1 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: Kevin Seifert in Studio E s p N and E 2 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: s p N dot Com Super Bowl sixty. 3 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 2: I'm assuming we'll. 4 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: Be on the fan on Sunday. The Seattle Seahawks favored 5 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 1: last I saw four and a half three and a half, 6 00:00:39,960 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: depending on which odds maker you're talking. 7 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 2: To, two over the New England Patriots. 8 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: One quarterback we coveted for New England and one quarterback 9 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,600 Speaker 1: we had, and then we ultimately chose to go different direction. 10 00:00:53,960 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: Let's get back to the Daniel Jones part of this equation. 11 00:00:56,800 --> 00:01:00,680 Speaker 1: I want to run the theory by you that I'm 12 00:01:00,720 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: having a hard time going after Quazy too hard on 13 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: swinging and missing there. 14 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 2: Because. 15 00:01:11,080 --> 00:01:15,480 Speaker 1: I'm not sure there's anything that any general manager could 16 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: have done to get to a better ending given what 17 00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: certainly appeared to be momentum that told Jones and his 18 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,160 Speaker 1: people you might end up having a shot at this job, 19 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 1: but you definitely have a shot from the beginning at 20 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: the starting job in Indy because they're two years into 21 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,120 Speaker 1: the air, young guy, they're already ready to turn the page. 22 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: So that's where I don't know that Koc or anybody 23 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: else can necessarily blame Jones. What else They never were 24 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: willing as far as I know you can speak to 25 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: this to say to Jones, or did they ever say 26 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 1: to Jones, you come back with us. The incumbent's gone. 27 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: It's a wide open job. Play it out in training camp. 28 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: They didn't give the impression that that was the direction 29 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: they were going to go, did they No? 30 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:10,080 Speaker 3: And I think, you know, I think there was probably 31 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 3: a hope and an expectation that that discussion could be 32 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 3: finessed in a way that you're certainly not misleading him, 33 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 3: but you're also not telling him more than might be 34 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 3: the case. Because if and we've talked about this, if 35 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 3: Daniel Jones had signed here like I think he would 36 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 3: have been the start, Like it's hard to imagine if 37 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,240 Speaker 3: everything else had played out the exact same way. If 38 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 3: JJ's having the kind of camp piece having, and Daniel 39 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:39,760 Speaker 3: Jones had the kind of camp that he had an Indian, Yeah, 40 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 3: that there would have been much of a mystery about 41 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 3: who was more like, who was ready to be the 42 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:50,959 Speaker 3: starter and best helped the team last season than than him. 43 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 3: And so that there's a lot of there's a lot 44 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 3: of different ways to peel the apple there. And I 45 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,520 Speaker 3: don't I don't know every detail about the discussions that 46 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 3: happened with Daniel Jones, but I did, since it's not 47 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:13,360 Speaker 3: from any one person, but that there was some blame 48 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 3: cast on Quacy for not executing the attempt at an 49 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:19,960 Speaker 3: optimal level. 50 00:03:21,600 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: The sequencing was by then once they find out Jones 51 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:29,919 Speaker 1: is not staying, they can't go backwards on Darnold, is 52 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: what I thought you said? 53 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 2: Correct? 54 00:03:31,240 --> 00:03:33,679 Speaker 1: They certainly couldn't Francis franchise them, That's what I mean. Yeah, 55 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 1: the n that was the only compromise that was possible. Yeah, 56 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: so a roj comes in after Jones moves on. Okay, 57 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 1: so what do we know about the internal debates there? 58 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:52,280 Speaker 1: And again, do you have to be careful in your position? 59 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 1: You've been doing this for a while now, where people 60 00:03:56,760 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: feel a little emboldened once one guy's fired to maybe 61 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,720 Speaker 1: you know, speak almost out of turn in a way 62 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: that they otherwise wouldn't to cover their own rear end 63 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: or to make them look better than the person who's 64 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: already gone. Does any of that enter into what you 65 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: have heard or what you believe about the Jones part. 66 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: Of this between the two of them. 67 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 3: No, everything I know Rogers, Rob Yeah, everything I know 68 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 3: about either one of them really is pre Quacy being fired? 69 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:29,880 Speaker 3: And I know that it's there's this sense around you know, 70 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 3: whoever's you know, reading the coverage, maybe just the fans 71 00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 3: and audience. I don't know that the Vikings fired Quacy 72 00:04:36,160 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden turned the spigot on 73 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:41,559 Speaker 3: the the source spigot came on and everybody started getting 74 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 3: all this information that they didn't otherwise know, so they 75 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 3: could make sure to put all the blame on Quacy 76 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:51,160 Speaker 3: and trash him on his way out and make everybody. 77 00:04:50,760 --> 00:04:52,599 Speaker 2: Else look good. And that's just not the case. 78 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 3: Like and then I understand that people will then turn 79 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 3: around and say, well, if you knew all this before 80 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 3: he got fired, why didn't you report all this? Well, 81 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:01,760 Speaker 3: I did a lot of the quarterback stuff that we're 82 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 3: talking about now in the story towards the end of 83 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 3: the year, and there's some other things that have come 84 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 3: out that were learned pre firing that frankly, you didn't 85 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 3: know what they meant. In every case, you didn't you 86 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,159 Speaker 3: hear that something happened in and of itself, Well, what's 87 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 3: the context and what's it going to lead to? Oh, 88 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 3: he got fired, So I guess that what I heard 89 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:25,680 Speaker 3: is more important. So like, that's how that kind of 90 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 3: information comes out now, even though it's not being it's 91 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 3: not flowing suddenly out now, if that makes sense. And 92 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: so in the case of Aaron Rodgers, they decided, and 93 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 3: I think this was largely on the on the quasi side. 94 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 3: I don't think it was only him, but a couple 95 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 3: of things that I think, you know, are potentially defensible. 96 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:54,280 Speaker 3: One is that his play had sort of deteriorated to 97 00:05:54,320 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 3: an extent that you're probably he might take you to 98 00:05:56,960 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 3: the playoffs, but you're not. You're not going to the 99 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 3: super Bowl with Aaron Rodgers, was their assessment, and we 100 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,520 Speaker 3: can I don't know if that's true. I think that's 101 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 3: that's how they felt about him, and that going to 102 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: the playoffs and losing in the first round, in the 103 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 3: second round with Aaron Rodgers was would not be worth 104 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 3: the delaying of JJ McCarthy's ascension for another year at 105 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:25,280 Speaker 3: a time when they thought he would be able to 106 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 3: play at a certain floor and then build from there. 