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Speaker 1: a Wednesday edition of the Bumper to Bumper program on

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Speaker 1: an exceedingly balmy weekday afternoon here in the twin cities

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Speaker 2: He produces the show. My name is Dan Barrero. We

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Speaker 3: Yes, distance tonight, Distance tonight, Distance for a while.

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Speaker 2: And more Wolves action on the fan tonight, last game

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Speaker 1: That's it because the Blazer there's no hockey, no while

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Speaker 3: Saturday night against Washington there. Yes, they have kind of

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Speaker 2: That is six four six eighty six.

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Speaker 1: We'll get to some sobering although perhaps not particularly surprising

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Speaker 1: news about your favorite football team, the Minnesota Vice, even

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Speaker 1: before Kevin Seaffer joins at three point thirty. But it's

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Speaker 1: fair to say that if you are a billionaire, a

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Speaker 1: your empire, your wealth someplace else, and your bored sad

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Speaker 1: to say you are too accustomed to having you know,

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Speaker 1: where do billionaires put.

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Speaker 2: All of their money? Do you know?

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out how that works when you

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Speaker 1: when you they've got some that's liquid. Probably probably not

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Speaker 1: just checking the country. It's a lot of brokers account

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Speaker 1: to match. But trust you know the business that you

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Speaker 2: Kind of like the notoriety that goes along with it.

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Speaker 2: So you know what I want to do.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to look into buying a professional sports franchise.

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Speaker 1: Now we all know that the prices are going through

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Speaker 1: It's for the thrill of it, all, right, it's for

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Speaker 1: on it. Everybody's got a you know, billionaires too have

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Speaker 2: The question is why, through all of these.

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Speaker 1: and then it's going to come at the end. Why

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Speaker 1: No, it was highering a six hundred million, oh six

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Speaker 1: Now that's where I need the mathematicians to help me.

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Speaker 1: seven billion? Because you could see the issue. The Vikings

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Speaker 1: but they should still double check this. So forty four

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Speaker 2: No, that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, so I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That's why I said he'll get it to us. Rash Brad.

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Speaker 3: Six hundred to six billion should be pretty easy. It's

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Speaker 2: it's ten times as much. So what would that be?

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Speaker 1: So forty four million, one point seven billions? How many times?

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Speaker 1: Forty four million times?

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Speaker 1: He's very lucky to have been born in this area,

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Speaker 1: It was a nearby rink without a drowning hazard to

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Speaker 2: What ten more days of this? That's milk it. Y's

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Speaker 1: That's I hate to say it, but get the families

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Speaker 1: Sweden is in a dotty brook with Italy in men's hockey.

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Speaker 1: We got Seafort next. Guardie. You're a great Olympic mind,

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Speaker 1: there's no question about that. How where are you of

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Speaker 1: the vaunted home ice advantage for the Italian national Olympic team.

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Speaker 2: I imagine it's pretty big.

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Speaker 1: It's I mean, Sweden has been played to a standstill here,

447
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Speaker 1: even though here's shots on goal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sweden thirty nine, Italy eleven. It isn't gust Buss.

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Speaker 2: Isn't that Gustifson for them? For Sweden? It could be.

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Speaker 1: Don't check that. I'm pretty sure it is that. I

451
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Speaker 1: thought I saw a tweet from somebody that one of

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Speaker 1: the goals was kind of soft. Oh boy, thirty nine

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Speaker 1: to eleven shots on goal and it's.

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Speaker 2: Too too late in period two. Yeah, look at all

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Speaker 2: that yellow in there.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just saying, but maybe maybe we're underestimating the

457
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Speaker 1: house of pain that this is for any visiting team

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Speaker 1: when the Italian hockey team is hosting.

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Speaker 3: Who's to say we saw it in Lake Placid for us?

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Speaker 2: Right? We did, didn't We?

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Speaker 3: We saw it and we've seen it over and over again,

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Speaker 3: including in the late documentary.

