1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: The Jesse Kelly Show Second hour, another hour of The 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:08,520 Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful Tuesday, and do not forget. 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 1: You can email us Jesse at jessekellyshow dot com. We 4 00:00:12,800 --> 00:00:18,439 Speaker 1: are about to finish finally the Rhodesian bush War tonight. 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: I have no worthly idea how long it's going to 6 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: take me. It might not even take me an hour. 7 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: It probably won't, but who knows. And then once we're 8 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: done with that, that'll wrap that up, and then we'll 9 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: move back on to politics or remember, if you missed 10 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 1: any of the previous four parts, they're all available on Iheartspotify, iTunes, 11 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: go download the podcast. I give all the background and 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: stuff like that, and always keep something else in mind 13 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: whenever we do history on this show. If there is 14 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: a topic that intrigues you, I just want to stress this. 15 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: There is a topic that intrigues you, I want to 16 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: encourage you that I can't possibly present all the interesting, 17 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: cool parts of it to you. Meaning, if I like 18 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,920 Speaker 1: the Rhodesian buschwart's about to be five hours basically of content, 19 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: if you're fascinated by it. It can be common to 20 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: think this, and I know because I used to do this. 21 00:01:21,640 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: It can be common to think, Okay, well I got it, 22 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 1: Jesse already told me about it. No, you're getting the 23 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: parts of it that are uniquely intriguing to me. And 24 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: of course you have an overview now, a basic understanding 25 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: of it. But I only have a basic understanding of it. 26 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:46,760 Speaker 1: If there are parts of it that intrigue you, any 27 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: parts of it, go read or listen to podcasts or 28 00:01:51,400 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: even audio books, like Jewish producer Chris does. If there's 29 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 1: a subject that fascinates you that maybe we've introduced you 30 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: to on this show, dig into it more yourself. There's 31 00:02:02,600 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: so much more out there. I had to learn this myself. 32 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: I'd read one book on something and think, Okay, I 33 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:11,400 Speaker 1: got it. That's it. No, no, no, no, no, go 34 00:02:11,480 --> 00:02:14,120 Speaker 1: read ten books on it. There's all kinds of different 35 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 1: perspectives and angles and details and more things that will 36 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:21,480 Speaker 1: come to you if you're fascinated by it. Dig into it, 37 00:02:21,480 --> 00:02:24,600 Speaker 1: all right. So we got this email Jesse, I'm really 38 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: enjoying the history of the Rhodesian Bush War. We got 39 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: a bunch of these. I'm glad you enjoying it. At 40 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: the beginning of the century, I completed MSG training and 41 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: was headed to my first post. By the way, MSG 42 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: is Marine Security Guard. Those are the guys who guard 43 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 1: our embassies. The United States Marines guard the embassies. Anyway, 44 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,160 Speaker 1: headed to my first post, Zimbabwe. I had no idea 45 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: where it was. To complicate matters, the schoolhouse map was 46 00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 1: from nineteen seventy nine, and I had no idea that 47 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 1: it had been Rhodesia. The country was amazing, but I 48 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 1: arrived just as the economy was collapsing. Not to give 49 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: it away, one of the local guards told me that 50 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: he had fought alongside Robert Mugabi. I'll get to him 51 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: in a bit. When I asked him what Mugabi was like, 52 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 1: he gave me this haunting stare and simply said he 53 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: is a cruel man. A very telling statement from his 54 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 1: former comrade. Anyhow, keep up the good work. I love 55 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:27,280 Speaker 1: your show. Simplify. Yeah, I'll let the rest of that 56 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 1: thing go. So now I mentioned yesterday where we are now, 57 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: I won't recap it for you again. I've already done 58 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 1: too much of that. Nineteen seventy four Mozambique, the country 59 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,320 Speaker 1: east of Rhodesia. They had been friendly to Rhodesia because 60 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 1: they were controlled by the Portuguese. Mozambique falls, Portugal pulls out. 61 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: They say, hey, you can have it now. Mozambique is 62 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: openly hostile to Rhodesia and the communist terrorists. They move 63 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 1: into Mozambique in a huge way. Gigantic training camps are 64 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: now open in Zambia and Mozambique. The Soviet Communists are 65 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:16,880 Speaker 1: pouring money and munitions and training into these areas. The Chinese, 66 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: the Chicoms are pouring money and munitions and training into 67 00:04:21,720 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 1: these areas. Rhodesia has its enemies amassing on its borders. 