1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: It's time for our weekly Pac twelve conversation with San 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Jose Mercury News reporter John Wilner, brought to you by 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: Simply Seattle. 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Yes, John, 14 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: are you there? 15 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 4: Are you? 16 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 2: Are you drowning? 17 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:46,159 Speaker 5: I got you? 18 00:00:46,159 --> 00:00:46,879 Speaker 6: Got got me? 19 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 2: There we go. That's that's that's better. 20 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 3: Sometimes, you know, the phone's and the phone gets a little 21 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 3: it gets a little crazy. So, uh, you know, John, 22 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 3: we were we were talking earlier today to to Mike 23 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 3: de Coursey. We're kind of transitioning into the big games 24 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 3: in collllege basketball, moving towards March Madness, which, believe it 25 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 3: or not, is only three weeks away. 26 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 2: I mean it is coming quick. 27 00:01:07,120 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 3: And you talked about wanting to push the college basketball 28 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:11,920 Speaker 3: season back a little bit later. 29 00:01:12,000 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 2: Talk about why you want to do that. 30 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,919 Speaker 5: Yeah, this has been a a little project of mine 31 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 5: for years, is getting them to move. You know, the 32 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,280 Speaker 5: season used to start Thanksgiving weekend with like the Great 33 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 5: Alaski Shootout and the Maui Invitational, and over time it 34 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 5: has moved up in next year. I think that the 35 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 5: season openers next year like November two, And I just 36 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 5: think there is too much overlap between college basketball and 37 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 5: the football season, both the college and the NFL. And 38 00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 5: that's problematic for college basketball because it's a good product, 39 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 5: but it gets lost when football is rolling. And if 40 00:01:56,240 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 5: Roger Goodell gets his way and the NFL adds an 41 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,800 Speaker 5: eighteenth game and they pushed the Super Bowl back another 42 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 5: week into February, there's going to be even a smaller 43 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 5: window for college basketball to kind of shine and be 44 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 5: on center stage. So my whole thing is start it later, 45 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 5: started in late November or early December, make it a 46 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 5: one semester sport, and move the start of the tournament 47 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,919 Speaker 5: back to the end of March. You can still call 48 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 5: it March Madness, but that way you'd have more of 49 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:32,239 Speaker 5: your premier product available when there's more eyeballs on it. 50 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 7: So that's the John Wilner plan. Is there anybody talking 51 00:02:37,120 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 7: about that or where the roadblocks to it? 52 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 2: What's that? 53 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 6: It is terrible? 54 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 5: I mean, I haven't they There is very little. As 55 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 5: far as I know, there's very little movement to change it. 56 00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 5: Part of that is because everybody in college basketball is 57 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 5: so you know, they like having March Madness. They just 58 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 5: the whole month, the way the tournaments, you know, conference 59 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,960 Speaker 5: championship week and the two weeks of conference championships and 60 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 5: then the tournament. It's like college basketball is March. Okay, 61 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,120 Speaker 5: that's fine, but you could also have early April because 62 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 5: there's still not that much going on in early April. 63 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 5: Right Opening Days is one day. I don't think that 64 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 5: MLB is a huge impediment to March Madness. As long 65 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,079 Speaker 5: as you're done before the NBA playoffs start, I think 66 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 5: it's fine. A lot of people say, oh, well, you 67 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 5: know the Master, CBS wants the Final Four where it 68 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 5: is because the Masters and you can't play this, you know, 69 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 5: the earlier rounds. But the amount of time that the 70 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 5: Masters is actually on CBS on that Saturday and Sunday 71 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 5: is not all that much. The biggest issue would be advertising, 72 00:03:49,320 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 5: because I have been told that the TV advertisers they 73 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 5: block their spending in three month increments, and so you know, 74 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 5: they spend and a lot in March for the first quarter, 75 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 5: and then you'd have to convince them to hold some 76 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 5: money to also spend on the NCAA's in April when 77 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 5: they actually want to spend it on the NBA. So 78 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 5: that's like a business side obstacle. But you know, they 79 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 5: could move it back. They could still move it back 80 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 5: a couple of weeks. 81 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 3: John, the Huskies are zero to four in games decided 82 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 3: by four points or less. I mean that this could 83 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:32,279 Speaker 3: be a far different season if even two, let alone 84 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 3: three or four of those games go differently. 85 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:35,400 Speaker 2: And I'm wondering. 86 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 3: You wrote a piece and I think you alluded to 87 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 3: it last week when you were on about the compounding 88 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 3: factor of the UDUB and the other West Coast PAC 89 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 3: twelve former Pac twelve teams traveling in this big ten, 90 00:04:49,160 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, God, you look at the Huskies in 91 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: these close games. It might not only just be an 92 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 3: injured team, but a fatigued team that can't get over 93 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 3: the top of those close games. And instead of you know, 94 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 3: five and eleven. They can be eight and eight, nine 95 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:04,679 Speaker 3: and seven and be right there. 96 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I'm they've only had four games decided 97 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,840 Speaker 5: by that fuel points, you know, a lot, four conference games, 98 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 5: four conference games out of what has it been, fifteen sixteen, 99 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 5: you know, Yeah, so you know, fatigue to be a 100 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 5: factor with that, with the injuries. Oregon's had a ton 101 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 5: of injuries. Now, I'm not going to blame all the 102 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 5: injuries on the travel, but I do think when you're 103 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 5: going to the Eastern and Central time zones three four times, 104 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 5: it's harder each time. It takes more of a toll 105 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 5: each time, and then you've got to go back for 106 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 5: the conference tournaments, you know. And it's not just it's 107 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 5: just it's not just Washington. I mean, if you look 108 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 5: at how all four teams have played on the road 109 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,679 Speaker 5: in the Big Ten over the course of what's almost 110 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,119 Speaker 5: two years now, it's not very good. 111 00:05:58,520 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: And you know the. 112 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:03,839 Speaker 5: Other issue is and mc cronin, as much as he 113 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 5: complains about travel, he does have a good point. Sometimes 114 00:06:08,640 --> 00:06:11,679 Speaker 5: the way the Big Ten schedules is Washington will come 115 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 5: back from a trip or UCLA will