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Speaker 2: Kevin Seffert is in the house.

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Speaker 1: You got questions for him on hockey, questions for him

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Speaker 1: on football.

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Speaker 2: Whatever. It might be. Six four, six, eight six, that

467
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Speaker 2: is just scored. They did go ahead, yep.

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Speaker 1: Bratch on Brian Kafan text level, so they do now

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Speaker 1: have a three to two lead. Welcome back, thank you,

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Speaker 1: I saw. I think this broke a couple of days ago.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it was even earlier. We are tied, we being

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Speaker 1: the Vikings are tied when it comes to Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: odds we enter the two thousand. Well, I guess a

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Speaker 1: lot could change from now and then, but right now

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Speaker 1: we are tied at nineteenth for nineteenth best odds to

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Speaker 1: make it to.

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Speaker 2: The Super Bowls? That sounds Do you make a poster

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Speaker 2: of that? It's a commemorat of print? Yeah? Does that

479
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Speaker 2: sound about right? I mean that's pretty negative.

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Speaker 4: I mean to be just about out our way too early.

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Speaker 4: Power rankings at ESPN and I think they were around

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty two somewhere around there. So it all, it

483
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,360
Speaker 4: all comes together, and uh, you know, two years ago

484
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Speaker 4: nobody thought they would do anything. I think they're over

485
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Speaker 4: under for wins was like six and a half and

486
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Speaker 4: they end up with fourteen. So yeah, this is the

487
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Speaker 4: this is the fuel that will will push their off

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Speaker 4: season to new heights.

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Speaker 2: I've got a lot to a discuss. What's the last story?

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Speaker 2: Was the last story you wrote?

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Speaker 1: The one I quoted where you said, when it comes

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Speaker 1: to the quarterback position, all bets are off.

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Speaker 4: I did write that. Yeah, that was last at the

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Speaker 4: end of last week. So you know, people like you

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Speaker 4: always like to try to put read into what I

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Speaker 4: what I put out there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's interesting like that.

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Speaker 4: That phrase actually had a lot of people interpreting in

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Speaker 4: different ways, And I would never have intended that.

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Speaker 2: You love you're you're one of those sneaky shots.

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Speaker 1: Shots you do, you fly under the rain, but you

502
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Speaker 1: still you still penetrate.

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Speaker 4: You have to craft a sentence so that when whatever

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Speaker 4: happens happens, you can then go back and say, well

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Speaker 4: I kind of hinted that shit, that's true.

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Speaker 2: Now that the point of that was to say that.

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Speaker 4: The circumstances we thought we were in a month ago

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Speaker 4: as it relates to the quarterback and anything as it

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Speaker 4: relates to the vikings have changed, you know, substantively with

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Speaker 4: the firing of Quacy del Famensa, And so the general

511
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 4: manager who drafted JJ McCarthy is now no longer with

512
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Speaker 4: the team, and the coach who signed off on drafting

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Speaker 4: JJ McCarthy is I think, under considerably more scrutiny now

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Speaker 4: because he's the other of the two stakeholders in that decision,

515
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Speaker 4: And so it doesn't mean that they will not end

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Speaker 4: up in more or less the same spot that we thought.

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Speaker 4: But I think we have to give more consideration and

518
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Speaker 4: less bracketing to what we thought was going to happen,

519
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Speaker 4: which was that they would sign somebody to go along

520
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Speaker 4: with JJ and be a hedge to him either being

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Speaker 4: hurt again or being unable to make the necessary improvements.

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Speaker 4: And so I think, at least at this very moment,

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Speaker 4: two weeks before the combine, we have to consider all

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Speaker 4: possibilities as being realistic, from the one end of saying

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Speaker 4: this is going out and getting the absolute best starter

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Speaker 4: they can possibly find, starting with the Joe Burrows of

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Speaker 4: the world, to the other end of the spectrum of

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Speaker 4: just you know, fire sailing the roster and just going

529
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Speaker 4: young and saying to.

