1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:06,320 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:08,639 Speaker 2: Boy. You know, one of the things we'd like to 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: do here on Nightside is follow up on stories. The 4 00:00:12,360 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 2: other thing which you'd like to do before we get 5 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 2: to my guests is remind you that we still have 6 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 2: openings for a couple, maybe two or three charities for 7 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: the annual night Side Charity Combine. All you have to 8 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: do is contact me and if you are a member 9 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,520 Speaker 2: or a leader in a charity, it doesn't matter the size. 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,120 Speaker 2: We'd love to give you some free publicity on Tuesday Night. 11 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:40,120 Speaker 2: Tuesday Night, December twenty third, my last night broadcast night 12 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 2: of this year. We tend to finish up on a 13 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 2: very positive note and give some publicity to anywhere from 14 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:50,599 Speaker 2: you know, fifteen or so to eighteen charities. You everybody 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: get three or four minutes to talk about their mission, 16 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 2: what they do. And all you have to do if 17 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: you want some publicity for your charity is contact me 18 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 2: at WBZ Ray at iHeartMedia dot com. If you have 19 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: any problems with the spelling of the name d A 20 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 2: N R EA, there's nothing I can do about that 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 2: at iHeartMedia dot com, or you could call Rob right 22 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: now and he'll spell it out for you if you 23 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: would like before we get our phone lines lit up. 24 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 2: And again, do not send us a suggestion that we 25 00:01:20,560 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 2: contact some charity. We don't do call outs. If you 26 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 2: represent a charity and you'll like to be on, let 27 00:01:26,440 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 2: us know and we will. We'll give you a quick rundown. 28 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:32,640 Speaker 2: I'll call you during. Leave us a daytime phone number 29 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: and I'll get to you and we'll have everybody set off. 30 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 2: It goes like it goes off like clockwork. We've done 31 00:01:37,400 --> 00:01:40,319 Speaker 2: it now for twelve years. This will be year number thirteen, 32 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 2: and it is just a it's a great program, and 33 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 2: it's a program that has helped a lot of charities 34 00:01:48,040 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 2: raise some money. At the end of the year. People 35 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 2: are figured looking for a good charity to support so 36 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:59,160 Speaker 2: they have some deductions with when the taxman comes next April, 37 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,760 Speaker 2: and some charities are looking for more volunteers. So give 38 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: you a chance of getting your charity noticed here on 39 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 2: night side Tuesday evening, December twenty third. It's as simple 40 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,919 Speaker 2: as that, and send me an email and we'll set 41 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: it up. Set up something tonight with a veterinarian here 42 00:02:18,800 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 2: in Boston, and we'll have more, that's for sure. So, 43 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 2: as I said, we like to follow on stories. And 44 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: last I guess I'm guessing it was August, maybe it 45 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 2: was a different time. We spoke with Mark and Joan Handel. 46 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 2: They live on the Cape. They live, I don't want 47 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 2: to say in the shadow of the Sagamore Bridge, but 48 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,680 Speaker 2: they live near the Sagamore Bridge, and in there lies 49 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,040 Speaker 2: the problem. There is going to be an effort to 50 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 2: fix the bridges, both the Sagamore and the Bourn It's 51 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:58,359 Speaker 2: going to take billions of dollars, and that money now 52 00:02:58,480 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 2: is tied up. The Department of Transportation here in Massachusetts 53 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 2: is trying to focus on about thirteen homeowners who live 54 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:14,680 Speaker 2: close to the Sagamore Bridge, and one of that those 55 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:18,240 Speaker 2: homes is owned by Mark and Joan Hendel. So Mark 56 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 2: and Joan, I want to have you retell your story, 57 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 2: but also tell us about the pressure that you and 58 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 2: others in your neighborhood are feeling from the Department of Transportation. 59 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,080 Speaker 2: Right now, welcome back to nights Side to both. 60 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 3: Of you, and thank you. It's very very nice of 61 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 3: you to have us back. We're pleased to be here. 62 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 3: True recamp our story we're native New Englanders. We lived 63 00:03:42,480 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 3: out of state for some time and when our children 64 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 3: grew up, we decided it was time to move back 65 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 3: to our home in New England. We both missed our family, 66 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 3: we missed the water. We're water people. And it turned 67 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 3: out there was a great opportunity here and Sagamore, and 68 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 3: that opportunity was to purchase a piece of land that 69 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 3: was offered with it came with a contract to build 70 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,480 Speaker 3: a spec house and it was just ideal for us. 71 00:04:12,520 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 3: It was the perfect location. We've always wanted to live 72 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 3: on the cape and we did it. So we pulled 73 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:22,000 Speaker 3: the trigger and in twenty twenty four we had this 74 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 3: home built for us, all kinds of customizations and things 75 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 3: that make it our forever home. In March of this year, 76 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 3: about four or five months after we had moved in, 77 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:36,119 Speaker 3: we got a knock on our door with a letter 78 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 3: saying that our home was going to be taken by 79 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 3: Eminent Domain by mass Dot because instead of fixing the 80 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 3: current bridge or making it wider or strug restructuring it, 81 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: they want to build two bridges, one of which requires 82 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 3: all of the land in our Round Hill neighborhood to 83 