107 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 3: The mistake was that he was his floor was much 108 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:34,799 Speaker 3: actually much lower. And the other part was if you say, well, 109 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,159 Speaker 3: at least you could have Aaron Rodgers here for JJ 110 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:41,800 Speaker 3: to learn from for a year. But their feeling was that, 111 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,600 Speaker 3: at least some of the people in the buildings feeling 112 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 3: was that the offense would be so unique with Aaron 113 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 3: Rodgers and the sort of the hand signals that he does, 114 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 3: and this the unique ways that he plays the position 115 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:58,559 Speaker 3: that there wouldn't necessarily be as many transferable things from 116 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:01,400 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers to JJ McCarty to get the benefit that 117 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 3: you would hope and again defensible, debatable, maybe right, maybe wrong, 118 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 3: But that's my understanding of why they didn't sign it. 119 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: Well. 120 00:07:09,560 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: I kept hearing and I think we had Alec Lewis 121 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: yesterday and he's written this as well. The way he's 122 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 1: I think termed it is there was great within the 123 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,679 Speaker 1: building sentiment for Rogers. 124 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: And I said to Alec, I said, I don't doubt that. 125 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: I don't doubt that in any debate or any of 126 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: these personnel moves you could pick any team in which 127 00:07:29,480 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: there would be within the building. 128 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: That doesn't mean that much to me. 129 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: Me. To me, what matters is not what was within 130 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: the building, but what were the two principles thinking, What 131 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: were the decision makers, the general manager and the head coach, 132 00:07:43,320 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: And was there any reason to believe there was a 133 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: big difference of opinion in that regard where I mean, 134 00:07:50,320 --> 00:07:52,960 Speaker 1: we're never going to get all these questions answered, obviously, 135 00:07:53,560 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: But was there any reason to believe the koc is saying, man, 136 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: I'm ready to got I think I can get it 137 00:07:59,280 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: out of a Roger. 138 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 2: I really think we should do it. 139 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 1: And and and he was in effect overruled by the 140 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: GM saying we're not. 141 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,960 Speaker 2: Going to go there. I don't know the answer to that. 142 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 3: I think that he was probably less opposed to it, maybe, 143 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 3: but I still if he really, really really wanted Aaron 144 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 3: Rodgers despite sort of those all the organizational objections. And 145 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 3: you're right, there were other people who were not decision 146 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: makers but maybe prominent people who certainly I thought that 147 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,360 Speaker 3: that was a good idea. But I just don't have 148 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 3: any I don't have any. 149 00:08:38,840 --> 00:08:41,520 Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know, because 150 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:43,440 Speaker 2: you know, I think you might know. 151 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 1: I think you might have some indication you have to 152 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: protect I know you have to protect your souls. 153 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,400 Speaker 3: It's not a matter of I don't have it enough 154 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 3: to be able to say one way or the other. 155 00:08:52,679 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 3: But there's certainly people of that level, you know, like 156 00:08:56,520 --> 00:08:59,800 Speaker 3: and so prominent people, but not decision makers necessarily and 157 00:08:59,840 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 3: so so. But the point is, like, I don't have 158 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 3: any information to suggest that Kevin O'Connell was two feet 159 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 3: on the table wanting to sign Aaron Rodgers and was told. 160 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 2: No, let's do bonus bucks right now. 161 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: We got one more segment with the Seafert will get 162 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: in a couple of other Vikings items, maybe a couple 163 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: of National Football League controversies as well. 164 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 2: What do you got? 165 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 4: Bank is the keyword for the four o'clock hour. The 166 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 4: fan wants to give you a shot to win bonus Bucks. 167 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 4: It is our national cash contest. Go to KFE and 168 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:47,439 Speaker 4: dot com and enter the keyword bank. 169 00:09:55,200 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: Seaffert is a studio for one more segment. I think 170 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 1: we've already established in previous visits that whether Crazy was 171 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:10,360 Speaker 1: still here or not, that the two major power brokers 172 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 1: and players were an agreement, or seemed to be an 173 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:20,720 Speaker 1: agreement that the Vikings could not handle, could not accept 174 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: having the same quarterback story play out the way it 175 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,560 Speaker 1: did a year ago. In other words, they do have 176 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: to find a better option B. If you want to 177 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,480 Speaker 1: call that second option option B. Sam Hall that that 178 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: is not that's a non starter. More than ever, the 179 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,920 Speaker 1: question to me becomes beyond that, do you think KOC 180 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 1: has warned down enough that he's going to be pushing, 181 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: especially with with you know, no permanent general manager in place, 182 00:10:50,960 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 1: He's going to be lobbying behind the scenes that we 183 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: got to do something really aggressive and and and add 184 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 1: not just a maybe guy, but a guy that we 185 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: think is pretty sure. Can I can if I don't 186 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 1: like what I see from McCarthy even in training camp, 187 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 1: that we're going a different direction as soon as them. 188 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 3: I think that that was a potential on the list, 189 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 3: even before Quacy got fired. I think that they, you know, 190 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 3: the way I put it was they were going to 191 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 3: try to run back yet last year's plan and execute 192 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 3: it better. In other words, to get a Daniel Jones 193 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 3: type or if not, a Sam Darnold type to go 194 00:11:27,280 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 3: along with JJ, and that that if JJ were going 195 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 3: to be the starter, it would have been because he 196 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 3: beat that person out, not because he performed you know, 197 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 3: the best of a of a of a middling group. 198 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 3: And so but I will say that, I mean, you 199 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:47,439 Speaker 3: just be naive to see a general manager get fired 200 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,360 Speaker 3: and just assume that all the things that seemed clear 201 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,480 Speaker 3: prior to that point about the team's direction and approach 202 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 3: and plan is going to remain the same and just 203 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 3: be given to other people to execute. And that might 204 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 3: end up being what the case is that they'll just 205 00:12:02,559 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 3: ask Rob Razinski to try to get them a quarterback 206 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 3: that fits the definition we're talking about. But we also 207 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,079 Speaker 3: can't rule out that they could just go try to 208 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 3: get Joe Burrow and say, what's it going to say? 209 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:16,199 Speaker 2: That changes everything. 210 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: But if it's the ladder not the if it's the 211 00:12:19,240 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: former not the ladder, does if I say the name 212 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota, is he high enough caliber to match what 213 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: you think at least in their best case scenario, they 214 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: are going to be able to add to the quarterback, 215 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:40,679 Speaker 1: be able to add or want well maybe what they 216 00:12:40,720 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 1: want to know that I think I mean. 217 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 3: And there's a connection between him and O'Connell. I don't 218 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 3: know if that's what you're. 219 00:12:45,720 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 2: Referencing or not necessarily trained. 