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Speaker 2: my great friend Emily Sweeney, Boston Globe, Boston Globe Cold

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Speaker 2: Case Files Reporter Emily. Welcome back, Happy new year to you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, damn halaiyah, I'm doing great.

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Speaker 2: an unsolved murder that you've been taking a second look at.

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Speaker 2: Many of them are quite old, thirty forty fifty years.

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Speaker 2: This one is the exception to your cold case murders.

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Speaker 2: This one occurred in the town of the town of

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Speaker 2: She had retired from the force and they haven't figured

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Speaker 2: I read it today and I'm intrigued by it, and

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Speaker 2: Sure, absolutely, you never know who's listening, and maybe maybe

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Speaker 2: But go right ahead, Emily.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's six one seven three four three four

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Speaker 2: Okay, it's one week from January first, January eighth, So

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Speaker 2: With us is doctor Willie Jolly. He's an award winning speaker,

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Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you it's a fabulous title of a book.

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Speaker 2: doctor Willie Jolly. I'm loving it. I'm absolutely lovely your optimism.

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Speaker 2: Two, and you have a great year of very successful

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Speaker 5: Thank you. Have a great day.

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Speaker 2: Okay, we get back. Going to talk about a homeowner

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Speaker 2: Happy New Year. My first question has to be what

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Speaker 4: Sure, Hey, Dan, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 4: So max maxible space is a little playoff words on

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Speaker 4: Look, it's actually all the above. I help tons of

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Speaker 2: I know that the purpose is wonderful here, particularly if

434
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Speaker 2: you have elderly parents, but doesn't it really have a

435
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Speaker 2: long term potential impact which maybe no one can even

436
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Speaker 2: anticipate at this point.

437
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Speaker 4: So I don't know about you. I personally would love

438
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Speaker 4: to have a pizza parlor next door to me, but.

439
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Speaker 2: Well, you know, there's a whole bunch of commercially zoned

440
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Speaker 2: properties where you can live next door to a pizza

441
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Speaker 2: parlor if you want. But in my neighborhood, if you

442
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,840
Speaker 2: try to open up a pizza parlor in a residential area,

443
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Speaker 2: I know your answer. You're telling me that tongue in cheek,

444
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: and I appreciate the humor. But in point of fact,

445
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,320
Speaker 2: you can live next to a pizza parlor.

446
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 4: But that's your choice, right No, So, to answer your question, it,

447
00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 4: in theory certainly can be a slippery slope, and that

448
00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 4: really comes down to state level and local municipalities to

449
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 4: incorporate those rules and regulations in ways that they see fit.

450
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,240
Speaker 4: Just because you can add one more unit on your

451
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Speaker 4: single family lot doesn't mean overnight or even in the

452
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:12,040
Speaker 4: next twenty years, your small residential, quaint neighborhood is going

453
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:16,199
Speaker 4: to turn into rental central. All it really means is

454
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Speaker 4: that people have more autonomy over the property that they own.

455
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Speaker 4: I think a lot of the regulations that I've seen

456
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Speaker 4: being spread nationwide certainly take that into consideration and minimize

457
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Speaker 4: or rather limit the maximum size or the maximum number

458
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Speaker 4: of units on a lot to keep it from getting

459
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Speaker 4: too out of control. There have been some local municipalities

460
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Speaker 4: that's happened recently in San Diego where initially they said,

461
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Speaker 4: you know what, if you want to build ten ad

462
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:48,800
Speaker 4: us on your single family lot, just go ahead and

463
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Speaker 4: do it, and that, as you could imagine, immediately backfired.

464
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Speaker 4: It got huge pushback from homeowners and people who live

465
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Speaker 4: in the area, and they've already walked that back within

466
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Speaker 4: a matter of six twelve months. So yes, it can

467
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,880
Speaker 4: be a slippery slope, and that's why I think it's

468
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 4: so important that people get involved. They speak to their

469
00:27:08,920 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 4: local city council and talk to the states and advocate

470
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Speaker 4: for what they truly care about. And the reason that

471
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 4: ADUs are getting so popular is in areas where there

472
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 4: is a housing crisis where their affordable living is so

473
00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 4: minimal that ADUs are increasing the housing stock, adding more

474
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Speaker 4: viable living opportunities for middle class people.

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Speaker 2: No, I understand that. Do you have an ADU and

476
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: your property by the way or in your neighborhood.

