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Speaker 1: On this fifth anniversary of January sixth, twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: when thousands of Americans were incarcerated, pursued, persecuted for merely

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Speaker 1: assemble and redress their grievances with the government. We have

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Speaker 1: Navy veteran, retired Navy Lieutenant commander. Let me set the

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Speaker 1: other side, but not with bitterness, not with petty anger,

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Speaker 1: but a message about faith and how it got him

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Speaker 1: through the entire experience federal detention, ten week trial, facing

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Speaker 1: possibly life and presen for simply being at the Capitol

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Speaker 1: on January sixth. And he has written an incredible book

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Speaker 1: story of corruption, persecution, survival, and victory. And he has

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Speaker 1: a message of things that we all need to be

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Speaker 1: mindful of as American citizens, about possibly what could happen

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Speaker 1: to us if the Strategic Implementation Plan for countering domestic

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Speaker 1: terrorism is weaponized again the way it was against those

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Speaker 1: January sixth defendants. And he joins us now, Tom it's

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Speaker 1: such a pleasure to have you. It's such a pleasure

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Speaker 1: to know that you have gotten through this not only

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Speaker 1: with flying colors, but as a beacon of light to

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Speaker 1: other people in other struggles they may be having with

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Speaker 1: your book about your faith. And I also, you know,

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Speaker 1: it kind of reminded me as I was thinking about

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Speaker 1: this interview Tom. Not to place any kind of correlation there,

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Speaker 1: but I think there's some similarities how the Apostle Paul

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Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, and the letters that he wrote while he

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Speaker 1: was being persecuted became the basis for a great deal

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Speaker 1: of our New Testament in our Christian Bible, with the

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Speaker 1: letters to these churches about perseverance and maintaining faith and

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Speaker 1: believing that God is in control. But it's great to

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Speaker 1: have you, Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me back here. It's

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Speaker 2: always a pleasure to speak with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So what about my analogy about the Apostle Paul.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's pretty heavy and it's very humbling.

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Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, you know, I spoke to

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Speaker 2: with the notes that I had smuggled out of prison

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Speaker 2: to my darling share, and she kept them, thinking those

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Speaker 2: But I wrote this thing not in the warm afterglow

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Speaker 2: of the victory provided by the Lord, ultimate victory, but

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Speaker 2: as I went through it, and it was it was

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Speaker 2: an awful thing. I wrote this to serve as a

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Speaker 2: of our nation that we refer to as the Biden administration,

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Speaker 2: but also to witness to the grace and the redemptive

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Speaker 2: power of a loving God. And as I participated in

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Speaker 2: my Bible study.

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Speaker 4: Every day with my darling wife.

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Speaker 2: The lessons of the Bible really rang through because I

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Speaker 2: could identify just as you talked about, I could identify

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Speaker 2: with how Paul was was just attacked and brutalized in

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Speaker 2: Sharon and I, my lovely wife, had to stay in

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Speaker 2: which is was pray. And you know it's just in Philippians.

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Speaker 2: It's okay to present your request to God, but with thanksgiving.

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Speaker 2: How about thanking him first, you know, for the effort,

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Speaker 2: which transcends all understanding, will guards your hearts and minds

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Speaker 2: in Christ Jesus. I never knew what that meant before

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Speaker 4: That was January sixth.

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Speaker 1: You didn't know, but God knew that was the important thing.

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Speaker 1: So let's go back to what brought you to the

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Speaker 1: detention and what exactly did Tom Caldwell do? What heinous

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Speaker 2: I went with my wife on j six to Washington, DC,

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Speaker 2: And so because I had actually met a member of

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Speaker 4: And that you can't even make that out. This is

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean talk about a lack of the intelligence

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Speaker 2: We could call them cheestone cops, except that generates an

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Speaker 2: image that's comedic, right, this is one that should be frightening.

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Speaker 2: When they have descended with SWAT team here at our home.

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Speaker 4: They had no idea.

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Speaker 2: They didn't know I was a veteran, and they didn't

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Speaker 2: In fact, they claimed in the press for months that

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Speaker 2: work for the FBI. I was a GS thirteen supervisory

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Speaker 2: how about just check the employee files of the Bureau,

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Speaker 1: All because you happened to know an oathkeeper and because

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Speaker 2: They had a list talking about the FBI people that

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Speaker 2: They were after something and they wanted me to provide

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Speaker 2: didn't even know. But that was the most heinous thing

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Speaker 2: where this was clearly an anti Trump operation. We talk

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Speaker 4: Get back and off. And I felt like a speed bump.

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Speaker 2: And they said, exactly what you said, bet your star

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Speaker 2: Bet you want to get rid of that naggi gear.

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Speaker 2: Now not let us stoop that up as evidence.

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Speaker 4: And I said, what is wrong with you? You know

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Speaker 2: I was when I was aroused it out after having

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Speaker 2: But you probably have to when you look at the

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Speaker 2: transcript of what I said, and I have it, and

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Speaker 2: some of it is in.

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Speaker 4: This book that I wrote.

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Speaker 2: You say, Okay, so now I have an idea of

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Speaker 2: Because I was I was given it back to him.

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Speaker 1: Let me tell you, Tom, what is this Strategic Implementation

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Speaker 3: And why should more Americans know about it than do.

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Speaker 2: It was something that was declassified by Tulca Gabbert, the

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Speaker 4: Both sides of the aisle.

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Speaker 2: So there was a thing that was corrected called this

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Speaker 2: Strategic Implementation Plan for Countering Domestic Terrorism.

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Speaker 4: It was activated across all agencies.

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Speaker 2: It was actually put in place just before January sixth,

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Speaker 4: And this was in this study. What should chill people

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Speaker 2: The history of the United States of America that our

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Speaker 3: So what exactly was it?

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Speaker 1: And as you outline in the book, by the way,

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Speaker 1: again we're talking to Tom Caldwell January sixth, defendant. The

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Speaker 1: book is The Mouths of the Wicked, a true January

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Speaker 1: I think that's a big thing that you're trying to

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Speaker 2: They threw every dirty trick they possibly could at us.

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Speaker 2: So many different agencies and administrations within the federal government

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Speaker 2: so many hundreds of others of our citizens to do

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Speaker 2: things that were unlawful, made phone calls to get our

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Speaker 2: credit cards canceled, they got us debanked, They stopped my

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Speaker 2: So all of these things that they did to drive

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Speaker 2: to things that I did not do. Now, to do

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Speaker 2: something like that is an affront to plead for mercy

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Speaker 2: do that? And I wasn't about to roll over, And

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Speaker 1: I mean, Tom, Tom, your phone went kind of wonky

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Speaker 1: Know, Accused murderers who were judged to be wrongly convicted

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Speaker 1: are recomferenced. I mean in the millions of dollars. Tom,

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Speaker 1: And the author and our guest, retired Lieutenant Navy Commander

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Speaker 4: And Sam to you, Garry, thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 1: You bet Tim Hale, another j sixer will join us

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Speaker 1: Ashley Babbitt was murdered that day by a Capitol police

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Speaker 7: saying they were set up. And the question is, well,

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Speaker 7: who set them up? If the Capital PD answered to

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Speaker 7: Nancy Pelosi and the MPD answered to Mayor Bowser, who

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Speaker 7: set them up, it wasn't me, so yeah, I mean

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Speaker 7: they Capital Police were treated like heroes though. And you know,

444
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Speaker 7: you know these the the fake Select committee hearing all

445
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Speaker 7: the police officers. I will say this about these officers

446
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Speaker 7: in particular, all the officers who testified in front of

447
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Speaker 7: Congress about JA six were one liars. Michael fanone liar.

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Speaker 7: His own body camera shows he was pretending to be

449
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Speaker 7: passed out. Uh, he was opening his eyes, winking and

450
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Speaker 7: adjusting his camera, screwing with his camera. He was he

451
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Speaker 7: was playing possum. Literally, it's that's a whole like facade there.

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Speaker 7: Officer done the big, the big fat one. He was

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Speaker 7: protected by the oath keepers who they tried to pretend

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Speaker 7: we're guilty of seditious conspiracy. The oath keepers protected protected

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Speaker 7: him from a mob, and then he lied and pretended

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Speaker 7: that his life was it was in danger. These are

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Speaker 7: sick people. Officer Gunnell, he lied as well, and all

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Speaker 7: of the officers. It was a female Officer Edwards. A

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Speaker 7: lot of people have criticisms of this guy, Ryan Samsel,

460
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Speaker 7: who was involved in one of the first breaches. But

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Speaker 7: in the in the hearings, it's funny they'd say like, oh,

462
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Speaker 7: she was passed out and she woke up in a

463
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Speaker 7: puddle of blood. That never happened. She tripped over a

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Speaker 7: fence and then this guy Ryan Samsel runs over to

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Speaker 7: her and picks her up and then they have like

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Speaker 7: a ten minute conversation later. This never happened. This is

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Speaker 7: called atrocity propaganda. It's what you would expect from Democrats,

468
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Speaker 7: but Republicans were in on it too. The congressional hearings

469
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Speaker 7: from before were a complete farce. And it's just important

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Speaker 7: understand I don't wish ill on police. So you had

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Speaker 7: people there with back the blue thin blue line flags.

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Speaker 7: It makes no sense that they would want to tussle

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Speaker 7: with the police for no reason. There was a riot

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Speaker 7: that was incited because the crowd was attacked and some

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Speaker 7: police officers there were good people, but there are also

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Speaker 7: these ones that they keep putting out, including like you said,

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Speaker 7: Officer Byrd who murdered a woman in cold blood, and

478
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Speaker 7: they put them on this pedestal like their heroes. They're not.

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Speaker 7: They're just not.

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Speaker 3: Was there another protester killed that day.

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Speaker 4: There?

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Speaker 7: So there were two men who died supposedly from natural

483
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Speaker 7: causes from LEO heart related is shoes. But there was

484
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Speaker 7: another woman who died at the Lower West Terrace tunnel.

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Speaker 7: Her name was Roseanne Boylan, and she went down in

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Speaker 7: the tunnel area and protesters were trying to retreat her body.

