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Speaker 1: Seven o seven here if you about Karsite talk Station.

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Speaker 1: Happy Friday, Brion Thomas right here. I always enjoy talking

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Speaker 1: to a friend that I made during the campaign last year,

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Speaker 1: Corey Bowman. He was running from mayor. I represented a

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Speaker 1: different way of going, not continuing down the same path,

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Speaker 1: doing the same thing over and over again, expecting a

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Speaker 1: different result as the definition of stupidity. And yet in

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Speaker 1: spite of the fact that a lot of people registered

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Speaker 1: to vote, one in four registered voters showed up to vote,

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Speaker 1: and of course, basically across the board, with a couple

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Speaker 1: noticable exceptions like California and Riverside and Sailor Park, everybody

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Speaker 1: went with Mary have to have Purvall and the current

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Speaker 1: cast characters we have representing the city of Cincinnati to

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Speaker 1: the extent they are Welcome back, Corey Bowman. Man, It's

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Speaker 1: great to have you on the morning show and a

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Speaker 1: happy Friday to you.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Good morning, Brian, Happy Friday, thanks for.

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Speaker 1: Having me, Happy to do it, and happy to mention

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Speaker 1: your church, the River Church. That's where Corey's pastor over

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Speaker 1: the West End. He's got some stuff to talk about.

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Speaker 1: What's going on the West End. Of course, subject matter

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Speaker 1: of a lot of discussion considering the young people who've

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Speaker 1: gotten their lives take from them just by hanging out

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Speaker 1: in a public park in regular hours. River Church is

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Speaker 1: where you go to see Corey Bowman preside over the congregation.

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Speaker 1: Maybe get you right with the Lord. Don't know King's

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Speaker 1: Arms Coffee Roasters as well. Yes, a free plug for

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Speaker 1: your coffee company too. I understand a couple of cops

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Speaker 1: went in there and heard me mention in King's Arms

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Speaker 1: Coffee Roasters. So at least you got a couple of

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Speaker 1: cups of coffee out of me for the last time

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Speaker 1: you're on Corey. Happy to do it man, Hey, I.

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Speaker 2: Really appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah, we started the church five

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Speaker 2: years ago and you know, when we started actually in

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Speaker 2: Queensgate West End area, fell in love with community and

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Speaker 2: throughout all that we've been able to distribute groceries and meals,

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Speaker 2: been able to lead people the Lord. But also, you know,

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Speaker 2: we also see not only the spiritual aspect, that there

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Speaker 2: has to be an economic impact for this as well,

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Speaker 2: So we started the coffee shop right in the downtown

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Speaker 2: West End area as well, and yeah, we've been able

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Speaker 2: to see major progress with that.

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Speaker 1: That's congratulations and keep up the great work in the community.

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Speaker 1: I know it's a community you really have a deep

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Speaker 1: concern over. You made a lot of friends there. You'd

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Speaker 1: like to see it a better place. And you've also

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Speaker 1: witnessed the struggles that some developers have had trying to

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Speaker 1: make the area a better place, with the City of

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Stan standing in the way of development in the

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Speaker 1: name of oh I don't know, connected communities or something. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: impediments to development are impediments to the neighborhood improving, and

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Speaker 1: that was one of the reasons I know you ran

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Speaker 1: for for mayor. We'll maybe give it another shot. Thank

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Speaker 1: you very much, Corey Bowman for attaching are you On

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Speaker 1: your Facebook page? Yesterday you posted a link to the

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Speaker 1: city council meeting that took place yesterday and their agenda,

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Speaker 1: And I wanted to ask you about this because I've

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Speaker 1: never seen an agenda before, never bothered looking, but right

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Speaker 1: there in the meeting caliber all of these action items,

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Speaker 1: and there are Cheeze Louise sixty of them. A lot

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Speaker 1: of them have to do with appointments, and what I

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Speaker 1: found really weird and I think really personally troubling. I'm

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Speaker 1: entitled to my own opinion is that when you're talking

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Speaker 1: about appointments, So for example, appointments submitted by a mayor,

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Speaker 1: I have to have purval I hear by appoint Anita

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Speaker 2: I guess.

