Speaker 1: On this fifth anniversary of January sixth, twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: when thousands of Americans were incarcerated, pursued, persecuted for merely
Speaker 1: doing what the Constitution says they have a right to do,
Speaker 1: assemble and redress their grievances with the government. We have
Speaker 1: Navy veteran, retired Navy Lieutenant commander. Let me set the
Speaker 1: record straight on that Tom Caldwell, who is a j
Speaker 1: six defendant as well, who has come out on the
Speaker 1: other side, but not with bitterness, not with petty anger,
Speaker 1: but a message about faith and how it got him
Speaker 1: through the entire experience federal detention, ten week trial, facing
Speaker 1: possibly life and presen for simply being at the Capitol
Speaker 1: on January sixth. And he has written an incredible book
Speaker 1: called The Mouths of the Wicked, a true January sixth
Speaker 1: story of corruption, persecution, survival, and victory. And he has
Speaker 1: a message of things that we all need to be
Speaker 1: mindful of as American citizens, about possibly what could happen
Speaker 1: to us if the Strategic Implementation Plan for countering domestic
Speaker 1: terrorism is weaponized again the way it was against those
Speaker 1: January sixth defendants. And he joins us now, Tom it's
Speaker 1: such a pleasure to have you. It's such a pleasure
Speaker 1: to know that you have gotten through this not only
Speaker 1: with flying colors, but as a beacon of light to
Speaker 1: other people in other struggles they may be having with
Speaker 1: your book about your faith. And I also, you know,
Speaker 1: it kind of reminded me as I was thinking about
Speaker 1: this interview Tom. Not to place any kind of correlation there,
Speaker 1: but I think there's some similarities how the Apostle Paul
Speaker 1: was put in prison for merely preaching the Gospel of
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, and the letters that he wrote while he
Speaker 1: was being persecuted became the basis for a great deal
Speaker 1: of our New Testament in our Christian Bible, with the
Speaker 1: letters to these churches about perseverance and maintaining faith and
Speaker 1: believing that God is in control. But it's great to
Speaker 1: have you, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me back here. It's
Speaker 2: always a pleasure to speak with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So what about my analogy about the Apostle Paul.
Speaker 4: Well, that's pretty heavy and it's very humbling.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, you know, I spoke to
Speaker 2: you about this book and how I began writing it
Speaker 2: with the notes that I had smuggled out of prison
Speaker 2: to my darling share, and she kept them, thinking those
Speaker 2: would be the last communications she'd ever gotten from her husband.
Speaker 2: But I wrote this thing not in the warm afterglow
Speaker 2: of the victory provided by the Lord, ultimate victory, but
Speaker 2: as I went through it, and it was it was
Speaker 2: an awful thing. I wrote this to serve as a
Speaker 2: witness to the hoax, the dangerous lawlessness, the corrupt time
Speaker 2: of our nation that we refer to as the Biden administration,
Speaker 2: but also to witness to the grace and the redemptive
Speaker 2: power of a loving God. And as I participated in
Speaker 2: my Bible study.
Speaker 4: Every day with my darling wife.
Speaker 2: The lessons of the Bible really rang through because I
Speaker 2: could identify just as you talked about, I could identify
Speaker 2: with how Paul was was just attacked and brutalized in
Speaker 2: so many ways, his freedom taken away from him, and
Speaker 2: so many other heroes of the Bible had to go
Speaker 2: through a lot of stuff. And I certainly didn't think
Speaker 2: at that time that I was doing anything heroic. I
Speaker 2: was only trying to survive. But one of the great
Speaker 2: things that I learned is that the Lord is in control.
Speaker 2: Sharon and I, my lovely wife, had to stay in
Speaker 2: faith and maintain hope and do what the Bible said,
Speaker 2: which is was pray. And you know it's just in Philippians.
Speaker 2: It's okay to present your request to God, but with thanksgiving.
Speaker 2: How about thanking him first, you know, for the effort,
Speaker 2: if you know what I mean about this, for the effort,
Speaker 2: and then present your request, and the peace of God,
Speaker 2: which transcends all understanding, will guards your hearts and minds
Speaker 2: in Christ Jesus. I never knew what that meant before
Speaker 2: until I was in this in this swamp created muckile.
Speaker 4: That was January sixth.
Speaker 1: You didn't know, but God knew that was the important thing.
Speaker 1: So let's go back to what brought you to the
Speaker 1: detention and what exactly did Tom Caldwell do? What heinous
Speaker 1: crime did you commit that had the full weight of
Speaker 1: the prosecution of the federal government coming down upon your head.
Speaker 2: I went with my wife on j six to Washington, DC,
Speaker 2: the city of my birth, to hear the outgoing President
Speaker 2: Trump makes his last statements to a huge, loving, appreciative crowd.
Speaker 2: It was a carnival happy type of atmosphere. And then
Speaker 2: I made the mistake of trekking down Constitution Avenue, which
Speaker 2: is my right to do, and sitting off the grounds
Speaker 2: of the Capitol of a place called the Peace Fountain,
Speaker 2: waiting for other conservative and Christian speakers who were scheduled
Speaker 2: to speak.
Speaker 4: On the ground was that day.
Speaker 2: And when I got home that night and saw the
Speaker 2: images that were on TV of the violence and this
Speaker 2: that I had no idea what happened.
Speaker 4: I mean, I was there, I didn't see any of
Speaker 4: that stuff.
Speaker 2: And so because I had actually met a member of
Speaker 2: one of the targeted groups selected for persecution by the
Speaker 2: DOJ cabal, that was the Oath Keepers, because I actually
Speaker 2: knew a couple of their members, and one of them
Speaker 2: actually had my phone number in her phone under my
Speaker 2: rank veterans do this that I held on active duty
Speaker 2: as Commander Tom when she was arrested and her phone
Speaker 2: received within two hours, the FBI had an arrest warrant
Speaker 2: for me as the commander of the Oath Keepers and
Speaker 2: the commander of the attack on the Capitol.
Speaker 4: And that you can't even make that out. This is
Speaker 4: the new FBI.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean talk about a lack of the intelligence
Speaker 1: just generally on the part of the Federal Bureau of
Speaker 1: Investigation that just because of the phone they see, Commander
Speaker 1: called without doing any more digging into who you were really,
Speaker 1: and they just came and scooped up. That's just what
Speaker 1: I mean. What a bunch of fumbling, bumbling idiots.
Speaker 2: We could call them cheestone cops, except that generates an
Speaker 2: image that's comedic, right, this is one that should be frightening.
Speaker 2: When they have descended with SWAT team here at our home.
Speaker 4: They had no idea.
Speaker 2: They didn't know I was a veteran, and they didn't
Speaker 2: know I was a disabled veteran. They didn't even know.
Speaker 2: In fact, they claimed in the press for months that
Speaker 2: I lied. They didn't even know that I used to
Speaker 2: work for the FBI. I was a GS thirteen supervisory
Speaker 2: employee of the FBI. Yes, indeed, because I wanted to
Speaker 2: give back to my country. Talk about doing no investigation,
Speaker 2: how about just check the employee files of the Bureau,
Speaker 2: won't you no doubt?
Speaker 1: All because you happened to know an oathkeeper and because
Speaker 1: you went and watched President Trump's speech, wasn't there a comment?
Speaker 1: And I believe in our last interview you told me
Speaker 1: that one of the interrogators said, I bet you're Are
Speaker 1: you still glad that you supported President Trump or something
Speaker 1: to that effect.
Speaker 4: Sure, absolutely right.
Speaker 2: They had a list talking about the FBI people that
Speaker 2: interrogated me while I was in chage here at my home.
Speaker 2: They were after something and they wanted me to provide
Speaker 2: testimony against certain people, including the oathkeepers, people that I
Speaker 2: didn't even know. But that was the most heinous thing
Speaker 2: where this was clearly an anti Trump operation. We talk
Speaker 2: about it now as this was trying to make sure
Speaker 2: that President Trump could never.
Speaker 4: Get back and off. And I felt like a speed bump.
Speaker 2: And they said, exactly what you said, bet your star
Speaker 2: you voted for Trump?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 5: Huh.
Speaker 2: Bet you want to get rid of that naggi gear.
Speaker 2: Now not let us stoop that up as evidence.
Speaker 6: Huh.
Speaker 4: And I said, what is wrong with you? You know
Speaker 4: that's my I was.
Speaker 2: I was when I was aroused it out after having
Speaker 2: only a couple of hours of sleep. I was not
Speaker 2: that pleasant, although I was nicer to them than they deserve.
Speaker 2: But you probably have to when you look at the
Speaker 2: transcript of what I said, and I have it, and
Speaker 2: some of it is in.
Speaker 4: This book that I wrote.
Speaker 2: You say, Okay, so now I have an idea of
Speaker 2: why that thing is is it has a little little
Speaker 2: marks like the emperors and and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Because I was I was given it back to him.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you, Tom, what is this Strategic Implementation
Speaker 1: Plan for Countering Domestic terrorism?
Speaker 3: And why should more Americans know about it than do.
Speaker 7: Well.
Speaker 2: It was something that was declassified by Tulca Gabbert, the
Speaker 2: Director of National Intelligence, and it was a policy that
Speaker 2: was put in place. And I would point out that
Speaker 2: the counter state and a counter state is a term
Speaker 2: that I use for an organization loose or established that
Speaker 2: is going against or counter to our constitution, and the
Speaker 2: counter the counter state is bipartisan.
Speaker 4: Both sides of the aisle.
Speaker 2: So there was a thing that was corrected called this
Speaker 2: Strategic Implementation Plan for Countering Domestic Terrorism.
Speaker 4: It was activated across all agencies.
Speaker 2: It was actually put in place just before January sixth,
Speaker 2: and it established the Biden administration policy for the arrest,
Speaker 2: the pre trial, imprisonment, and the prosecution on the whimsiest
Speaker 2: of pretenses of people that were considered to be basically
Speaker 2: enemies of the state. That includes parents who pitched the
Speaker 2: fuss at school board meetings, believer in free speech, Catholics
Speaker 2: and other Christians, pro lifers, people that didn't want to
Speaker 2: take the COVID jeb These people were seen as as troublemakers.
Speaker 4: And this was in this study. What should chill people
Speaker 4: to the bone is this is the first time in.
Speaker 2: The history of the United States of America that our
Speaker 2: government targeted US citizens as opposed to foreign people trying
Speaker 2: to overthrow the government, as violent domestic terrorists. They turned
Speaker 2: their attention on we the people.
Speaker 3: So what exactly was it?
