1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:03,920 Speaker 1: KF I am six forty. You're listening to Dean Sharp, 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: The House Whisper on demand on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 2: Good morning, my friend, Welcome home. 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: I am Dean Sharp aka the House Whisper, custom home Builder, 5 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: custom home Designer, and every week your guide to better 6 00:00:26,160 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 1: understanding that place where you live. Whether home for you 7 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: is a castle, congratulations or a cottage that's great, that's 8 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: what I live in. It doesn't matter, you know why, 9 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 1: because it's not luxury that makes a great home. It 10 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:47,159 Speaker 1: is design that matters most. And every house can have 11 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: great design. Every house deserves it. Every house can be 12 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: transformed from what it is wherever it is, however it is, 13 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: into an extraordinary home. We just have to find the path, 14 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: and once we find that path, then it becomes the 15 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 1: thing that drives us forward and we find our way home. 16 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: That's just the way it works. Great design is what 17 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: it's all about, and I'm here to help you with it. 18 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: I'm here to help you with that and everything down 19 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: to taking care of every detail of the great house 20 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: that you've got. That's that's why one of the benefits 21 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: of having at least two very different people live inside 22 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 1: my head, a builder and a home designer, somebody who 23 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: loves getting out the saw and the hammer and the 24 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: tools and the architect in me. And so all of 25 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: this works together for your benefit because it means that 26 00:01:47,640 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: we can talk about anything you want to talk about 27 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: regarding your home. And of course you know Saturday morning, 28 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: so it is an all calls Saturday. That's what we 29 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:01,360 Speaker 1: do here on Saturday morning. You get to set the 30 00:02:01,360 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: agenda for the show. So let me give you the 31 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 1: number to call. The number to reach me eight three 32 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: three two. Ask Dean. It's just that simple to ask 33 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: Dean eight three three the numeral two and then you 34 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: just spell out ask Dean eight three three two. Ask Dean. 35 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:24,000 Speaker 1: Whatever has you scratching your head about your home, whether 36 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: it's design, construction, DIY, questions inside stuff, outside stuff, landscape 37 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: decor I got you. We will put our heads together 38 00:02:33,680 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: and we will get it figured out. Traffic is always 39 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: light on the phone boards of six o'clock Pacific time 40 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,839 Speaker 1: in the morning. But I'm just telling you as soon 41 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: Usually when I ask for it and people get rolling 42 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 1: with it, then we get more calls than I can handle. 43 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: So right now, while calls are light, now is your 44 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: chance to give me a call, and I'm just gonna 45 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: sit here and talk to my friends and your friends 46 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:02,960 Speaker 1: until the time come to turn to the phones. Tina 47 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:06,440 Speaker 1: is sleeping in this morning. She had a late night 48 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 1: last night, and uh and so we may be hearing 49 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: from her a little later this morning. But all is well, 50 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: All is well. She's just catching a few extra disease. 51 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: But I'll tell you, who is it? Sam? 52 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 2: How you doing? Bud okay? Never mind? Seem also sleeping. No, No, 53 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,560 Speaker 2: I'm here, I'm here. Hi everybody? Oh, and are not 54 00:03:28,600 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 2: so live? 55 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: Studio audience is up and at him. 56 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 3: I slept early tonight. Actually this was last night. It 57 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 3: was a good night's sleep for me. I feel fantastic today. 58 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: Well that's good. But you know what, my or ring 59 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: I got one of those or rings. Tina got me 60 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 1: one of those ore rings that you know, monitors your 61 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: sleep and everything else about you. Uh in and sometimes 62 00:03:50,560 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: in an annoying way. But uh my, no, my ora 63 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: ring told me. Despite the fact that I was groggy 64 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 1: when I get up this morning, he was like, no, 65 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:57,720 Speaker 1: you slept well. 66 00:03:57,880 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 2: You slept well. So I'm like, good, I'll take your word. 67 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 2: I guess I'm good. So there we go. Heather Brooker. Hello, 68 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 2: good morning, Hello, good morning to you. How are you. 69 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: I'm good. How are things good? Newsroom? 