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Speaker 1: They tip off a little bit after twelve o'clock. There

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Speaker 1: is a lot to discuss, starting with our guy Rick

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Speaker 1: Browing Musketeer Report dot com. Nkun and kind enough to

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Speaker 1: be my lead off here this morning.

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Speaker 3: It's always my favorite day of the year.

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Speaker 4: I look forward to this I was talking with Richard

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Speaker 4: Skinner's who's following me up here this morning.

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Speaker 2: I might put you guys together.

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Speaker 3: I would love that we do a show.

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Speaker 4: As you know, we were talking about it yesterday. It's

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Speaker 4: the best time. You get to watch hoops, you get

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Speaker 4: to hang out with great people who usually don't hang

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Speaker 3: So it's a good time and me and you and

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Speaker 3: you're invited.

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Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate you doing this.

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Speaker 3: There's a lot to get to, yes, there is.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna start with last night.

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Speaker 3: What a game.

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Speaker 2: That was a game. It was a great game. It

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Speaker 2: was a fun game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and Miami felt like they were in control the

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Speaker 1: entire way. An extraordinarily efficient offensive performance, a great performance

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Speaker 1: by Ian Elmer and the RedHawks advance, great atmosphere. You

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Speaker 1: had the swim team with their speedos. That was awesome

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Speaker 1: last night.

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Speaker 3: It was awesome.

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Speaker 4: And the fun part about it was you mentioned they

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Speaker 4: were in control the whole time, but they it's not

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Speaker 4: like they weren't challenged. Yeah, I mean SMU kept creeping

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Speaker 4: back up, they tied it up, and then Miami would

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Speaker 3: That was really fun.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned Ian Elmer I don't know if you saw this.

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Speaker 4: John Rothstein last night said that Ian Olmer was this

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Speaker 4: year's Doug eatert the former Saint Pierce. Like now, there

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Speaker 4: are a lot of guys on Miami's team that I

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Speaker 4: Elmer would be the guy.

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Speaker 2: No, curious, I didn't see that.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure if John Rothstein knows who the players

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Speaker 1: Is what I'm getting at great atmosphere. What stood out

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Speaker 1: to me more than anything else, high possession game. They

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Speaker 1: obviously make the sixteen threes, they get more than a

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Speaker 4: So do you buy into the bouncy balls theory like

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Speaker 4: the overinflated balls at the NCAA tournament.

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Speaker 3: Have you seen this online?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Do you think that played any role in the rebounding

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Speaker 4: situation for Miami? They were shooting a lot of threes,

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Speaker 4: you get long rebounds were like people were saying, they

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Speaker 3: Did you think that at all? Will So? Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: with you that seems.

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Speaker 4: Like an insane thing, But I did think that, like,

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Speaker 4: they did an incredible job of tipping out those long

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Speaker 1: Twenty assists, four turnovers, high possession game, the sixteen threes.

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Speaker 1: Do you give them a chance against Tennessee?

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Speaker 4: Like it's a bad matchup for them because Tennessee is

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Speaker 4: this year. They have definitely had their laws throughout the season.

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Speaker 4: They're not that consistent of a team. If you look

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Speaker 3: They're going to be the underdog. But do they have

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Speaker 4: I mean, if you can knock down fourteen to fifteen

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Speaker 1: DJ Edwards not playing and the circumstances around that weird.

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Speaker 4: A huge factor obviously, if one of the opposing team's

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Speaker 4: of year. Miami's missing as much as anyone in the

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Speaker 2: I asked you.

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Speaker 1: This back in mid January when this was starting to snowball,

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Speaker 1: having covered Travis at Xavier, and you know, every Xavier

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Speaker 1: but happy to see that he has taken this opportunity

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Speaker 4: Well, I never could have imagined an undefeated regular season.

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Speaker 4: I mean, that's just something you don't predict for anybody.

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Speaker 4: But when he went to Miami, I think we talked

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Speaker 4: and I said wonderful fit. Like people make the mistake

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Speaker 2: He didn't.

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Speaker 4: He had Xavier competitive every year he was there. They

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Speaker 4: One time, the paular butler at the end of the year,

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Speaker 3: But it never happened for him. He just kept missing.

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Speaker 4: I don't think he ever quite got things in place

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Speaker 4: And he had certain guys already in place on his

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Speaker 4: And so he just never did it quite his way

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Speaker 4: I think, you say, I have nothing to lose now

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Speaker 4: I've already been fired.

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Speaker 3: This is mid major basketball.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna do it exactly how I think is the

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Speaker 4: right way to do it, and it's worked out really

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Speaker 1: I don't know what would his aspiration are in regards

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Speaker 1: but Butler is where he went. I mean, if you

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Speaker 4: I think right now Butler is by far the most

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Speaker 4: interesting opportunity that he would have.

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Speaker 3: It would make a lot of sense.

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Speaker 4: The thing is, I have continuously heard that Ronald Noreed

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Speaker 4: would lean towards him being back in Oxford if it's

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: That being said, Butler does seem like it would make

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Speaker 2: Has he picked a bad year to be really really,

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Speaker 4: I think he has because there just aren't as many

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Speaker 4: much movement in general. But I also we talked about

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Speaker 4: I don't think he's too worried about having to climb

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Speaker 1: All right, I want to talk about the field itself,

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Speaker 1: but let's spend a few minutes on the team. You

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Speaker 1: Richard Patino to be able to keep some of those guys?

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Speaker 1: How's this gonna unfold?

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Speaker 4: I guess it depends on what you consider an exodus.

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Speaker 4: At this point, I would say I only really expect

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Speaker 4: him to prioritize keeping two guys. That would be Gabriel Pisado,

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Speaker 4: We've heard wonderful things about how he looked in those

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Speaker 4: the other guy is Yovann, the six foot ten face

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Speaker 4: he was clearly the most impressive out of the group.