Speaker 1: And as you outline in the book, by the way,
Speaker 1: again we're talking to Tom Caldwell January sixth, defendant. The
Speaker 1: book is The Mouths of the Wicked, a true January
Speaker 1: sixth story of corruption, persecution, survival, and victory. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about survival and what the victory is, because you know,
Speaker 1: I think that's a big thing that you're trying to
Speaker 1: get across with the tome, Tom.
Speaker 2: They threw every dirty trick they possibly could at us.
Speaker 2: So many different agencies and administrations within the federal government
Speaker 2: brought their powers to bear on me and I believe
Speaker 2: so many hundreds of others of our citizens to do
Speaker 2: things that were unlawful, made phone calls to get our
Speaker 2: credit cards canceled, they got us debanked, They stopped my
Speaker 2: Social Security which was illegal, and my military disability payments.
Speaker 2: So all of these things that they did to drive
Speaker 2: us down and to try to get me to admit
Speaker 2: to things that I did not do. Now, to do
Speaker 2: something like that is an affront to plead for mercy
Speaker 2: from the mercilessness one thing. But when you take a
Speaker 2: plee to you, you swear before God the things that
Speaker 2: you are a are the truth? Now, how can I
Speaker 2: do that? And I wasn't about to roll over, And
Speaker 2: yet the pressure kept coming. And even though, as an
Speaker 2: outline in the book, we beat so many of these
Speaker 2: charges in federal court, in the kangaroo court where there
Speaker 2: was no chance to win, the Lord provided these victories,
Speaker 2: and I could hardly believe it. And they kept coming
Speaker 2: after us even after that are putting.
Speaker 1: I mean, Tom, Tom, your phone went kind of wonky
Speaker 1: just for a moment.
Speaker 3: So okay, there you go. You're back again. So your
Speaker 3: in federal court just continue where you were when I.
Speaker 4: So we had so many victories in federal court.
Speaker 2: There were five felonies that I was taken to trial
Speaker 2: on all of them were nonsensical, but three of them
Speaker 2: we beat outright, We've defined the odds. The doj had
Speaker 2: been sixty five and oh prior to trying me.
Speaker 4: For these charges.
Speaker 2: These made up charges, and the Lord provided victories there
Speaker 2: and victories afterwards.
Speaker 4: Had the Supreme Court.
Speaker 2: Weighed in and throughout one of these things that I
Speaker 2: was charged with. So there were so many things that
Speaker 2: sustained us along the way that we could see were
Speaker 2: actually a manifestation of the promises that the Lord makes
Speaker 2: to his children who accept Jesus Christ as their Lord
Speaker 2: and savior. People who are not believers can't really wrap
Speaker 2: their heads around this, but I hope that they if
Speaker 2: they have the commitment and the courage to read something,
Speaker 2: to get out of their comfort zone and read a
Speaker 2: book like this, I hope that I have made a
Speaker 2: pretty compelling taste about the redemptive power of God. Our
Speaker 2: Lord and Savior married us, and I'll be glad to
Speaker 2: speak to anybody about him, because I have met him personally.
Speaker 3: It's amazing. What were some of the charges, I'm just curious.
Speaker 2: Well, one the biggest one was seditious conspiracy, and sedition
Speaker 2: means overthrowing the government. This was the same kind of
Speaker 2: charge that Abraham Lincoln brought against his political enemies to
Speaker 2: wrap people up because he thought there were Southern sympathizers.
Speaker 2: And there were a couple of other conspiracy charges again
Speaker 2: to stop Congress from doing their thing, to attack Congress physically.
Speaker 2: All of those things I was found not guilty of,
Speaker 2: and so I was found guilty. And we thought that
Speaker 2: a jury trial in DC would result in everybody being
Speaker 2: found guilty of something, but here it is. The other
Speaker 2: one was called obstruction of Congress, and it was actually
Speaker 2: a misapplied statue from the Enron scandal. It was about
Speaker 2: financial crime, but the DOJ used it to turn simple
Speaker 2: trust passing into a felony. Now I didn't go into
Speaker 2: the capital, but they just slapped that on me anyway,
Speaker 2: the trustpassing the real charge.
Speaker 4: The last charge that we've had to fight so hard
Speaker 4: was this.
Speaker 2: They had my phone where I had taken a couple
Speaker 2: of hundred photos of my day with Sharon that day
Speaker 2: in January sixth, and they said, well, we look at that.
Speaker 2: We can't find any evidence that you did something wrong,
Speaker 2: so you must have destroyed it. So the charge was
Speaker 2: tampering with evidence because we can't find it, you must
Speaker 2: have gotten rid of it.
Speaker 4: And that's the one that I was finally sentenced on.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, praise God for President Trump for the
Speaker 1: pardons you and fifteen hundred others.
Speaker 2: I mean absolutely absolutely, And you know, it's such a
Speaker 2: it was such a wonderful thing. And he had talked
Speaker 2: about doing that, and he got a lot of flak
Speaker 2: for doing it too, but it was the right thing.
Speaker 2: And a lot of people will say, well, now people
Speaker 2: have been pardoned, and everything is huncle dunkle, everything is great.
Speaker 2: But you know, Gary, that's not true, because people's lives
Speaker 2: have been torn apart. You can't throw people in jail
Speaker 2: for a couple of years for something they didn't do
Speaker 2: and then just toss them back into society and say.
Speaker 4: Fly be free.
Speaker 2: Because many of these people can't get employment anymore. They
Speaker 2: are scarred with the scarlet letter of Jay six. Families
Speaker 2: have been torn asunder, but businesses.
Speaker 4: Have been lost.
Speaker 2: How do you begin again if you can't get alone,
Speaker 2: if you can't get a credit card, if you can't
Speaker 2: get a job, and so it's terrible.
Speaker 4: I'm hopeful that perhaps.
Speaker 2: Somebody will get to the president, maybe it will be you,
Speaker 2: and say mister President, how about helping these people get jobs.
Speaker 2: You know, when you go for federal employment, there's a
Speaker 2: little block there where people can say that they have
Speaker 2: a hiring preference, like a ten percent hiring preference. Disabled
Speaker 2: veterans get that for you.
Speaker 1: Know, Accused murderers who were judged to be wrongly convicted
Speaker 1: are recomferenced. I mean in the millions of dollars. Tom,
Speaker 1: I would love to see the January sixth defendants who've
Speaker 1: never been pardon be made whole in this way. The
Speaker 1: mouths of the Wicked, the Mouths of the Wicked, a
Speaker 1: true January sixth story of corruption, persecution, survival and victory.
Speaker 1: And the author and our guest, retired Lieutenant Navy Commander
Speaker 1: Tom Caldwell, thank you and God bless you, sir.
Speaker 4: And Sam to you, Garry, thank you for having me on.
Speaker 1: You bet Tim Hale, another j sixer will join us
Speaker 1: afternoons next on the Nightcap on seven hundred WLW. A
Speaker 1: couple of years since we had our last conversation with
Speaker 1: his next guest, but considering this is the five year
Speaker 1: anniversary of what became a long nightmare for him and
Speaker 1: so many other Americans, I thought it was time to
Speaker 1: revisit with the criminally funny J six Aer known also
Speaker 1: as Tim Hayles, and he's back on the Nightcap on
Speaker 1: this five year anniversary of January sixth, twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: when he and a lot of other people, as I mentioned,
Speaker 1: were scooped up erroneously and illegally by a government that
Speaker 1: was trying to cover its You know what, Tim Hale
Speaker 1: is back with us tonight. Tim, how are you on
Speaker 1: five years past January sixth, twenty twenty one.
Speaker 7: You know, I'm doing swell. It's a good day to
Speaker 7: have a good day, hopefully, and and I'm extremely grateful
Speaker 7: for you having me back on. I think this is
Speaker 7: maybe the sixth time we've talked in the past few years,
Speaker 7: and I just want to say, you know, for the
Speaker 7: listeners that you've been a constant and consistent voice for
Speaker 7: justice and I appreciate everything you've done.
Speaker 1: There were so many people I was talking with somebody
Speaker 1: last night who who did the show in this time
Speaker 1: slot last night, and he's talking about the horrible attack
Speaker 1: on Congressman in the to their lives and repeating the
Speaker 1: same mantras we heard over and over again from the
Speaker 1: Biden DOJ and FBI in their administration about what actually
Speaker 1: occurred and who the people were who were peacefully protesting.
Speaker 1: You want to talk about your mostly peaceful protest. Uh,
Speaker 1: it's certainly no. No buildings were burned and no sections
Speaker 1: of the city were taken over. But uh, let's let's
Speaker 1: let's reflect back on what actually occurred and what you endured.
Speaker 3: Jim, Well, sure.
Speaker 7: You know then. You know, with history everything is about
Speaker 7: narrative framing. You know, the saying is that history is
Speaker 7: written by the victors. I think we became the victors overall.
Speaker 7: But it's it's easy to forget, Like nobody heard our
Speaker 7: side of the story in the beginning. They just rounded
Speaker 7: us up and called us terrorists. What people need to
Speaker 7: understand is that what you saw on TV was selective
Speaker 7: clips very specific parts of the Capitol. I showed up
Speaker 7: a half hour after anything happened. What happened was there
Speaker 7: was this small perimeter staffed by like four police officers
Speaker 7: around the Capitol, and some individuals who are very suspicious
Speaker 7: tore those barriers down while Trump was still giving his speech.
Speaker 7: None of us knew this happened, and we walked into
Speaker 7: a trap. There were FBI agents and informants to the crowd.
Speaker 7: I know some of their names, and I wish the
Speaker 7: government would release all that. But yeah, we went there
Speaker 7: for a speech. It makes no sense for us to
Speaker 7: try to interfere with the certification. But when we're the
Speaker 7: ones who wanted them to question the electors, I mean,
Speaker 7: that makes no sense. We were there for a speech.
Speaker 7: The Capitol police fired grenades into the crowd. They never
Speaker 7: tell you that, and a riot was incited, And it's
Speaker 7: just important for people to understand that there's another side
Speaker 7: to the story. And you know, Sarah, we talked earlier
Speaker 7: in the week and you'd mentioned Tianaman Square. It's important
Speaker 7: to remember that these kinds of things are not limited
Speaker 7: to foreign countries. We only remain a free country if
Speaker 7: we're vigilant about our own government. And unfortunately, I think
Speaker 7: we're so divided in partisan way that it's impossible for
Speaker 7: people to consider whether or not the other side was
Speaker 7: set up and we were set up. And I think
Speaker 7: most people kind of understand that now, even if they
Speaker 7: don't know all the details. But it's important for people
Speaker 7: to understand. Time after time, the narratives about Jay six
Speaker 7: were proven to be live and it's just not for nothing.
