1 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: All right. 2 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 2: My first guest covers the Reds and the Bengals with 3 00:00:10,760 --> 00:00:13,600 Speaker 2: Charlie's chalkboard. You can get an email to you daily 4 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,599 Speaker 2: for free through Substack. Also rad him at Fox nineteen 5 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: dot com. He's a regular contributor to Fox nineteen now 6 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 2: Digital shows. We welcome in Charlie Goldsmith. Charlie I said 7 00:00:23,800 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 2: earlier today, the more Joe Flacco talks, the more interesting 8 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 2: I find him. I wonder what has most impressed you 9 00:00:30,120 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 2: about him since his arrival. 10 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: It's the fact that he feels like he's done this before. 11 00:00:36,680 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: It's just walking around the building, the way he fits in, 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:42,919 Speaker 1: the way dropping back in the pocket, he seems to 13 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:45,880 Speaker 1: know exactly where to go, the way that he's turned 14 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: an incredibly bizarre, for lack of a best term experience 15 00:00:50,600 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: of coming into a new team and becoming a starter 16 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: and just popping right up and saying all right, let's go, 17 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: let's do this. And this will never be totally normal. 18 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: You know, he's not gonna get a full training camp, 19 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: but it feels like everyone's reached a point now where 20 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: it's like, yep, we know the drill, we're rolling, We're going, 21 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: this is what it's going to look like for the 22 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:10,759 Speaker 1: rest of the season. 23 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: I don't think anybody expects them to rush for six 24 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 2: point two yards to carry every game from here on out. 25 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 2: But can the run game the success they found Thursday night? 26 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 2: Can that be replicated or is that more of a 27 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 2: one off because of the Steelers. 28 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: I went through all the runs and all the most 29 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 1: notable runs especially, and all those plays, you can see 30 00:01:32,200 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: Chase Brown just doing remarkable things. And like, Chase Brown 31 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 1: is in Jamar Chase, But you know how, we just 32 00:01:38,040 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 1: expect Jamar to do remarkable things every week as long 33 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: as he has a quarterback who can functionally get him 34 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: the ball. Well, as long as Chase Brown has a 35 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,680 Speaker 1: quarterback who can functionally run the offense and make defenses, 36 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, play certain coverages and do this and that schematically, 37 00:01:54,600 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: then yeah, I think Chase Brown is a guy who's 38 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 1: more than talented enough to break a lot of tackles, 39 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: to break off one or two big runs a game. 40 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:05,320 Speaker 1: It's those explosive that really rack up the average, and 41 00:02:05,360 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: that's just who Chase is. When it's any sort of 42 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: functional offense. I think it wasn't even anything schematic. I 43 00:02:11,960 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 1: just think by having Flaco Chase Brown gets to be 44 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:15,119 Speaker 1: in self again. 45 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 2: You wrote an excellent story earlier in the week, or 46 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 2: may have been tail end of last week about this 47 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 2: defense being young by choice, Charlie. That feels like something 48 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 2: a rebuilding team would do as opposed to a team 49 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 2: and contention. Does it say more about the youth or 50 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: say more about the reality of their veterans. 51 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, if they wanted to, they could be starting Logan 52 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,160 Speaker 1: Wilson Orrin Burkes. You know Cam Taylor, BRIT's a fourth 53 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: year veteran. They could be starting all of these older players, 54 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: some of the veterans. You know, you look at Cam, 55 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,000 Speaker 1: you look at Geno Stone. I think Logan Wilson has 56 00:02:47,040 --> 00:02:49,520 Speaker 1: been fined, but put them in this group as well. 57 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: Just have regressed. And that's concerning for a defense that 58 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,280 Speaker 1: was counting on some semblance of veteran presence to lead 59 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: an otherwise young unit through the hide lows, because you 60 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: know Barret Carter, Demetrius Knight, Josh Newton, Volph Murphy, Samar Stewart, who, 61 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,520 Speaker 1: by the way, played a very poor game against the 62 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,639 Speaker 1: Steelers that