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Speaker 7: She was having a medical emergency, probably because of all

488
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Speaker 7: the mace that was deployed in her area in her direction.

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Speaker 7: She dropped. And then an officer named Lila Morris, And

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Speaker 7: I'm not saying she did this intentionally at a mouse,

491
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Speaker 7: but I think again because of incompetence. And she picked

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Speaker 7: up a stick like a like a branch, and she

493
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Speaker 7: started whacking. She started whacking Roseanne Boyland back and forth

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Speaker 7: while she was screaming. So I think she was in

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Speaker 7: a state of panic and trying to hit anyone around her,

496
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Speaker 7: but she kept striking the body of Roseanne boiling. Roseanne

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Speaker 7: Boylan died. There was a protester there named Ronal mackame

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Speaker 7: Ronald mcabee, a former sheriff from Tennessee.

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Speaker 3: I I have interviewed him.

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Speaker 1: He tried to assist Roseanne Boylan and he was pulled

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Speaker 1: off of her, and they acted like he was attacking them. Well,

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Speaker 1: he was trying to aid Roseanne Boilin.

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Speaker 3: Yes.

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Speaker 7: And by the time they end up pulling her body

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Speaker 7: into the tunnel, the officers they attempt to give her

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Speaker 7: some sort of resuscitation. They you know, they put the

507
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Speaker 7: system on her to shock her. They don't even take

508
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Speaker 7: the covers off. They don't know what they're doing, and

509
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Speaker 7: she's it's too late at that point. And then unfortunately,

510
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Speaker 7: one officer actually says to another, is that one of

511
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Speaker 7: theirs or one of ours? And they say one of

512
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Speaker 7: theirs isn't one of the protesters And they say fam

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Speaker 7: They didn't care.

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Speaker 3: So you go back to these people were set up.

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Speaker 3: You were set up.

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Speaker 1: The j sixers who wound up spending in many cases

517
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Speaker 1: years in prison, were set up. And the question you

518
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Speaker 1: asked was who set them up? Who set everybody up?

519
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Speaker 1: Who set the Capitol police up for failure and for

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Speaker 1: this nightmare that ensued. And I would suggest to you

521
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Speaker 1: you need to look deep within the covers of the government.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about elected officials. I'm talking about

523
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Speaker 1: the cabal that controls the administrative state, a fourth branch

524
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Speaker 1: of government that's unconstitutional that many of us believe and

525
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Speaker 1: know exists, and the same cabal that tried so hard

526
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Speaker 1: to keep Donald Trump out of the White House again

527
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Speaker 1: because he doesn't answer to them. Am I off base

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Speaker 1: in that.

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Speaker 7: Jim, No, not at all, sir. I think you're absolutely right.

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Speaker 7: I do think both parties, like both political parties, had

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Speaker 7: elements in Congress that probably had something to do with it.

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Speaker 7: I think both parties are culpable. But in terms of

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Speaker 7: the intelligence agencies, the law enforcement agencies, without a doubt,

534
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Speaker 7: there's no question about this. They were all present there

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Speaker 7: that day. The question is to what extent were they

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Speaker 7: culpable or involved, And the fact that we don't get

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Speaker 7: a clear answer on that makes it all the more suspicious.

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Speaker 7: You know, so far, they've admitted, kind of admitted that

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Speaker 7: there were approximately two hundred and seventy ish FBI agents presence,

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Speaker 7: that there were approximately thirty FBI informants or chs's presence.

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Speaker 7: They won't admit what they actually did. But if you

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00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 7: know anything like throughout your life, I'm sure you've seen

543
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 7: this thread in history or news where it's always worse

544
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 7: than they initially tell you. And so we know that

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Speaker 7: there were CIA assets deployed there that day. There were

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Speaker 7: canine units undercover. There were women walking around with baby

547
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Speaker 7: strollers who happened to have canine dogs canine units attached

548
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Speaker 7: to them. There were undercover MPD officers, the Electronic Surveillance Unit,

549
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Speaker 7: the Joint Terrorism Task Force. There were Bureau of Prisons

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Speaker 7: officers that were tacked out in DC that day. You

551
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 7: had cops who were actually stopping other cops who were

552
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Speaker 7: undercover because they failed to conceal their firearms and they

553
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Speaker 7: had to show ID to other police officers. This is

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Speaker 7: all on body cameras the public doesn't have. The Defense

555
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Speaker 7: Intelligence Agency had assets there that day. I know some

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Speaker 7: of them, the DEA, the ATF. You know, the fact

557
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Speaker 7: of the matter is the Department of the Department of Justice,

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Speaker 7: the Homeland Security, the Department of Defense. I give mine

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Speaker 7: so you know, for those that aren't familiar with our

560
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 7: past interviews, I was working for the government. I worked

561
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Speaker 7: for the Army for twelve years. I was and I

562
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 7: was an Army administrator, and I was a naval weapons contractor.

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Speaker 7: There were Defense Intel there were Defense assets there that day,

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Speaker 7: the d D, and I want to know how many

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Speaker 7: of them were working that day. Same with Homeland Security.

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Speaker 7: I think every three letter agency, even though it's it's

567
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Speaker 7: easy to point at the FBI because they're the most obvious,

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Speaker 7: I think Americans really need to start questioning what every

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Speaker 7: government agency was doing there that day. They should all

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Speaker 7: be audited. You know, I you had mentioned that we

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Speaker 7: were set up. I in particular, I crossed paths with

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Speaker 7: two FBI informants that day, and this is not something

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Speaker 7: that was made available to me at the time, but

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Speaker 7: through you know, research, I was able to identify FBI informants.

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Speaker 7: There was an FBI informant and the Proud Boys who

576
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Speaker 7: crossed paths with me, named James Knowles. He was never prosecuted,

577
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Speaker 7: but he was opening doors for people to walk through.

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Speaker 7: There was another one. His name was Michael Allen Jones.

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Speaker 7: This guy was a proud Boy and a Patriot Front informant.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if you know what Patriot Front is,

581
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Speaker 7: but for those who keeps me in those things where

582
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Speaker 7: these these fed looking guys and the khaki pants, the

583
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Speaker 7: white supremacy marching guys who just randomly show up right

584
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Speaker 7: that group is filled with informants, and this guy was

585
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Speaker 7: a sex offender and he was trying to get me

586
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Speaker 7: to move barriers that day. And they never gave me

587
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Speaker 7: the video, but they played it at my trial to

588
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Speaker 7: make it look like I was breaching things when I

589
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Speaker 7: was not. There were FBI informants all over the place,

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Speaker 7: they weren't prosecuted, and there were ANTIEFA members there. I

591
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Speaker 7: ran some of them in jail. Like I said, like

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Speaker 7: the guy who got bab As shot. There was so

593
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Speaker 7: much more to this that meets the eye, and the

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Speaker 7: American people like just like the moon landing or the

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Speaker 7: Kennedy you know, assassination or nine to eleven, whatever people

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Speaker 7: actually think about these things. I don't want Jancanuary six

597
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Speaker 7: to be one of these things. We're seventy years down

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Speaker 7: the line. Regular Americans don't know what to make of it.

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Speaker 7: I want the truth to come out. I don't if

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Speaker 7: I die without a penny in my pocket or a pocket,

601
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Speaker 7: I can die happy knowing that the truth finally came out.

602
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Speaker 7: But we're just not there yet. Everybody diserves the truth,

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Speaker 7: not even Jay six ER's everybody.

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Speaker 1: Some forty thousand hours of video was concealed and when

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Speaker 1: it got leaked, boy, people were on the hot seat

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Speaker 1: for leaking video that the government or someone did not

607
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Speaker 1: want released to the general public to show exactly what

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Speaker 1: was going on inside the capital.

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Speaker 7: Tim that's extreme, that's so true. Well, first, I'll let

610
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Speaker 7: me say this, so I think, to the credit of

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Speaker 7: some in Congress, they've released some of the CCTV on

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Speaker 7: a rumble channel. You can find that there. It's not

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Speaker 7: all of it though, there's still a lot missing. There's

614
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Speaker 7: still a lot of cameras that have not been released,

615
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Speaker 7: and they don't want to acknowledge it. And I think

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Speaker 7: it's because they're protecting certain they'll call it a national

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Speaker 7: security interest. I call it FEDS. But you're right. Here's

618
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Speaker 7: the thing about an insurrection. Wouldn't you expect it if

619
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Speaker 7: what happened at the Capitol was an insurrection. I say

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Speaker 7: this all the time. Wouldn't it get more violent when

621
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Speaker 7: people got in the building. It's like the exact opposite

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Speaker 7: actually happened. The violence was a very specific parts on

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Speaker 7: the on the Capitol grounds where cops were attacking the crowd.

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Speaker 7: When people like myself walked in the building, we were

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Speaker 7: taking selfies with statues. There was no violence inside the building,

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Speaker 7: and that's the exact opposite of what would have happened

627
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Speaker 7: if there was an attempt at top of the government

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Speaker 7: when people were walking through velvet ropes like a museum,

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Speaker 7: because that's what it was. There's CCTV of me in

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Speaker 7: the Capital Visitor Center and I'm talking with police and

631
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Speaker 7: people are hugging the cops and stuff. We're talking for

632
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Speaker 7: like ten minutes and they're saying they're on our side

633
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Speaker 7: before they had to escort us out, because that's around

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Speaker 7: the time where Babbitt, unfortunately got shot. So there's way

635
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Speaker 7: more than this than meets the eye. And there are

636
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Speaker 7: so many defendants out there who, through your own personal

637
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 7: footage shows the police are welcoming them in, allowing them

638
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Speaker 7: to come in, saying, hey, don't break anything, don't steal anything,

639
00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:09,799
Speaker 7: but this is your right there even officers saying I

640
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:11,840
Speaker 7: don't agree with you, but you have the right to

641
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Speaker 7: be here. That's America and it's the people's house. So

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Speaker 7: that's what people need to understand that it's not what

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Speaker 7: they said, totally different perspective.

