1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Talk station, a thirty fifty five KRCD talk station. Try 2 00:00:04,960 --> 00:00:07,560 Speaker 1: to have a happy Tuesday. Always extra special on a 3 00:00:07,600 --> 00:00:11,640 Speaker 1: Tuesday when we get to talk with Daniel Davis, retired 4 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: lieutendor Colonel Daniel Davis with the podcast you can find 5 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: anywhere you get your podcasts, and every Tuesday here in 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: the fifty five KRSE Morning Show, Daniel Davis Deep Dive, 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 1: Welcome back. It's a great to have you on the 8 00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:25,200 Speaker 1: program as always, Daniel Davis, and good to see you, 9 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: at least I'm capable of seeing you through our little 10 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: conference window here. 11 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 2: Well, it's a lot of to be seen, so thank 12 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 2: you very much. 13 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:35,319 Speaker 1: Well, and you're even talking about this since the out 14 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: since the outset of this war with Iran, they've got 15 00:00:39,080 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: a hell of a lot more rockets and missiles then 16 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: I maybe we didn't that we didn't didn't anticipate. Every 17 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: single day, you think, all right, there's no way they've 18 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: got any more, and yet they continue to launch these 19 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 1: missiles and now apparently they've revealed they've got some that 20 00:00:52,080 --> 00:00:54,880 Speaker 1: go a lot further than there we originally thought. So 21 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:57,639 Speaker 1: Europe's a little concerned that they could be targeted by 22 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,160 Speaker 1: the Iranians I don't know whether you feel that's going 23 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: to happen or anything, but and there's this idea that 24 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 1: was going to be a short term operation. Days not weeks, 25 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: were now into a month. Did Trump administration think that 26 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: it was going to be like Venezuela, go in, get 27 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,920 Speaker 1: the figurehead out, and get a compliant regime to play 28 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: ball with you. That obviously didn't work out that way, 29 00:01:21,080 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: But do you think that was anticipated? 30 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 2: Unfortunately? I've recently talked to a certain individual that had 31 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 2: very high level access to the administration and he says 32 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 2: that there was a significant number of people inside the 33 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: administration that did think that what happened to Venezuela could 34 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 2: be transferred over to Iran. There were plenty of people 35 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: that counseled again to that on the inside and said, no, 36 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 2: that's not going to happen. Those things are, you know, 37 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 2: as far apart and different as you can even imagine. 38 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 2: But it appears that those that thought it could be 39 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:56,440 Speaker 2: were able to sway the president and said, look, there's there' 40 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 2: as week as they have been, remember all and the 41 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 2: read up to this, there's week because they've been in 42 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 2: all forty seven years of their existence. All we got 43 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: to do is hit a really hard lock with Venezuela, 44 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 2: take out the leader, and then we can make a 45 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:10,800 Speaker 2: deal with those that are left. That's what they thought 46 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 2: they could do. And I think as we were talking 47 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:17,639 Speaker 2: before this thing kicked off, I said, there's very little chance, 48 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:20,720 Speaker 2: almost like a wing and a prayer at best, And 49 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 2: the likelihood is what is playing out now, just because 50 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 2: that's not the system of the Iranian government, and they 51 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 2: have all kinds of capacity because they have foreseen this 52 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 2: outcome for decades and they have prepared themselves to be 53 00:02:33,800 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 2: able to withstand all of this incredible bombardment that we're 54 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 2: dropping on top of them, and the diplomatic oscillation and 55 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: all that. They were prepared for it logistically, psychologically, in 56 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 2: every other way, and now it's playing out exactly as 57 00:02:46,600 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 2: they had planned well. 58 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: And looking at this sort of from my perception at least, 59 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:53,480 Speaker 1: and I'm certainly willing to admit that I'd be wrong 60 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: on this, but my perception of it. You look at Venezuela, 61 00:02:56,600 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: you know, Maduro and pretty unpopular guy. Obviously, I think 62 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 1: he was a left that under spurious, suspicious circumstances. But 63 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: it's politics, it's not religion. When it comes to Maduro. 64 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: I don't know that many people really factor in how 65 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: powerful a religious affiliation is. When you're fighting off a foe, 66 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 1: You're not going to walk away from your fundamentalist religion. 