220 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 3: He trained Marcus pre draft when he was kind of 221 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 3: when O'Connell was kind of in that role where he 222 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 3: was training people for their pro days and all that. 223 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 3: So they have a personal relationship, but anyway, I think 224 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,400 Speaker 3: their thought was that for somebody more significant than that, 225 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 3: somebody who again like is genuinely competitive with McCarthy and 226 00:13:07,520 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 3: at the very worst forces McCarthy to raise his level 227 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 3: significantly in order to remain the starter. And that in 228 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 3: the same way that I think either Daniel Jones would 229 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 3: have either pushed McCarthy to be better or more likely 230 00:13:22,559 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 3: beaten them out. So I think they're in a position where, 231 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:28,080 Speaker 3: like they I don't think anyone in the organization has 232 00:13:28,120 --> 00:13:30,720 Speaker 3: given up on JJ McCarthy, But I also don't think 233 00:13:30,720 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 3: that they're willing to stake their short term future on 234 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 3: his development, you know, his immediate development, either, And so 235 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 3: I think that the person that they want, and I 236 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 3: you know, there's not a lot of options out there 237 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 3: in the traditional sense right now. Whether that's why I've 238 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 3: always said, like, there's only one man that can save us, 239 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 3: and that's Kirk Kirk Cousins. And but it's somebody like that, 240 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:54,199 Speaker 3: like Kirk was playing pretty decent at the end of 241 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 3: last year, and assuming there's no physical decline between then 242 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,719 Speaker 3: and and the start, that's the type. I mean, then 243 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:03,640 Speaker 3: you say that's the type, But then how many like 244 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 3: even at the level of Kirk Cousins are there. I mean, 245 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:09,000 Speaker 3: do you put Mac Jones at that spot going to 246 00:14:09,440 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 3: like somebody like you know, to me, that's on the 247 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 3: lower end, because I don't see there's never been a 248 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 3: time when he's been a proven you know, seventeen games starter, 249 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 3: he he did well, and so maybe it maybe he 250 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 3: he got the magic forty nine ers pixie dust, you know, 251 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,440 Speaker 3: sprayed on him the same way say Sam Darnold did, 252 00:14:27,480 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 3: and the same situation could play out. But you know that, 253 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 3: you know you're talking about you a coach going into 254 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 3: his fifth season. You know this, it's it's not time 255 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 3: to experiment. It's time to find somebody that's that's on 256 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 3: a proven level. And I think that that's wherever that 257 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 3: comes from, or however that shakes out, Like that's if 258 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 3: they end up with Marcus Mariota, Like he's a fine backup. 259 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:57,080 Speaker 3: But there's nobody in the NFL who thinks Marcus Mariota 260 00:14:57,320 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 3: should be starting, you know, seventeen games, you know this season. 261 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 2: He feels like a backup. Yeah, and that's what you're 262 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 2: looking for. 263 00:15:04,800 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: Did this is from seven to one guy? Did Quazy 264 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: not execute on Jones due to his quote unusual work hours. 265 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: That's our intro into that part of the subject, which 266 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 1: you do you've explored in at least one of your pieces, 267 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: maybe a couple of them as well. 268 00:15:22,480 --> 00:15:24,360 Speaker 2: No, I don't think that's the reason. I think that 269 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 2: there was a you know, if you want to. 270 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: Call it an experience, you want to call it just 271 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 3: skill set, Like I think there was a There was 272 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 3: just an inability to circumstances against It was not as 273 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,040 Speaker 3: easy and he was uphill. And again I don't know 274 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 3: every detail that went on there, but I did pick 275 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 3: up on the expectation that people have thought that more 276 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:44,680 Speaker 3: should have been done there. 277 00:15:44,760 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 1: So in general, on the work hours part, that was 278 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 1: really the point of reading it is it introduces that 279 00:15:51,720 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: reintroduces that subject. Yeah, where does that if you're it's 280 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 1: got to start with the draft. But in the end 281 00:15:58,160 --> 00:16:01,400 Speaker 1: you wrote a lot about detachment, at least a perception 282 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: on the part of I think ownership that or maybe 283 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: other people within the building who told ownership that there's 284 00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:07,880 Speaker 1: too much detachment here. 285 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 2: It's too. 286 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: Shall we say, modern, or too out of the box 287 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 1: compared to what we're used to here, because you still 288 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: got to work with people and you can't just be 289 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 1: in the room with all the numbers. So where does 290 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: that enter into this demise, do you think? 291 00:16:26,960 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 3: I mean, I think, you know that's it falls under 292 00:16:29,720 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 3: the brea of inexperience, like I don't know, like he 293 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 3: had been he'd worked for NFL teams for nine years 294 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:36,840 Speaker 3: or so before he got hired here, and I think 295 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 3: that he saw how people worked, but he was also hired, 296 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 3: you know, to change the culture and to be different 297 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:45,760 Speaker 3: and to approach things in a different way. And it 298 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 3: gets back to the question, is you know where the 299 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 3: Viking structure to support somebody to doing that sort of thing. 300 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 2: But you know, I. 301 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 3: I I think that I think that that I don't 302 00:16:58,600 --> 00:17:01,040 Speaker 3: think it led to like a lot of per animosity. 303 00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 3: I think people hated each other as a result of that. 304 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: But it was kind of like, you know, you need 305 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 3: the experience to be able to read the room and 306 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:16,200 Speaker 3: understand like, am I this might be what in theory 307 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:18,879 Speaker 3: I'm trying to model or in theory what I'm trying 308 00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 3: to to do, But is it working and is it 309 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 3: the right thing for this particular job? 310 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: And so you know, I think that's what I'd say 311 00:17:27,960 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 2: about that was. 312 00:17:28,800 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: The JJ McCarthy uh to the Raiders trade rumor accurate? 313 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 2: Have you heard anything to that family. I heard that 314 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 2: it was a rumor, but I just goes back to 315 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 2: last offseason when. 316 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 3: I don't even know, but I I you know, I 317 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 3: thought the rumor was that he was about to trade. 318 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 3: He was trying to trade JJ McCarthy to the Raiders 319 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 3: like this week. And that's why I okay, no information 320 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 3: to know that that's anything other than a made up rumor. 