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Speaker 1: This is the Mark Mann Show.

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Speaker 2: River Hans Top of the Egg, River Hans, Riverhuns, top

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Speaker 2: of the EUE, Liverpool three nil losers at home to

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Speaker 2: the nineteenth place team. Somebody came up to me. I

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Speaker 2: was at Shiloh Playton Port for a River Hans watch

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Speaker 2: party Saturday. It went great, great place up there, and

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Speaker 2: the guy came up to me from behind when UH

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Speaker 2: Liverpool had just conceded the third goal to Forest and

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Speaker 2: he said, how's it going big sexy? And rather than explode,

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Speaker 2: I just kind of grimaced and said, it's not going

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Speaker 2: real good.

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Speaker 1: Any hoodles, you can call now.

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Speaker 2: Next segment calls on the fifteenth, which is so fetch

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Speaker 2: a three three four one two wxdx U. Miles Garrett

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Speaker 2: is going to break TJ watch single season sack record.

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Speaker 2: Garrett already has eighteen. Watt had twenty two and a

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Speaker 2: half a couple years back when he said it he's

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Speaker 2: invisible now. He had the script and Sacho jerk it

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Speaker 2: over that for a while. They lost. And when Garrett

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Speaker 2: does break TJ Watt's single season sack record, I will

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Speaker 2: celebrate on the show. If Miles Garrett wants to come

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Speaker 2: on the show, I would be more than happy to

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Speaker 2: have him because TJ. Watt is meathead, Jim teacher whiner,

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Speaker 2: made a big deal out of getting paid more than

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Speaker 2: Miles Garrett, and now he is okay, if you want

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Speaker 2: paid more than Miles Garrett, be better than Miles Garrett's

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Speaker 2: and he's not even close. I know a lot of

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Speaker 2: you out there idolized TJ. Watt, and that says a

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Speaker 2: lot about him, about the Steelers and about you. Did

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Speaker 2: you idolize a guy who is the poster boy for

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Speaker 2: the Steelers underachieving as a team. He's been great his

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Speaker 2: whole time here, but he can't get the team to

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Speaker 2: do anything. Cam Hayward can't get the team to do anything.

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Speaker 2: DK brought him in, gave him a ton of money,

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Speaker 2: can't get the team to do anything. The big money bozo,

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Speaker 2: that's who's letting y'all down, Not Mason Rudolph. That number again,

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Speaker 2: eighty three to three, four one two wxdx. Here's the

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Speaker 2: hidden value from yesterday's game at Chicago. If you want

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Speaker 2: to take something.

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Speaker 1: To get away from it, here goes.

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Speaker 2: Rogers will benefit by the game off at forty one

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Speaker 2: and hurt Grandpas sitting out getting out of Harm's way.

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Speaker 2: That's a good thing, whether inadvertently or not, it's a solid,

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Speaker 2: big picture move.

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Speaker 1: We saw that bracelet Rogers war.

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Speaker 2: It looked big and clumsy and convinced me Rogers did

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Speaker 2: the right thing by not playing. And I believe it's

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Speaker 2: a hunch, but I believe that decision was made by him. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you knew Rogers playing meant winning yesterday, you would

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Speaker 2: have taken that risk that he doesn't get hurt worse.

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Speaker 2: And I would liked to have seen him out there

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Speaker 2: for those last two possessions. That was Rogers time. But

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Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent sure Rogers wins yesterday because

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Speaker 2: the cowardly offensive game plan would still be there and

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Speaker 2: the bad coaching and the defense would still suck. Although

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Speaker 2: Rogers would have caught that illegal formation. That said, he

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Speaker 2: would not have scrambled for twenty two yards like Mason

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Speaker 2: Rudolph did.

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Speaker 1: Everything is nuts so about the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Like we've been talking about, Pickens was so good for

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Speaker 2: Dallas yesterday, Kansas City won, but is still not in

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Speaker 2: a playoff spot. New England's ten and two Shador wins

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Speaker 2: his first start played. Okay, did not get a game ball,

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Speaker 2: not because he's black, but because he's not.

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Speaker 1: White, a night kid.

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Speaker 2: Because the notion that people don't want a black quarterback

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Speaker 2: quarterbacks is absurd. The notion that Kevin Stefanski, the Cleveland coach,

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Speaker 2: that also is absurd. So your calls in, where are

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Speaker 2: the Steelers headed? How do you see this team right now?