Speaker 7: I don't want anything bad to happen to members of Congress.
Speaker 7: But like the pearl clutching, you know, the photo ops
Speaker 7: of them hiding under chairs with gas masks. I mean,
Speaker 7: that's insane. They murdered protesters that day. There was no
Speaker 7: police officer killed that day at all. And I was
Speaker 7: incarcerated with a man named Julian Cater. He was a
Speaker 7: man who was a refugee from the Lebanese Civil Wars,
Speaker 7: you know, fathers of vet from overseas. He's a monk literally,
Speaker 7: and they framed him for murdering officer Brian Sicknick. That
Speaker 7: man died of natural causes. It took them months, but
Speaker 7: they released the other coroner's report months later, and for
Speaker 7: years still they still call that man a cop killer.
Speaker 7: They still lie about police officers getting killed. That's how
Speaker 7: shameless the coverage of January sixth has been. This man's
Speaker 7: life was ruined. He's going to be called the cop
Speaker 7: killer for the rest of his life when he is not.
Speaker 7: And that's true for a lot of people. Unfortunately, it's
Speaker 7: just shameless.
Speaker 1: Ashley Babbitt was murdered that day by a Capitol police
Speaker 1: officer she was unarmed, the Air Force veteran, was a mother.
Speaker 1: She was actually trying to get people out of the
Speaker 1: Capitol when she was shot.
Speaker 3: Am I correct on that.
Speaker 7: That's correct? And you know it's interesting she was she
Speaker 7: was actually actually punched. The guy in the face who
Speaker 7: was causing chaos in that scene, his name was Zachary Alam.
Speaker 7: I met him. He's an Antifa member. He confessed that
Speaker 7: he's the one who broke the window where she got shot.
Speaker 7: He wasn't shot though. And there's another gentleman named Christopher
Speaker 7: Grider who's a witness to the fact that an officer
Speaker 7: walked up to and he identified him as a sergeant
Speaker 7: at arms, walked up to Officer Bird and whispered into
Speaker 7: his ear before she was shot. After she was shot, supposedly,
Speaker 7: Bird said, who's next? This was flagrant murder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And the Capitol and the Capitol Police officer pulled
Speaker 1: the trigger was treated like a hero.
Speaker 7: They all were. They all were. And this is the thing.
Speaker 7: I believe a lot of those officers were good people
Speaker 7: just doing their jobs. I think they were set up.
Speaker 7: There were the Capitol Police and the Metro PD. The
Speaker 7: Capitol Police were their first I think they were set
Speaker 7: up more than anything, because I think that they I
Speaker 7: think that they were understaffed and unprepared if you had
Speaker 7: the intelligence that I had. In terms of the discovery
Speaker 7: the evidence, there were reports that day where the police
Speaker 7: were given conflicting information. They were told to watch out
Speaker 7: for Trump supporters, but they were also told not to
Speaker 7: watch out for Trump supporters, look for Antifa, And so
Speaker 7: the intelligence kept changing in the day. And like I said,
Speaker 7: that initial perimeter was staffed by like four officers, two
Speaker 7: of which were small women. They were not prepared for this.
Speaker 7: Even though the intelligence shows that they were expecting a
Speaker 7: worse attack that day that didn't actually come. It doesn't
Speaker 7: make sense what actually happened there that day. The police, though,
Speaker 7: were often unprepared. They actually most of their injuries were
Speaker 7: self inflicted. Nobody tells you that they maced themselves because
Speaker 7: of the wind. They weren't listening to their superiors. It
Speaker 7: was a breakdown in the chain of command. And then
Speaker 7: the MPD exacerbated the situation because of their hostility. They
Speaker 7: showed up like stormtroopers, beating the hell out of people,
Speaker 7: body slamming old ladies and such. But in terms of
Speaker 7: the police, their own body cameras show that they were
Speaker 7: saying they were set up. And the question is, well,
Speaker 7: who set them up? If the Capital PD answered to
Speaker 7: Nancy Pelosi and the MPD answered to Mayor Bowser, who
Speaker 7: set them up, it wasn't me, so yeah, I mean
Speaker 7: they Capital Police were treated like heroes though. And you know,
Speaker 7: you know these the the fake Select committee hearing all
Speaker 7: the police officers. I will say this about these officers
Speaker 7: in particular, all the officers who testified in front of
Speaker 7: Congress about JA six were one liars. Michael fanone liar.
Speaker 7: His own body camera shows he was pretending to be
Speaker 7: passed out. Uh, he was opening his eyes, winking and
Speaker 7: adjusting his camera, screwing with his camera. He was he
Speaker 7: was playing possum. Literally, it's that's a whole like facade there.
Speaker 7: Officer done the big, the big fat one. He was
Speaker 7: protected by the oath keepers who they tried to pretend
Speaker 7: we're guilty of seditious conspiracy. The oath keepers protected protected
Speaker 7: him from a mob, and then he lied and pretended
Speaker 7: that his life was it was in danger. These are
Speaker 7: sick people. Officer Gunnell, he lied as well, and all
Speaker 7: of the officers. It was a female Officer Edwards. A
Speaker 7: lot of people have criticisms of this guy, Ryan Samsel,
Speaker 7: who was involved in one of the first breaches. But
Speaker 7: in the in the hearings, it's funny they'd say like, oh,
Speaker 7: she was passed out and she woke up in a
Speaker 7: puddle of blood. That never happened. She tripped over a
Speaker 7: fence and then this guy Ryan Samsel runs over to
Speaker 7: her and picks her up and then they have like
Speaker 7: a ten minute conversation later. This never happened. This is
Speaker 7: called atrocity propaganda. It's what you would expect from Democrats,
Speaker 7: but Republicans were in on it too. The congressional hearings
Speaker 7: from before were a complete farce. And it's just important
Speaker 7: understand I don't wish ill on police. So you had
Speaker 7: people there with back the blue thin blue line flags.
Speaker 7: It makes no sense that they would want to tussle
Speaker 7: with the police for no reason. There was a riot
Speaker 7: that was incited because the crowd was attacked and some
Speaker 7: police officers there were good people, but there are also
Speaker 7: these ones that they keep putting out, including like you said,
Speaker 7: Officer Byrd who murdered a woman in cold blood, and
Speaker 7: they put them on this pedestal like their heroes. They're not.
Speaker 7: They're just not.
Speaker 3: Was there another protester killed that day.
Speaker 4: There?
Speaker 7: So there were two men who died supposedly from natural
Speaker 7: causes from LEO heart related is shoes. But there was
Speaker 7: another woman who died at the Lower West Terrace tunnel.
Speaker 7: Her name was Roseanne Boylan, and she went down in
Speaker 7: the tunnel area and protesters were trying to retreat her body.
Speaker 7: She was having a medical emergency, probably because of all
Speaker 7: the mace that was deployed in her area in her direction.
Speaker 7: She dropped. And then an officer named Lila Morris, And
Speaker 7: I'm not saying she did this intentionally at a mouse,
Speaker 7: but I think again because of incompetence. And she picked
Speaker 7: up a stick like a like a branch, and she
Speaker 7: started whacking. She started whacking Roseanne Boyland back and forth
Speaker 7: while she was screaming. So I think she was in
Speaker 7: a state of panic and trying to hit anyone around her,
Speaker 7: but she kept striking the body of Roseanne boiling. Roseanne
Speaker 7: Boylan died. There was a protester there named Ronal mackame
Speaker 7: Ronald mcabee, a former sheriff from Tennessee.
Speaker 3: I I have interviewed him.
Speaker 1: He tried to assist Roseanne Boylan and he was pulled
Speaker 1: off of her, and they acted like he was attacking them. Well,
Speaker 1: he was trying to aid Roseanne Boilin.
Speaker 3: Yes.
Speaker 7: And by the time they end up pulling her body
Speaker 7: into the tunnel, the officers they attempt to give her
Speaker 7: some sort of resuscitation. They you know, they put the
Speaker 7: system on her to shock her. They don't even take
Speaker 7: the covers off. They don't know what they're doing, and
Speaker 7: she's it's too late at that point. And then unfortunately,
Speaker 7: one officer actually says to another, is that one of
Speaker 7: theirs or one of ours? And they say one of
Speaker 7: theirs isn't one of the protesters And they say fam
Speaker 7: They didn't care.
Speaker 3: So you go back to these people were set up.
Speaker 3: You were set up.
Speaker 1: The j sixers who wound up spending in many cases
Speaker 1: years in prison, were set up. And the question you
Speaker 1: asked was who set them up? Who set everybody up?
Speaker 1: Who set the Capitol police up for failure and for
Speaker 1: this nightmare that ensued. And I would suggest to you
Speaker 1: you need to look deep within the covers of the government.
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about elected officials. I'm talking about
Speaker 1: the cabal that controls the administrative state, a fourth branch
Speaker 1: of government that's unconstitutional that many of us believe and
Speaker 1: know exists, and the same cabal that tried so hard
Speaker 1: to keep Donald Trump out of the White House again
Speaker 1: because he doesn't answer to them. Am I off base
Speaker 1: in that.
Speaker 7: Jim, No, not at all, sir. I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 7: I do think both parties, like both political parties, had
Speaker 7: elements in Congress that probably had something to do with it.
Speaker 7: I think both parties are culpable. But in terms of
Speaker 7: the intelligence agencies, the law enforcement agencies, without a doubt,
Speaker 7: there's no question about this. They were all present there
Speaker 7: that day. The question is to what extent were they
Speaker 7: culpable or involved, And the fact that we don't get
Speaker 7: a clear answer on that makes it all the more suspicious.
Speaker 7: You know, so far, they've admitted, kind of admitted that
Speaker 7: there were approximately two hundred and seventy ish FBI agents presence,
Speaker 7: that there were approximately thirty FBI informants or chs's presence.
Speaker 7: They won't admit what they actually did. But if you
Speaker 7: know anything like throughout your life, I'm sure you've seen
Speaker 7: this thread in history or news where it's always worse
Speaker 7: than they initially tell you. And so we know that
Speaker 7: there were CIA assets deployed there that day. There were
Speaker 7: canine units undercover. There were women walking around with baby
Speaker 7: strollers who happened to have canine dogs canine units attached
Speaker 7: to them. There were undercover MPD officers, the Electronic Surveillance Unit,
Speaker 7: the Joint Terrorism Task Force. There were Bureau of Prisons
Speaker 7: officers that were tacked out in DC that day. You
Speaker 7: had cops who were actually stopping other cops who were
Speaker 7: undercover because they failed to conceal their firearms and they
Speaker 7: had to show ID to other police officers. This is
Speaker 7: all on body cameras the public doesn't have. The Defense
Speaker 7: Intelligence Agency had assets there that day. I know some
Speaker 7: of them, the DEA, the ATF. You know, the fact
Speaker 7: of the matter is the Department of the Department of Justice,
Speaker 7: the Homeland Security, the Department of Defense. I give mine
Speaker 7: so you know, for those that aren't familiar with our
Speaker 7: past interviews, I was working for the government. I worked
Speaker 7: for the Army for twelve years. I was and I
Speaker 7: was an Army administrator, and I was a naval weapons contractor.