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Speaker 4: I think you prioritize keeping him. I think they're very

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Speaker 4: see is pop Enji, the backup center, who has some

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Speaker 1: Give me a sort of thirty thousand foot assessment. You

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Speaker 1: and I were sitting here a year ago talking about

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Speaker 1: Xavier winning the night before, but all the Sean Miller

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Speaker 1: rumors were starting and starting very rapidly. So it's been

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Speaker 1: a year. Give me a thirty thousand foot assessment of

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Speaker 1: year one under Richard Patino.

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Speaker 4: Well, I think you came into an impossible situation not

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Speaker 4: not just because it was a new head coach in

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Speaker 4: the first year. But last year's transfer portal was entirely

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean if you're going to I mean reports

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Speaker 1: The tournament begins in earnest today. First of all, do

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Speaker 4: I can tell you none of us.

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Speaker 3: Really cared that much about it. And I agree with you.

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Speaker 4: This year, there was nothing don't really be upset about

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Speaker 3: If you have a good year at a lower level,

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Speaker 4: So the talent pool is being pushed towards the top.

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Speaker 1: So that's where I was gonna go next. So filling

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Speaker 1: last few years I have found myself picking a very

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Speaker 3: I couldn't agree more with your assessment there.

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Speaker 4: And talking to Skinny yesterday, I think he ended up

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Speaker 4: very chalky. I go, dude, if you put a five

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Speaker 5: I'm with you.

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Speaker 4: I mean this year, I have two one seeds and

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: Let me start with Saint John's. So they're seated fifth,

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Speaker 1: they win the Big East tournament. It's Rick Patino. They're

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Speaker 2: They lost to.

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Speaker 1: They did just get boat raised by Connecticut a few

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I have a huge objection to

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Speaker 4: as Yukon. When you only have three Big East teams

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Speaker 3: If you're moving.

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Speaker 4: You if you're willing to move, you've gone down to

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Speaker 3: A seed line.

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Speaker 4: Why not keep them out of the region with Yukon.

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Speaker 4: That seems like a sort of Big East lack of

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Speaker 1: I have been in attendance for games where Mick Cronin

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Speaker 4: I am too, because I think Dan Hurley will take

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Speaker 4: Mick Cronin and Darren Savino out behind the arena and

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Speaker 4: spank them. Bear asked before God and all the fans

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Speaker 4: in America. I don't think that'll be close. Really, I

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Speaker 2: So my UCLA to the Elite eight. You're laughing at that.

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Speaker 3: I don't think that's a very good pick. But I

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Speaker 2: Well, it's but it's not a bias thing.

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Speaker 1: It's not because so again it comes back to like

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Speaker 4: Have you done the research on Mick Kronin Against top

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Speaker 4: coaches in the sports, you just have to get pasted, yes,

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Speaker 4: Dan Hurley and Tom Izzo to do what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: Beating Tom is on the tournament before in the weird

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Speaker 3: That is true.

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Speaker 1: Mick versus Dan Hurley, Like the postgame press conferences are

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Speaker 1: Like I said, I've watched Mick and Dan coach against

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Speaker 3: You should get combat pay for that.

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Speaker 2: You should. Yeah, all right, So that's a bad pick,

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Speaker 3: Well, it's it's your pick, it's not mine.

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Speaker 1: Stay in the Big East. Villanova plays Utah State. Utah

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Speaker 3: Upset pick by everybody.

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Speaker 2: It seems like Utah State. Yes, yeah, Jared Calhoun is likely.

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Speaker 4: Actually, Utah State by line is like the slight favorite, right,

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Speaker 4: I think Villanova does win that one, just because everyone

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Speaker 4: I don't think this Villanova team is that good. But

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Speaker 1: Do you give Right Stay the chance out of the

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Speaker 2: I do not do that bias. No.

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Speaker 4: I actually really like this Right State team. I think

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Speaker 3: They're the type of team that's gonna pull an upside.

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Speaker 1: The Right State NKU game in the Horizon League tournament,

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Speaker 4: It was really impressive and there were multi What was

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Speaker 4: In each of those times, three different occasions, the Right

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Speaker 4: Three different times. That happened to kill NKU momentum. That's

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Speaker 3: I was really impressed with this, right stay.

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Speaker 2: And now the tournament's moving to Noblesville, Indiana.

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Speaker 3: Huge, you're excited about.

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Speaker 2: The huge news.

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Speaker 3: Have you seen that facility?

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Speaker 4: No compared to the dump that we were playing in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this place is.

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Speaker 4: I mean literally, you were like one football field away

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Speaker 3: Place is awful and the pig the hog slaughtering thing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is like an actual basketball arena. It seats

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Speaker 3: Yep, it's going to be wonderful.

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Speaker 1: I think I said this to you when you joined

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Speaker 1: me last week that the NKU season felt weird. It

447
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Speaker 1: felt like every time they kind of felt like they

448
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Speaker 1: were about to get something going, they'd lose and then

449
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Speaker 1: they couldn't dig themselves out of a hole for a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks. And so the Right State game to me,

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Speaker 1: felt like a little bit of a microcosm of their

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Speaker 1: season as all.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's fair, And part of what I

454
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Speaker 4: think happened for them this year was they've had a

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Speaker 4: lot of continuity throughout the first several years of this

456
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Speaker 4: nil transfer portal era. Right, this was the first year

457
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Speaker 4: where they had to replace most of the roster, most

458
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Speaker 4: of their core, and so especially with their funky style

459
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Speaker 4: of defense, that matchup zone they like to play, I

460
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Speaker 4: think it took longer for them to settle in and

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Speaker 4: figure out what's working for them with an entirely new group,

462
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Speaker 4: and they actually went away from the matchup zone a

463
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Speaker 4: lot this year. They played more man demand than they

464
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Speaker 4: have at any point during Darren Horne's tenure, and I

465
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Speaker 4: think part of it was because they had so many

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Speaker 4: new guys, was just hard to build up that chemistry.

