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Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW Mike Allen in for Scott Sloan this morning.

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Speaker 1: I will be in for him Thursday as well.

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Speaker 2: Well.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, there's a lot going on both

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Speaker 1: locally and nationally. The big story that everybody's talking about,

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Speaker 1: and I mean talking about it more today, I think,

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Speaker 1: is the situation with the what's been referred to by

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Speaker 1: the police union president and I agree a backroom deal

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Speaker 1: with the Hinton family with respect to the shooting that occurred,

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Speaker 1: which the county prosecutor County Pillage ruled that it was

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Speaker 1: a justifiable shooting. But apparently the city of Cincinnati wants,

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Speaker 1: through the city manager in the administration, not so much

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Speaker 1: at least for two council members. And we're going to

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Speaker 1: talk about those two in a minute. They want to

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Speaker 1: give them money. I don't really know why. I don't

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Speaker 1: get the theory behind it. And you know, I've heard

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Speaker 1: it times. I got coffee this morning. You know, hey,

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Speaker 1: I guess crime really does pay in Cincinnati. People are

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Speaker 1: really really honked off about this, and you know, the

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Speaker 1: FOP president as I said Ken Kober good Man, Great

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Speaker 1: FOP President, he kind of blew the whistle on this

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Speaker 1: thing last week. City Council went into executive session yesterday afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Executive session is a situation where they go in a

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Speaker 1: room and the public can't be there, the media certainly

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Speaker 1: can't be there, and they talk about settlements things like that,

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Speaker 1: different things, but mainly financial deals. And I get it

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Speaker 1: there's a good reason for executive session, but I don't

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Speaker 1: think this one is. But anyway, they talked about it,

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Speaker 1: although we can't really say for sure that they talked

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Speaker 1: I'm sure that's what they talked about for about two hours.

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Speaker 1: They all came out. Nobody's saying anything. So I think

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Speaker 1: this is one where the city, through the administration, kind

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Speaker 1: of walked in uh Tiger's den in this thing, and

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Speaker 1: people aren't happy about it. I'll tell you what. Just

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Speaker 1: in the this thing broke last week. I don't know

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Speaker 1: how many people have stopped me and want to talk

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Speaker 1: about this because they're p oed. I mean, you know,

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Speaker 1: this family. I don't know why the City of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Hinton family would want to reward them.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the father is on trial for just brutally

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Speaker 1: brutally murdering a police officer with his vehicle. Well, anyway,

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Speaker 1: like I said, they met behind closed doors yesterday. Again,

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Speaker 1: we think they were probably talking about the settlement with

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Speaker 1: the family of Ryan Hinton. Now, the kid Ryan, he's

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Speaker 1: an eighteen year old. He was fatally shot by police.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I certainly don't have all the information,

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Speaker 1: from everything that I've seen, it sure looks to me

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Speaker 1: like the prosecute was right. He was a justifiable shooting.

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Speaker 1: But the news of the possible settlement last week, as

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Speaker 1: I said, sparked some really strong reactions from the police union.

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Speaker 1: And this settlement, potential settlement, it follows on the heels

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Speaker 1: of the city paying eight point one million bucks to

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Speaker 1: protesters who were arrested in the what some referred to

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Speaker 1: as the racial Justice protest in two thousand. But with

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Speaker 1: respect to what we're talking about here, the hint and deal,

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Speaker 1: the city manager, Cheryl Long, she said last week that

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Speaker 1: the city definitely has not reached the settlement agreement. Didn't

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Speaker 1: say they didn't talk about it. The attorney for the

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Speaker 1: Hinting family, he didn't want to talk about it either,

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Speaker 1: and of course he's representing his client. I understand that,

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Speaker 1: I understand it from the city's point of view. But

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Speaker 1: how their money's being spent? And you know, I have

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Speaker 1: what he said. I'm going to quote him directly. Councilman

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Speaker 1: Kramerton said, I think the city's position is that the

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Speaker 1: But here's what he had to say. I think this

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Speaker 1: I think it's unconscionable for the City of Cincinnati to

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Speaker 1: The tragedy that unfolded in May devastated our community, and

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Speaker 1: it is our responsibility to heal the wreckage, not create

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Speaker 1: more division. Amen, and thanks to you, Councilman Seth Walsh.

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Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's got the tone in the feel

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Speaker 1: think they've made it very clear where they stand. Now.

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Speaker 1: Whether that can translate into majority of council and the

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Speaker 1: mayor jumping on board for no settlement, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: We'll just have to see in the coming days. But

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Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to me. Hey, I'm gonna take

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Speaker 1: an opinion on this. Seven four nine, seven thousand, one,

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Speaker 1: United States Supreme Court is going to hear oral arguments

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Speaker 1: today on two big cases that have to do with

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Speaker 1: men in women's sports. It's not even a close question

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Speaker 1: as far as what the public thinks, and I'll give

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Speaker 1: challenging the state bands these two cases, ones from West Virginia,

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Speaker 1: the other ones from Idaho. Challenging these bands on transgender

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Speaker 1: The whole thing is it's just an absurdity in and

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Speaker 1: violating Title nine. Again, Title nine. It's used quite a

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Speaker 1: citing potential biological advantages. This is the pre Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: There's really no there's no middle ground in it. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: Seventy nine percent. Now, I know you know, majority rules

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Speaker 1: This might surprise you. The same data showed that sixty

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Speaker 1: I don't know why they can't. I mean, with respect

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Speaker 1: How you doing.

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Speaker 4: I'm good, My good morning to you, great show.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 4: I'm calling because I wanted to ask you a question,

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Speaker 1: I think so, and let me I'm glad you brought

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I read the none that you mentioned, and one

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Speaker 5: They never did that.

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Speaker 4: Well, I said, I've got about as a matter of law.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if they didn't, then it can be challenged.

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Speaker 4: If they just say why they were having the session,

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Speaker 1: Yep, you know what I mean. I'm glad that you

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Speaker 4: I do not practice. I went to Michigan State for laws.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, Ah, there you go. I'm a happily retired lawyer.

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Speaker 2: So are you retired?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what, And I'm enjoying. I love doing

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Speaker 4: Think I can imagine that you have a good day.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Lawrence, thanks for the call. Yeah, I tell you what,

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Speaker 1: we'll find something else to talk about. Mike Allen in

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Speaker 1: for Sloaney seven hundred WLW. Hey, we're back, Mike Allen

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Speaker 1: in for Scott Sloan and we'll be Thursday as well.

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Speaker 1: You know, you've heard so much in recent days about

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Speaker 1: what's going on in Minnesota, Minneapolis, Portland, Cincinnati, even too

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Speaker 1: other cities. They're all out in force, and you know,

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Speaker 1: the women with the pink hair and the nose rings

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Speaker 1: and everything else, and many of them are carrying signs

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Speaker 1: that appear to be not the one you sit down

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Speaker 1: like Jethro Bod used to do and just take a

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Speaker 1: paintbrush and write something. Looks like they've been kind of

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Speaker 1: made at the same place, which indicates to me, and

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Speaker 1: there are people looking at this, that these things are

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Speaker 1: being financed by someone, probably a guy like George Soros

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Speaker 1: or his son or his ilk. But I watched these things,

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Speaker 1: and I talked about this Saturday. I just asked myself

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Speaker 1: a question, and maybe I don't get it. I don't

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Speaker 1: think so. I think I do. Okay, let's just do

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Speaker 1: this by the numbers real quickly. Here there is a

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Speaker 1: federal law. I don't have it in front of me now,

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Speaker 1: but it basically says, thou shalt not trespass into our country.

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Speaker 1: You have to enter at a place designated by ICE

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Speaker 1: to come in, real, real simple. The law was adopted

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Speaker 1: by Congress in nineteen fifty two. Some minor changes to

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Speaker 1: it throughout the years, but it's still there, still there.

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Speaker 1: It is a crime to trespass into our country, the

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Speaker 1: United States of America, plain and simple. The Immigration and

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Speaker 1: Customs Enforcement are is the federal agency charged with taking

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Speaker 1: care of these kind of things and prosecuting these kind

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Speaker 1: of things. If you will or at least getting the

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Speaker 1: process started. Crystal clear, they raised their hand and they

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Speaker 1: take an oath to uphold the law and the constitution

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Speaker 1: of the United States. Okay, this is just a long

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Speaker 1: way of saying, they're doing their job. They're doing what

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Speaker 1: they're paid to do, what they're sworn to do. And

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Speaker 1: my god, they're making Trump and others look like the

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Speaker 1: devil on all of these things. And I was thinking

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Speaker 1: about it. I was thinking about this yesterday. And you know,

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Speaker 1: my recollection is Barack Obama is eight years, was no

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Speaker 1: slouch in the deportment department, and there are some that

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Speaker 1: have referred to him as the deporter in chief. Just

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Speaker 1: listen to this just for a minute here. Okay, Like

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Speaker 1: I said, you got these protests in Minneapolis, Portland, other place,

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Speaker 1: all active idiots. A horrible tragedy with that lady dying,

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Speaker 1: but it was a tragedy of her own making. Okay.

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Speaker 1: And this is from AI, and I'm using AI a lot,

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Speaker 1: and I found it to be reliable. I found it

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Speaker 1: to be fair. During his eight year presidency, the Obama

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Speaker 1: administered deported ready approximately three million people. Three million. This

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Speaker 1: total typically refers to removals, which are former legal orders

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Speaker 1: that carry the stiff penalties for re entry rather than returns.

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Speaker 1: It's all just a fancy way of saying deportations. So

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Speaker 1: you know, again, Ice is simply doing the job that

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Speaker 1: they were sworn to do. Getting back to Saint Obama. Here,

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Speaker 1: total removals for him during his eight years. Estimates generally ranged,

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Speaker 1: like I just said, from two point seven million two

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Speaker 1: three point one million, depending upon whether the full fiscal

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Speaker 1: year of two thousand and nine is included. Here's the

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Speaker 1: peak year twenty thirteen. He's still he just finished. He's

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Speaker 1: in his second term. Okay, first term two thousand and

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Speaker 1: nine to twenty twelve, approximately one point six million deportations

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Speaker 1: occurred the peak year. The peak year was in twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 1: four hundred and thirty eight thousand, four hundred twenty one deportations.

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Speaker 1: His second term slowed down a little bit here, just

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Speaker 1: a real little bit. Twenty thirteen to twenty sixteen, one

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Speaker 1: point six million removals. So, I mean, there you go.

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Speaker 1: Where were these pink haired, fat ugly quote protesters unquote

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Speaker 1: when Obama was doing it? I mean, it just it

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Speaker 1: boggles the mind. It really doesn't given today's situation. But

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Speaker 1: when was the last time you heard anything about a

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Speaker 1: comparison with the deporter in chief Barack Obama and Donald Trump. Now, granted,

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Speaker 1: you know, Trump's into the first year of his second term.