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Speaker 2: JJ or bust.

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Speaker 4: And so I think we would have ruled out probably

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Speaker 4: that latter scenario had Quasi remained, And who knows what

533
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Speaker 4: the where it's going to lead. But that's really what

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Speaker 4: I meant by all bets are off, is that it's

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Speaker 4: really hard to handicap when there's new people involved in

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Speaker 4: the decision.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's how I interpreted it.

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Speaker 1: And my guess is, when it's convenient, you'll say that's

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Speaker 1: exactly how I meant it. When it's not, when it's inconvenient,

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Speaker 1: you'll say I had nothing to do with what I

541
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Speaker 1: was saying, interpreting it wrong. I took it to mean

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Speaker 1: all bets are off means the following. Whatever loyalty that

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Speaker 1: KOs previously might have felt for JJ McCarthy as sticking

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Speaker 1: with the plan is gone. That doesn't mean he can't

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Speaker 1: still be the guy, but it means there's every much

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Speaker 1: as much, every bit as much of a chance that

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Speaker 1: it's going to be somebody else at the at the beginning,

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Speaker 1: competing and then taking the job.

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Speaker 2: That's how I interpreted all bets are off.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't think there's too much daylight between

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Speaker 4: what I said and you said.

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Speaker 2: I think that probably puts it on a finer point.

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Speaker 4: And really it just it just means, yeah, like they

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Speaker 4: I don't think we should rule out much at this

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Speaker 4: very moment in time.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's uh, let's do stream of consciousness. Here

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Speaker 1: I have in front of me. Do you remember you've

558
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Speaker 1: been around here a while? Are you familiar with tiny

559
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Speaker 1: Joe Nelson. Yeah, you used to work at the fan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. These days he's bringing me the news and bring

561
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Speaker 2: me the sports guy. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: He's compiled a list of ten quarterbacks, Okay, for conversation's sake,

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Speaker 1: in the mix.

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Speaker 2: So I don't on any of these. I want to

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Speaker 2: go through all ten with you.

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Speaker 1: I mean, some of them are obvious, but well, we

567
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 1: can have some fun with this and you don't have to,

568
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,800
Speaker 1: like go I guess in depth on any of them.

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Speaker 1: He ranks them as well. I don't know if he

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Speaker 1: meant to rank them because some of these rankings. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I guess maybe he did. I'm not sure or no,

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Speaker 1: they're not. So Number one is JJ McCarthy. So give

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Speaker 1: me your best JJ McCarthy's speech as it stands right

574
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Speaker 1: now about what's going to be the key to indicate

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Speaker 1: to you that they, yeah, that even if it's gotten shakier,

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Speaker 1: this can still be the guy for this team.

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Speaker 4: I mean, if some of it's going to be for

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Speaker 4: me gauging how they're talking about him, because we were

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Speaker 4: now about a month or so after the season, and

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Speaker 4: this would be the time when he would go deep

581
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Speaker 4: into the lab and start working on all the fundamentals

582
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 4: and the and the other issues.

583
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Speaker 2: That we talked a lot about during the season.

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Speaker 4: This is the perfect time to do that, whether he's

585
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Speaker 4: going in and doing the full Josh Allen and revamping

586
00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 4: his entire throwing motion, or revamping all of his lower body,

587
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 4: or or like doing something pretty radical to get to

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00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 4: put him make himself essentially a different body and a

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Speaker 4: different thrower. By the time OTA start like that, this

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Speaker 4: would be the time he's been pretty underground, at least

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Speaker 4: from a public standpoint.

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Speaker 2: So maybe that is what he's doing.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, And so that that's I'll start by saying, like,

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Speaker 4: I'll take cues from how they're talking about him. And

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00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 4: you know, last month they were talking about him in

596
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Speaker 4: pretty neutral terms, I think more so than before to

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00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 4: say as far as his short term future, yeah for sure,

598
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 4: for sure, like there was no this guy's quarterback or anything.

