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Speaker 2: Ben Gesline covers the Minnesota Vikings writes about football for

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Speaker 2: the Star Tribune and Star Tribune dot Com. This segment

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Speaker 3: And the scribe joins us. Now you know they're one.

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Speaker 2: I lived in southern California and my second step father

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Speaker 2: would take me to a VFW in Monrovia, California as

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Speaker 2: a sixteen seventeen eighteen nineteen year old when I was

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Speaker 2: going to high school and then subsequently junior college. There

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Speaker 2: was a dice game that I learned called ship Captain

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Speaker 2: and Crewe.

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Speaker 4: I learned a lot in VFW.

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Speaker 3: A lot, yeah, for sure, darts and a bunch of things.

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Speaker 2: But people in the back with phones on their tables

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Speaker 2: and stuff like this.

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Speaker 3: It was weird.

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Speaker 2: Ship Captain and Crewe as the football team goes the

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Speaker 2: ship the proverbial ship was burning after Los Angeles. Eight

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Speaker 2: captains spoke before the Lions game and it resonated with

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Speaker 2: the crew and ship captain and crew. So in a

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Speaker 2: roundabout way, what I'm getting at here is like a

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Speaker 2: Viking metaphor of this whole thing too. This works on

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Speaker 2: several levels. Well, very cool gamer that you had yesterday,

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Speaker 2: and it triggered my mind to think about ship captain

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Speaker 2: and crew. Ship was on fire as it left Los

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Speaker 2: Angeles or or Long Beach Harbor. The captains were required

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Speaker 2: to speak and the crew was required to respond, and

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Speaker 2: it did. Yeah, then you wrote about the captain speaking

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Speaker 2: in your gamer star Tribune dot com. So from what

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Speaker 2: you know, what did those donning the seas hit on

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Speaker 2: Saturday night at Detroit's Weston Book Cadillac Hotel in Good morning.

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Speaker 3: Good morning?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there were I think it basically was say what

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Speaker 5: you want to say. I think the theme overall was

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Speaker 5: we need to kind of make sure that this team

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Speaker 5: can become what it what they believe it can be

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Speaker 5: kind of a we need to plant our feet a

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Speaker 5: little bit here, and JJ McCarthy talked about sleeping in

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Speaker 5: his college bed because I think his infant son has

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Speaker 5: not been sleeping terribly well, fussy at night. So he

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Speaker 5: said there's been a lot of times where he's trying

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Speaker 5: to sleep. And he said, I keep having this image

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Speaker 5: of a silver play and having an opportunity sitting on

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Speaker 5: top of the platter that the Vikings have a chance

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Speaker 5: to go grab.

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Speaker 3: So he talked about some of those things.

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Speaker 5: I think a number of other players, Josh Mattelis, Brian O'Neill,

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Speaker 5: you know, took it different ways, obviously, but I think

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Speaker 5: the theme was let's not let this thing pass us by,

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Speaker 5: and this can still be a team that does some

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Speaker 5: things down the stretch of the season. So I think

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Speaker 5: a lot of it, some of it was emotional. I

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Speaker 5: think some of it was probably a little fiery. Kevin

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Speaker 5: O'Connell mentioned that, and a lot of players that basically said, no,

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Speaker 5: this is not going the way we wanted to and

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Speaker 5: we need to do something about it now. And obviously

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Speaker 5: they responded and got it done in a game that

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Speaker 5: I was not expecting them to win. I'm not sure

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Speaker 5: how many people were. I mean, they've played all of

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Speaker 5: the graphics of everybody picking against them. But yeah, it's

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Speaker 5: it was a big win for them, especially because of

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Speaker 5: how much trouble they've had in that building mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: With without going too far down the road, and just

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Speaker 2: having everybody involved listening, and that would include mad producer

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Speaker 2: in here. Yeah, with every everybody knowing all of the

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Speaker 2: same stuff. But then for those you know who execute

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Speaker 2: their toil at this facility, and you know they go

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Speaker 2: to the press conferences and cover the team and talk

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Speaker 2: about this team and all that, it could be at

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Speaker 2: a different level simply because of the job aspect of it. Sure,

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Speaker 2: So with all of that known, if you believe there

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Speaker 2: I'm speaking for you too. I think you are too.

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Speaker 2: Do you think like there was a bubble that needed

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Speaker 5: I think there was a lot of frustration, okay, in

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Speaker 5: terms of just the season had not gone well.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So if you believe from the captains at Weston

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Speaker 2: do you think it's dick. I think one game is

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Speaker 2: easy to take one game and say, hey, this is

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Speaker 2: all going to be different, and then Lamar Jackson comes

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Speaker 2: in here on Sunday and then you're right back to

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Speaker 2: four and five, and you know, and then it's you

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Speaker 2: got Caleb Williams, then you got the Packers and all

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Speaker 2: of those things can come from that.