come back from 116 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 5: a trip, and they'll play a Big Ten team that 117 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 5: has already been on the West coast, playing Oregon or 118 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 5: playing USC. Right, so Washington comes home after a trip 119 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 5: and they're playing say Nebraska, and Nebraska was just in 120 00:06:27,839 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 5: Eugene for three days. Nebraska's actually had less travel than 121 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 5: Washington in that case. 122 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 7: John Wilner with US at Wilner Hotline on X and 123 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 7: John Dick may pull you back to basketball, but I'm 124 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 7: looking at your articles. One you wrote this weekend the 125 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:49,159 Speaker 7: headline assessing the top offensive transfers for the PAC twelve 126 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,880 Speaker 7: Legacy schools. Well, I know that's Washington that's involved in 127 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,160 Speaker 7: us on the football side here just kind of tell us, 128 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 7: tell us to take away with a little bit of 129 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 7: a key towards the Huskies about that calm. 130 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,920 Speaker 5: Well, that was actually authored by my buddy Brandon Hoffman 131 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 5: from twenty four to seven sports, and his big thing 132 00:07:11,320 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 5: was Jaden Lamar. Jaden Lamar is going to be a 133 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 5: big deal for the Huskies, right, And that's a Seattle 134 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 5: kid goes to Oregon, you know, reversus course, and now 135 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 5: he's coming home and he's gonna with with Coleman Levin 136 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 5: and Mohammed's leaving. You know, Lamar's probably gonna be the guy, right, 137 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 5: So that's a big He's a big deal for Washington's 138 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 5: success in the in the fall. I mean, I know 139 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:41,840 Speaker 5: they've got several holes, they got a plug, but certainly 140 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 5: having a playmaker in the backfield, it would be a 141 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 5: big deal. And he's got a ton of talent. He 142 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 5: just didn't end up playing that much for Oregon down 143 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 5: the stretch because Oregon had so many good running backs. 144 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 5: So you know, like a lot of kids, he's he's 145 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 5: going home for a little bit of a second chance. 146 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 3: John, you wrote a piece about DeMont Williams contract that 147 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: we didn't get to in yesterday's or in last week's 148 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 3: conversation entitled behind the Contract that stopped Demand Williams from transferring. 149 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: Give us some of the lowdown in what you found 150 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: out from that contract. 151 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 5: Well, what I did is I reached out to so 152 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 5: you know, in case there's any any of your listeners 153 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 5: don't understand exactly what happened the contract. The revenue sharing 154 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 5: contract that Washington used with Demant Williams was based on 155 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 5: a template that was provided by the Big Ten office. 156 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 5: The Big Ten gave all eighteen schools a template and 157 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,319 Speaker 5: you could adjust it to suit your specific situation with 158 00:08:40,800 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 5: a given player, but the basic framework was the same 159 00:08:44,559 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 5: for all eighteen schools. And that framework basically held the 160 00:08:50,440 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 5: players held Demon Williams to their word, and if he left, 161 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 5: he was, based on the terms of the contract, he 162 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 5: was going to have to, you know, basically pay back 163 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 5: the four million dollars. And so it was written in 164 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:08,319 Speaker 5: a way by the Big Ten and I reached out 165 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 5: to the Big Ten's legal council, their their general counsel 166 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 5: about it. And the way it was written specifically was 167 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 5: to hold both sides accountable so that a player could not, say, 168 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,680 Speaker 5: sign a repshare contract and then go to another school. 169 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 5: And that's exactly what we saw with Duke Darien Mensa, 170 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 5: Duke's quarterback, signed a revenue share contract, but it wasn't 171 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,600 Speaker 5: as air tight as what the Big Ten did, and 172 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 5: so Mensa was able to negotiate his way out and 173 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,959 Speaker 5: he's now at Miami. So Miami basically takes a quarterback 174 00:09:43,960 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 5: from Duke because the contract was not rock solid enough. 175 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 5: Williams had to stay in Washington because that contract was 176 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:52,960 Speaker 5: air tight. 177 00:09:53,720 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 7: Airtight in the sense had he the only option he 178 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 7: would have had, let's just say in a hype pathetical 179 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,800 Speaker 7: world wink wink. LSU had said to him after he 180 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 7: signed that, hey, we'll pay you a six million. So 181 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 7: then now he Demond is thinking, well, I can I 182 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 7: can play for six million and all the advantages there 183 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 7: at LSU. But based on the contract, I mean, Demon 184 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 7: Williams is now the four million. So LSU's gonna have 185 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 7: to pay four million to Washington plus the six million. Now, 186 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,960 Speaker 7: all of a sudden, he becomes a ten million dollar quarterback. 187 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:33,959 Speaker 7: And with revenue sharing, nobody's worth ten million. I mean, 188 00:10:34,480 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 7: Vernanda Mendoza isn't worth ten million. John Elway isn't worth 189 00:10:37,200 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 7: ten million? Is that generally the gist of it? Or 190 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,439 Speaker 7: or is there some other item attendant to all of this? 191 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 5: Well that's the plus one more thing, which is, according 192 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 5: to the rules of the revenue sharing LSU would then 193 00:10:52,440 --> 00:10:57,520 Speaker 5: have the amount of the buyout docked from their revenue 194 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:00,840 Speaker 5: share allotment for next year. They would have had to 195 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 5: pay Washington, Hey Williams and then also been out the 196 00:11:05,520 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 5: four million. So it would have been a huge hurdle 197 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 5: financially for LSU or in Miami or whoever wherever he 198 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 5: would have gone. Because of that additional component in the 199 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 5: settlement on the house lawsuit. So it was an exorbitant 200 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 5: expense for LSU not worth it. And then of course 201 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 5: Williams and his inner circle were not going to want 202 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:34,600 Speaker 5: to take the hit either, And that was the beauty 203 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,400 Speaker 5: of the way the Big Ten wrote the contract. 204 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 2: John. 205 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 3: We found out over the weekend at UCLA will play 206 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:43,880 Speaker 3: in the Rose Bowl in twenty twenty six for their 207 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 3: home games. Is this just kicking the can down the 208 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,840 Speaker 3: road or is there a potential that could continue past 209 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:50,760 Speaker 3: twenty twenty six. 210 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:52,800 Speaker 5: Well, I think it's going to continue. 