599
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 4: And so it's just fair like I you know, we

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Speaker 4: would have ripped him for saying that, probably based on

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Speaker 4: what we saw last year. And so I that that's

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Speaker 4: where I'll start, is is gauging how they are talking about.

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Speaker 1: Is it is it fair to say he should perhaps

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Speaker 1: And I'm not saying this is the key to whether

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00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: he can move forward and become the franchise quarterback, but that.

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Speaker 2: He might be. It might he might be better.

607
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: Advised to not be apparently as consumed as he is

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00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 1: about whatever his Insta profile is.

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00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 2: Guards he's telling me that seems to change like every fifteen. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: On the list of things that I'm worried about with JJ,

611
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 4: his frequent changing of his non profile photo even though

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00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 4: people of our age have one, and it stays until.

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Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not even on Insta. I don't even

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Speaker 1: know what instinate is. Oh, okay, Bill Belichick. No, I honestly, well,

615
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: I guess I do.

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00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 4: No it is, but I've but it's the same thing

617
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Speaker 4: as for Twitter, excell there's not you have a picture

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Speaker 4: and it's your profile picture.

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Speaker 2: And his changes a lot, and I have noted you know,

620
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: he's a deep thinker. It depends on the day.

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Speaker 4: I would say, on the list of concerns about him,

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00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 4: like that wouldn't be on it.

623
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Speaker 1: That's higher for me than you guess priorities that don't

624
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Speaker 1: worry about it.

625
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,800
Speaker 2: The guy is like and on the band, she's always

626
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: telling you.

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00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:06,560
Speaker 1: It's just don't be in form like you want to

628
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,680
Speaker 1: be the quarterback be the quarterback, just make the plays.

629
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Speaker 2: I would say that.

630
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 4: That could be true, and he could change his Instagram

631
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Speaker 4: profile photo every day.

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Speaker 1: All right, Number two, Joe Burrow utter pipe dream, You're

633
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Speaker 1: not even worth talking about. I mean that much detail

634
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: because we all know they would be interested.

635
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Speaker 4: But yeah, the only way he was going to be

636
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 4: available anyways if he drew the line and said to

637
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 4: the Bengals like, I will not be in your building

638
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 4: ever again, so you can do as you like, you know.

639
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Speaker 2: And he has not said that that we're aware of.

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00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 4: No, he was at the Pro Bowl and there was

641
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:39,360
Speaker 4: no or the Pro Bowl games as we call him now,

642
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 4: and there was no indication that he's trying to push

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00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 4: himself out. If it were happening behind the scenes and

644
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 4: hadn't gotten out yet, that wouldn't be the first time.

645
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,720
Speaker 4: But we don't know anything to suggest that he himself

646
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 4: is trying to get out, let alone that the Bengals

647
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Speaker 4: would be willing.

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Speaker 1: To Are these sentences kind of juicy or are they reckless?

649
00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: Trading for Burrow seems unrealistic right now, But what if

650
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,280
Speaker 1: he requests a trade. What if the Vikings are the

651
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,920
Speaker 1: team rumored to be pushing the league to increase tradeable

652
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Speaker 1: draft picks from three years in the future to five

653
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,920
Speaker 1: and they're doing that to up the ante in an

654
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: offer for Burrow.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know that if it was just the

656
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Speaker 4: Vikings doing that, that the league wouldn't even be considering it.

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00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:25,240
Speaker 2: Schefter has reported, you know, reported today.

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Speaker 4: I think that he expects a lot more trades in

659
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Speaker 4: general this offseason because the free agent class is not great,

660
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,240
Speaker 4: and the draft class at some positions is not great,

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Speaker 4: and teams that are trying to improve their rosters, like

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00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 4: that's the only other options free agency, draft or trade,

663
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Speaker 4: And so he thinks that there might like there's already

664
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,359
Speaker 4: a feeling that there's going to be a lot more

665
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 4: interest in the trade market, and you know, I'd be

666
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 4: curious to see how that would really work, because you know,

667
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 4: when you get beyond a few years, uh, you know,

668
00:34:57,560 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 4: the current three years in terms of like what's the

669
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 4: value of a draft of a first round pick in

670
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 4: five years like that. I mean, it's not that you

671
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 4: can't figure it out, but I don't know exactly what

672
00:35:07,160 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 4: that is and how much more that adds to a package.