477
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Speaker 4: I have tons in my neighborhood. I don't own a

478
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Speaker 4: lot myself.

479
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Speaker 2: Really, Okay, well, then it'll be interesting to talk with

480
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: you two or three years from now and find out

481
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 2: what it is it done to the to the community.

482
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 2: So you folks, maxible Space will come back to where

483
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,960
Speaker 2: we started the website. People can look it up at

484
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: maxiblespace dot com maxablspace dot com. Are you a national

485
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: company at this point? Do you actually build houses or

486
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,200
Speaker 2: are you an advocacy group for the building of these ADUs?

487
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Speaker 4: If I could ask so on a national level, we

488
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,719
Speaker 4: are a helpful resource and a guide through the process.

489
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:21,600
Speaker 4: We have e courses, we have tons of ADU house tours,

490
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 4: guide books that we've put together to really help people

491
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 4: understand what ADUs are, how they work, and how they

492
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 4: can go about the process of building them. As far

493
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 4: as my core business, we currently only operate in California,

494
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 4: where we guide homeowners hands on through every step through

495
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 4: the process. We have a network of vetted architects and contractors,

496
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 4: so we can ensure that we give them the right

497
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 4: guidance and then also give them the right people that

498
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Speaker 4: can get the job done.

499
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Speaker 2: Okay, So you you're not a five oh one C

500
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Speaker 2: three or you're not even an advocacy group. You you

501
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: have a dog in this right, financial interest in this. Okay, great, Okay.

502
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: I appreciate your your candor and honesty. Again, I told

503
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 2: my producer today, I said, you know, I'm I will

504
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: have some straightforward questions for this gentleman, and you're a

505
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 2: good sport. You answer the questions. I hope you do

506
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 2: not succeed as much as well as you would like,

507
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:22,920
Speaker 2: because I'm somebody who truly believes in local zoning laws.

508
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 2: Because that is really at least being a New Englander.

509
00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: As Robert Frost once said, good fences make good neighbors.

510
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, John. I appreciate your time tonight,

511
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,040
Speaker 2: and we'll get you back some night and have a

512
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 2: longer conversation if you'd like.

513
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Speaker 5: Thanks.

514
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Speaker 4: Thanks. I respect your position and I will still continue

515
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 4: to advocate for mine.

516
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,040
Speaker 2: I hope you do, and I'm and you do it

517
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,000
Speaker 2: very well. Thank you again. Appreciate it. John christ Co

518
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 2: CEO of maximulspace dot com. When we come back, we're

519
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 2: going to talk about the approval of the new first,

520
00:29:56,240 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: the first weight loss pill. The FDA has proved a

521
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 2: weight loss pill. Uh, and I'm a little skeptical. We're

522
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: going to talk with doctor Richard Siegel. He's the co

523
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Speaker 2: director of the Diabetes and Lipid Center at Tuff's Medical Center.

524
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: He's an end doctrinologist at the Tough Medicine Weight and

525
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: Wellness Center. So we'll get to all of that. And

526
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: as they say, when I have a question about one

527
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: of my guests and question from my guests, I try

528
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,240
Speaker 2: to ask them. I asked them as as honestly and

529
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Speaker 2: as politely as I can. John was a really good guest.

530
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Speaker 2: He could have taken offense because he might have gone

531
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Speaker 2: into this figuring that he was going to get eight

532
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Speaker 2: minutes of positive spin. That's not my style. We'll be

533
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 2: back on Night Side.

534
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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.

535
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Speaker 2: Well, welcome back everyone. We're going to talk about a

536
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: popular subject and that is weight loss. The FDA has

537
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 2: just approved a weight loss pill from a company called

538
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: Novo nor disc with us as doctor Richard Siegel, co

539
00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 2: director of the Diabetes and Lipid Center at Tough's Medical Center.

540
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 2: He's a doctrinologist at Tough's Medicine, Weight and Wellness Stoneham

541
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: and doctor Siegel. I'm surprised when I talked to my

542
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 2: producer today that someone from the medical profession would sign

543
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: off on a weight loss pill. It seems like as Americans,

544
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 2: we all are willing to take pills. But I lost

545
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Speaker 2: thirty five pounds about ten years ago with a company

546
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Speaker 2: called Awaken. One to eighty didn't involve pills, and I've

547
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 2: been able to gain that weight off for ten years.

