WEBVTT - Mike Allen in for Sloanie 1-13-26 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:01.720 A keyword on our website. 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:03.600 Happy. That's happy. 0:00:04.000 --> 0:00:10.080 Enter it now, you want to be in Americanity. This Radio 0:00:10.280 --> 0:00:14.160 seven hundred WLW Mike Allen in for Scott Sloan this morning. 0:00:14.920 --> 0:00:18.920 I will be in for him Thursday as well. 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:19.200 Well. 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:21.880 I'll tell you what, there's a lot going on both 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:27.880 locally and nationally. The big story that everybody's talking about, 0:00:28.040 --> 0:00:30.760 and I mean talking about it more today, I think, 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:35.240 is the situation with the what's been referred to by 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:38.960 the police union president and I agree a backroom deal 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:45.519 with the Hinton family with respect to the shooting that occurred, 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.519 which the county prosecutor County Pillage ruled that it was 0:00:49.560 --> 0:00:55.440 a justifiable shooting. But apparently the city of Cincinnati wants, 0:00:55.800 --> 0:00:59.240 through the city manager in the administration, not so much 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:01.800 at least for two council members. And we're going to 0:01:01.800 --> 0:01:04.480 talk about those two in a minute. They want to 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.800 give them money. I don't really know why. I don't 0:01:07.920 --> 0:01:11.640 get the theory behind it. And you know, I've heard 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:15.800 it times. I got coffee this morning. You know, hey, 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:19.120 I guess crime really does pay in Cincinnati. People are 0:01:19.360 --> 0:01:23.360 really really honked off about this, and you know, the 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:27.360 FOP president as I said Ken Kober good Man, Great 0:01:27.480 --> 0:01:29.959 FOP President, he kind of blew the whistle on this 0:01:30.040 --> 0:01:36.400 thing last week. City Council went into executive session yesterday afternoon. 0:01:37.120 --> 0:01:40.160 Executive session is a situation where they go in a 0:01:40.240 --> 0:01:45.200 room and the public can't be there, the media certainly 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:49.640 can't be there, and they talk about settlements things like that, 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:54.680 different things, but mainly financial deals. And I get it 0:01:54.920 --> 0:01:59.480 there's a good reason for executive session, but I don't 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:02.680 think this one is. But anyway, they talked about it, 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:06.360 although we can't really say for sure that they talked 0:02:06.400 --> 0:02:09.040 about it because nobody no one would confirm it, but 0:02:09.080 --> 0:02:12.600 I'm sure that's what they talked about for about two hours. 0:02:13.320 --> 0:02:17.480 They all came out. Nobody's saying anything. So I think 0:02:17.520 --> 0:02:20.520 this is one where the city, through the administration, kind 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:24.520 of walked in uh Tiger's den in this thing, and 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.280 people aren't happy about it. I'll tell you what. Just 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.920 in the this thing broke last week. I don't know 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:32.799 how many people have stopped me and want to talk 0:02:32.840 --> 0:02:36.120 about this because they're p oed. I mean, you know, 0:02:36.440 --> 0:02:40.119 this family. I don't know why the City of Cincinnati. 0:02:40.160 --> 0:02:44.080 I'm talking about the Hinton family would want to reward them. 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:51.040 I mean, the father is on trial for just brutally 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:57.240 brutally murdering a police officer with his vehicle. Well, anyway, 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:01.160 like I said, they met behind closed doors yesterday. Again, 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:04.920 we think they were probably talking about the settlement with 0:03:05.040 --> 0:03:09.359 the family of Ryan Hinton. Now, the kid Ryan, he's 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.120 an eighteen year old. He was fatally shot by police. 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.720 And you know, I certainly don't have all the information, 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:19.440 but have a little experience in doing these things, and 0:03:19.520 --> 0:03:23.240 from everything that I've seen, it sure looks to me 0:03:23.400 --> 0:03:26.919 like the prosecute was right. He was a justifiable shooting. 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.840 But the news of the possible settlement last week, as 0:03:31.880 --> 0:03:36.360 I said, sparked some really strong reactions from the police union. 