673
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:12,320
Speaker 4: You guys in the NBA love to do that and

674
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:16,959
Speaker 4: trade the first round pick in twenty seventy two pretty much,

675
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 4: but that has not yet, so they would have to

676
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 4: be a lot figured out in terms of what the

677
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 4: value of those future picks are. But there is a

678
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 4: sense that, you know, whether it's gonna they would allow

679
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 4: for that or not, that there's going to be more

680
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 4: trades this offseason as a result of the value of.

681
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 2: The class and the free agent class and the draft class.

682
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson, it.

683
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 4: Does not sound like everything about the new coach in

684
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,759
Speaker 4: Baltimore sounds like he wants him to be there.

685
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: But they do.

686
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 4: They are working on and they're working on they and

687
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,319
Speaker 4: they have to do it like that's and those that

688
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 4: deal has been tough for the Ravens before because in

689
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 4: part because Lamar Jackson doesn't have an agent, in part

690
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 4: because it's just a tough you know, when you get

691
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 4: to the numbers that the best quarterbacks in the league

692
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 4: are at, that's a very tough negotiation. So if I

693
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 4: guess if talks were to break down, but it certainly

694
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 4: doesn't seem like there's any indication that the Ravens are

695
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 4: eager to move on from him. Tyler Murray, that's the

696
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 4: name that like seems the most realistic in terms of

697
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 4: who's going to be available, and you know, if the

698
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 4: nexus of availability and talent would seem to be the most.

699
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: High point they do you buy the notion that a

700
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: Day three pick could be enough to get them?

701
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 4: I guess if you if you're paying all the contract

702
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,279
Speaker 4: and all that, and so pardon me on the Kyler

703
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:31,440
Speaker 4: Murray thing, is I guess I don't know you know

704
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 4: which way to look at it yet, But if you

705
00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:36,279
Speaker 4: look at Arizona Cardinals over the past decade, and I

706
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 4: wish I had looked at the exact one, but they've

707
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 4: got to be in the top five of the worst

708
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,560
Speaker 4: winning percentage in the league. And if and if, if

709
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 4: you if you're on the Arizona if your quarterback on

710
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 4: the Arizona Cardinals roster and they don't want you to

711
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:54,160
Speaker 4: play quarterback for them? Uh, and there's really like the

712
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:55,840
Speaker 4: the option would be Jacoby.

713
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 2: Prissett or a long time journeyman.

714
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 4: And then you have to question, like why, and is

715
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 4: it because the Cardinals are such a messed up organization

716
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:06,879
Speaker 4: that they don't recognize that they have a really good

717
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 4: guy there and can't make it work, or are there

718
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 4: some you know, structural issues there with him that like

719
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:15,439
Speaker 4: would bring the value down.

720
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: Some of the Kyler Obos say, well, look, he's only

721
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: twenty eight. Yeah, and he really you know, has not

722
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: been healthy for much of the like four of the

723
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 1: last five years. But I would say then that's also

724
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: a bit of an indictment because you already got in

725
00:37:33,880 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 1: JJ a guy who's having difficulties saying healthy. So what's

726
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: to say that Kyler Murray, several years into his career,

727
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: is going to be able to break that tradition of

728
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: getting hurt almost every every season.