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Speaker 4: And then, like you said, right when it felt like

468
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Speaker 4: they were maybe building some momentum, LJ. Wells gets hurt,

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Speaker 4: Donna and Rocket Dona Harri gets hurt, cal Robinson gets hurt,

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Speaker 4: and then they have that skid where they lose five

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Speaker 4: games in a row and you're thinking, oh, no, it's

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Speaker 4: just not the year. And then they win four of

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Speaker 4: their last six in the year and it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 4: they've got momentum. They win two games in the tournament again,

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Speaker 4: they get back to the Horizon League semi finals, which

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Speaker 4: is to me, it's like it's kind of like getting

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Speaker 4: to the sweet sixteen in the Ncuby Tournament. You feel

478
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Speaker 4: like you gotta get there if you're a good program,

479
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Speaker 4: you're a competitive program that has a chance, and then

480
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Speaker 4: it's a little bit of a crapshoot, like you just

481
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Speaker 4: hope things fall your way once you get to the semis.

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Speaker 3: It didn't this year, but they got back there.

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Speaker 4: It's going to be very interesting to see how much

484
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Speaker 4: of this year was instructive for them going forward with

485
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Speaker 4: the transfer portal, meaning like, you know, they took an

486
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Speaker 4: naia guys some D two guys. Did they feel like

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Speaker 4: that worked for them or did they feel like if

488
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Speaker 4: they're going to go out and spend an nil in

489
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Speaker 4: the transfer portal, it needs to be D one guys,

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Speaker 4: even if it's a D one guy like the kid

491
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Speaker 4: from Ball State TJ. Birch, who went to Wright State

492
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Speaker 4: hadn't put up any numbers at Ball State, but had

493
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Speaker 4: a really good year in the Horizon League despite that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I'm curious to see where that goes.

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Speaker 1: I know you have to be careful with what you say,

496
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Speaker 1: but is there a movement to scrap that weird tournament format?

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Speaker 3: I don't think so because it worked this year.

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Speaker 4: Right State ended up winning it as the favorite, so

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Speaker 4: I don't think they're going to change it.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I think I saw the schedule for next

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Speaker 3: year in.

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Speaker 4: Noblesville is going to have a play in game on

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Speaker 4: Sunday night again, which, wow, K, you won this.

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Speaker 2: Year, won that game. I'm okay with it right now?

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Speaker 2: Very good? Shall we bring Skinny up? Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Bring Skinny on?

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Speaker 2: Is he here? He's he's sitting right there? Oh, Skinny

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Speaker 2: right in front of USAH.

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Speaker 3: Bring him with right.

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Speaker 1: We're here at the Holy Grail, downtown Cincinnati, directly across

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Speaker 1: the street from Great America Ballpark, a week from opening day.

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Speaker 2: We're here till noon. Games tip off at twelve fifteen.

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Speaker 1: Great plays to post up this weekend enjoining Ice Cold

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Speaker 1: can't beat that, buddy, You can't beat the Grail. Can't

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Speaker 1: beat Rick Rooring. He's here with me at the Grail.

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Speaker 1: We are here till noon. Dan Horde a little bit

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Speaker 1: later on, possibly Leonard Stokes a little bit later on,

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Speaker 1: Shannon Miner is here.

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Speaker 2: We're here. We need you here.

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Speaker 1: This is ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati Sports Station iPhone.

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Speaker 4: Hold ESPN fifteen thirty, and iHeartRadio Station twenty.

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Speaker 1: Six minutes after ten o'clock on the morning Round one

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Speaker 1: of the NCAA Tournament, we're broadcasting from the Holy Grail.

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Speaker 1: Rick Browing is with me and Richard Skinner from Local

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Speaker 1: Twelves here, which means I get my own version of

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Speaker 1: the Skinny podcast.

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Speaker 5: There you go. Look, everybody wants that, no I do.

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Speaker 1: So I thought I'd throw a you ten people and

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Speaker 1: then see if you could rank their quality.

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Speaker 5: You know, it's one of my favorite things.

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Speaker 1: Clayton Fedulum, Joe Orcelonca, Joe Orsilac, Joe Orselac Oilcamboyd Okay

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Speaker 1: boyd leads the pack so full, Barry.

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Speaker 2: Young fellow Paul Potita won right now, Parrett.

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Speaker 5: Paul Potita just had his last weathercast yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I didn't realize until I read a piece this weekend

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Speaker 1: that that guy works twenty four hours.

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Speaker 5: Ago I read the same piece. I knew he did

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Speaker 5: a lot. I didn't realize he like he does weather

545
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Speaker 5: for a bunch of stations. See he owns a weekly newspaper.

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Speaker 5: It was insane, my god.

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Speaker 4: And the best part about him is it in an

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Speaker 4: era where everybody in TV news is complaining about having

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Speaker 4: to work their shifts or whatever their job requires, Paul

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Speaker 4: put just shows up for every shifts fills in for everyone.

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Speaker 4: Never a question I asked, just smiling and happy to

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Speaker 4: be there.

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Speaker 2: Well, best of.

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Speaker 1: Luck to him and his television meteorolge meteorologic L weather

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Speaker 1: Man retirement. Yep, I knew you would be available because

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Speaker 1: the Bengals off season's over, so it was.

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Speaker 5: Over officially, I believe on Marks the eighth. Yeah, the

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Speaker 5: first ad free agency was they kind of trickled out

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Speaker 5: a couple of more days and just said, yeah.

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Speaker 2: We're good.

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Speaker 1: Ten days ago, I'm thinking, man, this is off to

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Speaker 1: a really good start. You do, what are they gonna

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Speaker 1: do at linebacker? We have to cross like Logan Wilson

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Speaker 1: off the.

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Speaker 2: List now I know.

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Speaker 5: I mean all three of them are out there, Logan Wilson,

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Speaker 5: Jermaine Pratt, and King Davis Gaither. Now Logan retires, a

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Speaker 5: King goes to Indy. Are they down in Jermaine Pratt

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Speaker 5: bringing him back?

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Speaker 1: Is he still him to contract with? No, he's free,

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Speaker 1: he's free Preston Wilson. I mean, like, how down the

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Speaker 1: list of were gonna go.

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Speaker 2: If Dick Buttons.

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Speaker 5: Were still alive. I think they go that fontes perfect

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Speaker 5: bring him back out of retirement.