0:03:37.080 --> 0:03:42.000 And this settlement, potential settlement, it follows on the heels 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:46.400 of the city paying eight point one million bucks to 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:51.840 protesters who were arrested in the what some referred to 0:03:51.880 --> 0:03:58.800 as the racial Justice protest in two thousand. But with 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.960 respect to what we're talking about here, the hint and deal, 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:06.200 the city manager, Cheryl Long, she said last week that 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:10.200 the city definitely has not reached the settlement agreement. Didn't 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:17.000 say they didn't talk about it. The attorney for the 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:20.320 Hinting family, he didn't want to talk about it either, 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:23.719 and of course he's representing his client. I understand that, 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:29.120 but it's just a deal. Where Like Ken Kober, the 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:34.320 FOP president, said, why would you do this in executive session? Well, 0:04:34.360 --> 0:04:36.599 I understand it from the city's point of view. But 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:39.800 Ken went on to say, hey, doesn't the public have 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:42.520 a right to know what the hell's going on and 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.159 how their money's being spent? And you know, I have 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:48.359 to say that I agree with him on that, but 0:04:48.440 --> 0:04:50.359 we're going to keep our eyes on this one and 0:04:50.839 --> 0:04:53.359 see what happens. But I did, I did, and I 0:04:53.360 --> 0:04:56.640 did this Saturday too. On my Saturday show. I wanted 0:04:56.680 --> 0:05:01.440 to point out two people, two council members Democrats, who 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:05.279 had the stones to stand up and I think do 0:05:05.400 --> 0:05:07.760 the right thing, and I wanted to kind of talk 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:09.039 about them for a minute. 0:05:09.040 --> 0:05:09.200 Here. 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.400 One was Jeff Kramerting. He's the chair of the Budget, 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:16.640 Finance and Governance Committee, and he said pretty unequivocally, he 0:05:16.680 --> 0:05:19.719 doesn't support a settlement with the Hinton family. And here's 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.839 what he said. I'm going to quote him directly. Councilman 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:25.680 Kramerton said, I think the city's position is that the 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:29.760 officer has done nothing wrong. I see nothing in the 0:05:29.880 --> 0:05:34.039 video contrary to that. I do not feel a settlement 0:05:34.200 --> 0:05:37.279 is warranted. I think that would send the wrong message 0:05:37.320 --> 0:05:40.600 to the Cincinnati Police. Well, you better believe it. I mean, 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:46.520 they are honked off about this, and justifiably so. Councilman 0:05:46.960 --> 0:05:49.080 Seth Walsh. And by the way, I met him a 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.640 couple of weeks ago at a function and frote an 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:56.800 impressive young man. He called the situation, in his words, abhorrent. 0:05:57.440 --> 0:05:59.480 But here's what he had to say. I think this 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:03.960 some it up just perfectly. He says, it is a 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:08.040 tremendous disrespect to the families involved and to make the 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.400 public and to make a public spectacle out of a tragedy. 0:06:12.080 --> 0:06:14.720 I think it's unconscionable for the City of Cincinnati to 0:06:14.839 --> 0:06:19.120 be considering a settlement without the full deliberation of council. 0:06:19.720 --> 0:06:24.560 The tragedy that unfolded in May devastated our community, and 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:29.159 it is our responsibility to heal the wreckage, not create 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:35.880 more division. Amen, and thanks to you, Councilman Seth Walsh. 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:40.240 I mean, he's he's got the tone in the feel 0:06:40.320 --> 0:06:43.640 of what the public is thinking, I think, and both 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:47.039 he and counsel in cramity through their strong statements, I 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:49.839 think they've made it very clear where they stand. Now. 