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Speaker 1: You have the right to assemble and you have a

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Speaker 1: right to redress your grievances with the government. It says

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Speaker 1: so in the Constitution.

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Speaker 7: And even if, by the way, even if you wanted

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Speaker 7: to say it was a restricted area, which again people

649
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Speaker 7: didn't know because barriers were torn down before we showed up,

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Speaker 7: Even if that was true, you look at code pink

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Speaker 7: during the Kabitaugh hearings, you look at environmental rioters after

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Speaker 7: J six, you look at BLM before. The most you

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Speaker 7: would expect from something like this would be a picketting charge,

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Speaker 7: which is a local statue, or a misdemeanor, a federal misdemeanor. Worse,

655
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Speaker 7: you wouldn't hunt people down across the country and paint

656
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Speaker 7: them as domestic terrorists. Was unprecedented, and they weaponized an

657
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Speaker 7: Enron scandal statue to turn us into terrorists. It was

658
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Speaker 7: completely unwarranted and it's at a horrible precedent. And I

659
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Speaker 7: always say this, I'm an independent, not just a Republican partisan.

660
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Speaker 7: I'm an independent who supported Trump. I don't want this

661
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Speaker 7: to happen to my political opponents. I wanted to stop

662
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Speaker 7: and I want the truth to come out. It's a

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Speaker 7: terrible precedent. What they did could be used against the left,

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Speaker 7: you know, And it's ironic now that when they actually

665
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Speaker 7: use the laws for the right reasons, like to deport

666
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Speaker 7: illegal aliens, they say, oh, you're hunting down people for

667
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Speaker 7: political reasons. It's like, well, well, even if that was true,

668
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Speaker 7: and I don't agree with that framing, even if that

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Speaker 7: was true, who set the precedent you did? He cheered

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Speaker 7: it on. How they've cheered it on, when they cheered

671
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Speaker 7: it on when they were hunting people down for not

672
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Speaker 7: wearing masks in their own in their own in their

673
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Speaker 7: own neighborhoods or whatever. These are the people who wanted

674
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Speaker 7: people to have vaccine cards to fly. So I just

675
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Speaker 7: it's just the past few years was a horrible precedent.

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Speaker 7: I hope we can return to normalcy and get the

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Speaker 7: truth back. But you are on point.

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Speaker 1: So has anything changed at all with President Trump in office?

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Speaker 1: You would you would expect maybe there would be a

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Speaker 1: little bit more daylight or sunlight on this.

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Speaker 7: Now, Well, let me I'll preface this by saying, I

682
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Speaker 7: voted for President Trump three times. I willingly gave years

683
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Speaker 7: of my life in jail in prison and refused to

684
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Speaker 7: roll on him, refuse to blame him for what happened

685
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Speaker 7: to me. I am loyal to President Trump, And I'm

686
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Speaker 7: not going to blame him for what happened that day

687
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Speaker 7: because I think he was set up just the way

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Speaker 7: we were. And I'm grateful for being pardoned, and I

689
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Speaker 7: think all of us more or less are grateful for

690
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Speaker 7: the prison doors being opened up and people being released.

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Speaker 7: But here's where we're at currently. It's now a year,

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Speaker 7: roughly a year anniversary of the new administration. Approximately a

693
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Speaker 7: few more people have been pardoned. Initially, Initially, some of

694
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Speaker 7: the Proud Boys and oath Keepers were not pardoned. They

695
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:08,759
Speaker 7: were just commuted. A couple have been pardoned since there

696
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:10,719
Speaker 7: are still pardons that need to come for some of

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Speaker 7: those people though, friends of mine, and they're still waiting.

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Speaker 7: But here's here's where I'm at. The whole the whole

699
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Speaker 7: message of really, my whole message this whole time has

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Speaker 7: been about the truth and restitution. I think restitution is important.

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Speaker 1: Tim, I'm sorry, I'm running out of time. I ask

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Speaker 1: you a complicated question.

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Speaker 7: I'll just say this. I think that I would like restitution.

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Speaker 7: We need that, but more than anything, we need the truth.

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Speaker 7: I think if President Trump wants his legacy to be member,

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Speaker 7: to be remembered properly, he needs to give the information

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Speaker 7: to the public about who set all of us up

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Speaker 7: and the Jay sickers, President Trump and America. We need

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Speaker 7: the truth out what we need.

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Speaker 1: Tim Hale, God bless you and congratulations on being for

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. At January sixth, our friend John

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Speaker 1: Gordon joins us after the news w and joining us

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Speaker 1: for a few minutes. Is the man behind the Truth

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Speaker 1: with John Gordon, a syndicated radio show that I'm sure

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Speaker 1: is phenomenal. In fact, I've listened a couple of times.

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Speaker 1: It is phenomenal. He is a syndicated radio host. He

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Speaker 1: is also a person with extensive experience in the legal

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Speaker 1: profession and the law, and he joins us now to

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Speaker 1: start this hour. John wanted to ask you about the

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Speaker 1: case against Nicholas Maduro and they're likening it to Manuel

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Speaker 1: Noriega and the case there there are a lot of

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Speaker 1: parallels and then there's somewhere they kind of vary off

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Speaker 1: that parallel line scheme.

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Speaker 3: But what do you think. Good evening and happy New Year.

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Speaker 5: First, thank you to you, pleasure to be with you.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about the government's chances in the

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Speaker 1: Southern District of New York to prove their case eventually

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Speaker 1: against Maduro and how long do you think this is

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Speaker 1: going to take?

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Speaker 5: Those are good questions that I don't have the answers to.

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Speaker 5: You know, I think everybody was kind of caught by

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Speaker 5: surprise that Trump decided to go and get pick him

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Speaker 5: out of Venezuela and bringing to the United States. I

734
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Speaker 5: was more surprised by the choice of venue that they

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Speaker 5: took him to New York. I mean, Noriego was tried

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Speaker 5: and indicted in Miami and convicted obviously, so it kind

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Speaker 5: of makes you stretch your head a little bit, like

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Speaker 5: what's going on? You know, the the juries in New

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Speaker 5: York tend to be very liberal. You know, there there

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Speaker 5: are koops who are saying that we should release him

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Speaker 5: in the United States and let him run for president.

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Speaker 5: Can you imagine anybody being that delusional and that whack?

743
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Speaker 5: But it gives you insight into the type of jury

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Speaker 5: that he may be facing in New York. And so

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Speaker 5: was that by design? Was it intentional? Because certainly Trump knows.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's actually been in some New York courtrooms

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Speaker 5: over the last few years.

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Speaker 4: And you know, it's just so seldom.

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Speaker 5: That anybody in government ever gets held accountable for anything. So,

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Speaker 5: is this a way to get Maduro out of Venezuela

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Speaker 5: act really tough, knowing full well that no jury is

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Speaker 5: going to convict him, and we'll give him asylum somewhere.

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Speaker 3: I just don't know.

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Speaker 5: I'm purely speculating, but it does sound somewhat quizzical to

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Speaker 5: me that we brought.

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Speaker 3: Him to New York.

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Speaker 1: Well, the story is that President Trump actually offered him

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Speaker 1: free passage and asylum in Turkey and he didn't take

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Speaker 1: the bait. But they've been planning this for months. John

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Speaker 1: and I can't help but think with all of the

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Speaker 1: planning that they put into this months and months, to

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Speaker 1: know exactly what his habits are, to know exactly where

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Speaker 1: he would be, to know exactly how many Cuban bodyguards

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Speaker 1: there were trying to protect him, and all of the

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Speaker 1: meticulous planning that there was also a lot of planning

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Speaker 1: by the Department of State on what happens afterwards. People

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Speaker 1: keep on question, well, what happens now there's a void?

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Speaker 1: Is this regime change? Are they building nations after they

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Speaker 1: said they were not going to be interested in nation

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Speaker 1: building and stupid wars number one, that's not a war

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Speaker 1: number two. I think that they have a strategy on

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Speaker 1: how to approach Venezuela that we don't know about yet,

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Speaker 1: at least I'm hoping. So what about you, I have

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Speaker 1: my I only have theories. I don't have hard evidence.

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Speaker 5: Of knowing, and I don't think anybody does, except a

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Speaker 5: very small number of people. What is going to take place.

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Speaker 5: But from a speculation standpoint, here's what I suspect. There

778
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Speaker 5: were so many rumors and so much smoke surrounding the

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Speaker 5: twenty twenty election in Venezuela and the Dominican machines and

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Speaker 5: smart manic and I have been saying now on my

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Speaker 5: on my radio show for a year that I felt

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Speaker 5: that Donald Trump would be dismantling the deep state. And

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Speaker 5: if you put it into the context of a book,

784
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Speaker 5: I said, chapter one would be unraveling the Russia Russia

785
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Speaker 5: Russia hoax that has occurred.

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Speaker 6: We know.

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Speaker 5: Incontrovertibly that Russia was in collusion with Russia was a

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Speaker 5: fabrication that Hillary Clinton came up with, and they paid

789
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Speaker 5: good money to have a script written that was pure fiction.

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Speaker 5: And they even indicted President Trump over it, or tried

791
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Speaker 5: to tried to impeach him over it, and they failed.

792
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,080
Speaker 5: So that's unraveled. The American people now know the truth

793
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Speaker 5: of that. I think the twenty twenty election could be

794
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Speaker 5: a big part of what is going on here, because

795
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Speaker 5: I've been reading a lot of sketchy stuff that has

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Speaker 5: resurfaced over twenty twenty with all points leading back to Venezuela.

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Speaker 3: And so.

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Speaker 5: I think that that will be chapter two. Chapter three,

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Speaker 5: I think will be who took a crack at President

800
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Speaker 5: Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. I hope chapter four will tell

801
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 5: us a out building seven and chapter five who assassinated

802
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 5: Charlie Kirk. They all have elements of the deep state intelligence.

803
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 5: Fingerprints are there, the mos are there, and I suspect

804
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Speaker 5: that this could be part and parcel of that.

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Speaker 1: I would like chapter six to be about who set

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Speaker 1: up the protesters on January sixth and who allowed that

807
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Speaker 1: to happen?