548
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 2: Have there been any studies on if these weight loss pills,

549
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 2: once administered and effectively allow people to take off weight

550
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 2: that they that they keep the weight off.

551
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Speaker 4: So, first all, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: On, well, thanks for being on, and happy New Year.

553
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 2: And I didn't mean to hit you with a with

554
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: a right hook out of you with a bell rang,

555
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 2: but I thought we could get right to it.

556
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Speaker 4: Okay, go ahead, yes, and indeed, happy happy New Year.

557
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Speaker 4: So the most of the studies with these sorts of

558
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 4: medications tend to be relatively short and you know, they're

559
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 4: so they're looking at generally half a year to a

560
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 4: year or more. So we don't have long long term

561
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,240
Speaker 4: in terms of looking at the maintenance. But yeah, I

562
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 4: think a key message with any of these pills. I mean,

563
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Speaker 4: for many years we've had if we go back in time,

564
00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 4: we had initial pills and then this class, the GLP

565
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 4: one agonis came around about ten years ago.

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Speaker 2: Those are the ques what you're talking about that I believe.

567
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 2: If I'm wrong, please correct me. The diab diabetes pills

568
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: which have had the secondary benefit for many patients of

569
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Speaker 2: weight loss. Am I correct on that?

570
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's right. So initially, initially they were approved two

571
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Speaker 4: thousand and five for for diabetes, and then later on

572
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:08,400
Speaker 4: there was an approval for weight management. And so most

573
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Speaker 4: people have been on either a daily injection or more recently,

574
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Speaker 4: you know, weekly injections as a helper. And the way

575
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Speaker 4: I like to think of this is obesity is definitely

576
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 4: could be a chronic disease. And like any other chronic disease,

577
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Speaker 4: there is genetics, and there is an environment. And as

578
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Speaker 4: I think most people know, the environment over the last

579
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Speaker 4: twenty thirty years has been relatively more obesigenic, you know,

580
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Speaker 4: whether it's related to changes in the food industry or

581
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Speaker 4: the fact that we're sitting in front of computers all

582
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Speaker 4: the time, so it brings out, you know, a lot

583
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Speaker 4: of the weight gain. So people need help. And the

584
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Speaker 4: base of all the treatment that I use, you know,

585
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Speaker 4: whether I'm in my diabetes clinic or in our way center,

586
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 4: really still is lifestyle. But you know, many people, in

587
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 4: spite of best lifestyle are not necessarily going to get

588
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Speaker 4: where they need to be. And that's where there can

589
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 4: be a role for medication. And now we've gone from

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Speaker 4: the injectibles to approvals of the first oral which is

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Speaker 4: you know, the oral somaglatide or gov uh, and another

592
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Speaker 4: oral medication in the same class we expect, you know,

593
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Speaker 4: may get approved in the next month.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So so you gave me an answer, but I

595
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Speaker 2: just want to make sure I understand it. We don't

596
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Speaker 2: have any which is understandable. We don't have any long

597
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Speaker 2: range studies in terms of how effective these are, not

598
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Speaker 2: just in allowing people to lose weight fairly easily, but

599
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Speaker 2: whether or not the what percentage of the patients maintain

600
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Speaker 2: that weight loss? Are they are they consigned at that

601
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Speaker 2: point to take these pills for the rest of their life.

602
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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I think you know, so the many of

603
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 4: people will be on a medication like this for longer term.

604
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Speaker 4: But this is where I like to think, you know,

605
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Speaker 4: shared decision making comes in. As you know, I will see,

606
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 4: along with the rest of our our excellent team people

607
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 4: every every few months to really go over where where

608
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Speaker 4: they're at. Sure if they're still needing medication. Some people

609
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 4: will say, I don't really prefer not to be on

610
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Speaker 4: a medication. I'd like to see what will happen. We

611
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Speaker 4: do know when people come off of a medication like

612
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Speaker 4: this that there will at least be some weight regained

613
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Speaker 4: in spite of the best efforts at lifestyle. But what's

614
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Speaker 4: that in terms of what.

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Speaker 2: Well, why is that there is going to be?

616
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Speaker 4: Why is that?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? In other words, what I lost thirty five pounds

618
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Speaker 2: and I'm telling I was too five on one seventy.