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:54.440 Whether that can translate into majority of council and the 0:06:54.480 --> 0:06:58.360 mayor jumping on board for no settlement, I don't know. 0:06:58.560 --> 0:07:00.560 We'll just have to see in the coming days. But 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.160 you know, it sure like seems like down at city 0:07:04.200 --> 0:07:06.960 Hall the right hand doesn't know what the left hand 0:07:07.080 --> 0:07:10.080 is doing half the time. And you know they had 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:13.520 a situation with the fire chief, and again I don't 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:16.920 know who made the call. I guess counseled collectively to 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:21.360 pay eight point one million dollars to protesters, But it 0:07:21.400 --> 0:07:24.080 doesn't make any sense to me. Hey, I'm gonna take 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:25.640 a break here for a minute, but I wanted to 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:28.080 let you know you can call in if you have 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:31.280 an opinion on this. Seven four nine, seven thousand, one, 0:07:31.320 --> 0:07:34.520 eight hundred the big one. Those are the numbers, and 0:07:35.040 --> 0:07:38.800 I've got open lines from nine thirty to ten, so 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.000 if you want to call, I'll give his call. Seven 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.720 four nine, seven thousand, one eight hundred. The big one 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:47.200 are the numbers. Mike Allen in for Slowey seven hundred 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:53.720 WLW Kay, We're back Mike Allen in for Sloaney seven 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:58.600 hundred WLW today and Thursday, Well, we talked about the 0:07:58.640 --> 0:08:03.000 situation with the City of Cincinnati meeting in executive session 0:08:03.760 --> 0:08:07.240 to discuss a potential settlement on the Hinting case. I 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:09.680 wanted to talk about something else here just for a moment, 0:08:09.800 --> 0:08:13.000 and then we'll break go to news and then I'll 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:16.239 take your calls. Seven four nine, seven thousand, one, eight hundred, 0:08:16.320 --> 0:08:18.880 The big one are the numbers. But I wanted to 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:23.160 talk about this because it's coming up today the Supreme Court, 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:26.480 United States Supreme Court is going to hear oral arguments 0:08:26.520 --> 0:08:30.560 today on two big cases that have to do with 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:35.880 men in women's sports. It's not even a close question 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:38.199 as far as what the public thinks, and I'll give 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.480 you that in just a second here, But anyway, it's 0:08:41.600 --> 0:08:45.440 challenging the state bands these two cases, ones from West Virginia, 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:50.520 the other ones from Idaho. Challenging these bands on transgender 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:54.840 athletes and girls and women's sports, and it can also 0:08:55.080 --> 0:08:58.280 impact about twenty other states who have similar laws. So 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:02.040 it's important, you know, Honestly, sometimes it's hard for me 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:06.040 to fathom that in the year twenty twenty five, twenty 0:09:06.120 --> 0:09:12.840 twenty six. We're talking about biological men in women's sports. 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:18.720 The whole thing is it's just an absurdity in and 0:09:18.760 --> 0:09:22.800 of itself. But hey, that's just me. The people involved 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:28.160 transgender athlete Becky pepper Jackson, she's in the West Virginia case, 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:33.960 and Lindsey Heacox, she's with the Idaho case. They're both 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:37.680 arguing that the bands violate Title nine of the Equal 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:41.600 Protection Clause. The states come back and they say what 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:47.200 they say that They assert that fair competition for cisgender 0:09:47.360 --> 0:09:51.280 females and I guess that's the term coming out of 0:09:51.320 --> 0:09:55.520 the college campus for females who are not transgender. I 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.560 don't know, you know, they make up all these new 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:03.200 terms and statements. I've made it a point not to 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:06.240 say them, actually try to figure out what the hell 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:09.880 they are. But here's the thing. Here's the athlete's argument. 