68 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: It has officially one friend left on the planet, and 69 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,159 Speaker 1: that friend is South Africa. South Africa kind of on 70 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: the southwestern border of Rhodesia and South Africa was half 71 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: their air force planes. South Africa would send men to help. 72 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,840 Speaker 1: But here is part of the problem with diplomacy. I 73 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:56,479 Speaker 1: shouldn't say problem. It's just the way the world works. 74 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: I shouldn't even call it a problem. Let's be adults here. 75 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: It's the way that we're world works. Countries like the 76 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,680 Speaker 1: United Nations, or countries like the United States, Organizations like 77 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: the United Nations, countries like the UK, they're not stupid. 78 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 1: They understand that Rhodesia is still held up, at least 79 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: in part by the South Africans. Well, that creates a 80 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 1: problem for South Africa because South Africa is not powerful 81 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 1: enough to withstand America, the UN, the UK. So they 82 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:37,159 Speaker 1: start leaning hard on Rhodesia to change. And remember the 83 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: change they want as you read it, as you dig 84 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 1: into it, the change they've always wanted is one man, 85 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:46,240 Speaker 1: one vote, one man, one vote. Well, that would mean 86 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,359 Speaker 1: the Europeans would essentially have no power whatsoever, and the 87 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 1: various African tribes would take over all positions of government. 88 00:05:55,560 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: Now pause, by this time, that has our already happened 89 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: in several countries around Africa. And every place that happened, genocide, poverty, 90 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 1: war and misery has followed. The world knows. Everybody knows. 91 00:06:14,760 --> 00:06:18,040 Speaker 1: If you hand it back over, they're going to murder 92 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 1: everybody and destroy every ounce of progress and it's going 93 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: to be a disaster. And the Rhodesians know this as well. 94 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:30,160 Speaker 1: Remember we're talking a country that got going in eighteen ninety, 95 00:06:31,120 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: not that old. We're less than one hundred years old 96 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,359 Speaker 1: on this country here, and these Europeans managed to build 97 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: it into the wealthiest, most prosperous country in Africa, modern 98 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 1: paved roads, the works, and they're looking around at every 99 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:50,679 Speaker 1: other country in Africa fall and saying we're not giving 100 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: it back. You're outside of your mind. But the idea 101 00:06:55,440 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 1: was one man, one vote. Now, sorry, folks on Paul 102 00:07:00,240 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: for a moment. We're going back to combat in a minute. 103 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: Don't worry about remembering these details. I've given you too many. 104 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: There's a lot of details in the story. The head 105 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: of Rhodesia is Ian Smith. Was his name, Ian Smith. 106 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: He was trying and obviously failed in the end. And 107 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: the different things you read will give you different opinions 108 00:07:21,120 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: of Ian Smith. I need to clarify that. But no 109 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,520 Speaker 1: matter which way you shake it, he was trying really 110 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:30,960 Speaker 1: hard to work with Britain on an agreement of some 111 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: kind that would allow Rhodesia to remain Rhodesia while maybe 112 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:40,920 Speaker 1: giving Britain enough of what they wanted to kind of 113 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: back off. Hey, back off? Now? Why is he so 114 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: desperate for them to back off? Remember I told you 115 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: before that Rhodesia was so wealthy and so prosperous that 116 00:07:51,160 --> 00:07:54,440 Speaker 1: people were pouring in. Other Africans were pouring in looking 117 00:07:54,480 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: for opportunity, looking for work. Europeans were pouring in. Hey, 118 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: this is a great place, fertile ground, modern, let's go 119 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: have an adventure. Let's go, let's go to Rhodesia. By 120 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: this point in the story, we're at the late seventies. 