211 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 4: Pass. 212 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 5: It was a you know, a slight development in their 213 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 5: lawsuit with the city that favors favors Pasadena. Basically in 214 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 5: the long run here UCLA, it's simple, it's a money 215 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 5: issue for them. They think that they could get more 216 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 5: money for a home game because the suits at Sofi Stadium, 217 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 5: and they think that they could get you know, fifteen 218 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 5: to twenty million more per home games. So I think 219 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 5: that this is going to end up with them being 220 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 5: in the Rose Bowl, which to me is the right move. 221 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 5: I think that going to Sofi would further cast UCLA 222 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 5: into irrelevance in the LA sports market. To be honest 223 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 5: with you, I think that they have an identity with 224 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 5: the Rose Bowl and they would lose that. And plus 225 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 5: a lot of UCLA fans aren't gonna have any more 226 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 5: interest in going to SOFI than they are in going 227 00:12:45,920 --> 00:12:46,720 Speaker 5: to the Rose Bowl. 228 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 7: John Wilder with us, John, I want you to imagine 229 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 7: you're in a bar. You're sitting with a bunch of 230 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 7: Husky fans, me and Dick and SOFTI and others, and 231 00:12:57,120 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 7: we got a purple hat. We're just with honking exactly 232 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 7: the Hanks, And we got our purple hats on and 233 00:13:02,480 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 7: our sweatshirts and all, and we're having a beer. And 234 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 7: you say, and you say at some point, you know, 235 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 7: I'm not sure if you guys are thinking about this, 236 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 7: but something I think you should be thinking about is blank. 237 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 7: What's the blank in that conversation out of the mouth 238 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 7: of John Wilner. 239 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 5: Oh boy, that's a good question. I think that it 240 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 5: would be something that has to do with the Big 241 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 5: Ten and the future of the Big Ten and U 242 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:41,240 Speaker 5: dubs place in the landscape. You know, and you guys 243 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 5: have probably thought about this stuff already, but you know, 244 00:13:44,120 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 5: to me, we are very close, much closer than people 245 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:53,319 Speaker 5: think to the next chapter in college sports starting to unfold, right, 246 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:57,880 Speaker 5: because the Big Tens TV deal ends in the after 247 00:13:57,920 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 5: the twenty nine football season. Well, you know, realignment and expansion, 248 00:14:03,800 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 5: that stuff doesn't just happen in the blink of an eye. 249 00:14:06,760 --> 00:14:11,560 Speaker 5: It happens the years in advance. And so I think 250 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:16,120 Speaker 5: we're only this is early twenty six. We're probably eighteen 251 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 5: months twenty four months max away from the Big Ten 252 00:14:21,600 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 5: and its TV partners and the schools starting to have 253 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 5: quiet conversations about what's next. And you know, is Washington 254 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 5: going to be a part of what's next? And what 255 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 5: role is Washington gonna have? How is the Big Ten 256 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,840 Speaker 5: gonna distribute its revenue over time? Is Washington and to 257 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 5: get to a one hundred percent share? Those are the 258 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 5: kind of things that have to be decided, and it's 259 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 5: going to happen. The decisions are going to be made 260 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 5: very quietly in back rooms long before we get to 261 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 5: twenty thirty, when the next contract cycle starts. 262 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 3: Why wouldn't Washington a part of what's next? I mean, 263 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,800 Speaker 3: they're a top third program in the cunt in the 264 00:15:04,360 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 3: Big Ten. 265 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 5: Well I would think that they will be, but I 266 00:15:09,960 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 5: don't think Washington should assume anything in terms of the 267 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 5: commitment to winning. Like Washington, and it's the same with 268 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 5: all the schools. You have got to do everything you 269 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,320 Speaker 5: can win and be relevant in the next two or 270 00:15:23,360 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 5: three years. We don't know for sure that there will 271 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,600 Speaker 5: be a Big Ten in the mid twenty thirties, right correct. 272 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 5: There's a chance that Ohio State and Michigan are gonna decide, 273 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,119 Speaker 5: you know what, let's team up with Texas and Alabama 274 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:40,440 Speaker 5: and Georgia and Notre Dame and we're going to form 275 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 5: a league of twenty four to thirty two teams. And 276 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 5: you'd think Washington would be in that group. You don't 277 00:15:47,880 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 5: know for sure. That's the thing, and that's not there's 278 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 5: a non zero chance of that happening, that's the thing. 279 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,120 Speaker 5: It's not it's probably not likely, but the chance is 280 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 5: above zero. So Washington has got to take the mentality of, 281 00:16:02,040 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 5: you know, we cannot leave anything to chance in what 282 00:16:05,880 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 5: we do with our football program for the next three 283 00:16:08,480 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 5: or four seasons. 284 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 7: And that that scenario, that that does not involve Michigan 285 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 7: and Ohio State and whatever the quote unquote blue bloods 286 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 7: of the Big Ten, that that's not joined in the SEC. 287 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 7: That's the creation of a new entity as you're describing, correct. 288 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 5: Or No, I don't see them joining the SEC. My 289 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 5: thought all along has been that it would be the 290 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 5: top schools leaving to form something new, yes, and not 291 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 5: either cutting out like I don't see the Big Ten 292 00:16:43,400 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 5: booting Minnesota and Northwestern and Purdue. Right, it's not a 293 00:16:48,320 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 5: it's not a kicking out or an ex spelling. It's 294 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 5: we're going to leave you behind, and we are going 295 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 5: to form this very elite entity with the backing of 296 00:16:58,760 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 5: private equity and a couple of TV networks and maybe 297 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:06,199 Speaker 5: even you know, on Netflix, and we're going to just 298 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 5: basically invite two dozen members to join us and leave 299 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 5: everybody be home, everybody behind behind. 300 00:17:16,160 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 7: There's something just fundamentally wrong right down the spine of 301 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:24,080 Speaker 7: that plan, because if you're talking about accumulating all the 302 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 7: blue bloods that have traditionally won for decades and decades, 303 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 7: for every win in a game that Ohio State has, 304 00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 7: Minnesota who you describe they have a loss, well, Purdue 305 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 7: has a loss for every time Alabama has won a game, 306 00:17:37,320 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 7: Mississippi State or Vanderbilt has lost a game. So you've 307 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 7: got the all these fan bases that are used to winning. 308 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 7: You throw them all together, guess what, half of them 309 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 7: are going to be winners and half of them are 310 00:17:48,119 --> 00:17:51,600 Speaker 7: going to be losers. And how are those those teams, 311 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,959 Speaker 7: those programs that have for decades, even a century or 312 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 7: more been winners all the time. Now they are after 313 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 7: a five or ten year period, they're in the bottom half, 314 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 7: or they are the losingess team in this new entity. 