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:14.920 They say that the bands discriminate against transgender girls and women, 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:19.320 violating Title nine. Again, Title nine. It's used quite a 0:10:19.320 --> 0:10:23.959 bit legitimately in most cases, but Title nine prohibits sex 0:10:24.040 --> 0:10:29.040 based discrimination in education. They're also arguing the Equal Protection 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:34.319 Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment. Okay, the two states Idaho 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:37.880 and West Virginia are saying that these bands are necessary 0:10:37.920 --> 0:10:43.840 to ensure fair competition and equal opportunities for cisgender girls, 0:10:44.120 --> 0:10:49.440 citing potential biological advantages. This is the pre Supreme Court 0:10:49.520 --> 0:10:53.719 United State Supreme Court's first time in addressing the legality 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:57.240 of these kind of cases, and it's going to set 0:10:57.240 --> 0:11:00.000 a precedent. Like I said, there's about twenty other states 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:05.199 that have the same situation, So it's important. Oral argument 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:08.520 is that portion of the case where the attorneys go 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:12.319 before the Supreme Court, stand in the well behind e 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:15.960 lectern and argue before the highest court in the land. 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:19.000 I've never had the opportunity to do it, but I've 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.439 talked to lawyers that have, and they said, from a 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:24.240 lawyer's point of view, no matter what side you're on, 0:11:24.360 --> 0:11:27.840 there's nothing like it. But let's talk a little bit 0:11:27.880 --> 0:11:33.600 about what the public thinks about this, and it's basically 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:36.839 an eighty twenty issue. And I'm telling you, I mean, 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:40.200 I've been involved in politics and public affairs for a 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:45.320 long long time. You never get an eighty twenty issue. 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:49.520 You don't get a seventy thirty issue. What people think 0:11:49.559 --> 0:11:54.720 about this through all kinds of political lines raised everything else. 0:11:56.480 --> 0:12:00.960 There's really no there's no middle ground in it. But anyway, 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:04.480 most recent pull I could find January twenty twenty five, 0:12:05.240 --> 0:12:09.560 not very long ago, cited in Fox News reports, and 0:12:09.600 --> 0:12:13.600 again they kept this thing updated throughout late twenty twenty five, 0:12:13.960 --> 0:12:18.240 and also the latest one early twenty twenty six. Are 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:22.880 you ready? Found that seventy nine percent of participants believe 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:28.199 biological males who identify as women should not be allowed 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:34.120 to participate in women's sports. Seventy nine percent believe that, 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:39.400 I what the hell are we doing? W can you 0:12:39.480 --> 0:12:43.280 imagine how much time has been expended on this thing? 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:48.079 Seventy nine percent. Now, I know you know, majority rules 0:12:48.160 --> 0:12:53.520 but not always, but I mean, not even cluartion to this. 0:12:53.520 --> 0:12:57.720 This might surprise you. The same data showed that sixty 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:03.400 seven percent of Democrats or Democrat leading participants ninety four 0:13:03.480 --> 0:13:08.199 percent of Republicans That doesn't surprise me opposed transgender athletes 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:14.640 competing in women's divisions independence. I thought this might have 0:13:14.679 --> 0:13:17.000 been a little bit higher, but still pretty high. Among 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:22.720 independent voters, sixty four percent expressed opposition to transgender athletes 0:13:22.800 --> 0:13:26.800 in women's sports, while twenty six percent declined to answer. 0:13:27.640 --> 0:13:30.640 So you know, and that's just not the only survey 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:33.440 that says that I saw one this morning. I was 0:13:33.480 --> 0:13:36.880 looking at New York Times about a year or so ago, 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:41.560 same thing, pretty much eighty twenty. This thing needs to 0:13:41.600 --> 0:13:46.319 be put to bed once and for all. It's pretty 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.600 damn simple, folks. I mean, you know, the Good Lord 0:13:50.000 --> 0:13:52.800 made you one of two things. He made you a 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:57.480 man or he made you a woman. And it's just 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:03.920 patently unfair to let biological men compete in women's sports. 