70 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 4: Well, I was very a little frustrated this morning because 71 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 4: our brand new, fancy space Age coffee machine is not working. 72 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's like so technical, you have it does 73 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:27,880 Speaker 4: like its own self cleaning and adding water and all 74 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 4: this stuff. Well, it's been stuck on like self cleaning 75 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 4: for a while, so we're operating on low to no 76 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 4: coffee this morning. 77 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 2: Oh no, send coffee. Okay, Hi, here you go. 78 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,280 Speaker 4: Oh my god, that sounds Why can I smell that 79 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 4: through the micro It smells like it smells sounds really good. 80 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:53,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great. Our astronauts came home. He did you watch? 81 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I am. I'm a total nerd. 82 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,400 Speaker 1: Everybody knows that. Oh my gosh, science nerd. I actually 83 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:05,480 Speaker 1: set myself of an alarm to to watch it. Say 84 00:05:05,560 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: hey at four I think at four fifteen yesterday afternoon, 85 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,520 Speaker 1: I started watching all the stuff, you know, watching them 86 00:05:13,560 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 1: disconnect from the crew module in orbit and then reorient. 87 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 2: And then start to come through the atmosphere. I just 88 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:22,039 Speaker 2: dig that stuff. 89 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 1: I don't know if I it's just because I was 90 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: actually alive when the Apollo missions happened. 91 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:28,600 Speaker 2: Are you you were? 92 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 4: Not? 93 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: Are you were? I was? Now are you gen X? 94 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 2: I am? 95 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: Oh okay, oh thanks for thinking that I'm not well, 96 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,799 Speaker 1: I was like, wad I think I'm a millennial. 97 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,320 Speaker 4: I don't think I thought that we were alive as 98 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,840 Speaker 4: as gen xers during Apollo. But maybe it's a longer 99 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 4: swath of time than I think. 100 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I'm it's a lot. Good morning to you, Dean. 101 00:05:53,000 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 2: Oh my, yeah. Gen X technically stretches off in the sixties, right, yes, yeah, yeah. 102 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:04,440 Speaker 4: Well, I I'm also like you, a big space nerd, 103 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 4: and I watch the whole time. And the part that 104 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 4: makes me the most nervous is when they lose contact, 105 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:13,080 Speaker 4: when they go radio silent during the re entry portion. 106 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 4: That's the part that always makes me the most nervous. Yeah, 107 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 4: in the blackout, Yeah, and right is they're about to land, 108 00:06:20,880 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 4: because you know, it's it's just so nerve wracking but 109 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 4: so exciting to watch. 110 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's that it's almost like, you know, you write 111 00:06:29,400 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: it dramatically the whole thing that you know, oh, there's 112 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: going to be a blackout as they go through the burn, 113 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 1: We're not going to know anything, and then all of 114 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: a sudden, on the other side, after six minutes of BLACKOUTO, hey, 115 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 1: we're popped. 116 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: Out and the shoots are open. Hi, here we are. 117 00:06:45,000 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 2: Here's or you don't. That's the thing. You go through 118 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 2: the burn. 119 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:51,400 Speaker 1: If something goes wrong in the burn, in the re 120 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,760 Speaker 1: entry burn, nothing comes out the other side. 121 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:54,040 Speaker 5: No. 122 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 4: No, My husband goes, what superpowers do you think they 123 00:06:57,240 --> 00:07:00,400 Speaker 4: got when they when they were slink shotting around the moon? 124 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 2: I was like, I was doing on the backside, what 125 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 2: did they get? 126 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 4: Like what if there was some kind of like Gamma 127 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 4: ray something and they all come back and they're like, 128 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 4: you know they can teleport. 129 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: I don't know. 130 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 4: I guess we'll find out. 131 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 1: You know, I think your husband's been watching a little 132 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: too much Fantastic for there. 133 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 2: That's true, that's there. 