WEBVTT - 12-31-25 Dan Carroll and Jason Williams in for Eddie and Rocky 0:00:03.400 --> 0:00:06.760 Back on the Big One seven hundred l W it 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:10.639 is three oh seven, Dan Carroll, Jason Williams in Freddie 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:11.280 and the Rock. 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:12.959 It. 0:00:12.960 --> 0:00:15.480 Happy New Year there, Jason Williams New Year's Son. I 0:00:15.520 --> 0:00:17.040 mean it is New Year's Eve. We are ready to 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.119 rock and roll. We're ready to rock and roll. Our 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:22.799 last show, our last show of and yeah, we've had 0:00:22.840 --> 0:00:25.760 a good run since right before Christmas, saving our saving 0:00:25.800 --> 0:00:27.800 our best guests here for these last I. 0:00:28.680 --> 0:00:29.240 Think we are. 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:32.280 You know, it was back in June, and if memory serves, 0:00:32.320 --> 0:00:34.000 I think you and I were doing a show together 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:36.760 back in June. And it was back in June of 0:00:36.840 --> 0:00:40.400 this year when and and right as a show was ending, 0:00:40.800 --> 0:00:44.040 the news was breaking about the house settlement, and I 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:46.479 and I and I think I was talking to you 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:48.400 and I said, I said, do you know who the 0:00:48.440 --> 0:00:49.800 house is in the house settlement? 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:52.680 Does that mean I get a break of my mortgage? Sometimes? 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:55.680 I said no, I said, I said, the guy's name 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:58.440 is Grant House at the Saint Ant's High School. And 0:00:58.760 --> 0:01:01.920 when our very man, one of the greatest all time 0:01:01.920 --> 0:01:05.000 swimmers in the state of Ohio, maybe the greatest swimmer 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:06.920 ever at Santa X High School and that's saying a lot. 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:09.559 And then he went on to a great college career 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:14.200 at Arizona State University and Grand House is the one 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:18.399 along with a group of other college athletes who decided 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:23.840 to press that lawsuit and said, look, we think college 0:01:23.880 --> 0:01:27.640 athletes should be able to earn money on their name, 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:31.880 image and likeness. And so today I saw right before 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:33.720 I came in here, today, I saw the Purdue head 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:37.679 coach talking about nil and he said, look, we need 0:01:37.720 --> 0:01:39.840 to know what the rules are. He said, because it 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:43.200 seems like there's not a lot of basketball. Coach Matino 0:01:43.280 --> 0:01:45.319 talk about this. We heard coach cow We played a 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.319 cut from coach cal the other day on this. But 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:50.280 joining us now is the guy whose name is on 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:55.240 the house settlement from Saint X High School and Arizona 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:58.880 State University. It's my pleasure to welcome in Grand House 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:00.480 and Grand House. How you doing today? 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:02.040 Wow? 0:02:02.160 --> 0:02:05.280 That is some high praise quite the introduction game. It 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:08.919 was great to be here. Honored. I end with both 0:02:08.960 --> 0:02:09.160 of you. 0:02:09.440 --> 0:02:11.320 I can heap on a lot more praise if you want, 0:02:11.360 --> 0:02:15.200 but we we can, we can, uh, we can put 0:02:15.240 --> 0:02:17.760 that aside for a second. Take me back to the beginning. 0:02:17.800 --> 0:02:21.600 Take me back to when you came up with this 0:02:21.760 --> 0:02:26.440 notion that that, look, college athletes, we ought to be 0:02:26.480 --> 0:02:30.399 able to earn money and and you know, and make 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:33.959 be able to make a living on our name image 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:35.280 of Yeah, how did that? 0:02:35.360 --> 0:02:36.720 How did that come about? 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:40.840 It really started in my freshman year, just kind of 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:44.680 serendipitously in the freshman dorms with one of the doormats 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:46.400 across the hall. He made music and he made a 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:49.680 comment like I can make the worst music ever, and 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.040 you and your teammate can make the best music ever, 0:02:52.440 --> 0:02:55.720 and I can still make more more financial gain off 0:02:55.720 --> 0:02:55.880 of that. 0:02:55.919 --> 0:02:58.000 And I was like, that just doesn't seem right. 