315 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 7: And then how is the support gonna be for them? 316 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:08,640 Speaker 3: Then? 317 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 7: With with respects to nil and being able to be 318 00:18:12,880 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 7: you know, competitive on the field. I mean, I just 319 00:18:15,040 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 7: think there's a fundamental problem with this model. 320 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 5: There's a lot of folks who do believe that the 321 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 5: Texas will not ever enter into any kind of agreement 322 00:18:27,240 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 5: where the chances are it's going to be six and 323 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:33,439 Speaker 5: six every year. But I would say that the money 324 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 5: would be so enormous that a lot of them would 325 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 5: feel they have no choice because at that point, the 326 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 5: players have got a union, they have collectively bargained they 327 00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 5: are getting forty to forty five percent of the revenue. 328 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 5: It's and a salary. It's a whole different model. That's 329 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 5: how you do that, well, that's how and the schools 330 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 5: will be forced to take this money because of the 331 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 5: change and the economic uh you know landscape, which is 332 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,880 Speaker 5: you know, we're just in this is like the awkward 333 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 5: teenage years for college sports right now, this transition, it's 334 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 5: gonna become a mature entity. It's probably gonna take it 335 00:19:15,320 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 5: on their six or eight or ten years. But that 336 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 5: mature entity is going to be a professional business with 337 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 5: you know, like you said, contracts like the NFL Players 338 00:19:25,080 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 5: Association has, and the schools are gonna have to take 339 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,080 Speaker 5: the money because it's gonna be an enormous amount of money. 340 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:33,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're exactly right, and and I think 341 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,959 Speaker 3: Hugh is right to bring up that concern. I just 342 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 3: think I just think that is the way this is heading. 343 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:44,480 Speaker 3: We're gonna have two college football championships. We're gonna have 344 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 3: the Division A College Football Championship. We're gonna have the 345 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 3: Division B College Football champions We're already staying that with 346 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 3: you know, the group of sixes is gonna you know, 347 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,960 Speaker 3: it's gonna have a commissioner and they're gonna break away 348 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 3: at some point. But I think the salary cap and 349 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 3: the collective bargain agreement is the answer, John, because then 350 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 3: it's up to each individual school. You got to find 351 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,199 Speaker 3: the coach that can coach the kids up the best, 352 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 3: and you got to find the general manager i e. 353 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:17,520 Speaker 3: John Schneider at the college level that can get players 354 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,200 Speaker 3: in and not go over the salary cap. That's how 355 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,560 Speaker 3: you're not six and six every year because it's a 356 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 3: it's a totally different rule book that you're following. 357 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,960 Speaker 5: It is and the NFL, right, I mean, with the 358 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 5: draft and the schedule, the NFL is geared toward parody 359 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:38,600 Speaker 5: and giving everybody a chance to go from you know what, 360 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,880 Speaker 5: three and fourteen to fourteen and three. College football has 361 00:20:42,920 --> 00:20:46,159 Speaker 5: never been like that. But and I don't know that 362 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 5: it ever will necessarily even in a super league situation. 363 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:52,879 Speaker 5: But you're right there. You're gonna have to just be 364 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 5: better at evaluating talent and developing talent than the other guys, 365 00:20:58,760 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 5: and it's gonna be are an incredible personnel department. 366 00:21:02,160 --> 00:21:03,880 Speaker 7: Yeah, I can see it happening. I Mean, the answer 367 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 7: to all your questions is money. 368 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:06,399 Speaker 2: I get it. 369 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,800 Speaker 7: Uh, but I just think you know it's going to 370 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 7: be uh slapping the face guys. When you know all 371 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 7: of these winners, these traditional winners, they are built on 372 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 7: the backs of losers. And now Indiana the Hoosiers were 373 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 7: one of those losers, right and and and they flipped 374 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 7: the tail obviously, so you know, you can you can 375 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:27,359 Speaker 7: switch it around. But at the end of the you 376 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:30,720 Speaker 7: know a period of time, you know, there's gonna be 377 00:21:30,760 --> 00:21:32,880 Speaker 7: some team that's really done a lot of winning that's 378 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 7: gonna say what, we're the losing this team in this 379 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 7: new week over the last ten years. Yeah, and then 380 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 7: do you know do we want Are we getting all 381 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,359 Speaker 7: the donations that we thought we would be getting. 382 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,439 Speaker 3: No, that's that's right, John. We gotta let you go. 383 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 3: We gotta run to a break. But great stuff, man, 384 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 3: We appreciate it, and we'll chat at you next week. 385 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 5: That's good. 386 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:55,400 Speaker 2: Thanks guys, Thanks man, Johnny Willner. 387 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 3: As always, we'll come back, get jump on the Seahawk 388 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 3: train again and talk a little at JSN when we 389 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 3: come back on ninety three point three KJFM. 390 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 8: This is Duke of Duke Seafood and this hour is 391 00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 8: brought to you by Duke Seafood. Why don't you make 392 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,479 Speaker 8: it at Duke's Night tonight. Reserve your table today at 393 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,399 Speaker 8: dukeseafood dot com. Now back to Softy and Dick on 394 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 8: Sports Radio ninety three point three KJR FM. 395 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 9: Donald and the gun gets the snap, four man rush, 396 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:25,160 Speaker 9: moves up, backpedals, throws in so quick touchdown car shide 397 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 9: Chickson Smith and jigbab Then Seattley's crabbed the lead on 398 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 9: a fourteen yard touchdown reception by one of the great 399 00:22:33,320 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 9: young receivers in pro football. 400 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 3: Checkson Smith and jigbab Ah best in the biz right there. 401 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 2: Call him the best in the biz. 402 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 3: Kevin Harland on Jackson Smith and Jigba's touchdown. Here's the quote, Hugh, 403 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,919 Speaker 3: that's making its rounds. You actually tip me off to 404 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:49,400 Speaker 3: this quote. 405 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:49,719 Speaker 2: I was. 406 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 3: I was busy on golf courses at junior tournaments on 407 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 3: this weekend, and you tip me off on this quote 408 00:22:57,160 --> 00:23:00,639 Speaker 3: from JSN. I'm really not too pressed right now to 409 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 3: get it done. I know my timing is coming, and 410 00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,800 Speaker 3: when we get it done, it's going to be a 411 00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:07,439 Speaker 3: great deal. And you know, God's timing is perfect timing, 412 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,280 Speaker 3: So whenever that may come, we'll be ready for it. 413 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 3: And I think I believe I deserve to be the 414 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:16,480 Speaker 3: highest paid in my position just what I give to 415 00:23:16,520 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 3: the game and the community. 