking about kind of the the coaching moves

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Speaker 2: in college football and and where teams are at. And

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Speaker 2: really Scott Saddlefield's comments were about the issues in place

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Speaker 2: but I'm gonna. I'm gonna speak up, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: take up for Ryan Day for a second here, you know,

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Speaker 2: because yesterday for Ryan Day, he lost his offensive coordinator,

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Speaker 5: Yes, there should be changes moving forward. I think everybody

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Speaker 2: on Cincy three to sixty on the Home of the Bengals,

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Speaker 2: All right, welcome back, Cincy three sixty thanks to Skyline

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Speaker 2: Chili Football in the Natty on ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's

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Speaker 2: Sports station. Have you gotten to the point yet, Austin,

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Speaker 2: on Buffalo this weekend.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Bill Barnwell wrote an article this morning for ESPN dot com.

435
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Speaker 2: He he listed the NFL players and coaches with currently

436
00:21:51,320 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 2: the most at stake. You know who number one is.

437
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,719
Speaker 2: It's not Sean McDermott, Joe Brady. I remember how much

438
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Speaker 2: we talked about Joe Brady and who he's been in

439
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 2: the excitement around I mean earlier this year you talked

440
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:07,159
Speaker 2: about Joe Brady as a potential head coaching candidate, but

441
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 2: he has struggled as of late. Now it's true that

442
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Speaker 2: I don't think they have a number one wide receiver

443
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Speaker 2: in Buffalo. And we'll get to some read and react

444
00:22:14,760 --> 00:22:16,680
Speaker 2: and talk more about that team. And I think Dalton

445
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,119
Speaker 2: Kincaid and his availability in this we are going to

446
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 2: be huge and we'll get to the reasons why. But

447
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 2: it's kind of falling apart for Joe Brady in this offense.

448
00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 2: They are I believe eighth in EPA since that New

449
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Speaker 2: England Patriots loss They've turned the ball over sixteen times

450
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Speaker 2: in eight games. That doubles their full season total from

451
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Speaker 2: last year. So they're turning the ball over more. They

452
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Speaker 2: don't have a true number one wide receiver. We've talked

453
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Speaker 2: about a game just a couple weeks ago where the

454
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Speaker 2: Texans sacked Josh Allen eight times. Talked about a team

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Speaker 2: right now that's kind of reeling with some injuries. This

456
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Speaker 2: is a make no mistake about it. If you're listening

457
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Speaker 2: to radio in Buffalo this week, this is a massive

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Speaker 2: game for the Buffalo Bills.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. And if you remember, we had the quote from

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Speaker 4: Sean McDermott earlier this week that said, we know our

461
00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 4: backs are against the wall, Like, yeah, they're eight and four,

462
00:23:12,040 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 4: they're in a spot to make the playoffs, but they

463
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Speaker 4: know that they have to be a better football team.

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Speaker 4: You want to know a crazy stat. I saw this

465
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Speaker 4: from our friend of the show, Joe Goodbary. The Bills

466
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Speaker 4: have a lower tackling grade on Pro Football Focus than

467
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Speaker 4: the Bengals. Oh my goodness, they have missed, that's impossible,

468
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Speaker 4: fifteen point four percent of their tackle attempts as a team.

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Speaker 4: The Bengals have missed thirteen point seven percent. Wow, So

470
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Speaker 4: the Bills have missed just under two percent more tackles

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Speaker 4: than the Bengals. That's insane, Like, you would never have

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Speaker 4: believed that. Now. I haven't watched every snap of every

473
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Speaker 4: Bills game. I've watched them enough to know that they

474
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Speaker 4: have some issues, But like, that's kind of crazy, right,

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Speaker 4: I mean? And also I think goes to show how

476
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Speaker 4: well the Bengals defense has figured it out over the

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Speaker 4: last three weeks.

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Speaker 2: That is a insane st is that ridiculous. I would

479
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Speaker 2: have never guessed that. Yeah, with how bad this team

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Speaker 2: has been at tackling, John is calling in, Hello.