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,239 Speaker 3: store cranes and build cranes so that they can build 84 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 3: these bridges. At the time we've been following this, we've 85 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 3: been attending public meetings, We've been trying to get mass 86 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 3: DOT to talk to us. They are very noncommunicative, but 87 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 3: in the public meetings we've had public statements from them 88 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 3: stating they aren't rushing anyone and that they're doing the 89 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:21,359 Speaker 3: early takings because they want to give us a chance 90 00:05:22,000 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 3: to let this soak in and to find a home 91 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 3: and all this. But as you know, Dan, there's a 92 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 3: huge housing crisis on the Cape. There's no way that 93 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 3: they're going to find thirteen homes in born on this 94 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,479 Speaker 3: side of the Cape for us. And to make matters worse, 95 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 3: as I said, they've told us shovels in the ground 96 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 3: late twenty seven, early twenty eight that they're not pushing us. 97 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 3: Several of our neighbors have received their appraisals and those 98 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 3: have closing dates of January ninth, and that is let me. 99 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 2: Just make it. I just want to slowy down a 100 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 2: little bit. Your synopsis is great, spot on, But when 101 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: you say closing dates normal, when there's a real estate closing, 102 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:05,039 Speaker 2: someone has come to your home and you have had 103 00:06:05,080 --> 00:06:09,679 Speaker 2: a conversation back and forth, purchase and sale agreement. Finally, 104 00:06:09,760 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 2: you know, first and offer offers accepted, inspections, purchase and 105 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 2: sale agreement, and then the date for the closing. This 106 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:23,039 Speaker 2: is nothing like that's telling you absolutely, yeah, using the 107 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 2: word closing from for an eminent domain. And by the way, 108 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 2: you have described to me that the three homes that 109 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 2: they are for closing on immediately, you know, in January 110 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:41,480 Speaker 2: is owned by a single woman who is ninety, another 111 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 2: is on a single woman who is eighty nine, and 112 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 2: another is owned by a couple who are in their seventies. 113 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 3: Yes, so we have at an eighty year old, an 114 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,119 Speaker 3: eighty nine who's going to be ninety year old, okay, 115 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 3: and a couple in their seventies. Yeah, they have received 116 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 3: theirs already. These are the people who had their appraisers 117 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 3: out to their home in June and July. We didn't 118 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 3: have ours until October, so we have not received ours yet. 119 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 3: But we're very concerned that the timeline is being pushed 120 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 3: up and they aren't telling anyone and on the date 121 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 3: that you close, that's the word they use, even though 122 00:07:17,800 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 3: as you mentioned, it's wrong. They own the deed entitled 123 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 3: to your home. And although they've said no, we're not 124 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 3: going to kick anyone out and nobody's going to be homeless, 125 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 3: they have not even provided our neighbors, our friends with 126 00:07:32,440 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 3: a comparable home for sale that they could possibly purchase 127 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:38,880 Speaker 3: with the money that the state is giving them. Where 128 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: do they expect these people to go? And we don't 129 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 3: want this to happen to us. 130 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 2: Are they are they basing the eminent domain appraisals? Are 131 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 2: they basing those on the fair market value or that 132 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 2: are yet less than fair market value? 133 00:07:57,360 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 3: Their claim is that the law requires them to use 134 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 3: fair market value, whatever that means, which is never going 135 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 3: to be enough to compensate people. I do not have 136 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 3: any information as to how much these people have been 137 00:08:11,600 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 3: offered in comparison to what they consider the fair market 138 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 3: value or their home. But I am concerned that they 139 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 3: are speeding this up, that they are pushing people out, 140 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 3: and that they just don't have a plan. There's no 141 00:08:26,560 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 3: final plan for the bridges. The funding, as you mentioned, 142 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:32,079 Speaker 3: is in jeopardy. They have no permits, you know, I mean, 143 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 3: there's a lot of things that have to happen. 144 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: Also, by the way, just in terms of we're in 145 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 2: a housing market, which is a seller's market, meaning no, 146 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 2: if they decide they're going to give you X, and 147 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 2: you can't take that amount of money whatever X is, 148 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 2: and use that money to find an equivalent home on 149 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: Cape Cod You're going to be literally up the creek 150 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 2: without a paddle here. And prices on the Cape are 151 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 2: sky high for a whole bunch of reasons, as people retire, 152 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 2: As the Cape is a small portion of land, you 153 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 2: can only have so many properties there. I know that 154 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,600 Speaker 2: your wife, Joan is on a separate phone, So Joan, 155 00:09:23,640 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 2: I just want to get a quick comment from you. 156 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 2: How much of a you know, Mark is just I 157 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,959 Speaker 2: thought laid it out perfectly. How much of a drain 158 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: has this been on you in Mark and the other 159 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 2: people in the area, just to drain psychologically? 160 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 4: It's unbearable, absolutely unbearable. 161 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that. I think that does say it all. 162 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 4: And people have no idea, they don't have any idea 163 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 4: how psychologically impactful this is for. 164 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 5: All of us. 165 00:10:03,240 --> 00:10:07,319 Speaker 4: Mark and I are younger than eighty in ninety and 166 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 4: our dear neighbors who are in their eighties and nineties. 