134 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: You go, Well, I'm excited about it because this is 135 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 1: like another major push. While I was waiting, I was 136 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,160 Speaker 1: looking at other NASA videos about how much they're ramped 137 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: up the Prime. I mean, they are serious. There's there's 138 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: going to be like a mission every six months for 139 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: the next decade. 140 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 4: That's amazing. That's amazing, And honestly, it just felt really 141 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 4: nice to to for the whole like sort of country 142 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,920 Speaker 4: and world to like pause for a second and be 143 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 4: united in this moment of like, you know, joy and epic. 144 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,680 Speaker 4: We're all just rooting for something positive for a moment, 145 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 4: and like, it just felt really nice to have that 146 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 4: shared experience because there were just millions of people around 147 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:58,520 Speaker 4: the world. 148 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 2: Watching absolutely absolutely it makes you just thank you. Jeez. 149 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 5: You know. 150 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 1: That's well, that's it. You know, we'll talk about a 151 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: little bit on the other side of the brink. That 152 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: that perspective that you get when you are so far 153 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,920 Speaker 1: away from the earth that you can see everything you've 154 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: ever known of human civilization in one glance. 155 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: It changes people. Anyway. 156 00:08:18,680 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: I should let you do the news and then when 157 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: we come back and everybody else, Hey, the number eight 158 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: three three two, Ask Dean, let's talk about your home. 159 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,200 Speaker 1: We will do it. Dean Sharp, the house whisperer, here 160 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 1: to help you take your home to the next level. 161 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:37,079 Speaker 1: Good morning, my friend, how are you doing? We are 162 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: here to help. It is an all calls Saturday morning. 163 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 1: The number two Reach me eight three three two. Ask 164 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: Dean eight three three the numeral two. Ask Dean. We've 165 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: got a call on the board. So let's go to 166 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 1: the phones and talk to Dave. Hey, Dave, welcome home. 167 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:00,920 Speaker 5: Thank you, Dean. Dean. My question is is we're having 168 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 5: a porch put up and the posts are four x six, 169 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 5: just nice beefy pieces of lumber. The design that my 170 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 5: wife thought was to stain the entry posts and header 171 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:15,520 Speaker 5: and then paint the others. And now that we've stained 172 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 5: the posts, they're gorgeous and we just want to have 173 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 5: the whole thing stained. But the other posts already have 174 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 5: kills on it that that stain block stuff. Can we 175 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 5: stand that off and restain or sand blasted or door door? 176 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 5: Are we kind of stuck with your thoughts? 177 00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 2: Okay? 178 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: So so uh it sounds like you guys, are you know, 179 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: approaching it wisely? So kills Just so everybody else knows, 180 00:09:39,240 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: is a is a kind of a prime it's a primer. Uh, 181 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: it's a kind of a multi purpose primer. So it's 182 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: not paint yet. You know, a primer is a paint 183 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: without any resins in it, and it's so it's very 184 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 1: open porous. The idea is that it grips onto the 185 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: wood and then paint grips onto it. So you pre 186 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: primed that wood, but now that you've seen how gorgeous 187 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:05,079 Speaker 1: the posts are, you want that bear wood again. 188 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 2: I get it. 189 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, there are two ways to go about it that 190 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: I do not sand blast. Don't sand blast number one. 191 00:10:15,280 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 1: It's pricey and just for the little bit of stuff 192 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: that you've got to do, if just that front porch area. 193 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: Number two, sand blasting will change the texture of the 194 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: wood so well. I'll put it this way. If you 195 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,560 Speaker 1: sand blast the upper beams, then you got to sand 196 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: blast the posts and start over there again too, because 197 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: the sand blasted wood is pitted, okay, and that's a look. 198 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:43,839 Speaker 1: Some people like that look. Sometimes we do it intentionally, 199 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: but it's not the smooth wood grain that that you're 200 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 1: looking at on the posts right now. And sand blasted 201 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: exterior wood is always problematic down the road because you know, 202 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 1: you're creating a lot of porosity in the wood and 203 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: so they you know, moisture, intrusion, all that kind of stuff. 