121 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 1: By this point in the story, that has changed. Now 122 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: farmers are being slaughtered. Now, if you get caught out 123 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: in the hinterlands by the terrorist groups with the terrorist camps, 124 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: they'll kill you, rape you, torture you. Now you had 125 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: to have an armored convoy. Let's say you and me, 126 00:08:32,880 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: throw your fam in the car. I'll throw my fam 127 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 1: in the car. We're gonna go camp in this weekend. 128 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:39,400 Speaker 1: We're gonna go out to the hinterlands. They'd call it 129 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: the bush. We're gonna go out to the bush and 130 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: we're gonna go fishing this weekend. You can't do that 131 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: anymore in Rhodesia, unless, of course, you have a friend 132 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: in the army, because it requires a military convoy to 133 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: drive out to the hinterlands. Think of it this way. 134 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: Salisbury is the main city. It wasn't only Salisbury, but 135 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: I'll make it easy. Salisbury the main city. Consider Salisbury 136 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: your fortress of safety. It's four to five fortress of safety. 137 00:09:06,559 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 1: That's fine. You leave that fortress, you might die. You 138 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: go out to any of the rural lands in Rhodesia, 139 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: you might die, and you might die ugly. Well. Remember, 140 00:09:20,440 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: Rhodesia may have had an elite military, but still it 141 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: was not a military. The country itself, Rhodesia was not 142 00:09:27,400 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 1: a military. It was a country, a country made up 143 00:09:31,280 --> 00:09:39,319 Speaker 1: of people of men, women, young, old school children, churches. 144 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: It was a civilization. And people who had previously come 145 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: to Rhodesia in search of opportunity and adventure. They didn't 146 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 1: want to live in a place where a landmine might 147 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 1: incinerate your whole family when you were driving out for 148 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 1: a picnic after church on a Sunday afternoon. Things have 149 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,880 Speaker 1: gotten so bad and Rhodesia Europeans are leaving, thousands of them. 150 00:10:04,920 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: They're done. The country is coming apart. We'll continue in 151 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:15,840 Speaker 1: a moment Jesse Kelly's Show on a Fantastic, Fantastic Tuesday. 152 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: You can email us Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. 153 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: Back to our Rhodesian Bush War history. Now we need 154 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:26,200 Speaker 1: to pause on Rhodesia specifically for a moment, and we 155 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 1: need to focus on the terrorists or gorillas, depending on 156 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: which side you're on. Here. As I told you before, 157 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: there are two very very different communists terrorist groups, and 158 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 1: they're different because they come from the two different African 159 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 1: tribes that had previously controlled Rhodesia. I won't bother with 160 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 1: naming the tribes again, that's just the detail. It doesn't matter. 161 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: You can go dig into it. The tribes are known 162 00:10:52,960 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: as different things anyway, but two different tribes historical hatred, slavery, slaughter, 163 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: historical hatred. Well, one of those tribes backed by the Soviets, 164 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:12,839 Speaker 1: the other tribe backed by the Chinese. But wait, there's more. 165 00:11:14,200 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 1: Communists are horrible, aren't they. They're even horrible to each other. 166 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: You see, there's actually an internal communist revolt that kind 167 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: of slows things down for the Soviet back communists because 168 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: they end up having their leaders arrested and tortured, and 169 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:33,719 Speaker 1: then they have to arrest and torture the guy. It's 170 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: don't My whole point in this was don't think that 171 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,760 Speaker 1: it's all hunky dory with the communist terrorists who are 172 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 1: setting up these camps outside of Rhodesia, and in some 173 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: cases in Rhodesia. It is not now back to being 174 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: in Rhodesia. The Rhodesians are running out of stuff, and 175 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 1: it really is. It's amazing how how how they were 176 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: able to fix planes and fix helicopter with essentially what 177 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 1: they had on hand. They're patching it all together. I 178 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,920 Speaker 1: was reading one thing from a guy. He was Rhodesian 179 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: light infantry, and he talked all the time about how 180 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: he would have to stitch up his own combat gear 181 00:12:15,160 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 1: because the gear they had was so worn out and 182 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:22,319 Speaker 1: frayed that you couldn't even store anything in it. Remember, 