0:02:58.120 --> 0:03:01.359 Even though we're having a busier schedule, were occupied opportunities 0:03:01.360 --> 0:03:06.600 with athletics and sports, with practices, training, recovery meets, we 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:08.240 were limited by being athletes. 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:10.200 I didn't think that made sense, and so that. 0:03:10.200 --> 0:03:13.720 Kind of sparked my initiatives to advocate for athletes as 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:18.279 a Student Athlete Advisory President for ASU PAC twelve representative, 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:22.079 trying to push forward different nutrition initiatives, to get better 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:25.880 fueling for the athletes, to issue psychological benefits for sports 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:30.000 psychologists that they issue, and getting better media rights deals 0:03:30.000 --> 0:03:34.040 and opportunities for athletes to actually get viewership at the 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.080 PAC twelve opportunity level across all schools. 0:03:37.120 --> 0:03:38.520 So that moment in. 0:03:38.480 --> 0:03:42.320 The freshman dorms an actual beneficial moment out of freshman dorms. 0:03:42.320 --> 0:03:43.000 I don't feel like you. 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:47.680 Hear that too often, but it really sparked an unexpected 0:03:48.120 --> 0:03:50.880 kind of a journey for me and to advocating for 0:03:50.920 --> 0:03:54.000 this and believing that student athletes get a lot, and 0:03:54.120 --> 0:03:57.360 athletes in college can achieve a lot, and they deserve 0:03:57.400 --> 0:03:59.880 to access all that potential in grant. 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.240 What an honor it is to have you on the show, 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:04.200 and Dan said you were going to be on with 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:06.360 his you know, I was really excited to have you. 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:10.920 And because we we hear so much, you know, obviously 0:04:10.960 --> 0:04:13.280 we have, you know, a couple of big, big schools 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:15.640 here with Xavier and UC, so you hear a lot 0:04:15.680 --> 0:04:19.040 about the house settlement. I've talked with my job at 0:04:19.080 --> 0:04:22.039 Cincinnati dot Com, the inquire I've talked with UC Athletic 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:24.839 Director John Cunningham several times and he's, hey, when the 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:31.160 house settlement kicks in, can you clarify for our listeners. 0:04:31.480 --> 0:04:35.880 So the big history here is essentially ed O'Bannon was 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:38.400 a basketball player at U c l A many many 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:40.599 years ago. His face was on or they put his 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:44.960 limp image on the EA Sports. He then began the 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.479 ball rolling on saying hey, I'm not making any money 0:04:47.520 --> 0:04:51.160 on this went to the Supreme Court and that that 0:04:51.279 --> 0:04:55.360 really got the ball rolling. But specifically it was your 0:04:56.520 --> 0:05:01.960 pursuit of this that ultimately has led now to basically 0:05:02.040 --> 0:05:06.520 the schools now paying athletes directly. Is that correct? 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:08.560 Uh? 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:12.200 Yeah, and in some shape, shape or form as well. Yeah, 0:05:12.240 --> 0:05:14.279 that that kind of specifies a good amount. 0:05:15.600 --> 0:05:21.480 And so whatever university now out out of the house settlement, Uh, 0:05:21.720 --> 0:05:25.520 it can pay up to twenty point five million dollars 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:28.680 a year and I think probably escalates based on what 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:33.839 inflation uh, to their to their athletes, and that that 0:05:33.880 --> 0:05:38.040 could be any athlete in their any in their programs, 0:05:38.080 --> 0:05:40.240 whatever could be swimmer, It could be a basketball player, 0:05:40.600 --> 0:05:45.440 lacrosse player, whatever. Did you ever did did you ever 0:05:45.520 --> 0:05:49.360 think that, uh? It would you know it would it 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:52.400 would reach this level? And I know obviously you're pursuing that. 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:56.320 But as you sit back now after the whole settlement 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.000 has been has been done, what do you what do 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:00.720 you make of of the accomplishment. 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.520 Yeah, no, I think at the at the time it's 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.599 a great, great question, Jason. I appreciate it, and I 0:06:07.640 --> 0:06:11.640 think it's at the time being honest and vulnerable and authentic. 