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Speaker 1: All right, it is that time. Taking a look outside

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Speaker 1: about plumbing. When it gets cold and gloomy, that's when

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Speaker 1: we need our help from our friends at Roota Ruter.

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Speaker 1: And that's exactly who I have, Paul Abrams. Paul, welcome

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Speaker 1: again to that home with Gary Sullivan. Good to see you, Gary, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 1: how you doing all right?

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Speaker 2: You know you were talking about that gloominess and yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm out of hibernation. I'm waiting for the sun to

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Speaker 2: come out and I'm going to finish all of my

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Speaker 2: winter rising today.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's talk a little bit about that, because Rota Ruter.

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Speaker 1: What a legacy name. I know you guys are throughout

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Speaker 1: pops in many of our heads. And on your website

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Speaker 1: I've said this main time, paulse you got really informative

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Speaker 2: Yeah, sure, well you said it. I mean, we've got

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Speaker 2: so much information at rotoroter dot com. If you miss

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Speaker 2: something that Gary and I talk about today, go there

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Speaker 2: search winter Rising and you'll find all kinds of blogs

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Speaker 2: causes problems is is frozen pipes, and it's usually that

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Speaker 2: outdoor faucet. So everybody listening go out there after this.

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Speaker 2: Disconnect your outdoor hoses for sure, before you cover them

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Speaker 1: For sure. For sure. Yeah, I've been preaching that since

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Speaker 1: people think that frostproof faucet prevents everything, But if that

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you know, I've got those frostproof hose beds

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Speaker 2: and you know, rest easy this winter without that extra

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Speaker 1: You know, heaven doing you know, doing this show for

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Speaker 1: like thirty nine years, Paul, I always equate winter time

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Speaker 1: with water heater questions. Now, the water heater for the

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Speaker 1: when it gets cold outside, it's tough on plumbing.

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Speaker 2: It is, you know, it's the it's that elephant in

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's great to start out doing that and keep

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Speaker 2: running too long. I've had one to do that before.

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Speaker 2: It's a good time to get it, get it taken

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and you want that some pump to be

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, any pipes that are exposed to the

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Speaker 1: But you get some older housing, no insulation in walls,

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Speaker 2: And what you have to think about is when it

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Speaker 1: I know, folks call rotor ruter when they have plumbing

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Speaker 1: problems and also drain problems. Is there any drain maintenance

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Speaker 2: Sure, when things are slow, Uh, you know, you think

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Speaker 2: about your house, which drains typically run slow. The shower

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Speaker 2: and boy, but it seems like, you know, every six

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Speaker 2: So you can get one of those little you know,

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Speaker 2: there and even put a hook in a metal coat hanger.

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Speaker 2: you'll be surprised what you catch down there. Do that

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Speaker 1: And we put so much of that gunk in there ourselves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, create a punch list because you get second job discount,

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