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Speaker 2: Was it Rudolph's fault? I blame the defense, I blame

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Speaker 2: tom in eight three three, four to one two WSDX.

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Speaker 2: It's all happening. The NFL is just so fetch. What

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Speaker 2: if the Steelers beat Buffalo, they beat New England Indy

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Speaker 2: and let me tell you they're not better than New

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Speaker 2: England and Indy.

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Speaker 1: Well, Indy, I don't know. Maybe Dandy Dimes is fading.

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Speaker 2: How about New England would be eleven and one if

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Speaker 2: they beat the Steelers, and New England should have They

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Speaker 2: gave the game away with all those takeaways the Steelers got.

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Speaker 2: Penguins only got one point out of four. On the weekend,

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Speaker 2: Dan Muse flipped out and should Penguins look like they're

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Speaker 2: in trouble. I could be wrong, but I'm not bad

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Speaker 2: body language. Players playing bad you know, you know they

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Speaker 2: played bad hockey at inopportune times, like that overtime loss

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Speaker 2: Seattle came down kind of a mess shot and Morishoff

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Speaker 2: couldn't make the stop. They watched eight of eleven. They

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Speaker 2: got some loser points mixed in there. But like I said,

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Speaker 2: bad body language, definitely in a funk, and Muse was

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Speaker 2: pissed afterwards, should have been, and I like to hear it. So,

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Speaker 2: like I said, get your calls in now eight three, three,

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Speaker 2: about the Steelers, that defense, how they can't put sixty

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Speaker 2: minutes together, how they can't play well on both sides

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Speaker 2: of the ball in the same game. The national media

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Speaker 2: is finally figuring the Steelers out, I think. But all

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Speaker 2: it takes is beating Buffalo for everyone to be fooled again,

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Speaker 2: and probably locally.

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Speaker 1: Too, although maybe not, maybe not. I don't know. No,

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Speaker 1: you're stupid. You'll get fooled again.

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Speaker 2: You'll get fooled as many times as DVE plays won't

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Speaker 2: get fooled again on.

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Speaker 1: Their playlist, and that's a lot too. I'm starting to.

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Speaker 2: Think that Cam Hayward won't get his okie dope bonuses.

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Speaker 2: Starting to think that a sac and a half in

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Speaker 2: eleven games, starting to think that he better be content

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Speaker 2: with the tens of millions that he's already got. You know,

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Speaker 2: here's the saddest part of all from yesterday or funniest,

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Speaker 2: depends on your point of view. Uh, the Steelers should

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Speaker 2: have won that game. It was right there to win.

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Speaker 2: Caleb Williams had a bad first half. Chicago was missing

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Speaker 2: its three best linebackers, which of course was the Steelers'

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Speaker 2: coup to never throw in the middle of the field.

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Speaker 2: The game was there to win, and the Steelers didn't.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers didn't. I hate the defense, hate them, hate them.

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Speaker 2: If you're on that defense, I hate you. Maybe not Ramsey,

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Speaker 2: although Ramsey missed the tackle, made some bad Yeah yeah, Jalen,

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Speaker 2: No offense got a lumpy and hate you as well. Uh,

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Speaker 2: Bear's got fourteen points off turnovers, and yeah that's on Rudolph.

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Speaker 2: He made both toneovers, picking a fumble. But the defense

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Speaker 2: is allowed to make a stop. You know when I

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Speaker 2: saw somebody tweet at the end of the game. Can't

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Speaker 2: blame the defense. They got to stop and got the Steelers.

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Speaker 1: The ball back late. Rudolph couldn't convert. Yeah, he couldn't go.

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Speaker 2: The length of the field in like in like ninety

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Speaker 2: What a bunch of marks you are? Okay, get your

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Speaker 2: calls in now. And I have been showing a lot

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Speaker 2: of contempt for the audience today. And if you don't call,

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Speaker 2: I won't blame you, and I will eviserate you if

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Speaker 2: you're stupid.

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Speaker 1: Just fair warning. One oh five ninety X every weekday

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Speaker 1: at ten am, he.

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Speaker 3: Pulled Mark you are super genius.

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Speaker 1: I know the ex at one five nine.

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Speaker 2: It's the segment everybody's talking about. Calls on the fifteens.