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:13.520 Like at the start of all this, I didn't think 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:16.599 it would escalate to the magnitude and opportunity and potential 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:19.320 that it does today. But along the way it encouraged 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.320 me a lot to really educate myself and understand that 0:06:22.440 --> 0:06:25.760 NIL has empowered athletes and has the opportunity for the 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:29.279 first time to allow athletes to understand their value, build brands, 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:34.360 and gain real world experience and marketing business entrepreneurship, something 0:06:34.440 --> 0:06:37.880 that athletes have historically been excluded from up until you know. 0:06:38.000 --> 0:06:40.760 Ed O'Bannon really took a first big swing at the 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.720 door to knock it down, and then, like you mentioned 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:49.000 my after Sean Austin Alston versus NCAA came through and 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:51.719 kind of put took another punch at the door House 0:06:51.800 --> 0:06:55.840 versus Cuba really kicked it down ten feet away from 0:06:55.880 --> 0:06:56.320 the Hinges. 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:59.680 So hey, Grant, let me ask you. 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:03.400 This part of the settlement means the NCAA pays out 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:06.680 two point eight billion dollars in damages to athletes who 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:10.560 competed from twenty sixteen to twenty twenty five. How important 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:14.080 was that to you that the athletes of your era 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:18.120 and a little bit before your era it recoups some 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:21.080 of this money or see some benefit from what you 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:22.000 were able to get done. 0:07:23.520 --> 0:07:26.400 Yeah, I think to make sure that all athletes involved 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:28.679 got as much as they could within our legal system. 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:29.520 You know, obviously we have. 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:33.040 Precedent involved that limits the date range that it can 0:07:33.080 --> 0:07:36.560 go back. But there are dozens and hundreds and thousands 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:43.200 of athletes that I knew, whether it was gymnastics, soccer, lacrosse, basketball, swimming, 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:46.600 anything in those in any regard that could have benefited 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:49.960 from the successes. They had, the unique characteristics they had 0:07:50.000 --> 0:07:53.560 outside of their sport, their image that the school promoted 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:56.040 from them. So it was really important for me to 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.400 make sure that it was rectified that as far as 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:02.680 it could previous in addition to the present and especially 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:05.280 going forward, because we knew we couldn't do all of 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.760 it for the entire existence of the NCAA back to 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:13.680 the nineteen nineteen early twenties, but wanted to get as 0:08:13.760 --> 0:08:16.560 much as we could, and obviously we accomplished that as 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:19.240 as to the best degree we could in the moment. 0:08:19.520 --> 0:08:23.240 So if you're you were an NCAA Division one athlete 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:27.880 at any school obviously during that time period leading up 0:08:27.920 --> 0:08:33.200 to basically what is today's you know NIL and yeah, 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.200 I don't know, I'm just making up here, Like say 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:37.320 I was a division I always say I was a 0:08:37.360 --> 0:08:43.520 soccer player at Northern Kentucky University in twenty seventeen? Am 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:47.600 i am? I Can I get money from the house 0:08:47.640 --> 0:08:51.360 settlement that two point eight billion? Is everyone eligible who 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:54.640 played during that period, no matter what school, just as 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:57.960 long as they were a Division one athlete, are they 0:08:58.040 --> 0:09:00.240 can they be able to get money from that? 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:03.520 Yeah? That is one hundred percent accurate. 