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.160 And you might say, what's the big deal, Mike, Nobody 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:09.080 loses money or anything like that. I'll tell you what 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:12.000 the big deal is. What about these women that are 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:17.760 competing for scholarships, are competing for the Olympics. It's just 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:21.640 it's ridiculous. And I hope the Supreme Court comes out 0:14:21.720 --> 0:14:24.960 quickly and very clearly on this, and I kind of 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:27.280 think that they will. Hey, we do have to take 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.120 a break for the news. But before we do that, 0:14:29.160 --> 0:14:31.000 I wanted to let you know what we got on 0:14:31.000 --> 0:14:34.480 the show today, ten o'clock, nine point thirty to ten 0:14:34.600 --> 0:14:38.800 Calls ten o'clock. Janis Heisel of the Epoch Times. I 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:43.120 have her on my Saturday show frequently. She is all 0:14:43.320 --> 0:14:48.480 over the situation in Minnesota with the fraud cases. She's 0:14:48.560 --> 0:14:52.640 on this like the proverbial white on Rice. She filed 0:14:52.680 --> 0:14:55.720 three stories last week and they will update us the 0:14:55.800 --> 0:14:58.680 stories that she filed on what's going on out there. 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.840 And I'll tell you what. It just keeps getting bigger 0:15:02.040 --> 0:15:05.760 and bigger and bigger. It's snowballing. Christopher Smith. I'm at 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.800 ten thirty going to ask Christopher, a former vice mayor 0:15:08.840 --> 0:15:10.960 and chair of the Law and Public Safety Committee, what 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:15.120 he thinks about this proposed settlement, And at eleven o'clock 0:15:15.560 --> 0:15:19.400 to talk to legal analyst Steve Gooden going to talk 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.520 about the potential hitting settlement with the city. Steve was 0:15:22.560 --> 0:15:26.960 also a former Cincinnati council member also Delay yesterday. DeLay's 0:15:27.000 --> 0:15:30.520 in the what I referred to as the Downtown beatdown trial, 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:33.400 and I'm also going to ask him will the Ice 0:15:33.480 --> 0:15:38.320 agent who shot that lady last week be prosecuted? Not 0:15:38.400 --> 0:15:41.560 going to be prosecuted federally, but the state may come in. 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:43.680 I'm going to talk to Steve about that, but anyway, 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:46.280 we'll do that when we get back. Mike Allen in 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:51.080 for Scott Sloan's seven hundred WLW in today and Thursday. 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:53.000 I'm going to get to the phones here in just 0:15:53.000 --> 0:15:57.280 a second. But this morning Fox News published a list 0:15:57.480 --> 0:16:03.360 of athletes, coaches, lawmakers who have picked a side in 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:06.360 this battle that the Supreme Court is going to hear 0:16:06.600 --> 0:16:11.960 oral arguments on today. Of course, that's the situation with 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:17.480 biological men in women's sports. Okay, here are some just 0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:21.040 some boy, this list goes on and on. Some of 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:26.600 the some who opposed biological men in women's sports. Martina 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:30.840 let Nevra Talova kind of a surprise. She's pretty liberal person. 0:16:30.920 --> 0:16:34.040 But and I get here a while back talking about it. 0:16:34.160 --> 0:16:37.720 She gets it. Of course, Riley Gains, she's been outspoken 0:16:38.000 --> 0:16:41.400 on this, you know, I mean, it's pretty much you 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:46.720 would think that opposed this. Megan Rapahos, she's a two 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:51.560 time Women's World Cup champion, former co captain of the 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:56.840 US women's national soccer team. And you got just oodles 0:16:56.840 --> 0:17:02.520 and oodles of Republican lawmakers. No surprise there. Okay, here 0:17:02.560 --> 0:17:05.520 are the ones that signed an Amikas brief, and an 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:09.040 Amikas brief is a Friend of the Court brief to 0:17:09.200 --> 0:17:15.200 support transcends athletes. No surprises here. Leading the list, of course, 0:17:15.320 --> 0:17:20.520 is crazy Mazie Arona Senator Mazie Herona of Hawaii. Probably, 0:17:20.800 --> 0:17:25.480 although it's arguable probably the stupidest person in the United 0:17:25.520 --> 0:17:28.640 States Senate. She really shouldn't be there. I don't think 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:33.399 she's got an IQ of four. Ed Markey, Senator from Massachusetts, 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:39.320 shifty shift California, no shocker there, And of course Pocahontas herself, 0:17:39.400 --> 0:17:46.280 Elizabeth Warren and big mouth Jasmine Crockett of Texas, Jay 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:50.879 Paul Democrat from Washington, King Jeffries, I don't think that 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:55.800 man knows how to smile AOC Nancy Pelosi, Jamie Raskin 0:17:56.359 --> 0:18:00.200 rasheated to leave, pretty much the usual suspects. But well, 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:02.960 it's kind of taken sides on this thing. And if 0:18:03.000 --> 0:18:05.359 you want to look at this, it's on Fox News, 0:18:05.359 --> 0:18:07.800 and man, it goes pages and pages. So hey, let's 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:11.760 get to the phones here. Let's talk to Ron in Fairfield. Hey, 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:12.760 good morning, Ron. 