321 00:17:58,800 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 2: Real quick before we go. 322 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: I haven't heard you, and I don't know if you' 323 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: even had a chance, given all the stuff that you're 324 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: working on or have had to work on. Regarding the 325 00:18:10,440 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame scenario, which ultimately I view more as 326 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: a sign of a bad system than I do any 327 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: kind of conspiracy against Bill Belichick, and I guess now, 328 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: I guess by Bob Kraft adually didn't make it either. 329 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 1: So I just feel like it should be a purer 330 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: system where you're not. You don't have the temptation that 331 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,360 Speaker 1: I think now exists to say, well, I got old timers. 332 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 1: I like these guys, and I don't know how many 333 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 1: more opportunities are going to have to be finalists, so 334 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:45,040 Speaker 1: I'm going for them. Because I know that Belichick's going 335 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 1: to get in, and I obviously know Bob Crafts is 336 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: going to get And what do you make of it? 337 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, they clearly and this is the Bob craft thing 338 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 3: probably confirms it if it wasn't confirmed. After the Belichick thing, 339 00:18:54,440 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 3: they the Hall of Fame created a process to try 340 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 3: to to make to make sure that it's the Hall 341 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,239 Speaker 3: of Fame and not the Hall of really good and 342 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 3: they and they overdid it, and it led voters to 343 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,320 Speaker 3: overthink some things and to try to use the process 344 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 3: to pursue some agendas that maybe weren't in the best 345 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:18,200 Speaker 3: interest of getting the best class in this particular year. 346 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 3: And they're clearly going to have to change it. There's 347 00:19:21,840 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 3: been way too many of the voters publicly saying that, 348 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 3: and they don't the voters themselves don't have the ability 349 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 3: to change the process. But if you're, if your your 350 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 3: group is in revolt, you need to address that. The 351 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:36,479 Speaker 3: Hall of Fame as a board of directors that deals 352 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,280 Speaker 3: with with those sort of things. And I think it's 353 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,240 Speaker 3: pretty clear that they're going to change the process and 354 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 3: that you know, whether that means that both of those 355 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 3: guys get in next year or not. I don't know 356 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 3: because we don't know what the new process is, but 357 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:53,000 Speaker 3: they will change the process to avoid having situations where 358 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 3: one of the top if there's a five person class, 359 00:19:56,600 --> 00:20:00,159 Speaker 3: that that those five people are the best five that 360 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:01,360 Speaker 3: were on the ballot this year. 361 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:05,040 Speaker 1: Give me, from your next year, give me, from your perspective, 362 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: the most intriguing name to become the next outside this 363 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: organization general manager or president of football operations, whatever you 364 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: want to say it. 365 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,920 Speaker 3: For your Minnesota Vikings, well, I mean the name that 366 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 3: this keeps coming up is George Peyton. And to me 367 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 3: that's intriguing, not because we know him he was, but 368 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 3: it's just I mean, it creates the ultimate NFL pendulum. 369 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 3: I mean Rix bielman right hand man going not back 370 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 3: just to Miami, not going back to Chicago, I mean 371 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 3: go all the way back to when he was at 372 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 3: Chicago was George Peyton. And so when Rix Bielman got 373 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 3: hired here in two thousand and six, he had to 374 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 3: wait a year to get George out of his contract. 375 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 3: But I think two thousand and seven he brings in 376 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 3: George as his right hand man, and so you would 377 00:20:52,960 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 3: be going from a decade and a half of Rix 378 00:20:55,160 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 3: Spielman to four years of a very polar oppostion it 379 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 3: in every way to pendel them all the way back 380 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,919 Speaker 3: to Rick Spielman junior basically, And so I know that 381 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 3: would be the friendly, nice fun addition, uh. And I'm 382 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 3: sure all the people in the building would would be 383 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 3: happy because because George is a really good human being, 384 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,520 Speaker 3: and you could do a lot worse having someone of 385 00:21:19,560 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 3: his character at the top of your front office. But 386 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 3: I question whether like that's the you know, like what 387 00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 3: the point of of almost basically two decades of Viking's 388 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:32,719 Speaker 3: history would be if you're basically just going from Rick 389 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:38,080 Speaker 3: Spielman back to Rick Spielman eventually, And so that that 390 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 3: jumps out to me. And also I think we have 391 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 3: to if, if, if George becomes an actual candidate, I 392 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 3: think we have to look at the body of work 393 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 3: when he was in Denver before Sean Payton got there. 394 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:52,880 Speaker 3: I mean, the Russell Wilson trade coaching hires not very good. 395 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 3: And so I think that, and I'm sure there were 396 00:21:55,080 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 3: more circumstances that I'm not the most important, and more 397 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 3: reasons why those things happen, and how much was in 398 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 3: his control or ownership or what have you. But you know, 399 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 3: it's that that like, yeah, and I'm not saying like 400 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,000 Speaker 3: new was better or different is better. You know, we 401 00:22:11,080 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 3: found you know, I think they kind of went in 402 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 3: that direction the past four years and found out that 403 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:21,639 Speaker 3: it isn't always better. But uh, and there would be 404 00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 3: a lot of questions in my mind if they end 405 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 3: up with a process that gets them back to where they. 406 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 2: Were four years ago. Has the Rooney rule failed? 407 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 3: The Rooney rule has not failed because the point of 408 00:22:32,920 --> 00:22:37,960 Speaker 3: the Runey rule is to surface and require basically require 409 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 3: owners to at least have an audience with a diverse group. 410 00:22:42,880 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 3: What the Rooney rule can't do and what you can't, 411 00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:51,919 Speaker 3: either legally or morally or whatever, is force the decisions, uh, 412 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:53,640 Speaker 3: that these the owners make. 413 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 2: And you can't. 414 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 3: I mean you maybe, I'm sure there's been times when 415 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:01,719 Speaker 3: people have been leaned on, but you can't force someone 416 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 3: a group of thirty two you know, subsidiary companies to 417 00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 3: make a certain percentage of hires in any particularly. 418 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,200 Speaker 2: Ethnicity, and you have to you have to. 419 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:16,959 Speaker 3: The most you can do as a league office is 420 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 3: require that they have a diverse set of candidates and 421 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 3: do your best to create the best pool of those candidates, 422 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 3: and that's one thing that maybe didn't happen this year 423 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 3: because they put on hiatus their accelerator program that sort 424 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 3: of connects those candidates with the decision makers in a 425 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:42,400 Speaker 3: less urgent way. But you can't force these owners to 426 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 3: to think differently than the way they're going to think. 