WEBVTT - 10-14-25 Lance with Terence Moore 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.200 Six, twenty seven hundred WLW Welcome into the RNL Carrier 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:15.360 Sports Talk presented by Kelsey Chevroleham, Lance McAllister Man. I 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:17.600 can't wait to talk with my next guest. He's an 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:20.240 award winning columnist and author who's covered just about everything 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:21.720 there is to cover in the world of sports over 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:24.200 the years. A while back, we talked with him about 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:28.240 a book he wrote, Red Brick Legacy, wonderful book about 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:30.800 Miami's cradle of Coaches. I'll never forget his story about 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:33.640 calling Walter Alston at home one night. His new book 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:37.159 is another must read, My Big Red Machine, The Tails, 0:00:37.240 --> 0:00:41.280 Drama and Revelations of a fan term journalist covering Baseball's 0:00:41.360 --> 0:00:45.440 greatest team. What a treat to welcome in, Terrence Moore, Terrence. 0:00:45.120 --> 0:00:47.360 How are you? I? 0:00:47.360 --> 0:00:49.800 I'm doing quite well, LANs And there's always great to 0:00:49.840 --> 0:00:52.360 talk to you. And even beyond the fact that you 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:55.360 and I have that self in Indiana connection. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:57.680 No doubt, and we have a connection to loving the 0:00:57.680 --> 0:01:00.680 Big Red Machine. And this book hits my spot and 0:01:01.040 --> 0:01:04.440 you live this kind of trace the timeline for listeners 0:01:04.440 --> 0:01:06.800 of growing up with the Big Red Machine and the 0:01:06.840 --> 0:01:08.800 path to covering the Big Red Machine. 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:11.720 I want to tell you something to last. I'm getting 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:16.000 chilled right now because you know, I'm somewhat biased obviously 0:01:16.000 --> 0:01:18.759 because I wrote the book. But whenever I think about 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:21.360 the Bigger Red Machine, whenever I think about this book, 0:01:22.040 --> 0:01:23.640 whenever I think about what I'm going to tell you, 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:28.120 it's just it's almost an outer body experience. But the 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:31.200 answer question, you know, I grew up itself in Indiana. 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:34.640 My dad was an act supervisor. And I got to 0:01:34.680 --> 0:01:38.040 also say this, I'm a very spiritual person. I don't 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:41.199 think there's anything that's by coincidence. So he gets transferred 0:01:41.240 --> 0:01:44.960 by dad to Cincinnati in nineteen sixty eight and the 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:49.080 fall sixty eight, and you know, twelve years old, and 0:01:49.120 --> 0:01:53.760 from that point quickly became a die hard Rent fan, 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:57.440 and certainly the Bigger machine started coming into play that 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:00.680 next year of sixty nine, the first four year Johnny bench. 0:02:01.040 --> 0:02:02.840 But to make a Losstoy sword, we're gonna talk about 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:06.280 more details. I go from being that diehard Ritch fan 0:02:06.440 --> 0:02:10.800 going to crawsley Field River Front Stadium, devouring anything about 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:13.639 in the rids, to going up the school up there 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:16.720 at the Great Miami, Ohio Miami University of OXVI Ohio, 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:20.560 thirty five miles away, and a week after graduating from Miami, 0:02:20.639 --> 0:02:24.040 Ohio and May of nineteen seventy eight, started working full 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:26.480 time for the Siscid Inquirer. I mean, you can't make 0:02:26.520 --> 0:02:30.320 this stuff up. And one of my primary beats was 0:02:30.400 --> 0:02:34.720 covering my childhood heroes. And I won't bury the leading last. 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:36.400 I'm not going to bear the lead. You know what 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:40.919 to to saying you should never meet your heroes. I did, 0:02:41.240 --> 0:02:44.520 and unlike others, it was fantastic. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:45.880 Tren Tai. 0:02:46.440 --> 0:02:48.639 I got chills when I read your account of it, 0:02:48.800 --> 0:02:50.960 and I want to say, this was May fourteen of 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:53.959 seventy six. You're a sophomore at Miami and you're in 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:55.800 the Reds Club ass for the first time ever and 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:57.239 you meet Pete Rose. 