hasn't been talked much about, but he kind 63 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 1: of quietly got his role reduced significantly, not quite benched, 64 00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 1: but that happened with Schamorrow over the course of the game. 65 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: Like that's life. When you're playing that many young players, 66 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: it's about what you expect, So there should be a 67 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,800 Speaker 1: lot of attention on man, these veterans are letting the 68 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: defense down significantly because those are the guys you thought 69 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 1: you'd be able to count on. 70 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 2: Charlie, you study these guys, and you've studied cam Taylor 71 00:03:35,880 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 2: Britt for a couple of years. How do you begin 72 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: to explain the fall off of a guy who at 73 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:43,119 Speaker 2: one point looked like an emerging core player to now 74 00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: being inactive. 75 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: It's just a massive organizational loss. Like I know, I 76 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:51,040 Speaker 1: don't expect the Bengals to, you know, be in the 77 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: divisional round this year. Maybe they do it for our 78 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: comes back, but these are the types of developments that 79 00:03:56,640 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: cost you Divisional AFC Championship game. When you have a 80 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 1: guy who's supposed to be a corner giving you a 81 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: matchup advantage against Josh Allen and it turns out doesn't 82 00:04:06,840 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 1: even have a place on the field. It reminds me 83 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: of a pitcher who just can't find the strike zone 84 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 1: and the way that that leads to an individual I 85 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: don't want to use the word spiring, but snowballing would 86 00:04:19,600 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: be the word I'm going for, because then you start 87 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: trying to do so much. And Cam it's just been 88 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: such a hyper active player as opposed to just locking 89 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: in on the fundamentals, the details. He's trying to use 90 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: another baseball analogy. You know, hit an eight run homer 91 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 1: when he steps up to the plate, and then when 92 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: he's over ten, then he's trying to hit a sixteen 93 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,000 Speaker 1: run homer. And he keeps digging and digging and digging 94 00:04:45,560 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: that hole. And you know, now today he's working on 95 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: special teams. I mean, this is seemingly how it's going 96 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: to be with him going forward. 97 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 2: You also had an excellent piece about the possibilities of 98 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 2: Jamar Chase and receptions, and I mean, if it sounds 99 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 2: funny to say out loud, but twenty catches isn't out 100 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: of the realm of possibility at a game Jays, isn't. 101 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,120 Speaker 1: I don't have the stats in front of me, Blake, 102 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: He's already one of six players in NFL history to 103 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,040 Speaker 1: have two games of fourteen catches and one of eighteen 104 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 1: players to have I believe more than like however, many 105 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 1: games of ten plus catches, but he's already proven that 106 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 1: he can get the ball as well as any receiver 107 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: in the history of the league at that level on 108 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 1: a consistent basis. Sixty catches on Thursday, there were two 109 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: catches overturned by replay, there were two so called drops, 110 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:40,920 Speaker 1: there were two defensive pass interference, Like he legitimately could 111 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,720 Speaker 1: have gotten twenty four catches. It was a really like 112 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 1: they're all fun, but this was a really fun story work, 113 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: and I just wanted our asking people how many could 114 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: Jamark get, like twenty twenty five? Thirty? Oh cool? Thirty 115 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:57,280 Speaker 1: was crazy. My answer after doing this deep dive and 116 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: talking to people is twenty five. Part of that too, 117 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 1: is the big thing with Jamar this year is they've 118 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: remade the screen game and that's really helped him. 119 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 2: You have the you've had your finger on the on 120 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 2: the pulse of this team through ups and downs over 121 00:06:10,200 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 2: the years. I wonder about the vibe now and the 122 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:17,400 Speaker 2: is there a true sense of found juice and now 123 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 2: possibilities for this team. 124 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,479 Speaker 1: I think that's the power of Flacco just in terms 125 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,200 Speaker 1: of everyone feels like they can do their job again 126 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: and operate in exactly the way I was described with 127 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:30,360 Speaker 1: Chase Brown. But I also want to be a little 128 00:06:30,440 --> 00:06:32,520 Speaker 1: cautious too, because, like you know, Joe Fla will look 129 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: like twenty twelve Joe flaccol the other day. He's still 130 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,240 Speaker 1: going to take a lot of stats. He's still going 131 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: to abandon downs by throwing the ball away too quickly. 