167 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 4: I can't even imagine, I see it. 168 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: Has anyone from the governor's office or the Lieutenant governor's office, 169 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 2: or never mind someone the governor or the Lieutenant governor 170 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 2: ever come down to one of the meetings and with 171 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,560 Speaker 2: all of you and said, gee, we know this is 172 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 2: a tough set of circumstances on everyone, but we will 173 00:10:33,240 --> 00:10:36,400 Speaker 2: we will make a more than than fear offer to 174 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:41,160 Speaker 2: you to basically, you know you, we're asking you to 175 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:44,439 Speaker 2: do something quote unquote in the interest of the public, 176 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 2: the motoring public, and you're making a sacrifice, an incredible sacrifice, 177 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 2: surrendering your home, whether it's taken from you by eminent 178 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: domain or you engage in some good faith conversation. Has 179 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,959 Speaker 2: anyone from the governor's office reached out to you and said, look, 180 00:11:01,000 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 2: would like to treat you as human beings and let's 181 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:03,880 Speaker 2: have all. 182 00:11:06,920 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 3: Now we've reached out to all of them, and we 183 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 3: have heard nothing from the governor, the Lieutenant governor, from 184 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 3: any politician. The only politician who has reacted, and he 185 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 3: reacted immediately upon hearing about it, is our state representative, 186 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 3: Steve Csarros. He came to our house within two days 187 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 3: of me emailing him about this. But we have, you know, 188 00:11:28,160 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 3: talked to all the federal representatives and senators. We've emailed 189 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:36,720 Speaker 3: the federal Department of Transportation, We've emailed that, We've talked 190 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:39,360 Speaker 3: to all kinds of people. Nobody has responded from the 191 00:11:39,360 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 3: political arena except Steve Sorrow. 192 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: So you're Congressman, Congressman Bill Keating. 193 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,800 Speaker 3: No response, Nope, No, that's correct. 194 00:11:47,080 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: Senator Warren, Senator Markeye. 195 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:53,040 Speaker 3: Correct, no response. Although Markey, he was out here a 196 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 3: couple a couple of weeks ago filming a little video 197 00:11:56,280 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 3: of himself for his Facebook page standing by the bridge, 198 00:12:00,200 --> 00:12:02,800 Speaker 3: but he didn't bother to come visit any want or 199 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 3: ask about anyone. 200 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: So use the bridge as a prop correct, So your 201 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:11,080 Speaker 2: collateral damage in a way. Look, we're going to take 202 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 2: a break. When we get back, I'm going to ask 203 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 2: your attorney, and I'm sure you may have more than 204 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: one attorney by time this is over, because there's a 205 00:12:22,600 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 2: whole bunch of battles that you'll be fighting. Phil Tracy 206 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 2: is going to join us. We'll contact him. You stay 207 00:12:28,840 --> 00:12:33,040 Speaker 2: right there, and so we'll broaden the conversation if anyone 208 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 2: would like to call. And I hope some of you 209 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 2: out there, whether you are amongst the group that is 210 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 2: impacted or somebody who's just a decent, ordinary citizen. This 211 00:12:45,000 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 2: is a multi billion, not million, multi billion dollar project, 212 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 2: and it seems to me that this state could provide 213 00:12:54,800 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 2: sufficient funds to make this horrific transition that this family 214 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:04,400 Speaker 2: and twelve other families are going to have to undergo 215 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 2: unless somehow the state can be stopped make it a 216 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: little more comfortable for them. I just don't understand the 217 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 2: lack of transparency and the lack of humanity in this situation. 218 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:20,720 Speaker 2: We'll be back on nights Side with Mark and Joan 219 00:13:21,080 --> 00:13:26,720 Speaker 2: Hendel and Hendel excuse me, Mark and Joan Hendel. Is funny. 220 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 2: I was over the Sagamore Bridge a couple of weeks ago, 221 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:32,840 Speaker 2: and with the foliage down, I was able to look 222 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:37,119 Speaker 2: down on your neighborhood. And it's a beautiful look in neighborhood. 223 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 2: I mean, anyone would love to live there. You bought 224 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 2: in good faith, and now you know, just a matter 225 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: of months later, the rug is being pulled out from 226 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:50,080 Speaker 2: beneath you. And I want my listeners here on Nightside 227 00:13:50,160 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: to join this conversation and be supportive and let the 228 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:57,319 Speaker 2: politicians know that this is the sort of things that 229 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 2: we will remember because if it can be done to 230 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,600 Speaker 2: Mark and Joan and their neighbors, it can be done 231 00:14:03,600 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 2: to anyone else. We'll be back on Night Side with 232 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: their attorney, attorney Phil Tracy, right after this. 233 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:12,559 Speaker 1: You're on Night Side with Dan Ray on w b Z, 234 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 235 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 2: All right, we are talking with Mark and Joan Himdell. 236 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 2: They live on the Cape technically inborn in the in 237 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:27,840 Speaker 2: the shadow of the Sacamore Bridge. Am I accurate on that? 238 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:31,880 Speaker 3: Mark and Joan, Yes, and they are. 239 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,880 Speaker 2: Yeah. If you drive over the bridge with the foliage down, 240 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 2: you can see their home. We're joined now by their lawyer, 241 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 2: attorney Phil Tracy. Phil Tracy, Welcome to Nightside. 242 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 6: Thanks. 243 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm Mark and Joe. 244 00:14:45,480 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: Hello. 