Speaker 7: There were Defense Intel there were Defense assets there that day,
Speaker 7: the d D, and I want to know how many
Speaker 7: of them were working that day. Same with Homeland Security.
Speaker 7: I think every three letter agency, even though it's it's
Speaker 7: easy to point at the FBI because they're the most obvious,
Speaker 7: I think Americans really need to start questioning what every
Speaker 7: government agency was doing there that day. They should all
Speaker 7: be audited. You know, I you had mentioned that we
Speaker 7: were set up. I in particular, I crossed paths with
Speaker 7: two FBI informants that day, and this is not something
Speaker 7: that was made available to me at the time, but
Speaker 7: through you know, research, I was able to identify FBI informants.
Speaker 7: There was an FBI informant and the Proud Boys who
Speaker 7: crossed paths with me, named James Knowles. He was never prosecuted,
Speaker 7: but he was opening doors for people to walk through.
Speaker 7: There was another one. His name was Michael Allen Jones.
Speaker 7: This guy was a proud Boy and a Patriot Front informant.
Speaker 7: I don't know if you know what Patriot Front is,
Speaker 7: but for those who keeps me in those things where
Speaker 7: these these fed looking guys and the khaki pants, the
Speaker 7: white supremacy marching guys who just randomly show up right
Speaker 7: that group is filled with informants, and this guy was
Speaker 7: a sex offender and he was trying to get me
Speaker 7: to move barriers that day. And they never gave me
Speaker 7: the video, but they played it at my trial to
Speaker 7: make it look like I was breaching things when I
Speaker 7: was not. There were FBI informants all over the place,
Speaker 7: they weren't prosecuted, and there were ANTIEFA members there. I
Speaker 7: ran some of them in jail. Like I said, like
Speaker 7: the guy who got bab As shot. There was so
Speaker 7: much more to this that meets the eye, and the
Speaker 7: American people like just like the moon landing or the
Speaker 7: Kennedy you know, assassination or nine to eleven, whatever people
Speaker 7: actually think about these things. I don't want Jancanuary six
Speaker 7: to be one of these things. We're seventy years down
Speaker 7: the line. Regular Americans don't know what to make of it.
Speaker 7: I want the truth to come out. I don't if
Speaker 7: I die without a penny in my pocket or a pocket,
Speaker 7: I can die happy knowing that the truth finally came out.
Speaker 7: But we're just not there yet. Everybody diserves the truth,
Speaker 7: not even Jay six ER's everybody.
Speaker 1: Some forty thousand hours of video was concealed and when
Speaker 1: it got leaked, boy, people were on the hot seat
Speaker 1: for leaking video that the government or someone did not
Speaker 1: want released to the general public to show exactly what
Speaker 1: was going on inside the capital.
Speaker 7: Tim that's extreme, that's so true. Well, first, I'll let
Speaker 7: me say this, so I think, to the credit of
Speaker 7: some in Congress, they've released some of the CCTV on
Speaker 7: a rumble channel. You can find that there. It's not
Speaker 7: all of it though, there's still a lot missing. There's
Speaker 7: still a lot of cameras that have not been released,
Speaker 7: and they don't want to acknowledge it. And I think
Speaker 7: it's because they're protecting certain they'll call it a national
Speaker 7: security interest. I call it FEDS. But you're right. Here's
Speaker 7: the thing about an insurrection. Wouldn't you expect it if
Speaker 7: what happened at the Capitol was an insurrection. I say
Speaker 7: this all the time. Wouldn't it get more violent when
Speaker 7: people got in the building. It's like the exact opposite
Speaker 7: actually happened. The violence was a very specific parts on
Speaker 7: the on the Capitol grounds where cops were attacking the crowd.
Speaker 7: When people like myself walked in the building, we were
Speaker 7: taking selfies with statues. There was no violence inside the building,
Speaker 7: and that's the exact opposite of what would have happened
Speaker 7: if there was an attempt at top of the government
Speaker 7: when people were walking through velvet ropes like a museum,
Speaker 7: because that's what it was. There's CCTV of me in
Speaker 7: the Capital Visitor Center and I'm talking with police and
Speaker 7: people are hugging the cops and stuff. We're talking for
Speaker 7: like ten minutes and they're saying they're on our side
Speaker 7: before they had to escort us out, because that's around
Speaker 7: the time where Babbitt, unfortunately got shot. So there's way
Speaker 7: more than this than meets the eye. And there are
Speaker 7: so many defendants out there who, through your own personal
Speaker 7: footage shows the police are welcoming them in, allowing them
Speaker 7: to come in, saying, hey, don't break anything, don't steal anything,
Speaker 7: but this is your right there even officers saying I
Speaker 7: don't agree with you, but you have the right to
Speaker 7: be here. That's America and it's the people's house. So
Speaker 7: that's what people need to understand that it's not what
Speaker 7: they said, totally different perspective.
Speaker 1: You have the right to assemble and you have a
Speaker 1: right to redress your grievances with the government. It says
Speaker 1: so in the Constitution.
Speaker 7: And even if, by the way, even if you wanted
Speaker 7: to say it was a restricted area, which again people
Speaker 7: didn't know because barriers were torn down before we showed up,
Speaker 7: Even if that was true, you look at code pink
Speaker 7: during the Kabitaugh hearings, you look at environmental rioters after
Speaker 7: J six, you look at BLM before. The most you
Speaker 7: would expect from something like this would be a picketting charge,
Speaker 7: which is a local statue, or a misdemeanor, a federal misdemeanor. Worse,
Speaker 7: you wouldn't hunt people down across the country and paint
Speaker 7: them as domestic terrorists. Was unprecedented, and they weaponized an
Speaker 7: Enron scandal statue to turn us into terrorists. It was
Speaker 7: completely unwarranted and it's at a horrible precedent. And I
Speaker 7: always say this, I'm an independent, not just a Republican partisan.
Speaker 7: I'm an independent who supported Trump. I don't want this
Speaker 7: to happen to my political opponents. I wanted to stop
Speaker 7: and I want the truth to come out. It's a
Speaker 7: terrible precedent. What they did could be used against the left,
Speaker 7: you know, And it's ironic now that when they actually
Speaker 7: use the laws for the right reasons, like to deport
Speaker 7: illegal aliens, they say, oh, you're hunting down people for
Speaker 7: political reasons. It's like, well, well, even if that was true,
Speaker 7: and I don't agree with that framing, even if that
Speaker 7: was true, who set the precedent you did? He cheered
Speaker 7: it on. How they've cheered it on, when they cheered
Speaker 7: it on when they were hunting people down for not
Speaker 7: wearing masks in their own in their own in their
Speaker 7: own neighborhoods or whatever. These are the people who wanted
Speaker 7: people to have vaccine cards to fly. So I just
Speaker 7: it's just the past few years was a horrible precedent.
Speaker 7: I hope we can return to normalcy and get the
Speaker 7: truth back. But you are on point.
Speaker 1: So has anything changed at all with President Trump in office?
Speaker 1: You would you would expect maybe there would be a
Speaker 1: little bit more daylight or sunlight on this.
Speaker 7: Now, Well, let me I'll preface this by saying, I
Speaker 7: voted for President Trump three times. I willingly gave years
Speaker 7: of my life in jail in prison and refused to
Speaker 7: roll on him, refuse to blame him for what happened
Speaker 7: to me. I am loyal to President Trump, And I'm
Speaker 7: not going to blame him for what happened that day
Speaker 7: because I think he was set up just the way
Speaker 7: we were. And I'm grateful for being pardoned, and I
Speaker 7: think all of us more or less are grateful for
Speaker 7: the prison doors being opened up and people being released.
Speaker 7: But here's where we're at currently. It's now a year,
Speaker 7: roughly a year anniversary of the new administration. Approximately a
Speaker 7: few more people have been pardoned. Initially, Initially, some of
Speaker 7: the Proud Boys and oath Keepers were not pardoned. They
Speaker 7: were just commuted. A couple have been pardoned since there
Speaker 7: are still pardons that need to come for some of
Speaker 7: those people though, friends of mine, and they're still waiting.
Speaker 7: But here's here's where I'm at. The whole the whole
Speaker 7: message of really, my whole message this whole time has
Speaker 7: been about the truth and restitution. I think restitution is important.
Speaker 1: Tim, I'm sorry, I'm running out of time. I ask
Speaker 1: you a complicated question.
Speaker 7: I'll just say this. I think that I would like restitution.
Speaker 7: We need that, but more than anything, we need the truth.
Speaker 7: I think if President Trump wants his legacy to be member,
Speaker 7: to be remembered properly, he needs to give the information
Speaker 7: to the public about who set all of us up
Speaker 7: and the Jay sickers, President Trump and America. We need
Speaker 7: the truth out what we need.
Speaker 1: Tim Hale, God bless you and congratulations on being for
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. At January sixth, our friend John
Speaker 1: Gordon joins us after the news w and joining us
Speaker 1: for a few minutes. Is the man behind the Truth
Speaker 1: with John Gordon, a syndicated radio show that I'm sure
Speaker 1: is phenomenal. In fact, I've listened a couple of times.
Speaker 1: It is phenomenal. He is a syndicated radio host. He
Speaker 1: is also a person with extensive experience in the legal
Speaker 1: profession and the law, and he joins us now to
Speaker 1: start this hour. John wanted to ask you about the
Speaker 1: case against Nicholas Maduro and they're likening it to Manuel
Speaker 1: Noriega and the case there there are a lot of
Speaker 1: parallels and then there's somewhere they kind of vary off
Speaker 1: that parallel line scheme.
Speaker 3: But what do you think. Good evening and happy New Year.
Speaker 5: First, thank you to you, pleasure to be with you.
Speaker 1: What do you think about the government's chances in the
Speaker 1: Southern District of New York to prove their case eventually
Speaker 1: against Maduro and how long do you think this is
Speaker 1: going to take?
Speaker 5: Those are good questions that I don't have the answers to.