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Speaker 3: John, Just hold on one second, guys, I'm making a

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Speaker 3: bet over in the Buffalo Cincinnati game on Sunday. That's

483
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Speaker 3: a good team could tackle with those two quarterbacks. Let's

484
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Speaker 3: score a lot of points up there.

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Speaker 2: That's a good bet.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I think.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 3: You know the interesting thing about the Ravens and Steelers.

489
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Speaker 3: They're treading in the wrong direction, and I think you

490
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Speaker 3: want to see them maybe split the two games they

491
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Speaker 3: play each other. That would give them each a seventh loss. Obviously,

492
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Speaker 3: the Bengals run the table they get to.

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Speaker 4: Nine and eight.

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Speaker 3: The other thing is Baltimore was a tough schedule. They

495
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Speaker 3: still have to play the Patriots, Packers, Yeah, Steelers twice

496
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Speaker 3: and the Bengals. Pittsburgh is a slightly easier schedule, but

497
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Speaker 3: they have to go to Cleveland, which is never easy,

498
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Speaker 3: and they also play the Lions, who were in content

499
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Speaker 3: for a playoff spot, and they have to play Baltimore twice.

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Speaker 4: I really think that the Bengals on the table.

501
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Speaker 3: They're going to get in at nine to eight, which

502
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Speaker 3: would be fantastic.

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Speaker 4: Basically, have to run the table in Baltimore and Pittsburgh

504
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 4: have to split with one another and lose one more

505
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Speaker 4: of those games.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you feel great.

507
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Speaker 4: They're in a better spot right now than they were

508
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Speaker 4: a year ago. It's crazy, oh.

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Speaker 3: A question, Yeah, because they did run the table last

510
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Speaker 3: year and they lost tie breaker with I forget which

511
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Speaker 3: team they had lost to all the Chargers, and they

512
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:30,840
Speaker 3: were a game behind the Chargers. So that was done

513
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Speaker 3: earlier in the season. The thing I wanted to chime in,

514
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Speaker 3: and this is coming from left field, is Kenny Anderson's

515
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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame did I actually worked with three of.

516
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Speaker 4: The Hall of Fame voters.

517
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Speaker 3: We had a radio show five ten years ago based

518
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Speaker 3: on the Hall of Fame. It was called Talk of Fame,

519
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Speaker 3: and I reached out to them. And the way this

520
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Speaker 3: works is there's fifty voters and you need forty votes

521
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Speaker 3: to get in. Now, in this group of five, they

522
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Speaker 3: can only vote for three at the most, So the

523
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Speaker 3: voters can only vote for three at the most. Last year,

524
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Speaker 3: Earling Shark was the only recipient out of the Veterans

525
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Speaker 3: Committee group, so they could have three of these players,

526
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Speaker 3: slash coaches, slash owners get into the Hall of Fame

527
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Speaker 3: this time around. Obviously, everybody thinks Belichick's a lock, but

528
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Speaker 3: in talking with some of the Hall of Fame voters,

529
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Speaker 3: there's a little apprehension the cheating scandal in two thousand

530
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Speaker 3: and six, obviously Spygate, and also the fact that they

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Speaker 3: think he may want to come back or I know

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Speaker 3: he wants to come back to the NFL. If there's

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Speaker 3: an inkling that he's coming back to the NFL, they'll

534
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Speaker 3: hold off and putting him into the Hall of Fame

535
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Speaker 3: because they kind of got burned with Joe Gibbs years ago.

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Speaker 4: He retired after.

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Speaker 3: Ninety two, and he came back in two thousand and four,

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Speaker 3: So you know, they Bill Parcells didn't get into his

539
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Speaker 3: first year of eligibility. The owner, Robert Kraft has been

540
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Speaker 3: so neaty trying to get into the Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 3: they may just push back against him. For theater, you

542
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Speaker 3: want to see Belichick and Craft get in together because

543
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Speaker 3: of their icy relationship. But in terms of the three

544
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Speaker 3: players that we're talking about, Elsie Greenwood would be the

545
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Speaker 3: eleventh different starter from the Steelers in the seventies to make.