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Speaker 2: We do it at three fifteen and four fifteen because

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Speaker 2: the people want to talk to the super genius. Somebody

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Speaker 2: should sponsor because it is so fetch. Let's go to

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Speaker 2: John and Waynesburg. John, you're on with double M cool.

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Speaker 3: Hey, mark ersos just wanted to say thanks.

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Speaker 1: Early during the show.

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Speaker 4: I've loved it for years.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to say yeah, do you think part of

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Speaker 5: the Steelers problem is that.

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Speaker 3: They paid everybody, and no one steels very incentivized to

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Speaker 3: work anymore, and they just kind of coast through the season.

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Speaker 2: No, I don't think they're coasting at all. I just

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Speaker 2: don't think they're very good. I think they paid guys

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Speaker 2: when they're not no good no more. I think they

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Speaker 2: paid TJ. Watt for what he used to be. I

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Speaker 2: Although to be fair, Cam did have an All Pro

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Speaker 2: season just last year, but I think that turned out

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Speaker 2: to be a last gasp, but not a new beginning.

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Speaker 1: I think it's just an old team.

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Speaker 2: I think that's the biggest problem is that a lot

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Speaker 2: of their their quality players are past their prime.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Mark, thank you. Let's go to Scooch at Hope

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Speaker 1: Well Scooch. You're all with double M.

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Speaker 5: What an absolute clown show this organization has become. They

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Speaker 5: think they're so high and mighty. They have a forty

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Speaker 5: one year old quarterback that's probably coming back next year

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Speaker 5: because they don't know what to do. They got thirty

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Speaker 5: four year old Darius Slay who's constantly hurt. They trade

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Speaker 5: Nko for Jami Ramsey, who's supposed to be your lockdown corner,

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Speaker 5: who's thinking so bad they move him to safety, your

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Speaker 5: Turnstiles playing an offensive tackle. You give a linebacker in

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Speaker 5: his thirties forty one million dollars a year, so you

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Speaker 5: can rub it in mouth Garett's face that we have

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Speaker 5: a higher paid player than you. They are an absolute disgrace.

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Speaker 5: They think that their they're mediocrity, massive, consistency, common who

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Speaker 5: should have went after the Browns playoff loss? They are

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Speaker 5: an absolute this straight.

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Speaker 2: Did you write that down? Because that was very well

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Speaker 2: delivered and complete and correct.

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Speaker 1: He hung up.

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Speaker 2: Wow, drop the mic. Uh yeah, what that guy said.

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Speaker 2: And it's not gonna get fixed. It is mediocrity, masters, consistency,

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Speaker 2: conceal the fact that the hypocychcloid is a flawed logo.

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Speaker 2: Now let's go to James in Sarasota. James, you're all

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Speaker 2: with Mark.

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Speaker 6: Hey, Mark, good to hear from you, see you call

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Speaker 6: you hey. I think the biggest mystery dealing with probably

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Speaker 6: the Steelers offenses. And if you can back me up

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Speaker 6: on this, maybe look it up. You've got John hu

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Speaker 6: Smith you've got Friar Move and you've got Washington. Washington

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Speaker 6: is an absolute beast, a real danger. He can block,

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Speaker 6: he can catch, he can.

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Speaker 1: Do it all.

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Speaker 6: You've got Friar Moves, who.

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Speaker 7: Probably has the best hands on the team. It's always

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Speaker 7: scoring a touchdown with limited attempts. And then you've got

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Speaker 7: John Whu Smith who can't do any of it, but

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Speaker 7: yet he gets the most targets in the most playing time.

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Speaker 6: Can you please.

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Speaker 2: Explain, you know, I think Smith's a good tight end.

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Speaker 2: I think all of the tight ends have been misused,

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Speaker 2: even Darnell Washington, who had that viral clip a week

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Speaker 2: ago and he broke all those tackles, but I think

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Speaker 2: only got two passes yesterday. And it also I agree

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Speaker 2: with the tight ends not being used properly. I've been

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Speaker 2: saying for weeks that the tight ends were not be forced.

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Speaker 2: They were supposed to be when they assemble what was

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Speaker 2: thought to be a very diverse and talented group. And

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Speaker 2: I want to add too, that not throwing to the

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Speaker 2: middle of the field. Look at that touchdown you mentioned

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Speaker 2: with Firemouth. That was a great throw in the middle

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Speaker 2: of the field where Rudolph had the patience to wait

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Speaker 2: for coverage to clear. There's just so much wrong with

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Speaker 2: name of cowardice and being scared of your own shadow

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Speaker 4: The reason I was calling. Did you see how the

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Speaker 4: No, but it.