Speaker 5: You know, I think everybody was kind of caught by
Speaker 5: surprise that Trump decided to go and get pick him
Speaker 5: out of Venezuela and bringing to the United States. I
Speaker 5: was more surprised by the choice of venue that they
Speaker 5: took him to New York. I mean, Noriego was tried
Speaker 5: and indicted in Miami and convicted obviously, so it kind
Speaker 5: of makes you stretch your head a little bit, like
Speaker 5: what's going on? You know, the the juries in New
Speaker 5: York tend to be very liberal. You know, there there
Speaker 5: are koops who are saying that we should release him
Speaker 5: in the United States and let him run for president.
Speaker 5: Can you imagine anybody being that delusional and that whack?
Speaker 5: But it gives you insight into the type of jury
Speaker 5: that he may be facing in New York. And so
Speaker 5: was that by design? Was it intentional? Because certainly Trump knows.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's actually been in some New York courtrooms
Speaker 5: over the last few years.
Speaker 4: And you know, it's just so seldom.
Speaker 5: That anybody in government ever gets held accountable for anything. So,
Speaker 5: is this a way to get Maduro out of Venezuela
Speaker 5: act really tough, knowing full well that no jury is
Speaker 5: going to convict him, and we'll give him asylum somewhere.
Speaker 3: I just don't know.
Speaker 5: I'm purely speculating, but it does sound somewhat quizzical to
Speaker 5: me that we brought.
Speaker 3: Him to New York.
Speaker 1: Well, the story is that President Trump actually offered him
Speaker 1: free passage and asylum in Turkey and he didn't take
Speaker 1: the bait. But they've been planning this for months. John
Speaker 1: and I can't help but think with all of the
Speaker 1: planning that they put into this months and months, to
Speaker 1: know exactly what his habits are, to know exactly where
Speaker 1: he would be, to know exactly how many Cuban bodyguards
Speaker 1: there were trying to protect him, and all of the
Speaker 1: meticulous planning that there was also a lot of planning
Speaker 1: by the Department of State on what happens afterwards. People
Speaker 1: keep on question, well, what happens now there's a void?
Speaker 1: Is this regime change? Are they building nations after they
Speaker 1: said they were not going to be interested in nation
Speaker 1: building and stupid wars number one, that's not a war
Speaker 1: number two. I think that they have a strategy on
Speaker 1: how to approach Venezuela that we don't know about yet,
Speaker 1: at least I'm hoping. So what about you, I have
Speaker 1: my I only have theories. I don't have hard evidence.
Speaker 5: Of knowing, and I don't think anybody does, except a
Speaker 5: very small number of people. What is going to take place.
Speaker 5: But from a speculation standpoint, here's what I suspect. There
Speaker 5: were so many rumors and so much smoke surrounding the
Speaker 5: twenty twenty election in Venezuela and the Dominican machines and
Speaker 5: smart manic and I have been saying now on my
Speaker 5: on my radio show for a year that I felt
Speaker 5: that Donald Trump would be dismantling the deep state. And
Speaker 5: if you put it into the context of a book,
Speaker 5: I said, chapter one would be unraveling the Russia Russia
Speaker 5: Russia hoax that has occurred.
Speaker 6: We know.
Speaker 5: Incontrovertibly that Russia was in collusion with Russia was a
Speaker 5: fabrication that Hillary Clinton came up with, and they paid
Speaker 5: good money to have a script written that was pure fiction.
Speaker 5: And they even indicted President Trump over it, or tried
Speaker 5: to tried to impeach him over it, and they failed.
Speaker 5: So that's unraveled. The American people now know the truth
Speaker 5: of that. I think the twenty twenty election could be
Speaker 5: a big part of what is going on here, because
Speaker 5: I've been reading a lot of sketchy stuff that has
Speaker 5: resurfaced over twenty twenty with all points leading back to Venezuela.
Speaker 3: And so.
Speaker 5: I think that that will be chapter two. Chapter three,
Speaker 5: I think will be who took a crack at President
Speaker 5: Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. I hope chapter four will tell
Speaker 5: us a out building seven and chapter five who assassinated
Speaker 5: Charlie Kirk. They all have elements of the deep state intelligence.
Speaker 5: Fingerprints are there, the mos are there, and I suspect
Speaker 5: that this could be part and parcel of that.
Speaker 1: I would like chapter six to be about who set
Speaker 1: up the protesters on January sixth and who allowed that
Speaker 1: to happen?
Speaker 5: Really, Oh, I admitted a chapter you are so right nothing.
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, if you take any one of
Speaker 5: those things, you could say that they shock you to
Speaker 5: your core. And now we've got a pattern of things
Speaker 5: that just come in rapid secession that are like nothing
Speaker 5: could be this bad ever again or before, And damnit,
Speaker 5: they don't want up us at every turn, But I've
Speaker 5: got to put January sixth almost at the top of
Speaker 5: the list. But when you zoom out for thirty thousand
Speaker 5: feet and you look at what happened, you really have
Speaker 5: to be deaf, dumb, and blind not to realize that
Speaker 5: it was part of the stolen the election in twenty twenty,
Speaker 5: and it was purely designed as the best defense. So
Speaker 5: they cook up the insurrection, killing Ashley about it and
Speaker 5: one other lady in the process.
Speaker 4: Shame Roslyn Boyle. Thank you.
Speaker 6: It's just.
Speaker 5: Shameful and disgraceful that in this great country that these
Speaker 5: things could occur. And I want them to stop. And
Speaker 5: I saw Tucker Curlson last week saying, you know, we're
Speaker 5: holding all these people accountable. When are we going to
Speaker 5: hold law enforcement accountable? Amen, they're the ones who are
Speaker 5: supposed to be keeping us safe, and damn if I
Speaker 5: don't think they're in on it.
Speaker 1: Well, some elements, there's no question about that. Also, John Gordon,
Speaker 1: I just want to suggest to you that Venezuela is
Speaker 1: as much about and you made an excellent point about
Speaker 1: dismantling the deep state, but I think it is also
Speaker 1: the Monroe Doctrine on steroids and telling communists China to
Speaker 1: get out of our hemisphere.
Speaker 3: I think that has a lot to do.
Speaker 5: I totally agree with you, and you know, I think
Speaker 5: this is a way of saying to putin if you're
Speaker 5: going to move on the Ukraine and you're not going
Speaker 5: to end this war and do it in a way
Speaker 5: that is maybe not satisfactory to either party, but it's
Speaker 5: not totally objectionable. That something we can all live with. God,
Speaker 5: we're going to start behaving in the same way. So
Speaker 5: you want to move on Ukraine, fine, we're going to
Speaker 5: move on Colombia, Cuba.
Speaker 4: Colombia and then Cuba.
Speaker 5: We're going to protect our hemisphere and China get the
Speaker 5: hell out of Venezuela. If you're gonna start meddling in
Speaker 5: Venezuela and Panama, then we're gonna push back on you.
Speaker 1: Look Forward the Truth with John Gordon, syndicated radio host
Speaker 1: and our guest tonight. Thank you so much and again,
Speaker 1: Happy New Year, sir.
Speaker 4: It's always a pleasure to be with you.
Speaker 3: Thanks you bet.
Speaker 1: Dan was our second Amendment guy. Coming up next it
Speaker 1: is the Nightcap and a visit in the New Year
Speaker 1: with our old friend, the author of Good Gun, Bad Guy,
Speaker 1: the Good Gunbadguy dot com website, the Loaded Mike Show
Speaker 1: on YouTube, Second Amendment Enthusiast, the Gun Owners of America,
Speaker 1: and toe.
Speaker 3: Our friend Dan was is back.
Speaker 1: Dan twenty twenty five just concluded was a pretty good
Speaker 1: year for the Second Amendment, wasn't it.
Speaker 6: Hey, Gary Jeff, Yes, thanks for having me on the show,
Speaker 6: and yes it was. You know, although we're always we're
Speaker 6: always fighting against the gun grabbers to preserve our Second Amendment.
Speaker 6: Gun Owners of America, the National Gun Rights organization that
Speaker 6: I'm heavily involved with, had some major successes. And you know,
Speaker 6: if you'd like, we can, we can. I can start
Speaker 6: digging into them a little bit.
Speaker 1: Your friend Eric Pratt wrote about these and you did
Speaker 1: a video for them, and there are eight major points
Speaker 1: that people who are gun owners, who love their guns
Speaker 1: and love the Second Amendment, love their freedom, should take
Speaker 1: note of these as victories. Like you said that the
Speaker 1: fight is never over against the gun grabbers because they'll
Speaker 1: always come up with something else. But let's talk about
Speaker 1: the end of the zero tolerance rule real quickly.
Speaker 6: Zero tolerance was a was something that the Biden administration
Speaker 6: came up with where if if you're a gun dealer
Speaker 6: FFL and you make the slightest mistake, so let's say
Speaker 6: a paperwork error or a filing error or some sort
Speaker 6: of error. They had zero tolerance for that stuff and
Speaker 6: they would pull your license. So a lot of gun
Speaker 6: owners it was basically there the Biden administration's way of
Speaker 6: putting gun dealers out of business.
Speaker 3: All right, go ahead, and that's.
Speaker 6: What it's been overturned.
Speaker 3: All right, skip the n i c s.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so states like Michigan and Alabama. The KNICK system
Speaker 6: is the National Background Check System, which is really ultimately
Speaker 6: doubles as a registry. So some states are are able
Speaker 6: to bypass that now, and it would be great if
Speaker 6: we could all bypass it. But that's another huge win.
Speaker 1: And the Gun Owners of America and their lawsuit behind
Speaker 1: that effort.
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, coast to carry secured? What does that mean?
Speaker 6: So a couple of states, New York and California are
Speaker 6: among many who don't accept other other states, you know,
Speaker 6: handg on permits. So you're traveling, it makes it very difficult. Well,
Speaker 6: these two states got dragged into court and they have
Speaker 6: to now accept the concealed carry permits for those listed
Speaker 6: in the lawsuit and I think that was GOA members
Speaker 6: and some other litigants.
Speaker 1: All Right, a constitutional carry victory was had in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five by the gun owners of America.
Speaker 6: So this one's still being appealed by the Republican Attorney
Speaker 6: general and in Tennessee. But what this does is that
Speaker 6: it challenged the going armed statue. So in Tennessee they
Speaker 6: had a statute that said if you can't carry a
Speaker 6: gun if you plan on going armed, which means either
Speaker 6: you're using it for offense or defense. And you know,
Speaker 6: of course you're gonna want to use your gun for defense.