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Speaker 5: I do think this type of a win matters a

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Speaker 5: little more than your average division victory, just because they

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Speaker 5: I mean, they had been so bad in that building.

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Speaker 5: I looked this up and I mentioned this to Kevin

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Speaker 5: O'Connell in the press conference yesterday. They had not had

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Speaker 5: a lead in that building, which Kevin O'Connell is the coach.

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Speaker 2: So the last time they led was in the Cam

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Speaker 2: Dancel and Ross Saint Brown game.

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Speaker 3: Yep, that was real.

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Speaker 5: And I'm late too because Jared Goff brought them back

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Speaker 5: for that touchdown at the end. Was that game that

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Speaker 5: Cam Danceler, what are you doing? Call? No?

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Speaker 2: That was Seattle, DK Metcalf, Yeah, that aim for the Lions. Actually,

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Speaker 2: I actually got into a low key mini I'm not

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Speaker 2: big argumentative guy. Okay, I'll prefer to say I'm sorry,

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Speaker 2: even if I think I'm seventy five percent right, just

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Speaker 2: to diffuse the sucker so we can move on to

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Speaker 2: stop wasting our time here.

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Speaker 3: But there was wisdom in that.

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Speaker 2: I got into a low key chat with somebody after

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Speaker 2: the game by the buses, simply because I wasn't as

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Speaker 2: upset about the loss as some people thought I should be.

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Speaker 2: And here's why your team is not going to the playoffs. Okay,

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Speaker 2: so our team is not going to the playoffs. This

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Speaker 2: team had not won a game in a year. The Lions,

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Speaker 2: their fans had not seen a victory in close to

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Speaker 2: two years because of the pandemic. So am I happy

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Speaker 2: the Vikings loss?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 2: Am I crestfallen that this other lovable loser one or

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Speaker 2: because of it?

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Speaker 3: No? And it's just it was.

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Speaker 2: The machismo, every blade of grant whatever, man, come on, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean that one was.

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Speaker 6: That entire season was built on weird ones.

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Speaker 3: Just awful. That was Amanara Saint Brown's first touchdown. Yeah yeah, so.

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Speaker 5: That was kind of the coming out party that day

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Speaker 5: for him. But yeah, that you talk about five's and

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Speaker 5: a secret man.

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Speaker 2: That one so Baltimore's three and five, Yeah, and Lamar

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Speaker 2: Lamar's back and galloping quite well. From what we hear.

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Speaker 2: Their last win was against uh uh. I don't know

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Speaker 2: if you watched any of it. I didn't watch a

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Speaker 2: lot of it because it was putrid. It looked like

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Speaker 2: a team that I mean, I never talked like this

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Speaker 2: and never would cast an affront on a team where

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Speaker 2: we're not in the room. I'm not plugged into it.

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Speaker 2: I'm not juiced into any steam there. So, but it

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Speaker 2: looked like they were laying down. It looked like the

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Speaker 2: Dolphins were laying down trying to get a coach, general manager,

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Speaker 2: and everybody fired for GM got fired. Okay, so that's

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Speaker 2: Baltimore's last race. That's what we saw. Well, they're three

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Speaker 2: and five, their defense ain't great, and they're on the road,

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Speaker 2: and they're three and a half four point favorites in

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Speaker 2: this game, coming up against a team that got healthy,

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Speaker 2: just went on the road and beat a legitimate Super

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Speaker 2: don't understand why the Vikings are closer to a touchdown

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Speaker 2: underdog than they are to like being a team that

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Speaker 2: could win the game minus one or something.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I suppose. I mean, I have to think it's

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Speaker 3: the quarterback differences.

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Speaker 5: Just McCarthy hasn't proven yet to a level of getting

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Speaker 5: the benefit of the doubt from the odds baker Jackson.

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Speaker 2: But it's the same quarterback who was just on the road,

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Speaker 2: who beat a quarterback who throws.

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Speaker 3: Better than Lamarck.

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Speaker 5: Correct, Yes, and he did so as an even bigger underdog. Yeah,

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Speaker 5: there is I think some of that. And you know,

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Speaker 5: the one game thing, I think Vegas is probably saying, okay,

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Speaker 5: we need a little more sample size, and it's Jackson

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Speaker 5: and it's Dereck Henry, but playing a team that had

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Speaker 5: planting a flag on Sunday. They took Jamir Gibbs out

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Speaker 5: was really good. Well, and the thing is he had

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Speaker 5: killed them last year. I look, I had forgotten it

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Speaker 5: was this bad. He has six touchdowns, Yeah, in those

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Speaker 5: think it was cam Bina making a cut inside and

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Speaker 5: as we saw on Sunday, and the numbers bore that out.