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Speaker 4: The Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 3: I think they're over representative, to be quite honest with you,

548
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Speaker 3: and you look at Roger Craig. The forty nine Ers

549
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 3: in the eighties only have two offensive players in the

550
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 3: Hall of Fame, Joe Montan and Jerry Rice. I don't

551
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,520
Speaker 3: count Steve Young because we're more than nineties, So I

552
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 3: think Roger Craig is a real chance. As far as

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Speaker 3: Kenny Anderson, a comp that he played against would be

554
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: Bob Greasy, who's in the Hall of Fame. But Grease

555
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,080
Speaker 3: he won two Super Bowls. But Kenny Anderson was as

556
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Speaker 3: good a player as him, won four passing titles and

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Speaker 3: an MVP. And I think a reasonable comp of the

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Speaker 3: modern era is Drew Brees, accurate passer, tremendous passes. The

559
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Speaker 3: edge I get to Kenny Anderson is greasy. Played in Miami,

560
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 3: that's a lot easier to play than in Cincinnati, where

561
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Speaker 3: you're playing in a minus sixty nine win show game

562
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Speaker 3: against the Chargers. And obviously Breese played in a dome.

563
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Speaker 3: So I think Anderson does have a chance to get in.

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Speaker 3: It's going to depend on what happens with Belichick and Craft,

565
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Speaker 3: because then they can put three players in if so be.

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Speaker 3: But you need forty of the fifty votes to get in,

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Speaker 3: and no one knows what anyone's voting for because it's

568
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Speaker 3: done secretly, like uh, you know, like the.

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Speaker 2: Pope, secret balance, secret ballots. John, thank you so much. Man,

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Speaker 2: have a great one, you two guys. Yeah, very very

571
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Speaker 2: interesting as it relates to the dynamic of Kenny Anderson. Uh,

572
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Speaker 2: we'll get a break. Let's read and react as it

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Speaker 2: relates to Bengals Bills next. ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station.

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Speaker 1: You've been listening to Football in the NATI on ESPN

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Speaker 1: fifteen thirty, the official home of the Cincinnati Bengals.

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Speaker 2: Do you attend out?

577
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Speaker 4: Feel tempts now? He goes so? Does coat in there?

578
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Speaker 3: The way up Kaavy.

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Speaker 2: All right, wasn't much to choose from. That had to

580
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Speaker 2: be Cooper Flag. That was because I know they played

581
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Speaker 2: the Heat last night, and I believe leave the Mavericks

582
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 2: won the game.

583
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 4: They did three straight wins for Dallas. That was an

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Speaker 4: assist from Kentucky Wildcat Anthony Davis to Duke Blue Devil

585
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:14,880
Speaker 4: Cooper Flag. Wow, and man, I'm just our Win Schulers

586
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Speaker 4: call the night. Thanks are friends of Win Schulers. They're

587
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Speaker 4: four fantastic chief spreads. Pair well with anything this holiday

588
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 4: season and every holiday get together you may have. You know,

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Speaker 4: I just looked up that the final from the MAVs Heat,

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Speaker 4: and I looked up don't Don't Bulls are nine and twelve, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and first round draft pick out for the season with

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Speaker 4: shoulder surgery.

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00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 2: Didn't they like have the best start since like the

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Speaker 2: Jordan era. Yikes? Yep, all right, we're.

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Speaker 4: Just good man.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 4: As I've said before, when we win, we're going back

598
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Speaker 4: to the finals. When we lose, it's basketball season starts

599
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 4: in February.

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Speaker 2: Now, before we get to read and react, we buried

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Speaker 2: the lead today, which is we talked a lot of

602
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 2: Kyle Schoberg. Yesterday we didn't mention yet Today the Emelio

603
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: Pegan is back with the Reds. Yeah, are we happy

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00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 2: about that? I mean, he's now what the second highest

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Speaker 2: paid Red on a two year deal.