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Speaker 1: He hasn't deported anything near that number. My point is this,

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Speaker 1: And you know what, I'm glad Obama did what he did,

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Speaker 1: because again they're breaking the law. They're trespassing into our country,

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Speaker 1: your and my country. I'm glad he did it. But

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Speaker 1: where were they then? Where was the media being all

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Speaker 1: over them? Where was Joy Behar Where were all these

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Speaker 1: other big mouth liberals screaming and yelling? You know, Where

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Speaker 1: were the people shouting at the cops and getting in

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Speaker 1: their face and taunting them? Then? I don't recall any

511
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Speaker 1: whatsoever at all boils down to this. It's all about

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Speaker 1: Donald J. Trump. They freaking hate him, and no matter what,

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Speaker 1: you know, Donald Trump could be walking down the street

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Speaker 1: and there's a burning building and there's one hundred babies

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Speaker 1: in that building, and Trump could run out and save

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Speaker 1: ninety nine of them, and he'd get crap for not

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Speaker 1: saving that last one. And you know what, and I've

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Speaker 1: been pretty upfront about this, some of this stuff he

519
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Speaker 1: tends to bring on himself. But that's just the way

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Speaker 1: he operates. And I'm telling you the first term, and

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Speaker 1: especially early into the second term, you sure can't argue

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Speaker 1: with the results. But again, it just shows theocrisy of

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Speaker 1: the mainstream media and the hypocrisy in general of the left. Good.

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Speaker 1: I got that off my chest. I feel better. Hey,

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Speaker 1: we got to take a break. But when we get back,

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Speaker 1: as I said, Janis Heisel of the Epoch Times, and

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Speaker 1: if you're not reading Epoch Times, you should be. She

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Speaker 1: is all over this thing in Minnesota, to the point

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Speaker 1: where none other than Nut Gingrich himself has publicly praised

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Speaker 1: her reporting of it. I think she's probably into it

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Speaker 1: more than any other journalists in the country. She's going

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Speaker 1: to give us the new developments in that situation when

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Speaker 1: we come back and talk to her. And there's some

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Speaker 1: things going on that just tend to indicate that, man,

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Speaker 1: you ain't seen nothing yet. So we'll talk to Janis

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Speaker 1: when we get back from the news. Mike Allen's seven

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Speaker 1: hundred WLW the congressional hearings started with respect to the

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Speaker 1: Minnesota which is now multi billion dollar fraud scandal, and

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Speaker 1: Congress is looking into this through the US House Committee

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Speaker 1: on Oversight and government reform. The hancho or not that

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Speaker 1: is Representative James Comer from Kentucky here to talk about

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Speaker 1: it is Janis Heisel of the Epoch Times. And as

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Speaker 1: I said, if you're not reading the Epoch Times, you should.

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Speaker 1: And I'll say it again because she's too modest to

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Speaker 1: say it. Janie's reporting has been looked at and has

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Speaker 1: been commented upon by none other than former Speaker of

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Speaker 1: the House Newt Gingrid's basically saying that her reporting is

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Speaker 1: as thorough as any that he's ever read on this,

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Speaker 1: And to me, that's a big deal. Hey, Janis, thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us again this morning.

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, thank you very much for having me. This has

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Speaker 7: obviously been one of the biggest news stories. I feel

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Speaker 7: like we've packed in almost a year's worth of news

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Speaker 7: just in the last few weeks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you're right about that, so go ahead.

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Speaker 7: So this this congressional hearing that you mentioned, there were

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Speaker 7: three representatives, you know, state reps from Minnesota who were

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Speaker 7: the main witnesses for that.

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Speaker 8: And I've got to tell you if it.

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Speaker 7: Was one of the more uh animated, I guess, shall

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Speaker 7: we say, sure, uh congressional parings that I've covered I did,

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Speaker 7: covered only by live stream, Uh, but it was you

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Speaker 7: could just see there was a lot of back and forth,

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Speaker 7: people were storming out of the room. Uh, it got

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Speaker 7: a little bit, uh, very animated. But all that heat,

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Speaker 7: aside the light they shed here was really really worth

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Speaker 7: noting because these legislators have been in contact with whistleblowers

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Speaker 7: about the Minnesota Somali fraud, and one of them in particular,

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Speaker 7: testified quite extensively about the.

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Speaker 8: Ways in which people who reported fraud were accused.

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Speaker 7: Of being I'm aplobic racist and then had many worse

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Speaker 7: things happened to them, such as threats against them, possibly

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Speaker 7: even using military app surveillance apparatus to pinpoint their locations,

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Speaker 7: in voluntary job reassignments, all kinds of retaliation against them.

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Speaker 8: And so with that as the backdrop, that is.

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Speaker 7: Why this Minnesota fraud has literally exploded over a course

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Speaker 7: of years. It didn't just happen, you know, overnight. It's

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Speaker 7: just finally people are actually paying.

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Speaker 8: Attention to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're right, and the story that you

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Speaker 1: have there, you published three I think last week, but

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Speaker 1: this one I just want to read a couple paragraphs

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Speaker 1: and not paragraphs, just really sentences talking about what happened

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Speaker 1: in this hearing, talking about their collective message has been

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Speaker 1: completely consistent. Instead of focusing on the fraudsters, DHS leadership

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Speaker 1: instead focuses on its surveillance on employees. That was one

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Speaker 1: of the state life that testified to that, and Janes

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Speaker 1: here's the kicker. After one whistleblower raised concerns, she faced

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Speaker 1: a lengthy investigation, was escorted out of the building. Again,

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Speaker 1: this is a whistleblower on this this fraud was escorted

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Speaker 1: out of the building and was transferred involuntarily to another

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Speaker 1: state agency, according to Representative Rarek one more sentence uh.

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Speaker 1: Other employees have reported being threatened with being fired, being

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Speaker 1: blacklisted from all state agencies, and receiving quote a veiled

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Speaker 1: threat of the use of military intelligence against them close quote.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever, in all the years you've been reporting,

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Speaker 1: ever heard of anything like that? In a word, no

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Speaker 1: military intelligence are going to sick on you if you

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Speaker 1: dare to stand up and blow the whistle on this stuff.

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Speaker 1: It's beyond belief. In my opinion, there.

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Speaker 7: Are details that I ended up not including in my

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Speaker 7: story that I would like to share here is you know,

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Speaker 7: how would you feel if you were an employee of

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Speaker 7: one of these agencies, you had come forward and you

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Speaker 7: asked to see your personnel file and you find pictures

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Speaker 7: of your home in it. Things like that. It made

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Speaker 7: people feel like that they were definitely being scrutinized for

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Speaker 7: literally raising concerns about billing that they didn't think was right,

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Speaker 7: like maybe the documentation is not right, or maybe it's

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Speaker 7: suspicious that they just went into business yesterday and their bill.

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Speaker 9: Is for thousands and thousands of thousands of.

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Speaker 7: Dollars for one day of work or things like that,

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Speaker 7: and so you know, that is why you know, when

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Speaker 7: you have a chilling effect from people reporting concerns and

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Speaker 7: then then they don't really take ash the sixth that

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Speaker 7: the systemic this is, this is a big Frauden's going

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Speaker 7: to happen.

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Speaker 8: People are going to find game systems.

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Speaker 7: But when the people in charge of the systems know

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Speaker 7: that they should change and aspects of the operation because

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Speaker 7: it's vulnerable to fraud, and they simply don't, that is

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Speaker 7: where you create the fertile territory for fraud to just flourish.

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Speaker 1: And they've done that over a period of years too.

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Speaker 1: And you've pointed out numerous times that it's people that

625
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Speaker 1: should know about this didn't know about it. They did,

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Speaker 1: but they chose to do nothing. And what I'm reading

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Speaker 1: for your reporting and others is a big reason for

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Speaker 1: that is they didn't want to get the scarlet letter

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Speaker 1: of the R word being accused of racists or being

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Speaker 1: an islamophobe, so they shut up and didn't do anything

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Speaker 1: about it. Is that consistent with what you're seeing?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely, that is what I've heard from people that I interviewed.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 7: Unfortunately, so far, I haven't directly spoken to a whistleblower,

635
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Speaker 7: and I am sure trying. I've asked everybody that has

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Speaker 7: had contact with whistleblowers with whom I have spoken. I'm

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Speaker 7: telling them, hey, I would I would really like to

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Speaker 7: speak to a whistleblower, but these people are terrified to

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Speaker 7: tell a story. Even I rarely give out promises of anonymity,

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Speaker 7: but I've had to do that a lot more lately

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Speaker 7: under the circumstances that I've been covering.

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Speaker 1: Something tells me that if you keep going at it,

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Speaker 1: you're going to get it eventually. Uh. You know, you

644
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Speaker 1: have a situation where people are being threatened with military

645
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Speaker 1: uh investigations. You know something happening to their homes things

646
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,400
Speaker 1: like that. It's just not something that can be tolerated.

647
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 1: And what I'm hearing lately, janis is other states are

648
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Speaker 1: starting to look into this stuff and they're finding things too.

649
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: Is that consistent with what you're finding?

650
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 8: Yes, to a certain degree.

651
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 7: You know, like I said, fraud is going to you

652
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 7: know pretty much what I've spoken to in government acknowledges

653
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 7: programs are vulnerable to fraud. Businesses are vulnerable to you know,

654
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 7: shoplifters for example. I think people who can cheat and

655
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 7: steal find ways to do it. Even sometimes despite the

656
00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:21,200
Speaker 7: best things you can come up with, they get crafty

657
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 7: and they find ways around it.

658
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 8: And so yes, I am finding that out. But one

659
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,839
Speaker 8: of the differences it seems.

660
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 7: To be so far whether or not when people.

661
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,280
Speaker 8: Make reports, whether action is taken, or whether they're ignored.

662
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:39,000
Speaker 7: That is a key component in whether the fraud just

663
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 7: takes off like wildfire. Because after one story I wrote,

664
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Speaker 7: the headline was something like they saw other people getting

665
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Speaker 7: away with it. One way I interviewed who has a

666
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 7: scholarly background, was studying all of those situations happening in Minnesota.

667
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 8: Four years. Once again, we're America is.

668
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,839
Speaker 7: Just now noticing what has been going on in Minnesota

669
00:41:58,960 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 7: four years.

670
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 8: How it's been like a snowball effect.

671
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 7: It has literally gain momentum because when one person says, ooh,

672
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:08,600
Speaker 7: I'm driving around at a BMW and here's how I

673
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 7: got it, then the neighbor's going to be I want

674
00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 7: one too, you know, And how'd you do that? Oh?

675
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 7: Here there is hot.

676
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 8: Works, here's a roadmap.

677
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 7: And so there are quite a few people in the

678
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:27,399
Speaker 7: legislature and in other official positions in Minnesota and even

679
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 7: in the federal.

680
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 8: Government that are really trying hard to dissect a how

681
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,320
Speaker 8: did this fraud happen in the first place?

682
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 7: Be what fixes need to be made to prevent it?

683
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 7: And see who ignored or were shit punished.

684
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 8: The people who were trying to report it.

685
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,720
Speaker 7: So those are the main components of what to boil

686
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 7: it down. What is happening with the Minnesota fraud right now?

687
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you this a specific question. I

688
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 1: guess it was last week or maybe the week before

689
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: land doctor memot oz He is the Medicare and Medicaid

690
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: administrator for the Trump administration. He testified, maybe he didn't testify. No,

691
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: I don't think he did. He just spoke. He said

692
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: he's going to claw back fraud funds from Minnesota. I'll

693
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: tell you Janis, you know, I just I really do

694
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: admire and appreciate him at some point trying to do that.