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Speaker 1: But it's coaching with Paul Paul gone throughout at nov Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's gonna be No, it's a joke, it's

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Speaker 1: I just for the like of me.

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Speaker 5: So I did Sportstock with Lance, I think that Monday night,

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Speaker 5: and I said, I think, yes, what great I said

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Speaker 5: a minus.

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Speaker 2: I mean, what a great.

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Speaker 5: Shock, I said, And Leo Shanal still out there, and

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Speaker 5: I would hope they go after him tomorrow and the

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Speaker 5: Commander's got him. And then you look at Kate Nellis

586
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Speaker 5: go off the board, and then you start look at

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Speaker 5: the remaining linebackers left and you go they're either too old,

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Speaker 5: never were or bus Yeah, I mean that's what's left

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Speaker 5: the list. I specifically asked Albo to the combine, do

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Speaker 5: you want to add you think you need to add

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Speaker 5: a veteran linebacker, and he said, yes, I need a

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Speaker 5: guy who's versatile. I need a guy who can play

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Speaker 5: on the line of scrimmage, any guy who can play

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Speaker 5: in coverage. Got none of that. There is such a

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Speaker 5: disconnect and I don't know where it all is. I

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Speaker 5: don't know if it's between the between Troy and Katie

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Speaker 5: and Mike Brown and Duke, between Duke and the coaches,

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Speaker 5: there's a there's a total disconnect for a coach to

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Speaker 5: say that and then the people who are in charge

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Speaker 5: of helping get that player choose not to do that.

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Speaker 5: There's a disconnect.

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Speaker 2: Well, it didn't even feel like with Shanel and Ellis

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Speaker 2: that there was much of an.

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Speaker 5: Ash And the Chanel contract was only eight point two

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Speaker 5: five a year. I didn't rather spend money on that

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Speaker 5: than Jonathan Allen and gone and gotten a second rate

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Speaker 5: interior guy. Yeah, and if you hit the draft with

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Speaker 5: Chris Jenkins and you wouldn't have had to go do

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Speaker 5: this in the first place.

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Speaker 1: Right, So Week one, I'm watching Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knight.

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Speaker 1: We're just gonna try it again with those dudes.

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Speaker 3: What's Odell Thurman up too?

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Speaker 2: That's a good question.

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Speaker 5: Hit one good year?

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Speaker 3: Didn't he think he was electric for about half a season?

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Speaker 1: Tom Tummelty is gonna be brought in, David Pollock, Steve Tovar.

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Speaker 2: There we go.

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Speaker 5: Let's just keep doing it right down on Francis Keo spikes.

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Speaker 3: Lenard Wilson. We'll move it back to linebacker Simmons.

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Speaker 5: That's I just, for the life of me, I don't

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Speaker 5: understand that and then listen, I think Sonny Styles is

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Speaker 5: a great player. Yeah, I think he's gonna be a

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Speaker 5: great pro. I just don't know if I'm dropping another

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Speaker 5: lookie into the Nicks and saying, hey, rookie learned from

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Speaker 5: the two guys who couldn't play last year.

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Speaker 2: Seriously, probably the way around.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Barrett, we're gonna attach herself to the guy who's

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Speaker 1: never played before learned something.

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Speaker 5: I just it's it's absolutely stunning to me. I know

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Speaker 5: they think those guys are gonna make progress. I know

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Speaker 5: they believe in them. I get that, but boy, what

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Speaker 5: a risk you're taking and doing that.

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Speaker 1: It's just remarkable to me. And it will eventually talk

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Speaker 1: basketball said, it's remarkable to me. Everybody asked the same

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Speaker 1: question in the euphoria of Brian Cook and boy A Moffin.

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Speaker 1: But what now at linebacker? And there were some threw

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Speaker 1: them on the air. There were so many options where

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Speaker 1: you're like, that guy will fit. He makes sense. Okay,

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Speaker 1: maybe he wouldn't be my first preference, but I'll take him.

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Speaker 1: And none of them have come here one legged.

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Speaker 5: Bobby Wagner, I mean, who where are we at?

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Speaker 2: We're doing?

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Speaker 5: You know, and they tried. They thought they could squeeze

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Speaker 5: another year out of Logan Wilson last year, and you

645
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Speaker 5: could see almost from training camp on that this was

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Speaker 5: not gonna work. And that's where the whole concept of

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Speaker 5: bringing in a veteran. Now, I want the veteran to

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Speaker 5: be able to play. I don't want him just because

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Speaker 5: he's a veteran. Right. I think they thought Logan still

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Speaker 5: had another year in him and he just didn't. I'll

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Speaker 5: give him that benefit of the doubt for that. And

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Speaker 5: obviously now Logan's retired. But now you're gonna ask a

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Speaker 5: guy who probably can't play at the level he used to,

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Speaker 5: and I'm gonna learn from that guy because that's also

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Speaker 5: coming into a new system too.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 5: I don't get it. I just don't get it. Do

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Speaker 5: you think Santa Clair is gonna be Kentucky. I don't

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Speaker 5: think they're gonna beat Kentucky. I think they're gonna scare

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Speaker 5: the daylights out of Kentucky. Though it's gonna be a

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Speaker 5: fun game.

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Speaker 2: You could tell me the Kentucky loses that game by fifteen.

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Speaker 5: It goes to the lead eight. Yeah, I've I've got

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Speaker 5: I've got the bracket of integrity the one that I

665
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Speaker 5: put in the Tony Pike three sixty yeah pool that

666
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Speaker 5: you can't win a prize in, just because Austin Ellmore

667
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Speaker 5: asked me, and I nicely did it, huh So that

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Speaker 5: I don't have them going in that one, but some

669
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Speaker 5: of the other ones I've done. I'm like, see him

670
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Speaker 5: going to the Elite eight. I don't see them going

671
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Speaker 5: past that. But to your point, I can also see

672
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Speaker 5: them laying egg tonight going yep. That's kind of the

673
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Speaker 5: team I've seen all year.

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Speaker 2: What do you think it? How does it unfold? If

675
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Speaker 2: they do lose to Santa Clair Very Mark Pope.