245 00:14:46,440 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, So Phil, you're working on this case. I know 246 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 2: it's a complicated case. But how you you you normally 247 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 2: deal with with as a criminal defense lawyer, but you 248 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 2: do civil cases as well. How are you going to 249 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: push back for them against the Department of Transportation which 250 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 2: looks to me like they've adopted a steamroll of philosophy 251 00:15:13,200 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 2: that they're coming in and they're going to take the 252 00:15:16,160 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 2: properties as well. 253 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 6: There's no question that you know, this is a very 254 00:15:22,320 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 6: difficult situation, especially for Mark and Jones, because they are 255 00:15:29,240 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 6: the traditional American people. They've lived in Iowa, they've familiar 256 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 6: with New England. They wanted to sort of find their 257 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 6: end days down here, retire, and then of course this 258 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 6: comes up. Now. The problem is twofold the popular transportation 259 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:56,000 Speaker 6: has not been very careful and friendly and respective of 260 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:56,960 Speaker 6: their feelings. 261 00:15:57,480 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 3: That's one thing. 262 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 6: Now, on the other hand, and they bought the property, 263 00:16:01,400 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 6: the seller, the lawyer for the seller, the broker. Nobody 264 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 6: disclosed to them that this thing had been going on 265 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 6: for maybe ten years. I can easily remember meetings and 266 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 6: things like that that you know, the planning state. The 267 00:16:20,440 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 6: third factor, I guess is that we don't know whether 268 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:29,119 Speaker 6: or not they will be able to put the project 269 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 6: together with the federal funds. But they're trying to kick 270 00:16:33,360 --> 00:16:36,800 Speaker 6: the people off the ground, and then what if they 271 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:39,720 Speaker 6: don't do it for another ten years exactly, it's just 272 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 6: a very unfair situation. 273 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 2: Well, it seems to me to be a rush to 274 00:16:45,760 --> 00:16:50,480 Speaker 2: judgment here that they're convinced, Look, the Trump administration might 275 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 2: very well be serious on Massachusetts is not the favorite 276 00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 2: state of Donald Trump. Yeah, and so they may hold 277 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 2: in abeyance the money for these bridges and force the 278 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 2: Commonwealth to come up with the cash. And we're talking 279 00:17:08,040 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 2: about billions of dollars. Oh yeah, you know, so this 280 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 2: is this is this is a fight in the court 281 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 2: of public opinion as well as in the courts. 282 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 6: As far as I'm const agree, I agree completely. It's 283 00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 6: not fair and it's not the way citizens you know, 284 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 6: love the United States and have experience across the country. 285 00:17:31,640 --> 00:17:32,880 Speaker 3: It's just it's it's. 286 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 6: Mind boggling that they would be treated so harshly. 287 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 7: Uh. 288 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 6: They have the dream house, they love their house. 289 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 3: It's just not right. 290 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:47,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. And and what is going to make I mean 291 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 2: if if they conclude that, look, this property, this this 292 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 2: acreage is needed for the stage equipment. Uh what the 293 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 2: question then has to be what will make No one 294 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 2: is ever going to be able to replace this home 295 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 2: for Mark and Joan. Although I think you mentioned to 296 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 2: me that in the past homes have physically been moved. 297 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 2: Tell us about that if you can filter. 298 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 8: Well, I learned this from Joan that in fact, when 299 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 8: the bridge was built in nineteen thirty three to thirty five. 300 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,120 Speaker 6: There were homes that were. 301 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 7: Moved. 302 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 6: Now, the technology was probably different then, but nevertheless, all 303 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 6: of us have seen, for instance, a lighthouse or somebody 304 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:40,960 Speaker 6: has a house that's going to fall into the sea, 305 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:45,080 Speaker 6: and so you know, it can be moved. I believe 306 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:48,119 Speaker 6: it can be done, and I intend to ask the 307 00:18:48,200 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 6: Dot to consider it. And because they had their house 308 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 6: custom built for them and they liked their house, as 309 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 6: anybody would, you know, you have a house. It's not 310 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 6: like they bought a house standing house. They bought the 311 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:07,280 Speaker 6: land then built the house. And when they bought that land, 312 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 6: they should have been told. 313 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, and we, uh, you know, we believe Angel for 314 00:19:12,440 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 3: go ahead, Mark, Uh, yeah, we believe that land. 315 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 6: Because of the new bridge. 316 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 2: Okay, go ahead, Mart, we believe that's okay. 317 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 3: We believe that moving the house is the best solution 318 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:27,239 Speaker 3: because it does keep the house that we want. Uh. 319 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 3: But we have an email that we just received from 320 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 3: mash Dot that says because there is no requirement to 321 00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 3: move a home, that they have rejected our requests to 322 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 3: move our home. 323 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 6: Well, both Monk and dan I responded to the Dot today. 