695
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: But my experiences in these and I never had one

696
00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,000
Speaker 1: anything close to this is in a situation like this,

697
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: you're not going to get even close to what was stolen,

698
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:41,399
Speaker 1: but I think you still have to try. Is that

699
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: your recollection of his testimony.

700
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 8: Yes, he actually.

701
00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 7: Wrote a letter about this to put the state of

702
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 7: Minnesota on notice that that is what is happening.

703
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 8: But in addition to that, the second component.

704
00:43:53,719 --> 00:44:01,080
Speaker 7: Of it is they're subtracting from payments quote unquote owed

705
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 7: or whatever expected by the staves Minnesota. They're subtracting the

706
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 7: amounts that they say are fraudulent that from the past

707
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 7: from those payments.

708
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 8: So they're trying as best they can't. Now, this is

709
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 8: something you and.

710
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 7: I have discussed a little bit in the past, Mike,

711
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 7: and that is as a former prosecutor, you know as

712
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:20,319
Speaker 7: well as I know.

713
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,800
Speaker 8: I don't know if the listeners understand that people are.

714
00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 7: Demanding money back. Yeah, but if the money has already

715
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 7: been spent, or if it's been used by a foreign property,

716
00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:33,960
Speaker 7: which some of this was spent by these fraudsters have owned,

717
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:37,399
Speaker 7: they now own properties in places like ken You you're

718
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:38,960
Speaker 7: not going to get that money back, No.

719
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Speaker 1: You're not. I mean they have to try. It has

720
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Speaker 1: to be if it goes to try or plea or

721
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,480
Speaker 1: whatever and results in a guilty finding, it has to

722
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 1: be a part of the sentence. But I just I

723
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:54,280
Speaker 1: don't see it happening. It's just so big, the people

724
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 1: involved are so dishonest. It's just going to be no

725
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: way that that happens. But again, and that doesn't mean

726
00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:04,560
Speaker 1: that you don't try. I wanted to ask you to

727
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 1: in one of your stories. I forget which one. It

728
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 1: was one of these programs. One grantee got seven hundred

729
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 1: thousand bucks for a single month of quote work unquote.

730
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Speaker 1: Can you expound on that one a little bit because

731
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Speaker 1: I don't have it right in front of me, but

732
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Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about it.

733
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:29,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, in that particular, Chanse, what happened is that there

734
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 7: is a watchdog agency. It's called the Office of Legislative Auditor.

735
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 7: It's been in place in the episode for many years.

736
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Speaker 7: They do a deep look at various agencies.

737
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Speaker 8: They kind of pick them just to kind of.

738
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Speaker 7: Periodically check when they.

739
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Speaker 8: Especially when they have concerns.

740
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Speaker 7: So every year they pick a few to look at,

741
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Speaker 7: and they decided to look at a branch of the

742
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:56,520
Speaker 7: welfare agency called behavioral health Services.

743
00:45:56,600 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 8: They deal that agency is supposed.

744
00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 7: To help people who have, you know, mental issues or disabilities,

745
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:09,200
Speaker 7: things like that, and they administer grants to providers.

746
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 8: Who are supposed to help these people. So that's where that.

747
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,880
Speaker 7: Particular recollection of yours comes from, Mike, is that that

748
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 7: seven hundred thousand dollars payment went to a company, and

749
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 7: when the auditors were trying to figure out what was

750
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 7: going on, they flagged that transaction is being suspicious, and

751
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:30,280
Speaker 7: they also started asking questions about, well, did you verify

752
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 7: that the grantee, the agency that received the money, the

753
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 7: provider was actually helping people the way they promised. They

754
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 7: weren't able to provide the documentation, so they backdated and said, okay,

755
00:46:45,600 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 7: even though this visit with the auditors in February of

756
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 7: last year, that yes, we really really really did go

757
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:57,319
Speaker 7: and visit and scrutinize this agency late in twenty twenty

758
00:46:57,360 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 7: four several times, and here.

759
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 8: Are the days they didn't keep.

760
00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 7: The records at the time, and so there's a lot

761
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:10,319
Speaker 7: of suspicion about that being possibly misrepresented or completely fabricated.

762
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:14,319
Speaker 7: And the things that I was surprised by is the

763
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:19,279
Speaker 7: report from the auditor makes no recommendation or reference to

764
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:25,160
Speaker 7: what can or should happen to multiple employees who were

765
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 7: involved with backdating records creating new documents in the midst

766
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 7: of an audit. That is an unanswered question that I

767
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 7: haven't actually had time to explore just yet, but it

768
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 7: is definitely on my list of many my very long

769
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,480
Speaker 7: and growing list of questions about the Minnesota fraud.

770
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:51,879
Speaker 8: It's just I don't even know what to say about

771
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 8: that one.

772
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 7: And then furthermore, a person who approved the grant that

773
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 7: was you know, how did you do, you know, justify

774
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 7: a seven hundred thousand dollars payment for one month of work?

775
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 7: The person within the agency who approved the state agency

776
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 7: who approved that grant ended up later.

777
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 8: Taking a job with the company.

778
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 9: That got that money.

779
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 1: Gee, what a shocker that is. Yeah, you did a

780
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 1: whole story last week on the Minnesota agency staff backdated records,

781
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:26,240
Speaker 1: as you've just talked about, as auditors found failures, and boy,

782
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,359
Speaker 1: that is absolutely eye opening. Hey, we got a couple

783
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:34,120
Speaker 1: of minutes left. I wanted to ask you a couple things. First,

784
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: is Columbus we heard about a week or so ago,

785
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 1: I guess week and a half, and all this stuff

786
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 1: is percolating and brewing in Columbus. Somebody went up there.

787
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:48,240
Speaker 1: It wasn't the guy whose name escapes me now from

788
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: that blew the whistle in Minnesota. What the heck's that

789
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: guy's name? Janis? Can you recall there are a bunch of.

790
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:03,200
Speaker 7: Different people who've gone up there and film that daycare centers, Uh,

791
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 7: not just literally people upon Columbus.

792
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, Nick Shirley was a guy in Minnesota, but he

793
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: didn't go to Columbus. It's just a long way of

794
00:49:15,640 --> 00:49:19,000
Speaker 1: asking you, what are you hearing about that is anything

795
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: of substance coming out of it? Because I've not heard

796
00:49:21,719 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: anything of substance yet.

797
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 7: Well, as I mentioned earlier in our conversation, Mike, I

798
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,800
Speaker 7: just yesterday actually was on the phone with the Dan Tierney,

799
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 7: who is a spokesman for Governor Mike DeWine here in Ohio,

800
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 7: and I was asking questions of him, and also I

801
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 7: spoke to uh a state Senator George Lang and asked

802
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,640
Speaker 7: about you know, are there is there any sign that

803
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 7: there's systemic fraud here in Ohio. Again, everybody agrees fraud

804
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:57,560
Speaker 7: is happening, and Ohio says it's doing its best to uh.

805
00:49:57,520 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 8: Clamp down on it. Sometimes a few of these suspicions

806
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 8: raised by citizens don't pan out right.

807
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 7: For example, there was a widely circulated photo of this address.

808
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 8: Is supposed to be a.

809
00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:15,120
Speaker 7: Daycare, but guess what instead, it's a tobacco shop.

810
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 8: Well, it turns out the.

811
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Speaker 7: Photo was taken in twenty twenty two and the daycare didn't.

812
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 8: Open until twenty twenty five.

813
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got to do your homework. And it seems like,

814
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: maybe so far at least that's the case in Ohio.

815
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 7: But I know, however, there are quite a few videos

816
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 7: and confirms raised by the public that the state of

817
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:42,240
Speaker 7: Ohio says it is, you know, investigating, and the lawmakers

818
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:45,439
Speaker 7: did all banded together on the Republican side at least,

819
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 7: and they're asking the auditor as well as the Department

820
00:50:49,680 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 7: of Youth and Children, which administers the daycare, to look

821
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:56,320
Speaker 7: at all of this and see.

822
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 8: If there is systemic fraud.

823
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:05,160
Speaker 7: They also it out that fire to again this huge firestorm,

824
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 7: media firestorm, over all of this. Earlier last year, early

825
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:15,160
Speaker 7: like a year ago, Ohio had taken action against several

826
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,759
Speaker 7: daycares and shut down the ones that appeared to be

827
00:51:18,880 --> 00:51:20,279
Speaker 7: operating fraudulently.

828
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,799
Speaker 8: Some of them are fighting back in court too, So

829
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 8: there's that.

830
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 1: Well, somebody's keeping an eye on it. Unfortunately we're out

831
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: of time. Janis, again, I can't tell you how much

832
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: I appreciate. I know my listeners do as well, your

833
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: steadfastness on this case. And hope we can call on

834
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 1: you again.

835
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:37,959
Speaker 4: Thank you again.

836
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 8: I appreciate it.

837
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, Janis Eizel of the Epoch Times on

838
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 1: it like White on Rice, and I check in with

839
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:49,279
Speaker 1: her a couple times a week, and as soon as

840
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:52,120
Speaker 1: something happens up there, she'll know about it. She'll tell

841
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:53,799
Speaker 1: us about it. Hey, you got to take a break.

842
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:56,279
Speaker 1: Button we get back. Going to talk to former Vice

843
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: Mayor and chair of the Law and Public Safety Committee,

844
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:02,439
Speaker 1: Christopher Smith. I want to ask him about the case

845
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: in the downtown beatdowns, what I call it being continued yesterday.

846
00:52:06,600 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 1: Also going to ask him, of course, about the situation

847
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: with a possible payment to the Hinton family. We'll do

848
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 1: that when we get back Mike Allen seven hundred WLW.

849
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 2: Hey, we're back.

850
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 1: Mike Allen in for Scott Sloan today and Thursday. Well,

851
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: the beat goes on with Cincinnati City Council yesterday an

852
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: executive session presumably, although we don't know this for one

853
00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 1: hundred percent certain, presumably to talk about a proposed settlement

854
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,200
Speaker 1: with the Hinton family. Of course, you have the situation

855
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: there where CPD officer had to shoot the young Hinton

856
00:52:54,440 --> 00:52:57,880
Speaker 1: I think eighteen years of age, ruled by the prosecutor

857
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: to be a justifiable shooting, and then the next day

858
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: the father of that young man brutally and I stress

859
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 1: brutally kills a former deputy sheriff, Sergeant Henderson by mowing

860
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:18,560
Speaker 1: him down in his vehicle. And it just doesn't get

861
00:53:18,600 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: any worse than that. You know, there's a thought that

862
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,239
Speaker 1: there might be a settlement. Boy, I'll tell you what,

863
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Speaker 1: a lot of people are weighing in on that. And

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Speaker 1: the loudest, I think appropriately so is FOP President Ken Kober.

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Speaker 1: Here to talk about it is former Vice mayor and

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Speaker 1: former chair of the Law and Public Safety Committee, Christopher Smith.