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Speaker 5: But if you can contain the run against that team,

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Speaker 5: you have to feel better about it. It's still a

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Speaker 5: tough matchup with Derek Henry Lamar Jackson, but they probably

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Speaker 5: have to feel little better about that than they otherwise

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Speaker 5: would because I get that they have not been good

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Speaker 5: against the run this year. They did well against Saquon

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Speaker 5: Barkley and then Kamani Vidal obviously has the big day

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Speaker 5: against them in LA. I think that may be part

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Speaker 5: of it as well. Where the where the odds come from?

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Speaker 5: That's unfair, I mean that that's I don't think it.

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Speaker 2: Is because those who set these lines off power power rankings,

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Speaker 2: power ratings, well, they're not in the losing money business,

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Speaker 2: so they don't overlook that Van Ginkle did not play

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Speaker 2: in that game, and and what the team is with Grenard,

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Speaker 2: Cashman and Van Ginkle. Yeah, so I you know, here

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Speaker 2: what you're tell me what you think of this, because

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Speaker 2: you know how the game works behind the scenes. When

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Speaker 2: I see something like that on a Monday, a team

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Speaker 2: of the losing record that just beat crap Miami, Okay,

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Speaker 2: we're happy for lamar he. I mean, we're not talking

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Speaker 2: about Tom Brady here, all right, and you're talking about

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Speaker 2: a team that's gotten healthy, is coming home and just

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Speaker 2: pulled one of the two bigger upsets of the entire season,

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Speaker 2: along with Carolina and Lambeau. I wonder if agents know

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Speaker 2: that there's some Darisaan news coming that this might be

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Speaker 2: a darisol. I mean, we know as well as anybody man,

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Speaker 2: Christian darisaw is arguably the most important player on this team.

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Speaker 3: Is We've seen all these games.

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Speaker 2: Now, how O'Connell reacted when he played against Cincinnati, and

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Speaker 2: When you say everybody has to do it, I'm I'm

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Speaker 3: At this, man.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know this opening week, Monday night football

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Speaker 3: But the overall.

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Speaker 5: Inconveniences of NFL routines are going to grow because there

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Speaker 3: Figure it out. Yeah, so there's gonna be more of that.

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Speaker 3: It was Jefferson in Green Bay last year.

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Speaker 6: The route that Jefferson ran on that play, by the way,

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Speaker 6: was unfreaking believable. I don't know who was in coverage

437
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Speaker 6: on him no chance, and it was a perfect throw.

438
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Speaker 6: Part of one thing that I noticed on in this game.

439
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 6: He was breaking the huddle five six seconds. It felt

440
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Speaker 6: like faster than he was earlier in the season. And

441
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Speaker 6: so I'm complete outsider guy. It matters, though total fan

442
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Speaker 6: and rube I was always of the mind. I'm just

443
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Speaker 6: I've always wondered, like, was Ko in his headset, like

444
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Speaker 6: right up to the bitter end where that thing turned off?

445
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Speaker 6: I think probably if that was a thing potentially early

446
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Speaker 6: when we got to see him against the Bears and Falcons,

447
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Speaker 6: But on Sunday he had at least it felt like

448
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Speaker 6: most plays four or five real time seconds to survey

449
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Speaker 6: the field.

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Speaker 5: I think that helped a lot. I do too there,

451
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Speaker 5: and there was a lot of there were a lot

452
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Speaker 5: more checks where you see him tapping his helmet going

453
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Speaker 5: can can can. I mean there was some of that early.

454
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Speaker 5: I think a number of the first plays on that

455
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Speaker 5: on that initial drive was initial two touchdown drives, he's

456
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Speaker 5: checking at the line. You have more time to do

457
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Speaker 5: that if the operation is better. And this stuff seems

458
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Speaker 5: minute or may seem boring, but this stuff matters a

459
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Speaker 5: lot to how the position gets played. We don't see

460
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Speaker 5: it all the time on TV because the announcers are

461
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Speaker 5: talking and there's replays and you're not seeing what's happening

462
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Speaker 5: between plays. But yes, getting the operation set, getting up

463
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Speaker 5: to the line, even doing it fast enough that the

464
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Speaker 5: headset can still be going when McCarthy is at the

465
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Speaker 5: line if it's before fifteen seconds, like, they can use

466
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Speaker 5: that as a hack too. So yeah, I think all

467
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Speaker 5: that stuff matters. I think there were some moments where

468
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Speaker 5: he was a little amped up. I thought in the

469
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Speaker 5: second quarter when he kind of got in that run

470
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Speaker 5: where he's outside the pocket, there's some throws that probably

471
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Speaker 5: came out a little hot.