676
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Speaker 5: I will go to the to the on three message

677
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:52,800
Speaker 5: board and I will read and you can just watch

678
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 5: the blood drip down the screen because I know the

679
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 5: pitchforks will be out.

680
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Speaker 3: I mean, think about this.

681
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,520
Speaker 4: We could be looking at based on like the popular

682
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Speaker 4: upset picks a Louisville and Kentucky early exit. If it

683
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Speaker 4: plays out the way a lot of experts think, right,

684
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 4: could you imagine what that would look like from a

685
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Speaker 4: like might just need to leave the state for a

686
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Speaker 4: little while. We might come up to living live in

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Speaker 4: Ohio with you moo.

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Speaker 2: Correct, We'll take you on there on the west side. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Fine, But with that point, I mean, let's just say

690
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 5: it goes to the second weekend. I know that's not

691
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 5: the standard of Kentucky. I don't even know what the

692
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 5: standard is anymore for some of these rights, I know,

693
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Speaker 5: but if he goes to sweet sixteen in back to

694
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Speaker 5: back years, that's a nice level of because it is

695
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Speaker 5: My opinion is maybe the pitchforks go away. They probably

696
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 5: don't well.

697
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Speaker 1: And it's it's weird that the coach doesn't like do

698
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 1: any availability after the bracket comes out.

699
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: That's not a not a thing that we usually have.

700
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Speaker 5: That's a good that's a good point, right, Yeah, that's good.

701
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 2: Why won't he talk?

702
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:46,760
Speaker 5: Maybe he's just afraid to be on the air?

703
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 3: Is it isn't his whole thing?

704
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 4: The like tradition and I respect the way of doing

705
00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 4: things at Kentucky in the way they've always been done.

706
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 4: And it was like what he was about for him

707
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Speaker 4: to not take part in this tradition that happens across

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Speaker 4: the country at every universe.

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Speaker 3: He was very strange to me.

710
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Speaker 2: You don't have to do every press conference like you don't.

711
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Speaker 2: You don't have to make.

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Speaker 1: Yourself of a steal and r John Calipari would never say,

713
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Speaker 1: but like yeah, uh but but you know, just answer

714
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Speaker 1: some questions about the season, the loss of Florida, It's

715
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Speaker 1: Santa Clara game.

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Speaker 5: If you asked to have him on your show, yeah.

717
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Speaker 2: They get weird about it with us.

718
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Speaker 1: I know you and Mark Stoups didn't have much of

719
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Speaker 1: a relationship, but you know what, we got Calipari multiple times. Yeah,

720
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Speaker 1: and he would have to kind of go by his schedule,

721
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: but multiple times with Mark Pope. The most recent answer

722
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Speaker 1: we got was we'll make it happen, and it didn't.

723
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Speaker 1: And maybe that's on us for not following up. But

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Speaker 1: I mean it's I guess because you're not an affiliate.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait, we are an affiliate. Yeah, we carry the

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Speaker 1: damn games and the coaches show.

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Speaker 2: Yes, uh no.

728
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Speaker 1: Mark Stoobs famously always said no and uh but we

729
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Speaker 1: are going to get the new.

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Speaker 2: Guy on good Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I like the new guy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're excited about him, and we are going to

733
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Speaker 1: get him. We've been told we will get him in

734
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Speaker 1: August time. Yeah, all right, hang tight, and we'll talk

735
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Speaker 1: about the field itself and then I'll throw any more

736
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Speaker 1: names like Barry Young fellow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Mike Pagel, Mike Pagel, Mike Pallyrulo.

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Speaker 5: Mike Pagel was in the same quarterback room as Arc

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Speaker 5: Schleister believed or.

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Speaker 1: Not with the Coles Hope, it's not the same room

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Speaker 1: My own version of the Skinny podcast Richard Skinner Lucking

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Speaker 1: You and Rick Broinger here. It's my favorite podcast. I

752
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Speaker 1: appreciate that I haven't submitted a question in a while.

753
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Speaker 5: I know I'm disappointed with that because there's always my favorites.

754
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 5: He asked me to rank random people, and he's always

755
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Speaker 5: amazed that I know who they are.

756
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Speaker 2: I'm always amazed that he doesn't know who they are.

757
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Speaker 2: That's a good point too.

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Speaker 4: I mean I don't know what to say. They're like

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Speaker 4: mostually from when I was born.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but I you know, I'll throw some basketball names

761
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Speaker 1: in there, and as a hoops savant, I would expect

762
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Speaker 1: you to know who Christian velp Is and Bob Thornton.

763
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sidney Rinty Lee Wilkins.

764
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Speaker 5: Christian Welch played with Detla Shrimpton College.

765
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Washington Germans.

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Speaker 4: There we go.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Yeah, all right, you got a chalky brack. I

768
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Speaker 2: like me and Rick uh pretty much.

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Speaker 5: I mean I've got some first round upsets. But I

770
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 5: mean when you get to the sweet sixteen, I think

771
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Speaker 5: that the only double digit seed I have is Texas

772
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Speaker 5: A and M, because I do think they can beat

773
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Speaker 5: Houston because Houston goes on these crazy, these crazy droughts

774
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Speaker 5: scoring wise, and they they just don't defend like you're

775
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:39,240
Speaker 5: used to Houston defriending. But I still I like Houston.

776
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Speaker 5: I can see to that point. I can also see

777
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Speaker 5: Uston going back to the final four because they've been there,

778
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 5: done that. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Did you have a five seed in the final four?

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Speaker 5: I do, well, Okay, yeah, I do have one five seats.

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Speaker 5: I got Saint John's getting in the final four. Yeah,

782
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Speaker 5: and I I just think they have the size to

783
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Speaker 5: match up with Duke. Duke doesn't doesn't shoot it great.