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Speaker 5: Really, Oh, I admitted a chapter you are so right nothing.

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00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, if you take any one of

810
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Speaker 5: those things, you could say that they shock you to

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Speaker 5: your core. And now we've got a pattern of things

812
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:53,760
Speaker 5: that just come in rapid secession that are like nothing

813
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Speaker 5: could be this bad ever again or before, And damnit,

814
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,399
Speaker 5: they don't want up us at every turn, But I've

815
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Speaker 5: got to put January sixth almost at the top of

816
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Speaker 5: the list. But when you zoom out for thirty thousand

817
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 5: feet and you look at what happened, you really have

818
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Speaker 5: to be deaf, dumb, and blind not to realize that

819
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Speaker 5: it was part of the stolen the election in twenty twenty,

820
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Speaker 5: and it was purely designed as the best defense. So

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Speaker 5: they cook up the insurrection, killing Ashley about it and

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Speaker 5: one other lady in the process.

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Speaker 4: Shame Roslyn Boyle. Thank you.

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Speaker 6: It's just.

825
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Speaker 5: Shameful and disgraceful that in this great country that these

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Speaker 5: things could occur. And I want them to stop. And

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Speaker 5: I saw Tucker Curlson last week saying, you know, we're

828
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Speaker 5: holding all these people accountable. When are we going to

829
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Speaker 5: hold law enforcement accountable? Amen, they're the ones who are

830
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Speaker 5: supposed to be keeping us safe, and damn if I

831
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Speaker 5: don't think they're in on it.

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Speaker 1: Well, some elements, there's no question about that. Also, John Gordon,

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Speaker 1: I just want to suggest to you that Venezuela is

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Speaker 1: as much about and you made an excellent point about

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Speaker 1: dismantling the deep state, but I think it is also

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Speaker 1: the Monroe Doctrine on steroids and telling communists China to

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Speaker 1: get out of our hemisphere.

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Speaker 3: I think that has a lot to do.

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Speaker 5: I totally agree with you, and you know, I think

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Speaker 5: this is a way of saying to putin if you're

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Speaker 5: going to move on the Ukraine and you're not going

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Speaker 5: to end this war and do it in a way

843
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 5: that is maybe not satisfactory to either party, but it's

844
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Speaker 5: not totally objectionable. That something we can all live with. God,

845
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Speaker 5: we're going to start behaving in the same way. So

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Speaker 5: you want to move on Ukraine, fine, we're going to

847
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Speaker 5: move on Colombia, Cuba.

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Speaker 4: Colombia and then Cuba.

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Speaker 5: We're going to protect our hemisphere and China get the

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Speaker 5: hell out of Venezuela. If you're gonna start meddling in

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Speaker 5: Venezuela and Panama, then we're gonna push back on you.

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Speaker 1: Look Forward the Truth with John Gordon, syndicated radio host

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Speaker 1: and our guest tonight. Thank you so much and again,

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Speaker 1: Happy New Year, sir.

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Speaker 4: It's always a pleasure to be with you.

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Speaker 3: Thanks you bet.

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Speaker 1: Dan was our second Amendment guy. Coming up next it

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Speaker 1: is the Nightcap and a visit in the New Year

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Speaker 1: with our old friend, the author of Good Gun, Bad Guy,

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Speaker 1: the Good Gunbadguy dot com website, the Loaded Mike Show

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Speaker 1: on YouTube, Second Amendment Enthusiast, the Gun Owners of America,

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Speaker 1: and toe.

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Speaker 3: Our friend Dan was is back.

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Speaker 1: Dan twenty twenty five just concluded was a pretty good

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Speaker 1: year for the Second Amendment, wasn't it.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Gary Jeff, Yes, thanks for having me on the show,

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Speaker 6: and yes it was. You know, although we're always we're

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Speaker 6: always fighting against the gun grabbers to preserve our Second Amendment.

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Speaker 6: Gun Owners of America, the National Gun Rights organization that

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Speaker 6: I'm heavily involved with, had some major successes. And you know,

871
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Speaker 6: if you'd like, we can, we can. I can start

872
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 6: digging into them a little bit.

873
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: Your friend Eric Pratt wrote about these and you did

874
00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: a video for them, and there are eight major points

875
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 1: that people who are gun owners, who love their guns

876
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: and love the Second Amendment, love their freedom, should take

877
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: note of these as victories. Like you said that the

878
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:48,359
Speaker 1: fight is never over against the gun grabbers because they'll

879
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: always come up with something else. But let's talk about

880
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 1: the end of the zero tolerance rule real quickly.

881
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:58,360
Speaker 6: Zero tolerance was a was something that the Biden administration

882
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 6: came up with where if if you're a gun dealer

883
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,759
Speaker 6: FFL and you make the slightest mistake, so let's say

884
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:08,560
Speaker 6: a paperwork error or a filing error or some sort

885
00:51:08,560 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 6: of error. They had zero tolerance for that stuff and

886
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 6: they would pull your license. So a lot of gun

887
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 6: owners it was basically there the Biden administration's way of

888
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 6: putting gun dealers out of business.

889
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:25,800
Speaker 3: All right, go ahead, and that's.

890
00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 6: What it's been overturned.

891
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 3: All right, skip the n i c s.

892
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:37,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, so states like Michigan and Alabama. The KNICK system

893
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:41,000
Speaker 6: is the National Background Check System, which is really ultimately

894
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 6: doubles as a registry. So some states are are able

895
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 6: to bypass that now, and it would be great if

896
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 6: we could all bypass it. But that's another huge win.

897
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: And the Gun Owners of America and their lawsuit behind

898
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 1: that effort.

899
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:02,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh, coast to carry secured? What does that mean?

900
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 6: So a couple of states, New York and California are

901
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 6: among many who don't accept other other states, you know,

902
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,959
Speaker 6: handg on permits. So you're traveling, it makes it very difficult. Well,

903
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 6: these two states got dragged into court and they have

904
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:28,240
Speaker 6: to now accept the concealed carry permits for those listed

905
00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 6: in the lawsuit and I think that was GOA members

906
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 6: and some other litigants.

907
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:38,480
Speaker 1: All Right, a constitutional carry victory was had in twenty

908
00:52:38,520 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: twenty five by the gun owners of America.

909
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,040
Speaker 6: So this one's still being appealed by the Republican Attorney

910
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 6: general and in Tennessee. But what this does is that

911
00:52:50,120 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 6: it challenged the going armed statue. So in Tennessee they

912
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 6: had a statute that said if you can't carry a

913
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:02,120
Speaker 6: gun if you plan on going armed, which means either

914
00:53:02,120 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 6: you're using it for offense or defense. And you know,

915
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,720
Speaker 6: of course you're gonna want to use your gun for defense.

916
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 6: So basically, yeah, so the law made it so you

917
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 6: couldn't you couldn't carry a gun unless you're transporting it

918
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 6: to or from the range sort of thing. So that

919
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 6: got overturned in Tennessee. But like I said, the attorney general, Republican,

920
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,200
Speaker 6: you know, surprisingly is appealing that.

921
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: In Virginia universal background check law was struck down in

922
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five.

923
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:36,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, universal background check means basically means that they want

924
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 6: to be able to do back run background checks on

925
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 6: any any player arm transaction. Ever. And in other words,

926
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 6: if they had their way, you couldn't even hand down

927
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 6: a gun to your kid. In some cases you can't

928
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 6: hand down to your step step children. So my friends

929
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 6: are a Virginia Citizens Defensive League, great people over there.

930
00:53:55,320 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 6: It's a great statewide gun rights group, and so evasically

931
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,600
Speaker 6: and uh and and one. So so now that universal

932
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 6: background check system had got kind of blown out of

933
00:54:05,840 --> 00:54:08,480
Speaker 6: the water. There's still is, of course, a background check

934
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,880
Speaker 6: system for other types of firearms, but but it's not

935
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,120
Speaker 6: as critical as the universal backgrounds.

936
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:17,120
Speaker 1: But it means that if you're a gun owner in Virginia,

937
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: you can once again buy and sell firearms privately. Yeah.

938
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,880
Speaker 6: And I want to be careful how much information I

939
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 6: give because I don't want to I don't want to mislead.

940
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 6: So I'm not sure on the specifics of whether or

941
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 6: not you can buy and sell and what guns you

942
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 6: can buy and sell, So I don't want to comment

943
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:32,719
Speaker 6: too much on that.

944
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:36,720
Speaker 1: Okay, the Florida open carry ban overturned.

945
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, so Florida you could carry you could carry a

946
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 6: firearm if you were going if you're fishing or hunting.

947
00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 5: Uh.

948
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 6: But other than that, it was it was pretty much

949
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 6: banned for open carry.

950
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 3: Uh.

951
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 6: And then so that got overturned. So now you can

952
00:54:57,840 --> 00:55:01,440
Speaker 6: carry in open carry in And the thing about this

953
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 6: one that really bugs me is that these laws, these

954
00:55:04,040 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 6: open carry bands are really set up just because there

955
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:12,040
Speaker 6: are liberal anti gunners who either feel offended or scared

956
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:14,919
Speaker 6: when they see a gun in public, which it's time

957
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:16,839
Speaker 6: for them to get over there, to get over their

958
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,880
Speaker 6: irrational fear and not violate our Second Amendment.

959
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 1: Well, it's also like the same group of people object

960
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 1: to certain styles of rifles because they look like military

961
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:31,920
Speaker 1: grade weapons.

962
00:55:32,360 --> 00:55:37,239
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, I'm talking about if even sometimes liberals, like

963
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,360
Speaker 6: in New York State where I am, if the liberals

964
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,160
Speaker 6: see the handgun, they flip out. So you know, that's

965
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:47,279
Speaker 6: why some states require concealed and it's not it's not

966
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 6: for any reason other than pretty.

967
00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 3: Much to.

968
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 6: You know, appease the liberals because they don't like it.