Speaker 6: So basically, yeah, so the law made it so you
Speaker 6: couldn't you couldn't carry a gun unless you're transporting it
Speaker 6: to or from the range sort of thing. So that
Speaker 6: got overturned in Tennessee. But like I said, the attorney general, Republican,
Speaker 6: you know, surprisingly is appealing that.
Speaker 1: In Virginia universal background check law was struck down in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five.
Speaker 6: Yeah, universal background check means basically means that they want
Speaker 6: to be able to do back run background checks on
Speaker 6: any any player arm transaction. Ever. And in other words,
Speaker 6: if they had their way, you couldn't even hand down
Speaker 6: a gun to your kid. In some cases you can't
Speaker 6: hand down to your step step children. So my friends
Speaker 6: are a Virginia Citizens Defensive League, great people over there.
Speaker 6: It's a great statewide gun rights group, and so evasically
Speaker 6: and uh and and one. So so now that universal
Speaker 6: background check system had got kind of blown out of
Speaker 6: the water. There's still is, of course, a background check
Speaker 6: system for other types of firearms, but but it's not
Speaker 6: as critical as the universal backgrounds.
Speaker 1: But it means that if you're a gun owner in Virginia,
Speaker 1: you can once again buy and sell firearms privately. Yeah.
Speaker 6: And I want to be careful how much information I
Speaker 6: give because I don't want to I don't want to mislead.
Speaker 6: So I'm not sure on the specifics of whether or
Speaker 6: not you can buy and sell and what guns you
Speaker 6: can buy and sell, So I don't want to comment
Speaker 6: too much on that.
Speaker 1: Okay, the Florida open carry ban overturned.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so Florida you could carry you could carry a
Speaker 6: firearm if you were going if you're fishing or hunting.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 6: But other than that, it was it was pretty much
Speaker 6: banned for open carry.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 6: And then so that got overturned. So now you can
Speaker 6: carry in open carry in And the thing about this
Speaker 6: one that really bugs me is that these laws, these
Speaker 6: open carry bands are really set up just because there
Speaker 6: are liberal anti gunners who either feel offended or scared
Speaker 6: when they see a gun in public, which it's time
Speaker 6: for them to get over there, to get over their
Speaker 6: irrational fear and not violate our Second Amendment.
Speaker 1: Well, it's also like the same group of people object
Speaker 1: to certain styles of rifles because they look like military
Speaker 1: grade weapons.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, I'm talking about if even sometimes liberals, like
Speaker 6: in New York State where I am, if the liberals
Speaker 6: see the handgun, they flip out. So you know, that's
Speaker 6: why some states require concealed and it's not it's not
Speaker 6: for any reason other than pretty.
Speaker 3: Much to.
Speaker 6: You know, appease the liberals because they don't like it.
Speaker 6: And so now when this stuff gets overturned and they're
Speaker 6: going to have to start facing their fear and start
Speaker 6: to get back into reality because we're America. Our founding
Speaker 6: fathers didn't worry about offending people. You know, there's second
Speaker 6: Member doesn't say the right of the people that keep
Speaker 6: the bare arms shall not be infringed unless you offend
Speaker 6: people by looking by letting them see your gun. No,
Speaker 6: we don't play that game anymore. So we're overturning a
Speaker 6: lot of this stuff and it's a really great time.
Speaker 1: You and I have talked many times about how awful
Speaker 1: red flag laws are in Memphis, Tennessee. That law is
Speaker 1: now dead.
Speaker 6: Red flag laws have to be the absolute worst thing,
Speaker 6: because what it really is it's a gun confiscation out
Speaker 6: of your home without due process. And every state, not
Speaker 6: every state has them, but a lot of states happen.
Speaker 6: I think about twenty nine states, twenty twenty four states
Speaker 6: something like that, and we have red flag laws, and
Speaker 6: many of them.
Speaker 4: You can be.
Speaker 6: Accused by someone who's not even a relative or anything.
Speaker 6: Anybody can pretty much accuse you in some states of
Speaker 6: being a risk to society, and they can go anonymous.
Speaker 6: In other words, they don't have to answer to anything
Speaker 6: if they make a false accusation about you. Yet a
Speaker 6: judge can take that accusation, sign off on it, and
Speaker 6: send the cops to your house to take your guns.
Speaker 6: Red flag laws are dangerous, and the Democrats like to
Speaker 6: use red flag laws along with registries and background checks
Speaker 6: because they want these universal background checks so they can
Speaker 6: have a registry, so they know where the guns are.
Speaker 6: And then the Blue states also want the red flag
Speaker 6: laws so they can have the vehicle to come confiscate. So,
Speaker 6: because you can't confiscate, lets you know where the guns are.
Speaker 6: That's why the two, the registries and the red flag
Speaker 6: laws work together. So it's a great success to get
Speaker 6: any red flag law overturned because that might set a
Speaker 6: precedent moving forward for other counties, other towns, other states.
Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly what the British wanted to know when
Speaker 1: they tried to put down the rebellion among the colonists.
Speaker 1: They want to know where the guns were. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: gun owners of American force from Missouri County Jackson County
Speaker 1: to reverse its gun ban in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: Dan, tell me about that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, this was Jackson County, Missouri. It was a ban
Speaker 6: on basically anyone eighteen to twenty years old who wanted
Speaker 6: to buy, you know, purchase a handgun. In other words,
Speaker 6: they were saying, you have to be twenty one years
Speaker 6: old to purchase a handgun. And that's not okay. You know,
Speaker 6: our founding fathers never said there's a certain age limit.
Speaker 6: And besides that, if you can go to war, if
Speaker 6: you can be tried as an adult, if you know,
Speaker 6: if you can do so many, you can.
Speaker 3: Vote, You can vote as an eighteen year.
Speaker 6: Old, you can vote exactly and you know, Uh, but
Speaker 6: yet they want to restrict the right of young adults
Speaker 6: to uh exactly defend themselves carried on exercise their their
Speaker 6: second Amendment right. So so this was another great president
Speaker 6: uh and and Gun Owners of America and it's sister company,
Speaker 6: Gun Owners Foundation, which I'm very involved with. What a
Speaker 6: bunch of great people, unbelievable organization. This is the no
Speaker 6: compromise UH gun national gun rights group. You want to
Speaker 6: be part of this organization. I urge everybody go to
Speaker 6: gun Owners dot org to become a member. It's really
Speaker 6: affordable and and the money helps fight these lawsuits. So
Speaker 6: I've been I've been a spokesman for g o A
Speaker 6: for a while. I do a video series for g
Speaker 6: o F on YouTube called bullet Points with Dan wasp
Speaker 6: people and check that out. But I a everybody check
Speaker 6: out Gun Owners of America. Go to Gunowners dot org
Speaker 6: and give them a look. They're really doing great things.
Speaker 1: Danny Wawz, thank you so much. We'll hopefully talk again soon.
Speaker 6: All right, Thanks so much, Pal, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: Happy New Year means having your gun and being able
Speaker 1: to defend yourself according to the Constitution and the Bill
Speaker 1: of Rights. It's the nightcap and it continues in moments
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW in to the last little bit
Speaker 1: of this nightcap on seven hundred WLW. I hope they'll
Speaker 1: give me a three hour show again instead of a
Speaker 1: two and a half hour show, because I'd love to
Speaker 1: do a three hour show with this guy, not just
Speaker 1: twenty minutes or whatever. But you know, I'll take what
Speaker 1: I can get. I'm going to be grateful. I am
Speaker 1: so happy to have him back. It's our old friend,
Speaker 1: the fur Ball Andy Furman.
Speaker 8: Hello, Well, I hope you had a great New Years
Speaker 8: and it's always a pleasure to talking to you. But
Speaker 8: you know what, there'll be such a pig. I heard
Speaker 8: you on with Sterling last night, so it's okay. You
Speaker 8: had your time last night with him, and you intimidated him.
Speaker 8: I mean, you really did get back him into a corner.
Speaker 8: I felt bare for the kid, I really did. I mean,
Speaker 8: so just back off a little bit, all right, I'm
Speaker 8: gonna make up for what you did to Sterling. Right now.
Speaker 8: Because here's the deal. I'll wake up to Spain. This
Speaker 8: is kind of a secret, but it wasn't a good secret. Okay,
Speaker 8: we all knew that Brendan Soresby, the quarterback at the
Speaker 8: University of Cincinnati, would not return. His name was in
Speaker 8: the portal, but it's official today. Was to pick up
Speaker 8: the inquiry this morning, one of the few who pick
Speaker 8: up to pick up the paper. That's a paper, not online,
Speaker 8: because I enjoyed the paper and I see he's signed
Speaker 8: for five million dollars to go to Texas Tech to
Speaker 8: play football. God bless him. I'm happy for the kid.
Speaker 8: But here's the deal. This is what I don't understand.
Speaker 6: Number One A.
Speaker 8: This portal should be open after the playoffs, after ball games,
Speaker 8: after the playoffs.
Speaker 4: Number one.
Speaker 8: Number two, that's the thing that I can't control. But
Speaker 8: here's the thing that really irks me. You're a guy
Speaker 8: that played with teams. They say football is a team sport.
Speaker 8: More often than not, the quarterback, at least on the
Speaker 8: pro level, like a Joe Burrow. He'll buy his offensive
Speaker 8: lineman swords or gifts are crazy items, dinosaur relics, you know,
Speaker 8: for for Christmas because they protect him it's all for one,
Speaker 8: one for all. So this guy, Brendan Sorosby busts his butt,
Speaker 8: goes to practice every day, plays with the guys. Okay,
Speaker 8: then when the big game comes against Navy and the
Speaker 8: Liberty Bowl, he bolts, how do you look at these
Speaker 8: guys in their face? To me, I just don't understand.
Speaker 8: I think it's the most despicable thing you could ever do.
Speaker 8: It's a thing that you go out for, you play,
Speaker 8: you play one for all for one. He knew he
Speaker 8: was going to Texas Tech. You know what, tell a
Speaker 8: Texas Tech staff, just let me play with my guys.
Speaker 8: These are my guys. I practice with them every day.
Speaker 8: I wanted to play with them. I led them here
Speaker 8: to the Liberty Bowl against Navy. Let me finish this.
Speaker 8: I don't get it. I just don't you know what.