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:16.199 Hey, good morning, Mike. Hey, great show. I always I 0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:17.159 love listening to you. 0:18:17.320 --> 0:18:17.760 Thank you. 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:18.880 Hey. 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:23.679 I'm surprised. And Megan Rapino goes against that transcender sports. 0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:27.400 I'm glass year. That's great. My question this morning, though, 0:18:27.400 --> 0:18:31.440 is if the officer, the sheriff they got killed. If 0:18:31.520 --> 0:18:34.159 we give the money to that family, the Hinton family, 0:18:34.200 --> 0:18:38.280 can they turn around and sue the Hintons for that lawful, 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:39.600 an awful death? 0:18:39.720 --> 0:18:39.919 You know? 0:18:40.640 --> 0:18:42.920 You know what, then I'm sorry, I go ahead. I 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:43.320 didn't mean to. 0:18:43.800 --> 0:18:45.399 I wasna saying the same with the people who just 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:49.120 got the eight point two million. Can the property damaged 0:18:49.200 --> 0:18:51.560 people go back and get money from those people? 0:18:52.000 --> 0:18:54.880 I don't know why they can't. I mean, with respect 0:18:54.920 --> 0:19:00.240 to the situation with Sergeant Henderson, and that was, yes, 0:19:00.480 --> 0:19:04.199 so brutal the way he died, it would have to 0:19:04.240 --> 0:19:08.240 be his estate that does it. And you know, I'm 0:19:08.280 --> 0:19:10.560 no expert on that, but I don't see a reason 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.320 why they couldn't. I mean, the initial thought would be 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:15.560 with respect to Hinton is you know, it's kind of 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.320 like blood out of a turnip. But I mean, you're right, 0:19:18.640 --> 0:19:21.239 if they get tons of money dumped on them by 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:25.280 city council, yeah, I don't see why they couldn't, But 0:19:25.320 --> 0:19:26.720 it would have to be the estate. 0:19:27.800 --> 0:19:29.880 Okay, thanks for asking my question. I'm a great day. 0:19:29.960 --> 0:19:33.040 Okay, you too, Thank you. That is an interesting question. 0:19:33.119 --> 0:19:34.720 I may drill down on that a little bit. I'm 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:38.399 going to make sure I get it right. I would 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:43.159 certainly think in both cases they especially with respect to 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:47.080 Sergeant Henderson, they would have a legitimate argument for it, 0:19:47.840 --> 0:19:50.880 you know, but it all can be just obviated, if 0:19:50.920 --> 0:19:53.720 you will, if City Council does the right thing. But 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:58.320 as we all know, don't hold your breath on that. Hey, 0:19:58.400 --> 0:20:01.800 let's talk to Lawrence and Heartwell. Hey, good morning, Lawrence. 0:20:01.840 --> 0:20:02.400 How you doing. 0:20:03.160 --> 0:20:05.400 I'm good, My good morning to you, great show. 0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:06.080 Thank you. 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:09.359 I'm calling because I wanted to ask you a question, 0:20:10.080 --> 0:20:15.159 knowing your background this executive session meeting that City Council 0:20:15.200 --> 0:20:17.600 had yesterday. My riding of the law, I have a 0:20:17.600 --> 0:20:19.000 lot of agree. My rinting of the. 0:20:19.040 --> 0:20:21.920 Law is that they have to state why they go. 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:23.119 Into an executive session. 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:23.680 Yep. 0:20:24.480 --> 0:20:27.520 That's my understanding of it, and I have not yet 0:20:27.560 --> 0:20:31.520 to see any statement as to why they went to 0:20:31.560 --> 0:20:34.080 an executive session. I went to the agenda, I went 0:20:34.119 --> 0:20:37.320 to the agenda packet, I watched the meeting, even when 0:20:37.320 --> 0:20:40.200 they had to vote, they didn't say why they were 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:44.440 going into executive session. That is concerning to me, because 0:20:44.800 --> 0:20:47.439 they can go back there and blow smoking mirrors and 0:20:47.480 --> 0:20:49.920 do whatever they want to do if they're not stating 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:54.320 why they're an executive session and taxpayer money is potentially 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:56.760 on the line. Do you think somebody I said this 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:58.119 they might have a right to sue them for this. 0:20:58.359 --> 0:21:00.560 I think so, and let me I'm glad you brought 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:05.040 this up. I really am. I looked during the break Daveost. 