427 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 3: And that is not as true in the NFL. It's 428 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 3: not just true in sports, it's everything. And so you 429 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 3: can you can stand on the table and say diversity 430 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,199 Speaker 3: is good, it brings and make sure that you have 431 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 3: that you're picking a better chance of making a great 432 00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:00,840 Speaker 3: hire when you're when you're pool of candidates is as 433 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 3: diverse as possible. 434 00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:03,920 Speaker 2: But you can't force. 435 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 3: Any owner to make a decision based on that particular 436 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 3: set of circumstances. 437 00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:13,719 Speaker 1: Lastly, we're running a little late. Gleaman is chomping at 438 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: the bit. He's ready to go. Oh, I'm gonna give 439 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: you a little advice. You probably don't need it. It's 440 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,479 Speaker 1: not like you're a pup in this business. But it 441 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:27,640 Speaker 1: occurs to me that moving forward, one of the tricks 442 00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:30,639 Speaker 1: that you might want to consider the next time you 443 00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: write a more analytical piece, for example, about the vikings 444 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:37,640 Speaker 1: and maybe where they're headed in terms of GM. If 445 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:43,280 Speaker 1: you headline it, what I'm hearing this is the new 446 00:24:43,320 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: game that's apparently being played at the Athletic I've noticed it. 447 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: It's the what I'm hearing is put literally in the headline, 448 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,439 Speaker 1: and then it can be oh, absolutely, what I'm hearing 449 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,240 Speaker 1: about the honest to the Wolves, what I'm hearing about 450 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 1: James Harden to the Cavaliers. That's the new thing. I'm 451 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 1: sure there have been studies on this word. WHOA what 452 00:25:05,600 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: he's hearing or what she's hearing? I got to read that, 453 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,400 Speaker 1: so you know, barbing for me to tell you you're 454 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: with the ESPN Empire. 455 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think you guys might be lagging behind. 456 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 3: It sounds like that regard great SEO, you know, Search 457 00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 3: Engine optimization. Maybe somebody googles, I'm what is Dan Barrero here? 458 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 3: And if you had a headline of that, bring you 459 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 3: right there. 460 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:27,160 Speaker 2: Just saying. 461 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,640 Speaker 1: In fact, I'm guessing Gleaman's got one coming very soon 462 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: on the Twins, if he hasn't done it already. 463 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:32,640 Speaker 2: But that's the new thing. 464 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,440 Speaker 1: I've seen it, like I think six times in the 465 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:37,760 Speaker 1: last three weeks in the Athletic chain. 466 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, think about it. Thanks for coming, Okay, Dan. 467 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: Kevin Seaffert ESPN dot Com. I mentioned Gleaman is in 468 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 1: the house. We might touch on the twins, but what 469 00:25:47,840 --> 00:25:52,360 Speaker 1: if we end up talking more wolves or even soccer. 470 00:25:52,560 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: Will explain when we come back. Well, our next guest 471 00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: has come a long way from being the blogger in 472 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 1: the basement. And I don't even know if you ever 473 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,879 Speaker 1: blogged in your basement, but that was the reputation. 474 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 2: Remember those days I never. 475 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 5: Had My mother's house did not have a basement. 476 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 2: The image of our next guest, Aaron Gleaman, was. 477 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:32,400 Speaker 1: No accountability because he writes about everything in his underwear 478 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,080 Speaker 1: in the basement, and he's got empty pizza boxes all around, 479 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: and that's much in this case. You're exactly right, and 480 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: if that was it, I feel like you've come a 481 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: long way from that, no matter how fair or unfair 482 00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,199 Speaker 1: that image might have been. But I to me, the 483 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: ultimate ultimate test for me regarding sort of your ascension 484 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: is whether you have yet been granted the opportunity to 485 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: write under the headline in the Athletic this is what 486 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 1: I hear or I'm hearing this because I saw it 487 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: from Johnny Athletic as it pertains to Jannis. I saw 488 00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: it from somebody from the Athletic. I don't know if 489 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 1: they're based in either Cleveland or in Los Angeles about 490 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: James Harden coming to the that's somebody has decided that's 491 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: the way you get people's attention. This is what I hear. 492 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: Have you had a chance to write a this is 493 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: what I hear for the Athletic. 494 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 5: This is what I hear the twins are doing. Nothing 495 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,520 Speaker 5: like is that, Wow, there's a clickbait. No. My version 496 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,360 Speaker 5: of that is because I'm on the beat with Dan Hayes. Yeah, 497 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 5: my partner on the beat, and he's much more of 498 00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 5: a traditional beat reporter, where I'm more of a analysis 499 00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 5: or column or opinion whatever. They will, like I wrote 500 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:47,879 Speaker 5: about the fall v exit the other day, and then 501 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 5: they'll slap the gleam and colon as that beginning of 502 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 5: the headline. So that's the best so that people know, 503 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,560 Speaker 5: don't blame Dan Hayes for just the level of bs 504 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,639 Speaker 5: or analysis or opinion however you view it, that is 505 00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 5: contained in this. 506 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 2: So I guess that's my version. 507 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,480 Speaker 5: The only like the biggestcension, you know, it's twenty something 508 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,200 Speaker 5: years later. Basically I now am able to sit around 509 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,359 Speaker 5: my own house in my underwear with the empty container 510 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 5: and the beauty of it. It's really no different. No, 511 00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:15,639 Speaker 5: it's not change. Once in a while you got to 512 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,040 Speaker 5: go to target field or something, throw press past something. 513 00:28:18,040 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 1: But I think the more and the more accurate headline, 514 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: to be precise, is what I'm hearing. 515 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 2: That's what I definitely whoa because it's intriguing whoa and 516 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:28,240 Speaker 2: it kind of is. 517 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,919 Speaker 1: But my position is if you go with it every time, 518 00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: probably it's going to start losing it's impact. It's a 519 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: little bit like the breaking news sounder or the breaking 520 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 1: news you know message on CNN. If you go with 521 00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: it constantly, people start yawning and they are just not 522 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: even thinking what's really breaking news. 523 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 5: I'm just in my head in visioning scenarios where there's 524 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 5: anything the twins would even be in the mix for doing. 