1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: We have Rick Brouring with his Musketeer Report dot Com 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: color analyst on n k U Radio broadcast. The nor 3 00:00:05,960 --> 00:00:08,920 Speaker 1: is taking on Purdue Fort Wayne tonight. We're doing this 4 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: like a twenty first century broadcasting outlet where he's joining 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: us on stream yard or we're not. We're not gonna 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: do phone calls with Rick anymore? Is that what's happening? Terarren? 7 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: This is a test. It's beta. Very good? Do I 8 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:24,919 Speaker 1: have to do anything? All right? Well? I be able 9 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 1: to see Rick's face when I talk to him? Yes, Wow, 10 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: this is amazing. I'm ready to bring Rick in so 11 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: I could see his face. Can the folks on Twitter 12 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:38,840 Speaker 1: watch this? Well? Okay, very good? Well let's let's bring 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 1: in Ricky. I see Rick. Can I hear Rick? Should 14 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: be able to Rick talk? Rick say something? Can Rick 15 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: hear us? I see Rick? He looks great now and 16 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: see oh but now Rick isn't But the audience can 17 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: hear me? Correct? Hear you? All right? But Rick can't 18 00:00:58,760 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: hear me? 19 00:00:59,200 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 2: Wait? 20 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:01,560 Speaker 1: Well, oh I know what to do? Okay, this is fine. 21 00:01:01,560 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: This is live. See, this is this is why radio 22 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: is better than anything else. This is live. We don't 23 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:08,399 Speaker 1: get we don't get to let's let's go back and 24 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: then and hit record again. Hi, Ricky, you hear me? 25 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: Okay, No, I've done this like a million times on 26 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,559 Speaker 2: podcasts before, where the audio doesn't work for the first 27 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 2: three tries, but in that case you just get to 28 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 2: start over. So i've radio is the best. 29 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,200 Speaker 1: You're right, well it's it's thank you for joining the 30 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: twenty first century. I believe this is only the second 31 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,760 Speaker 1: interview we've ever done this way, so so thanks very much. 32 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:29,559 Speaker 1: Maybe this will be fun. 33 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: I don't think that's me joining the twenty first century 34 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 2: thing I've hearn doing this. I think that's you guys 35 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: joining the twenty first century. 36 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: Thank you for welcoming welcoming us into the twenty first century. 37 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great, glad to be here. 38 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 1: At the end of the game last night, if you're 39 00:01:43,240 --> 00:01:46,399 Speaker 1: Richard Patino, you want Trey Carroll to be involved in 40 00:01:46,400 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: the final play, But do you want him bringing the 41 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 1: ball up? 42 00:01:52,040 --> 00:01:55,640 Speaker 2: Well, here's here's the thing about Xavier's end of game situations. 43 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 2: They don't have a good option. Like as much as 44 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:01,080 Speaker 2: fans are frustrated with Tray Carrol handling the ball in 45 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 2: tight spaces and trying to do everything in those spots 46 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 2: and obviously had six turnovers in the game last night. 47 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 2: It's not the first time we've seen him get swiped 48 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 2: by an extra defender or in last night's case, that 49 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 2: last turnover wasn't even a double team situation. He was 50 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 2: just dribbling above the court and kind of threw it 51 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,799 Speaker 2: away as he came into the front court. So yeah, 52 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: that is obviously not ideal. He probably isn't skilled enough 53 00:02:23,560 --> 00:02:25,800 Speaker 2: to be asked to handle those situations all the time. 54 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:28,959 Speaker 2: But the reality of the situation for Xavier is they 55 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,600 Speaker 2: don't have good playmakers. They ultimately want the ball in 56 00:02:32,639 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 2: his hands in those situations, so you kind of have 57 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,239 Speaker 2: to live with them. I was texting a friend last 58 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: night about the game, and I said, you know, it's 59 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: one of those situations where you couldn't win with Trey 60 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 2: Carroll last night, but you wouldn't have even been close 61 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:44,919 Speaker 2: without him. 62 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, multiple things can be true, right, They 63 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: have no chance of winning that game without him yet, 64 00:02:50,000 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: And I my first thought after the game last night was, 65 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:55,679 Speaker 1: holy crap, Trey Carroll only had six turnovers because it 66 00:02:55,720 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: felt like he had ten. 67 00:02:57,919 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: Yes, I mean that's the case. It was not just 68 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,520 Speaker 2: the end of game situation. But early in the game too, 69 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,800 Speaker 2: he had issues where it really felt like I think 70 00:03:04,840 --> 00:03:06,079 Speaker 2: there was a post on my message board in the 71 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,239 Speaker 2: first few minutes where it's like, I'm done with Tray 72 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 2: Carrol being allowed to touch the ball on the offensive end, 73 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 2: which obviously he ended up leading the team in scoring 74 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 2: and having a huge night. So it's like there's a 75 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 2: lot of frustration there leading into that end of game situation, 76 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 2: and yet he's been there, clearly their best player, and 77 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,240 