324 00:19:46,520 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 6: They say, I want to revisit this in detail and 325 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,479 Speaker 6: do a deep dive into what we can what we 326 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 6: can accomplish together, because as I said, it's been a 327 00:19:57,160 --> 00:20:01,120 Speaker 6: little bit difficult to deal with them because because as 328 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 6: you know, there's some elderly people that they're basically saying, 329 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 6: all right, we want your house, and we want it now, 330 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:12,239 Speaker 6: and here's whatever we decided to give you. So what 331 00:20:12,280 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 6: does an elderly per a ninety year old do in 332 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 6: that circumstance. They definitely would say I better get. 333 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 3: Out of here. 334 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,120 Speaker 2: Phil. Look, I'm glad they don't want to do. I'm 335 00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 2: glad you joined us for a few minutes here. I'm 336 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,920 Speaker 2: going to let you go. We have a newscast which 337 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 2: we have to take and when we get back, I 338 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 2: want Joan and Mark, who truly are amongst the victims. 339 00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:34,600 Speaker 2: Here are these thirteen families to talk to some of 340 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,960 Speaker 2: my callers. So we have full lines fill, including yours. 341 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,240 Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I'm gonna bid you do. You probably 342 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:42,439 Speaker 2: are somewhere in court tomorrow morning at eight o'clock, so 343 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 2: I'll let you know I will be. 344 00:20:44,480 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 6: But Mark and Joanah, they are rock solid, good people, 345 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 6: and you know it's just a shame. But all we 346 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 6: can do is fight it. 347 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 2: Well. I'm no one will fight it harder, that's for sure. 348 00:20:57,440 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: And I know that that you do a great job 349 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 2: pill appreciate your time today. Thanks Phil. Well, Rob, you 350 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 2: can take Phil down for me. We're going to take 351 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 2: a break because with the bottom of the hour mark, 352 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 2: and Joan, I want you to stay right there. We 353 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: have some phone calls. We want to talk to some 354 00:21:15,480 --> 00:21:20,120 Speaker 2: people who might be impacted or people who are just sympathetic, empathetic. 355 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 2: If it could happen to you, folks, it can happen 356 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:28,720 Speaker 2: to anyone. And there has to be parameters and restrictions 357 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 2: they placed upon the unbridled power of the state, in 358 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 2: my opinion, here if they can establish that indeed there 359 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:43,200 Speaker 2: is a need for your property, any and every compromise 360 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 2: should be on the table, up to an including moving 361 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 2: your house to a parcel of land that you will 362 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,640 Speaker 2: also have the quiet and the enjoyment that you've had 363 00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 2: now for only a few months. This cannot go unchallenged. 364 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 2: And I know that they are listeners out there saying 365 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 2: why is Dan interested in this? I'm interested in it 366 00:22:03,800 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 2: because they're listeners. And I hope all of you have 367 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:13,159 Speaker 2: some empathy because this is this is a horrific example 368 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 2: of government overreach in my opinion, and government arrogance, and 369 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: this cannot stand in this way Mark and Jones. Stay 370 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 2: right there. We'll be back with you right after the 371 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 2: news and with the callers on the line. The only 372 00:22:26,359 --> 00:22:31,160 Speaker 2: line open is six if you want to get through. 373 00:22:31,240 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 2: Coming back on Nightside. 374 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Boston's News Radio. 375 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:42,280 Speaker 2: My guest on the phone, Mark and Joan Handel. They 376 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,639 Speaker 2: live down on the Cape. They've been only there for 377 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 2: a couple of years. Their native New Englanders came back 378 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,119 Speaker 2: here a couple of years ago, bought a piece of property, 379 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 2: built a home and now they're one of thirteen homes 380 00:22:54,600 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: that the state wants to take by eminent domain, which 381 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 2: is never a pleasant prospect or project. And they have already, 382 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,360 Speaker 2: I guess, told at least three of the homeowners that 383 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,159 Speaker 2: they have decided what they will pay and that the 384 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 2: closings will occur in January, which is to me, is 385 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,359 Speaker 2: absolutely unfair. And if there ever was a case of 386 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:19,080 Speaker 2: eminent domain where people should be given, the state should 387 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,800 Speaker 2: be given giving the people a little more leeway. This 388 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 2: is it. Let me go to Karen in Stoneham. Karen 389 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 2: appreciates your waiting and you were first this hour on 390 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:35,880 Speaker 2: Night Side with Mark and Joan Hendel. Greta have Karen Okay, 391 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 2: Rob much. You put Karen on hold. I assumed that 392 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,199 Speaker 2: she knew we were coming to her. Make sure that 393 00:23:43,280 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 2: she didn't have her phone on mute, and let me 394 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 2: go to Linda in Weymouth, and we just lost Karen. Karen, 395 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 2: please call back if you'd like, Linda, Linda and Weymouth. 396 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:55,359 Speaker 5: How are you? 397 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 9: You almost lost me too because I had my questions answered. 398 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 2: Ok So that's fine. If you have a question you 399 00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 2: want to ask, go right ahead, and if they're answered, 400 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,040 Speaker 2: we'll move on. Go ahead, Linda. 401 00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 9: I just wanted to express my concern to these folks 402 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 9: and the other twelve there, and my concern was, you know, 403 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 9: push forget your house moved, you know, put that in 404 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 9: you know, I pray that the option becomes available that 405 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 9: you can move the houses to a suitable, agreeable location. 406 00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:35,840 Speaker 2: Well, apparently this was done previously. This apparently was done 407 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:38,760 Speaker 2: previously when the bridge was built back in the mid 408 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:44,119 Speaker 2: nineteen thirties. So there's a precedent. And certainly, if technically 409 00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,880 Speaker 2: it could be done in the nineteen thirties, I think 410 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:51,520 Speaker 2: it certainly should be able to be done in the 411 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 2: twenty twenties. 