729
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and he and sometimes it's because of the way

730
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 4: he play them. He runs a lot and he's out

731
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 4: of the pocket, and he's pretty good about not taking

732
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 4: direct hits, you know, just I just have watched him

733
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 4: over the years, and there's some guys who get who

734
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,279
Speaker 4: run a lot and just get a lot of direct hits,

735
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 4: and he's pretty good not having that happen. But he

736
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,239
Speaker 4: just he's still, you know, has has suffered a lot

737
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 4: of the injury. So I agree, like that's you know,

738
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 4: but if you're if you if you're able to get him,

739
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 4: uh for very little draft value, and and I mean,

740
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 4: but then if you're taking on that full contract.

741
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 2: That's that's not nothing.

742
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 4: And so that would seem to me like there'd have

743
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 4: to be a certain level of conviction and not just

744
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 4: a flyer. If he gets cut, you know, if they

745
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 4: end up not being able to get anything for him,

746
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 4: then that is an entirely different discussion. But like you'd

747
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 4: have to have some conviction that he is you want

748
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 4: him to be your quarterback for this year. Mac Jones. Well, schefters,

749
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 4: you know, reporting that they're not going to trade him,

750
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 4: but that's also you know, part of the game. Yeah,

751
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,239
Speaker 4: and I think and he and acknowledge that, but I

752
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:50,480
Speaker 4: don't feel like that's like, you know, every one of

753
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 4: these guys is going to be somebody who who like,

754
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 4: there's just as many reasons to talk yourself out of

755
00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 4: it as into it.

756
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:58,799
Speaker 2: And so that's just the nature. And that's and.

757
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,279
Speaker 4: That's why the Viking work so hard to try to

758
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 4: draft their own guys so they wouldn't have to like

759
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:09,680
Speaker 4: continue this generation after generation sifting through the available guys

760
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 4: and trying to talk Dan Mano out of retirement and

761
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 4: bringing Warren moon in at age fifty seven or whatever

762
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:17,719
Speaker 4: he was, and or Brett fav at age forty two,

763
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 4: or Aaron Rodgers who wants to come here at age forty,

764
00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 4: Like yeah, like that's that's the whole thing that they

765
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 4: were trying to stop. And so such, there's such a

766
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 4: part of me that even though I saw everything that

767
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 4: we saw with JJ is like whatever, the risks of

768
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 4: him are, Like, it feels like a lot of those

769
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 4: other guys are going to carry.

770
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 2: At least as much Aaron Rodgers.

771
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 4: I mean, there's still some people in the building I

772
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 4: think who are fans.

773
00:39:42,440 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 2: Didn't the running But didn't Aaron Jones just say something

774
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 2: about him? Did he? Yeah? Well he had some podcast

775
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 2: he was at the Super Bowl and did so what

776
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 2: it was?

777
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? And then did did I miss it? Did Justin

778
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: Jefferson say something about him?

779
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:55,160
Speaker 2: Or is that man?

780
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 4: They might have asked him about it, but you know,

781
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,439
Speaker 4: he I think just and was I know he talked

782
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,920
Speaker 4: about had they kept Sam Darnold that that one he

783
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 4: actually played better? And so yeah, and again that's not

784
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 4: breaking news.

785
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 2: And I and.

786
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 4: People have said, well, if if Rogers is going to

787
00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 4: play next year, it'll be with the Steelers because of

788
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 4: Mike McCarthy.

789
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 2: And I do think that they.

790
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:21,640
Speaker 4: Have managed to patch up whatever was plaguing them at

791
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 4: the end of their time together in Green Bay. But

792
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 4: I don't know if that's a lock. I don't know

793
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 4: if you know, if Aaron Rodgers wants to play at all.

794
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:30,200
Speaker 4: I don't know if he knows if he wants to

795
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 4: play it all. But I think there's probably some people

796
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:34,879
Speaker 4: in the building who would still feel like they'd be

797
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 4: better off doing that then, So I wouldn't rule that

798
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:38,239
Speaker 4: one out.

799
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 2: Derek Carr, that one, you know, that that was in them.