67 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,519 Speaker 1: It's ingrained in you. I mean, I always ask my 68 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 1: Christian friends, are you going to walk away from your 69 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 1: faith at the point of a gun? Do you think 70 00:03:23,720 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: some politician can convince you or talk you out of 71 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 1: your faith? So faith coupled with you know, territorial you know, 72 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:32,600 Speaker 1: affiliation with region, those are two very powerful things. And 73 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:38,080 Speaker 1: you've got one element there that certainly it transcends politics 74 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: and oil or commodities, doesn't it. 75 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 2: Daniel Man, that couldn't have been a better analogy because 76 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:45,880 Speaker 2: that's exactly what's playing out here, and you can see 77 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 2: it throughout the region, not even just within Iran, because 78 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 2: you have a combination of nationalism rally around the flag 79 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 2: and the religious aspect of Shia Islam. And then you 80 00:03:55,800 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: see that there's rising support all this she is on 81 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,800 Speaker 2: that were just incensed when this the Iatolia was assassinated. 82 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 2: Uh And so now you see katib Hezbola in Iraq 83 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: rising up, you see Hisbola and Lebanon rising up. The 84 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 2: houthis in the Red Sea now from from Yemen. They're 85 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: rising up in support of the the regime, the regime 86 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,279 Speaker 2: that's left in Iran. And of course that there was 87 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: a system in place. It was a hierarchical system. Uh, 88 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 2: you know, it was a normal functioning government. It wasn't 89 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:28,919 Speaker 2: just a one man It wasn't a cult of personality, 90 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 2: et cetera. And so now then we see it playing 91 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 2: out as it was easily predictable, and so those who 92 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 2: thought something different were just hopeful that's it, Well, maybe 93 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: it'll work out this It wasn't based on evidence or 94 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:45,359 Speaker 2: research or understanding of the culture and the people. It 95 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 2: was based on well, I hope it'll work out like 96 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 2: this one. And unfortunately they appear to have carried the 97 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 2: day with President Trump. 98 00:04:51,200 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: Well, and you know, the protesters in the street, you know, 99 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: is quite revealing. You think, oh my god, all these 100 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: Iranians are willing to take to the street to protest 101 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: the supremely they're putting their lives in jeopardy to do that. 102 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,920 Speaker 1: But a question is percentage of population willing to do that. 103 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: Obviously much more dangerous to do it there than say, 104 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,240 Speaker 1: protests against Donald Trump here in the No King's Rally. 105 00:05:12,200 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: But if there was media from elsewhere looking at the 106 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: protests going on in the streets, they might draw a 107 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: conclusion that, oh, my god, the United States is getting 108 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: ready to be overthrown. Look at how many hundreds of 109 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 1: thousands of people are in the streets in the United States. 110 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: It's only a small percentage of the population. You can 111 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:29,279 Speaker 1: get fifteen people to show up literally anywhere, Daniel Davis. 112 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:31,880 Speaker 1: So there's that. But then pivoting over to what I 113 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 1: think is a terrible idea, and I'm not the only 114 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: one blowing up the desalination plants and the electric grid. 115 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 1: Not only might that be a war crime, and I'll 116 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 1: let others in familiar with international law know about that, 117 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 1: but the civilian population they need that, and they're going 118 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 1: to starve to death, and they're not going to be 119 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: really happy with the United States if we blow up 120 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: a lifeline to them, which is their ability to have 121 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: the lights on and get fresh water. 122 00:05:56,760 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, I think that that analogy with the No 123 00:05:59,040 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: King's Rally is hugely important because you had whatever was 124 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 2: seven eight million across the country. A few of them 125 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: were really big, and people could get the impression that 126 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 2: look that they're all against President Trump. All we need 127 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: to go in there is just help them out and 128 00:06:13,080 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 2: they'll be able to overthrow them. The minute that anyone 129 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,440 Speaker 2: from outside our country comes in and drops a bomb 130 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,679 Speaker 2: or or does anything in our country allegedly in support 131 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 2: of the people who were in the no real they 132 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 2: would be in sense and they would immediately turn against 133 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 2: that force, because that's not how our country works, It's 134 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:32,640 Speaker 2: not how human beings work. We can have our complaints inside, 135 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 2: and that's exactly what happened. And I've talked to some 136 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: of them, so I know for a fact people who 137 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: were in those protests that were against their government. But 138 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 2: they said, that's for us to figure out. The last 139 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: thing we're going to do is rise up against it 140 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:47,279 Speaker 2: while you kill them and blow up all of our country. 