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Speaker 1: And Christopher, thanks so much. For checking in with us

868
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Speaker 1: this morning.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Mike, thanks for having me on. And you know,

870
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Speaker 5: my heart goes out to Sergeant Henderson's family. Yeah, this

871
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:57,960
Speaker 5: has got to be real tough on them, his widow children, grandkids,

872
00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:01,640
Speaker 5: you know, nieces and nephews. And I think for law

873
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 5: enforcement really all across the country, Mike, And you know

874
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 5: this is your profession. I mean, you know all about it,

875
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Speaker 5: law enforcement, and these are the kind of things that

876
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,880
Speaker 5: undermine the profession and make it difficult for us to

877
00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 5: recruit to retain law enforcement officers across the country.

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00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 1: You know, Christian to your point, that's an understatement. I

879
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,799
Speaker 1: talked to Ken Kober about a week or so ago.

880
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: They are having a dickens of a time trying to

881
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,319
Speaker 1: find people that want to be Cincinnati police officers. And

882
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 1: that's happening all over the country. And I'll tell you,

883
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: I never thought I would see that, But it's a problem.

884
00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:48,359
Speaker 5: It's a big problem because you know, if you if

885
00:54:48,360 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 5: you're if you make a decision like in the case

886
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:57,600
Speaker 5: we're talking about, that officer's life, you know, was hanging

887
00:54:57,640 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 5: in the balance for a long time. No one knew

888
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:02,640
Speaker 5: kind of what was going to happen. You know, my

889
00:55:03,120 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 5: heart goes out to the Hinting family. I mean, I

890
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 5: have children. I certainly would not want anything like this

891
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Speaker 5: to happen to my eighteen year old son anytime there's

892
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:16,040
Speaker 5: a loss of life.

893
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 4: But you've got to.

894
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 5: Look at a circumstance like this where you've got a

895
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 5: young man in a stolen car with a gun running

896
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 5: from a police officer and turns in that officer's direction,

897
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:35,560
Speaker 5: and it's a recipe for what ultimately happened. Officers have

898
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Speaker 5: to make these split second decisions. And if you've never

899
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 5: done those simulations where you're have a fire army you're

900
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 5: trying to make you shoot, you shoot or not. It's

901
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 5: really difficult out there. And so we're asking, Mike so

902
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 5: much of our officers. We're asking them to be big

903
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,960
Speaker 5: brothers and big sisters. We're asking them to be aucts

904
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 5: and uncles, dads, all these kind of things that Wekatina

905
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Speaker 5: ask our police officers. And their job is out there,

906
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:05,600
Speaker 5: you know, just to keep us safe. For city Council,

907
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,800
Speaker 5: you should never go into executive session without us knowing

908
00:56:09,840 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 5: your agenda. Yes, you know, I served on council, Mike,

909
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,680
Speaker 5: and I'm gonna tell you I've never we never did

910
00:56:15,719 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 5: executive session in all my years of serving on council. Really,

911
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 5: so this is a no, this is new. This is

912
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Speaker 5: a new tool that this council is deciding to exercise.

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Speaker 2: Here.

914
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Speaker 5: When I served with John Cranley or Charlie Luken as example,

915
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Speaker 5: we never went into executive session. The people's business was

916
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Speaker 5: always in the light, the sunshine rule was always there.

917
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 5: But for them to go into executive session and not

918
00:56:42,040 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 5: even tell us the agenda, right, it shows you how

919
00:56:45,200 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 5: aggressive this council is as far as discussing taxpayer business.

920
00:56:50,520 --> 00:56:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say that it's used in a

921
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:58,080
Speaker 1: lot of cases for discussing pending litigation. And you're saying

922
00:56:58,120 --> 00:56:59,600
Speaker 1: that that never happened while.

923
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Speaker 6: You were on.

924
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Speaker 2: No.

925
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:04,239
Speaker 5: Wow, you know we didn't. We did, we didn't. You know,

926
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Speaker 5: we didn't use executive session. This is something new under

927
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 5: this mayor and Council that they have now moved to

928
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 5: using executive session. And again, you know, we dealt with

929
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Speaker 5: the Gang of Five, who were, you know, illegally holding

930
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Speaker 5: meetings outside of the regular business of council. You know,

931
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Speaker 5: I'm saying if you're you know, I sit on the

932
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Speaker 5: casino board for the State of Ohio appointed by Governor

933
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Speaker 5: Mike DeWine. In the last two months, we had to

934
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 5: go into executive session. The agenda said this is why

935
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Speaker 5: we're going into executive session, pending litigation against the commission.

936
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Speaker 5: And we were advised by our attorney during that executive session.

937
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Speaker 5: And then we came out of executive session. But there

938
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Speaker 5: was not anybody in the audience knew why we were

939
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Speaker 5: going into executive session. The problem in this case is

940
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Speaker 5: it's okay to use executive session. I'm not knocking executive sess.

941
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Speaker 5: I'm asking counsel and the mayor and the manager and

942
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Speaker 5: the city' Sollersh's office. Why can't the public know your agenda?

943
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't see what's wrong with that.

944
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Speaker 1: And well, I'll tell you what. As I said in

945
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Speaker 1: the intro to you, Christopher, I mean, people in this

946
00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: city are really really honked off about this. Just the

947
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 1: proposition in general in this thing paying money to the

948
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Speaker 1: hint And family. I can't tell you. And it happened

949
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Speaker 1: this morning. I stopped me that coffee before I came

950
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: in this morning. People recognized me and said, what the

951
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:40,080
Speaker 1: hell's going on with that? Your thoughts in general on it.

952
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: It just it defies belief.

953
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:46,320
Speaker 5: In my opinion, Yeah, I agree with you. It's a

954
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:51,120
Speaker 5: bad decision for Cincinnati City Council to do this. And

955
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Speaker 5: we see a pattern in Cincinnati and across the country.

956
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 5: I mean, the eight point one million.

957
00:58:55,800 --> 00:58:57,280
Speaker 4: Dollars I thought was bill at five.

958
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,600
Speaker 5: This is another example where crime does pay. And you

959
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 5: know this notion that you know, we continue to you know,

960
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 5: support or protect criminals. And we're seeing this with ice,

961
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 5: We're seeing this with sheriffs. We're seeing this with police departments.

962
00:59:15,560 --> 00:59:20,120
Speaker 5: I mean, no matter FBI, at f DEA, we're seeing

963
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 5: this kind of behavior where it's about protecting the criminal

964
00:59:24,320 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 5: and not the law abiding citizens. And so this is

965
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 5: a terrible decision. It would be devastating for the morale

966
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Speaker 5: of the Cincinnati Police Department, the Hamilton County Sheriff's department.

967
00:59:35,280 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 5: For even the entertaining of it, right, is so ridiculous.

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00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 5: The entertaining of it. But let's say they actually settle

969
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 5: and they give the family money. How that's going to

970
00:59:46,240 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 5: make law enforcement feel? But I think that's where we are.

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00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 5: We're in the defund the police were in to reimagine

972
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 5: the police were into. You know, we don't need the police.

973
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Speaker 5: We said, Mike in the last election in November going

974
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Speaker 5: into twenty t twenty five, that this election was about

975
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:07,200
Speaker 5: all the Wines, and fifty two neighborhoods super majority voted

976
01:00:07,200 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 5: for this. So elections have consequences, and I would assume

977
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,800
Speaker 5: that the electorate who showed up and voted they support this.

978
01:00:16,320 --> 01:00:19,800
Speaker 5: Those who didn't vote one hundred and sixty thousand people

979
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Speaker 5: didn't show up and vote at all, and let's say

980
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 5: say thirty percent of those are like minded people like

981
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 5: you and I. You know, elections have consequences, Mike. If

982
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 5: you don't show up and participate in vote, you can't

983
01:00:30,920 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 5: complain about any of these outcomes.

984
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I tell you, And it's got me scratching my

985
01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: head and a lot of other people. Would you care to,

986
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: based on your background, training, and experience and counsel, kind

987
01:00:43,720 --> 01:00:46,480
Speaker 1: of give us your thoughts on what you think is

988
01:00:46,520 --> 01:00:49,200
Speaker 1: going to happen on this thing. It seems like they

989
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:52,200
Speaker 1: realize they're in a jam with this and a lot

990
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,400
Speaker 1: of other things too. What do you think is going

991
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:55,400
Speaker 1: to happen? Christopher?

992
01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 5: I think the city is going to give the family money.

993
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 5: That's what I think. I think that's the culture of

994
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 5: this council and the mayor and the city manager. I

995
01:01:06,480 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 5: think they're gonna I don't know what that dollar amount

996
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 5: will be, we certainly will see it. But I think

997
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,280
Speaker 5: they're going to give the They're going to give the

998
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 5: family money. And I think we're going to see more

999
01:01:16,440 --> 01:01:19,000
Speaker 5: of this. You know, notice that you know again, I

1000
01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 5: want to highlight she's Washington who was terminated wrongly.

1001
01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 4: She's Fiji.

1002
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 5: She's still on administrative lead getting paid. There's a pending lawsuit.

1003
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:32,160
Speaker 5: The gentleman who was attacked at city Hall in that

1004
01:01:32,240 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 5: city Hall, attacked downtown, punched in the back of the head,

1005
01:01:35,720 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 5: that was the beginning of the fight, was forced. It

1006
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 5: looked like cities listeners demanded that somebody might be charged.

1007
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,960
Speaker 5: That person was charged. His lawyer is saying, no, we're

1008
01:01:46,960 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 5: going to go to trial. There was a continuance, I

1009
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:52,760
Speaker 5: think yesterday there was, and that's gonna eventually, that's gonna

1010
01:01:53,120 --> 01:01:55,760
Speaker 5: that's going to end up in a lawsuit against the

1011
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 5: City of Cincinnati. So you know, taxpayers are getting hit

1012
01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,960
Speaker 5: while the mayor, Mike Allen, is saying that he would

1013
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 5: like to increase taxes and so this is all going

1014
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,720
Speaker 5: to come to a head thirty one, a thirty three

1015
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:11,040
Speaker 5: million dollar deficit in all of his pending litigation with

1016
01:02:11,240 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 5: judgment bonds. Again, elections have consequences.

1017
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: Let me ask you on the situation with the railroad funding.

1018
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:23,240
Speaker 1: I understand that that has to be used for infrastructure,

1019
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:26,800
Speaker 1: which frankly is high drive around the city, especially on

1020
01:02:26,840 --> 01:02:29,400
Speaker 1: the West side. I ain't seeing any evidence of that

1021
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:34,840
Speaker 1: at all. But because of the fact that that money

1022
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:39,280
Speaker 1: can be taken out of that fund for that purpose infrastructure,

1023
01:02:39,600 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 1: wouldn't that therefore mean that there would be more money

1024
01:02:42,760 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 1: available for public safety without raising the income tax or

1025
01:02:49,640 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: is that just kind of a pipe dream?

1026
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's a separate pot of money. I mean, the

1027
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 5: capital dollars are for bridges, roads, pothole you know, infrastructure.

1028
01:03:02,800 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 5: You know, we can't we can't use those dollars for operation.