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:58.600 What was that moment? 0:02:58.760 --> 0:03:04.480 Like? Well, and let's backtrack, okay, sixty eight. I bought 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:08.120 these posters, two posters from an old place called I 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.919 think it's called field House, those sporting goods in Cincinnati, 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:14.400 and one was the Pete Rolls one of was the 0:03:14.440 --> 0:03:16.640 other one was Hank Aaron and I started these posts 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:19.280 to this day and that perfect condition. But anyway, I 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.000 was a die hard Ped Rolls fan. My all time 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:26.079 favorite player. So in May of May fourteenth, nineteen seventy six, 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:29.919 on a Friday, sophomore Miami, as you pointed out, and 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.920 Joe Nuxhall got me into the clubhouse, and that's another 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:33.600 story that's. 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:33.840 In the book. 0:03:34.400 --> 0:03:39.200 And I'm just overwhelmed because these are my heroes. I'm 0:03:39.200 --> 0:03:41.880 saying Tony Friz, I'm saying Johnny Mess, I'm saying Joe Morgan. 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:45.640 But I don't see my guy, Pete Rose. So it's 0:03:45.680 --> 0:03:47.960 about time for me to leave. At least in my mind. 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:49.560 I probably couldn't stay Downre a little bit longer if 0:03:49.600 --> 0:03:51.760 I was getting kind of nervous. I'm twenty years old, 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:54.800 you know, I shouldn't be here. So I'm trying to 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:58.800 leave and Pete Rose, who does not know me from Adam, 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.200 walks straight toward me and six out of his hand 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:04.200 with a smile, and he says, my name is Pete Rose. 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:09.680 What's your name? I'm like any more? And he says, 0:04:09.920 --> 0:04:12.400 do you work for the cists that inquirer? I said no. 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:14.800 He said, okay, well you work for the Mquire someday, 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:18.479 and I'm like, is he serious? A year after that, 0:04:18.760 --> 0:04:20.760 a year after that, I'm an intern at the cists 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:23.880 that Inquirer. This is summer nineteen seventy seven. I'm in 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:27.040 the Red club House and you can't make this stuff up. 0:04:27.279 --> 0:04:29.480 Pete Rose seized me. Come up to me. He says, 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.280 I'm going, Terry. You work for the Empire. Yet I said, 0:04:32.360 --> 0:04:35.080 I'm just an intern, and he said I'm just an intern. 0:04:35.160 --> 0:04:38.880 He says, you worked there full time. Next year after that. 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:42.320 This is unbelievable because May of seventy eight, two years 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:45.040 after I first met him. And now I'm going to 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.200 be proactive. You know, my first week at assist that Inquirer, 0:04:48.760 --> 0:04:51.160 I go up to the sports editor, Jim Montgomery. Pete 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.240 Rose had just come up with this soft ring called 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.720 Pete and as you remember, it was god awful. Let 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:59.600 us another shirt. So after the sports editor, I think 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.560 I story beyond Petere rows in the soft DrAk. He said, sure, 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:04.640 So I go with river Front Stadium. You know what 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:07.760 was heading. So go to river Front Stadium, kop House. 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:11.120 Peter sitting at his locker, phineas back. He looks up 0:05:11.120 --> 0:05:14.800 at me without missing a beat. Lass he says, I'm gone, Cherry, 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:17.279 and said, you work for the Inquirer. Right, I'm like, gosh, 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:19.880 I I know this, and I said yes. He said, well, 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:21.560 you're here to talk to me about my soft drink. 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:25.560 I'm like yes. And now it went from there for 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:28.440 the next decades after that, he's here's my guy. 0:05:28.680 --> 0:05:29.360 You pick up. 