416 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 2: You know, I give it my all, and that's worth 417 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 2: a lot. 418 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 3: So two questions there, you question number one is he 419 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 3: right about what he says? And question number two should 420 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,360 Speaker 3: he have said that publicly? So you can take those 421 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:34,400 Speaker 3: in any order. 422 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, well I think he's right. And certainly if 423 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 7: you consider you know, you know, the guy who signs 424 00:23:44,560 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 7: the highest contract isn't always the best. I mean, we've 425 00:23:47,920 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 7: had people that have surpassed Patrick Mahomes, you know, and 426 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 7: there's a long history of that, so we understand that 427 00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 7: it's not necessarily who's best, it's who's next and Jackson 428 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 7: Smith and Jig but next right, Jamar Chase, he's at 429 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 7: forty point twenty five million, uh, significantly ahead of Justin 430 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 7: Jefferson at thirty five million, the second seed Lamb thirty four, 431 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 7: dk Metcalf at thirty three million. So that kind of 432 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 7: gives you a picture of where we're gonna be. It's 433 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 7: gonna be at least forty million. Now the salary cap 434 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 7: had been two seventy nine next year. It hasn't been 435 00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 7: determined for this year, but it's expected to be somewhere 436 00:24:29,119 --> 00:24:31,520 Speaker 7: in the three oh one to three h five rings, right, 437 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 7: So you know, as a percentage of the cap. You know, 438 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 7: it might be more level with Jamar Chase depending on 439 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 7: how it goes, but you really have you can you 440 00:24:43,040 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 7: consider and play hardball and drag this out, or you 441 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:50,240 Speaker 7: could just say, let's get this thing done and uh. 442 00:24:50,640 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 7: And you know, if I can't understand how anybody would 443 00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 7: not want to have him, not want to resign him, 444 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 7: I suppose that's an option for you. But you want 445 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 7: to be able to go to your players and say, look, 446 00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 7: we draft you, and you do things the right way 447 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:10,119 Speaker 7: and you perform at a level, you're going to resign 448 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 7: as a Seattle Seahawk. And I think that's very important 449 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 7: for morale. So I think other players are going to 450 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 7: be watching how Seattle deals with JSN. 451 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,200 Speaker 3: I believe that the wide receiver position is the most 452 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 3: overpriced position of any in the NFL, and that's happened 453 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 3: over the last five years because the I saw a chart, 454 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 3: the magnitude of the increase at the wide receiver position 455 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 3: versus all other positions has been completely out of whack. 456 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 2: And it worries me a little bit. 457 00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 3: Not that I would say no to re signing Jackson 458 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 3: Smith and Jigma, but I will tell you that the 459 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 3: top ten wide receivers in salary this season combined one 460 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 3: one playoff game, one playoff game. All those players are 461 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 3: on either crappy teams or mediocre teams. So it's dangerous 462 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 3: when you start paying a wide receiver forty plus million dollars. 463 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 3: And that was my thing with DK Metcalf, not that 464 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:17,680 Speaker 3: I didn't like DK Metcalf. I was like, I don't 465 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:20,480 Speaker 3: want to pay a wide receiver forty million dollars. And 466 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 3: you know these are the Metcalf versus in JIGBA. I mean, 467 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 3: Charles Davis was on with with MJ and the Midday 468 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 3: Lot not long ago, and his quote was the DK 469 00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:33,199 Speaker 3: trade allowed js and to flourish as the number one receiver. 470 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,919 Speaker 2: Is that Is that a fair statement by Charles Davis? 471 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 7: You you think, well, I think given the season that 472 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 7: JASN had, I mean, I think all all signs are 473 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 7: going to lean towards JSN. I think it is. You know, 474 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 7: one thing we never saw was an offense with DK 475 00:26:56,119 --> 00:27:00,959 Speaker 7: Metcalf JSN. Sam Darnold is the quarterback Clint Kubiak as 476 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 7: a play call. We don't know how potent that offense 477 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 7: may have been for the duration of nineteen or twenty 478 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 7: games or what have you. But you know, I think 479 00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:15,399 Speaker 7: you say you you singled out the top ten and said, okay, 480 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 7: they had to combine one playoff win. What if you 481 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 7: take the last ten Super Bowl winners and say, okay, 482 00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 7: did they have an elite receiver? I know that that. 483 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 7: You know, I'm part of this thirty third team. And 484 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 7: there's a guy named Mike Giddings who almost my age. 485 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 7: You know, he's in his late fifties. He's been working 486 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 7: for Pro Scout his whole life. His dad started the 487 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,399 Speaker 7: company back, you know, when they were advising Paul Brown. 488 00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,880 Speaker 7: So he's in essence, he's been in scouting his entire life. 489 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 7: And he has the tenants for super Bowl champions and 490 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 7: I know for a fact because I've seen him present 491 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 7: it on the thirty third team. He says, you have 492 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 7: to have a blue receiver, Blue being the highest grade 493 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 7: a receiver, and that that's one of the like hardcore 494 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,159 Speaker 7: tenets of being a Super Bowl champion. Now that's subjective. 495 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 7: You could look at the list and you'd say, well, 496 00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 7: is he really a blue? Is he really a blue? 497 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,440 Speaker 7: You know, I understand there's there's room for some debate there, 498 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 7: but I think I think there's more than one way 499 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 7: to look at it than just say twenty twenty five. 500 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:20,639 Speaker 2: Now your point. 501 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 7: Look, I want to say this, your point has has 502 00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,520 Speaker 7: some teeth in it, right, Like I'm not just dismissing, 503 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 7: like like when when you say, hey, the top ten 504 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,199 Speaker 7: guys had one combined one playoff win, that you know, 505 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 7: that's that's that's a meaningful stat But I would also say, 506 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 7: what did what would the Seattle How do you think 507 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 7: the Seahawks would have done without Jackson Smith and Jiga 508 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:42,880 Speaker 7: this year? 509 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 4: Would? Would it? 510 00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 2: Would? They would not have won the Super Bowl? 511 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,120 Speaker 3: They would not They would not have even though I 512 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 3: don't believe Jackson Smith and Jigba. I'm trying to think 513 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:54,200 Speaker 3: all three games against the Rams. I know a couple 514 00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,440 Speaker 3: of games against the Rams. He didn't do much of anything, 515 00:28:56,560 --> 00:28:59,200 Speaker 3: but those games were such blade of a knife that yes, 516 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 3: you take an all Pro player off your team, you 517 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 3: gonna probably not not win the game that you that 518 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,200 Speaker 3: you barely end up winning, so I think. 519 00:29:07,320 --> 00:29:09,600 Speaker 2: But I think there's also seven. 