800
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 4: I thought, like my first thought was that it came

801
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 4: up because you know, he had played for Clint Kubiak

802
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 4: when Clint Kubiak was the offensive cord to New Orleans,

803
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 4: and that maybe Derek Carr goes back to the Raiders

804
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,959
Speaker 4: now that Kubiak was there, and that was opening up.

805
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 2: The door for that.

806
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,640
Speaker 4: But I've kind of joked over the years that that

807
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 4: that the Vikings would have to go out and get

808
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 4: you know whoever next year is Derek Carr is and

809
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 4: sometimes next year is Derek Carr is Derek Carr. So

810
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 4: you know, they're in a position where if he really

811
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 4: does want to play and he is healthy, that would

812
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 4: have to be somebody they'd have to consider.

813
00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:16,000
Speaker 1: Malik Willis, I would assume that he's going to find.

814
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 4: A clearer path to playing next year. But he certainly,

815
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 4: you know, Malaflour certainly got a lot out of him,

816
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:27,879
Speaker 4: a lot more than what Tennessee got out of him

817
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 4: earlier in his career. And we've seen for ourselves what

818
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,640
Speaker 4: can happen to talented people as they get older in

819
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 4: the Sam excuse me, and the Sam Darnold paradigm and so,

820
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 4: but I would think that based on quarterback need around

821
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 4: the league, Like if he wants if his goal was

822
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 4: just to flat out go to the place where he

823
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 4: has the best chance of playing, it would be somewhere else.

824
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 4: That's I mean, I've been saying all along. It might

825
00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 4: be the best case scenario for a lot of reasons.

826
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 4: And you know that the one thing to think through

827
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 4: is he's not coming for for the league minimum, you know,

828
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 4: and so you'd have to deal with the usual business negotiations.

829
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 2: They shouldn't he have to pay the vikings this time? Yes,

830
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 2: I think that's what they should do.

831
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,759
Speaker 4: They should They should get him and his agent into

832
00:42:13,800 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 4: a room and say here's our offer to you.

833
00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: You give us ten million dollars to come play for

834
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:20,040
Speaker 2: us this year and we'll give you a chance and

835
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 2: that'll be the start.

836
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 1: I probably not, But does he have any Do you

837
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: think he showed enough to think? Again, as you said,

838
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: all these are imperfect, so you're not going to get

839
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: perfection with any of these guys. But did he show

840
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: enough for you to think, yeah, there's you know, if

841
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: you had to.

842
00:42:34,920 --> 00:42:37,839
Speaker 4: Heah, yeah, thank for one year, like you wouldn't want

843
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 4: it to be any more than that. And I don't

844
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 4: know what he'd be looking for, but uh, you know,

845
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 4: I think for the for what they need, which is

846
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 4: a steady veteran hand in the in the event that

847
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 4: the guy they drafted two years ago is not going

848
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 4: to be ready or isn't healthy, then I think that he.

849
00:42:52,600 --> 00:42:55,520
Speaker 2: Could fit that. Bill Anthony Richardson, I.

850
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 4: Mean, that's a project, and if you acquire him, that's

851
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 4: almost like a side you know, project that maybe works

852
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 4: out in a few years, or a vanity project or whatever.

853
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 4: But I feel like things are intense enough and and

854
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 4: the organization's under enough scrutiny that like taking on something

855
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 4: like that may or may not be in your best today.

856
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: Well, the speculation is that the vikis liked him coming

857
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,239
Speaker 1: out of college and KOC is in love with him. Yeah,

858
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: but for the reason you just laid out, I don't

859
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: think KAOC can afford it. It's a vanity project, which

860
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: you can do if you've got something else right now

861
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 1: that you're sure of. But the other thing is no

862
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: sure thing, so you can't basically have two, you know,

863
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:42,040
Speaker 1: I guess two kinds of projects at the same time

864
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 1: and try to pick between the two.

865
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,840
Speaker 2: I don't think, you know, that would just be in

866
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: addition to yes, you know, so.