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Speaker 4: He's he's a good player. Okay, he pitched really well

607
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 4: last year. Okay, it seemed like a relatively good deal

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Speaker 4: for both sides. He is, by my count, the yes,

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Speaker 4: the he's actually the highest paid Red at the moment,

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Speaker 4: behind jam Or Candelario. But he's not a Red gosh

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Speaker 4: and soon to be Kyle Shwarer. So in terms of

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Speaker 4: money that's guaranteed the Reds players this year, Emilio Pagan

613
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Speaker 4: is at ten million. Jambers above that, Jambers at sixteen million.

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Speaker 4: Deal that was Hunter Green eight, Key, Brian Hayes seven,

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Speaker 4: Jose Travino five and down down the line.

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Speaker 2: Bengals Bills, Sunday afternoon. It's Thursday. Can we do a

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Speaker 2: little read and react.

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Speaker 4: Let's do some red and react. Still waiting on that.

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Speaker 4: React on the cool sound effects.

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Speaker 2: React for that, react react react.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully it sounds nothing like that, but here we go.

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Speaker 4: All right, we've talked about how good the Bengals have

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Speaker 4: been in the month of December. Oh, how about this

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Speaker 4: Joe Burrow Tony has the best career completion percentage seventy

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Speaker 4: one point one, pass yards per game two ninety six

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Speaker 4: point zero and passer rating one oh five point four

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Speaker 4: in December or later since the nineteen seventy merger. Wholl

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Speaker 4: Burrow has a seven eighty three win percentage in December

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Speaker 4: or later, the fourth highest of any quarterback since nineteen

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Speaker 4: seventy with at least fifteen such starts.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's seven eighty three. Is gonna have to go

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Speaker 2: to one thousand.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's impossible to get to a thousand if you've

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Speaker 4: already lost one.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna need that all the way up there West.

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Speaker 2: He hasn't lost in December yet this year. I'm talking

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Speaker 2: about this year, this year going forward.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that makes me.

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Speaker 2: We're going to be at one hundred. I think it's

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Speaker 2: it's such a testament to Joe Burrow and I look

641
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: back to last year. And that's what makes it even

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Speaker 2: more impressive to me, Austin, is it's not like we've

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Speaker 2: seen this Bengals team get to like December January and

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Speaker 2: just like be cruising for playoff seating. When I think

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Speaker 2: of Joe Burrow and the Bengals. It's playing to get

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Speaker 2: into the playoffs, especially last year, and that means high leverage,

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00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: high stakes, high stress games. And you're saying he's got

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Speaker 2: the best completion percentage, passing yards per game and passer

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Speaker 2: rating in December or later since nineteen seventy. That speaks

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Speaker 2: to a quarterback who is great when his team needs

651
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Speaker 2: him to be the most. No garbage, garbage stats for

652
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 2: Joe Burrow. His greatness is on display when the team

653
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 2: needs it the most.

654
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow is, now, this is a this is the statistic,

655
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 4: and I'm also going to quiz you at the end. Okay,

656
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:59,160
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow is two to zero against Josh Allen in

657
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 4: career head to have matchups, including the playoffs. Okay, he's

658
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 4: looking to become the second quarterback to be three and

659
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 4: oh or better versus Josh Allen. Who is the other

660
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 4: one who is four and oh against Josh Allen. So

661
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Speaker 4: I hear you typing, don't cheat?

662
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: Well, I was saying, so this year Josh Allen beat Mahomes,

663
00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 2: So it can't be Mahomes, right.

664
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Speaker 4: It's not Mahomes. This quarterback is four and oh.

665
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 2: Okay all time against Josh Allen looked, I looked at.

666
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Speaker 4: No longer is an active player.

667
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 2: Mahomes has Allen's beaten Mahomes four out of five in

668
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 2: the regular season, but has never beat him in the playoffs.

669
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Speaker 4: That's correct.

670
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Speaker 2: Yikes, Oh, man, I don't.

671
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 4: Know Tom Brady four and oh in his career against

672
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 4: Josh Allen, Joe Burrow trying to get to three and oh.