183 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 1: these guys are toughest nails. Their military was excellent, but 184 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: they're running out of things, and they're also hurting for 185 00:12:31,559 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: man power. Remember yesterday what I mentioned fire force. What 186 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: it was Fireforce were these different quick reaction forces in 187 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: the country and they would they would find terrorists, they'd 188 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: get load up in the heroes, load up in the planes, 189 00:12:46,360 --> 00:12:49,080 Speaker 1: take off towards the terrorists, try to surround them, envelop 190 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 1: them and kill them. All sounds great, worked really well, 191 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: was a genius idea, But the number of terrorists is 192 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:04,560 Speaker 1: seemingly endless. The number of Rhodesians is not. They don't 193 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 1: have the man power to suffer a broken ankle. These 194 00:13:08,640 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: fire force units were supposed to be one hundred men, 195 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty men. They were always going out 196 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: with seventy. People were dying, people were getting hurt. And again, 197 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: this is a tiny portion of society. The man power 198 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 1: is limited. So let's discuss somebody briefly here, because he's 199 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,160 Speaker 1: going to matter. In fact, the email brought him up already, 200 00:13:32,280 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: Robert Mugabi. People who have any understanding of history of 201 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: the region will know the name. Of course, certainly older 202 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: people will know the name Robert Mugabi. Spoiler alert. He's 203 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,199 Speaker 1: the head of one of the communist groups, the Chinese backed, 204 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: actually the Chinese backed communist group that will eventually conquer Rhodesia. 205 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:59,000 Speaker 1: Remember that he is already a monster, a butcher. He 206 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: is known as a butcher. He has advanced Chinese training, 207 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: not just on military stuff, on insurgencies, on everything. He 208 00:14:08,960 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: is somebody widely known to be a bad, bad person. 209 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,719 Speaker 1: I mentioned Ian Smith's negotiations with the British government, how 210 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: they're trying to negotiate some sort of an agreement where 211 00:14:21,760 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: the Rhodesians can the Europeans essentially can retain control, but 212 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 1: of course with increased African representation and things like that. 213 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,200 Speaker 1: And one of the things the Rhodesians were passionate about 214 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: was under no circumstances can Robert Mugabi take over this country. 215 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: This was something well known even with the other terrorists, 216 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:48,560 Speaker 1: the Soviet back terrorists, even they knew, Oh, Robert Mugabi, 217 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: that would probably be bad. He definitely seems like a 218 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: genocidal madman who will kill and torture everybody. We should 219 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:01,600 Speaker 1: probably avoid that. Now, what kind of things are the 220 00:15:01,640 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: Rhodesians doing. Some of these things you may love, some 221 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 1: may not. I mentioned yesterday. They're putting up their own 222 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 1: land mines, lots of them. They are draining the rural 223 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: areas because now that the Communists are able to come 224 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 1: into Rhodesia, in the rural areas, the Communists are recruiting Rhodesians, 225 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 1: Black African Rhodesians, recruiting them from inside the country. And 226 00:15:29,520 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: by the way, because they're communists, it's not always lovely 227 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: recruit recruitment recruitment with US signing bonuses and candy canes 228 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: for everybody. They operated in much the same way the 229 00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: Vietcong operated. They would walk into your African village and 230 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,720 Speaker 1: pull the village elder in the village leader and ask 231 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: him for twenty young men to join the communist cause. 232 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: And if he said no, they gather the whole village 233 00:15:53,920 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 1: around and they carve his guts out while he's still 234 00:15:56,600 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 1: alive in front of everybody, rape all the women, and 235 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 1: chop people's head off. It's horrible. It's just human rights 236 00:16:02,320 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: abuses like you can't possibly imagine. Well, now this is 237 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: making a bad problem even worse for the Rhodesians. They're 238 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: having internal problems, and so they start doing things like 239 00:16:17,560 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: I already mentioned, draining these areas. They're not letting people 240 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 1: stay there anymore. Now they're having things like curfews where 241 