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Speaker 3: I thought there would have been some chance.

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Speaker 6: To Yamamoto fastball he saw what Jefferson about two feet

474
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Speaker 6: over his head.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there was one to Hockinson two that Hockinson dropped

476
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Speaker 5: I think on like a third and long from their

477
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Speaker 5: own four.

478
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Speaker 3: That was a bullet.

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Speaker 5: I think Hockinson almost was surprised that it came in

480
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Speaker 5: that hot, but well.

481
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Speaker 6: And that was the play after he almost just gives

482
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Speaker 6: up at the goal line, it's gonna be get out,

483
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Speaker 6: but then he doesn't get rid of the ball, and

484
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Speaker 6: I think it was Barnes who tracked him down.

485
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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was trying. He was trying to run rather

486
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Speaker 5: than just throwing it away. So yeah, there are those

487
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Speaker 5: little things you think, Mason, Do you think.

488
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Speaker 6: Jordan Mason buys JJ McCarthy some launch this week after

489
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Speaker 6: a couple of those pass protection related.

490
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Speaker 5: Issues and maybe needs for a little bit of that.

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Speaker 5: Miss Aaron Jones in that regard in CJ ham two

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Speaker 2: and the head coach here twenty five minutes from now.

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Speaker 6: We got to see Van Ginkel on Sunday. We've been waiting,

511
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Speaker 6: my bad, we've been waiting for Van Ginkle. We got

512
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Speaker 6: to see Van Ginkel. Pa was actually showing me a

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Speaker 6: highlight of Khalif Raymond trying to take a shot at

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Speaker 6: Van Ginkle during that game.

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Speaker 3: Heated rivalry as it is.

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Speaker 6: The ability to have most of the right names back

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Speaker 6: defensively certainly part of the story with Flores in his

518
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Speaker 6: own right, the way we've struggled against the kiddies, Flores

519
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 6: has struggled against Goff and i'men Ross Saint Brown and

520
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 6: Gibbs and all these things. And to see them handle

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Speaker 6: business the way they did, specifically with forty three back

522
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Speaker 6: on the.

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Speaker 3: Field, that was sweet. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: And I thought the linebacker blitzes and it was Van Ginkle,

525
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,040
Speaker 5: it was Cashman, it was Harrison Smith coming off the

526
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Speaker 5: edge at times, Ben Ginkle dropping into coverage. I mean,

527
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 5: they ran enough of those things. I thought that changed

528
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Speaker 5: the game because they got home a lot against Golf,

529
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Speaker 5: and the thing with Golf over the years has been

530
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Speaker 5: if you can pressure him, he struggles against it. Now

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Speaker 5: that has changed a little bit with the Lions. I

532
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Speaker 5: think they came up with some protection answers for the

533
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Speaker 5: vikings last year. Ben Johnson has a lot to do

534
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Speaker 5: with that. Ben Johnson's not there anymore in that line

535
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 5: is not as strong without Frank rag Now and some

536
00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 5: injury things, so they were able to pressure him. I

537
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Speaker 5: thought the fact that they kept Gibbs in the backfield.

538
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 5: I think Gibbs had more pass protection snaps than he'd

539
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Speaker 5: ever had in his career. On Sunday he was in

540
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Speaker 5: the backfield at fifteen times. Number one, he gave up

541
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Speaker 5: a lot of pressures and number two, if he's in

542
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Speaker 5: the backfield, he's not an option. So like I asked

543
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Speaker 5: O'Connell about that yesterday and he said, yeah, we certainly

544
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,680
Speaker 5: prefer to not have him out in space getting the ball.

545
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,320
Speaker 5: So I think the plan was to pressure Golf and

546
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Speaker 5: bring a lot of pressure regardless, but that was probably

547
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Speaker 5: a nice benefit to it that when you have all

548
00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 5: of your people back, you have all your chess pieces.

549
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 5: They don't know where it's coming from they have to

550
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 5: max protect more often, and it plays things in your

551
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 5: favor because it takes one of the more dynamic players

552
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Speaker 5: in the NFL out of.

553
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Speaker 3: It a little more often as a receiving option.

554
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Speaker 6: Going above and beyond just picking at the box score,

555
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Speaker 6: do you feel like Javon Hargrave was noticed more on

556
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Speaker 6: something maybe than he has at any other point since

557
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Speaker 6: he joined the Vikings.