Speaker 8: Let me continue. I know I'm rambling on here. But
Speaker 8: here's another thing where you know they say it's a
Speaker 8: team sport. I say team sport bajambag. You know, the
Speaker 8: New York Football Giants and the Pros. They were to
Speaker 8: tie end but Johnson last Friday night, it was the
Speaker 8: New York nick game. Okay, didn't practice all week long,
Speaker 8: with the New York Football Giants and said he was
Speaker 8: not going to play Sunday against Dallas, all right, in
Speaker 8: the season finale. But he's out there, you're not a
Speaker 8: good look, you know, sitting behind the bench at the
Speaker 8: Nick game and Madison Square Garden. Okay, they say he
Speaker 8: wasn't the full wasn't covid ID, but he was okay
Speaker 8: to go to a public event and he can't play football.
Speaker 8: I mean, come on, really, I mean, the guy's taking it,
Speaker 8: don't don't people see this that no one mentioned, No
Speaker 8: one talks about this stuff.
Speaker 4: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Tell me, well, Number one, I don't think that Brandon
Speaker 1: Soresby really felt like those guys on the UC offensive
Speaker 1: line protected him that well over the last five games.
Speaker 3: Maybe he just didn't.
Speaker 8: Don't know why he left.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, the midshipman in a in a
Speaker 1: meaningless bowl game, and it was a meaningless bowl game. Secondly,
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 8: Time time that I'm gonna I'm gonna break apart everything
Speaker 8: you say. First of all, they protected him enough to
Speaker 8: be one of the he's one of the all time
Speaker 8: great quarterbacks that you see. That's number one. Number two,
Speaker 8: it's not meaningless for the guys that suit up, maybe
Speaker 8: meaningless to you, maybe meaningless to think, you know, who
Speaker 8: is meeting it's for it's meaning for the players that
Speaker 8: involved in the game, the friends that parents, relatives, and
Speaker 8: it's also a meaning for gamblers because they gamble on
Speaker 8: these games. So don't tell me it's.
Speaker 1: Meaningful, okay, number one. Number one is the gambling thing.
Speaker 1: That's the only people it's really meaningful for. And yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe there's a player who will never ever play in
Speaker 1: the NFL or never suit up again.
Speaker 8: For you, it's meaningful for that game you ever played.
Speaker 1: Overall, for the university, I mean, there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of a payday, but overall it's pretty meaningless to the fans.
Speaker 8: Andy, I don't think so. I think it's a pretty
Speaker 8: good contingent of you see people along as whatever it
Speaker 8: may be, fans to make a day of it to
Speaker 8: drive down to Nashville to see that game. All right,
Speaker 8: but you know, we agree to disagree. You're that kind
Speaker 8: of guy.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to correct you again. They weren't in Nashville.
Speaker 3: It was a liberty bullet Memphis.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 8: And people do say there's the same thing in that state.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. This is where you're absolutely one
Speaker 1: hundred percent, maybe one thousand percent wrong for a ball.
Speaker 1: Nashville is not Memphis, and vice versa. I lived in
Speaker 1: Nashville and in Chattanooga for twenty years. Tennessee is a
Speaker 1: very distinctive three state state. In other words, if you're
Speaker 1: in Memphis, it is absolutely nothing like Middle Tennessee and Nashville.
Speaker 1: And if you're in Nashville, it is absolutely nothing like
Speaker 1: the Smoky Mountains and the Appalachians in the eastern part
Speaker 1: of the state.
Speaker 8: Okay, let me just tell you something that Nasville and
Speaker 8: Memphis do have something uncommon. If you're from them, you
Speaker 8: want to be If you're from there, you want to
Speaker 8: be far away from there. That's what they haven't call.
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 8: One of those guys you left, you both did. What
Speaker 8: are you talking about that? I don't love you.
Speaker 1: Back in Nashville if I could afford it. You want
Speaker 1: to talk about in affordability? Now, Nashville in the last
Speaker 1: thirty years has just exploded, and I probably couldn't afford
Speaker 1: a cardboard box on the side of the interstate living
Speaker 1: in Nashville. That's the only reason I'm not there. I
Speaker 1: love my parents, they're still there. I've got two brothers there,
Speaker 1: I've got lots of friends still in Nashville. I'd love
Speaker 1: to be in Nashville, just simply.
Speaker 8: And you know why US states in a minute or two,
Speaker 8: because every city in America differs from every other city. Cleveland,
Speaker 8: Cincinnati are different, but they know so don't don't give
Speaker 8: me that it's it's for commerce.
Speaker 3: Now, it's beyond the cities.
Speaker 1: The state itself is three distinctive geographical and and demographical areas.
Speaker 8: So in most states, what are you talking about? Buffalo?
Speaker 8: That's different than living in New York City and it's
Speaker 8: the same state. So come on, right, if you're.
Speaker 1: Living in if you're living in if you're living in Buffalo,
Speaker 1: you're a damn lot better off than if you're living
Speaker 1: in that hell hole you call New York City.
Speaker 3: Andy.
Speaker 8: You know what, say what you want. I'm just saying
Speaker 8: that there are difference is in various cities. Buffalo and
Speaker 8: New York differ, Okay, And that's just the way it is.
Speaker 8: There are different cities in every state that different. They
Speaker 8: have their own I guess charm if you want to
Speaker 8: say charm, we use that.
Speaker 3: Term, but don't confuse.
Speaker 8: Don't confuse back in their teammates. I didn't come here
Speaker 8: to talk about cities, all right, guys that really guys
Speaker 8: that bolt and just safe to hell with you.
Speaker 1: Another example, another example you gave me, was this guy
Speaker 1: from the New York Giants missing the last game of
Speaker 1: a meaningless season for another meaningless season for the New
Speaker 1: York Football Giants. It's it's unbelievable how much people care
Speaker 1: about these NFL teams that are continually downtrodden, and they'll
Speaker 1: never be in another Super Bowl, They'll never win a
Speaker 1: Super they are cursed like the Cleveland Browns, Andy the Giants.
Speaker 8: Funny you mentioned they keep on repeating the same term meaningless.
Speaker 8: Tell that to Zach Taylor. This team was out of control,
Speaker 8: This team was out of playoff contention against the Cleveland Browns,
Speaker 8: and he had I guess you could say the audacity
Speaker 8: or the hanging downs to say he was upset when
Speaker 8: Miles Garrett broke the record and they stopped play because
Speaker 8: he said we were on a roll. I mean to him,
Speaker 8: he was like, really in this bid time with both
Speaker 8: feet Okay, the game was to a sense meaningless, Okay,
Speaker 8: not to him. As I tell you before, and I'll
Speaker 8: tell you again, to people involved in the outcome, that's
Speaker 8: not meaningless to them, the coaches, players, wherever it may be,
Speaker 8: it's not meaningless to them, all right. And you saw
Speaker 8: that first hand with Zach Taylor Sunday afternoons, someone of
Speaker 8: a full of them, a record broken in a sporting event.
Speaker 1: They stopped playing exactly. They do that in every single major.
Speaker 8: Sport, right But you're still moving off the direction on
Speaker 8: going and we're not in the same lane right now.
Speaker 8: We started this conversation of players who work as a
Speaker 8: team as a unit and turn their back on their teammates,
Speaker 8: all right, and it's selfishness.
Speaker 7: I don't like it.
Speaker 8: I think it's wrong, all right, and it's got to
Speaker 8: be changed the college over. They can change it by
Speaker 8: changing the date of the portal you put your name
Speaker 8: with portal after the ball games.
Speaker 1: Why why are you blaming Brandon Soresby when he was
Speaker 1: going somewhere else and he didn't have a choice. Texas
Speaker 1: Tech said, if you're coming with us, you want the
Speaker 1: five mil.
Speaker 3: You gotta you gotta come now, right.
Speaker 8: So I'm not blaming him. I'm just saying that it's
Speaker 8: a bad look, that's all I'm saying. And what the
Speaker 8: look has to do to change is move the date
Speaker 8: of the portal after the playoffs and the bowl game
Speaker 8: so it doesn't look bad. It looks bad. You have
Speaker 8: to admit that it looks bad. You know, you're busting
Speaker 8: your butt all year long. You're saying, go Bearcas, let's
Speaker 8: go this, let's do that. And next year, by the
Speaker 8: way Texas Tech plays you see here in Cincinnati. I
Speaker 8: don't think he's gonna be I don't think the reaction
Speaker 8: is good.
Speaker 1: That'll be tasty, that'll be good. We love that drama.
Speaker 1: We love that kind of animosity built up. We love
Speaker 1: the rivalry. We we love the hate, Andy, we love
Speaker 1: the hate.
Speaker 8: Well, that's what sports is. It's it's a it's a
Speaker 8: method to, I guess, professionally get hate out of your system, right,
Speaker 8: isn't it? I mean, it's not what sports is.
Speaker 1: You know what wild Man calls wild man? Wild Man
Speaker 1: calls it to do Well, that's what he.
Speaker 6: Asked for breakfast.
Speaker 8: Okay, I don't want to talk about that, but you
Speaker 8: know that's what week that we call sports is as
Speaker 8: supposed to be relaxation. You know, competition whatever it may be. No,
Speaker 8: it's not. It's a venue for hate. It really is.
Speaker 8: When you think about it. You go to a game,
Speaker 8: go to a Steelers Bengals game. Fights fights, right, I've
Speaker 8: seen it. You know it's it's not good. It's not
Speaker 8: a good look. It really isn't. But that's what sports
Speaker 8: has done more probably more so in football and professional
Speaker 8: football than in any other sport. Although I do remember this,
Speaker 8: when Brigham Young came here to play the University of
Speaker 8: Cincinnati in football, they were chanting the F bomb for
Speaker 8: the Mormons, and then the athletic director and president of
Speaker 8: UC how to make an apology to Brigham Young university.
Speaker 8: Is it alcohol? Perhaps? Is it just stupidity? Stupidity perhaps?
Speaker 8: I don't know, uh that. You know, fans probably need
Speaker 8: to be lectured. Maybe before were you buy season tickets,
Speaker 8: So maybe before any ticket you should have to take
Speaker 8: a pledge. You know, how you'd be had to behave
Speaker 8: in the stands at a game. I don't know. I
Speaker 8: don't know how it could change, but I'll tell you what.
Speaker 8: Some games you go to not safe. You would not
Speaker 8: wear a fingles jersey in Cleveland.
Speaker 6: I just would do that.
Speaker 1: I got to tell you, I played church league basketball
Speaker 1: back when I was in like my high school years,
Speaker 1: because I wasn't good enough to play in a high
Speaker 1: school team, or I just didn't want to put forth
Speaker 1: the effort, but played church league basketball. We've played for
Speaker 1: the United Methodist Church in Hendersonville, Tennessee, and we played
Speaker 1: the Mormons. There was a Mormon church. They were some
Speaker 1: of the dirtiest players we ever played. The Baptists weren't
Speaker 1: as bad, the Catholics weren't as bad. The Mormons were awful.