673
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: Now these I mean, it's not like Burrow plays against Allen.

674
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: He plays against the defense of the Bills. Sure, but again,

675
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Speaker 2: I go back to the high leverage, high stress that

676
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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow plays with. It seems like you get the

677
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Speaker 2: best Burrow against the best competition. Josh Allen is considered

678
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Speaker 2: one of the best in the league. Last year, he

679
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 2: was the MVP of the league. I would see this

680
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 2: Austin as a chance for Joe Burrow to say, hey,

681
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Speaker 2: you know what, I know, I missed a lot of

682
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Speaker 2: this year. I know Josh Allen won the MVP last year,

683
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 2: but let's not forget about me. I think that's what

684
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Speaker 2: he has a chance to do on Sunday.

685
00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 4: Speaking of Josh Allen, Josh has had four home games

686
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Speaker 4: with at least two hundred and thirty passing yards and

687
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 4: has averaged two hundred and seventy six point five passing

688
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 4: yards at home this season. That's the fourth highest in

689
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Speaker 4: the NFL in twenty twenty five. Okay, Allen's passer rating

690
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Speaker 4: of one fifteen point nine win playing at home is

691
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 4: the second highest among qualified quarterbacks. The Bengals are allowing

692
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,359
Speaker 4: two hundred and fifty six point eight passing yards per game,

693
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Speaker 4: the most in the NFL in twenty twenty five.

694
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Speaker 2: Bills have four losses this year. I believe the Patriots

695
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 2: at the only time they've lost at home. Everything else

696
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 2: has been on the road. It is just it's different

697
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: in Buffalo. You know, watch it all last week and

698
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 2: I know it didn't show in Josh Allen's passing stats.

699
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,040
Speaker 2: The wind in the conditions against the Steelers were insane

700
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Speaker 2: last week. That's different if you don't play in that

701
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 2: all the time. I genuinely think that Buffalo has an

702
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Speaker 2: advantage when it comes to home games late in the

703
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: year because of the weather in Orchard Park. Josh Allen

704
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: has managed that for much of his career, and he's

705
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Speaker 2: played in it the most, which I think just gives

706
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Speaker 2: him an unbelievable level of comfort. At home. Now, when

707
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: you do have that comfort at home, I think a

708
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 2: couple things go for it. Won the running game and

709
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: James Cook, I think is one of the most undervalued

710
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: running backs in the NFL. He should be talked about

711
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Speaker 2: more for how good he is. And the other is

712
00:35:49,160 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 2: a player that was questionable, but this team lacks playmakers.

713
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 2: Austin Dalton Kin Kate's health is massive for Josh Allen

714
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 2: because he's such a target for him. But it's playing

715
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: in those elements, being comfortable in them, but it's also

716
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:06,600
Speaker 2: being able to rely on a running game as well.

717
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 4: In my opinion, Joe Burrow has had thirteen games with

718
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:16,400
Speaker 4: at least thirty five pass attempts since the start of

719
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 4: last season, including forty six attempts on Thanksgiving Night against

720
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 4: the Ravens. Only Patrick Mahomes eighteen and Bo Nicks fourteen

721
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 4: have had more such games in that span. The Bengals

722
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 4: pass on sixty two point one percent of their plays

723
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,360
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty five, the fifth highest rate in the NFL.

724
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 2: I think this is one of the hardest stats to

725
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 2: judge because we're never going to have an understanding, Austin

726
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,520
Speaker 2: of what plays are actually called a pass out of

727
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: the huddle and what plays are checked two way pass

728
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 2: or many plays in the NFL you have a run

729
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 2: pass option tagged, so you've got a running play tag

730
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 2: but if you get a certain look, you can throw

731
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Speaker 2: the ball out to one of your receivers. I think

732
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 2: the pass attempts is hard to judge when it comes

733
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,919
Speaker 2: to the NFL because you just don't know on every play.