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Speaker 1: But in every appointment, whether it's to that panel or

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Speaker 1: appointment to any advisory board like Housing Advisory Board, there's

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Speaker 1: a parenthetical which tells you the sex of the individual

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Speaker 1: and the color of their skin. So in so far

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Speaker 1: as Anita Albi's concerned, perenn female slash white. And it

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Speaker 1: comes to appointing David Roberts, the Housing advisor word perenn

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Speaker 1: Male AI. Then they got their gender pronouns put in there.

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Speaker 1: The reappointment at Parvoll for keyback, whoever that person is, perenn,

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Speaker 1: here bottom line, does that information have any bearing on

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Speaker 2: Corey, Well, you know when you mentioned this, this is

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Speaker 2: something that it's a very fine line to kind of,

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Speaker 2: heated issue. You know, it is important to recognize certain

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Speaker 2: gender because we've come so far in our country when

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Speaker 2: it comes to you civil rights, when it comes to

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Speaker 2: women's rights, when it comes to voting, but we've kind

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Speaker 2: of crossed over into this realm to where it's no

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Speaker 2: longer about creating equal opportunity for everybody. It's about check

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Speaker 2: marking all of these different categories just to make sure

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Speaker 2: we meet a quota right. And I think that that's

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Speaker 2: taken out the aspect of the true value of people

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Speaker 2: to what their opinions are, what comes to their background is.

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Speaker 2: And I believe that that's something that really hurts when

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Speaker 2: it comes to not only city government, when it comes

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Speaker 2: to businesses, when it comes to careers, we have to

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Speaker 2: be able to look at this as you know, not

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Speaker 2: everything needs to be a race issue or gender issue.

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Speaker 2: While it's important to recognize those things when it's appropriate,

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Speaker 2: this line that we're towing right now is creating more

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Speaker 2: division than unity.

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Speaker 1: Well that's was my take on it. And also, you know,

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Speaker 1: I'm one that still believes in the idea of meritocracy.

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Speaker 1: So if here's another one, Van Lee Solivan was appointed

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Speaker 1: to the Environmental Advisory Advisory Board for a three year appointment.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who this person is. I don't know

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Speaker 1: if they're qualified for the job. That's what really matters.

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Speaker 1: What have they done to make them qualify to sit

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Speaker 1: I mean, I suppose that's something since it was submitted

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Speaker 1: people losing trust in Cheryl Long's ability to make rational

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Speaker 1: Did Sharyl Long know whether or not he knows anything

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Speaker 1: I know, but I know that's not information that was

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Speaker 2: Well I will say this though, too, because what I've

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Speaker 2: seen is that they have this checkmark policy when it

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Speaker 2: comes to this. But when those appointees or when those

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Speaker 2: their policies or agree to play, you know, play ball

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Speaker 2: with the head administration, they get Ouston. What comes to mind,

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Speaker 2: you know, with me is Michael Washington. Michael Washington was

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Speaker 2: a man that grew up in downtown Cincinnati. He played

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Speaker 2: basketball at Station five Fire Department. He worked his way

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Speaker 2: up to being the Cincinnati fire chief. And this is

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Speaker 2: a black man that is in the city of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, you can check mark that, you know, he

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Speaker 2: met the diversity roles. But this man was qualified. This

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Speaker 2: man had a heart for the city of Cincinnati. And

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Speaker 2: when I talked to him, and when I talked to

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Speaker 2: the firefighters, nobody thinks that there is anybody that loves

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Speaker 2: the Cincinnati Fire Department and wants to see it succeed

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Speaker 2: more than Michael Washington, Right. So then, but then he

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Speaker 2: didn't play ball when it comes to the administration, and

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Speaker 2: so he gets wrongly fired let go by the city manager. Well,

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Speaker 2: now the city's paying for that because the city is

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Speaker 2: now facing the settlement of his lawsuit, and that's costing

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Speaker 2: taxpayers money. And so what I would say is that

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Speaker 2: why don't we start right off the bat with people

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Speaker 2: that love the community, with people that love Cincinnati, that

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Speaker 2: want to protect and serve or want to fulfill these

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Speaker 2: diversity will already be there, because Cincinnati is a diverse city, right,

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Speaker 2: But if you base it on the qualifications, you're going

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Speaker 2: to get a lot better outcome because of it.