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.520 You picked up so many nuggets for this book along 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:35.600 the way that I'm just fascinated by. To the late 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.919 in life, Bob Housem really let you in with background 0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:40.919 on the on the end of the Big Red Machine. 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.560 And even Sperky told you about the sense he had 0:05:43.760 --> 0:05:45.119 for the end of the Big Red Machine. 0:05:45.120 --> 0:05:46.680 After nineteen seventy six. 0:05:47.600 --> 0:05:49.720 He did, he did, And I'm sat with Bob Housem 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:51.880 and this is the past example of how this book 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:53.480 was meant to be. And I'll give you this short 0:05:53.600 --> 0:05:55.599 version of this. The long version, of course, is in 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.760 the book. But Bob Housem and last you probably know 0:05:59.040 --> 0:06:01.279 going up as a Dihard Big Red Machine fan. He 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.040 was the architect of that machine. But he said nothing. 0:06:04.200 --> 0:06:06.840 I mean, he gave nothing of interest to the prey. 0:06:06.880 --> 0:06:08.880 He was a like a banker, you know, he was 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:11.000 a poker face and what have you. So it's near 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:12.880 the end of his life and I was spelling him 0:06:12.880 --> 0:06:15.279 for another matter that had nothing to do with baseball, 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:18.800 and I tracked him down and you know, no one 0:06:18.839 --> 0:06:21.440 had heard from him in years. At this point, He's 0:06:21.480 --> 0:06:24.159 like eighty seven or eighty eight. And at the end 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:26.600 of what I put him for, he was very gracious. 0:06:26.640 --> 0:06:29.040 I just told him about me being this Darhart big 0:06:29.080 --> 0:06:31.080 Red Machine fan, and he kind of remembered me at 0:06:31.080 --> 0:06:34.359 the inquire and he just spilled his guts for the 0:06:34.360 --> 0:06:36.320 next hour. I was like, oh my god, I kept 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:40.040 just tell me this stuff from the real story about 0:06:40.120 --> 0:06:43.120 Tony Perez, about how he said that was the worst 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.640 decision in his life to let twenty Prayers go after 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:48.039 the nineteen seventy sixth season, and how it just ruined 0:06:48.080 --> 0:06:51.240 them for winning more World Series. The real reason behind 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:55.159 why Pete Rose ended up going from Cincinnati as free agent, 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:58.599 at least why they allowed him to go from Cincinnati 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:01.800 to you know, to the Philadelphia Phillies. That went on 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:05.839 and on and on, and then you listened Sparky, Sparky, 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:09.400 and again, I should say this part for some reason, 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.480 and I've buen like this all through my life. People 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.160 have always had a tendency to open up to me 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:17.440 all my life, you know, as a sports genalist, and 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:21.160 Sparky was one of those individuals. And I saw him 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:22.840 with Sparky one day, and this was when he was 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:27.160 with the manager of the Detroit Tigers, and Dick Wagner 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:29.240 had just gotten fired from people who made not know 0:07:29.360 --> 0:07:32.720 Dig Wagner became a jailal manager after Bob Howisen and 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:36.120 basically ruined the franchise. But that's a whole other story. 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:38.920 So Dig Wader gets fired in eighty four, Bob Howison 0:07:38.960 --> 0:07:42.880 takes over, and so now everybody's asking what would have 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:45.120 happened if the Big Red Machine had been kept together 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:49.360 Pete Rose and King Griffy and Tonys. I talked to 0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.000 all these guys and they all said what everybody thought, 0:07:52.120 --> 0:07:54.560 that they would win like two or three more World 0:07:54.560 --> 0:07:56.760 Series besides the back to back once the seventy five 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:00.240 and seventy six. So I brought the Sparky and I'm thinking, Okay, well, 0:08:00.240 --> 0:08:04.320 he's gonna be more the same, and he for me. 