204 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 1: It's not ideal. It's not the ideal. It will take 205 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:11,120 Speaker 1: more maintenance down the road with a sand blasted surface 206 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: than if you keep the smooth woods. So putting sand 207 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 1: blasting aside, because it's going to change the texture of 208 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: the two woods, and you don't want that, then you're 209 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 1: left with the other options for paint removal. Sometimes a 210 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: heat gun is a great way to pull paint off. 211 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: It's not a great way to pull primer off because 212 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: because a heat gun really works on more than anything, 213 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: the resins in the paint to kind of make it 214 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:47,320 Speaker 1: peel and pull away, and the kills. Like I said, 215 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: no resins in the kills. It's just open and absorbed in. 216 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,319 Speaker 1: So I think your best bet is sanding. I think 217 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:59,720 Speaker 1: your best bet is just sanding past the kills, get 218 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:03,040 Speaker 1: back to the natural grain of the wood, and then 219 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: you're you know, then you're good to go because you're 220 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 1: at ground zero. 221 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 2: Again. 222 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: A chemical is tricky and it's gonna be messy and 223 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: also inevitably if you've got to follow every little instruction 224 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: about rinsing after you use a chemical agent to pull 225 00:12:20,720 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: off paint. I've seen so many people do it because 226 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: of the convenience. You know, you wipe on the gel, 227 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: you come back and the paint's just wanting to fall off. 228 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: The problem with that is, though they don't do enough 229 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 1: of the rinsing on the backside, because if you leave 230 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:41,120 Speaker 1: that chemical agent active, which each paint, then whatever you 231 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: put on next gets eaten, and and you don't get 232 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:48,040 Speaker 1: a good bond. So none of those things are bad ideas. 233 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:51,080 Speaker 1: They just involve a heck of a lot more than 234 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,319 Speaker 1: if you it would just be simpler. I think to 235 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: get up there and sand through the kills. 236 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 5: Now, would you suggest a belt sanders? I've got like 237 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,079 Speaker 5: eleven foot sections, and then what grit would you suggest 238 00:13:05,120 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 5: I start with? And what grit would you suggest I 239 00:13:07,360 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 5: finish with? 240 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to be aggressive at first, not crazy aggressive, 241 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: so I'd probably go with a sixty or eighty grit. 242 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,400 Speaker 1: A belt sander is fine as long as you've got 243 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 1: good control over it. You don't want to, you know, 244 00:13:22,320 --> 00:13:25,080 Speaker 1: gouge it, and I don't know about holding it up 245 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:27,320 Speaker 1: over your head for an extended period of time. I 246 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: know it's not going to be a pleasant either way. 247 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: But belt sander or an orbital sander. Sometimes you can 248 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:37,320 Speaker 1: get you know, more action with an orbital sander, just 249 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,360 Speaker 1: because it's easier on your arm. But a belt sander 250 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 1: is going to be the most aggressive as long as 251 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 1: you can move it smoothly, keep it moving so you 252 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:49,080 Speaker 1: don't gouge and dig in anywhere. Start with a heavier grit. 253 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: This is the way we always finish. Would start with 254 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 1: a heavier grit that'll dig down in like a sixty 255 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 1: grit or an eighty grit that'll get through that kills 256 00:13:57,800 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: as quickly as possible, and then back out and resand 257 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: it with a couple of successive layers of finer grit, 258 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: maybe end up at one hundred or so grit for 259 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: a final pass through, and then you're going to have 260 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: a nice, smooth, finished wood surface, just like the posts were. 261 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: Very good. 262 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 5: Dean, thank you for all your help. My wife's going 263 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 5: to be thrilled. 