558
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 5: Yes, you felt the presence there. I think it looked

559
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 5: closer to what we saw in training camp, where he

560
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Speaker 5: I thought was pretty forceful. He was a lot of

561
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Speaker 5: those days, Yeah, he was, and I think they got

562
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Speaker 5: closer to that. I think the level of disruption that

563
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Speaker 5: he provided was a noticeable difference. I mean, that's a

564
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Speaker 5: lot when you can bring pressure up the middle. They

565
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Speaker 5: had a lot of those linebacker twists on the stunts,

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Speaker 5: and then if you have him and Jonathan Allen in there,

567
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Speaker 5: I mean, quarterbacks do not like pressure in their face,

568
00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 5: and they have a lot of different ways to force

569
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Speaker 5: quarterbacks to deal with that. You have to have those

570
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:02,240
Speaker 5: guys making play to kind of build that to the

571
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Speaker 5: degree that you want. I think him doing what he

572
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 5: did was noticeable. Jalen Redmond continues to provide some pressure

573
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:09,399
Speaker 5: as well.

574
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Speaker 6: Yeah, that's not kind of that's not even really flash

575
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Speaker 6: in the pan at this point that Jalen Redmond might

576
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Speaker 6: just be a really good player and a nice fine.

577
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Speaker 5: He's Yes, it's happened enough that it's harder to discount it.

578
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 5: And I think he's I mean, his snap counts certainly

579
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 5: make you think that they believe in it. Because he's

580
00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 5: getting a lot more run, has gotten more run throughout

581
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Speaker 5: the course of the season. I think they believe pretty

582
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 5: strongly in what he can do. I think it's part

583
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Speaker 5: of the reason they traded Harrison. Phillips is saying, we

584
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Speaker 5: think Jalen Redmond and the depth we have with him

585
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 5: and leeby Drake Rodriguez gives them enough. But you need

586
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 5: Hargrave than Allen to be a bigger part of that.

587
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Speaker 3: Certainly. Hargrave was on Sunday, is.

588
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Speaker 2: The NFC North wide open? Has it become wide open?

589
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,920
Speaker 2: With the leaders at Green Bay five two and one,

590
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: Viking's still in last at four and four, and we

591
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Speaker 2: have the Lions right in front of him at five

592
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Speaker 2: and three.

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Speaker 3: I make that the Bears at five and three.

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Speaker 5: Yes, it is very interesting and I think the Packers

595
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 5: losing on Sunday. I mean they have been capable of

596
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Speaker 5: those types of games. It seems like under Mount Lafleur,

597
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 5: where it's just every once in a while they play

598
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Speaker 5: down to an opponent they should beat. I mean you

599
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 5: mentioned the upsets they were I think thirteen point favorites

600
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 5: or something like that against the Panthers. And then they

601
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Speaker 5: lose Tucker Kraft for the season. Who I think that

602
00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 5: is a big loss because it's no big deal. Eagles

603
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 5: around the corner too.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think that's the next game, isn't it.

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Speaker 5: I think so night maybe yep, So it's it is

606
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Speaker 5: one of those things. Yes, it's one of those things

607
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Speaker 5: where if you lose him, they have struggled to find,

608
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Speaker 5: like who's Jordan Love's number one option? It had become

609
00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 5: Tucker Craft, I think in a lot of ways. And

610
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Speaker 5: you know, Kristian Watson when he's healthy. You know, they

611
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Speaker 5: have Romeo Dobbs, some of these other receivers, but they've

612
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Speaker 5: not had the guy that seems to be when everything is,

613
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Speaker 5: when the house is burning, this is the guy that

614
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 5: we know can make a play. I think that had

615
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 5: become Tucker Craft. So him being out for the year.

616
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,120
Speaker 5: I think changes their offense quite a bit, and and

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Speaker 5: it makes me a little more uncertain if they're going

618
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Speaker 5: to be at the top of this thing. So yeah,

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Speaker 5: I do think it's pretty wide open, you know, the Bears.

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Speaker 5: It's hard to know how much of this is for real,

621
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Speaker 5: how much of this is still going to just be

622
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Speaker 5: a little herky jerky. I think it may just beat

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Speaker 5: a lot of that. But yeah, there's a lot that

624
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,000
Speaker 5: can happen in these next couple of weeks here after

625
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:23,440
Speaker 5: the Ravens for the Vikings, it's two in a row

626
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Speaker 5: in the division that's gonna have a lot to say

627
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Speaker 5: about where this goes.

628
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Speaker 2: I'm not going to grandstand and say green Bay will

629
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 2: win that game against Philly. Yeah, but if I'm spotting up,

630
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Speaker 2: I'm playing green Bay.

631
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Speaker 3: Yeah.

632
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Speaker 2: And here's why they lose to Cleveland, they lose to

633
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Speaker 2: Bryce Young, they beat Jared Goff, they beat Jade and Dan,

634
00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 2: they beat they play that.