Speaker 2: he clearly is the guy that keeps them in most 78 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 2: of these games down to the wire. But yeah, is 79 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:32,800 Speaker 2: he's an ideal go to alpha score? Obviously not, And 80 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:34,520 Speaker 2: that's been the case all season for this team. It's 81 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 2: one of the reasons they have the record that they do. 82 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:39,240 Speaker 1: You and I have talked a lot this year about 83 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 1: how if you look at the talent, it feels like 84 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: and I think most Xavier fans would agree. I think 85 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:46,840 Speaker 1: Richard Patino has gotten as much out of this collection 86 00:03:46,920 --> 00:03:49,000 Speaker 1: of players as you could have asked, certainly as you 87 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: could have asked after we watched him play a handful 88 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: of games. Yet for the most part, and there have 89 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: been exceptions, like to Paul here, there have been so 90 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: many of these games that were there for the taking 91 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 1: down the stretch where they just don't make to play. 92 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: How much is coaching culpable for that? 93 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's something we do in all sports, 94 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 2: you know, Like we talk a lot about it. With 95 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: Zach Taylor. We post his record in one score games 96 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 2: or games by it decided by a touchdown or less, 97 00:04:15,360 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 2: and it's like, well, I don't know how interesting those 98 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: stats are because the reality situation is that's what good 99 00:04:21,160 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 2: teams do, they win close games, and that's what bad 100 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 2: teams do, they lose close games. And we knew going 101 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,280 Speaker 2: into the year that this Zavior team wasn't very talented. 102 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: That doesn't mean you're going to get blown out every game, 103 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: and obviously they have had a few blowouts, including a 104 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,880 Speaker 2: couple of the biggest losses in Cintas Center history this year. 105 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 2: But ultimately, that's what it means to me when you 106 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 2: see a bunch of close losses, you have a team 107 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 2: that's not good enough. All of these guys are getting 108 00:04:44,560 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 2: paid to play at the Big East level. Now that 109 00:04:47,080 --> 00:04:48,960 Speaker 2: before that they were all on scholarship, so it's not 110 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 2: like they can't play basketball at all. They're going to 111 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 2: score some points. They're going to be in these games. 112 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,599 Speaker 2: But the difference between a good team and a team 113 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: that just doesn't have enough is you lose a bunch 114 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 2: of close games. And that's the situation Xavier finds itself. 115 00:05:01,279 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: What was going through your mind at halftime of the 116 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:07,920 Speaker 1: NKAU game against IU Indianapolis. 117 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 2: It felt like a carbon copy of the first game 118 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: against them. Quite honestly, nk you digs itself a hole. 119 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 2: You kind of start to see a little bit of 120 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 2: a fight back before the end of the first half, 121 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 2: but then you kind of don't get all the way there. 122 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 2: You screw up the end of the half situation, and 123 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 2: you still go down trailing, and you're thinking, well, on 124 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 2: one hand, we've already seen them do this before. They 125 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: can come back and they can finish this game off 126 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 2: and turn it into a win. On the other hand, 127 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 2: it was certainly frustrating to go into the halftime seeing 128 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,200 Speaker 2: them trail again against a team that has the worst 129 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:37,599 Speaker 2: record in the league. But they turned around in the 130 00:05:37,600 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 2: second half, and defensively, some of the plays they made 131 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 2: down the stretch in that game where the types of 132 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 2: things that we've been talking about all year they've lacked 133 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 2: and they didn't just play solid down the stretch. I 134 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 2: mean they had multiple emphatic blocks, a steal that led 135 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 2: to a transition layup by Donovan Oday. I mean the 136 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 2: final four or five possessions of regulation, almost all of 137 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 2: them featured a big defensive play by Nkau. 138 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: They played Perdue Fort Wayne's and I'm coming to the game. 139 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: I'll be at the game, Tonyce. Yeah, Well, the records 140 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,240 Speaker 1: want to oh with you in attendance. The Norris have 141 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 1: an unblemish record when I show up. They do not 142 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: have an unblemish record against Perdue Fort Wayne. That is 143 00:06:12,839 --> 00:06:15,600 Speaker 1: a game that they were in control of for the 144 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: first half and for the early portions of the second half, 145 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: and then it all sort of fell apart. What went 146 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: wrong in that game? That has to go right tonight? 