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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty, Cincinnati's sports station. Hi, Hello, welcome in

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Speaker 1: our number three already on the Moegar Show here on

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Speaker 1: ESPN fifteen thirty. My name is Austin Elmore. I am

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Speaker 1: not Moegar. Mo will be back on Thursday. He will

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Speaker 1: be emanating from Indianapolis. It'll be me here on Wednesday

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Speaker 1: as well. Chickster the Chick Ludwig Show tomorrow from three

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Speaker 1: to six. You're on ESPN fifteen thirty. And uh, we've

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Speaker 1: talked a lot about the Reds and we're gonna keep

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Speaker 1: talking a lot about the Reds. Because the Reds won

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Speaker 1: their season opening series over the Boston Red Sox at

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Speaker 1: Great American Ballpark this weekend. They welcome in the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 1: Pirates tonight at GABP. Let's go down to GABP and

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Speaker 1: talk to Pat Brennan, covering the Reds for the Cincinnati

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Speaker 1: Inquirer and Cincinnati dot Com. Pat joins us. Now, Hi, Pat,

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Speaker 1: how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing great, buddy, Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: On, Thanks for joining me. Now. You know, baseball players,

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Speaker 1: they're creatures of habit. They love their routine. Does Pat

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Speaker 1: Brennan have any type of routine? He likes to establish

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Speaker 2: Goodness, such a good question, you know. Oh boy, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: make sure I don't let this take up like two

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Speaker 2: in out of spring training, I was getting up at

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Speaker 2: that was some real high performance stuff. And I gotta

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Speaker 2: tell you I felt sharper going to you know, showing

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Speaker 2: up to the Red Clubhouse every morning. Uh huh. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's just a killing way to start your day. You

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Speaker 2: But so that was cool. I'd like to keep that going,

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Speaker 2: is how I'll answer your question. I would like to

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Speaker 2: I fell off the horse coming back from spring training.

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Speaker 1: Makes a lot of sense. There's one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I don't want to fall in

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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty six Reds have been designed differently and

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Speaker 2: better than the twenty twenty five Reds, and we saw

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Speaker 2: were a very average team in one run games last year.

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Speaker 2: Well they've won two of those already. They were three

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Speaker 2: And you know, I'll go back to Saturday's game where

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Speaker 1: It's been only three games, obviously, but South Stewart has

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Speaker 2: And now there's a case study in the Red Sox

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Speaker 2: the Reds are they have really shown discipline. Terry talked

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Speaker 2: about in that game. Actually, going back to Saturday, Jose

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Speaker 2: Travino was in a spot we cut two spots and

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Speaker 2: nature of that game and it was so tight. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: when things go their way, they are going to have

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Speaker 2: I just got I got a sense throughout spring that

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Speaker 2: the Reds really looked like they had a really sharp

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Speaker 2: something they can use their advantage.

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Speaker 1: Great stuff. Pat really appreciate it. Before I let you

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Speaker 1: go tell people where they can find your coverage of

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Speaker 1: the Red Lakes.

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Speaker 2: Yourself to it. Just kidding. I want Cincinnati dot com

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Speaker 2: as whe all the stories go. And uh, I like

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Speaker 2: the sweet on on X at pe Brendan e n Q.

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Speaker 2: I am still trying to migrate over to Blue Sky

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Speaker 2: and have a presence there. I just it's too one platform,

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Speaker 2: is too much I to do. So I'm not I'm

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Speaker 2: not consistent on Blue Sky yet, but it's all at

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Speaker 2: the Brendan the Yang too awesome.

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Speaker 1: You're interesting, great stuff, Pat, Thanks buddy, We'll talk again

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Speaker 1: soon down the line. Appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thanks, guys, appreciate it.

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