412 00:24:54,440 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 9: Absolutely, okay, especially you got it custom made. There so 413 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:02,160 Speaker 9: from Biels can move. 414 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 2: In all right, Thank you very much, appreciate it. Lennon 415 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:09,920 Speaker 2: good Night, six seven two five thirty six seven thirty. 416 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 2: By the way, Karen's waited for half an hour, so Karen, 417 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:17,040 Speaker 2: if you call back, we'll get you on. I have 418 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 2: no idea how that went down, but let me go 419 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 2: to Larry and Dennisport down on the Cape. Larry, you're 420 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 2: next on Night Side with Mark and Joan Hendell. 421 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 3: Thanks Dan. 422 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 10: Yeah, I heard your segment back several months ago with 423 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 10: the same couple and the frustration. I feel your pain. 424 00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 10: I went through a similar process back in the seventies 425 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 10: when I lost my business to the Chelsea fire in 426 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 10: the city of Chelsea took my land. So I understand 427 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,080 Speaker 10: what you're going through. Here's the situation, as I assessed 428 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 10: that I bought my house forty years ago in the Cape, 429 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 10: I go over the bridge as little as possible. The 430 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 10: bridge was built in the thirties with a fifty year 431 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 10: lifespan estimating a million cars a year. I think it's 432 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 10: up to thirty six million cars a year go over 433 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 10: the Cape. The bridge is already forty years overdue. They 434 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,919 Speaker 10: knew this long ago that had to be replaced. My 435 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 10: question is do you think you have any serious recourse 436 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 10: to the realtor that sold you this property, because they 437 00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 10: had to have known that this bridge was going to 438 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 10: be built, and long ago I forgot how many years 439 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 10: ago they decided they were going to build the bridge 440 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 10: on the inside of the cape, right by your property. 441 00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,439 Speaker 3: Yes, thank you for that question. That's an excellent question. 442 00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 3: And yes, we are pursuing against the realtor and the seller, 443 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 3: who both knew that this was happening. So it's what 444 00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 3: we want to do is make sure that they understand 445 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 3: what they've done to our lives and how they've ruined 446 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:55,359 Speaker 3: our lives. But we are definitely pursuing that. We know 447 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 3: that people knew around here. We had no way of 448 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 3: knowing the because we lived out of state, and so 449 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 3: that is definitely in our future. 450 00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 2: It seems to me Mark and Joan and Larry. Then 451 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 2: that's going to be a tough road because I don't 452 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 2: know if statutorily or under case law, the seller is 453 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 2: obligated to say to you, hey, and I hope they are, 454 00:27:25,119 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 2: because they certainly, from an ethical point of view, should 455 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 2: have done it. I do know that in Massachusetts, and 456 00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 2: says some law that if you are aware that someone 457 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:38,800 Speaker 2: died in a property, you have to disclose. But I 458 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 2: don't know if the individuals could say, hey, it was 459 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 2: public knowledge and they had to do I think the 460 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 2: easiest solution for everyone is for the state to do 461 00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 2: the right thing and make you happy and make the 462 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:59,639 Speaker 2: other people happy who might have purchased the property thirty 463 00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 2: or four years ago never thought that they would ever 464 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 2: be in a situation where this massive federal project is 465 00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:13,959 Speaker 2: being contemplated and worth billions and billions of dollars. Larry, 466 00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:19,520 Speaker 2: I think again that the state needs to step up. 467 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,360 Speaker 2: The state needs to step up. We can take care 468 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 2: of people coming into Massachusetts because we're a wonderful state, 469 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,719 Speaker 2: and we're a welcoming state and where all of this, 470 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 2: But when we have people who are residents here who 471 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:37,920 Speaker 2: have to basically interrupt their own lives for the common good, 472 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 2: then I think the common good should be a little 473 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 2: better to these people in question. 474 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,760 Speaker 3: Agreed, And you know, Dan, the amount of money that 475 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 3: they would have to spend to make everyone in this 476 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 3: neighborhood feel less stressed and better about this is minuscule 477 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 3: compared to the multi billion dollar price tag on this 478 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 3: thing absolutely. 479 00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,640 Speaker 2: And that's why I think that the governor the lieutenant 480 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 2: governor should be down there and meet with the people 481 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,880 Speaker 2: and tell them that they will go as far as 482 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:07,680 Speaker 2: they can go. Now they're not going to be able 483 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 2: to give. 484 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 7: Uh. 485 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 2: Let us assume that the that Mark or Joan is 486 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 2: picking a number that's X that would make them happy. 487 00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 2: I don't think that that it's reasonable for the the 488 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,760 Speaker 2: people down there to say no, I want five X 489 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 2: or ten X. I mean, you know, I talk funny money, 490 00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 2: but a reasonable figure which will one accommodate you and 491 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:36,320 Speaker 2: and and and and make you make you a whole 492 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 2: here because you're going to go through a lot of 493 00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 2: inconvenience whenever this happens. 