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Speaker 2: Usually your calls are pretty good. But that's nitpicky pitoy stuff.

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Speaker 5: How about this prediction when when the Steelers play Cleveland,

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Speaker 2: I don't think Garrett would do that, and I don't

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and then we could start calling Watt Gastonoe and

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Speaker 2: Matt, I gotta ask him about a few moments, specifically

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Speaker 2: Would you have tried the sixty four yard field goal

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Speaker 3: But it's more the little things like taking on double teams,

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Speaker 3: And I know that makes me unpopular, but oh well, we're.

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Speaker 1: Talking about Williamson.

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Speaker 2: How Rudolph play the game plan certainly wasn't very courageous.

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Speaker 1: I thought he kind of did what was there. Mostly.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, that's fair.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

437
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Speaker 1: Now, the running game was very good, as we talked about.

438
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Speaker 2: But in an odd way, did that prove that running

439
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Speaker 2: the ball isn't enough, especially in today's league.

440
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Speaker 1: This league's not about long drives.

441
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Speaker 2: Now, I'm going to contradict myself by saying I thought

442
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Speaker 2: they dumped out of the running game late, a little

443
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Speaker 2: too early.

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Speaker 3: I did too, Now, I thought they could have played

445
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Speaker 3: with more urgency on those final couple drives coming from

446
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Speaker 3: behind him, and they were long, sustained drives that you

447
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Speaker 3: know didn't But they're not strike offense, especially the way

448
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Speaker 3: that they're playing.

449
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Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes don't you got to be?

450
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Speaker 2: You all? You got to be?

451
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Speaker 3: To me, that's their biggest problem throughout the course of

452
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Speaker 3: the season is they allow way more explosive plays than

453
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Speaker 3: they create, especially in the passing game. Is kind of

454
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Speaker 3: the nuts and bolts of their problem. Now we can

455
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Speaker 3: figure out why, and there's a lot of reasons for it.

456
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Speaker 3: But I'm very optimistic that the things I'm happiest about

457
00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 3: are the offensive line from top to bottom, which I

458
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Speaker 3: think is really in a good place right now and

459
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Speaker 3: played really really well, and more the running game in general.

460
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Speaker 3: The backs and the running game in general, I thought

461
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Speaker 3: was a really promising day for them. Now, one of

462
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Speaker 3: them was kind of a goofy play on the fake

463
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Speaker 3: push push, you know, and that'sw some of the stats

464
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Speaker 3: a little, but consistently, over and over, they were very

465
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Speaker 3: successful on the ground.

466
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Speaker 2: Once again, the tight ends weren't a big factor, and

467
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Speaker 2: once again DK Metcaltain too much. But I was talking

468
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Speaker 2: with tom My producer a bit earlier, and we kind

469
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Speaker 2: of think that the reason the tight ends aren't a

470
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Speaker 2: factor is because if the game plans refusal to throw

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Speaker 2: to the middle of the field, do you think that's correct.

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Speaker 3: I think there's a lot to do with it. I mean,

473
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Speaker 3: which to me is, if you're going to be so

474
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Speaker 3: tight and centric with your team build, you have to

475
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Speaker 3: throw to the middle of the field. Now, yeah, I

476
00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 3: mean I think that's cut and dry, especially with a

477
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Speaker 3: bunch of backup linebackers on the field. Now, I'm sure

478
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Speaker 3: you know what we're missing with that short statement is

479
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 3: the Bears are the scariest team in the league in

480
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Speaker 3: terms of taking the football away and most bad things slash,

481
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Speaker 3: you know, giveaways, happen in the middle of the field.

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Speaker 3: So I'm sure in a very conservative nature they stressed

483
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Speaker 3: can't turn the ball over. We're going to avoid the

484
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Speaker 3: middle of the field, and then you get the backup

485
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Speaker 3: quarterback and that probably was exemplified. But if your guys

486
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 3: on the outside aren't ball winners, and that includes metcalf,

487
00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 3: I mean that these guys are not George Pickens making

488
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 3: plays outside the numbers on deep balls, and the other

489
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 3: two are very small and they play small in the

490
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Speaker 3: balls in the air, then what's the answer for where

491
00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 3: the big plays come in the passing game or the

492
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 3: consistent plays come in the passing game? And they really

493
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Speaker 3: don't have those answers right now.