635
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 3: It is the level. Yeah.

636
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Speaker 2: The civil servant Johnny Kay said it yesterday sending a

637
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Speaker 2: text that, and he's a Packers fan and he really

638
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: pointed some things out to Nine to Noon that Yeah,

639
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: we kind of knew this, but there was some context

640
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Speaker 2: to it about how they're playing up and down to

641
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 2: teams levels. Yea, and they'll play up to the level

642
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 2: of this team at home nationally televised game.

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00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,280
Speaker 3: If Green Bay won that game, I'm zero surprised.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there does seem to be some of that with

645
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 5: them where they will great. Yeah, they'll look great against

646
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 5: better opponents, and then it's some of those games that

647
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 5: you say, Okay, they should win this handily, they never

648
00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 5: seem to. So yeah, that is it's going to be

649
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,280
Speaker 5: interesting to see where that goes with them. I just

650
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 5: think the craft, the loss of Craft, I think changes

651
00:31:30,240 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 5: a lot of things for that offense.

652
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Speaker 3: To our favorite team.

653
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,760
Speaker 6: Speaking of a loss, potentially we'll see is how productive

654
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Speaker 6: Aaron Jones was in the run And I kind of

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Speaker 6: made that fleeting joke to you before we went to

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Speaker 6: break Jordan Mason some tough moments on Sunday and pass protection.

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Speaker 6: Now we're sweating a shoulder and a toe like as

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Speaker 6: you go throughout the week. Is that kind of the

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Speaker 6: a topic for you in terms of from a health perspective,

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Speaker 6: we want to see Christian Dearris, we want to see

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Speaker 6: the plan moving forward and all that. But but how serious.

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Speaker 6: Is this or not serious? Is this based on your

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Speaker 6: vibes with Ko talking yesterday?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Jones, I think Andrew Kramer caught up with him

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Speaker 5: in the locker room on Sunday while I was going

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Speaker 5: to O'Connell's press conference, and Jones didn't sound that concerned

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Speaker 5: about it. And the shoulder, he said, is an ac

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Speaker 5: joints brain and he said, that's one of those that

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Speaker 5: you put some paddic on it, you basically stabilize that.

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Speaker 3: I mean you see a lot of guys played through

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Speaker 3: the dirt on it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're good to go, exactly something like that. So yes,

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Speaker 5: I think he feels like that won't be something that

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Speaker 5: keeps him out on Sunday. And he certainly played through

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Speaker 5: things throughout the course of his career, so yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 5: I think he had more burst on Sunday than I

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Speaker 5: was necessarily expecting. He was going to be fresh coming

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Speaker 5: back from that injury. But I think the fact that

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Speaker 5: he did what he did was a big reason why

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Speaker 5: they won that game. They they needed to run the

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Speaker 5: ball effectively. I mean they ran for one hundred and

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Speaker 5: forty two yards. I think it was so well. Let

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Speaker 5: me ask the fact that he did that. It has

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Speaker 5: a lot to do with him.

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Speaker 6: Dumb, dumb question again and something that I could have

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Speaker 6: just searched on the internet for.

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Speaker 4: Why was that catch and run ruled a rush?

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Speaker 3: Well?

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Speaker 5: I think it must have been pass Yeah, let's see,

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Speaker 5: why would they have I mean, if they must have

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Speaker 5: said it wasn't afford.

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Speaker 3: That would be the only you can throw backwards passes.

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Speaker 3: And there's still completions. Yeah, why did Why did that

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Speaker 3: end up being a run?

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Speaker 2: And there were two sacks definitely won by Derek Barnes

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Speaker 2: for the Lions. I couldn't believe they were sacks. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I thought they were either tackles for loss or or

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Speaker 2: zero's you know, for just like just running.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, the one McCarthy scrambled out. I think they

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Speaker 3: called that a sack. Yeah, that.

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Speaker 6: We need that, we need to put that thirty one

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Speaker 6: back on the stat line for number nine.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that is.

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Speaker 5: Kind of odd that that ended up being a run.

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Speaker 5: I mean O'Connell pointed out yesterday. I think that was

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Speaker 5: a little perplexing to him as well. So maybe he'll

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Speaker 5: get into that with you guys on eleven. I appreciate you, buddy.

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Speaker 2: The Predators, by the way, are oh and two of

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Speaker 2: this year on back to backs. They played last night

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Speaker 2: rowing two on back to backs this year. This is

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Speaker 2: a back to back with travel the while the Wild

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Speaker 2: should beat Bruno's bunch tonight.

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Speaker 6: To the Minnesota Timberwolves, who were in Brooklyn last evening.