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Speaker 1: That's my sole point. And if Michael Washington's name was

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Speaker 1: said paren male slash black, I would make the same argument.

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Speaker 1: He has demonstrably qualified for the job. He's been around

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Speaker 1: fire department work his entire life. He embraces the fire department.

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Speaker 1: He has worked hard, he's walked, worked himself up through

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Speaker 1: the ranks, eminently qualified based upon his merit. Anybody could

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Speaker 1: fill that role, regardless of skin color, regardless of sexuality.

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Speaker 1: The point being can they fill the role competently? And

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Speaker 1: isn't that the only thing that we should be vetting

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Speaker 1: them over anyhow, Just a little eye opening for me

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Speaker 2: Talk station.

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Speaker 1: And thinking about KERRCV talk station Happy Friday, the former

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Speaker 1: mayor old candidate still passed her and still businessman Corey

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Speaker 1: Bowman resident in the West End area in the neighborhood

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Speaker 1: that he cares a great deal about trying to make

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Speaker 1: it a better place. We go back to twenty twenty three,

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Speaker 1: eleven year old Dominic Davis got killed in a park

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Speaker 1: right down the street from your church. And then sadly

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Speaker 1: was her young girl's name read he was her last name.

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Speaker 1: And after the initial shooting of that young the eleven

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Speaker 1: year old Dominic Davis, the West End was promised some

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Speaker 1: cameras not going to always, you know, prevent crime but

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Speaker 1: certainly it deturns to crime. You were promised cameras will

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Speaker 1: being installed in the neighborhood and apparently that never happened

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Speaker 1: until we had the second eleven year old murdered in

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Speaker 1: the same part and then we get some action from council.

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Speaker 1: What is actually going on now on the ground in

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Speaker 1: efforts to prevent crime from happening.

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Speaker 2: Corey Bowman, Yeah, so I know that you know there's

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Speaker 2: a big emphasis on the cameras in the West End

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Speaker 2: right now. I know that you know they've the officers

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Speaker 2: specifically CPD and all the organizations that are involved in

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Speaker 2: this have called business owners in the West End because

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Speaker 2: you've got to get permission from like business owners or

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Speaker 2: property owners to put cameras up in certain places. So

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Speaker 2: that's something that shows us that they are being they

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Speaker 2: are actively pursuing installing these cameras in certain areas, so.

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Speaker 1: They'ret least asking now, do you get any sense from

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Speaker 1: the neighborhood business and property owners whether they're for it

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Speaker 1: or against it? Do you think generally speaking that would

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Speaker 1: the idea of a camera being mounted on their property

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Speaker 1: as being bad.

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Speaker 2: I think when it comes to what we seen in

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Speaker 2: like these public parks and these areas, because where the

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Speaker 2: shooting happened was at Laurel Park, and when you look

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Speaker 2: throughout the city, these parks have actually turned into these

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Speaker 2: areas that are targeted by gangs in the area, whether

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Speaker 1: In Stability and safety in any given community will lure investment.

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Speaker 2: And that might seem like, oh, yeah, we we have

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Speaker 2: We don't operate underneath KALIA. We don't operate under the

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Speaker 2: Ohio state accreditation, and that really hinders us, not only

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Speaker 2: when it comes to things like lateral hiring. If we're

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Speaker 2: underneath KALIA accreditation, you would get some of the best

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Speaker 2: of the best from NYPD, from Chicago PD, from LAPD,

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Speaker 2: all over the nation. Say hey, Cincinnati, there's a lower

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Speaker 2: our family there. And they are underneath that Koalia that

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Speaker 2: National recognize accreditation to where the standard they're going to

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Speaker 2: CINCINNTI doesn't operate under that, right now, and that's something

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Speaker 2: I think we need to change.