494
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Speaker 2: This feels like a bad loss, Matt, even though it

495
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,399
Speaker 2: was non conference, even though it was non division. You

496
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 2: look at the AFC, the AFC North Baltimore one. Everything

497
00:26:33,119 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 2: good the Steelers had going for him in the standings

498
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 2: just vanished in the wink of one loss.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, you know, And going into the game,

500
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Speaker 3: I thought, you know, this could be a really good

501
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Speaker 3: and I don't take these statement back, but when everyone's

502
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Speaker 3: asking it's just a good time to sit rogers, let

503
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Speaker 3: them get healthy, I thought, yes, you know, it's an

504
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 3: NFC game. Mathematically, it doesn't hurt you as bad if

505
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 3: you lose it. I'm sure all of Rodgers other ailments

506
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:04,520
Speaker 3: which every football player has, let alone, a forty one

507
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 3: year old will be happy with the week off. But

508
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 3: you're right, it kind of felt like all the play

509
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,119
Speaker 3: techtonics of the AFC went against them. You know, Kansas

510
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 3: City's looking good, Jacksonville starting to win games. The Ravens won,

511
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,960
Speaker 3: you know, I mean over and over and over. It's like, ooh,

512
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 3: you're in a lot worse situation than you were two

513
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Speaker 3: days ago.

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Speaker 2: I too think it was the best thing to sit

515
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Speaker 2: Rogers night. I think hunch he probably made that decision

516
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: and for the better. That said, do you think they

517
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Speaker 2: win that game with Rogers at quarterback?

518
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Speaker 3: Yes? I think it was close enough that he could

519
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,920
Speaker 3: be the difference. However, if he played like he did

520
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 3: against Chargers, he answers no, But I definitely think his

521
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 3: brain would have been useful. And I definitely think one

522
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,280
Speaker 3: or two deep shots gets completed and that might have

523
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Speaker 3: been enough.

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Speaker 2: But don't they I'm gonna throw more deep shots regardless

525
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: of who's in there.

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Speaker 3: I think they need to do more intermediate passing. I mean,

527
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Speaker 3: I go balls down on the sidelines to me are fine,

528
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Speaker 3: But I just don't know who's good at him on

529
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Speaker 3: this team. Now, from a receiver standpoint, it's not Metcalf

530
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 3: unless he runs past people. To me, that's more of

531
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Speaker 3: a Pickens type thing. But yes, I absolutely think they

532
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 3: have to. It's not the way you phrased the question.

533
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Speaker 3: But less short passing, reliant.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and more middle of the field.

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Speaker 2: They're just so much I'd like to overhaul about their

536
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Speaker 2: passing game. And you mentioned George Pickens, and he's certainly

537
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Speaker 2: a big topic on today's show because of how great

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Speaker 2: he's been playing for Dallas, not least yesterday and they

539
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 2: went over Philadelphia.

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Speaker 1: But I'm also.

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Speaker 2: Convinced that they kept Pickens, that he would have just

542
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Speaker 2: been wasted in this offense.

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Speaker 1: They didn't change him for him last year.

544
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Speaker 2: They wouldn't change him for him this year, wouldn't mad

545
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Speaker 2: that Metcalf's on the other side, he's just not a

546
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Speaker 2: guy cut out for this offense for him and now, honestly.

547
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Speaker 1: I think he's a head case. But I totally understand

548
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Speaker 1: why he's happier there and was unhappy here.

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Speaker 3: Oh I do too, I do too. I mean, I

550
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 3: think there's a lot of layers to that conversation. Is

551
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Speaker 3: if I was his agent or an advisor in any way,

552
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Speaker 3: I would say, George, never leave Dallas. This is the

553
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 3: absolute perfect place on the planet for you for many reasons. Ownership, quarterback,

554
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 3: style of play, ceedee lamb, all these things, and yes,

555
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Speaker 3: he would not be having a All Pro season in

556
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Speaker 3: my opinion. With the other thing too, is Pickings has

557
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 3: gotten better every year he's coming to the league, so

558
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Speaker 3: this year going from where he was last year, So

559
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 3: now isn't that surprising. He might be the most talented

560
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Speaker 3: player in the league. And he's not a work ethic problem. Now.