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Speaker 6: They beat the Nets one twenty five one oh nine,

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Speaker 6: a nice shooting percentage performance. I believe well above fifty

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Speaker 6: percent for the Howl forty percent for the Nets. The

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Speaker 6: reason I bring that up is the Nets are awful.

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Speaker 6: They're winless. But the Wolves were kind of messing around

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Speaker 6: with them a little bit last night. I don't know

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Speaker 6: how much. I mean, maybe it's just winless nets.

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Speaker 3: They're terrible.

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Speaker 6: Even though we don't have ANT, we're gonna find their

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Speaker 6: way to a victory. I don't know if the team's

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Speaker 6: in the spot where they can think like that. But

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Speaker 6: Cam Thomas at one point looked like he was going

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Speaker 6: to go off for forty. He just ended with twenty five.

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Speaker 6: How about Julius Randall. Though Julius Randall, you know without

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Speaker 6: ANT now, but even with ANT in the mix earlier in.

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Speaker 4: The season, PA, he's been absolutely terrific.

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Speaker 6: Last night, he bleeped around, he got a triple double

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Speaker 6: nineteen eleven and ten dimes with a couple of steels,

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Speaker 6: and he found himself at the free throw line of

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Speaker 6: fair amount.

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Speaker 4: So they handle business.

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Speaker 6: You get twenty five out of Dante, and just in

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Speaker 6: terms of I mean when Ant comes back, who, by

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Speaker 6: the way, reported yesterday I saw this from from day

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Speaker 6: Moore that Ant has been cleared for contact and just

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Speaker 6: kind of going through a return to play process. Probably

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Speaker 6: you know, we'll see it maybe a week from now,

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Speaker 6: hope looking forward to it. I know CON's LFL team

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Speaker 6: is looking forward to the return of Ant in a

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Speaker 6: big way. But just kind of until they get Ant back,

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Speaker 6: you're not really going to know how this whole thing

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Speaker 6: looks defensive intensity and just figuring out the mix of

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Speaker 6: Conley getting Dillingham in there with the mask. Everyone's nose

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Speaker 6: is broken apparently the Vincenzo. But figuring out how this

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Speaker 6: thing looks, how it works still part of Finchy's process

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Speaker 6: as we get underway in twenty five twenty six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Timberwolves game last night was of the Slugger

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Speaker 2: Lee variety, just wasn't wasn't really exciting to watch.

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Speaker 3: It was on Fandel.

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Speaker 2: So yesterday we had some peacock terrorism and that's why

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Speaker 2: I actually got to watch them.

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Speaker 3: Say me too, I don't have peacock.

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Speaker 2: But nevertheless, it was just kind of just kind of

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Speaker 2: a It was a game that looked like you have

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Speaker 2: Cam Thomas. Okay, now you have Nick Klaxton, who occasionally

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Speaker 2: can have decent games. But Randall, we and McDaniels, we

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Speaker 2: have the best two players in the game. So eventually

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Speaker 2: we're going to utilize those two players and there's no

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Speaker 2: chance you can beat us. So we're going to push

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Speaker 2: the button when we need to push the button, and

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Speaker 2: Brooklyn go crazy.

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Speaker 3: So that's what they did. Julius Randall and Jaden McDaniels.

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Speaker 4: Do you think Rudy showed a little bit of life

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Speaker 4: last night? I don't mean the klompot.

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Speaker 2: Early in the game when I was watching, he was dominating.

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Speaker 2: I didn't watch much of the second half.

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Speaker 6: Because the thing with me with Rudy and I already read.

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Speaker 6: I mean, we're what seven games in the season, but

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Speaker 6: just kind of okay, so you know, you put some

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Speaker 6: more money in Rudy's pocket.

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Speaker 3: You love him.

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Speaker 6: Rudy's always been a polarizing conversation topic, specifically the last

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Speaker 6: two years with the playoffs. Of course, yeah, but kind

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Speaker 6: of the idea that you know, when this thing starts

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Speaker 6: to go down hill for Rudy, a guy in his

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Speaker 6: thirties and just being the seventh footter that he is

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Speaker 6: and all that that this is going to be some

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Speaker 6: sort of cliff like drop off, and so I don't

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Speaker 6: see that. Well, that's the thing is is first few

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Speaker 6: games you're seeing, Okay, you know, how's he how's he

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Speaker 6: working himself into the mix and just kind of you know,

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Speaker 6: what his productivity was. Early on, I was I was

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Speaker 6: starting to see a little bit of that that like

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Speaker 6: we're staring into the Grand Canyon and it looks like

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Speaker 6: big Man's about to fall off. I thought last night

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Speaker 6: he had a ton of jump and juice. You mentioned

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Speaker 6: it early and I saw that too, And I really

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Speaker 6: loved Rudy's game last night.