132 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: Turnovers have been his biggest problem over the last few seasons. 133 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,200 Speaker 1: We haven't seen any yet, and that will probably come. 134 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,520 Speaker 1: So you know, Flacco's probably what the twenty fifth ish 135 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 1: best quarterback in football, and he's performed at the top 136 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: ten level over the last couple of weeks. So you 137 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:01,000 Speaker 1: have some concern as the pass rushers get more daunting, 138 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: as you face some sticky secondaries, as Slacker himself just 139 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: has games where he's not humming, where he's not rolling. 140 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: That's something they'll have to guard against. That will be 141 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: the challenge they face during the second half of the season. 142 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: But right now, Flacco has brought juice back to an 143 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 1: organization that had no juice, and that is worth a lot. 144 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: Try to I gotta drop a reds question too before 145 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 2: I let your run always great catch it up. I 146 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 2: talked to La last night. I'll ask you what, in 147 00:07:28,440 --> 00:07:31,840 Speaker 2: your mind, what is Elie's best position for him and 148 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,520 Speaker 2: this team in twenty twenty six, And do you get 149 00:07:34,520 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: a sense that is an internal conversation. 150 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a conversation. I'm going to be at the 151 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: GM meetings in a couple of weeks, and that's my 152 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: number one question because you know, when I asked a 153 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 1: couple of weeks though, I think those conversations hadn't yet 154 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: been had. I think the underdiscussed Sure, you could very 155 00:07:55,000 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: well talk me into Elie playing center, but the underdiscussed 156 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: part of this is where the heck with the then 157 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 1: find another middle endfielder because Edwin Oriyo. We like Edwin Arroyo, 158 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: but the plan would not be to just plug Edwin 159 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,559 Speaker 1: into a spot in twenty twenty six. We like Avin 160 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: Lux you know, I think he's a polished hitter, but 161 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: the limitation t show defensively. The plan would not be 162 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: McLain at short, luckst second, you know, is it Stewart 163 00:08:19,400 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: at second? Like? Where are you finding that second basement? 164 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 1: If the Reds can find that and target that and 165 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: move pieces around and get Elliot center, Yeah, you know 166 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: you could talk me into that. You can also talk 167 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 1: me into the fact that they just don't have a 168 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 1: way to find realistically that type of player. So the 169 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: best combination that they can come up with still when 170 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: include Elliot's short We'll see, you know, we'll see. I 171 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: think it's just the true answer on that, the most 172 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: accurate thing I can report, and we'll see how the 173 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:47,960 Speaker 1: market unfolds. 174 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 2: Charlie, tell everybody what you've got cooking and where they 175 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 2: can read watch follow along? 176 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,120 Speaker 1: You hit it off the top Charlie Stockboard, substat Fox nineteen. 177 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 1: It's it's a fun time of year ago, you know. 178 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 1: So with the Bengals, we know who they are. Again 179 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 1: I mentioned some Reds off season stuff. So thanks for 180 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: having me. 181 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 2: You got it. Always good catching up. Hope we can 182 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 2: do it again soon. 183 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: Thank you. 184 00:09:10,160 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 2: There you go, Charlie Goldsmith Charlie's Chalkboard. How about that 185 00:09:14,480 --> 00:09:19,440 Speaker 2: for a jam packed, informative ten minutes plus with Charlie 186 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:20,880 Speaker 2: G very much enjoy it.