525 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 5: I mean, that's the part. I'm sure we're going to 526 00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 5: get into this. But like they've made a few very 527 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 5: low wattage moves, obviously, but the lack of even them 528 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 5: being linked to trade rumors or free agent rumors for 529 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,280 Speaker 5: the last several months is really kind of shocking to 530 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,480 Speaker 5: me and that's coming from someone who's covered the Twins 531 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 5: basically for twenty years, where there's certainly been years like this. 532 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 5: This is sort of standard for them, where the lack 533 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 5: of spending overall and the payrolls low and all that 534 00:29:21,080 --> 00:29:24,280 Speaker 5: stuff underwhelming off seasons. But even in most of those, 535 00:29:24,840 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 5: there's at least, you know, some national report from Ken 536 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 5: Rosenthal or Bob Nagale or some where it's like, oh, 537 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 5: the Twins are you know, kicking the tires on this 538 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 5: guy peripheral reference. I haven't even seen that. And you know, 539 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 5: from our standpoint, we're trying to report and speculate and stuff, 540 00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:42,640 Speaker 5: and believe me, if we heard this stuff, we would 541 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:45,000 Speaker 5: report it, possibly under the headline that you were just 542 00:29:45,040 --> 00:29:49,400 Speaker 5: talking about. But it's been so just like a you know, 543 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,400 Speaker 5: tumbleweeds rolling through as an off season, and it's possible 544 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 5: even you know, there's a week and a half till 545 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 5: I head down the spring training and they'll be there, 546 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 5: but it's possible they sign a reliever or something like that. 547 00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 2: I think they still would like to do that. 548 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 5: But the thing is, and they will tell you Tom 549 00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 5: pole D for instance, did a media thing not. 550 00:30:06,960 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 2: Like let me get to that. 551 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:09,720 Speaker 5: Yeah, and one of the things he said was, you know, 552 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:14,440 Speaker 5: I still think there's room to add here, and he said, 553 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 5: and Folby said before he left the bullpen. A right 554 00:30:17,240 --> 00:30:20,000 Speaker 5: handed reliever is really like the most glaring weakness that 555 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 5: everyone has identified for months. Now here's the problem with that. 556 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 5: I'm willing to believe that they want to add a 557 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 5: right handed reliever. And I'm maybe even willing to believe 558 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 5: they've got three million or even let's go nuts five million. 559 00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 5: There are no good right handed relievers left unsigned other 560 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 5: than maybe like rehab project guy coming back from Tommy 561 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,120 Speaker 5: John surgery. But like if you looked at the top 562 00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:43,400 Speaker 5: twenty five relievers free agent at the beginning of the 563 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 5: off season, literally all twenty. 564 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 2: Five of signs. So that's where I'm at with it. 565 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,479 Speaker 5: Is like, okay, when I see it on the spending, 566 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,200 Speaker 5: but also what's left to spend on. 567 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: What would excite Aaron Gleaman Moore. Okay, the loose signing 568 00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:05,760 Speaker 1: Columbia in soccer star James Rodriguez or the Timberwolves trading 569 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: for so. 570 00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,320 Speaker 5: It's close because the one guy I've heard of for 571 00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 5: four seconds now, I did see Lavell tweeting about something. 572 00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,160 Speaker 2: Excited and I'll go out with sameiam with Level. 573 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,960 Speaker 1: I've never heard of him, but he's everybody's saying that 574 00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 1: he would easily be the biggest. It'd be the most 575 00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: seismic signing the history of the Loons. Now maybe that's 576 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,800 Speaker 1: faint praise. I don't know. Can we do the new 577 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,840 Speaker 1: level bit? This is a big, big flash. It was 578 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: not for the Twins flash. 579 00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:37,400 Speaker 2: What if we get. 580 00:31:37,280 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 1: Them both and we got Quinn Hughes, I mean we 581 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: got we were no longer flyover country at that point, 582 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:46,400 Speaker 1: be correct. 583 00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 2: Think about it. 584 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 5: What here's is this is sad, and this is coming 585 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 5: from someone who covers the Twins, so keep that in mind. 586 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,520 Speaker 5: But is it sad that I saw Lavell tweet something 587 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 5: about some star guy going to the Loons, and I thought, 588 00:31:58,480 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 5: why would he do that? Why? 589 00:32:00,360 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 2: You know what I mean? 590 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 5: Not because but like hy MLS. I know he's an 591 00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:06,520 Speaker 5: MLS now but right, yeah, No, we're. 592 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 2: Trying to upgrade. 593 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 5: I've gotten very good over the years of like having 594 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 5: dinner with Lavelle at target field or something and just 595 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,920 Speaker 5: sort of nodding along he talks about international soccer because 596 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 5: I used to try to ask questions and then I 597 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 5: realized like, I don't really care enough to fake it, 598 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,440 Speaker 5: and also he's just gonna go on. 599 00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know links fans, Lon's fans. Excuse me. 600 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 2: It's exciting, I guess. Yeah, Giannis is intriguing. 601 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 5: And then of course I'm sure you guys mentioned this already, 602 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 5: but the salary dump of Connolly. 603 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 2: You're supposed to be the guest today at three o'clock. 604 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 2: I know, I thought he was kidding. 605 00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,160 Speaker 5: I thought gg was kidding, but he said it was really. 606 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 2: Booked right at the top of the top of the 607 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:41,520 Speaker 2: show for about an hour. 608 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: Another bumper to bumper, regular athlete guest gone, it is 609 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: a curse. It's now we're well, I have to add 610 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: him up. I think we're up to eight. Yeah, maybe nine. 611 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 4: Well, and this year has been a bumper year, and 612 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 4: we lost Steeling in the middle of the year, and 613 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,400 Speaker 4: then we lose Conley. 614 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,440 Speaker 2: Our non athletic guests never leave. 615 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 4: No, you've had him for decades, including Lavelle, including Seaffert, 616 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,360 Speaker 4: and part of that our non athletes are locked in. 617 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:07,840 Speaker 2: There's seems to be no danger. 618 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 5: But that would have been amazing radio for you to 619 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 5: read the tweet to Connolly. 620 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: And went well, I still wanted to have him on, 621 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,320 Speaker 1: but guards he was bored with it. 622 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,560 Speaker 2: I thought, you know, you got his number. I do 623 00:33:19,720 --> 00:33:22,440 Speaker 2: text them. I have all you have. I mean, first 624 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 2: I like to say, hey, of course for everything. Of course, yes, 625 00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:28,200 Speaker 2: that'll be humane about it. I try to be Yeah, 626 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 2: at least somebody's got to on this show. 627 00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:32,720 Speaker 5: He's probably already on what is it the Score or something. 628 00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 2: Probably a regular gig there, Mike Mulligan interview. It's probably true. 629 00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: Uh yeah, Well, the the key question there, of course, is. 630 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 2: Is that the precursor? 631 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 1: But the way it's been explained to me so far 632 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:54,880 Speaker 1: is it's not impossible that that's a move because they save, right, 633 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:58,080 Speaker 1: what was twenty three million dollars? They they're they're under 634 00:33:58,120 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: now the not just the second apron, the first apron. 