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Speaker 2: Well there for me team, but all it doesn't I

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Speaker 2: mean certainly doesn't mean it's right. This is my opinion

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Speaker 2: off a question. I didn't know what was coming. So

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Speaker 2: I'm just going to stream my consciousness and take it

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Speaker 2: back to the postseason. I think Rudy is a game

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Speaker 2: shape player. So certain games are going to shape up

839
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Speaker 2: that they fit go Bear really really well.

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Speaker 3: Certain games aren't.

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Speaker 2: Certain series, see the Golden State or the Golden State

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Speaker 2: War are going to shape up into a series where Wow,

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Speaker 2: he's gonna have twenty four and twenty four certain series

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Speaker 2: cookc are not.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he's not gonna play much.

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Speaker 2: So I think it's a game by game deal with

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Speaker 2: him where they're gonna start with him. You're gonna try

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Speaker 2: some things, but not every game shapes up of the

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Speaker 2: way go Bear needs it to strive.

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Speaker 6: That makes sense. Last thing for you, Monday Night Football.

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Speaker 6: There are probably many listeners who have YouTube TV who

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Speaker 6: didn't get the chance to watch it unless they went

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Speaker 6: in and paid the thirty bucks or whatever it is

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Speaker 6: for the ESPN app.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what that means.

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Speaker 6: Oh well, YouTube TV and ESPN Slash Disney are in

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Speaker 6: a financial dispute wow, in terms of offering.

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Speaker 2: So although the reason I bring it up is it

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Speaker 2: plays off what we said yesterday is holy cow, you're

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Speaker 2: having to pay so many different entities to watch so

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Speaker 2: many different things.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I mean when we got to hit yesterday with that

864
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Speaker 2: peacock thing with the wolves, and I'm like, bro, really,

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Speaker 2: I mean they got that now this YouTube thing that

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Speaker 2: you just said, Okay, Thursday's paramount plus Thursdays on Amazon Prime, Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's fine, man. I mean I'm not against people making

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Speaker 2: money or but it's just coming from all angles. And

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Speaker 2: then then the local situation with with fan duel, yeah

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Speaker 2: you know, and just map whatever.

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Speaker 4: Well, no, that's that's the thing.

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Speaker 6: And I think a lot of people are looking at

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Speaker 6: the precarious timing of this is YouTube suddenly can't get

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Speaker 6: a deal done with ESPN.

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Speaker 4: At a very very.

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Speaker 6: Similar time that ESPN is trying to launch basically their

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Speaker 6: own media, their own peacock. I didn't even know YouTube

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Speaker 6: was part of Disney, and I think it's like, not,

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Speaker 6: YouTube's not ESPN is Yeah, I know that, right, but

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Speaker 6: so they have to So ESPN Disney has to negotiate

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Speaker 6: with YouTube TV for all of their products if you

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Speaker 6: want to show our bits, right, So ABC's not in

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Speaker 6: the mix either. So get an antenna is really the

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Speaker 6: a topic here? Or pay I think it's like thirty

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Speaker 6: bucks a month for the ESPN app. I don't have

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Speaker 6: the specifics, and I'm definitely not paying that. But some

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Speaker 6: people did watch the game. Back to a Monday night football,

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Speaker 6: how about the Cardinals on the road twenty seven to

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Speaker 6: seventeen over the Cowboys Jacoby Brissett for two sixty and two.

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Speaker 6: They were able to run the ball against that hideous

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Speaker 6: Eberflus defense. Marvin Harrison Junior gets a touchdown, so his

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Speaker 6: dad's happy. And Dak Prescott, you know, touchdown and a pick.

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Speaker 6: And Jamonte Williams still kind of, you know, resurrecting his career,

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Speaker 6: certainly based after some awful performances in Denver and now

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Speaker 6: he's run it in Dallas.

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Speaker 3: But man, the Cowboys can't get out of their own way.

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Speaker 4: Man, three five and one.

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Speaker 3: It's ugly.

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Speaker 4: They did trade.

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Speaker 6: I think Logan Wilson is the linebacker's name they just

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Speaker 6: plucked from the Bengals.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how much of a difference that it's making.

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Speaker 6: But we have two non playoff teams on a Monday

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Speaker 6: night that many people didn't see because they don't want

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Speaker 6: to pay ESPN.

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Speaker 3: And I had the opportunity to watch it and shows

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Speaker 3: not to and I do have ESPN.

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Speaker 2: So that's that's kind of what I thought of that game.

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Speaker 2: When we return, Kevin O'Connell, head coach of the Minnesota Vikings,

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Speaker 2: joins nine to noon for his weekly stop in the Covenant.

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Speaker 2: We call it X's and O's and that that should

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