147 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 2: Well, I think the first thing is you've got to 148 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: be able to defend Perdue Fort Wayne without fouling. And 149 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 2: it starts with the leading score in the conference. And 150 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 2: Corey had not definitely a candidate for Player of the 151 00:06:34,640 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: Year in the Horizon League this year. He's the only 152 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:38,560 Speaker 2: player in the conference averaging over twenty points per game. 153 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:40,599 Speaker 2: He got hot and he got to the free throw 154 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 2: line a lot. In the second half of that first game. 155 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 2: He finished with twenty five points. And that's what when 156 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,719 Speaker 2: they win, he scores efficiently. He's shooting fifty nine percent 157 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: in the games that they win. He's shooting like forty 158 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 2: low forty percent in the games that they lose. So 159 00:06:56,120 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: you're not going to completely shut him down, but you 160 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 2: got to slow him down and make it difficult for 161 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 2: him on the offensive end. 162 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: What is the dumbest question you've ever asked a basketball coach? 163 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 1: And when he lasted When he asked it, did you 164 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: get accused of raising your voice? 165 00:07:10,600 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: I did not get accused of raising my voice. Actually, 166 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 2: Richard Patino handled it very well last night. I asked him. 167 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: You know, I was interested that he brought up the 168 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 2: transfer portal during his Coaches show the last two Coaches Show. 169 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: He said, like, we're already having transfer portal meetings. It's 170 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: just the reality of how the sport works now. I 171 00:07:26,240 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 2: found that to be interesting because a lot of coaches 172 00:07:28,120 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: lie about that type of thing and say we're only 173 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 2: focused on our current team, and the fact that his 174 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,200 Speaker 2: team really isn't playing for much of anything meaningful right now. 175 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 2: I thought it would be interesting say like, hey, you 176 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,720 Speaker 2: keep having all these close losses that seemed like your 177 00:07:39,760 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 2: team's lacking something. Has that led to some clarity on 178 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 2: what you might be looking for in the transfer portal? 179 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 2: And a lot of people felt like that was an 180 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 2: out of pocket question after a close loss, which I 181 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 2: think we're a little bit too soft on coaches in 182 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 2: these days. I think it's fine to ask them questions 183 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: about their job, whether they won or lost their adults 184 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 2: and they're getting paid a lot to do it. But 185 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 2: he handled it great. He said, you know your question, 186 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 2: but that's not it's not on my mind right now. 187 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 2: It's not what I'm thinking. 188 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:06,239 Speaker 1: About as a coach. Ever accused you of raising your voice? 189 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: No, but I'm not really a raise my voice kind 190 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 2: of while talking to coach, and I'm kind of hard 191 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 2: to rattle in this situation. 192 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: Yeah. By the way, wouldn't it be a bigger story 193 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:18,000 Speaker 1: if we found out that coaches and their staffs weren't 194 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: starting to prepare for the opening of the transfer portal? 195 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing, right, I mean, like they all 196 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 2: lie about that. I'm like, no, we're only focused on 197 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 2: the current game ahead of us, and you're an idiot, 198 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 2: because the whole sport relies on the two weeks that 199 00:08:29,720 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 2: are about to happen here in a few weeks, and 200 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: if you're not preparing for that, then you're completely behind 201 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 2: the eight ball because everyone else is talking to agents 202 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: and all types of things, and to be honest with you, 203 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:40,880 Speaker 2: that's why I like Richard Patino. He's honest about those 204 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 2: things and his coaches show. He's like, yeah, we're talking 205 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 2: to agents already. I'm sure our guys have agents reaching 206 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 2: out to other schools trying to figure out what their 207 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 2: market's going to be. It's just the new reality of 208 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 2: the sport. But he didn't want to talk about it after. 209 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:52,679 Speaker 1: Uh, you know, I could sort of understand it was 210 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: a tough loss. Well, but perhaps I'll get a chance 211 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: to say, Heidi tonight, thank you as always, I look 212 00:08:57,559 --> 00:08:59,640 Speaker 1: forward to it. Thanks Mom, me too. That's Rick Brooring. 213 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: His site is Musketeer Report dot com. And you'll hear 214 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: them tonight NKU Radio. The Nurse taking on Purdue for 215 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,160 Speaker 1: Wayne pregame at six thirty on ESPN fifteen thirty ten. 216 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 1: And I thought that worked well. Yeah, little hiccup at first, 217 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: but that's okay, you know, this is the beta version 218 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 1: of it, right, this is and again this is live radio. 219 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:20,680 Speaker 1: This is why, this is why radio is still the 220 00:09:20,720 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: best method of content delivery. Because it's live. You get 221 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: to hear all the hiccups, you get to hear all 222 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,559 Speaker 1: the mistakes. How would you ever think about maybe taking 223 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: like guests, like callers as one stream York. How do 224 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: we do that? Think about it? All? Right, well, maybe 225 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: we'll do it. Four o'clock ESPN, fifteen thirty