619
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Speaker 2: I've not gone back up over one seventy through this

620
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Speaker 2: the program. I'm not advertising. I am od of advertising it,

621
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Speaker 2: but it's a it's a weight loss program. It's been

622
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Speaker 2: very helpful to me. There was no bounce back. It

623
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Speaker 2: wasn't as if I was at one seventy ten years

624
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Speaker 2: ago and I'm back to one eighty and I'm I'm

625
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 2: happy about it. No, I went from two oh five

626
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Speaker 2: to one seventy and I'm having gone back above one

627
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Speaker 2: seventy for ten years no.

628
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Speaker 4: Pills, which is yeah. Which to say, the maintenance effect

629
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Speaker 4: is it's a difficult thing to do, and I think

630
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Speaker 4: for a lot of people it requires a fair amount

631
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Speaker 4: of monitoring over time. And it's been shown actually a

632
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 4: significant amount of physical activity is very important for the maintenance.

633
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Speaker 2: I'm in the gym five or six I'm in the

634
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:50,920
Speaker 2: gym five or six days a week. That's part of

635
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 2: the problem, which.

636
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Speaker 4: Is yeah, and it's it's a tough thing I think

637
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Speaker 4: for a lot of people to do. I don't tell

638
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,280
Speaker 4: people necessarily you need to get to the gym, but I,

639
00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 4: you know, really want people to be active every day

640
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 4: of the week that they can.

641
00:37:04,080 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 2: Or over do things like you can do things like

642
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 2: walking or aerobics as as you mentioned. So let me

643
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 2: ask you just a quick question there. There's there's there's

644
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 2: a surgery called bariatric surgery, which I'm sure you're more

645
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: than familiar with. What do you call what do your

646
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 2: colleagues in that specialty think about the weight loss pills.

647
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Speaker 2: It would seem to me that if they become generally acceptable, Uh,

648
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Speaker 2: it would it would it would take it would take

649
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,759
Speaker 2: away their their their patient pace.

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Speaker 4: So I work with a couple of excellent bariatric surgeons

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Speaker 4: that are are weight center and I actually was speaking

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Speaker 4: with them earlier this week. You know, there is a role.

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Speaker 4: The way I guess to see this is there are

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Speaker 4: multiple tools. Some people are just not going to want

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Speaker 4: to go on to any sort of medication, and you know,

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Speaker 4: bariatric surgery is a different type of tool to help

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Speaker 4: get their their their weight down. Other people, the cost

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Speaker 4: is going to be a problem. You know, the cost

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Speaker 4: for these bills is definitely less than the the injections,

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Speaker 4: but it's still going to be out of the budget

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Speaker 4: for for many people. So for those a different type

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Speaker 4: of tool like bariatric surgery, if they qualify, and there

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Speaker 4: are certainly there are criteria for bariatric surgery that have

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Speaker 4: been accepted you know by different insurances, uh, and we

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Speaker 4: we evaluate people for that. So, UH, I think we

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Speaker 4: need to think about everything that's in the the overall

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Speaker 4: tool kit, with the base being all of the lifestyle

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Speaker 4: aspects you know, self monitoring and then helpers can include

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Speaker 4: special sorts of diets. It can include medications, it can

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Speaker 4: include regular bariatric surgery. There's now endoscopic bariatric type of

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Speaker 4: approaches including a gas balloon. Uh, you know where we're

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Speaker 4: guesstre neurologists can uh do something similar to the sleeve

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Speaker 4: guests strict to me one of the one of the

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Speaker 4: weight loss surgeries.

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Speaker 2: And so I hate to do this to you, but

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Speaker 2: I've we have run out of time. You've been a

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Speaker 2: great guest. You've you've handled tough questions and answered them directly.

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Speaker 2: And I wish your best to luck with the program

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Speaker 2: and love to have you back on at some point

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Speaker 2: in the not too distant future and talk about this

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Speaker 2: a little more.

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Speaker 4: All right, Thanks so much, Dan.

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Speaker 2: My pleasure, Doctor Richard Siegel, co director of the Diabetes

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Speaker 2: and Lipid Center at the Toughts Medical Center, and noctronologists

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Speaker 2: a tough medicine weight and wellness back on nights side. Uh,

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Speaker 2: We've got a lot to talk about. I think you

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Speaker 2: can anticipate we're going to start off and talk about

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Speaker 2: the fatal shooting in Minnesota