969
00:55:56,719 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 6: And so now when this stuff gets overturned and they're

970
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 6: going to have to start facing their fear and start

971
00:56:03,640 --> 00:56:07,760
Speaker 6: to get back into reality because we're America. Our founding

972
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 6: fathers didn't worry about offending people. You know, there's second

973
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 6: Member doesn't say the right of the people that keep

974
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 6: the bare arms shall not be infringed unless you offend

975
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:22,040
Speaker 6: people by looking by letting them see your gun. No,

976
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 6: we don't play that game anymore. So we're overturning a

977
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:26,959
Speaker 6: lot of this stuff and it's a really great time.

978
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,080
Speaker 1: You and I have talked many times about how awful

979
00:56:30,200 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: red flag laws are in Memphis, Tennessee. That law is

980
00:56:34,800 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: now dead.

981
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:40,399
Speaker 6: Red flag laws have to be the absolute worst thing,

982
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 6: because what it really is it's a gun confiscation out

983
00:56:44,760 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 6: of your home without due process. And every state, not

984
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 6: every state has them, but a lot of states happen.

985
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 6: I think about twenty nine states, twenty twenty four states

986
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:58,680
Speaker 6: something like that, and we have red flag laws, and

987
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:00,959
Speaker 6: many of them.

988
00:57:01,000 --> 00:57:01,480
Speaker 4: You can be.

989
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:05,920
Speaker 6: Accused by someone who's not even a relative or anything.

990
00:57:06,040 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 6: Anybody can pretty much accuse you in some states of

991
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:13,400
Speaker 6: being a risk to society, and they can go anonymous.

992
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 6: In other words, they don't have to answer to anything

993
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 6: if they make a false accusation about you. Yet a

994
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:23,960
Speaker 6: judge can take that accusation, sign off on it, and

995
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 6: send the cops to your house to take your guns.

996
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:31,520
Speaker 6: Red flag laws are dangerous, and the Democrats like to

997
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 6: use red flag laws along with registries and background checks

998
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:38,840
Speaker 6: because they want these universal background checks so they can

999
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 6: have a registry, so they know where the guns are.

1000
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 6: And then the Blue states also want the red flag

1001
00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 6: laws so they can have the vehicle to come confiscate. So,

1002
00:57:49,400 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 6: because you can't confiscate, lets you know where the guns are.

1003
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 6: That's why the two, the registries and the red flag

1004
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:59,080
Speaker 6: laws work together. So it's a great success to get

1005
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 6: any red flag law overturned because that might set a

1006
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 6: precedent moving forward for other counties, other towns, other states.

1007
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: Well, that's exactly what the British wanted to know when

1008
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: they tried to put down the rebellion among the colonists.

1009
00:58:13,720 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: They want to know where the guns were. Yeah, the

1010
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: gun owners of American force from Missouri County Jackson County

1011
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 1: to reverse its gun ban in twenty twenty five.

1012
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 3: Dan, tell me about that.

1013
00:58:26,520 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, this was Jackson County, Missouri. It was a ban

1014
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 6: on basically anyone eighteen to twenty years old who wanted

1015
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,760
Speaker 6: to buy, you know, purchase a handgun. In other words,

1016
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 6: they were saying, you have to be twenty one years

1017
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 6: old to purchase a handgun. And that's not okay. You know,

1018
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 6: our founding fathers never said there's a certain age limit.

1019
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 6: And besides that, if you can go to war, if

1020
00:58:52,520 --> 00:58:54,760
Speaker 6: you can be tried as an adult, if you know,

1021
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 6: if you can do so many, you can.

1022
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 3: Vote, You can vote as an eighteen year.

1023
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 6: Old, you can vote exactly and you know, Uh, but

1024
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 6: yet they want to restrict the right of young adults

1025
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:15,080
Speaker 6: to uh exactly defend themselves carried on exercise their their

1026
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:18,920
Speaker 6: second Amendment right. So so this was another great president

1027
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 6: uh and and Gun Owners of America and it's sister company,

1028
00:59:23,880 --> 00:59:28,080
Speaker 6: Gun Owners Foundation, which I'm very involved with. What a

1029
00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 6: bunch of great people, unbelievable organization. This is the no

1030
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 6: compromise UH gun national gun rights group. You want to

1031
00:59:36,560 --> 00:59:39,440
Speaker 6: be part of this organization. I urge everybody go to

1032
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:43,000
Speaker 6: gun Owners dot org to become a member. It's really

1033
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:48,000
Speaker 6: affordable and and the money helps fight these lawsuits. So

1034
00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:50,360
Speaker 6: I've been I've been a spokesman for g o A

1035
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,200
Speaker 6: for a while. I do a video series for g

1036
00:59:53,360 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 6: o F on YouTube called bullet Points with Dan wasp

1037
00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 6: people and check that out. But I a everybody check

1038
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:03,320
Speaker 6: out Gun Owners of America. Go to Gunowners dot org

1039
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 6: and give them a look. They're really doing great things.

1040
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: Danny Wawz, thank you so much. We'll hopefully talk again soon.

1041
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,640
Speaker 6: All right, Thanks so much, Pal, I appreciate it.

1042
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: Happy New Year means having your gun and being able

1043
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:25,880
Speaker 1: to defend yourself according to the Constitution and the Bill

1044
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,120
Speaker 1: of Rights. It's the nightcap and it continues in moments

1045
01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:36,720
Speaker 1: on seven hundred WLW in to the last little bit

1046
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:40,560
Speaker 1: of this nightcap on seven hundred WLW. I hope they'll

1047
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:42,600
Speaker 1: give me a three hour show again instead of a

1048
01:00:42,640 --> 01:00:44,840
Speaker 1: two and a half hour show, because I'd love to

1049
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 1: do a three hour show with this guy, not just

1050
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: twenty minutes or whatever. But you know, I'll take what

1051
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:53,919
Speaker 1: I can get. I'm going to be grateful. I am

1052
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 1: so happy to have him back. It's our old friend,

1053
01:00:57,920 --> 01:00:59,480
Speaker 1: the fur Ball Andy Furman.

1054
01:00:59,560 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 8: Hello, Well, I hope you had a great New Years

1055
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 8: and it's always a pleasure to talking to you. But

1056
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:05,600
Speaker 8: you know what, there'll be such a pig. I heard

1057
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,400
Speaker 8: you on with Sterling last night, so it's okay. You

1058
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 8: had your time last night with him, and you intimidated him.

1059
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,160
Speaker 8: I mean, you really did get back him into a corner.

1060
01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 8: I felt bare for the kid, I really did. I mean,

1061
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 8: so just back off a little bit, all right, I'm

1062
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 8: gonna make up for what you did to Sterling. Right now.

1063
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:23,480
Speaker 8: Because here's the deal. I'll wake up to Spain. This

1064
01:01:23,520 --> 01:01:26,200
Speaker 8: is kind of a secret, but it wasn't a good secret. Okay,

1065
01:01:26,440 --> 01:01:29,560
Speaker 8: we all knew that Brendan Soresby, the quarterback at the

1066
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 8: University of Cincinnati, would not return. His name was in

1067
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 8: the portal, but it's official today. Was to pick up

1068
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:36,320
Speaker 8: the inquiry this morning, one of the few who pick

1069
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,000
Speaker 8: up to pick up the paper. That's a paper, not online,

1070
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 8: because I enjoyed the paper and I see he's signed

1071
01:01:41,360 --> 01:01:43,600
Speaker 8: for five million dollars to go to Texas Tech to

1072
01:01:43,600 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 8: play football. God bless him. I'm happy for the kid.

1073
01:01:45,880 --> 01:01:48,080
Speaker 8: But here's the deal. This is what I don't understand.

1074
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:48,680
Speaker 6: Number One A.

1075
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 8: This portal should be open after the playoffs, after ball games,

1076
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:53,160
Speaker 8: after the playoffs.

1077
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 4: Number one.

1078
01:01:53,600 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 8: Number two, that's the thing that I can't control. But

1079
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 8: here's the thing that really irks me. You're a guy

1080
01:01:59,640 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 8: that played with teams. They say football is a team sport.

1081
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:05,120
Speaker 8: More often than not, the quarterback, at least on the

1082
01:02:05,120 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 8: pro level, like a Joe Burrow. He'll buy his offensive

1083
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 8: lineman swords or gifts are crazy items, dinosaur relics, you know,

1084
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:15,960
Speaker 8: for for Christmas because they protect him it's all for one,

1085
01:02:16,040 --> 01:02:19,400
Speaker 8: one for all. So this guy, Brendan Sorosby busts his butt,

1086
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 8: goes to practice every day, plays with the guys. Okay,

1087
01:02:22,200 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 8: then when the big game comes against Navy and the

1088
01:02:24,120 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 8: Liberty Bowl, he bolts, how do you look at these

1089
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,880
Speaker 8: guys in their face? To me, I just don't understand.

1090
01:02:28,920 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 8: I think it's the most despicable thing you could ever do.

1091
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 8: It's a thing that you go out for, you play,

1092
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 8: you play one for all for one. He knew he

1093
01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:38,160
Speaker 8: was going to Texas Tech. You know what, tell a

1094
01:02:38,240 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 8: Texas Tech staff, just let me play with my guys.

1095
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 8: These are my guys. I practice with them every day.

1096
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:44,880
Speaker 8: I wanted to play with them. I led them here

1097
01:02:44,920 --> 01:02:47,240
Speaker 8: to the Liberty Bowl against Navy. Let me finish this.

1098
01:02:47,400 --> 01:02:49,440
Speaker 8: I don't get it. I just don't you know what.

1099
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 8: Let me continue. I know I'm rambling on here. But

1100
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 8: here's another thing where you know they say it's a

1101
01:02:53,520 --> 01:02:56,760
Speaker 8: team sport. I say team sport bajambag. You know, the

1102
01:02:56,760 --> 01:02:59,000
Speaker 8: New York Football Giants and the Pros. They were to

1103
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 8: tie end but Johnson last Friday night, it was the

1104
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,800
Speaker 8: New York nick game. Okay, didn't practice all week long,

1105
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:07,120
Speaker 8: with the New York Football Giants and said he was

1106
01:03:07,160 --> 01:03:09,520
Speaker 8: not going to play Sunday against Dallas, all right, in

1107
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 8: the season finale. But he's out there, you're not a

1108
01:03:11,960 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 8: good look, you know, sitting behind the bench at the

1109
01:03:14,040 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 8: Nick game and Madison Square Garden. Okay, they say he

1110
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 8: wasn't the full wasn't covid ID, but he was okay

1111
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,640
Speaker 8: to go to a public event and he can't play football.