867
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 4: If they were to bring in the kirk Cousins, yeah,

868
00:43:52,120 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 4: and if you want to bring in Anthony Richardson and

869
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 4: you have you know, you have a quarterbacks coach and

870
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 4: assistant quarterbacks coach, you have a lot of other people

871
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,920
Speaker 4: on your staff who are good with quarterbacks, and you

872
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 4: want to have him, you know, work with him after

873
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 4: practice and do all those sort of things, then.

874
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 2: Have at it.

875
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 4: But I wouldn't think that they would consider him as

876
00:44:09,560 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 4: a possibility to be competing for the job.

877
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:17,800
Speaker 1: Interesting question for you about Josh mccollin's responsibility and role

878
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 1: in McCarthy's development. Bryce Young seemed to improve a lot

879
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: after Josh left. Josh lay the foundation for that that's

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Speaker 1: case a Vikings fan living in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, if I have my timetable right, Josh

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Speaker 4: McCown and Frank right, was Frank Reich's higher when Frank

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Speaker 4: Reich was the head coach in Carolina and they were

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Speaker 4: fired like halfway through his rookie season. So if we

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Speaker 4: want to judge him for what the work that he

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Speaker 4: did in a half season, then I guess that would

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Speaker 4: you know, we can do that, but I don't know

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Speaker 4: that that is entirely indicative of the work that he did.

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Speaker 4: And if you want to, and if you do, then

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Speaker 4: you should give him just as much credit for Sam

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Speaker 4: Darnold and and how that all worked out. And so

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Speaker 4: I will say that, Like I mean, I believe at

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Speaker 4: least part of evaluating assistant coaches has to be outcome

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Speaker 4: based the same way as head coaches. And if you

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Speaker 4: have if you're like Keenan McCardell, it's the Vikings wide

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Speaker 4: receivers coach, and you're churning out good players pretty regularly

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Speaker 4: and finding people in the draft the second or third

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Speaker 4: day of the draft that eventually turned out to be

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Speaker 4: pretty good players like Jalen Naylor, then I think you

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Speaker 4: get credit for that, even if you're saying, well, you're

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Speaker 4: giving him credit for Justin Jefferson, who was going to

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Speaker 4: be good anyone? Well, no, right, like that's part of it,

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Speaker 4: Like you're gonna rip them for so A long story short.

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Speaker 4: I do think that Josh McCown as the quarterbacks coach

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Speaker 4: for a quarterback that got drafted and then played poorly

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Speaker 4: for a good partion of his first season as a starter.

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Speaker 4: You know, he gets some scrutiny for that, and the

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Speaker 4: same way he gets credit for Sam Donald even if

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Speaker 4: Sam Darnold was going to do well. For any quarterbacks coach,

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Speaker 4: I think that's part of how it works. And so,

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Speaker 4: you know, I think that there was way too many

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Speaker 4: people in the league who saw Josh during his time

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Speaker 4: as a player and the way he interacted with his

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Speaker 4: teammates and with coaches and demonstrated scheme knowledge and just

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Speaker 4: all the different things that go into being a quarterback,

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Speaker 4: a good quarterback and also later a good coach, that

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Speaker 4: that was all in there with him. And I think

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Speaker 4: that he's still pretty well thought of around the league.

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Speaker 4: But it's I agree it's fair to say, look like

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Speaker 4: the guy that's in he's got three people in his

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Speaker 4: room and one you know, when they got on the

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Speaker 4: field last year it didn't really go so well.

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Speaker 2: We got a Top of the Hour break.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Seffert is in studio ESPN dot com. He's going

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Speaker 1: to give us the local angle on speed skating. A

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Speaker 1: little reminder he gave me as he came into the studio.

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Speaker 1: And then we got an interesting text on Minnesota speed

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Speaker 1: skating history, and we got a couple of other things

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Speaker 1: to get to Vikings related. Don't forget it'll be Kessler,

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Speaker 1: I believe in studio. He is scheduled for about five