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Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham, the great American of course, and President is

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Speaker 1: producer Tony Bender very happy at four point thirty pm

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Speaker 1: to night out of CVG. But the man in charge

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Speaker 1: of Medicare and Medicaid in this country is doctor Oz,

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Speaker 1: a short tail friend of mine from the good old days,

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Speaker 1: and many questions, many issues about Thermo, Fisher Scientific and

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Speaker 1: more in doctor Oz. I think welcome again to the

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Speaker 1: Bill Cunningham shown, Doc how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Bill, love being with you.

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Speaker 3: President and I are traveling around Ohio, Kentucky. These are

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Speaker 3: parts of the country where he believes we are making

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Speaker 3: huge inroads making healthcare more affordable. In particular, we're visiting

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Speaker 3: a life sciences company outside of Cincinnati, heading to Kentucky

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Speaker 2: Folks as well.

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Speaker 3: And I think this broadly addresses the challenges that Americans

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Speaker 3: How much of that happened? Of course COVID we're desperately

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Speaker 2: Realm of reality. But of all the things that folks

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Speaker 3: In regard to affordability, healthcare is number one because if

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Speaker 1: Yeah, without your health, you have nothing. Wealth is interesting,

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Speaker 1: wealth is good. However, without health, you got nothing. Tell

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Speaker 1: pharmaceuticals get help?

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Speaker 3: Trump all X dot gov is the place where all

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Speaker 3: of the men, the deals we have struck with pharmaceutical

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Speaker 3: manufacturers are offered to the American people the best prices

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Speaker 3: know those weight loss drugs build they're so expensive they

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Speaker 2: And we've done that.

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Speaker 3: Because the President made an argument that we needed to

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Speaker 2: Let's explain what that means.

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Speaker 3: Right now, in America, at least until we made these deals,

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Speaker 3: And when we confronted the pharmaceutical companies on the instruction

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Speaker 2: We couldn't get away with this forever. Let's make a deal,

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Speaker 3: Every one of the big companies worked with Chris komp In, Hernandez,

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Speaker 1: So for decades, the American people, now you and I

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Speaker 1: How come we're in Explain to Tony Bender and the

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Speaker 2: Explain that these are powerful lobbies. They circle the wagons.

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Speaker 3: They trounce on the President, they'll beat up on Congress.

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Speaker 2: Half the profits are coming from America, it's wrong.

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Speaker 3: All these tariffs, they're used very carefully, judiciously, like a scalpel,

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Speaker 3: the argument lives are at risk. If you don't anty

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Speaker 3: Let's get the most innovative drugs. Let's cure diseases, not

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Speaker 2: The heart attacks, the kidney failure, all that cuts down.

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Speaker 3: So now, instead of paying for dialysis which is really expensive,

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Speaker 4: Has this not happened before?

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Speaker 1: Because the large insurance companies mainly give their political donations

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Speaker 3: The Democrats have sort of become the party of corporate America.

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Speaker 2: And I got news for you.

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Speaker 3: All these big companies they respect them. They might not

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Speaker 3: The President has those deals done through his term, through

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Speaker 1: In addition to being a real doctor and administrator of

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Speaker 3: Well, for years and years they've belive to. Of course,

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Speaker 2: But that's bigger than just stealing.

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Speaker 2: This is terrible. We're not gonna let this happen anymore.

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Speaker 1: Social adult care centers? What a scam? Social adult care centers?

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Speaker 1: how long will this take? And how much money? About

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Speaker 4: Doctor Oz, you're a great American a minute. You're the man. Medicare.

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Speaker 1: Medicaid fraud is rampant, criminality is everywhere. I want to

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Speaker 1: thanks for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. I first

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Speaker 1: met you about fifteen years ago. Maybe in fifteen years

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Speaker 2: What do you think?

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Speaker 3: I think, Bill, If you're up for it, I'll do

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Speaker 3: a lot more. Let's cover this fraud story, in particular.

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Speaker 2: In the affordability. And I don't have to be in Ohio.

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Speaker 2: You know, I was born in Cleveland, by the way,

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Speaker 2: so that's too bad. It's like a home. Too bad.

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Speaker 2: It's home territories for me. But come bid you plenty more.

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Speaker 1: God bless America, doctor Oz, thank you very much, Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Let's continue, And of course the President is going to

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Speaker 1: great work, but it's.

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Speaker 4: Trumparx dot gov. Check it out.

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Speaker 1: If you need any drug pharmaceutical, check it out. The

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Speaker 1: They're not going to cover it, TRUMPRX dot Gov, Bill

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