1112
01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,400
Speaker 8: I mean, come on, really, I mean, the guy's taking it,

1113
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 8: don't don't people see this that no one mentioned, No

1114
01:03:26,920 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 8: one talks about this stuff.

1115
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 4: I don't get it.

1116
01:03:29,160 --> 01:03:32,560
Speaker 1: Tell me, well, Number one, I don't think that Brandon

1117
01:03:32,640 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: Soresby really felt like those guys on the UC offensive

1118
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,680
Speaker 1: line protected him that well over the last five games.

1119
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:40,720
Speaker 3: Maybe he just didn't.

1120
01:03:40,720 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 8: Don't know why he left.

1121
01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, the midshipman in a in a

1122
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:49,360
Speaker 1: meaningless bowl game, and it was a meaningless bowl game. Secondly,

1123
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 1: I know.

1124
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,680
Speaker 8: Time time that I'm gonna I'm gonna break apart everything

1125
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 8: you say. First of all, they protected him enough to

1126
01:03:55,200 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 8: be one of the he's one of the all time

1127
01:03:56,600 --> 01:03:59,640
Speaker 8: great quarterbacks that you see. That's number one. Number two,

1128
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:02,720
Speaker 8: it's not meaningless for the guys that suit up, maybe

1129
01:04:02,800 --> 01:04:05,120
Speaker 8: meaningless to you, maybe meaningless to think, you know, who

1130
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 8: is meeting it's for it's meaning for the players that

1131
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 8: involved in the game, the friends that parents, relatives, and

1132
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,320
Speaker 8: it's also a meaning for gamblers because they gamble on

1133
01:04:13,360 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 8: these games. So don't tell me it's.

1134
01:04:15,040 --> 01:04:19,240
Speaker 1: Meaningful, okay, number one. Number one is the gambling thing.

1135
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 1: That's the only people it's really meaningful for. And yeah,

1136
01:04:23,480 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 1: maybe there's a player who will never ever play in

1137
01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: the NFL or never suit up again.

1138
01:04:27,880 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 8: For you, it's meaningful for that game you ever played.

1139
01:04:30,760 --> 01:04:33,680
Speaker 1: Overall, for the university, I mean, there's a little bit

1140
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:37,720
Speaker 1: of a payday, but overall it's pretty meaningless to the fans.

1141
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:41,280
Speaker 8: Andy, I don't think so. I think it's a pretty

1142
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:43,560
Speaker 8: good contingent of you see people along as whatever it

1143
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,240
Speaker 8: may be, fans to make a day of it to

1144
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 8: drive down to Nashville to see that game. All right,

1145
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:51,440
Speaker 8: but you know, we agree to disagree. You're that kind

1146
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 8: of guy.

1147
01:04:51,880 --> 01:04:55,280
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to correct you again. They weren't in Nashville.

1148
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 3: It was a liberty bullet Memphis.

1149
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:57,280
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.

1150
01:04:58,120 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 8: And people do say there's the same thing in that state.

1151
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 2: There.

1152
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no. This is where you're absolutely one

1153
01:05:04,240 --> 01:05:07,320
Speaker 1: hundred percent, maybe one thousand percent wrong for a ball.

1154
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: Nashville is not Memphis, and vice versa. I lived in

1155
01:05:11,720 --> 01:05:15,440
Speaker 1: Nashville and in Chattanooga for twenty years. Tennessee is a

1156
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:19,720
Speaker 1: very distinctive three state state. In other words, if you're

1157
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:24,040
Speaker 1: in Memphis, it is absolutely nothing like Middle Tennessee and Nashville.

1158
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 1: And if you're in Nashville, it is absolutely nothing like

1159
01:05:27,360 --> 01:05:30,320
Speaker 1: the Smoky Mountains and the Appalachians in the eastern part

1160
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:30,880
Speaker 1: of the state.

1161
01:05:31,120 --> 01:05:33,240
Speaker 8: Okay, let me just tell you something that Nasville and

1162
01:05:33,240 --> 01:05:35,920
Speaker 8: Memphis do have something uncommon. If you're from them, you

1163
01:05:35,960 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 8: want to be If you're from there, you want to

1164
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 8: be far away from there. That's what they haven't call.

1165
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,080
Speaker 3: Oh no, no, no, no, no, no.

1166
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:43,120
Speaker 8: One of those guys you left, you both did. What

1167
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 8: are you talking about that? I don't love you.

1168
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:47,560
Speaker 1: Back in Nashville if I could afford it. You want

1169
01:05:47,600 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 1: to talk about in affordability? Now, Nashville in the last

1170
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:55,480
Speaker 1: thirty years has just exploded, and I probably couldn't afford

1171
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,439
Speaker 1: a cardboard box on the side of the interstate living

1172
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 1: in Nashville. That's the only reason I'm not there. I

1173
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 1: love my parents, they're still there. I've got two brothers there,

1174
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: I've got lots of friends still in Nashville. I'd love

1175
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:09,920
Speaker 1: to be in Nashville, just simply.

1176
01:06:10,280 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 8: And you know why US states in a minute or two,

1177
01:06:13,920 --> 01:06:17,360
Speaker 8: because every city in America differs from every other city. Cleveland,

1178
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:22,080
Speaker 8: Cincinnati are different, but they know so don't don't give

1179
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,280
Speaker 8: me that it's it's for commerce.

1180
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 3: Now, it's beyond the cities.

1181
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: The state itself is three distinctive geographical and and demographical areas.

1182
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:37,920
Speaker 8: So in most states, what are you talking about? Buffalo?

1183
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 8: That's different than living in New York City and it's

1184
01:06:39,920 --> 01:06:43,160
Speaker 8: the same state. So come on, right, if you're.

1185
01:06:43,080 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: Living in if you're living in if you're living in Buffalo,

1186
01:06:46,120 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: you're a damn lot better off than if you're living

1187
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,240
Speaker 1: in that hell hole you call New York City.

1188
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:51,600
Speaker 3: Andy.

1189
01:06:51,720 --> 01:06:53,520
Speaker 8: You know what, say what you want. I'm just saying

1190
01:06:53,520 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 8: that there are difference is in various cities. Buffalo and

1191
01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 8: New York differ, Okay, And that's just the way it is.

1192
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,640
Speaker 8: There are different cities in every state that different. They

1193
01:07:01,680 --> 01:07:04,960
Speaker 8: have their own I guess charm if you want to

1194
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,280
Speaker 8: say charm, we use that.

1195
01:07:06,280 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 3: Term, but don't confuse.

1196
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:11,120
Speaker 8: Don't confuse back in their teammates. I didn't come here

1197
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:14,680
Speaker 8: to talk about cities, all right, guys that really guys

1198
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:17,160
Speaker 8: that bolt and just safe to hell with you.

1199
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: Another example, another example you gave me, was this guy

1200
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 1: from the New York Giants missing the last game of

1201
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 1: a meaningless season for another meaningless season for the New

1202
01:07:29,000 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: York Football Giants. It's it's unbelievable how much people care

1203
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:39,800
Speaker 1: about these NFL teams that are continually downtrodden, and they'll

1204
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: never be in another Super Bowl, They'll never win a

1205
01:07:42,120 --> 01:07:45,920
Speaker 1: Super they are cursed like the Cleveland Browns, Andy the Giants.

1206
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 8: Funny you mentioned they keep on repeating the same term meaningless.

1207
01:07:49,080 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 8: Tell that to Zach Taylor. This team was out of control,

1208
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:55,360
Speaker 8: This team was out of playoff contention against the Cleveland Browns,

1209
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,400
Speaker 8: and he had I guess you could say the audacity

1210
01:07:58,480 --> 01:08:00,760
Speaker 8: or the hanging downs to say he was upset when

1211
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 8: Miles Garrett broke the record and they stopped play because

1212
01:08:03,880 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 8: he said we were on a roll. I mean to him,

1213
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 8: he was like, really in this bid time with both

1214
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 8: feet Okay, the game was to a sense meaningless, Okay,

1215
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 8: not to him. As I tell you before, and I'll

1216
01:08:15,640 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 8: tell you again, to people involved in the outcome, that's

1217
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,880
Speaker 8: not meaningless to them, the coaches, players, wherever it may be,

1218
01:08:22,160 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 8: it's not meaningless to them, all right. And you saw

1219
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:30,000
Speaker 8: that first hand with Zach Taylor Sunday afternoons, someone of

1220
01:08:30,040 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 8: a full of them, a record broken in a sporting event.

1221
01:08:34,040 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 1: They stopped playing exactly. They do that in every single major.

1222
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:41,920
Speaker 8: Sport, right But you're still moving off the direction on

1223
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,120
Speaker 8: going and we're not in the same lane right now.

1224
01:08:44,280 --> 01:08:47,479
Speaker 8: We started this conversation of players who work as a

1225
01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:50,480
Speaker 8: team as a unit and turn their back on their teammates,

1226
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:52,360
Speaker 8: all right, and it's selfishness.

1227
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 7: I don't like it.

1228
01:08:53,360 --> 01:08:55,200
Speaker 8: I think it's wrong, all right, and it's got to

1229
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:57,439
Speaker 8: be changed the college over. They can change it by

1230
01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 8: changing the date of the portal you put your name

1231
01:08:59,880 --> 01:09:01,320
Speaker 8: with portal after the ball games.

1232
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,760
Speaker 1: Why why are you blaming Brandon Soresby when he was

1233
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:08,080
Speaker 1: going somewhere else and he didn't have a choice. Texas

1234
01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:10,360
Speaker 1: Tech said, if you're coming with us, you want the

1235
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 1: five mil.

1236
01:09:11,080 --> 01:09:14,400
Speaker 3: You gotta you gotta come now, right.