784
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 5: Neither does Saint John's. Mind you say John's doesn't shoot

785
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Speaker 5: it great, I don't think they can win at all,

786
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Speaker 5: because there is a pretty good stat I think the

787
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 5: last eight national champions have each shot at least thirty

788
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Speaker 5: six point three percent from three point range. Saint John's

789
00:32:07,400 --> 00:32:08,800
Speaker 5: doesn't shoot it great. That doesn't mean they can't get

790
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 5: in the final four. That just means that metric suggests

791
00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 5: they can't win it all. But yeah, then I'm Arizona, Michigan,

792
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Speaker 5: Florida as the other ones.

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Speaker 2: I mean it just it.

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Speaker 5: Feels like it's kind of like last year, like you

795
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 5: can start picking some upsets early, but then you start

796
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Speaker 5: watching the top teams kind of you just can't pick

797
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Speaker 5: against him.

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Speaker 1: As you keep going out, I just start looking for

799
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Speaker 1: the teams that have lottery picks.

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Speaker 5: Right, No, that's right, you know it's still Jimmy's and Jones.

801
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Speaker 5: That's why Rix made this point the last couple of years,

802
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 5: and he's completely writing in my opinion. Listen you still

803
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 5: got to pay for coaches, but stop overpaying. Stop stop

804
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 5: overpaying for the buy buyouts. Exactly pay for the players

805
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 5: because they make a difference. Arizona's got dudes, Michigan's got dudes,

806
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Speaker 5: Iowa States got dudes, Florida's got dudes. You know, Duke

807
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 5: has dude, Saint John's has dudes, Michigan State is dudes,

808
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Speaker 5: Illinois's dudes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I mean, in all seriousness, why do you

810
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Speaker 4: think we continue to see athletic director. I understand agents

811
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Speaker 4: are just going to continue to push for them, but

812
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 4: why at a day and age when you have to

813
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 4: pay your roster and your fan base because they're helping

814
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 4: pay for that, are quicker than ever to want the

815
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Speaker 4: coach pushed out if he doesn't have immediate success. Why

816
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Speaker 4: do they continue to give these huge buyouts that are

817
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Speaker 4: crippling and it eliminates their ability to have a change

818
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Speaker 4: in three or four years?

819
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Speaker 1: A great question, it's uh No, it is do you

820
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Speaker 1: give Ohio State a chance against TCUN I do?

821
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Speaker 5: I've got them advancing to the to the next round

822
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Speaker 5: where they again there you go, then they're the eighth

823
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Speaker 5: se can't I can't make any case that they beat Due.

824
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Speaker 2: No, I like Bruce Thornton.

825
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Speaker 1: I'm happy he gets a chance to play in the

826
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Speaker 1: tournament in an era where nobody sticks around. He sticks

827
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Speaker 1: around long enough to become the schools all time leading scorer.

828
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Speaker 5: And I mean that's that's not gonna happen for him. No, Oh,

829
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Speaker 5: you're gonna have two thousand points scores spread out among

830
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Speaker 5: five schools. Yes, said and done. I do think that

831
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Speaker 5: he can single handedly keep them in a game against Due.

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Speaker 5: They're just not good enough to beat Dupe.

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Speaker 2: Will you give Miami a chance against Tennessee?

834
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Speaker 5: Not really? No, at Tennessee's too long. Kobe Gillespie's great,

835
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Speaker 5: Amen's great. Tennessee's also a team that I could see.

836
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Speaker 5: I could see a Tennessee Kentucky Sweet sixteen where a

837
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Speaker 5: Tennessee gets the lead eight right. I mean, no, I

838
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Speaker 5: just I don't. I'm I'm so happy for them for

839
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Speaker 5: last night because it does shut up whatever narrative there

840
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 5: is out there that they didn't belong. And see SMU

841
00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 5: proved they're a thirteen lost team and they were even

842
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 5: favored by seven and a half, and then they smacked them. No,

843
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 5: Miami control Listen, they shot them living daylights out of

844
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Speaker 5: the ball. But okay, that's you're allowed to do that.

845
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Speaker 5: I mean, the name of game has put it through

846
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Speaker 5: the hoop and no, I thought, and they really did

847
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Speaker 5: kind of control that game throughout, and I think that

848
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Speaker 5: was that was really cool to see it. But I

849
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Speaker 5: don't think they'd.

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Speaker 3: Been Do you know what the spread is for that game?

851
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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 5: I've not seen the Tennessee I haven't.

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00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,959
Speaker 4: I haven't either, But that's actually the more interesting question

854
00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 4: in my opinion. Do you think Miami can cover the

855
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:45,920
Speaker 4: spread here?

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Speaker 5: I'm gonna say eleven and a half.

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Speaker 4: Because Tennessee is I believe the second worst team in

858
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Speaker 4: the tournament against the spread. They're like fourteen and eighteen

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Speaker 4: and one this year.

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Speaker 2: Eleven and a half, Okay is the number.

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Speaker 4: Yep, that's I don't know if Miami can pull the upset.

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00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 4: But do you want to bet on Miami at plus

863
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 4: eleven and a half?

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00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 5: I do for this reason because they do make threes

865
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Speaker 5: and those can always come back for the back door cover.

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Speaker 3: Late.

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Speaker 5: Tennessee goes through some weird walls as well. I mean,

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00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 5: they had Kentucky down double digits twice this year, and

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00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 5: Kentucky got came back to win both games. So they did,

870
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 5: and I've watched them do that in other games. So

871
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 5: they are capable, fully capable of going four minutes without

872
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 5: scoring and allowing you to score. So covering to eleven

873
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 5: and a half, I think they could do that.

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00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: Miami was better than any team in the country except

875
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 1: for Arkansas against the number this year, any team in

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00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: the tournament except for Arkansas against the number this year.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Tennessee, I believe was was second worst at fourteen

878
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 4: eighteen and one against the spread this year. So might

879
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 4: be an interesting a bet side to take there with Miami.

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Speaker 1: But that was the perfect night last night if you

881
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 1: care about Miami sports, because they won. They won convincingly.

882
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: The crowd was awesome. Uh, you were in That was great?

883
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 2: That was great.

884
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: They show Andy Enfield, who I thought for a second

885
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: was like in a protest. I thought for a second

886
00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:00,600
Speaker 1: like he was gonna pull official side to go, hey,

887
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be allowed to do that.