494 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 3: And yeah, there's future mental torture. Basically every time we 495 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 3: drive over the bridge in the future, or we go 496 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 3: to market basket and see the spot where our home was, 497 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 3: that is like a PTSD waiting to happen. Okay, and yeah, 498 00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 3: but just just on Larry's comment, I just want to 499 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:01,640 Speaker 3: add really quickly, Yeah, you are not saying that nothing 500 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 3: should be done to the bridges. We one hundred percent 501 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 3: support the idea that they need to be repaired in 502 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 3: some way. To be safe. Our friends go over them, 503 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 3: our family go over them, We go over them. 504 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:15,320 Speaker 2: So yeah, absolutely you are reasonable to people. This lawyer, 505 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 2: go ahead. 506 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 3: I'd like to mention one of a flying ointment here. 507 00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,800 Speaker 3: The problem is the Army Corp of Engineers controls the 508 00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 3: canal and I think the actual bridge, the state tools 509 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 3: the highway that goes over it, and the city of 510 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,480 Speaker 3: Bourne is where the on and off ramps are. All 511 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,600 Speaker 3: these thirteen houses have to deal with all three agencies 512 00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 3: or is it just a pop now it's all of them? 513 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I'm sure that I'm sure that I would 514 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 2: assume have you received any correspondents from any agency other 515 00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,959 Speaker 2: than the promity Transportation? 516 00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:58,479 Speaker 3: No mascot is the one coordinating between all these exactly, 517 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,320 Speaker 3: they are the communicator, right. 518 00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,800 Speaker 2: But but the town of Born is not going to 519 00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 2: have the deep pockets that Massachusetts or the federal government has. 520 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,360 Speaker 2: That's reality, nor is the Army Corps of Engineers. It's 521 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 2: if you were going to be given some reasonable relief, 522 00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,960 Speaker 2: which is all you're asking for, it has to come 523 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 2: through the Governor's office because that's what the Department of 524 00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 2: Transportation reports to. Larry has always love your loyalty, to 525 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 2: night Side. You have a big heart, my friend. Thank 526 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 2: you so much. Thank you. Okay, we'll take a quick break. 527 00:31:29,920 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 2: We've got some other calls on the other side, other 528 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:35,280 Speaker 2: side of this from my guest Mark and Joan Hendel Handel. 529 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 2: We'll be back on Nightside right after this. 530 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:43,280 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Ray Boston's News Radio. 531 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 2: Back to the phones, and we're gonna try Karen and 532 00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,280 Speaker 2: Stoneham one more time. We lost it before. Karen, I 533 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 2: hope you're there now. 534 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 3: I am. I'm here, go right ahead. 535 00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 2: We're getting a little tight on time, but I want 536 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 2: to get you. 537 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:59,200 Speaker 11: You go right ahead, Okay. I'm actually Jones's sister. So 538 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 11: this is like devastating and that the town should have 539 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 11: never authorized any permit to be building on that land 540 00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 11: at all. I don't even know how that even went through. 541 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,600 Speaker 11: It's it's disgusting what they're doing. 542 00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 2: That's a very interesting point. That's a good point that 543 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 2: you're raised that they never I don't know where they'd 544 00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 2: be living now, where you know Joan and Mark would 545 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 2: be living. But but if the permit was not issued, 546 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 2: and they must have, towns should have known that the 547 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,720 Speaker 2: days were numbered on the use of this property as 548 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 2: a residential property. 549 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,320 Speaker 12: Yes, and we we are and we are Actually it's not, Karen, 550 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:41,600 Speaker 12: and I appreciate you calling in and your support. That 551 00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 12: is actually part of what we're going after because you're right. 552 00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 2: Yep, Okay, well, Karen, Look, I appreciate the time that 553 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,920 Speaker 2: you've you've spent holding on. Any other comments you'd like 554 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 2: to make, obviously, as as Jones sibling, I know where 555 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 2: your heart is and I know where your mind is. 556 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,160 Speaker 2: Any other comments you'd. 557 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,760 Speaker 11: Like to make, No, I think I just want to 558 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,680 Speaker 11: let you know she's a mass Army National God veteran 559 00:33:09,720 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 11: as well, so you know, just. 560 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, you know. 561 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 2: It's it's like Ronald Reagan used to say that the 562 00:33:19,360 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 2: scariest words were when all of a sudden someone knocks 563 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 2: on your door and they say, I'm from the government 564 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:28,680 Speaker 2: and I'm here to help you all. I can appreciate 565 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 2: you calling your patience. 566 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:30,200 Speaker 3: Thank you. 567 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,760 Speaker 2: Let me go to Susanna and Suzanne. You're next on 568 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 2: nights that we're a little tight on time. 569 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 5: You go, right ahead, Yes, I'll keep it brief. This 570 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 5: several fourth doutgee thirty eight. I've just celebrated my eighty 571 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 5: seventh birthday. 572 00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:51,840 Speaker 2: Happy birthday. What you call happy birthday? 573 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:56,120 Speaker 5: I want to say to the people affected by the 574 00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 5: Sagamore Bridge. I'm not a lawyer, but I hope that 575 00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 5: you will prevail against the forces. 