1029
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Speaker 5: We certainly could use those dollars, which I wouldn't agree

1030
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Speaker 5: with with putting infrastructure in for the second phase of

1031
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Speaker 5: the streetcar. But again, as many of us discussed a

1032
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 5: decade ago, it wasn't well for me. It was the

1033
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Speaker 5: capital expenditure too, but the bigger part of it was

1034
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Speaker 5: the operation of the streetcar, which is now competing with

1035
01:03:27,080 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 5: basic services like police and fire and sanitation. So we're

1036
01:03:31,440 --> 01:03:34,720
Speaker 5: spending five million dollars or so is my estimation a

1037
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 5: year to operate the streetcar. People aren't paying to get

1038
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:41,439
Speaker 5: on the street car. It's not free. We're just subsidizing

1039
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,760
Speaker 5: it with five million dollars. And the city Council just

1040
01:03:44,800 --> 01:03:47,720
Speaker 5: seems to not want to make the tough decision. So

1041
01:03:47,760 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 5: for a quick example, with there, you're struggling in your

1042
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 5: household with the amount of money you're bringing in, but

1043
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:56,240
Speaker 5: you still have cable. You're still paying two hundred dollars

1044
01:03:56,280 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 5: a month for cable, or you have Netflix, so you

1045
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,680
Speaker 5: have Disney. You're not willing to give up any of

1046
01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 5: the bills and whistles. This is what's wrong with city Hall.

1047
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 5: They're not willing to pull in their own rain of

1048
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:12,120
Speaker 5: their spending, but they want us to pay more in taxes.

1049
01:04:12,160 --> 01:04:14,160
Speaker 5: And I think you know that's what you're going to

1050
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 5: see this this. You know, members, the citizens who are

1051
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 5: living in the fifty two neighborhoods are saying, my property

1052
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 5: taxes are going through the roof, and now you're going

1053
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 5: to hit me with a higher income tax. It's going

1054
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Speaker 5: to be it's going to be very very tough.

1055
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Speaker 1: It is a practical matter. How will that come down, Christopher?

1056
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's something counsel can do on their own,

1057
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 1: But can't it somehow be get some find some way

1058
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,479
Speaker 1: to get it on the ballot. I'm just not sure

1059
01:04:41,560 --> 01:04:42,480
Speaker 1: the ins and outs of that.

1060
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Speaker 5: Yeah, they pass it without passing an emergency, which I

1061
01:04:49,960 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 5: would think, you know, a fair transparent city council would

1062
01:04:55,400 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 5: pass a tax increase and not pass an emergency, meaning

1063
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Speaker 5: it goes into effect within uh you know, uh thirty

1064
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 5: days of passage, meaning you're giving the citizens the ability

1065
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Speaker 5: to petition. But if they pass the tax increase and

1066
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Speaker 5: also pass an emergency, then it will it will make

1067
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Speaker 5: it impossible for taxpayers to go out and collect senators

1068
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:25,760
Speaker 5: to stop it. But based on what I'm seeing from

1069
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Speaker 5: this council and this mayor and this administration, I would

1070
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Speaker 5: predict they're going to do all of those all of

1071
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Speaker 5: those things. Mike Allen, this is a very tough time.

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Speaker 5: You know, when you look at democratic cities, you know

1073
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Speaker 5: your your your show goes all over the United States

1074
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Speaker 5: of America. I mean, people are listening to this in Florida,

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Speaker 5: and so when you look across the state of Ohio.

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Speaker 5: This is why I say the zk Ramaswami, who I'm

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Speaker 5: supporting for governor, is so critical, meaning we have got

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Speaker 5: to hold the line in this gubernatorial race that we

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Speaker 5: don't lose the governor's office to liberal Democrats. I just

1080
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Speaker 5: can't see it, and I want to really just share

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Speaker 5: with you know, those farmers across Ohio, those small towns

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Speaker 5: across Ohio, whether it's Preble County or Butler County, whatever,

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Speaker 5: Claremont County, We've got to really focus in on that

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Speaker 5: gubernatorial race and make sure we're registering all the young

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Speaker 5: people of our families, those who are going away to college.

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Speaker 5: We want to make sure they come back and vote

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Speaker 5: in Ohio, vote in our local election, and make sure

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Speaker 5: that we vote for vivek Ramaswami to be the next

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Speaker 5: governor of the state of Ohio. I think it's just

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Speaker 5: a critical race because our judicial system is very, very

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Speaker 5: liberal across the state of Ohio, our county commissioners very liberal

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Speaker 5: across our counties. If we lose the state of Ohio,

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Speaker 5: we're in real trouble.

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Speaker 1: No, I hear you, and I agree with you too.

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Speaker 1: Only have a couple minutes left. I know this is

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Speaker 1: a little bit off topic, but I wanted to ask

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Speaker 1: you your thoughts on the oral arguments that are happy.

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Speaker 1: I think even as we speak in the Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: on the issue of transgenderism with in sports, college, high school,

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01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: whatever your thoughts on that. Again, it's the oral argument

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Speaker 1: is today sometime.

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Speaker 5: I'm a girl dad. I mean, you know, I've had

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Speaker 5: a wonderful, beautiful daughter at Seaton High School. She's a

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Speaker 5: varsity swimmer. My shout out to coach Jody Schaeffer. I

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Speaker 5: would not want men or boys swimming against my daughter

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Speaker 5: or anybody on the Seaton swim team. I think women

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Speaker 5: deserve the protection in our sports. We're talking about protecting them.

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Speaker 5: Whether they're playing volleyball, whether they're playing soccer, whether they're swimming.

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Speaker 5: They should have protection women. So I support the lgbt

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Speaker 5: Q plus community. You know, I'm a supporter of gay rights.

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Speaker 5: This is just a bridge too far that I think

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Speaker 5: that having men competing against women is just not fair.

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Speaker 5: The last point I'll make about it, Mike Allen, I

1114
01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 5: have blown away that we're even destopping it at the

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court. Like you and I, our grandparents are turning

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Speaker 5: over yes in their grades, they think that the Supreme

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Speaker 5: Court has to make this common sense decision that girls

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Speaker 5: and women in weightlifting, in boxing, and swimming need to

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Speaker 5: be protected so that men aren't competing against them in sports.

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Speaker 5: That's I think the reality and why these elections coming

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Speaker 5: up are so critical lacking common sense.

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Speaker 1: Yep, Hey, we're out of time, Christopher. I really appreciate

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01:08:37,920 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: you weighing in and hope we can call on you

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Speaker 1: again sometime.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so much, Mike Allen. People can follow me

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Speaker 5: if they want on X at vote Smitherman.

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Speaker 1: All right, my friend, thank you. All right. Well, I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what. He's always got good insights into everything,

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Speaker 1: and that last thing that he said I just have

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Speaker 1: to echo. And I got a few years on Christopher.

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01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 1: But to even think that that subject, that topic is

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01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:10,880
Speaker 1: before the highest court in the land just blows me away.

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01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 1: But hey, maybe that's just me. Hey, we got to

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01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:15,439
Speaker 1: take a break. But when we get back, we are

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01:09:15,479 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 1: going to talk to legal analyst and former Cincinnati City

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01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 1: Council member Steve Gooden. I'm going to ask him his

1137
01:09:22,040 --> 01:09:26,960
Speaker 1: thoughts on the proposed settlement with the Hinton family, also

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01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: his thoughts on the delay, the continuous the third one

1139
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 1: I believe in the Downtown beat down trial. I want

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01:09:34,160 --> 01:09:38,760
Speaker 1: to ask him too, will the ICE agent who was

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01:09:38,800 --> 01:09:43,120
Speaker 1: involved in that tragic shooting tragic because it was promulgated

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01:09:43,160 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: by the person that died, unfortunately, but whether that ICE

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01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:51,320
Speaker 1: agent can be prosecuted in state court by state agencies

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01:09:51,360 --> 01:09:53,439
Speaker 1: because I don't think the fedger are going to touch it.

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01:09:53,640 --> 01:09:56,120
Speaker 1: We'll do that when we get back. Mike Allen in

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01:09:56,200 --> 01:10:00,680
Speaker 1: Forslowe's seven hundred WLW asked Steve. He he is with

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01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:03,080
Speaker 1: the law firm of Port of Right, where he handles

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01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:06,840
Speaker 1: complicated civil and criminal matters. Steve, thanks so much for

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01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:08,000
Speaker 1: joining us this morning.

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01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,240
Speaker 9: But thank you, Mike. I think we're going to talk

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01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,120
Speaker 9: about some very complicated matters.

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01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:17,519
Speaker 1: Boy, you know what, I was thinking the same thing, Steve. Well,

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01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:21,240
Speaker 1: here's one that shouldn't be too complicated, the Downtown beat

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01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 1: down case, Alex. I think I'm pronouncing this right Stravinsky.

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01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:27,840
Speaker 1: He was set to go to trial yesterday. It was

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01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:32,240
Speaker 1: continued for the third time, somewhat unusual, but the judges

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01:10:32,360 --> 01:10:35,799
Speaker 1: judged Dante Johnson, who I feel is an excellent judge

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01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: and knows what he's doing. What's your thought on that?

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01:10:39,400 --> 01:10:42,920
Speaker 1: I mean the reason for the continuance. It could be

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01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 1: just about anything, but just your thoughts briefly and in

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01:10:46,360 --> 01:10:47,240
Speaker 1: general about that.

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01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:51,120
Speaker 9: Well, you know, I watched some of the video of

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01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:53,080
Speaker 9: the preceding and I'm with you. I think, you know,

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Speaker 9: Dante Johnson is one of the really, you know, kind

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01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 9: of rising star of great young judges down there, and

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01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 9: he really has a reputation for being even handed and fair,

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01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:07,360
Speaker 9: and I think he was yesterday. What the City Solicitor's

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01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:10,440
Speaker 9: office stated was this was that there was a witness

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01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 9: to whatever happened on Fourth Street, so called a beat down, brawl,

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01:11:15,200 --> 01:11:19,240
Speaker 9: whatever you want to call it, who allegedly was an

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Speaker 9: FBI informant. The prosecutor yesterday stated in open court that

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Speaker 9: that was false, that the person is not an FBI informant,

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Speaker 9: and that the news reports suggesting that the person was

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Speaker 9: an FBI informant has placed that person in jeopardy, and

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Speaker 9: that that person, whatever the name was, was afraid to

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Speaker 9: show up as a witness, and that the prosecution needed

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01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:44,680
Speaker 9: more time to get their case together. So again, this

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01:11:44,800 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 9: is one of these situations where you don't know who

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01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 9: or what to believe. I looked as though the prosecutor

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01:11:50,960 --> 01:11:55,479
Speaker 9: was sort of putting this whole FBI informant identification thing

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01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:59,479
Speaker 9: on the defense attorney. The defense attorney denied that what

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01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 9: the truth actually is, I don't know, but the judge

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01:12:03,160 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 9: basically gave them another month a month and a half

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01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,519
Speaker 9: to kind of sport all of this out. This does

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01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 9: look as though it was heading for a trial. This

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01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 9: guy is charged with disorderly conduct at a low level misdemeanor,

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Speaker 9: under the theory that he sort of helped like agitate

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01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:24,519
Speaker 9: or cause the quote unquote violent reaction that kind of

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Speaker 9: led to this whole incident. So you know, what the

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Speaker 9: truth is, I don't know. I don't know that anybody

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01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:31,760
Speaker 9: knows at this point. But a lot of it all

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Speaker 9: yesterday all hinged on this idea that there was an

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Speaker 9: FBI in format potentially involved as a witness to this case.