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:07.280 The timeframe to kind of apply for that and like 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.000 put your your reference range in there of like, hey, 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:12.000 I was an athlete like you just described as soccer 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:15.920 player at MKU has passed so they can collect all 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:19.920 those names and properly distribute it going forward. But that's 0:09:20.000 --> 0:09:24.120 the beauty of NIL is it's not it's not segmented 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.000 to one sport. It's obviously there's a lot of value 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.319 in a couple of different sports, but it doesn't discriminate 0:09:30.400 --> 0:09:32.840 it doesn't segment anything. 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:33.600 Through any of the sports. 0:09:33.640 --> 0:09:36.400 It's available to every athlete maybe that wants to benefit 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:38.640 from it. It's available to every school that wants to 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.400 utilize it and leverage it. And so really, as long 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:45.080 as those athletes were diligent and pursued that when it 0:09:45.080 --> 0:09:46.959 came out, and I tried to make sure to publicize 0:09:46.960 --> 0:09:49.560 that to as many athletes as I knew, anyone could 0:09:49.600 --> 0:09:51.360 benefit from it in various degrees. 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:55.160 Obviously, So grant you in the sport of swimming, you 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:58.040 have great name recognition. You remember of the national team, 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.040 You've been around for a long time in the sport, 0:10:01.800 --> 0:10:03.960 and now because of the house settlement, you have great 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:07.560 name recognition outside of the sport of swimming. What's been 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.480 the upside and what's been some of the downside of 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:12.600 all this that's taken place. 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:16.560 Yeah, another great question. I think the real win. 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:19.680 Is when athletes graduate, they have options and confidence in 0:10:19.679 --> 0:10:22.160 the future beyond the scoreboard or the field or the court. Now, 0:10:22.200 --> 0:10:24.560 I think that's something that's very uplifting to me. They 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:27.480 have more autonomy and opportunities during their time frame and 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.480 their lifetime as a college athlete too. I think for 0:10:30.600 --> 0:10:33.480 me it's been understanding and being a thought leader in 0:10:33.520 --> 0:10:36.200 this field and a leader to trailblaze this path as 0:10:36.280 --> 0:10:40.160 well for the future really generations and tens of decades 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:41.160 down the line. 0:10:41.240 --> 0:10:42.880 For I mean, this year, we had. 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:46.679 About five hundred and fifty thousand athletes competing in the 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:50.760 NCAA across all divisions, and just to multiply that by 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.920 itself every year for the rest of time is really 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:56.440 just gratifying and empowering to know that I played a 0:10:56.480 --> 0:10:59.880 huge part to enact that and give that opportunity and 0:11:00.000 --> 0:11:03.280 potential to individuals because I think and I al should 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:06.160 teach athletes how to build value, not just collect it, 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:08.160 but how to apply it into their job, into the 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.880 workforce and their lives going forward, instead of. 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:12.600 Just expecting to collect a paycheck. 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:14.679 And I think that's been a lot of the rewards, 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:18.960 getting messages from people in person really or having opportunities 0:11:18.960 --> 0:11:21.080 like I'll be speaking at Marquette, I'll be speaking at 0:11:21.559 --> 0:11:22.679 U Penn I. 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:24.880 Spoke with USC about a month ago as well. 0:11:25.840 --> 0:11:29.240 Giving back and helping the next generation of sports law 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:33.000 or studying lawyers as well. Kind of a perspective that 0:11:33.120 --> 0:11:36.840 want to help continue to reshape college athletics and professional 0:11:36.920 --> 0:11:40.600 sports too. I think that's something that college athletics needs 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:42.679 to do a little bit more of, is learning from 0:11:42.679 --> 0:11:47.079 professional sports, because that really is our bluepoint blueprint coming forward. 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:52.160 And I'd say the negatives were, unfortunately, but definitely a 0:11:52.200 --> 0:11:55.040 lot more prevalent than the positives along the way. 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.959 Not a lot of the positives came until really this past. 