141 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: That's just not how it works. We rally around the flag, 142 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: and we will and once this is over, we'll get 143 00:06:52,000 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 2: back again to how we're going to handle our own governance. 144 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 2: But to think that you're going to cause them to 145 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: rise up because of bombs was always going to be 146 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:00,600 Speaker 2: a idea. 147 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: Well, and perhaps it's worth at least saying it out loud, 148 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: because I want to get your reaction. The Iranian people, 149 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 1: let's say, not not happy with the with the regime, 150 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: and they might enjoy regime change, of course that they 151 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: bring in about themselves better than the merit relying on 152 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: the Americans. But the other problem I would argue in 153 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: this equation is perhaps the Iranian people are not happy 154 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: with the Supreme leader in the way their country is run. 155 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 1: I don't think most of them are really happy with 156 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: the idea of even Israel, and since Israel's on the 157 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 1: other side of the shooting war, they perceive Israel to 158 00:07:34,480 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: be part of the problem. But that's the way they've 159 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: had their viewpoint for a long time anyway. I mean, 160 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: their their hatred toward Israel basically precedes this conflict. Well, 161 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 1: it does. 162 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: I mean, there's no question about that. And unfortunately, you know, 163 00:07:46,600 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 2: there's understandable reasons why that would be because Israel has 164 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 2: been you know, assassinating leaders in Iran, they've been blowing 165 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 2: up their embassies, they've physically been attacking them for for decades. 166 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 2: So I mean, this is mutual enmity. And then the 167 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:04,119 Speaker 2: Iranians will use proxies to try to strike back against Israel, 168 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 2: et cetera. So this is just an ongoing, simmering thing. 169 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: But yeah, that's even more reason why so many in 170 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 2: Iran would stand up and say we're not gonna just 171 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 2: capitulate to this no matter what, because this is now 172 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 2: an existential threat. And you talked about President Trump's true 173 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 2: social yesterday about taking out water, desalination and electricity everything 174 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,239 Speaker 2: that is, of course, is just going to harden their result. 175 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: It's not gonna make them want to give up, and 176 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: it would. It is black and white. It's a war 177 00:08:29,880 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 2: crime if he does it. I suspect he's probably just 178 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 2: used it rhetorically. I doubt he would actually do that, 179 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,760 Speaker 2: because then Iran would definitely strike back against our allies 180 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 2: in the region hit the same kind of targets, and 181 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,959 Speaker 2: President Trump doesn't want that either, So I suspect that 182 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 2: that's just rhetorical. But all of this together is just 183 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,000 Speaker 2: hardening the resolve of the Uranian side. And now then 184 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:53,160 Speaker 2: we have an issue where the price of oil is 185 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 2: so high you can't get feedstocks out for all kinds 186 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,240 Speaker 2: of things like helium, agricultural stuff. I mean, he's using 187 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 2: problems all over the world, and we have got to 188 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,119 Speaker 2: get this thing sold pretty quick. 189 00:09:04,040 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: Well, and to that and solved to reopen the Straight 190 00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:09,800 Speaker 1: of Horror Moves. Seems to be the one thing that 191 00:09:09,880 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: would you know, end this back up of supplies. They're 192 00:09:12,760 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 1: all sitting there floating around in boats. The rest of 193 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 1: the world is waiting for that stuff. So opening the 194 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: Straight of Horror Moves, if that was the military objective, 195 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:21,600 Speaker 1: we could just pull the plug on the whole thing. 196 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: If the Strait of Horror Mooves got reopened, that may 197 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: be okay, But right now that doesn't look like it's 198 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 1: gonna happen. It will remain in the control of the 199 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: Iranians and the current scenarios we can we pull out 200 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: before quote unquote securing the Strait of Horror Moves and 201 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: even call this something of a victory. 