635 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: Conley's future here was it was over. I mean, let's 636 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 1: face which you. 637 00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 5: Said, he's I tweeted this before I gotten the card 638 00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 5: come over here. But like he is really one of 639 00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 5: my favorite wolves of all time. Like he was such 640 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 5: a perfect fit when he came over, and he was 641 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 5: already you know, into his thirties at that point, and 642 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 5: I remember watching you know, first dozen games he played, 643 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 5: and thinking how much fun must he have want been 644 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 5: to watch for Utah fans or especially meant his products. Yeah, 645 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 5: to be like to get this eighty two times a 646 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 5: year and just the consistency of it, and yeah, this year, 647 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 5: we saw it. Last year on the decline, this kind 648 00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:35,920 Speaker 5: of became sadly like unplayable. But yeah, I mean it 649 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 5: saves them a bunch of money ownership wise, yes, And 650 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 5: it also opens up a few more avenues to like 651 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 5: aggregate salaries exactly, stuff like that. But it could also 652 00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 5: just be a salary dump. It could be part of 653 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,720 Speaker 5: the biggest trade bet anybody. 654 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 1: However, see, and this is we're gonna hear this from 655 00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,359 Speaker 1: some of the pole out apologists. It's gonna be, oh, 656 00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: how funny that wolves do a salary or anything about it. 657 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,080 Speaker 1: And I'd say, well, I can actually live given how 658 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 1: much they have spent. 659 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 2: And I get it. It's new ownership. 660 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: But with this kind of salary dump, given Mike Conley's 661 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: future is either way, you can see it. 662 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 2: He's somewhe limited. 663 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,840 Speaker 1: Hopefully it does lead to something else, I you know, 664 00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,359 Speaker 1: who knows, It's too early to tell. 665 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 5: And the reason it saves them, it was like twenty 666 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,040 Speaker 5: two million or something I think I saw on Twitter, 667 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,359 Speaker 5: but is because there they were over the luxury tax 668 00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 5: threshold already, which is a reality that the twins will 669 00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 5: never have the same owners. 670 00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think now we're our luxury tax drops from 671 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: twenty four to mil to three point eight million. That's 672 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,200 Speaker 1: a massive drop and it does give you more flexibility 673 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:45,120 Speaker 1: to move some things around. But here's my before we 674 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 1: get and we will get to the twins obviously, but 675 00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: you're a Wolves guy, So. 676 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:52,480 Speaker 2: Where are you on? 677 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:57,640 Speaker 1: Because there's no question that minimum to get this deal done, 678 00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:04,840 Speaker 1: you're giving up two of the following three players Randall, 679 00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: who else might forget McDaniel, Reid McDaniel, you're giving up 680 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: automatically two of those. 681 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,160 Speaker 2: You might have to give up all three of those. 682 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 1: And there are people who say, wait a minute, what 683 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:16,959 Speaker 1: are you left with? 684 00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 2: You may end up with two of the. 685 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:24,279 Speaker 1: Seven best players in the league, but if you're gutted elsewhere, 686 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 1: what's the point? So are you squeamish or do you 687 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,840 Speaker 1: say no, I'm all in. I'm in Conley as in 688 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: Tim Conley. I trust he's going to get one other 689 00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:37,319 Speaker 1: player back in one of these If it's a three 690 00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 1: or four team deal or deal that's going to be 691 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:40,799 Speaker 1: a rotation player as well. 692 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:41,560 Speaker 2: So what do you say? 693 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,440 Speaker 5: It is funny that one of the I would say 694 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 5: weaknesses of this this year's team and that's made them 695 00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,000 Speaker 5: so frustrating is after you get past like six or seven, 696 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,279 Speaker 5: that they don't have much there. They have nothing going right, 697 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,840 Speaker 5: Shannon Dillingham haven't been able to step forward correct and 698 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 5: this would obviously magnify that. 699 00:36:57,040 --> 00:36:58,000 Speaker 2: That's a great extent. 700 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 5: My feeling is if you actually have a sense, either 701 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 5: he said it or you just feel like it, that 702 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,120 Speaker 5: you can get Yannest to finish his career here. Yes, 703 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 5: and you know he's thirty one, I think, or thirty two. 704 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:13,080 Speaker 5: I would say he got probably three more superstar years. 705 00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:13,600 Speaker 2: Let's hope. 706 00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,759 Speaker 5: Then I would be willing to take what is it's 707 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,160 Speaker 5: a massive risk. I mean, it can go horrible. We've 708 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 5: seen this with trying to kind of put together star 709 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,840 Speaker 5: superstar duos like this and the problem is you just 710 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,279 Speaker 5: don't have the depth. But I feel like I don't 711 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,160 Speaker 5: know that this year's team was going to be able 712 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,320 Speaker 5: to topple okay, see let alone some other people because 713 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 5: of some of the problems. So you sort of have 714 00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:38,439 Speaker 5: the same depth problem, except now you, like you said, 715 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,400 Speaker 5: you have two of the top ten players in the 716 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,359 Speaker 5: entire league. I also, here's the other thing. I don't 717 00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,120 Speaker 5: know that you can really play Rudy and Yannis together. 718 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 5: They'd be amazing defensively, obviously, yes, but neither of him 719 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:53,800 Speaker 5: can shoot. And what works with either Rando or nas 720 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 5: paired with Rudy is that nas especially is just launching threes. 721 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 5: But if you're playing Yannest with Rudy, they're just going 722 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 5: to pack the paint at that point, and then you're 723 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 5: back to some of the issues that Wolf's had in 724 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,360 Speaker 5: years past where they didn't have enough shooting. 725 00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,839 Speaker 2: So I guess my feeling. I love McDaniels. 726 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:11,240 Speaker 5: I think nas Read's one of the most likable players 727 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,759 Speaker 5: in Wolf's history, and Randall has been very good and 728 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,319 Speaker 5: much better than I expected him to. 729 00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 2: Be when they made that trade. 730 00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:18,400 Speaker 5: But I do think if you can get an in 731 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,719 Speaker 5: your in their prime, first ballot Hall of Fame, you know, 732 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 5: inner Circle guy, you kind of have to do it. 733 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,600 Speaker 5: And like you said, there's gonna be enough cap matching 734 00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,080 Speaker 5: situations where I'm sure you can get some playable wing 735 00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 5: or something like that. 736 00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:33,320 Speaker 2: Back, but yeah, it is scary. 737 00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:37,200 Speaker 5: And I also just wonder because my assumption you listed 738 00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,920 Speaker 5: the three guys my chumpson is nobody really wants Rudy 739 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:42,239 Speaker 5: as part of that deal. And I just don't know 740 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 5: if that's making what is already a difficult roster fit 741 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 5: even worse, because then Rudy's clearly your. 742 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:49,120 Speaker 2: Third best player. 743 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:50,880 Speaker 5: It's not like you're not going to play them, but 744 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:52,440 Speaker 5: then your offense gets a little weird. 