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, and like you said, I forget the exact date,

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Speaker 1: but it's a short continuance. And again he's charged with

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Speaker 1: disorderly conduct. A lot of controversy about it. Deck apparently

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01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:53,880
Speaker 1: had a real difficult time finding a cop that would

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Speaker 1: actually file the charge. As many believe, and I'm one

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Speaker 1: of them, that he's charged only because skin color happens

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Speaker 1: to be white. But hey, that's just me. I wanted

1201
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Speaker 1: to ask you to This one is a little more complicated,

1202
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:11,800
Speaker 1: the potential hint in settlement. Yesterday, Council went into executive

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01:13:11,840 --> 01:13:15,280
Speaker 1: session for apparently a couple hours in the afternoon, came out.

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01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 1: Nobody's saying anything. What are your thoughts on that.

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Speaker 9: Steve, Well, there's a couple of things. I mean, this

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Speaker 9: is a human tragedy on multiple multiple levels. I mean,

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Speaker 9: what we have is the young man, Ryan Hinton, who

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Speaker 9: was shot and killed by CPD officers. You know what

1209
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:36,160
Speaker 9: the what we know, or what we've been told, is

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01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:38,920
Speaker 9: that he was fleeing with a gun from a stolen car.

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Speaker 9: The county prosecutor cleared the officers, as has the city,

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01:13:44,800 --> 01:13:47,640
Speaker 9: and basically, I never people called a good shooting. There

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01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 9: is no good shooting. It's a shooting that probably appears.

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Speaker 2: To be legal.

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Speaker 9: We do know the Hinton family, you know, the young

1216
01:13:54,400 --> 01:13:56,639
Speaker 9: man apparently had never been in trouble before, so they've

1217
01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:59,080
Speaker 9: got a lot of questions about how this all came about.

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01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:02,360
Speaker 9: You know, they of hired council. They have not filed

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01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 9: a lawsuit at this point. We also know that within

1220
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:09,200
Speaker 9: a day or two. The young man's father, Rodney Hinton,

1221
01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:14,320
Speaker 9: then goes off and kills Larry Henderson, a retired deputy

1222
01:14:14,320 --> 01:14:18,679
Speaker 9: from Hamilton County. You know, he's now on facing murder

1223
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 9: charges and is basically has all but set the table

1224
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:25,400
Speaker 9: for a not guilty by reason of insanity defense in

1225
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:27,479
Speaker 9: which you know, he doesn't really deny that he did it,

1226
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:29,559
Speaker 9: but argues that he had some sort of pre existing

1227
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 9: mental conditions. So we have these two families that are

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01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 9: sort of forever linked, and just the way that that

1229
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:38,599
Speaker 9: the random, kind of awful way that these things happen.

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Speaker 9: What we do know that is this about yesterday. Ken Kober,

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01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:47,160
Speaker 9: who's the head of the f UP, issued appress release

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01:14:47,240 --> 01:14:50,120
Speaker 9: last week basically saying that the city manager, I guess

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01:14:50,160 --> 01:14:57,479
Speaker 9: city solicitor have been secretly negotiating a settlement and that

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01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,720
Speaker 9: and the city manager dinn But yet they did go

1235
01:15:01,800 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 9: into executive session yesterday council to be briefed on the matter.

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01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 9: And under Ohio law, the only two things you can

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01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:11,520
Speaker 9: be briefed about an executive session as an elected official

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01:15:12,920 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 9: are either a potential settlement of a lawsuit impending litigation,

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01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 9: or some sort of a personnel matter. They didn't say

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01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 9: which one. They really weren't supposed to say that, but

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01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:26,639
Speaker 9: based upon a couple different council number statements that looked

1242
01:15:26,680 --> 01:15:29,519
Speaker 9: as though there were some discussion about a hint, either

1243
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:32,839
Speaker 9: a hint in lawsuit that might be coming or settlement.

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01:15:33,200 --> 01:15:35,759
Speaker 9: We do know that his the hint and family lawyer

1245
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,839
Speaker 9: Fanon Rucker has stated publicly that there is no settlement

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01:15:40,400 --> 01:15:44,559
Speaker 9: that has been reached. So what occurred yesterday, we don't know.

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01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:47,680
Speaker 9: Everyone was very tight lipt when they left. It was

1248
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 9: an attorney client privileged discussion. They were allowed to talk

1249
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 9: about it, but it probably been told not to by

1250
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:57,280
Speaker 9: their counsel, and that's typically a smart thing to do.

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01:15:57,800 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 9: So we do know they were briefed yesterday. We presume

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01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:03,280
Speaker 9: it to be about that. There really is no indication

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01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:06,200
Speaker 9: that a final settlement has been reached. There is no lawsuit,

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01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:09,000
Speaker 9: and I just know that I would note that the

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01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:12,880
Speaker 9: context of this really matters. You know, the city did

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01:16:12,960 --> 01:16:16,120
Speaker 9: just enter into a very controversial eight point one million

1257
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:19,600
Speaker 9: dollar lawsuit with some of the George Floyd protesters. A

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01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:23,320
Speaker 9: lot of police officers feel very burned by that and

1259
01:16:23,479 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 9: question that. I mean, that's something you know that the

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01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:29,880
Speaker 9: city actually had had, you know, had had the prior

1261
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:33,479
Speaker 9: city solicitor had approved this curfew to shut down the protest,

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01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 9: they went out and forced it. So there's a lot

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01:16:35,320 --> 01:16:38,880
Speaker 9: of questions about that settlement. I think that lingers over

1264
01:16:39,520 --> 01:16:43,240
Speaker 9: whatever is or isn't happening on the Hint matter. So

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01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 9: you know, that's why a lot of folks are really

1266
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:48,760
Speaker 9: really watching that right now. So again, we don't know

1267
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 9: what's happening. It's not particularly unusual that we don't know

1268
01:16:52,880 --> 01:16:55,839
Speaker 9: at this stage. We know that no lawsuit has been filed,

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01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 9: and I think based on the public discussions, it's pretty

1270
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,680
Speaker 9: clear that you know, they family's council has had some

1271
01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:05,679
Speaker 9: discussions with the city. What the basis of a settlement

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01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,800
Speaker 9: could be is very unclear, and I think it's also

1273
01:17:08,920 --> 01:17:11,759
Speaker 9: pretty clear from some of the statements by a couple

1274
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 9: of the different council members, Walsh and Cranberton, particularly that

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01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:17,800
Speaker 9: they had a very negative reaction even to the concept

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01:17:18,479 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 9: of settling. I think, particularly given the fact that you know,

1277
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 9: what the young man's father appears to have done, so

1278
01:17:27,640 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 9: just an extraordinarily complicated thing that's going to take some

1279
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 9: time to play out, and I just think it's very

1280
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:39,200
Speaker 9: unfortunate that that this is surfacing after that giant settlement

1281
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:41,120
Speaker 9: to the protesters, which I think a lot of folks

1282
01:17:41,120 --> 01:17:43,919
Speaker 9: in the community, and particularly in the law enforcement community,

1283
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:45,960
Speaker 9: think was a very very bad thing.

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Speaker 1: You know, Steve across town where I go places in

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Speaker 1: it happened this morning too. I mean people literally stop

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Speaker 1: me and ask me about and the general maybe swear

1287
01:17:56,479 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 1: I hang out, But the general kind of question is

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01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 1: how in the hell can the city of Cincinnati paid

1289
01:18:02,080 --> 01:18:05,920
Speaker 1: money to that family. I mean, it just it defies

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01:18:06,160 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 1: all logic and in many people's opinion, common sense. Put

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01:18:10,560 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 1: your political hat on for a minute. You served on

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Speaker 1: city council, I mean, are you surprised that they are

1293
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:22,200
Speaker 1: apparently even considering this? And I understand nuisance settlements, but

1294
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:26,240
Speaker 1: this appears to be something that's more of a principal thing.

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Speaker 9: Well, you know, you know, it's really hard to say.

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Speaker 9: On the facts that I have seen, I would agree

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01:18:33,479 --> 01:18:35,720
Speaker 9: with your friends, Okay, I don't see. You know, when

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01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:39,880
Speaker 9: when you have a police shooting of the sort that

1299
01:18:39,920 --> 01:18:44,040
Speaker 9: we that we've seen here what we know about anyway,

1300
01:18:44,120 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 9: when you have multiple people having looked at it and

1301
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:50,840
Speaker 9: declared that nothing illegal or improper happened there. It's really

1302
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 9: really hard to even, you know, understand how the city

1303
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 9: could owe the family money. And I know, from from

1304
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 9: a common sense standpoint idea, I think the concern is, well,

1305
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 9: my God, could somehow the father who is who is

1306
01:19:05,800 --> 01:19:08,960
Speaker 9: a waiting trial for murder somehow benefit from this suit.

1307
01:19:09,000 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 9: I mean that is those are very common sense, natural questions.

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01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,240
Speaker 9: I don't see it. I don't get it. But there

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01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,120
Speaker 9: may be some piece of this that we don't know, right,

1310
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,880
Speaker 9: so I think we have to reserve a little judgment

1311
01:19:20,960 --> 01:19:24,800
Speaker 9: there because we don't know everything. But I'll just based

1312
01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:27,160
Speaker 9: on the facts that are publicly available. It is really

1313
01:19:27,200 --> 01:19:28,760
Speaker 9: a hard thing for a lot of people to get

1314
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 9: their head around. And just like this last settlement was,

1315
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:35,720
Speaker 9: and I think there was just this this fear that

1316
01:19:35,720 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 9: that right or wrong. There is this perception, particularly in

1317
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 9: the law enforcement community and among a lot of regular voters,

1318
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,200
Speaker 9: that these are some of these settlements are more political

1319
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:51,280
Speaker 9: minded than vile minded. And I hope that isn't the case,

1320
01:19:51,840 --> 01:19:53,519
Speaker 9: but you know, we just have to kind of wait

1321
01:19:53,560 --> 01:19:56,759
Speaker 9: and see on this one. Again, there's no lawsuit filed.

1322
01:19:56,880 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 9: We don't know particularly what's being alleged here, but we

1323
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 9: do know that both the county prosecutor, who all note

1324
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 9: it's an elected Democrats, and the Internal Affairs a CPD

1325
01:20:09,560 --> 01:20:13,200
Speaker 9: and everyone else, everyone has has cleared the officer who

1326
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:16,960
Speaker 9: pulled the trigger in regards to the younger Hinton. So

1327
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,000
Speaker 9: you know, I'm at a loss for what it could be.

1328
01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:23,760
Speaker 9: But again, there may be something we don't know, uh so,

1329
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:26,760
Speaker 9: But but right now I think it will be a

1330
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,680
Speaker 9: very very hard sell, I think, for for for the community,

1331
01:20:29,840 --> 01:20:32,360
Speaker 9: and particularly for the law enforcement community to ever get

1332
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:33,600
Speaker 9: there wrapt.