202 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,960 Speaker 2: Well, listen, according to the Wall Street Journal last night, 203 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 2: the administration is now considering, you know what, we'll just 204 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: we're just gonna walk away and say we've damaged their navy, 205 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 2: we've damaged their missiles, and we'll come back and do 206 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 2: it again if we need to, and try to diplomatically 207 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 2: get it on to open up. And if that fails, 208 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: according to the article interviewing people in the administration, then 209 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:00,840 Speaker 2: we'll say all right, you're a you guys got to 210 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: figure this out, you know, the asia of you guys 211 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 2: who need the stuff, y'all figured it out diplomatically, but 212 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,480 Speaker 2: we're not going to and I don't know that that's 213 00:10:08,520 --> 00:10:11,040 Speaker 2: a good plan. And then this morning, just before about 214 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:13,960 Speaker 2: an hour ago, I guess President Trump seemed to indicate 215 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,720 Speaker 2: that by saying, Hey, France, Hey UK, you guys didn't 216 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 2: help when we had to, so we may just walk 217 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,040 Speaker 2: away and you can take care of it. So that 218 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 2: seems to maybe actually be the plan here, But listen 219 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: to the bottom line is Iran is not We don't 220 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 2: have the military capacity to force them to open it 221 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 2: up because there's too many ways they can have it 222 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 2: shut down. So whatever is negotiated, it's gonna leave Iran 223 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: in charge of it, and they have incentive to open 224 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,200 Speaker 2: it up, and I think under the right conditions they 225 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: will and that will help the rest of the world. 226 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 2: But man, it's gonna be a strategic loss for us, 227 00:10:44,480 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 2: and you can't doctor that one up. No. 228 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 1: And you know, I acknowledge that hitting the carg Island 229 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: facility might do the most economic damage to Iran, but 230 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 1: is that even a viable option considering how many world 231 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,280 Speaker 1: countries and everybody else relies on that facility to get 232 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: fossil fuels well. 233 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,600 Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean it's a double waving. There's the 234 00:11:05,640 --> 00:11:09,480 Speaker 2: reason why we took sanctions off Iran, and not only 235 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,680 Speaker 2: Iran but also on Russia because we need the flow 236 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: of what we need the flow of oil up to 237 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,439 Speaker 2: keep the price down below and you see it's already 238 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 2: turnding over one hundred dollars I think one twelve point 239 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 2: fifteen on Brenth this morning, and we've got to get 240 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:24,640 Speaker 2: that down. You strike carg Island now that you diminished 241 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 2: the amount of well that can get out, so it 242 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 2: would undercut the sanctions. And then there's no question that 243 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:35,079 Speaker 2: Iran would then strike the GCC country's capabilities and draw 244 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:36,880 Speaker 2: it even further down. So I don't think that. I 245 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 2: think that's a non starter because it would harm us 246 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 2: in the process. 247 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's kind of the direction I thought you would go, 248 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,640 Speaker 1: because that's where I was leaning. And then finally, Daniel 249 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: David Story Park Company. I know we're a little long today, 250 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:51,840 Speaker 1: but I got to ask you, literally thousands of tankers 251 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 1: and container ships floating around waiting to get through the 252 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: straight of horror moves right. I mean they have global 253 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: tracking on that. They're just sitting there waiting correct, that 254 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 1: is correct. Are those not easy targets themselves? 255 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,080 Speaker 2: Of course, definitely, And that's why early in this process, 256 00:12:08,160 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 2: Iran demonstrated how easy they were by just hitting I 257 00:12:11,679 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 2: think it was like seven or eight of them, something 258 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: like that, to just show that at any point I 259 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: can just torch any of these things and they're done. 260 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 2: So if you want to work with us, come through. 261 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 2: And there's been some numbers, not a big number, but 262 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:27,320 Speaker 2: it's a number it's able to get through. So they're saying, hey, 263 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:29,200 Speaker 2: you can work with me, you can work against me, 264 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: but it won't work out well for you. 265 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:34,400 Speaker 1: Suspiciously absent from the reporting. I acknowledge that idea that 266 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 1: they are easily blown up out of the water, which 267 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,800 Speaker 1: could be a real problem. Daniel Davis always enjoyed the conversations, 268 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: even though we don't always end up with great news. 269 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: It's reality and I appreciate the cold water dose of 270 00:12:44,559 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: it that you provide every week here in the morning show. Sir, 271 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 1: until next week, have a great one.