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:01.440 Summer and spring, but I'd say a lot of the 0:12:01.480 --> 0:12:04.640 negatives were, you know, threats to my life, threats to 0:12:04.640 --> 0:12:06.640 my well being, constant barragement of. 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:09.200 Media messages, text messages. 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:14.640 Calls, even from parents, mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, whatever it was, 0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:19.240 student athletes just you know, having a different a change occur, 0:12:19.800 --> 0:12:22.880 and change is hard, change is challenging, but change can 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:26.360 be positive and good. And I think at that time 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:28.040 it was just a lot for people to handle, and 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:30.920 for whatever reason, they felt like it was I was 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:32.800 taking their emotions and anger out on me. 0:12:32.840 --> 0:12:35.080 It was going to solve their problems, and that just 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:35.760 isn't the case. 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:40.200 So it was definitely a lot of reflection and understanding 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:44.200 controlling what I can control and that everyone else isn't. 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:47.880 I'm not responsible for everyone else's emotions and reactions, but 0:12:48.080 --> 0:12:51.080 really understanding why I did this, wanting to do this 0:12:51.120 --> 0:12:54.839 for the betterment and the cause of athletes across all divisions, 0:12:55.240 --> 0:12:58.080 and just navigating that to be stronger in myself and 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:02.840 have better perseverance and determination through this to filter out 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:04.480 what matters and what doesn't. 0:13:04.640 --> 0:13:07.800 And we well said Grant and look, you're not in 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.319 charge of the rules here, and that that's the big 0:13:10.840 --> 0:13:13.199 that's the big problem with all this now is that 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:16.600 there's there's a lack of leadership in the NCAA about 0:13:16.640 --> 0:13:19.120 putting rules around this. And I even saw something the 0:13:19.160 --> 0:13:21.080 other day like oh, therefore, all if we do this, 0:13:21.200 --> 0:13:23.520 and like essentially there was a statement put out by 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:26.480 someone like yeah, I mean it was very you know, 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:29.360 loyally worded, but it was like basically like if we 0:13:29.400 --> 0:13:30.960 do this, we'll get sued kind of. I think it 0:13:31.000 --> 0:13:33.520 was when the Baylor got the guy had been drafted 0:13:33.600 --> 0:13:35.880 the NBA that none of that, none of that is 0:13:35.920 --> 0:13:38.600 anything that you had anything to do with. You had 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:40.840 nothing to do with transfer portal, You had nothing to 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:45.240 do without the transfer portal, and NIL go together. Honestly, 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:48.079 I think the House settlement was a great thing because 0:13:48.120 --> 0:13:52.040 it brought no pun intended. It brought the money that 0:13:52.280 --> 0:13:56.040 colleges are able to pay their athletes in house instead 0:13:56.040 --> 0:14:00.320 of having outside entities. And I know athletes can they'll 0:14:00.360 --> 0:14:02.560 do that and go out, go out and do you know, 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:05.880 get extra money out, you know, besides whatever they're making 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:09.200 from the school. But I think the house settlement was 0:14:09.240 --> 0:14:13.640 a very good thing in this crazy, crazy world. And honestly, granted, 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.600 if it wasn't you, it was going to be you know, 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.680 someone else at some other university or whatever who would 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:22.680 have done this. So for you to take take the 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.160 lead on this and do it, I think it is 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:29.680 honestly brought some structure around this world that and you know, 0:14:29.720 --> 0:14:33.120 i'd assume probably a lot of the criticism you've gotten 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:36.840 is a lack of a lack of education and b 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.600 people taking out the fact that there's a lack of 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:43.360 leadership in the NCAA to put rules around all this 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:45.040 on you and I had nothing to do with you. 0:14:46.160 --> 0:14:47.360 I'm on my high horse. 0:14:47.200 --> 0:14:50.360 Now, No I appreciate it. I need I need someone 0:14:50.400 --> 0:14:52.560 on their high horse for me out here to these days. Jason, 0:14:52.600 --> 0:14:54.160 and you're incredibly accurate. 