888
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 5: Now it was. That was That was a neat moment.

889
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,799
Speaker 5: And no, I and listen, I know people can say

890
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 5: SMU didn't have one of their best players, and they didn't.

891
00:36:09,560 --> 00:36:12,399
Speaker 5: Miami's been without each arguably second best or best player

892
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 5: in Nevan nepsorrow for a long time. In fact, when

893
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 5: he got hurt, I thought, oh, this cute little ruck

894
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 5: is going to end for them. And they're not even

895
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 5: gonna win the MAC and they're not gonna go to

896
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 5: the nd seed. No, they just kept right on plugging along.

897
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,480
Speaker 1: At one point, the SMU switches to his own and

898
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: it looked like it had never been practicing.

899
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 2: I know, no, you're right.

900
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 4: Well, that's what I was texting with Jed Demuci, who

901
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 4: you had on your show this week. During the game,

902
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:34,080
Speaker 4: and there was a certain point in the second half

903
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,919
Speaker 4: where you could see they had changed defenses so many

904
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 4: times that the players were just pointing fingers going out.

905
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,279
Speaker 3: You're supposed to be not I don't know what we're

906
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 3: in anymore.

907
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know what we're supposed to do against

908
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 4: all this cutting and ball movement that they're using. And

909
00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 4: at that point, it's like they're done. They they're not

910
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 4: going to stop this offense if they're that confused right now.

911
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 1: If if you were to lean into a double digit

912
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 1: seed to win two games, who would it be? I?

913
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 5: I could be talked into Akron winning two games. They

914
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,520
Speaker 5: play a wounded Texas Tech. I think they're really good.

915
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 5: Alabama's without its second best player after you got arrested,

916
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 5: and they don't guard anybody. I do have on my

917
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 5: bracket sheet for full transparency, they do have Alabama winning.

918
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 5: But I could see them running two games them. I

919
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 5: was gonna say VCU, but I don't see VC. You

920
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 5: getting past Allwais them were A and M I got

921
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 5: animal in the Sweet sixteen.

922
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 3: Savior fans are gonna hate to hear me say this.

923
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,640
Speaker 3: I think Texas has a change. I do Texas.

924
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 5: I've got them in my Sweet sixteen year.

925
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,800
Speaker 4: I think they'll beat BYU and then Gonzaga is a

926
00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:34,840
Speaker 4: little banged up right now. Like I, I don't know,

927
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 4: I could I could see Texas winning that game too

928
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:38,280
Speaker 4: and getting to the Sweet sixteen.

929
00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 5: I mean, you give me, you give me that roster.

930
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,160
Speaker 5: I'm not losing as many games as Sean Nolah lost.

931
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 5: I'm sorry. They're good and he's a good coach. I

932
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 5: don't know how they've gone sideways the way they am.

933
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 4: They feel like they're a little underseeded based on their

934
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 4: talent level. And we've seen before where this play in

935
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 4: game team wins the playing game and then gets on

936
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 4: a little.

937
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: Bit of a roll.

938
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 3: They couldn't set that team.

939
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, I like that the Xavier fans going

940
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:02,319
Speaker 1: up there to yell at him.

941
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 4: I was just gonna ask you, what were your guys

942
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 4: takes on that, because they were like, I didn't know

943
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 4: how many Zavier fans would actually do it, but there

944
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 4: are a lot that got escorted out from what.

945
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:12,360
Speaker 1: I So if you're doing things that rise to the

946
00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: level of getting escorted out, that's not good. And if

947
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 1: you're ruining everybody else's good time, that's not good. But hey,

948
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna buy tickets, go watch a couple of games

949
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: and scream at Sean Miller.

950
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 2: Fight with that.

951
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 4: Two things that happened in that game or or kind

952
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 4: of at the end of the game one Ryan Anderson,

953
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 4: their assistant running out onto.

954
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: The foot Sean Miller was gonna murder him.

955
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 3: That's wild.

956
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,800
Speaker 4: Now, Addison Archer for NK, you did that at IU

957
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 4: Indy this year And yeah, he got teed up and

958
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:38,880
Speaker 4: Darren Horn like kind of threw him back onto the

959
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:40,120
Speaker 4: bench like, hey, what are you what are you doing?

960
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:41,040
Speaker 3: It's a crazy situation.

961
00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 5: There was a there was a conference tournament final over

962
00:38:43,160 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 5: the weekend and one of the smaller conferences. A guy

963
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 5: made a shot and there was still like point one

964
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 5: or point two on the clock, and a couple of

965
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 5: kids off the bench.

966
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,719
Speaker 2: Ran Dayton Saint Louis semi final games.

967
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 5: Right, that was the game.

968
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:53,640
Speaker 2: Dyton should have been teed up.

969
00:38:53,640 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 5: It should have been tap, and I'm like, oh my gosh,

970
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 5: the kid's just gonna ruin everybody and give the credit.

971
00:38:57,640 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 5: I think in that case, you understand the kid thought

972
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 5: the game was over. He wasn't running for anything. And

973
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 5: I think the officials show is pretty good discrestion there

974
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 5: because as soon as you did that one, oh you

975
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 5: knuckle ahead, you just are going to cost your team.

976
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,360
Speaker 5: But a staff member to do that, yeah, it was

977
00:39:08,360 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 5: not the tippin.

978
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's tough. That paunts you the rest of

979
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 3: your career.

980
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:16,360
Speaker 1: I so old school UC fans remember against Tulane nineteen

981
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 1: ninety seven, Danny Fordson catches us a pass home run pass,

982
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: takes about nine steps, lays it in Cincinnati, goes on

983
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: top by two with like zero point six seconds to go.

984
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 1: The bench he erupts, tackled Danny Fortson and they call

985
00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: a technical foul. Gerald honeycut of Tulane goes to the

986
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: free throw line, breaks both free throws. He was a

987
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: good player. He was a very good player. He's a

988
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: very good player. Misses both free throws. Crisis averted. But

989
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 1: the crowd that night at the shoe I thought was

990
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,920
Speaker 1: going to charge the floor to murder those.