264 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: Dave, thank you for the question and the call, my friend, 265 00:14:25,680 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: and good luck on that. I'm glad that I love 266 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: the idea that you guys are had a plan and 267 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:35,280 Speaker 1: that you're moving forward and then you see it evolve 268 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: and suddenly you're like, oh no, we should do that everywhere, 269 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: even though it means a little extra work and backing up, 270 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: I love that design matters most to you in that situation, 271 00:14:46,720 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: and believe me, I think you're right. If you see it, 272 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: you know it's good and you're going to reap the 273 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: benefits of the extra labor that it creates. So good 274 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,400 Speaker 1: luck with that. All right, y'all, we need more calls 275 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:02,560 Speaker 1: on the board. The number to reach me eight three 276 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:06,440 Speaker 1: three two. Ask Dean eight three three the numeral two 277 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: ask Dean your home with Dean Sharp, the House Whisper. 278 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 5: You're listening to Home with Dean Sharp on demand from 279 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 5: KFI A M six forty. 280 00:15:18,000 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 1: Dean Sharp, the House Whisper here to help you transform 281 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: your ordinary house into an extraordinary home. I was just 282 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: looking at some more information on the Artemis program here. 283 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: Heather and I were talking about it earlier. Heather, the 284 00:15:31,400 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: thing I was mentioning, I don't know if you can 285 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: hear me. Are you with me? 286 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 5: No? 287 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 3: She stepped away. Actually she's walking right back right now. Yeah, Ken, 288 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 3: I'm paying attention to the artemist stuff too. It's a 289 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 3: fascinating to me. 290 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 2: Yeah. 291 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 1: The that that perspective that we were talking about earlier, 292 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: it just slipped my mind for a second. But it's 293 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: called the overview effect. The overview effect is what many, 294 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,360 Speaker 1: if not most, astronauts experience when they get away from 295 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: the planet and they look back down at the Earth 296 00:16:04,440 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: and they just see, hanging in the blackness of space, 297 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: this tiny blue marble that we live on, they look 298 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 1: at the land and they see it for what it 299 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: really is, which is, you know, land masses with no 300 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 1: lines on them, no borders anywhere. Those are all human 301 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:26,400 Speaker 1: inventions that we, you know, draw on our own imagination 302 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:32,000 Speaker 1: to separate ourselves one from another. And astronauts just just 303 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: describe this sense of overwhelming awe and they and most 304 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:41,200 Speaker 1: astronauts report coming back from space with this sense of 305 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: unity and a desire for mankind to just unify itself 306 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 1: and to you know, can't we all just get along? 307 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 2: And I love that. 308 00:16:51,560 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: I wish that the space program would develop to the 309 00:16:55,840 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 1: point where we could make it mandatory for every a Maria, 310 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:03,120 Speaker 1: every human being should should go up and take one 311 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,480 Speaker 1: orbit around the planet. If that's what that does to you, 312 00:17:06,840 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: we all need to do it. 313 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 4: I feel that way too when we look at even 314 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:13,400 Speaker 4: just looking at some photographs or or you know, any 315 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 4: video or images that they're able to send back, it 316 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 4: sort of puts things in perspective of how small we 317 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 4: really are. We're just such a small part of this massive, 318 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 4: large Earth and universe, and you know, it's just all 319 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 4: all the images are just so incredible to watch, and 320 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:33,879 Speaker 4: it really does put put things in perspective, I'm looking 321 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 4: forward to you today when them hopefully they'll make some 322 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:39,399 Speaker 4: sort of press have a press conference or something today 323 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,639 Speaker 4: and the astronauts will speak. We're kind of keeping an 324 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 4: eye out for that because I'd love to hear it 325 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,920 Speaker 4: seemed like they were having fun, Like did you notice 326 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 4: they were kind of like making jokes every once in 327 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 4: a while, Like they slip in some funny little humor moments, 328 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 4: Like one of the control people said, amaze, amazed, amaze 329 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 4: when they're on a project tail Mary, and I was like, oh, 330 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 4: I love that little astronaut humor, little little nerdy stuff there. 