0:14:54.240 --> 0:14:56.760 I think a lot of people just thought I wrote 0:14:56.760 --> 0:15:00.160 every word in a lawsuit and the class action, and 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:02.840 I believed in this cause, and I believe athletes should 0:15:02.840 --> 0:15:06.160 access these opportunities and have more autonomy and have more 0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:09.640 accountability and responsibilities in their careers and then their lifestyles. 0:15:09.680 --> 0:15:12.640 I've always been told that by my very high level 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:15.880 of coaches in my career, and I believe that responsibility 0:15:16.000 --> 0:15:18.320 just starts a little bit earlier now for college athletes. 0:15:18.360 --> 0:15:20.400 But the legal system was well. 0:15:20.200 --> 0:15:23.120 In effect before I was ever a consideration in this world, 0:15:23.120 --> 0:15:26.480 even long before the House gears unc double A, and 0:15:26.800 --> 0:15:31.160 the lawyers certainly weren't exactly including me in every single 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.320 drafting of the process either. So I think a lot 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:37.120 of people will see the name easy Target. They don't 0:15:37.120 --> 0:15:39.040 see the names that are writing up these documents and 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.600 stuff like that along the way, at every stop in 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:45.160 the courtrooms and in the legal system. So I appreciate 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.360 you pointing that out, because there are certainly some aspects 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:50.560 that I agreed with and some that I didn't. And 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.920 I just believed in this cause to push it forward 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:57.200 as best I could. But wasn't there for every single 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:58.840 letter to be written on the documents? 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:02.240 All right, grant run, But before we go, I see 0:16:02.240 --> 0:16:04.840 the videos that you put on your social media, you 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:07.160 look like you're in an awesome shape. You're working with 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:10.760 athletes in and out of the pool. I'm guessing that 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:12.960 you're going to take one more shot at the Olympic Trials. 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:13.480 Is that right? 0:16:14.840 --> 0:16:15.880 Yes, sir, Yes, sir. 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:18.000 I gotta look the part to be the part, and 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:20.240 I'm pressing on forward to twenty twenty eight. 0:16:20.400 --> 0:16:20.560 LA. 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:21.440 That's the plan right. 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.080 Now, Olympic Trials. Baby, get it done. Grant. We're rooting 0:16:24.120 --> 0:16:25.920 for you here in Cincinnati. 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:28.360 Grant, all the best to you, keep up the great work, 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.080 Happy new Year, and tell your mom and dad we 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:34.800 said hi, and Grant House one of the all time 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:37.280 greats here in Ohio. Keep up the great work, man, 0:16:37.400 --> 0:16:38.960 and hopefully we'll get a chance to talk to you on. 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:39.400 Down the road. 0:16:40.680 --> 0:16:43.160 Absolutely, thanks for having me on. Happy New Year's and 0:16:43.680 --> 0:16:45.240 all the success into twenty twenty six. 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:48.680 Congratulations on all of your successes in and out of 0:16:48.720 --> 0:16:51.200 the pool. And I think it makes a little extra 0:16:51.240 --> 0:16:53.720 suite to this national thing that's happened that you're a 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:57.160 Cincinnati guy. So all the best to your happy New year, Grant. 0:16:58.440 --> 0:17:00.480 Thank you, no place better to be from the five 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:00.920 one three. 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:01.640 There you go. 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.200 We love that grand House. The one and only time 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:08.560 for a little traffic and weather together. It's seven hundred WLW. 0:17:10.840 --> 0:17:12.680 All right back on the big one, seven hundred W 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:15.119 LW three thirty seven. Damn Carroll. 0:17:15.160 --> 0:17:17.119 Jason Williams sitting in for Freddy in the Rock. And 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:19.359 you know, Jason, you and I talked about it. By 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:21.480 the way, I just want to say thanks to Grant House. 