1237
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:16,679
Speaker 8: So I'm not blaming him. I'm just saying that it's

1238
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 8: a bad look, that's all I'm saying. And what the

1239
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,040
Speaker 8: look has to do to change is move the date

1240
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:26,479
Speaker 8: of the portal after the playoffs and the bowl game

1241
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,760
Speaker 8: so it doesn't look bad. It looks bad. You have

1242
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:30,639
Speaker 8: to admit that it looks bad. You know, you're busting

1243
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,680
Speaker 8: your butt all year long. You're saying, go Bearcas, let's

1244
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 8: go this, let's do that. And next year, by the

1245
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:38,240
Speaker 8: way Texas Tech plays you see here in Cincinnati. I

1246
01:09:38,280 --> 01:09:40,280
Speaker 8: don't think he's gonna be I don't think the reaction

1247
01:09:40,360 --> 01:09:40,599
Speaker 8: is good.

1248
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 1: That'll be tasty, that'll be good. We love that drama.

1249
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:48,320
Speaker 1: We love that kind of animosity built up. We love

1250
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:51,679
Speaker 1: the rivalry. We we love the hate, Andy, we love

1251
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:52,400
Speaker 1: the hate.

1252
01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 8: Well, that's what sports is. It's it's a it's a

1253
01:09:54,880 --> 01:09:58,639
Speaker 8: method to, I guess, professionally get hate out of your system, right,

1254
01:09:58,640 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 8: isn't it? I mean, it's not what sports is.

1255
01:10:00,080 --> 01:10:04,280
Speaker 1: You know what wild Man calls wild man? Wild Man

1256
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 1: calls it to do Well, that's what he.

1257
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 6: Asked for breakfast.

1258
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:09,559
Speaker 8: Okay, I don't want to talk about that, but you

1259
01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:12,520
Speaker 8: know that's what week that we call sports is as

1260
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 8: supposed to be relaxation. You know, competition whatever it may be. No,

1261
01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:20,120
Speaker 8: it's not. It's a venue for hate. It really is.

1262
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 8: When you think about it. You go to a game,

1263
01:10:22,040 --> 01:10:26,400
Speaker 8: go to a Steelers Bengals game. Fights fights, right, I've

1264
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,720
Speaker 8: seen it. You know it's it's not good. It's not

1265
01:10:28,760 --> 01:10:31,000
Speaker 8: a good look. It really isn't. But that's what sports

1266
01:10:31,040 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 8: has done more probably more so in football and professional

1267
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 8: football than in any other sport. Although I do remember this,

1268
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:40,760
Speaker 8: when Brigham Young came here to play the University of

1269
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 8: Cincinnati in football, they were chanting the F bomb for

1270
01:10:44,920 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 8: the Mormons, and then the athletic director and president of

1271
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 8: UC how to make an apology to Brigham Young university.

1272
01:10:50,479 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 8: Is it alcohol? Perhaps? Is it just stupidity? Stupidity perhaps?

1273
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 8: I don't know, uh that. You know, fans probably need

1274
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 8: to be lectured. Maybe before were you buy season tickets,

1275
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 8: So maybe before any ticket you should have to take

1276
01:11:03,360 --> 01:11:05,679
Speaker 8: a pledge. You know, how you'd be had to behave

1277
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,760
Speaker 8: in the stands at a game. I don't know. I

1278
01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,560
Speaker 8: don't know how it could change, but I'll tell you what.

1279
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 8: Some games you go to not safe. You would not

1280
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,320
Speaker 8: wear a fingles jersey in Cleveland.

1281
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 6: I just would do that.

1282
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 1: I got to tell you, I played church league basketball

1283
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 1: back when I was in like my high school years,

1284
01:11:21,720 --> 01:11:23,400
Speaker 1: because I wasn't good enough to play in a high

1285
01:11:23,400 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 1: school team, or I just didn't want to put forth

1286
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 1: the effort, but played church league basketball. We've played for

1287
01:11:28,040 --> 01:11:31,759
Speaker 1: the United Methodist Church in Hendersonville, Tennessee, and we played

1288
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:35,080
Speaker 1: the Mormons. There was a Mormon church. They were some

1289
01:11:35,160 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 1: of the dirtiest players we ever played. The Baptists weren't

1290
01:11:39,520 --> 01:11:43,439
Speaker 1: as bad, the Catholics weren't as bad. The Mormons were awful.

1291
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 1: And believe me, the Mormons dropped F bombs. Andy, I

1292
01:11:47,120 --> 01:11:48,800
Speaker 1: heard it. I experienced this.

1293
01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:50,640
Speaker 8: What are you saying? I mean, I'm saying there was

1294
01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,680
Speaker 8: a group of people, you're the host school, and the

1295
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:57,200
Speaker 8: fans in that stadium were kind of harassing and making

1296
01:11:57,320 --> 01:12:00,519
Speaker 8: fun of the Mormons, which I think, are you signed

1297
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Speaker 8: to say that that it's permissible? Where are you going with?

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01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 1: No, I'm just saying you're you're saying you made the

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01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:10,160
Speaker 1: point that it was against the Mormons when you go

1300
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:12,880
Speaker 1: out to If you go out to BYU and you play,

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01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:15,559
Speaker 1: I bet there's gonna be some Mormons who were dropping

1302
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 1: the F bomb on the opposing team.

1303
01:12:17,560 --> 01:12:18,400
Speaker 3: I'll bet you.

1304
01:12:19,520 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 8: And I'm not saying it's right, and I'm sure you're Beau.

1305
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:23,400
Speaker 3: I don't think it's right.

1306
01:12:23,479 --> 01:12:26,639
Speaker 8: I've worked at all Roberts University, yes, and we played

1307
01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 8: the Mormons. We played Brigham Young at Brigham Young, right,

1308
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,240
Speaker 8: and I know when our guys came out there, we

1309
01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:34,280
Speaker 8: had thirteen guys in the team. I think they were like,

1310
01:12:34,280 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 8: you know, eleven African Americans and we played Brigham Young

1311
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:39,360
Speaker 8: and Danny Ainge was on that team at the time,

1312
01:12:39,720 --> 01:12:41,720
Speaker 8: and I don't think there was one African American on

1313
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 8: that Brigham Young team. And our guys, I tell you, honestly,

1314
01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,200
Speaker 8: they were looking at the layup line. They were laughing.

1315
01:12:46,680 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 8: You know, well we lost by thirty five. All right,

1316
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:50,720
Speaker 8: I'm just saying this is the way they said. That's

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01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,559
Speaker 8: that's human nature, and it's not right. Okay, it's not right.

1318
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:57,640
Speaker 1: I'm not justifying. I'm not saying it's right. But you

1319
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,759
Speaker 1: just made a point against the Mormons as they dropped

1320
01:13:00,760 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 1: the F bomb it you see, So so what if

1321
01:13:03,760 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: they're going.

1322
01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 8: Don't win in it?

1323
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:06,040
Speaker 5: So what?

1324
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:11,160
Speaker 8: No, that's that's permissible. Watts.

1325
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:15,719
Speaker 1: It didn't matter who you see. Fans drop the F bomb.

1326
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: Against Whether it's Mormons or if it was a bunch

1327
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 1: of heathens, it's still wrong.

1328
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 3: That's my point. Thank you. That's okay.

1329
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,559
Speaker 8: President let it that had an issue an apology to

1330
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 8: the President. I let it there there a b yu.

1331
01:13:29,040 --> 01:13:31,680
Speaker 8: I thought it was disgusting. I mean, really, show show

1332
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:36,200
Speaker 8: some class. Really could just show a little show some intelligence.

1333
01:13:36,520 --> 01:13:41,560
Speaker 1: I have a conspiracy theory. In Super Bowl x L

1334
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: back in two thousand and.

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01:13:43,160 --> 01:13:44,559
Speaker 8: Six, what does that stand for?

1336
01:13:44,720 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 6: XL?

1337
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,160
Speaker 3: It stands for.

1338
01:13:47,160 --> 01:13:50,080
Speaker 8: Forty forty L fifteen on the left side, it's a

1339
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:52,240
Speaker 8: minus ten, so it's forty.

1340
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:53,799
Speaker 3: Right now, this is Super Bowl sixty.

1341
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 1: It would have been the lx the L.

1342
01:13:56,720 --> 01:14:00,839
Speaker 3: Twenty yeah, twenty years ago. Yeah, so XL forty.

1343
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:05,160
Speaker 1: So anyway, in Super Bowl x L, the Pittsburgh Steelers,

1344
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 1: who at the beginning of the playoffs nobody thought was

1345
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:09,920
Speaker 1: going to be in the super Bowl. They were the

1346
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 1: sixth seed. They were like the last guy in in

1347
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:17,200
Speaker 1: the AFC and it was Jerome Bettis last year, and

1348
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:21,280
Speaker 1: lo and behold, the Pittsburgh Steelers came from out of

1349
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 1: nowhere in the playoffs and wound up winning it all.

1350
01:14:25,680 --> 01:14:26,000
Speaker 3: Well.

1351
01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:32,799
Speaker 1: In twenty twenty six, Super Bowl L x sixty. Aaron

1352
01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:37,799
Speaker 1: Rodgers is quite possibly playing his last football game. Quite

1353
01:14:37,880 --> 01:14:44,719
Speaker 1: possibly the Steelers with deep DK Metcalf coming back, wouldn't

1354
01:14:44,840 --> 01:14:46,120
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me.

1355
01:14:46,200 --> 01:14:50,280
Speaker 3: I don't think they're gonna win Aday night, but I think.

1356
01:14:50,240 --> 01:14:53,759
Speaker 1: I think maybe the fix is in to send Aaron

1357
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 1: Rodgers off with a Super Bowl trophy.

1358
01:14:57,800 --> 01:15:00,400
Speaker 3: Like they did with Jerome Bettis. Yeah.

1359
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:02,400
Speaker 8: I'm not a Pollyanna kind of guy. I believe that

1360
01:15:02,439 --> 01:15:04,640
Speaker 8: everything is pure and clean and good, and you know,

1361
01:15:04,680 --> 01:15:06,439
Speaker 8: you sort of know you're sort of right in the

1362
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:10,160
Speaker 8: sense that there are some calls that are questionable in football.