734
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: There's multiple plays called you have checks. Joe Burrow does

735
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 2: a lot at the line of scrimmage, I think, and

736
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 2: I'm I'm guilty of it as well. I get caught

737
00:37:13,600 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 2: up in it at times. In thirty two and a

738
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 2: half forty six for a game, the first game back

739
00:37:18,120 --> 00:37:20,439
Speaker 2: is a lot. But I do think Joe Burrow plays

740
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: a large role in how many times he throws the

741
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,000
Speaker 2: ball two more.

742
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 4: James Cook or he is the Bill's running back, ranks

743
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 4: second in the National Football League with twenty eight rushing yards.

744
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 4: He has already surpassed his previous career high of one

745
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 4: twenty two rushing yards, which he set in twenty twenty three.

746
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 4: I guess that's really just a fact. I don't know

747
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 4: that there's much to react to other than he he's

748
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 4: pretty damn good react to this. The Houston Texans sacked

749
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,280
Speaker 4: Josh Allen eight times. They didn't run the ball enough

750
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 4: last week against the Pittsburgh Steelers. What they do?

751
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 2: They gave James Cook thirty two carries and he ran

752
00:37:58,000 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 2: it for one hundred and forty four yards. And I

753
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 2: looked at this last night as well. I was talking

754
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:04,440
Speaker 2: about it. Ray Davis also got nine carries. So the

755
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 2: game after Josh Allen got sack day times. What was

756
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: Joe Brady's answer? They had fifty one rush attempts against

757
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 2: the Pittsburgh Steelers for two hundred and forty nine yards

758
00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: as a team only drop back to throw at twenty

759
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 2: three times. I as I said before, I think James

760
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 2: Cook's one of the most underrated backs in the National

761
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: Football League and I would expect a heavy dose of

762
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 2: him on Sunday.

763
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Speaker 4: Last one. Okay, Jamar Chase needs only twenty nine receiving

764
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,720
Speaker 4: yards insane to reach one thousand for the twenty twenty

765
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 4: five season. Chase would become only the fifth player in

766
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 4: NFL history to have one thousand or more receiving yards

767
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 4: in each of his first five seasons, joining Randy Moss.

768
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:49,080
Speaker 4: Justin Jefferson, Mike Evans, and Adriel Jeremiah Green.

769
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Speaker 2: Wow, it's weird because at times I don't even feel

770
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 2: like he's been as dominant this year, But you look

771
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,560
Speaker 2: at the stats and again he's right there and he's

772
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 2: done it, and I think it's the biggest testament to him.

773
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: He's done it for a large portion of the year

774
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 2: without Joe Burrow. He's done it with Jake Browning, he's

775
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 2: done it with Joe Flacco. And yet you pull up

776
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 2: the list of leaders in the National Football League, he's

777
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 2: fourth in receiving yards, fourth in receiving yards, second in receptions.

778
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 2: He leads all wide receivers. He's only second to Trey

779
00:39:23,080 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 2: McBride of the Arizona Cardinals, their tight end. It speaks

780
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 2: to the greatness of Jamar Chase because he's been able

781
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: to do it without Joe Burrow playing a majority of

782
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 2: the games.

783
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 4: What I think is interesting about Burrow being back is

784
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 4: we have seen, for the most part in his absence

785
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 4: Jamar Chase kind of work. The short yardage and intermediate yardage.

786
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 4: We saw pretty early on a couple of deep shots

787
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 4: to Jamar Chase with Joe Burrow. So I wonder if

788
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 4: we'll see more of that now. I don't know if

789
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 4: if the weather's going to allow such plays on Sunday

790
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,879
Speaker 4: against Baltimore against Buffalo, but I feel like that's kind

791
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,200
Speaker 4: of part of Jamar that they haven't unlocked yet this

792
00:40:05,360 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 4: year is a ton of the deep balls and him

793
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 4: stretching the field, and hopefully if Higgins is able to

794
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 4: go that creates he's got a more of an advantage. Yep,

795
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:15,160
Speaker 4: but I did. I do think that's something we haven't

796
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 4: seen a ton of so far this season.