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01:20:33,360 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 1: No question about it. Big day, big day in the

1334
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 1: Supreme Court of the United States today, oral argument on

1335
01:20:40,680 --> 01:20:44,920
Speaker 1: whether biological men can compete in women's sports. I think

1336
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:50,160
Speaker 1: it's or Utah maybe or in West Virginia, two separates, No,

1337
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:53,639
Speaker 1: it's I don't know. It doesn't matter two separate states

1338
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:57,840
Speaker 1: are bringing that suit or that suit is being brought

1339
01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:02,160
Speaker 1: against them by uh people representing the people that want

1340
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 1: to participate in those sports. Your thoughts on that, Steven,

1341
01:21:05,479 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: And as a practicing lawyer, how important in your mind

1342
01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:14,920
Speaker 1: is oral argument mainly in front of the Supreme Court.

1343
01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 1: I've always kind of wondered that I've never been an

1344
01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 1: appella judge, but just wanted to get your thoughts on that.

1345
01:21:22,200 --> 01:21:22,360
Speaker 2: Well.

1346
01:21:22,400 --> 01:21:25,640
Speaker 9: You know, I think just in my experience, I mean,

1347
01:21:25,800 --> 01:21:29,759
Speaker 9: oral arguments probably only matter about fifteen or twenty percent

1348
01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:32,599
Speaker 9: of the time. By and large, I think most appellate

1349
01:21:32,680 --> 01:21:34,639
Speaker 9: judges have read the briefs and kind of have their

1350
01:21:34,680 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 9: minds made up. Frankly, it looks as though to me

1351
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:42,479
Speaker 9: the Supreme Court is very much primed to go back

1352
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:44,760
Speaker 9: to a much more and I think correctly go back

1353
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:48,439
Speaker 9: to a much more traditional, common sense view of gender.

1354
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:51,479
Speaker 9: You know, I don't think the oral arguments are going

1355
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:53,519
Speaker 9: to matter that much. I count six about its right

1356
01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 9: away to stick with a biological definition of man and

1357
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:00,760
Speaker 9: female when it comes to sport. I mean, I think

1358
01:22:00,760 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 9: that's just common sense. It's where the public is, it's

1359
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 9: where our traditions are. I think it's very interesting too,

1360
01:22:06,280 --> 01:22:09,240
Speaker 9: that just a couple of months ago, Uh, basically the

1361
01:22:09,240 --> 01:22:13,280
Speaker 9: British Supreme Court, you know, has already gone that way.

1362
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:16,679
Speaker 9: It's basically said, hey, look, you know, how we're born matters,

1363
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 9: what biology is matters. Uh, And they have gone back.

1364
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 9: Even in the sort of more lefty United Kingdom has

1365
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 9: adopted a just the common sense gender definition there that's

1366
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:32,599
Speaker 9: not to say that people don't have issues with you know, uh,

1367
01:22:32,720 --> 01:22:35,360
Speaker 9: you know, there are i know, the medical issues, there's intersects,

1368
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 9: you know, people who were born that way. I understand

1369
01:22:38,200 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 9: all those things. But by and large, when it comes

1370
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,559
Speaker 9: to actually, you know, competing in sports and making common

1371
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:48,120
Speaker 9: sense definitions for education and accommodations, you know, the the

1372
01:22:48,280 --> 01:22:51,640
Speaker 9: vast majority of people in the world, you know, have

1373
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 9: a biological gender and and that is kind of the

1374
01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 9: way our society is organized and based. And and the

1375
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:03,240
Speaker 9: idea that we've struggling with that as a legal community

1376
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,320
Speaker 9: or as a society is just one of those like

1377
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:09,040
Speaker 9: very bizarre things to me. To me, it's just common sense.

1378
01:23:09,400 --> 01:23:11,360
Speaker 9: It looks as though the court's going to go that way.

1379
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:15,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone that I have talked to literally has said

1380
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:19,200
Speaker 1: the same thing. That can't believe that we're even in

1381
01:23:19,200 --> 01:23:22,160
Speaker 1: this posture where it has to be decided by the

1382
01:23:22,240 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 1: highest court in the land. But you know, that's life

1383
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 1: in the year twenty twenty six. I'm afraid, Hey, I

1384
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:30,040
Speaker 1: don't have a lot of time for this, darnet. And

1385
01:23:30,040 --> 01:23:32,720
Speaker 1: this is one I really wanted to dig into you

1386
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:37,000
Speaker 1: with the question of whether state charges can be filed

1387
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:42,719
Speaker 1: in a prosecution en sue for ice officer Jonathan Ross

1388
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: and that shooting in Minneapolis. I guess it seems to

1389
01:23:49,120 --> 01:23:52,320
Speaker 1: me like, yes, they can be fouled if some things

1390
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:55,840
Speaker 1: are meant, and then possibly even removed to federal court.

1391
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,240
Speaker 1: I only got you about a minute and a half left, Steve.

1392
01:23:59,280 --> 01:23:59,880
Speaker 1: I'm sorry.

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01:24:01,880 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 9: Well, yeah, I'll be I'll be real quick on this one.

1394
01:24:04,040 --> 01:24:05,880
Speaker 9: The answer, that's going to be a big question mark

1395
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,320
Speaker 9: going forward. I think that's what everyone's watching to see

1396
01:24:08,320 --> 01:24:10,400
Speaker 9: if they do try to indict him. I mean, there

1397
01:24:10,479 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 9: is an argument that the federal law could preempt There

1398
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:16,040
Speaker 9: is an argument if the local authorities do indict him,

1399
01:24:16,080 --> 01:24:18,040
Speaker 9: that they could try to remove it to federal court,

1400
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:22,840
Speaker 9: where jurisdiction will presumably be more favorable. You know, I mean,

1401
01:24:22,880 --> 01:24:26,760
Speaker 9: typically speaking on federal agians are only subject to federal jurisdiction.

1402
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:29,799
Speaker 9: But you know this, this is we are heading into.

1403
01:24:29,600 --> 01:24:31,879
Speaker 1: A very very weird time where.

1404
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:34,559
Speaker 9: A lot of those lines are being are being blurred.

1405
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:38,360
Speaker 9: So I will be surprised if they don't try to

1406
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 9: indict him locally there in Minneapolis. So we're just going

1407
01:24:42,120 --> 01:24:43,840
Speaker 9: to have to wait and see. The short version is

1408
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 9: we're gonna we're digging into questions that have not been

1409
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:50,519
Speaker 9: litigated in many, many, many many decades, where you have

1410
01:24:51,080 --> 01:24:54,840
Speaker 9: local authorities that are standing in direct opposition to federal directives.

1411
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 9: So it's a very again unfortunate time, you know that,

1412
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 9: where we're litigating issues I think we all thought were

1413
01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:05,000
Speaker 9: long settled. Typically the federal agent would be would be

1414
01:25:05,160 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 9: dealt with by the federal authorities, but now we have

1415
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:10,519
Speaker 9: local authorities. It seemed to have a very very very

1416
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:14,439
Speaker 9: different view to forwards.

1417
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 1: All right, time, all right, Steve, thank you so much.

1418
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:19,720
Speaker 1: I really appreciate we covered a lot of ground and

1419
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:20,880
Speaker 1: I thank you for it.

1420
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:23,240
Speaker 9: Anytime.

1421
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:26,280
Speaker 1: Might take care, Okay, bye bye. All right, Steve good

1422
01:25:26,320 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 1: and legal analyst. I'll tell you what he's good. He

1423
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 1: knows the stuff. I wish I would have asked that

1424
01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:36,480
Speaker 1: question about whether that ice officer can be charged statewide

1425
01:25:36,920 --> 01:25:39,240
Speaker 1: earlier we could have expounded on a little bit. What

1426
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:43,280
Speaker 1: I'm reading is the answer is yes, and then I

1427
01:25:43,320 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 1: think if some circumstances apply, it can possibly be removed

1428
01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:52,240
Speaker 1: a federal court. Like Steve said, it is an absolute

1429
01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:54,320
Speaker 1: mess and it's going to be one of those stay

1430
01:25:54,360 --> 01:25:56,400
Speaker 1: tuned deals. Hey, we got to take a break. But

1431
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:58,560
Speaker 1: when we get back open lines if you want to

1432
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:01,840
Speaker 1: call seven four, nine, seven one, eight hundred, the big

1433
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:05,080
Speaker 1: one are the numbers. Mike Allen in for Scott Sloan's

1434
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:09,840
Speaker 1: seven hundred WLW eleven thirty eight News Radio, seven hundred

1435
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 1: WLW Mike Allen in for Scott Sloan today and thirdsday.

1436
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 1: As promised, I'm going right to the phones. Let's talk

1437
01:26:18,280 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 1: to Greg in Michigan. Hey, good morning, Greg, Hey, good

1438
01:26:22,960 --> 01:26:23,679
Speaker 1: morning Mike.

1439
01:26:24,120 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 6: Mister positive thanks for taking my call. When you talk

1440
01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:32,200
Speaker 6: about the situation in Minnesota, we have to understand the

1441
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:36,680
Speaker 6: fundamental axiom of confirmation bias. You and I, Mike can

1442
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,799
Speaker 6: look at a situation and we can see the exact

1443
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:43,240
Speaker 6: same thing. We're going to come out with different conclusions.

1444
01:26:43,720 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 6: Ask yourself why You've got to understand that what you

1445
01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:53,840
Speaker 6: believe from the past, you're going to make predicate your

1446
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:57,360
Speaker 6: decision upon that. Me and Chris Cuom will talk about

1447
01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,400
Speaker 6: this all the time you look at something, I'm going

1448
01:27:00,479 --> 01:27:04,080
Speaker 6: to judge you, Mike Allen, about what you did in

1449
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 6: the past, and I'm going to assert it with the

1450
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 6: situation that's directly in front of us. We can't do that,

1451
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 6: Ladies and gentlemen, you have to look at the situation

1452
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:19,040
Speaker 6: rate in front of us in Minnesota.

1453
01:27:19,400 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 2: No matter.

1454
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 6: She did not use the car to run him over.

1455
01:27:22,920 --> 01:27:27,439
Speaker 6: You see the tires turn away. Why would she back up?

1456
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:30,280
Speaker 6: If I want to run Mike Allen over, I'm going

1457
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 6: to go directly straight. I'm not going to back up.

1458
01:27:33,680 --> 01:27:39,800
Speaker 6: This is such a divisive country that we're not looking

1459
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:44,520
Speaker 6: at things objectively. I need people to read philosophy, understand

1460
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 6: iron Ran, understand the law of identity A is a

1461
01:27:47,960 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 6: Aristotelian logic.

1462
01:27:50,000 --> 01:27:51,639
Speaker 2: People are just so.

1463
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:58,240
Speaker 6: Emotional on this and they cannot separate their emotion from logic.

1464
01:27:58,640 --> 01:28:01,200
Speaker 2: What say you, Michael, I'll tell you what.

1465
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:05,640
Speaker 1: It's an interesting conversation. And I don't discount all of

1466
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,639
Speaker 1: what you say. I mean, you're right. You do bring

1467
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 1: your prior I guess, biases or experiences into a question

1468
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:19,120
Speaker 1: like about something like this. But everybody's gonna feel a

1469
01:28:19,160 --> 01:28:23,760
Speaker 1: different way or not really that the two sides they're

1470
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:27,639
Speaker 1: about equal number. The battle lines have been drawn and

1471
01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 1: we are not listening to each other. I certainly agree

1472
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 1: with you on that, and I wish we can find

1473
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:35,200
Speaker 1: a way to do that.