520 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 3: Or eight players on this team that you said, okay, 521 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 3: take out this player and do they win the Super Bowl? 522 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 3: And it's not about yeah, they You could take numerous 523 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 3: players off the Seahawks and they would have still beaten 524 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 3: the Patriots in the super Bowl. The problem is they 525 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,840 Speaker 3: wouldn't have gotten to the super Bowl to face the 526 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,880 Speaker 3: Patriots if you'd taken any one of those seven. 527 00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 7: Right, we knows, right, So js N was a blue 528 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 7: but you know, you know, yes, he uh, yeah, they 529 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 7: they go blue, red, purple. And it always messes with 530 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 7: me because I think it should go blue, purple, red, 531 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,240 Speaker 7: because if you mix blue and red and paint, you know, purple, 532 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 7: the middle is purple. But so I always have to 533 00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 7: remind myself blues the best, then red's the second best, 534 00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,840 Speaker 7: and then purple is right. So but but anyway, he says, 535 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 7: you gotta have a blue receiver. So uh and that's 536 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 7: that's the that's some really in depth analysis for you know, 537 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 7: a long period of time. And and then you know, 538 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 7: the idea if I were, if I were to present 539 00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 7: the argument is that a blue receiver he's going to 540 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 7: impact the running game. He's going to impact you know, 541 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 7: tight ends, catching balls and what have you. And in 542 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 7: the modern game when you have to get explosive plays, 543 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 7: like how hard is it? Like the number of drives 544 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 7: where you had five or more first downs to get 545 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:36,560 Speaker 7: a touchdown in the in the in the league, the 546 00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 7: entire league was eight. The entire league had eight drives, 547 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 7: Like like, you can't just expect to go plodding down 548 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 7: just you know, like World War One trench warfare, you know, 549 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,600 Speaker 7: grabbing a yard at a time. You have to go 550 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 7: get some chunk plays. And if you have a blue receiver, 551 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 7: how that impacts that would be something along the argument. 552 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 7: So you know you've already let one blue receiver out 553 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 7: the the out the door. That's fine because you knew 554 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 7: you had another one in behind it. But but you 555 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:10,240 Speaker 7: know you lose JSN and now it's like WHOA so 556 00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,520 Speaker 7: to me, I think, given the leadership he's had, how 557 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 7: young he is, everything, I can't imagine there's even a conversation. 558 00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 7: I think it's just a cost of doing business. It's 559 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 7: like he's gonna cost forty to forty call it forty 560 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 7: five million, and we're just gonna have to pay it. 561 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 7: And I can't imagine it's something much more complex than that. 562 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 7: Let's roll into the six o'clock hour. 563 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 3: Things get back to this team USA Hockey conversation. Hugh 564 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,920 Speaker 3: is with us, Jackson is with US and now joining us. 565 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:46,840 Speaker 3: It's almost ready for ever it fits you to get 566 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 3: back to work, Jackson. We got to get this man 567 00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:54,080 Speaker 3: back to work, calling cracking hockey deep into the spring. Right, 568 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 3: every You're gonna be calling hockey deep into the spring 569 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 3: and maybe even to the early summer. 570 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:03,600 Speaker 6: Right ideally we're gonna be, you know, getting ready for 571 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,440 Speaker 6: World Cup preparations, and the Cracking are still going to 572 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 6: be playing games. 573 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:09,840 Speaker 4: That's the goal. 574 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 2: I love it all. 575 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 3: But what a break you have had in watching Team 576 00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 3: USA play and just your first you know, ten thousand 577 00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 3: foot thoughts of what was going through your mind yesterday 578 00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 3: morning when you watch that game against Canada and you know, 579 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 3: just back and forth and into overtime. 580 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 4: I kid you, not my very first thought. 581 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 6: And then this sounds very cliche and very corny, but 582 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:41,640 Speaker 6: my first thought watching that game, this is my generations, 583 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 6: our generations Miracle on ice. We've heard so much the 584 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,560 Speaker 6: last forty six years about the miracle on ice team, 585 00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 6: that nineteen eighty team that beat the Russians. No one 586 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 6: ever thought that they could beat the Russians. 587 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 4: And that game was so big. 588 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 6: People don't realize that the US beat the Russians in 589 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,400 Speaker 6: the semi final and then beat Finland in the final. 590 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 6: That wasn't even the final game, but that is how 591 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 6: big that game was against the Russians. And I think 592 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:12,600 Speaker 6: for different reason, obviously the geopolitical reasons weren't there this time, 593 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 6: but for trying to grow the game of hockey. For 594 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 6: where the game is in the United States. You've got 595 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 6: the women's team just one goal. Women and girls make 596 00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 6: up the number one demographic, the top demographic of new 597 00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:31,160 Speaker 6: hockey fans, new hockey players are young women and girls. 598 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 6: So trying to grow this game has been something that 599 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,560 Speaker 6: we as a sport, we as a league, have been 600 00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,720 Speaker 6: trying to do. And I think that that game yesterday 601 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,400 Speaker 6: really cemented the US is a hockey country and you're 602 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,480 Speaker 6: now going to have kids who were eight years old, 603 00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 6: ten years old watching that game. I remember where I 604 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 6: was when I saw Jack Hughes score that goal against Canada. 605 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 6: I remember where I was with Connor Helibuk stopped Devon 606 00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,840 Speaker 6: Taves in the goal crease, that puck deflecting off of 607 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,920 Speaker 6: the corner. You now have a lot of I remember 608 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 6: when moment with this next generation of hockey fan and 609 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 6: it was great to see. 610 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 4: As for the game, I agree with Matty Veneers, all 611 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,839 Speaker 4: of my Canadian friends. I've been rubbing this in all day. 612 00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,320 Speaker 4: Dave Tomlinson, my old. 613 00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 6: Parson Vancouver now Big Al Kaniski, who's from Vancouver, oh 614 00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,160 Speaker 6: I was the most annoying American version of myself over 615 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:25,880 Speaker 6: these last. 616 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 7: Well, tell us something that you saw in the game 617 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 7: that you know from your expertise, that really caught your 618 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,640 Speaker 7: eye or you thought was important to the game that 619 00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 7: most of the rest of us missed. 