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:28,440 Speaker 1: if they catch you out after a certain hour, you die. Period. Well, 242 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: what's going to happen? Then you're going to eventually kill 243 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: innocent people, and then that's going to make international news. 244 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 1: They're just swimming against the tide. So they eventually do 245 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: pull off one of the cooler military things I've ever 246 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 1: heard in my life that was awesome and wonderful in 247 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: a complete and total disaster. I will explain what that 248 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 1: is in a moment. Jesse Kelly show on a Fantastic 249 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,520 Speaker 1: Tuesday going over the final part of the Rhodesian bush War. 250 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: If you miss to any of the others, iHeart spotify iTunes. 251 00:17:03,680 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 1: So by now I mentioned already the Rhodesians are having 252 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: to take extreme measures, and keep in mind, I don't 253 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: want to present them as fluffy and cuddly. They're doing 254 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: some torturing themselves. They are, and they're doing things that 255 00:17:18,800 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 1: would make you probably squeamish. For instance, they're selling cigarettes, 256 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 1: clothing to the communist gorillas that's poisoned, poisoning them. These 257 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: are the kinds of things they're doing. Now I mentioned 258 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,680 Speaker 1: Mozambique and how big of a problem Mozambique was. These 259 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:45,680 Speaker 1: huge communist training camps were in Mozambique. Now there's a unit, 260 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: and I read a wonderful book. Three SIPs of Gin 261 00:17:50,119 --> 00:17:52,440 Speaker 1: is the name of the book. Three SIPs of Gin 262 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,880 Speaker 1: is the name of the book. Three SIPs of Gin 263 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 1: is the name of the book. Anyway, about this unit 264 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 1: I've mentioned before, called the Cellas Scouts or Selu Scouts. 265 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: They were in elite unit, as I mentioned, more than 266 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 1: half of them, and that's going to matter for Operation 267 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 1: Elan's purposes. More than half of them were Black Africans. 268 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: Many of those Black Africans were actually recruits. They had 269 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 1: been communists and then they got recruited and they joined 270 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: the cellas scouts. This unit did more things that I 271 00:18:27,640 --> 00:18:29,639 Speaker 1: could ever lay out than I even know. I mean, 272 00:18:29,640 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: I've only read a few books on the subject. They 273 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:35,160 Speaker 1: were always tracking people. They were doing they were posing 274 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: as warlords, they were poisoning cigarettes. They were the clandestine 275 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 1: find a way to find them and kill them unit, 276 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 1: and they came up with an operation. Uh gutsy is 277 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: just one way you would describe it. You see, there 278 00:18:55,160 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: was this large communist training camp in Mozambique. Here is 279 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:06,399 Speaker 1: what happened. These sellers scouts knew when the troops would 280 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,879 Speaker 1: gather for formation. I believe there were a couple thousand 281 00:19:09,960 --> 00:19:13,520 Speaker 1: troops when they would gather for formation in this space 282 00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:18,480 Speaker 1: in Mozambique. Here's what they did. They gathered up in 283 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: a bunch of armored cars. Armored cars designed armored cars 284 00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: that were the same cars that the terrorists would be using. 285 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 1: Keep in mind cars that had gigantic machine guns on them. 286 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 1: I won't break down the details of these machine guns. Also, 287 00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: cars that it's hard to see inside an armored car, 288 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: is it not. These Sellu scouts used their black members 289 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: and they put terrorist uniforms on them, so they looked 290 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: like the communists terrorists, and those were the ones who 291 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 1: were the drivers and the turret gunners, of course. And 292 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 1: they drive up to the gate of this communist training 293 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: camp in Mozambique while all the terrorists are on the 294 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: parade ground for formation, and of course they get stopped 295 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,240 Speaker 1: at the gate. The communist said, wow, what are you 296 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,199 Speaker 1: doing here? And they pull that thing you've seen in 297 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: the movies a thousand times. They say, I'll have you arrested. 298 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: What are you doing stopping me? You peon, I'm general whatever, 299 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,119 Speaker 1: I'm colonel whatever. I'll cut your hands off. Of course 300 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: it's some I'm sure it's some twenty year old idiot 301 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:33,639 Speaker 1: kid at the gate. Well wow, sorry, you guys, go ahead. 