797
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Speaker 2: Let's finish up the hour when we come back with

798
00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 2: just a few minutes of what Joe Burrow had to

799
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Speaker 2: say yesterday. We'll do that and then we'll turn it

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Speaker 2: to John Sharon at one o'clock on ESPN fifteen thirty

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Sports Station. Welcome back. It is since he three

802
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,280
Speaker 2: to sixty year listening on this the home of the Bengals,

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Speaker 2: ESPN fifteen thirty Cincinnati Sports Station. John Sheriff made his

804
00:40:38,440 --> 00:40:40,520
Speaker 2: esports covering the Bengals, will join us at one o'clock.

805
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 2: Before we get to that, a lot has been made

806
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Speaker 2: about the comeback of Joe Burrow. We're going to talk

807
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,320
Speaker 2: to Bob Manjeen later in the show about that today

808
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,760
Speaker 2: and just what goes into the comeback from a mental

809
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 2: and physical side of things. But one of the things

810
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 2: that has gone into this Joe Burrow comeback is that

811
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:58,440
Speaker 2: insert that he's wearing in his shoe. Joe Burrow spoke

812
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 2: about this yesterday. Here's what you had to say.

813
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 6: What is in your shoe and that's helping you with

814
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:04,439
Speaker 6: your toel?

815
00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:05,160
Speaker 1: Exactly?

816
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 7: Carbon fiber plate and custom orthought.

817
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: What how does that help your your toil?

818
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 7: Well, they just can't shoe can't bend it because my

819
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 7: toe can't go backwards right now, still a little early

820
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 7: for that, So just keeps it firm and not bending

821
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 7: it back.

822
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 4: Is it comfortable?

823
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 8: No?

824
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 4: Are you wearing different cleats now than you were before.

825
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 7: Before the injury? Yeah? Yeah, these are the ones that

826
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 7: I feel like give me enough space and stability to

827
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 7: do what I need to do.

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Speaker 2: Do you walk around in different shoes just like at home?

829
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 7: At home, I'm just barefoot, but yeah, I try to

830
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 7: be in the cleats as little as possible.

831
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: Did you settle on the sneakers being like the swapping

832
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 2: out and kinda why didn't you figure out that was

833
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 2: a good solution for you on the sideline.

834
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 7: Well, I take it off throughout practice every now and

835
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 7: then just to let it breathe and let it relax

836
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 7: a little bit. And these are what I put on,

837
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,720
Speaker 7: So I figured I'd just keep it the same.

838
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 6: Whether obviously it was cold in Baltimore, but it's supposed

839
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 6: to be like really cold in Buffalo. Does that impact

840
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,560
Speaker 6: the shoe work and what's in it and your toe

841
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 6: at all or not?

842
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 1: Really? We shouldn't.

843
00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: How difficult was it to get used to the insert.

844
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Speaker 8: It was certainly a process to figure out what worked

845
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 8: best for me and what was most comfortable and at

846
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:44,480
Speaker 8: the same time safe. But we we worked through that

847
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 8: and a lot of different people were involved and we

848
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:48,319
Speaker 8: got the right.

849
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Speaker 7: Stuff on there.

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00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 2: So that is what Joe Burr had to say. Obviously

851
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 2: it's not comfortable, or else you wouldn't be changing in

852
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 2: and wearing shoes on the uh on the sideline. But

853
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 2: a little as to go as it's not just showing

854
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,560
Speaker 2: up in the cleats on and plane. There's a lot

855
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 2: that is going into Joe Burrow and his availability to

856
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 2: get back and play for this team. Good insight there.

857
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 2: Also loved his insight on Lane Kiffin because he didn't

858
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 2: really have much to say about Lane Kiffin. He's a

859
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: good coach, a good coach. Didn't know much about the process.

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Speaker 2: I could have filled him in on some of that

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Speaker 2: if he needed any of that. John Scheron will fill

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Speaker 2: us in on the rest formata E sports covering the

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals will do so. To kick off our number

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Speaker 1: improved iHeartRadio app. Free never sounded so good, ESPN fifteen

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