991
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: Officials I had.

992
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,359
Speaker 3: Now that's interesting. I had never seen that.

993
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, that I could recall before I saw it in

994
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,920
Speaker 4: an MKU game this year, and now I've seen it

995
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:56,399
Speaker 4: three times.

996
00:39:56,640 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and in that case twenty nine years ago, it

997
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: wasn't one or two guys.

998
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:01,239
Speaker 2: It's the whole.

999
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 5: Maybe, maybe what coaches need to do is, like the

1000
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 5: NFL coaches are doing, or trying to do, show the

1001
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:08,720
Speaker 5: film of the guy dropping the ball before he crosses

1002
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 5: the goal line, so your guys don't do the same thing, right,

1003
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 5: Show show them the bench where the guy got tea,

1004
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 5: and go wait till you hear the horn sound. Then

1005
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 5: we can all go have fun.

1006
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:18,759
Speaker 4: Then the other thing that happened is after the game

1007
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,799
Speaker 4: Sean comes over, there's some Texas fans, but also some

1008
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 4: Xavier fans are like yelling his name and stuff. After

1009
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 4: he gets the big win. He comes over and drops

1010
00:40:26,600 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 4: a Horns down with Xavier fans.

1011
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:29,440
Speaker 3: They're asking him do it.

1012
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, Sean Horn's down and he does that on video?

1013
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 4: What world are we living? This is so strange to me.

1014
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,280
Speaker 4: I don't know what to think of the whole Sean

1015
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 4: Miller Xavier fan experience right now.

1016
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: I like it.

1017
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I like the fact I know Xavier fans

1018
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,240
Speaker 1: who went to that game but tickets.

1019
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 5: I literally had a friend of mine who's in this

1020
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 5: room right now that you work.

1021
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 2: With through text to me.

1022
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 5: Where the fact Ann I think I'm gonna go to

1023
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 5: Daton on tuesdaynight just to yell at Sean Miller.

1024
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:56,240
Speaker 1: The same person he didn't do it, the same person

1025
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: that we're talking about texting me as Texas is kind

1026
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 1: of unraveling at the end of regulation and goes is

1027
00:41:01,560 --> 00:41:02,040
Speaker 1: that Wes.

1028
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:02,799
Speaker 2: Miller or Sean Miller?

1029
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 5: Oh brother?

1030
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 2: Which I thought was a little unfair. Yeah, that's thought

1031
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: a little Miller fair. But you enjoyed covering the U

1032
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 2: SEE coaching search.

1033
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 5: Wow. Yeah, it will end as soon as Utah State

1034
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 5: loses the Villa Nova.

1035
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: I feel bad for our friend Chad Brendle because there's

1036
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,120
Speaker 1: no you know, typically as you know coaching searches they

1037
00:41:24,200 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: help too.

1038
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 3: Well.

1039
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's tough when you don't have any candidates

1040
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 4: to talk about other than one guy, and everybody knows

1041
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:30,799
Speaker 4: who it.

1042
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 5: Is because the other guy got taken off the board

1043
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 5: on Friday when they extenuative Josh Shirt. I mean feels

1044
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 5: like it felt like the Saint Louis administration knew that

1045
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 5: that news was coming down and said, let's get our

1046
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 5: guy buttoned up. A west Miller gets canned. I mean,

1047
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 5: but timing of it was really interesting.

1048
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 4: But I don't think that's on them as much as

1049
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 4: it's his decision. Right if he wants to be interested

1050
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,719
Speaker 4: in any of these jobs, he just tells them to wait.

1051
00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 4: I'm not signing that yet. It's gonna be on the

1052
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 4: table in two weeks too. The interesting part to me

1053
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 4: is that Josh Shirt said, I'm not interested in any

1054
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 4: of these jobs.

1055
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,319
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say at Saint Louis and wait another year

1056
00:41:58,360 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 3: or two. All good for him, yeah, I guess.

1057
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,479
Speaker 2: And I hope he covers two and a half points

1058
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: to day.

1059
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, care about.

1060
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 2: Gentlemen, Thanks very much, thank you for having me. Thanks

1061
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: name for me. I mean, I did ten I jotted

1062
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:11,799
Speaker 2: down Dickie Thon.

1063
00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,920
Speaker 5: Dickie Thon got hit in the head with a pitch

1064
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:15,040
Speaker 5: hit him.

1065
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: Yeah was what.

1066
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 5: I didn't know that one, but yeah, alright.

1067
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 2: The Cecilio Guante.

1068
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 5: Cecilio Guante, he was a Pittsburgh pirate.

1069
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: I believe Raoul, Yes, Raoul was a kicker for.

1070
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,319
Speaker 5: The Indianapolis Slash Baltimore Colts.

1071
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 2: I believe. I prefer your giants as well, and giants I.

1072
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 4: Prefer you throw eighties TV heart throbs that I then

1073
00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 4: have to research and look at very young fellow.

1074
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:38,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that sounded like a man to me.

1075
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 1: No, well, the next time I submit questions for the

1076
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:46,279
Speaker 1: pod next week, I'll do I'll do ten what you

1077
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: want like childhood crushes of mine.

1078
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:50,080
Speaker 3: From tv' that'd be great that I guys. I like

1079
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 3: to google him as he's I.

1080
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: Gave you guys, Justine Bateman once, I gave you guys,

1081
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: Nancy McKeon once.

1082
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 3: First time I had seen either of them.

1083
00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 2: Markey Post first time in the day.

1084
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,400
Speaker 1: Markey Post was a number one. You describe Marque Post

1085
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 1: very very well, and it was. It was right after

1086
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: her death, so I felt like it was a proper

1087
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 1: tribus catch. This Guinea podcast. What a eulogy you talked about?

1088
00:43:11,680 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: How how well she filled out leather pants?

1089
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 5: Yes she did, Yes she did?

1090
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 3: Which how we really all want to be?

1091
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,760
Speaker 2: Read the Jim Bowden of eighties television.

1092
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:23,640
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1095
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