302 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 1: They drive these armored vehicles into the base. They are 303 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: outnumbered on this base sixty to one. They are not 304 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: only outnumbered sixty to one. May I repeat myself, they 305 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: are in a totally different country. They are in Mozambique, 306 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: they are not in Rhodesia. They pull the armored vehicles 307 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: with the heavy machine guns onto the parade ground. The 308 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: troops who are on the parade ground, remember there's a 309 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: couple thousand of them, They want to know what's going on. 310 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: They began to gather around the armored vehicles, at which 311 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: point in time the signal is given and the heavy 312 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:26,639 Speaker 1: machine guns open fire on the defenseless terrorists on the 313 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 1: parade ground and they start chopping these guys up like cord. 314 00:21:36,160 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: They slaughter the African terrorists, no deaths on behalf of 315 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:46,440 Speaker 1: the cellas scouts. When they've done what they can do, 316 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:50,720 Speaker 1: they peel rubber in their armored cars and drive out 317 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,640 Speaker 1: of the base all the way back to Rhodesia. One 318 00:21:54,680 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: of the most bold, brilliant military actions I have ever 319 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: heard of in my entire life. A humongous success right, 320 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 1: and of course widely celebrated in Rhodesia. But as we 321 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:19,719 Speaker 1: have discussed, there's always a political aspect to war. Always. 322 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,119 Speaker 1: I don't like it, you don't like it. Kill the 323 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: enemies all that matters, but that's not real life. Operation 324 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: Eland as it is called, was a humongous military success, 325 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 1: but at this point in history, it is a diplomatic, 326 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: a political disaster. Rhodesia is already coming apart. It is 327 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,920 Speaker 1: politically on the outs with the rest of the world, 328 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:56,880 Speaker 1: and Jimmy Carter's President of the United States of America. 329 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: Operation eland or deifies the entire planet. Think about it. 330 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:06,159 Speaker 1: A bunch of unarmed Africans. And of course the communists 331 00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: say they were all refugees. They don't say any of 332 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: these guys were terrorists or soldiers or gorillas. They act 333 00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: like the Rhodesians rode in and mowed down a bunch 334 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: of women and children. Now what's the one friend Rhodesia 335 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: has left on the planet South Africa. After Operation eland 336 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:32,199 Speaker 1: the world comes down so hard on South Africa. South 337 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: Africa says, hey, Rhodesia, we're out. You are on your own. 338 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,640 Speaker 1: And they leave, and they take their men, and they 339 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:53,399 Speaker 1: take their planes and they bail. Now it's over, I 340 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: mean at this exact moment. It doesn't end, but this 341 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 1: ends Rhodesia. They are a land locked country where the 342 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,600 Speaker 1: modern countries of the world have declared them to be 343 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 1: the enemy, and physically every country now on their border 344 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: is hostile to them. Not only no more trade, most 345 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 1: of the countries on their border are harboring and training 346 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 1: and supplying terrorists pouring into their country. Now they know 347 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: it's over, the only question is what do you do? 348 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: So they came up with a couple different plans. There 349 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: was one plan. One plan was to essentially leave the 350 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 1: country and burn down and destroy all the infrastructure on 351 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: the way out, essentially fight a rearguard action down to 352 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 1: South Africa where you'll leave and just burn but you know, 353 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: fill up, put concrete in every toilet, rip up every street, 354 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:04,200 Speaker 1: leave nothing for the Africans. But what happens is they 355 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: agree to have an election, a one man, one vote 356 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: style election the Brits had been pushing for from the 357 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:18,520 Speaker 1: very very beginning. Well, how do communists operate elections here 358 00:25:18,520 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: in the United States of America? How'd that twenty twenty 359 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:25,880 Speaker 1: election go? How do you think Robert Mugabi and his 360 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,679 Speaker 1: political party, how exactly