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Speaker 3: The one thing I'll fight you on, though, is the

562
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Speaker 3: deep balls that they're attempting. He comes down with a

563
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Speaker 3: couple of them where these guys don't, you know, no question, I'd.

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Speaker 2: Never argue that with you. I mean, look at that

565
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 2: pick Rudolph threw right away. I don't absolve Rudolph for

566
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Speaker 2: blame for that early pick, Matt, but Metcalf almost made

567
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Speaker 2: no effort to try to come down with it, let

568
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Speaker 2: alone even break up the play.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think Metcalf's a good player.

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Speaker 1: He really is.

571
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Speaker 2: But I do too, But like you said frequently, he's

572
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Speaker 2: not good in combat catches exactly.

573
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Speaker 3: And I don't understand why everyone doesn't knows about him.

574
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Speaker 3: He never was in Seattle. He wins with size and speed, well,

575
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 3: he wins his speed and separation, you know, where throwing

576
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 3: up jump balls for him is not going to go well.

577
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Speaker 3: He just doesn't do that well. And just because he's big,

578
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Speaker 3: I think there's this misconception about that. And he is

579
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Speaker 3: a good player, but he can't be the one that

580
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 3: always has to deal with all the added coverage. Once

581
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Speaker 3: in a while, he needs a hand. He needs a

582
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Speaker 3: Tyler Lockett in his prime with a Smith Nijigba, you know,

583
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: coming into his own to really and that's not unusual

584
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Speaker 3: for most good receivers, you know, like if Yes T.

585
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Speaker 3: Higgins to do this role, it wouldn't be as good.

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Speaker 8: You know.

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Speaker 3: It's just they're treating him like he's better than he is.

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Speaker 2: I think where's Buffalo at They're not very good except

589
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 2: quarterback and running back.

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Speaker 1: That's how I see him.

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Speaker 4: I do too.

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Speaker 3: I think they're one of the most overrated rosters in

593
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Speaker 3: the league. It's an aggressive front office that's trying to

594
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Speaker 3: maximize the Josh Allen window, and they keep making all

595
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Speaker 3: these big moves, trading for von Miller, trading for Amari

596
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: Cooper and nothing gets better. I mean, they drafted defensive

597
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 3: line like crazy. This year, they drafted defense like crazy.

598
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 3: It's still a very underperforming defense. Their run defense isn't

599
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Speaker 3: very good. They're good up the middle. On offense, they're

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Speaker 3: o line, they're running back. As you said, Allen's a

601
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,480
Speaker 3: total superstar. But as much as any team in the league,

602
00:31:53,520 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 3: they are so reliant on their best player to be

603
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Speaker 3: the best player on the field, and he usually is,

604
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Speaker 3: but only eight out of ten times, which is remarkable

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Speaker 3: in its own own way.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's a long way to go, Matt, But

607
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Speaker 2: if you had to pick right now, will the Steelers

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Speaker 2: make the playoffs, win the division where they going to

609
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Speaker 2: wind up?

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Speaker 3: I lean towards they will not do either, And a

611
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Speaker 3: lot of it's just because of the way the AFC

612
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Speaker 3: went last this last week or so, and there is

613
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Speaker 3: a lot to play out, And frankly, I'm not that

614
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 3: impressed with Baltimore. They're winning, but Lamar doesn't look like

615
00:32:29,160 --> 00:32:32,600
Speaker 3: himself and some of their issues that were happening early

616
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 3: in the season aren't any better. But I still think

617
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Speaker 3: they should be the leader right now to win the

618
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Speaker 3: division and then all of a sudden though. Those seven

619
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Speaker 3: spots dry up pretty quick in the AFC. I mean,

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Speaker 3: New England's going, Denver's going, Indy's going. If Baltimore wins

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Speaker 3: the North, you don't have tie breakers against the Chargers. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I think the Chiefs are going to get in. I

623
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Speaker 3: think Buffalo's going to get in. Doesn't really leave you much.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel the same way.

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Speaker 2: I mean, things could if they beat Buffalo, things changed

626
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Speaker 2: right back.

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Speaker 1: But I'm not sure. Oh, I'm not sure that's gonna happen.

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Speaker 2: Matt.

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Speaker 1: There's always great stuff, fantastic insight. We'll do it again.

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Speaker 3: Next week, all right, Mark, I think they need to

631
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Speaker 3: win one of these next two.

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Speaker 2: I think it would be better if they won both.

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