1363
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:12,840
Speaker 8: I mean the other day when Notre Dame was playing

1364
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 8: basketball and then the Notre Dame coach went after the referee.

1365
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 8: That was a hideous call. Hideous call. It wasn't even

1366
01:15:19,760 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 8: a shooting foul and he called it, and the coach

1367
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:26,080
Speaker 8: and not to day will apologize since I think if

1368
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:27,439
Speaker 8: they didn't hold them back and it's going to beat

1369
01:15:27,439 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 8: the living daylights out of them.

1370
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:29,040
Speaker 4: It was a bad call.

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01:15:29,160 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: Well, we were talking about you're talking about basketball in college basketball.

1372
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:36,559
Speaker 1: We were talking about the NFL, and they're not fully

1373
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: legitimate calls which happened on a regular in that league.

1374
01:15:40,280 --> 01:15:44,200
Speaker 1: It's all dictated by some cabal who's kind of moving.

1375
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:47,400
Speaker 8: I think there's no consistency because if they really wanted to,

1376
01:15:47,439 --> 01:15:49,360
Speaker 8: they could probably call holding on every play.

1377
01:15:49,400 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 3: Absolutely they could.

1378
01:15:50,800 --> 01:15:52,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, that would.

1379
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 3: Be much of the game.

1380
01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,360
Speaker 8: Right. Look, I will tell you this much. I think this.

1381
01:15:56,840 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 8: The human nature element is always involved, and I think

1382
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 8: there are officials right now who are fearful of blowing

1383
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,240
Speaker 8: the whistle and at a very close play at the

1384
01:16:06,280 --> 01:16:09,040
Speaker 8: end of the game for fear of them being the

1385
01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,760
Speaker 8: story rather than the game being the story. I really

1386
01:16:11,800 --> 01:16:14,839
Speaker 8: believe that. And then again, if they don't blow the whistle,

1387
01:16:15,080 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 8: in fact, they still will be the story. I think

1388
01:16:17,200 --> 01:16:19,640
Speaker 8: there's a lot of pressure artificials. What to do. Do

1389
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:20,719
Speaker 8: you swallow the whistle?

1390
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:22,200
Speaker 7: Do you make the call.

1391
01:16:22,040 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 8: At the end of the game, because you really do

1392
01:16:24,439 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 8: not want to be the game story, but a lot

1393
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,080
Speaker 8: of times they are if they blow it or they

1394
01:16:29,120 --> 01:16:29,759
Speaker 8: don't blow.

1395
01:16:29,600 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 3: It right there, I don't know.

1396
01:16:31,880 --> 01:16:34,320
Speaker 1: I've watched I've watched a lot of umpires, a lot

1397
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:37,560
Speaker 1: of referees, and they want their moment in the spotlight.

1398
01:16:37,680 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 1: They want to they want to be they want to

1399
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 1: be the story. A lot of them, Yeah, they do.

1400
01:16:41,960 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 8: Some do, but I will tell you this. If I'm

1401
01:16:43,400 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 8: an official, I want to officiate a game like Indiana

1402
01:16:46,280 --> 01:16:49,719
Speaker 8: did against Alabama thirty eight to three. No problems, really,

1403
01:16:49,920 --> 01:16:50,320
Speaker 8: no problem.

1404
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 3: Money is what you want, right all?

1405
01:16:57,120 --> 01:16:58,479
Speaker 8: They don't throw any flags down.

1406
01:17:01,439 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: So you're talking about the transfer portal earlier and the

1407
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:10,240
Speaker 1: coaching carousel that continues to run, which did for years before.

1408
01:17:10,280 --> 01:17:14,479
Speaker 1: The transfer portal for players and the end the money,

1409
01:17:14,520 --> 01:17:18,519
Speaker 1: the nil what ought to happened? And I've said this

1410
01:17:18,760 --> 01:17:21,600
Speaker 1: and you alluded to it earlier. There should be no

1411
01:17:22,640 --> 01:17:26,880
Speaker 1: There should be no movement of coaches or players until

1412
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:30,759
Speaker 1: the entire season is finished, period, end of story.

1413
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 8: If you want to Lane Tifflin who left all he's

1414
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:37,160
Speaker 8: still getting paid for all missile victories in the playoffs

1415
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:39,599
Speaker 8: and now he's the coach at LSU, it doesn't make

1416
01:17:39,640 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 8: any sense. What an agent he must have. Huh think

1417
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 8: about that. But here's another thing. If you want to

1418
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 8: change the portal situation, I honestly believe that the portal okay,

1419
01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 8: let the kids transfer. I don't know how you get

1420
01:17:51,080 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 8: that done, because I don't know how certain kids get

1421
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:55,639
Speaker 8: into you. A favorite school, Vanderbilt that can't even read

1422
01:17:55,680 --> 01:17:57,719
Speaker 8: and write anymore. But I guess if they can play football.

1423
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:00,360
Speaker 8: If they can, but the rules should honestly be A

1424
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:03,160
Speaker 8: as you say after the playoff football games, and B

1425
01:18:03,680 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 8: you could only transfer one time, one time. Because that

1426
01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,800
Speaker 8: quarterback at Vanderbilt has gone to three different schools, I

1427
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 8: think this is the third college.

1428
01:18:12,200 --> 01:18:14,080
Speaker 7: Is Andy Well he went.

1429
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:16,960
Speaker 8: He went to about four year school prior to Vanderbilt, two.

1430
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 1: I know, But but you said four different schools or three.

1431
01:18:20,360 --> 01:18:22,160
Speaker 1: He went to a junior college.

1432
01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:24,200
Speaker 8: First, and he went to New Mexico and another one

1433
01:18:24,240 --> 01:18:27,280
Speaker 8: I believe, But Brandon Sorosby, I think this is his third.

1434
01:18:27,880 --> 01:18:31,080
Speaker 8: That's ridiculous. I mean, really, one time, one time, one

1435
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 8: time only. And let me tell you also about the portal,

1436
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:35,000
Speaker 8: which I don't think a lot of people think about

1437
01:18:35,120 --> 01:18:36,960
Speaker 8: because they think it's a good thing. If I'm a coach,

1438
01:18:37,720 --> 01:18:41,080
Speaker 8: I have my brothers on taking a kid in the portal.

1439
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 8: I'll tell you why. Obviously they're doing it for one

1440
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:47,040
Speaker 8: on one reason only for money, I guess. But a

1441
01:18:47,160 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 8: kid who goes into portal probably is a malcontent because

1442
01:18:50,920 --> 01:18:54,000
Speaker 8: he's probably not playing. He's probably not happy, and honestly,

1443
01:18:54,240 --> 01:18:56,000
Speaker 8: I don't want them on my team. If he's not playing,

1444
01:18:56,479 --> 01:18:59,679
Speaker 8: so I gotta watch it very carefully if I'm looking

1445
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:02,160
Speaker 8: in the the players, don't you agree. I don't think

1446
01:19:02,240 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 8: that that has become of age. I don't think people

1447
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 8: talk about that much. It's all the portal that's great

1448
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:09,040
Speaker 8: that you see's got a chance to get people out

1449
01:19:09,040 --> 01:19:09,479
Speaker 8: of the portal.

1450
01:19:10,479 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 3: It's the same reason.

1451
01:19:11,920 --> 01:19:14,160
Speaker 8: With the portal. You know why why did Brendan's source

1452
01:19:14,200 --> 01:19:16,200
Speaker 8: he put his name in the portal? A because he's

1453
01:19:16,240 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 8: getting more money, but B he didn't play for a

1454
01:19:18,160 --> 01:19:21,400
Speaker 8: better team and he probably wasn't happy down the stretch

1455
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:23,160
Speaker 8: when they lost their last five six games.

1456
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,040
Speaker 1: And you see, well, do you think he was a

1457
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 1: part of why they lost those last five six games?

1458
01:19:29,280 --> 01:19:31,439
Speaker 8: And it wasn't him? No, it wasn't him.

1459
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 3: No, of course not.

1460
01:19:33,479 --> 01:19:37,840
Speaker 8: It wasn't everybody. I don't hold that. You know me,

1461
01:19:38,080 --> 01:19:41,000
Speaker 8: I have no filter. I would tell you, but honestly,

1462
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:44,120
Speaker 8: I just think that if you're in the portal, there's

1463
01:19:44,160 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 8: a damn good reason why your name is in there.

1464
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:49,320
Speaker 8: More often than not, you probably didn't play, you weren't happy,

1465
01:19:49,439 --> 01:19:51,960
Speaker 8: you didn't like the coach, And I'm gonna take a

1466
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 8: second look at you, and I'm afraid maybe you may

1467
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:56,479
Speaker 8: pull the same maneuver on my team.

1468
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 1: Just same thing, the same thing they said about the

1469
01:19:58,720 --> 01:20:02,280
Speaker 1: Bengals for years. They need character guys, not not only

1470
01:20:02,360 --> 01:20:04,400
Speaker 1: guys that can play, but guys that aren't going to

1471
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:05,759
Speaker 1: be a problem off the field.

1472
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:09,800
Speaker 8: Well, now I have character guys that can't play. Well,

1473
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 8: they're not getting arrested, but they can't play. So I

1474
01:20:12,520 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 8: don't know. You've got to get a happy medium. I'd

1475
01:20:14,640 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 8: rather have guys that go to jail, but they could

1476
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:17,439
Speaker 8: win me too.

1477
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:21,160
Speaker 3: I'm with you. There you go the longest yard.

1478
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,360
Speaker 8: Baby, there you go, fur Ball.

1479
01:20:23,680 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 1: Thank you so much again for everything you did last

1480
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,880
Speaker 1: year and everything you did tonight. And now I've got

1481
01:20:30,880 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 1: to say so long, Alfederzan.

1482
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,560
Speaker 4: Goodbye, see you bye.

1483
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:43,400
Speaker 3: Aloha, goodbye, goodbye. He's gone back to wrap up.