745 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 2: At that offense gets weird. He's playing great defensively this year. 746 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:56,759 Speaker 2: That's grey of it. 747 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:03,200 Speaker 1: I've been schooled by Pele himself, Lovel says. Rodriguez's first 748 00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:08,320 Speaker 1: name is pronounced hamas okay, homis Rodriguez. So I apologize 749 00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,960 Speaker 1: to the soccer community if I did not know that 750 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 1: there's there's the Lovel, big, big splash. 751 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:16,879 Speaker 2: So we'll see. 752 00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:19,920 Speaker 1: We'll keep you informed if Johnny has anything. You keep 753 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,240 Speaker 1: your monitoring all the wires. 754 00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:21,680 Speaker 2: Guardsy. 755 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,240 Speaker 1: I'm assuming because we got the trade deadline is Thursday 756 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:28,440 Speaker 1: at two o'clock. But you know, I'm anticipating a six 757 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 1: thirty two Sham's bomb that could happen. That's what I mean, 758 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:33,239 Speaker 1: will be in the car. Yeah, Guardian and I had 759 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,879 Speaker 1: talked about this yesterday, and you could appreciate this too, 760 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:39,520 Speaker 1: because you've been around long enough, I think, to get 761 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: this part of it. On the one hand, leaving aside 762 00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,480 Speaker 1: whether they get him or whether the price is too high, 763 00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,839 Speaker 1: whatever the case may be, the thing that we now 764 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:55,520 Speaker 1: take for granted should never be taken for granted if 765 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,680 Speaker 1: you have any history with the Minnesota Timberwolves, like I do, 766 00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:01,040 Speaker 1: which goes back to know when they when they first 767 00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:07,720 Speaker 1: started this whole franchise. The notion that a two time MVP, 768 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,399 Speaker 1: one of the best players in the world, I don't 769 00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:14,960 Speaker 1: know if he's top fifty, I don't know if he 770 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: made whatever he's he honest is a terrific basketball player, 771 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,600 Speaker 1: has said according to all sources that we trust, he 772 00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:27,320 Speaker 1: would not be opposed to and might even be excited 773 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:32,680 Speaker 1: by going to the Misso Timberwolves franchise is so mind 774 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,759 Speaker 1: boggling for those of us who remember, for example, the 775 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,520 Speaker 1: Jimmy Rodgers era of Wolves basketball. You know, Scottie Roth, 776 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:49,160 Speaker 1: Pouh Richardson, Shane Heel, Shane Heel, Kurt Rambus, the names. 777 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:53,720 Speaker 1: That's true should never be taken for granted. It's it's 778 00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:58,719 Speaker 1: it's such a a contrast with the larger history of 779 00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,000 Speaker 1: this organization that it's people should never just yawn about 780 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,799 Speaker 1: the fact that we're in that mix, right. 781 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 5: I mean, even what was it now, four or five 782 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 5: years ago when they made the go Bear trade. One 783 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:11,600 Speaker 5: of the things people said at that point, and Conley 784 00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:14,120 Speaker 5: might have even said it at that point, was We're 785 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,640 Speaker 5: not going to be able to sign even if we 786 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 5: had the cap space. You know, a five time All Star, 787 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,520 Speaker 5: multi time Defensive Player of the Year like those guys 788 00:41:21,560 --> 00:41:24,680 Speaker 5: are not viewing Minnesota as a destination. And I still 789 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,960 Speaker 5: think that's largely true. You're not going to get superstar 790 00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,680 Speaker 5: to outright shoes Minnesota. But I even compared to five 791 00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:31,719 Speaker 5: years ago, what you're saying, I think is absolutely right, 792 00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 5: which is just the idea that Jannis could be presented 793 00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 5: with some possibilities and go, yeah. 794 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 2: I wouldn't mind Miami. 795 00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:42,160 Speaker 5: Maybe New York and Minnesota wouldn't better, although maybe that's 796 00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:46,480 Speaker 5: part of it living in Milwaukee all this time. I 797 00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,720 Speaker 5: think it is a good prep to be like, listen, 798 00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 5: it is not like he's been playing. 799 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,759 Speaker 2: In Miami that fat time or LA or something like that. 800 00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:54,400 Speaker 5: But yeah, it is a big I mean, if you 801 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 5: would have told childhood me going to Wolves games, you know, 802 00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:01,080 Speaker 5: twenty years ago or whatever, that I think certainly one 803 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,600 Speaker 5: of the top fifty players of all time is going 804 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,120 Speaker 5: to be like, yeah, we'll be fine with Minnesota. 805 00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 2: I'd be like, what, Like, what happened? What do they 806 00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 2: have on him that he's willing to do that. 807 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,200 Speaker 1: The other piece of this that I appreciate that we 808 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: have not discussed as much is having a general manager 809 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:21,040 Speaker 1: or a president of basketball operations with the chops, the history, 810 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:28,680 Speaker 1: the gravitas to understand how to explore that possibility and 811 00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 1: to have the kahonas to say, if I feel like 812 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: we get to that sweet spot, I ain't worried, I 813 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:38,920 Speaker 1: will do it. That also should not be taken for granted, 814 00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,280 Speaker 1: especially in this town, one could say, especially because. 815 00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:45,719 Speaker 5: You know, in the moment, the go Bear trade I 816 00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:47,400 Speaker 5: thought wasn't super popular. 817 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,440 Speaker 2: I know I loved it as an overpaid not that 818 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:50,720 Speaker 2: it was a disastrous trade. 819 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,040 Speaker 5: And then obviously the Cat for Randall et cetera trade 820 00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:57,000 Speaker 5: was a shocker. But also people were like, really ran 821 00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,400 Speaker 5: and not that they've won you know, titles from But 822 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,640 Speaker 5: I think in both of those cases, even a critic 823 00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,080 Speaker 5: of those moves would have to admit they worked out 824 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,160 Speaker 5: a lot better than most people thought. And so I 825 00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,319 Speaker 5: do think not only has he established a rep for 826 00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 5: taking big swings and actually getting stuff done as opposed 827 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,040 Speaker 5: to some other teams where it's like, oh, we finished. 828 00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:18,120 Speaker 2: Runner up for this guy is a common thing, but. 829 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,280 Speaker 5: I also think he's earned a little bit of credit 830 00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:24,040 Speaker 5: where it's like, wow, I'm willing to let this play 831 00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,640 Speaker 5: out right, like don't trade everyone for your honest I 832 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:29,200 Speaker 5: think in the back of people's mind's like, wow, I 833 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 5: didn't love the go bear trade. 834 00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 2: I didn't love the cat trade. Those both worked out 835 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:32,799 Speaker 2: pretty well, all. 836 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:35,400 Speaker 1: Right, top of the hour pause, we will talk baseball, 837 00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,319 Speaker 1: although part of the reason I think we haven't spent 838 00:43:38,360 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 1: as much time on that story as we have the 839 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:47,160 Speaker 1: Vikings culture chasm is it's hard to know why one 840 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,040 Speaker 1: would invest all that much time and trouble and whatever 841 00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:52,480 Speaker 1: the Viking or the Twins are cooking up or whatever 842 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:57,400 Speaker 1: led to the the in this case, the divorce between 843 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,359 Speaker 1: Falvey and ownership the rest of the organization, et cetera. 844 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,120 Speaker 1: So we'll get to many of those items. We got 845 00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,680 Speaker 1: a lot of good texts already coming in Gleaming for 846 00:44:05,719 --> 00:44:08,719 Speaker 1: another half hour, and Louie will join at about five 847 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:09,439 Speaker 1: point thirty states