620 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 6: I think the penalty kill was big. There was a 621 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 6: lot of talk over who Team USA didn't bring. Jason 622 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 6: Roberson was left off the list. Cole Kawfield left off 623 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 6: the list. You left a lot of offense at home 624 00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 6: over the last three weeks in favor of some more grinders, 625 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:02,840 Speaker 6: some more tough guys. I loved Mike Sullivan's quote, so 626 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 6: the head coach of Team USA after the game, he 627 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 6: says paraphrasing, but he basically goes, you know, there are 628 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 6: milk drinkers and there are whiskey drinkers, and we had 629 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 6: a lot of whiskey drinkers on this team. I love 630 00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:20,080 Speaker 6: I love that quote because you look at the toughness 631 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 6: of Team USA and when you're the Canadians and you 632 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 6: can load up a line with Connor McDavid, Nathan McKinnon. 633 00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,720 Speaker 4: Macklin, Celebrinia. I mean you that team Canada squad. 634 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 6: I mean right now they probably have seven future Hall 635 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,880 Speaker 6: of famers, six seven future Hall of famers on that roster. 636 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,680 Speaker 6: So I think the PK was good. What was the 637 00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,320 Speaker 6: deciding factor for me in that game there? But also 638 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,759 Speaker 6: I think that the US was maybe a little bit tougher, right, 639 00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 6: There was a little bit. 640 00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 4: More arrogance, which is not bad. 641 00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 6: It's not a bad thing when you're going up against 642 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,480 Speaker 6: a Canadian team who is always expected to win. This 643 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 6: is the third gold medal for Team USA and Olympic Hockey. 644 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 6: This is the back to back gold international gold medal 645 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 6: for the US. They won this one and then back 646 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 6: in the summer last year, the Team USA snapped a 647 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,400 Speaker 6: ninety some odd year drought with their first World Championships 648 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 6: gold medal. So, I mean, Team USA hockey wise has 649 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,360 Speaker 6: been really coming along here the last bit. But I 650 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 6: think for me it was it was about that grinding style, 651 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,600 Speaker 6: that physical nature that. 652 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:35,319 Speaker 4: I think that they brought with them to that team. 653 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,600 Speaker 3: I'll tell both of you guys, I've been drinking whiskey 654 00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:39,319 Speaker 3: for thirty years and I'm still not tough. 655 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,000 Speaker 2: But I'm not gonna stop trying. 656 00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 4: All right, you know me both. 657 00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:46,279 Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep trying. One of these days I'll get tough. 658 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 2: Three drinking whiskey. Well, you know, how about the comment though, 659 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:55,960 Speaker 2: talking about not tough. 660 00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:59,959 Speaker 3: Nathan McKinnon's getting a lot of shade for the quote 661 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:03,440 Speaker 3: after the game saying, you be the judge who was 662 00:37:03,520 --> 00:37:04,680 Speaker 3: the better team today? 663 00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 2: Boy? I mean that. 664 00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,320 Speaker 3: I mean you never really know exactly the context he 665 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,240 Speaker 3: says it in, but I mean that just boy sour 666 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,720 Speaker 3: grapes to me, man, So I will. 667 00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 6: Say that quote was taking a hair a smidge out 668 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 6: of context. He was talking to the reporter and he 669 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,040 Speaker 6: told the reporter, I'll let you guys be the judge 670 00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 6: about who the better team was, meaning I'm gonna let 671 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 6: you the media argue that. 672 00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,399 Speaker 4: But the fact of the matter is we lost, they won. 673 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,800 Speaker 4: That is how it is. That's how I took it. 674 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,520 Speaker 4: If you watch the full quote. But I will say this. 675 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 6: Again, Team Canada is in a position where they've not 676 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 6: been in in a very long time. There is a 677 00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,560 Speaker 6: guy coming up on their heels. It's the old Captain 678 00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 6: America meme right on your ride. 679 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 5: Right there. 680 00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 4: You know I mentioned the gold. 681 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,919 Speaker 6: Medal they won the World Champion Chips now the gold 682 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 6: medal here in in the Olympics, the Four Nations tournament 683 00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:07,320 Speaker 6: last year. Yeah, Team Canada won that one. But that 684 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,040 Speaker 6: was a close game as well. And it's funny, you know, 685 00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:13,280 Speaker 6: getting on the plane today and even yesterday in practice, 686 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,360 Speaker 6: all the Canadian guys first words out of Jordan Everley's 687 00:38:17,360 --> 00:38:20,640 Speaker 6: mouth cracking Captain Jordan Everley on the plane. Well, you 688 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:22,120 Speaker 6: know what's good for the game. It's good for the 689 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 6: game of hockey. You know, we had to give one up, 690 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,880 Speaker 6: and it'll it'll do, it'll do wonders for the games. 691 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 6: So I think you said it all kind of tongue 692 00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,720 Speaker 6: in cheek, but that's kind of been that that stealing 693 00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:36,080 Speaker 6: and belief is like, yeah, it's good for the game. 694 00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,160 Speaker 6: I think a lot of people in Canada were not 695 00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,279 Speaker 6: expecting last night's game to be as close as it was. 696 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 6: I also think, I mean, listen, you mentioned it. Connor 697 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:49,200 Speaker 6: hallibuks forty one saves Team Canada if we're being honest. 698 00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 6: They dominated the second and third periods from a gameplay standpoint, 699 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 6: from getting shots up. I mean the the hockey analyst 700 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 6: in me says that the Americans should have lost that 701 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:03,120 Speaker 6: game three four one. 702 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,320 Speaker 4: I mean that that should have been a lot closer 703 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 4: or not as close as it was. But so you 704 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 4: have a lot of that with team with the Canadians. 705 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 4: But I love it. It's the rivalry, it's growing. This 706 00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 4: now means something. I think you know. Now the US 707 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:18,399 Speaker 4: is kind. 708 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:22,160 Speaker 6: Of embracing that villain role a little bit with the 709 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,239 Speaker 6: Kachucks and the Hues and all of that. So it's 710 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:28,120 Speaker 6: been fun to watch, and I think they're maybe not 711 00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:32,360 Speaker 6: a changing of the guard, but maybe a challenging of 712 00:39:32,560 --> 00:39:35,000 Speaker 6: the guard now with Team USA and Team Canada. 713 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,960 Speaker 4: Everett fits you with US and Everett. 714 00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,960 Speaker 7: Regulation ends at one to one, and then the the 715 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,000 Speaker 7: Olympic format takes over and you. 716 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 2: See three on three skating. 717 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:47,080 Speaker 6: Uh. 718 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 7: Yeah, what's your take on that? And how do you 719 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,840 Speaker 7: respond to those who think, hey, given the magnitude of 720 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:56,840 Speaker 7: that game, just go five on five and and and 721 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,120 Speaker 7: uh and go until the putt goes in a net 722 00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 7: under nor circumstances. 