0:21:05.200 --> 0:21:09.159 Of course, he's the attorney General. On his website he 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:14.560 explains executive sessions, and obviously he's the Ohio Attorney General, 0:21:14.840 --> 0:21:17.520 so this would comport with Ohio law. Just a couple 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:22.040 sentences here, and it addresses what your question is. Executive 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:25.480 sessions are the only portions of meetings that are closed 0:21:25.520 --> 0:21:28.880 to the public. A public body cannot vote or take 0:21:28.920 --> 0:21:33.359 official action during an executive session. A public body must 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:38.359 follow a specific procedure to convene an executive session, and 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:43.280 can convene only for specific reasons. I think there are 0:21:43.359 --> 0:21:45.600 nine of them. I don't have those in front of me, 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:47.159 but anyway, he goes on to say, this is the 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:51.159 Ohio Attorney General. To convene an executive session, the public 0:21:51.200 --> 0:21:54.360 body must first have a roll call vote, followed by 0:21:54.440 --> 0:21:58.000 a motion and a second and then a vote to 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:01.800 adjourn by a majority of quorum of the public body. 0:22:02.119 --> 0:22:07.399 The role call vote must be recorded in the minutes. Lastly, importantly, 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:11.000 a public body can convene in an executive session to 0:22:11.080 --> 0:22:15.520 discuss only nine specific topics which are listed in the 0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:19.920 Open Meetings Act. The topics that the public body will 0:22:19.920 --> 0:22:24.240 discuss during executive session must be put into the minutes, 0:22:24.680 --> 0:22:28.520 and the public body cannot discuss any topic other than 0:22:28.520 --> 0:22:31.720 those put into the record. So I don't have those 0:22:31.840 --> 0:22:34.200 nine reasons in front of me, but that gives you 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:37.280 a pretty good idea I think of what the law 0:22:37.400 --> 0:22:41.280 is with respect to Ohio and these executive sessions. 0:22:41.720 --> 0:22:44.680 Yeah, I read the none that you mentioned, and one 0:22:44.800 --> 0:22:47.640 is a case of litigation. But then if you drop 0:22:47.760 --> 0:22:51.600 down and read the subsettions, you see where they have 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:56.840 to actually state which subsets they're going into executive session for. 0:22:57.240 --> 0:22:58.159 They never did that. 0:22:59.320 --> 0:23:01.960 Well, I said, I've got about as a matter of law. 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:05.119 Yeah, I mean, if they didn't, then it can be challenged. 0:23:05.160 --> 0:23:08.920 I mean, and my guess is that if they do 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:12.159 end up throwing a bunch of money at this family, 0:23:12.240 --> 0:23:15.240 that somebody's going to challenge that. I had somebody ask 0:23:15.359 --> 0:23:18.000 me Saturday, I think it was on my Saturday show 0:23:18.800 --> 0:23:23.879 if there could be a taxpayer lawsuit with respect to that, 0:23:24.119 --> 0:23:27.280 and I looked at it just very briefly, and I 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:29.960 don't see why not a lot of people aren't happy 0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:32.680 about this lawrence. But yeah, I'm glad. 0:23:33.600 --> 0:23:35.399 If they just say why they were having the session, 0:23:35.480 --> 0:23:37.640 I will probably be okay with it. But the fact 0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:39.560 that I took the time to watch the beating, look 0:23:39.560 --> 0:23:42.040 at the agenda, look at the agenda packet, and saw 0:23:42.160 --> 0:23:46.119 no reason why they were having this execut decession causes concern. 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:48.040 And I just want to know if there was remedy 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:48.840 for the taxpayers. 0:23:49.119 --> 0:23:51.040 Yep, you know what I mean. I'm glad that you 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:55.000 asked the question. You obviously have done your homework. Are 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:56.600 you a practicing lawyer anywhere? 0:23:57.160 --> 0:24:00.000 I do not practice. I went to Michigan State for laws. 0:24:00.040 --> 0:24:02.440 Who you know, I took to the ball one time 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:04.920 in Michigan, didn't do it, and went on to bigger 0:24:04.960 --> 0:24:05.480 and better things. 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:09.600 Anyway, Ah, there you go. I'm a happily retired lawyer. 0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:10.800 So are you retired? 0:24:12.119 --> 0:24:12.280 Man? 0:24:12.480 --> 0:24:12.760 Yeah? 0:24:12.840 --> 0:24:14.840 Yeah, you know what, And I'm enjoying. I love doing 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:18.320 the radio. But at fifty one years in the criminal 0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:21.640 justice system in one way, shape or form, that's enough 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:22.520 for anybody I. 0:24:22.480 --> 0:24:25.239 Think I can imagine that you have a good day. 0:24:25.320 --> 0:24:28.679 Okay, Lawrence, thanks for the call. Yeah, I tell you what, 0:24:28.800 --> 0:24:31.160 it's great when you get a caller that knows what 0:24:31.240 --> 0:24:35.200