331 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 1: So it also makes me feel better when I hear 332 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 1: them talking back and forth and that nobody's worried about anything. 333 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, everything was going around. 334 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, one of the astronaut says, we got a great 335 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 4: view of the moon, you know, as we're from a 336 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:19,680 Speaker 4: different you know, as they were coming back to Earth day, 337 00:18:19,640 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 4: we're looking back now at the moon and. 338 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, a little different than yesterday's view of the moon. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 339 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 2: exactly exactly. Yeah. 340 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:29,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so good, it's so good. Oh all right, okay, 341 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: we got to go to the phones. Let's talk to Bob. Hey, Bob, 342 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:35,840 Speaker 1: welcome home. 343 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, good morning. Yeah, I just have a question. We're 344 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 6: remodeling the nineteen thirties house. The counter is very thin. 345 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:48,239 Speaker 6: It's not twenty four inch standard. We don't really have 346 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 6: room to put in a vent for a dishwasher. I 347 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 6: just want you to just talk about the need for 348 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 6: it or not for. 349 00:18:55,960 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 1: It, okay, So, okay, dishwasher. And when you say the 350 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 1: counter is thin, so it's a house built in the thirties, 351 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 1: And so your cabinets are not twenty four inches deep? 352 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 6: Yeah, there were twenty two, little shy at twenty two okay, 353 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 6: And there was no dishwasher. 354 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 2: There was no Yeah, obviously there was no dishwasher. And so. 355 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 1: What wall is all of this backing up to. Is 356 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 1: it an exterior wall? Is it an interior wall? 357 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 6: It is an exterior. 358 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: Wall, okay, all right? And how close to the sink 359 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: are we? 360 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 6: Dishwasher will be helendap right next to the sink. 361 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,040 Speaker 2: Right next to the sink. 362 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:48,680 Speaker 1: So as far as an air gap is concerned, which 363 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 1: is the standard drainage venting for a dishwasher? I mean, 364 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:59,000 Speaker 1: how so you've got shallow cabinets, are you just gonna 365 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: have the dishwasher sticking out a little bit proud of 366 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: the cabinet tree. Was is that the plan at this point? 367 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 5: I found. 368 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 6: It's a small dishwasher and the minimum space is twenty 369 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 6: two inches. 370 00:20:13,080 --> 00:20:15,640 Speaker 1: Okay, so you've got one. You've got one that's that's 371 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: tight enough. That's that's going to slide in there. Where 372 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:22,440 Speaker 1: does the hose, the drain hose emerge. 373 00:20:21,960 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 2: From the side. Is it sticking out? 374 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,879 Speaker 1: Is it coming out the back proud or is it 375 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,119 Speaker 1: you know, kind of it's at it's at the back, 376 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: but it's a long side and can move to the 377 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 1: side without creating any additional space. 378 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 6: Correct, There's a cutout in the dishwasher that you know, 379 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 6: put the hose in, so it does not add any 380 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 6: more need for space. 381 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 1: Okay, So all you need to do then is you're 382 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,840 Speaker 1: going to run that to the side through the cabinet 383 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 1: wall into the under sync compartment and then connect that 384 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,440 Speaker 1: to the drain under the sink via an air gap 385 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,600 Speaker 1: that's sitting on top of the count at the sink. 386 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,879 Speaker 1: You don't need any additional space for venting. 387 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 6: There, right, we're trying not to use an air gap. 388 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:13,320 Speaker 1: I ah, Okay, So now we get to it. Okay, 389 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,520 Speaker 1: all right, I'm good, all right. So here's the thing, Bob. 390 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 1: You hang tight. We're going to go to a break 391 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 1: and we come back. I'm going to discuss how dishwashers. 392 00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: By the way, are you here in SoCal or somewhere else? Yeah, okay, 393 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,720 Speaker 1: I'm going to discuss how dishwashers can be drained without 394 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 1: the use of an air gap. Whether it's a great idea, 395 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: a good idea, a legal idea. Let's talk about that 396 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: right on the other side, because it is an interesting one. 397 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:45,600 Speaker 1: So you hang tight and we'll pick it up on 398 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:48,359 Speaker 1: the other side. Everybody, you are home with Dean Sharp 399 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: the house whisper. 