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Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like it's a simple fix, Corey. I mean,

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Speaker 1: is anything that our police officers here in the city

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Speaker 1: that is inconsistent or flies in the face of what

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Speaker 1: they are being taught under those larger, broader, widely accepted

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 2: And that's the thing is that, you know, even though

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Speaker 2: the standards underneath these accreditation would still match, Cincinnati just

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Speaker 2: kind of fails to work together with state or federal

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Speaker 2: when it comes to that. You know, I talked with

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Speaker 2: They would say, oh, well, we can't even get funding

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Speaker 2: for night vision right now. So that's when you know, like,

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Speaker 2: even if money is being thrown at public safety, it's

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Speaker 2: not going toward where it needs to go. This is

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati SUAD, this is a local law enforcement that it's

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Speaker 2: in their name that they need tactical gear and they

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Speaker 2: can't even get money for a night vision That's so

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Speaker 2: this is something. But then when I asked him, hey,

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Speaker 2: couldn't we work with the state or federal to try

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Speaker 2: to get more funding for this, he said, no, Cincinnati's

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Speaker 2: and Island under himself. They don't want to work with

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Speaker 2: the state or federal just because of the politics of everything.

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Speaker 1: Let's pause, we ring quarterback for one more. We'll first

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Speaker 1: catch ourselves a crime stopper, bad Guy the Week, Tivity,

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Speaker 1: Green Officer, Greens whaitting in the wings. We'll get her first.

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Speaker 1: Then we'll finish with Corey and learn about his podcast,

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Speaker 1: among other things Some forty seven. Right now, if you

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Speaker 1: have KC the talk station, mortgagees now, would you send

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Speaker 1: your kid to the wrong person? Can and good lucky

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Speaker 1: into where you're going Corey Bowman, I understand you have

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Speaker 1: a new podcasts, Yes, sir, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: We've been you know, kind of had it in the

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Speaker 2: works for a while, just kind of working with Joe.

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Speaker 2: And I want to thank Joe Schrecker for all the

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Speaker 2: work that he does for just not only you know

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Speaker 2: y'all show, but for everything that he's got his hand into.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, I believe that it's all going to.

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Speaker 3: Be lenks, provided that we'll be sharing weekly and just

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Speaker 3: keeping our voice out there because you know a lot

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Speaker 3: of people see it as hey, you know, is there

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Speaker 3: another race or you know, all.

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Speaker 2: This is just kind of a one off, but the

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Speaker 2: key aspect of last year and continues on this year,

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Speaker 2: is that we have to keep our voices loud when

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Speaker 2: it comes to what's going on in our city if

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Speaker 2: we want to see real change.

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Speaker 1: Corey Bowman, you're the man for the job. You're concerned

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Speaker 1: for the city comes through in your passion and in

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Speaker 1: your voice and in your day to day actions working

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Speaker 1: hard to make the West End a better community for everyone.

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Speaker 1: Corey Bowman, I love having you on the show and

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Speaker 1: I will encourage my listeners to find the Corey Bowman

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Speaker 1: podcast or whether they get their podcast, yes, produced by

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Speaker 1: my executive producer Jo Strecker, who will be happy to

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Speaker 1: produce anybody's podcast. Just get in touch with him.

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Speaker 3: He does that.

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Speaker 1: It's a thing. Corey Bowman. Have a great weekend. Be

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Speaker 1: careful with the snow, and I hope people don't ditch

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Speaker 1: church because we've got some snow on Sunday.

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Speaker 2: Hey, no matter what, we're going to be open. You know,

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Speaker 2: we encourage safety with everybody, but you know we'll always

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Speaker 2: remain open. And yeah, we're excited for a great weekend.

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Speaker 1: Sure you are, have one and best of health and

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Speaker 1: love to you and your entire family. Corey, we'll talk

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Speaker 1: again real soon, I'm sure, coming up at the top

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Speaker 1: of the hour, News Diana tell Us