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.000 I said, Sparky, how many more World Series would you 0:08:07.000 --> 0:08:10.280 guys hasn't won had you not traded twenty Press after 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:12.400 the seventy sixth season and started to break up du 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:14.360 Old Gang, He said, we would have never won another 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:16.920 World Series. We will never want anything. And I thought 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.400 he was I thought I was kidding, and he said 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:22.840 that that team had gone as far as it could go. 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.840 He said, we were absolutely bored. He says, figure to 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:28.920 my figuring myself. He said, I was more interested. This 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:32.000 is Sparky talking. I was more interested in football than 0:08:32.040 --> 0:08:34.640 I was and trying to win another World championship. And 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:37.200 he went further than that in the book, as you'll see. 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.200 But it's little things like that. 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.360 I'm going to try to squeeze in two quick ones 0:08:41.400 --> 0:08:43.760 before I run out of time. And I laughed when 0:08:44.000 --> 0:08:46.240 you got tips along the way, including one from a 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.880 groundskeeper at Riverfront in nineteen seventy eight who said, hey, 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:51.840 you should do a story on King Griffy. 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.640 Yeah, and I'll give you a short birdion on this 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.600 for time constraints. But when he told me that, I said, 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:01.800 I'm many stories before King Griffrey. I thot, I saw 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.319 abou King Griffrey Senior. So no, no, the sun and 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:08.080 I said, and I said, I mean it was the sun. 0:09:08.040 --> 0:09:10.200 It is like eight years old. He said, oh yeah, 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:12.880 but he's this great not hole League player. And we 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:14.439 know the rest of the story. I ended up doing 0:09:14.480 --> 0:09:16.120 the story. I did the first story ever about King 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:18.920 Griffrey Junior and the rest is history. 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:20.319 Oh fantastic. 0:09:20.400 --> 0:09:23.600 Oh, there are so many stories that just just made 0:09:23.600 --> 0:09:26.680 me smile and think about that team. I know you've 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:28.920 got a book signing coming up around the area. Toe 0:09:29.040 --> 0:09:30.960 listeners how they can get the book, how they can 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:32.720 show up at a book signing as well. 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:36.360 Well the book signing I'm having, because I'll have one 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.240 in Birmingham, Alabama tomorrow, that one at the universaidor Dame 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:41.600 believe it or not, they happen me for book signing. 0:09:41.800 --> 0:09:44.200 But the one in that area that's coming up is 0:09:44.240 --> 0:09:48.040 on October the twenty ninth, and that's at the Lane 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.880 Library in Hamilton, Ohio. And that's going to be at 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:54.240 let me find out at the time. That's going to 0:09:54.240 --> 0:09:57.600 be at from six to seven. But in the meantime, 0:09:58.040 --> 0:10:00.720 and I'm telling you last I've been blessed. The pre 0:10:00.840 --> 0:10:04.360 sales have been incredible. You can get a book signed 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:08.600 by me, Great Christmas President. I'm just saying at my 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:13.200 big redmachine dot com and I will personally autograph for you. 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:15.360 And one fust thing I got to say this, Tom 0:10:15.440 --> 0:10:20.840 mcfoy Hall of Fame baseball writer and covers Big Red Machine. 0:10:21.280 --> 0:10:23.439 He was saying this stuff in this book that he 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.480 didn't know about. Marty Brindleman, who did the foward to 0:10:26.559 --> 0:10:30.040 the book. Marty Bridman said the same thing. He says, 0:10:30.080 --> 0:10:32.079 seventy percent of the stuff that Bob Hogle told me 0:10:32.160 --> 0:10:35.040 has never been said before, and he goes on and on. 0:10:35.800 --> 0:10:38.319 It is a wonderful read. It is so cool to 0:10:38.360 --> 0:10:40.960 catch up with you again. Congratulations on this book and 0:10:41.200 --> 0:10:42.600 best of luck with it. I hope we can talk 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:43.440 again down the road. 0:10:44.800 --> 0:10:46.320 Thank you. And I know he's talking to about critical 0:10:46.400 --> 0:10:49.000 coaches guys afterwards, and tell them I said, hello, I. 0:10:48.960 --> 0:10:50.320 Will do that. Thanks Terrence.