576 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:08,879 Speaker 2: Well we'll we'll try to help him as much as 577 00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 2: we can. Thanks Susanna, thank you for your support, and 578 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,920 Speaker 2: happy birthday to you. All right, have a great night. 579 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 2: Let me go to Steve in Fort Evans. Steve, you 580 00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,040 Speaker 2: were next on night Side with Mark and Joan Hendel. 581 00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:26,959 Speaker 7: How are you doing daring? Thanks for taking my call. 582 00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:31,719 Speaker 7: What was a pleasure to talk the question I had? 583 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,239 Speaker 7: They mentioned earlier that they were using the in for. 584 00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 2: Uh uh you know, yes, a staging area for you know, 585 00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,960 Speaker 2: a staging area for the equipment there will be needed 586 00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 2: to to tear down one bridge and build it, build 587 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,600 Speaker 2: another bridge replacing the second. 588 00:34:56,360 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 7: In the fifth Amendment. Right, so if you go back, 589 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 7: you know, if it's not for public use, okay, the 590 00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 7: constitution permits domain. The situation's way, the acquist serves as 591 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 7: public use. If that's not serves as public used. In 592 00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 7: other words, it's neither on ramp or anything like that. 593 00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:23,800 Speaker 7: But it's just a staging area. 594 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,799 Speaker 2: Well, it's a staging area look, I don't I don't 595 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 2: know if if you're practicing law, but you may want 596 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,319 Speaker 2: to read that a little bit more carefully. If if 597 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 2: they need a space either directly underneath or adjacent to 598 00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,040 Speaker 2: the bridge. This is a monumental task that will be 599 00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 2: undertaken to replace this bridge, and it is a public 600 00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:56,080 Speaker 2: use because without the new bridge, either there will be 601 00:35:56,120 --> 00:36:00,560 Speaker 2: some collapse of the old bridge at some point or 602 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 2: it will be you know, basically, they'll they'll stop people 603 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:08,320 Speaker 2: from going over it. They'll say, look, it's now too dangerous. 604 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 2: And obviously it's needed to connect the cape to the 605 00:36:12,680 --> 00:36:15,799 Speaker 2: mainland and all of that. So there's no question there's 606 00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 2: public use, and it's it's a public project which is 607 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 2: spiking nice state money. So I think you're trying to 608 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,240 Speaker 2: be innovative, Steve, and I give you an a plus 609 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:30,200 Speaker 2: on innovation, but I don't think unfortunately, it's going to work. 610 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 7: Okay, Well, well listen, I'll tell you what. I'll stand 611 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,920 Speaker 7: out one of those bulldozers for that family if it 612 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,120 Speaker 7: comes to it, and then thank you. First off, I'll 613 00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:49,040 Speaker 7: call uncle what's his name there, you know, and have 614 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 7: him try to stop it. 615 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 2: I have no idea who you're talking about but doing 616 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,560 Speaker 2: me a favor. I don't want to see you. I 617 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:58,760 Speaker 2: don't want to see you arrested. Okay, thanks very much, Steve, 618 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:04,480 Speaker 2: Thank you, Mark, Mark, and Joan. I hope tonight has 619 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 2: helped a little bit in making people aware of what's 620 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 2: going on. I wished more of your neighbors would have 621 00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 2: taken the time to stand with you. I think that 622 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 2: you are, as I said to Mark today, sticking your 623 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,240 Speaker 2: head above the foxhole. And I think the other neighbors 624 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:26,680 Speaker 2: who are similarly situated should should, should use your courage 625 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 2: as an example, because if they all go quietly into 626 00:37:30,040 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 2: that good night, no one will notice. And I admire you. 627 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,560 Speaker 2: I admire your courage, and please keep us posted on 628 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 2: this and I hope that at some point we can 629 00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:43,920 Speaker 2: we can get a get a solution which is going 630 00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,120 Speaker 2: to be acceptable to you. 631 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 12: Above all, Yes, and our neighbors are standing and they 632 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:49,760 Speaker 12: are fighting as well. 633 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 5: We're very close. 634 00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,400 Speaker 2: No, I understand, but they could have they could have 635 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,240 Speaker 2: joined the conversation tonight, as I expressed the Mark today, 636 00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:01,120 Speaker 2: Because the fight right now is not in a court 637 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,319 Speaker 2: of law. The fight on nightside is in the court 638 00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:06,440 Speaker 2: of public opinion, and the court of public opinion is 639 00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 2: a very important court in Massachusetts. 640 00:38:09,840 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 3: Thank you, Mark, appreciate your continued support on this, and 641 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 3: we appreciate your having us as guests again and we 642 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,359 Speaker 3: appreciate how much this means to you, and so thank 643 00:38:19,400 --> 00:38:19,960 Speaker 3: you well. 644 00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:23,480 Speaker 2: My pleasure and please I like to fight on behalf 645 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:27,799 Speaker 2: of people and use my microphone, particularly for those who 646 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,120 Speaker 2: are who are being rolled over. If not physically read 647 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:40,920 Speaker 2: uh yeah red figuratively uh in actuality I was I 648 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 2: was reaching for. So stay stay strong and keep keep 649 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,239 Speaker 2: us posted. Okay, thank you, Mark, have a great night. 650 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 2: Good night. When we get back, we're going to talk 651 00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,320 Speaker 2: about a little a bit of a dust up in Debta, Massachusetts, 652 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:57,320 Speaker 2: where a Catholic priest has decided to turn a Nativity 653 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,920 Speaker 2: scene into a political statement. I'm troubled by it. Some 654 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 2: people support it. Love to know what you think. Coming 655 00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 2: back on Nightside,