400 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 2: Dean Sharp, the House whisper. Welcome home. 401 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: I'm here to remind you every home deserves great design, 402 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:02,480 Speaker 1: especially your because you live your life in it, my friend, 403 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 1: and we're here to help you make that happen, as 404 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: well as fix and maintain and build your dream home. 405 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: We're about all of it here on the program. It 406 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,879 Speaker 1: is an all calls Saturday morning, so you get to 407 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 1: tell me what the show is about today. Here is 408 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:23,240 Speaker 1: the number to reach me eight three three two ask 409 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:27,120 Speaker 1: Dean eight three three The numeral to ask Dean. We've 410 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 1: got room on the callboard for you. Give me a call. 411 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,280 Speaker 1: Whatever's got you scratching your head about your home, we 412 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: will figure it out, all right. I hung on to Bob. Bob, 413 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 1: you're still with me? 414 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 6: Yes, I am all right. 415 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: Appreciate you hanging on through the break. Bob's got a 416 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: house that was built in the thirties. He's got a 417 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 1: couple of challenges in the kitchen. Number one, the existing 418 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:54,280 Speaker 1: counters a cabinet tree is not full, twenty four inches deep, 419 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: about twenty two inches deep, not unheard of back in 420 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: the day. You're like thinking, wait, you can't fit the 421 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: right appliances in there. That's exactly what Bob is coming 422 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: up against, because you know, the right appliance is like 423 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 1: a dishwasher. Well, there weren't any dishwashers that went under 424 00:23:12,560 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: the counter in the nineteen thirty so nobody was worried 425 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: about that. But Bob has found himself a dishwasher that 426 00:23:18,359 --> 00:23:22,160 Speaker 1: comes just shy of the dimension that he can fit 427 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: into this cabinet. But also there's the issue of draining 428 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,360 Speaker 1: the dishwasher, which of course usually comes from a discharge 429 00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: hose that runs off the side of the dishwasher. You 430 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:37,760 Speaker 1: punch through a hole in the cabinet so that you 431 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: get underneath the sink and you connect it to the 432 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: sink drain. Now, code, the building code requires that a 433 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 1: dishwasher be drained with what's called an air gap. And 434 00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: those of you who have always wondered, you knew it 435 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: was hooked up to the dishwasher, and you knew it 436 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 1: had something to do with it. But next to your 437 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,439 Speaker 1: faucet on the countertop or sticking out of that third 438 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 1: hole in the sink is that little, you know, chrome 439 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,520 Speaker 1: cylinder that comes up about three inches with a cap 440 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,840 Speaker 1: on it, and it gurgles when the dishwasher drains. That's 441 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: an air gap. And an air gap is very simply 442 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,400 Speaker 1: a place where the drain line, the discharge line from 443 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:32,200 Speaker 1: the dishwasher drains, it rises up to that air gap. 444 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: There's an open air gap, hence the air gap before 445 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: the water then drains down into the actual sink drain. 446 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: And the reason the air gap is there, it's not 447 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:50,919 Speaker 1: because there's any vacuum issues, but the air gap is 448 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,520 Speaker 1: there so that water from the sink if the sink 449 00:24:55,640 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: backs up, Okay, water from the sink will ever flow 450 00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: back into the hose and contaminate what's going on inside 451 00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: the dishwasher. So who knows what kind of yucky weirdness 452 00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,199 Speaker 1: of water and or potentially dangerous, you know, kind of 453 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 1: sewage water could end up in the sink because we 454 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: do all sorts of things in the sink. We wrench 455 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: out our paintbrushes in the sink and so on. So 456 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: we don't want that water. If there's a clog, or 457 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: if there's God forbid, a sewer backup that comes all 458 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: the way back up your home line into the sink, 459 00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:38,080 Speaker 1: we don't want that lot that sewage going back into 460 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:41,680 Speaker 1: and flowing down into