723 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:05,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I don't like it as a fan. 724 00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:09,920 Speaker 4: I don't like that we decided this in three on three. 725 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:10,560 Speaker 4: I'm with you. 726 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:13,680 Speaker 6: You know you never see Game seven of the Stanley 727 00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:17,719 Speaker 6: Cup final decided three on three, even when the Canadians 728 00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 6: won in twenty fourteen, I was four on four overtime. 729 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 6: Then I think your championship hockey has to be decided 730 00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:30,640 Speaker 6: five on five. That said, hockey and the NHL and 731 00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:33,680 Speaker 6: the Olympics are in a very interesting spot because we're 732 00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 6: the only sport that takes a three week break off 733 00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 6: for their Olympics, right. I heard that's a baseball's back 734 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,239 Speaker 6: in the La Olympics. And I saw something today that 735 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,480 Speaker 6: Major League Baseball may try to lobby to get players 736 00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,600 Speaker 6: to play in that now. So maybe we're working in 737 00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 6: a twenty eight Olympic break in the baseball season. But 738 00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 6: for hockey, you have to remember, like these guys have 739 00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 6: twenty six games left. This is a tight season. This 740 00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 6: is you know, the Stanley Cup is coming down to 741 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,520 Speaker 6: the wire here, and you don't want guys fatigued. You 742 00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:08,840 Speaker 6: don't want guys overtired, getting injured. And I think the 743 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,520 Speaker 6: three on three as it was intended when it came 744 00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:14,279 Speaker 6: to the league back in twenty fourteen, three on three has. 745 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 4: Been to speed games up. 746 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,120 Speaker 6: They did that intentionally because if it was five on five, 747 00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 6: the way that that game was going fellas, we'd still 748 00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 6: be playing right now. Okay, we'd be in the thirtieth 749 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,560 Speaker 6: overtime right now. But I think they did it to 750 00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,440 Speaker 6: save some players, to save the fatigue, save some injuries, 751 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,360 Speaker 6: and speed the game up. But I don't like it 752 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 6: as a fan. I think I understand why they did 753 00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:44,440 Speaker 6: it from a business standpoint, but I'm with you. It's 754 00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,600 Speaker 6: got to be five on five, and if it goes 755 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:48,960 Speaker 6: to thirty overtimes, hey still be it. 756 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:52,200 Speaker 2: What do you think it means for men's hockey in America? 757 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:53,360 Speaker 2: I mean, the women's hockey. 758 00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:55,960 Speaker 3: Team has been winning goals and going to the finals 759 00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 3: basically every four years, so there's no issue there. 760 00:41:58,800 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 2: But did is this a bump up on the men's side? 761 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 2: You think? 762 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 4: I think it absolutely is. Again. 763 00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:06,839 Speaker 6: You know, I just mentioned that the fastest growing demographic 764 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:12,240 Speaker 6: of hockey enjoyers and players are are young women and girls. 765 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,120 Speaker 6: But also on the men's side. When you look in 766 00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 6: the United States, football is king, whether it's the NFL 767 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:21,800 Speaker 6: or college. Then you've got basketball, then you've got baseball. 768 00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 6: You can throw in golf and mma and all these 769 00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:28,640 Speaker 6: other sports, Hockey in some circles has been lagging behind 770 00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:32,480 Speaker 6: in terms of that interest and that fan support. When 771 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:36,160 Speaker 6: you have an event like this where Team USA, the 772 00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,279 Speaker 6: amount of personalities that they had on that team, the 773 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,319 Speaker 6: good hockey that we saw on that team, this absolutely 774 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:45,840 Speaker 6: will grow the game. All these teams, all these players 775 00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 6: now coming back going to their markets. There's going to 776 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 6: be so many brand new fans who have never been 777 00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:55,040 Speaker 6: to an NHL game before going to games in Dallas, 778 00:42:55,200 --> 00:42:58,719 Speaker 6: in Columbus, in Seattle, right in these quote unquote non 779 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,279 Speaker 6: traditional hockey market You're gonna start seeing so many more 780 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,399 Speaker 6: fans showing up to games, and this will grow the game. 781 00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:09,399 Speaker 6: And I think as this rivalry continues, I've already been 782 00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:13,759 Speaker 6: seeing the projections for the twenty thirty Olympic roster coming 783 00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:19,680 Speaker 6: up in Yeah, but the guys that were left off 784 00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,520 Speaker 6: this roster for both teams could make an entirely new 785 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,120 Speaker 6: Olympic team for Canada and the US respectively. That's just 786 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,840 Speaker 6: how deep the talent pool is in the NHL this season. 787 00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 6: So I think this was massive for the sport. I 788 00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:37,479 Speaker 6: think this is massive for the NHL. And like I said, 789 00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:39,759 Speaker 6: I look at a market like Seattle. This is the 790 00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:43,640 Speaker 6: fifth year for Krack and Hockey, Seattle's first NHL team. 791 00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 6: We look at all of our youth hockey enrollment, all 792 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:48,880 Speaker 6: of our men's league, intermur league. 793 00:43:48,680 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 4: Hockey, whatever you want to call it, that folks sign 794 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:51,440 Speaker 4: up for. 795 00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 6: I think in a market like Seattle that is still 796 00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:57,200 Speaker 6: learning the game and still learning to love the game 797 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,319 Speaker 6: of hockey, it's gonna pay off huge dividends down the road. 798 00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,480 Speaker 6: And before we before I wrap up, there's a quote 799 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:08,960 Speaker 6: that I saw earlier today. There's a hockey writer back 800 00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 6: in twenty eleven, USA hockey youth enrollment for the first 801 00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 6: time ever got over one hundred thousand, and the tweet said, 802 00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:23,240 Speaker 6: look out, twenty twenty six Olympics. Here we are twenty 803 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,920 Speaker 6: six Olympics. US has one gold and they just came 804 00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,080 Speaker 6: out with a report this morning that said, for the 805 00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:34,120 Speaker 6: first time ever in American history under eight, so USA 806 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 6: youth participation under the age of eight has now reached 807 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:39,360 Speaker 6: one hundred thousand. 808 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:41,439 Speaker 4: So you're seeing kids playing hockey. 809 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,160 Speaker 6: The same kids who would have chosen football, basketball, baseball, 810 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 6: they're now choosing hockey. And that is something that we 811 00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,600 Speaker 6: have to continue to keep pushing. And I think this 812 00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 6: Olympic run by both the women's team and the men's 813 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:53,759 Speaker 6: team is gonna do that. 814 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 2: Love it man. We'll hear you on the air on 815 00:44:55,800 --> 00:44:57,280 Speaker 2: Wednesday at five o'clock from Dallas. 816 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 4: Oh Fellas, thanks for the time. Man, was a pleasure. 817 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,160 Speaker 2: That's our man, Everett fits you. Yeah. 818 00:45:04,400 --> 00:45:06,400 Speaker 3: Back to back road games for the Seattle Crack and 819 00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:07,919 Speaker 3: we got to get our man back to work.