Speaker 1: And believe me, the Mormons dropped F bombs. Andy, I
Speaker 1: heard it. I experienced this.
Speaker 8: What are you saying? I mean, I'm saying there was
Speaker 8: a group of people, you're the host school, and the
Speaker 8: fans in that stadium were kind of harassing and making
Speaker 8: fun of the Mormons, which I think, are you signed
Speaker 8: to say that that it's permissible? Where are you going with?
Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying you're you're saying you made the
Speaker 1: point that it was against the Mormons when you go
Speaker 1: out to If you go out to BYU and you play,
Speaker 1: I bet there's gonna be some Mormons who were dropping
Speaker 1: the F bomb on the opposing team.
Speaker 3: I'll bet you.
Speaker 8: And I'm not saying it's right, and I'm sure you're Beau.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's right.
Speaker 8: I've worked at all Roberts University, yes, and we played
Speaker 8: the Mormons. We played Brigham Young at Brigham Young, right,
Speaker 8: and I know when our guys came out there, we
Speaker 8: had thirteen guys in the team. I think they were like,
Speaker 8: you know, eleven African Americans and we played Brigham Young
Speaker 8: and Danny Ainge was on that team at the time,
Speaker 8: and I don't think there was one African American on
Speaker 8: that Brigham Young team. And our guys, I tell you, honestly,
Speaker 8: they were looking at the layup line. They were laughing.
Speaker 8: You know, well we lost by thirty five. All right,
Speaker 8: I'm just saying this is the way they said. That's
Speaker 8: that's human nature, and it's not right. Okay, it's not right.
Speaker 1: I'm not justifying. I'm not saying it's right. But you
Speaker 1: just made a point against the Mormons as they dropped
Speaker 1: the F bomb it you see, So so what if
Speaker 1: they're going.
Speaker 8: Don't win in it?
Speaker 5: So what?
Speaker 8: No, that's that's permissible. Watts.
Speaker 1: It didn't matter who you see. Fans drop the F bomb.
Speaker 1: Against Whether it's Mormons or if it was a bunch
Speaker 1: of heathens, it's still wrong.
Speaker 3: That's my point. Thank you. That's okay.
Speaker 8: President let it that had an issue an apology to
Speaker 8: the President. I let it there there a b yu.
Speaker 8: I thought it was disgusting. I mean, really, show show
Speaker 8: some class. Really could just show a little show some intelligence.
Speaker 1: I have a conspiracy theory. In Super Bowl x L
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and.
Speaker 8: Six, what does that stand for?
Speaker 6: XL?
Speaker 3: It stands for.
Speaker 8: Forty forty L fifteen on the left side, it's a
Speaker 8: minus ten, so it's forty.
Speaker 3: Right now, this is Super Bowl sixty.
Speaker 1: It would have been the lx the L.
Speaker 3: Twenty yeah, twenty years ago. Yeah, so XL forty.
Speaker 1: So anyway, in Super Bowl x L, the Pittsburgh Steelers,
Speaker 1: who at the beginning of the playoffs nobody thought was
Speaker 1: going to be in the super Bowl. They were the
Speaker 1: sixth seed. They were like the last guy in in
Speaker 1: the AFC and it was Jerome Bettis last year, and
Speaker 1: lo and behold, the Pittsburgh Steelers came from out of
Speaker 1: nowhere in the playoffs and wound up winning it all.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty six, Super Bowl L x sixty. Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers is quite possibly playing his last football game. Quite
Speaker 1: possibly the Steelers with deep DK Metcalf coming back, wouldn't
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me.
Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna win Aday night, but I think.
Speaker 1: I think maybe the fix is in to send Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers off with a Super Bowl trophy.
Speaker 3: Like they did with Jerome Bettis. Yeah.
Speaker 8: I'm not a Pollyanna kind of guy. I believe that
Speaker 8: everything is pure and clean and good, and you know,
Speaker 8: you sort of know you're sort of right in the
Speaker 8: sense that there are some calls that are questionable in football.
Speaker 8: I mean the other day when Notre Dame was playing
Speaker 8: basketball and then the Notre Dame coach went after the referee.
Speaker 8: That was a hideous call. Hideous call. It wasn't even
Speaker 8: a shooting foul and he called it, and the coach
Speaker 8: and not to day will apologize since I think if
Speaker 8: they didn't hold them back and it's going to beat
Speaker 8: the living daylights out of them.
Speaker 4: It was a bad call.
Speaker 1: Well, we were talking about you're talking about basketball in college basketball.
Speaker 1: We were talking about the NFL, and they're not fully
Speaker 1: legitimate calls which happened on a regular in that league.
Speaker 1: It's all dictated by some cabal who's kind of moving.
Speaker 8: I think there's no consistency because if they really wanted to,
Speaker 8: they could probably call holding on every play.
Speaker 3: Absolutely they could.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that would.
Speaker 3: Be much of the game.
Speaker 8: Right. Look, I will tell you this much. I think this.
Speaker 8: The human nature element is always involved, and I think
Speaker 8: there are officials right now who are fearful of blowing
Speaker 8: the whistle and at a very close play at the
Speaker 8: end of the game for fear of them being the
Speaker 8: story rather than the game being the story. I really
Speaker 8: believe that. And then again, if they don't blow the whistle,
Speaker 8: in fact, they still will be the story. I think
Speaker 8: there's a lot of pressure artificials. What to do. Do
Speaker 8: you swallow the whistle?
Speaker 7: Do you make the call.
Speaker 8: At the end of the game, because you really do
Speaker 8: not want to be the game story, but a lot
Speaker 8: of times they are if they blow it or they
Speaker 8: don't blow.
Speaker 3: It right there, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I've watched I've watched a lot of umpires, a lot
Speaker 1: of referees, and they want their moment in the spotlight.
Speaker 1: They want to they want to be they want to
Speaker 1: be the story. A lot of them, Yeah, they do.
Speaker 8: Some do, but I will tell you this. If I'm
Speaker 8: an official, I want to officiate a game like Indiana
Speaker 8: did against Alabama thirty eight to three. No problems, really,
Speaker 8: no problem.
Speaker 3: Money is what you want, right all?
Speaker 8: They don't throw any flags down.
Speaker 1: So you're talking about the transfer portal earlier and the
Speaker 1: coaching carousel that continues to run, which did for years before.
Speaker 1: The transfer portal for players and the end the money,
Speaker 1: the nil what ought to happened? And I've said this
Speaker 1: and you alluded to it earlier. There should be no
Speaker 1: There should be no movement of coaches or players until
Speaker 1: the entire season is finished, period, end of story.
Speaker 8: If you want to Lane Tifflin who left all he's
Speaker 8: still getting paid for all missile victories in the playoffs
Speaker 8: and now he's the coach at LSU, it doesn't make
Speaker 8: any sense. What an agent he must have. Huh think
Speaker 8: about that. But here's another thing. If you want to
Speaker 8: change the portal situation, I honestly believe that the portal okay,
Speaker 8: let the kids transfer. I don't know how you get
Speaker 8: that done, because I don't know how certain kids get
Speaker 8: into you. A favorite school, Vanderbilt that can't even read
Speaker 8: and write anymore. But I guess if they can play football.
Speaker 8: If they can, but the rules should honestly be A
Speaker 8: as you say after the playoff football games, and B
Speaker 8: you could only transfer one time, one time. Because that
Speaker 8: quarterback at Vanderbilt has gone to three different schools, I
Speaker 8: think this is the third college.
Speaker 7: Is Andy Well he went.
Speaker 8: He went to about four year school prior to Vanderbilt, two.
Speaker 1: I know, But but you said four different schools or three.
Speaker 1: He went to a junior college.
Speaker 8: First, and he went to New Mexico and another one
Speaker 8: I believe, But Brandon Sorosby, I think this is his third.
Speaker 8: That's ridiculous. I mean, really, one time, one time, one
Speaker 8: time only. And let me tell you also about the portal,
Speaker 8: which I don't think a lot of people think about
Speaker 8: because they think it's a good thing. If I'm a coach,
Speaker 8: I have my brothers on taking a kid in the portal.
Speaker 8: I'll tell you why. Obviously they're doing it for one
Speaker 8: on one reason only for money, I guess. But a
Speaker 8: kid who goes into portal probably is a malcontent because
Speaker 8: he's probably not playing. He's probably not happy, and honestly,
Speaker 8: I don't want them on my team. If he's not playing,
Speaker 8: so I gotta watch it very carefully if I'm looking
Speaker 8: in the the players, don't you agree. I don't think
Speaker 8: that that has become of age. I don't think people
Speaker 8: talk about that much. It's all the portal that's great
Speaker 8: that you see's got a chance to get people out
Speaker 8: of the portal.
Speaker 3: It's the same reason.
Speaker 8: With the portal. You know why why did Brendan's source
Speaker 8: he put his name in the portal? A because he's
Speaker 8: getting more money, but B he didn't play for a
Speaker 8: better team and he probably wasn't happy down the stretch
Speaker 8: when they lost their last five six games.
Speaker 1: And you see, well, do you think he was a
Speaker 1: part of why they lost those last five six games?
Speaker 8: And it wasn't him? No, it wasn't him.
Speaker 3: No, of course not.
Speaker 8: It wasn't everybody. I don't hold that. You know me,
Speaker 8: I have no filter. I would tell you, but honestly,
Speaker 8: I just think that if you're in the portal, there's
Speaker 8: a damn good reason why your name is in there.
Speaker 8: More often than not, you probably didn't play, you weren't happy,
Speaker 8: you didn't like the coach, And I'm gonna take a
Speaker 8: second look at you, and I'm afraid maybe you may
Speaker 8: pull the same maneuver on my team.
Speaker 1: Just same thing, the same thing they said about the
Speaker 1: Bengals for years. They need character guys, not not only
Speaker 1: guys that can play, but guys that aren't going to
Speaker 1: be a problem off the field.
Speaker 8: Well, now I have character guys that can't play. Well,
Speaker 8: they're not getting arrested, but they can't play. So I
Speaker 8: don't know. You've got to get a happy medium. I'd
Speaker 8: rather have guys that go to jail, but they could
Speaker 8: win me too.
Speaker 3: I'm with you. There you go the longest yard.
Speaker 8: Baby, there you go, fur Ball.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much again for everything you did last
Speaker 1: year and everything you did tonight. And now I've got
Speaker 1: to say so long, Alfederzan.
Speaker 4: Goodbye, see you bye.
Speaker 3: Aloha, goodbye, goodbye. He's gone back to wrap up.