the dishwasher discharge pipe and then 461 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:46,840 Speaker 1: sitting secretly in the dishwasher where then it contaminates all 462 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: of our dishes. Hence the air gap, because what will 463 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,200 Speaker 1: happen is if there is a severe backup of either, 464 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 1: then that air gap means that the sewage would actually 465 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 1: the contamin dominated water would actually emerge from there and 466 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 1: go back into the sink and not actually go down 467 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 1: the dishwasher line. However, air gaps are they're not pretty, 468 00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: they're not sexy, and and there are times when a 469 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: lot of folks simply don't want to put an air 470 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:21,359 Speaker 1: gap in. 471 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 2: Okay. 472 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: State building codes override the Uniform Building Code, the International 473 00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: Building Code, because states ultimately have the right to write 474 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:40,120 Speaker 1: codes however they want. They adopt the International Building Code 475 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 1: every state, every county and municipality, and then and then 476 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,239 Speaker 1: they can override it or add to it, and so 477 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:51,800 Speaker 1: on and so forth. There are some states in which 478 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:56,439 Speaker 1: it is okay to not have an air gap. And 479 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:59,480 Speaker 1: what you do is you use a high loop. And 480 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: that's simple. Means, Bob, that the drain hose first goes 481 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: all the way up. I mean you run it all 482 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,280 Speaker 1: you connect it and extend it all the way up 483 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:15,680 Speaker 1: so that it loops right underneath the countertop. Okay, So 484 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 1: you literally attach it to the lower side of the 485 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: subtop that is your counter so that loop is bending 486 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: and then heading back down to the drain connection right there. 487 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 1: It's called a high loop. Okay. There's also a device 488 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 1: out there called Johnson valve, which is kind of an 489 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: air gap that you can mount into the wall since 490 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,320 Speaker 1: it's an exterior wall, and that thing will air gap 491 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: and vent to the outside of the house. Okay, not 492 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,639 Speaker 1: an air gap on top of the sink. Countertop, but 493 00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:54,000 Speaker 1: to the outside of the house, up higher in the wall. 494 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:59,879 Speaker 1: Both of those things are currently not approved in this 495 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: state of California. Other states approve them, but not California. Why, 496 00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,919 Speaker 1: you know, because California is comfortable with the air gap 497 00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: rule as written and they chose not to mess with it. 498 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 1: So I tell you that qualifiedly, because I don't want 499 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 1: to be giving you advice that is against the law 500 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 1: in your state. But I am telling you that lots 501 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:31,120 Speaker 1: of successful dishwashers have high loops and use the Johnson 502 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:34,239 Speaker 1: valve as opposed to an air gap. You look up 503 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: the Johnson value, you'll see what that's all about. And 504 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: so you could run the high loop if you're comfortable 505 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: with that, knowing that lots of other states and lots 506 00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: of other states plumbing codes are okay with it. 507 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,080 Speaker 6: Have you seen air gaps mounted outside? 508 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. The typical air gap. 509 00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,880 Speaker 1: You don't want to mount it outside because it's a 510 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:01,480 Speaker 1: weird configuration. But that's what the Onsen valve is. It's 511 00:29:01,600 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 1: essentially an air gap that gets mounted in the stud 512 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: wall and has its air its little vent venting air 513 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,240 Speaker 1: thing going to the outside of the house. So that's 514 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,239 Speaker 1: what you would want to look up if you were 515 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: interested in pursuing it that way. Perfect, all right, Bob, 516 00:29:21,680 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: thank you, thanks for the question, Bud, appreciate it. See 517 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: that's what we take calls because everybody learns as we go. 518 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 2: All right. 519 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 1: The number to reach me eight three three two. Ask 520 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: Dean eight three three, the numeral two Ask Dean. It's 521 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: an all calls Saturday morning. We'll go back to the 522 00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: phones when we come back. You're Home with Dean Sharp, 523 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: the House Whisper. 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