do you think they're going to 361 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 1: handle an election in Rhodesia. Yeah, let me go ahead 362 00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 1: and spoil it for you, Robert Mugaby with some uh 363 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: shady dealings, if you will takes power in Rhodesia. Now 364 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: we'll just do a couple more sentences on this, thirty 365 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: more seconds, because I think you already know how it 366 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:55,160 Speaker 1: goes from here. It doesn't go very well. All right, 367 00:25:56,440 --> 00:26:01,360 Speaker 1: hang on, what is the Jesse Kelisha, Oh, final segment 368 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 1: of the Jesse Kelly Show on this hour. Don't worry, 369 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 1: we still have an entire other hour. It's just going 370 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,240 Speaker 1: to be our final segment on the Rhodesian Bush War. 371 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: Fast forward. We finally have peace in Rhodesia. Peace doesn't 372 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: go very well. Robert Mugabe and his communists take over 373 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: the government. Now I need to clarify. I said there 374 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:28,600 Speaker 1: were a couple different plans. The Europeans had. One of 375 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: those plans actually involved now performing a military coup and 376 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,959 Speaker 1: killing them all. But they decided to set those plans 377 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: aside and they walked away. But not all Europeans walked away. 378 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: And I know, given what we're going to know here 379 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 1: in a moment that probably sounds bonkers. Hey, some angry communists, 380 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,440 Speaker 1: some murderous time, it just took over. Why would you stay? 381 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: Let's remember these are real people, and let's remember you 382 00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 1: might be on your third generation in your family fall 383 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: in Rhodesia. Maybe your grandfather came here eighty years ago. 384 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,720 Speaker 1: It's easy looking back down. It's easy for you, it's 385 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: easy for me to say, hey, you got to get out. 386 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:13,880 Speaker 1: That may be everything you have it maybe everything you've 387 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,720 Speaker 1: ever known. I mean, you might be fifty five years old. 388 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? Go start over. A lot 389 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: of Europeans chose to stay, and Robert Mugabi, who understood 390 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: the world was watching him now, initially tried to play 391 00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,679 Speaker 1: it off as if he was just going to be 392 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: a pretty fair guy. Still allowed a few Europeans to 393 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,679 Speaker 1: be represented in the government, didn't immediately start the purges. 394 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: But he's a communist. What do communists do with power? 395 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: Do you think they're different than our than our communists? 396 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: What do they do? They do two things. They reward 397 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: their friends and they punish their enemies. Robert Mugabi begins 398 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 1: to fill up the government met with committed communists. Robert 399 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: Mugabi also he believes he has two sets of enemies 400 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 1: in the country, not just the white Europeans. Remember those 401 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: Soviet backed gorillas, the Soviet back terrorists. Remember how they 402 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:23,199 Speaker 1: were from a different tribe than Mugabi. Mugabi starts to 403 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:27,760 Speaker 1: get a little bit stronger in his rhetoric of these 404 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: people are the enemy, these people are the reason things 405 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: aren't working. Well, because, of course, surprise, surprise, things start 406 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: to fall apart. The second you hand the country to 407 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:42,760 Speaker 1: the communists. Robert Mugabi starts to genocide the opposing tribe. 408 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:49,880 Speaker 1: Robert Mugabi starts to do things like this. Farmer, farmer 409 00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: or white European farmer is well aware that white European 410 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: farms have been attacked, few of them lately. Anyway, farmer 411 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 1: feels that his family may be in danger. He may 412 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: be in danger, so he sends his wife and children 413 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,720 Speaker 1: into town, into Salisbury or somewhere like that, where he 414 00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: thinks they'll be safe. And then he wakes up one 415 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 1: night to find his home is surrounded by gangs with 416 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 1: machetes and axes, gangs that have been sent there by 417 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: Robert Mugabi. He calls his mother, tells mom what's happening, 418 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,640 Speaker 1: essentially tells her goodbye. His mother, as any mother would, 419 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,320 Speaker 1: hangs up the phone a bit distraught and calls the police. 