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:24.880 A great interview there and a great talk about what's 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:27.880 happening with Nil and Collge sports and all the rest 0:17:27.920 --> 0:17:31.200 of it. Yeah, and you have made some very excellent points, 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:35.280 thank you about the lack of leadership in the NCAA 0:17:35.560 --> 0:17:38.280 that has let things get to the state that it 0:17:38.359 --> 0:17:41.919 is today. And in so many cases in the world 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.120 in which we live, it is a lack of leadership 0:17:44.600 --> 0:17:47.000 that allows things to get to a point to where 0:17:47.560 --> 0:17:50.320 they just start falling apart. And I think that's what 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.640 we're seeing in Minnesota. As you're ready to say Minnesota 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:56.880 and the governor there, we have talked about the what's 0:17:56.920 --> 0:18:00.720 going on with the fraud there in the Somalik, not 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:05.080 just as it relates to childcare, but as it relates 0:18:05.119 --> 0:18:08.560 to this whole notion of feeding our future. So this 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:11.240 program where you're supposed to feed hungry kids, tons of 0:18:11.280 --> 0:18:15.080 fraud going on there as it relates to these programs 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.480 for kids who have autism who are supposed to and 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:22.040 they're stealing money based on that, stealing money on housing 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:26.920 programs that are aimed at individuals who can't take care 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:32.680 of themselves, the elderly, the poor, veterans, and drug addicted individuals. 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:36.359 And so this story in Minnesota has been taken on 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.359 a life of its own, and now it's gotten to 0:18:38.400 --> 0:18:40.520 the point to where people are saying, you know what, 0:18:40.560 --> 0:18:43.639 you need to look at these communities all across the country. 0:18:43.640 --> 0:18:47.440 And it turns out Columbus, Ohio has a huge community 0:18:47.480 --> 0:18:51.000 there that the stories are coming out that there is 0:18:51.080 --> 0:18:54.879 all kinds of fraud going on in Columbus, Ohio. And 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:58.240 let me read to you the words of state Representative 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.600 Josh Williams, who just put this out on his xpeed 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:05.959 earlier today. Here's what he said, if you're running a 0:19:05.960 --> 0:19:10.120 publicly funded childcare center in Columbus, we will find out 0:19:10.160 --> 0:19:12.879 if you are committing fraud, we will prosecute you to 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.320 the fullest extent of the law, and we will make 0:19:15.359 --> 0:19:20.639 sure you spend years behind bars. We are not playing 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:24.040 games here and Representative Josh Williams is our guest today 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:28.680 on seven hundred WLW and Josh Williams, welcome to seven 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:32.320 hundred WLW. Those are some strong words, my friend, and 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:35.960 it sounds to me like you are ready to back 0:19:36.000 --> 0:19:36.680 that up with action. 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:38.440 Yeah. 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.359 I stand behind that statement. I appreciate you guys having 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:44.840 me on tonight. But let's be clear. Anyone that's committing 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:46.960 fraud in the state of Ohio when it comes to 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:50.679 taxpayer dollars, whether it's ceteral money or state money, you 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:52.680 are going to be prosecuted to the full e center 0:19:52.760 --> 0:19:56.360 the law. And after watching what's been going on in Minnesota, 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:58.960 we are going to increase the penalties here in the 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:02.199 state of Ohio. I watched people still millions of dollars 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:05.600 in that state and get twenty month sentences. When we 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:08.760 come back in February from our holiday break, I'll be 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:13.280 introducing legislation that will increase the penalties for fraud when 0:20:13.359 --> 0:20:17.960 public dollars are the source of that fraud to years 0:20:18.880 --> 0:20:22.480 years in prison if you are caught, prosecuted and convicted. 0:20:23.359 --> 0:20:23.560 Yeah. 0:20:23.600 --> 0:20:26.320 Representing Williams, thank you for joining us here and happy 0:20:26.320 --> 0:20:29.240 New year to you. And I tell you you and 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:31.760 you've gotten forty other of your colleagues there and the 0:20:31.840 --> 0:20:36.359