420 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:40,880 Speaker 1: Except who do you think controls the police? Now? In 421 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: what is now Zimbabwe? Who do you think controls the police? 422 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:48,240 Speaker 1: Remember what happens in our big cities now with these 423 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:55,000 Speaker 1: big city police chiefs. The police don't even answer the 424 00:29:55,040 --> 00:30:00,440 Speaker 1: phone that man ends up being hacked to death, shot 425 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:05,440 Speaker 1: to death inside of his home. This became an extremely 426 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:11,920 Speaker 1: common tale as Zimbabwe slowly but surely descended into what 427 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: all communist countries descend into, a one party state full 428 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: of torture, death, genocide, and now the Jewel of Africa, 429 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: the wealthiest, most prosperous country in Africa, now makes the 430 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly Show Crappiest Country in the World tournament. All 431 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: it took was twenty thirty years of communist rule to 432 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:50,560 Speaker 1: destroy everything civilized people had built. It is an insanely 433 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:56,920 Speaker 1: fascinating tale, a sad tale, if we're being honest, isn't 434 00:30:56,960 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: it sad? There are people who are passionate about Rhodesia. 435 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,880 Speaker 1: Keep in mind, I remember I teased yesterday that we've 436 00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,560 Speaker 1: got a guy who was there. He's going to actually 437 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: join us tomorrow. We've reached out to him courtesy of 438 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: a listener of the show, actually a Navy Seal listener 439 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 1: of the show, which is really cool. Center five Brother 440 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 1: Navy Seal listener of the show knows a veteran of 441 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,520 Speaker 1: the Rhodesian Bush War, and he's going to join us tomorrow, 442 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 1: probably just be a brief little thing. I just want 443 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: to touch base with him on it. I want I 444 00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: want to hear from him. I haven't talked to him yet. 445 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: Jewish producer Chris As I haven't. I'm going to talk 446 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,920 Speaker 1: to him. We'll just get his perspective on it. But 447 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: are there are Rhodesians, many of them still alive today 448 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: who remember it and it is such a point of sorrow, 449 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 1: And there are people who are just passionate about it, 450 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: who think about it, and it's just such a point 451 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: of sorrow. And I really thought it would be an 452 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: appropriate lesson for where we are and what happens if 453 00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 1: you don't stop communist insurgents from taking over your country, 454 00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:02,240 Speaker 1: from occupying the positions of power, they will bring nothing 455 00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: but death and misery in the end. And who is 456 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:10,920 Speaker 1: better off? Now? Who's better off? I'd love to ask 457 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: the United Nations and Britain, in all these countries that 458 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:18,040 Speaker 1: helped doom Rhodesia, are you proud of yourself right now? 459 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 1: There was a wonderful place, not just for white Europeans, 460 00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: for Black Africans, employment, civilization, modern medicine, and you had 461 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: to rip it away from them with your race activism. 462 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: And now people starve to death, regularly living below the 463 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:45,840 Speaker 1: poverty line, hospitals that don't have any medicine. That's what happens. 464 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: A very very sad tale, but a very fascinating tale. 465 00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,680 Speaker 1: And like I said in the beginning, we're going to 466 00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: get back to politics now. Like I said in the beginning, 467 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,719 Speaker 1: if this fascinates you, and according to your emails, it 468 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: most certainly does. If this fascinate you, go pick up 469 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: a book on it, an audiobook on it. I mentioned 470 00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:07,520 Speaker 1: a couple books that I read just because they were 471 00:33:07,560 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: my favorites. But there are so many. There are fascinating 472 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: YouTube channels. People have done podcasts with these veterans. You 473 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: can go so much more in depth than I went into. 474 00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: I gave you the thirty thousand foot view. If this war, 475 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: If this conflict fascinates you, look into it. I didn't 476 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: even go into all the mercenaries that came over and 477 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: fought with them, including Americans, Vietnam veterans, all kinds of 478 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: people fascinating. Anyway, let's talk about a healthcare problem. We 479 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: may have some emails letting juveniles out of prison and more. 480 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:43,320 Speaker 1: Thanks