1474
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:39,400
Speaker 6: Oh you're you're spot on. Thanks for taking my call.

1475
01:28:39,800 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 6: Everybody find man Facebook, Gregory Baltef, mister positive he.

1476
01:28:44,040 --> 01:28:45,800
Speaker 1: Can you can you smell your last night? Because I

1477
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:46,479
Speaker 1: want to look you up.

1478
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:46,720
Speaker 4: Man.

1479
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:50,760
Speaker 2: Please g R E g r E g o r y.

1480
01:28:51,479 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 2: That's my first name.

1481
01:28:52,320 --> 01:28:56,600
Speaker 6: Baltef spelled B like boy a, l T, like Tom, E,

1482
01:28:56,800 --> 01:28:59,679
Speaker 6: like Elvis, F like Frank Frank.

1483
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 2: You can hear me on Stephen A.

1484
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:05,439
Speaker 6: Smith, Chris Cuomo. I'm a shaker remover. I want to

1485
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:07,920
Speaker 6: make people believe in their dreams. I want everyone to

1486
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,679
Speaker 6: go for your dreams. And I wish Bill Cunningham would

1487
01:29:10,720 --> 01:29:13,880
Speaker 6: put me on a show. He sometimes doesn't treat me well,

1488
01:29:14,120 --> 01:29:17,120
Speaker 6: but I want him to read more philosophy. I want

1489
01:29:17,200 --> 01:29:19,960
Speaker 6: him to not to be a reporter. I want Billy.

1490
01:29:21,160 --> 01:29:24,600
Speaker 6: I love Rappin' Bill. I want him to be more philosophical,

1491
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:27,360
Speaker 6: not just say this is what happened in New York,

1492
01:29:27,400 --> 01:29:29,800
Speaker 6: this is what happened in Cincinnati. I want him to

1493
01:29:29,800 --> 01:29:32,640
Speaker 6: be like Cuomo and be philosophical and get to the

1494
01:29:32,680 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 6: nitty gritty, because that's the only way we're going to

1495
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:35,880
Speaker 6: find truth.

1496
01:29:35,920 --> 01:29:38,280
Speaker 2: Everybody, everybody, go for your dreams.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. That was interesting, But I mean I was

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01:29:44,280 --> 01:29:48,040
Speaker 1: telling the truth. I don't discount that. I don't. And

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01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:51,320
Speaker 1: as far as reading philosophy, yeah, I had to do

1500
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:54,120
Speaker 1: that in college, and I wasn't really a big fan.

1501
01:29:54,200 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd read a lot, but it's mostly biographies

1502
01:29:57,240 --> 01:29:59,679
Speaker 1: and things like that. I don't know. I just don't

1503
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:02,559
Speaker 1: think brain's kind of set up for the classics. But

1504
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:06,360
Speaker 1: I don't denigrate it. But he's right. I mean, we

1505
01:30:06,479 --> 01:30:10,040
Speaker 1: should be trying to talk to each other. It's not happening.

1506
01:30:10,160 --> 01:30:11,880
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm going to have a point of

1507
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:16,719
Speaker 1: view on that. I think a conservative is much much,

1508
01:30:17,400 --> 01:30:22,680
Speaker 1: much more willing to have a conversation with someone of

1509
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 1: a different political persuasion than if you flip it. Because

1510
01:30:27,479 --> 01:30:29,679
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I mean I have to generalize here because

1511
01:30:29,680 --> 01:30:34,800
Speaker 1: I think I'm right more than half the vast majority

1512
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:39,280
Speaker 1: of those on the left, they feel sanctified. They feel

1513
01:30:39,320 --> 01:30:42,120
Speaker 1: like they're right, no matter what they feel like. Well,

1514
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:45,240
Speaker 1: professor told me this, so it's got to be true.

1515
01:30:45,360 --> 01:30:47,879
Speaker 1: I think that's the big problem with a lot of them.

1516
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:53,559
Speaker 1: You're much more likely to get a debate, and boy,

1517
01:30:53,640 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 1: my Saturday Show proves this. You're much more likely to

1518
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:03,759
Speaker 1: get a debate with a conservative then with a liberal.

1519
01:31:03,800 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 1: Because I mean, they do it. They'll call, with some exceptions,

1520
01:31:08,479 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 1: they'll call, you know, they'll yell and scream, and you

1521
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:14,160
Speaker 1: try to engage them, and more often than not, it

1522
01:31:14,520 --> 01:31:17,800
Speaker 1: ends up with them hanging up on you. There's a

1523
01:31:17,880 --> 01:31:20,640
Speaker 1: guy and I had a guy Saturday. He was a

1524
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:23,720
Speaker 1: leftist kind of guy. He had a good conversation and

1525
01:31:23,760 --> 01:31:26,400
Speaker 1: we're talking back and forth. He said, Yeah, I wish

1526
01:31:26,439 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 1: we still had Glenn from Mason. You may remember him.

1527
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:34,240
Speaker 1: Glenn was on the left, unapologetic, and man, if you

1528
01:31:34,360 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 1: locked horns with him, you better be ready because he was.

1529
01:31:37,840 --> 01:31:42,160
Speaker 1: And that's what we need. We need that so badly.

1530
01:31:42,920 --> 01:31:46,320
Speaker 1: But the other side they ain't willing to do that.

1531
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:51,120
Speaker 1: They're not I've said it since literally my first radio show,

1532
01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:53,800
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna say it till my last, which I

1533
01:31:53,880 --> 01:31:58,080
Speaker 1: hope is not is a long way off. It's the

1534
01:31:58,439 --> 01:32:03,000
Speaker 1: arrogance of liberal is they think they are right no

1535
01:32:03,040 --> 01:32:07,200
Speaker 1: matter what. It is very rare that they will engage

1536
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 1: with you, and if they do, in many, if not

1537
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:14,400
Speaker 1: most cases, it ends up with them calling, at least

1538
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:16,400
Speaker 1: on my show, call me a name and hanging up

1539
01:32:16,400 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 1: on me. But I really that an interesting call, and

1540
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:22,120
Speaker 1: I look that dude, up when I get home. Okay,

1541
01:32:22,200 --> 01:32:25,760
Speaker 1: let's talk to Ken in Sharonville. Hey, Ken, how you doing.

1542
01:32:26,360 --> 01:32:29,519
Speaker 10: Good morning, Mike. I just wanted to tell you. I

1543
01:32:29,680 --> 01:32:34,679
Speaker 10: was listening to the WHIO twelve ninety o Kepin Dayton

1544
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:38,599
Speaker 10: and they were reporting some protests that they had up there.

1545
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:42,280
Speaker 10: I guess it was Sunday, And then after reporting it,

1546
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:48,519
Speaker 10: they also reported the group that organized it. Okay, and

1547
01:32:48,600 --> 01:32:50,920
Speaker 10: I think the group was I think I got this right,

1548
01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:58,360
Speaker 10: American Socialist Marxist Society. So that was honest reporting. These

1549
01:32:58,439 --> 01:33:04,320
Speaker 10: news agencies like yours that have a lead story every time,

1550
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:07,320
Speaker 10: and they've done this for all day yesterday and all

1551
01:33:07,400 --> 01:33:13,080
Speaker 10: day to day about these paid for protests and don't

1552
01:33:13,120 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 10: tell who's organizing it. Then they're part They're in on

1553
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:17,600
Speaker 10: the scam.

1554
01:33:17,960 --> 01:33:20,000
Speaker 1: You know what. I gotta agree with you on that.

1555
01:33:20,400 --> 01:33:23,000
Speaker 1: The only thing is, let me say this with respect

1556
01:33:23,080 --> 01:33:28,000
Speaker 1: to radio boy, you are so limited in time as

1557
01:33:28,040 --> 01:33:30,400
Speaker 1: to how deep you can dig into it. But hey,

1558
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:32,880
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm with you, man. I would love

1559
01:33:33,200 --> 01:33:35,120
Speaker 1: for someone in the media, and it's not going to

1560
01:33:35,160 --> 01:33:37,479
Speaker 1: be any of the mainstream media. It would have to

1561
01:33:37,479 --> 01:33:40,000
Speaker 1: be someone on the right to dig into that and

1562
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:43,360
Speaker 1: look at it because from everything I'm seeing. I'm watching

1563
01:33:43,400 --> 01:33:47,160
Speaker 1: these things going back and forth, and it sure looks

1564
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 1: to me like in some cities they're carrying the same

1565
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:54,479
Speaker 1: signs as they are in other cities. And you're right,

1566
01:33:54,560 --> 01:33:59,280
Speaker 1: it is very relevant who's bankrolling these damn things, And

1567
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:04,639
Speaker 1: they sure don't look spontaneous to me. Thank you, Mike, Okay,

1568
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:08,920
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah. I mean that's a really, really good point.

1569
01:34:09,240 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 1: And I wish somebody would do that, because I think

1570
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:16,160
Speaker 1: some people may be surprised at what you find. You know,

1571
01:34:16,200 --> 01:34:18,080
Speaker 1: and you can say, well, who cares. They still have

1572
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:21,080
Speaker 1: a right to proch. Yeah, they do. But I think

1573
01:34:21,160 --> 01:34:23,720
Speaker 1: that's something that the public has a right to know

1574
01:34:23,880 --> 01:34:26,479
Speaker 1: and should know. And well, I hope somebody picks up

1575
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 1: on that someday, someday soon. Hey, let's talk to Ross

1576
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:33,000
Speaker 1: and Portsmouth. Hey, Ross, how you doing.

1577
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:34,760
Speaker 9: I'm doing good.

1578
01:34:35,520 --> 01:34:38,320
Speaker 11: It's very unfortunate that a person had to lose their

1579
01:34:38,400 --> 01:34:43,360
Speaker 11: eyes in these situations. My understanding is they had been

1580
01:34:43,479 --> 01:34:49,640
Speaker 11: told several times to quit obstructing law in their process

1581
01:34:49,720 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 11: that day. That wasn't the first place that had happened.

1582
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:55,800
Speaker 11: The road was blocked, which is a violation.

1583
01:34:55,439 --> 01:34:55,960
Speaker 5: Of the law.

1584
01:34:58,640 --> 01:35:02,120
Speaker 11: The thing is here's the thing. When a law enforcement officer,

1585
01:35:02,200 --> 01:35:05,880
Speaker 11: no matter who it is, ice, city police, sheriff's department,

1586
01:35:06,040 --> 01:35:10,120
Speaker 11: FBI instructs you, requests you, or tells you.

1587
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:10,839
Speaker 5: To do something.

1588
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:15,120
Speaker 11: If you follow their instructions, probably nobody's gonna get hurt,

1589
01:35:15,160 --> 01:35:16,000
Speaker 11: little and killed.

1590
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:20,960
Speaker 1: You are absolutely right about that. You're right now.

1591
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:23,800
Speaker 11: You can protest and you can do what you want.

1592
01:35:24,439 --> 01:35:29,400
Speaker 11: The other gentleman, I respect his opinion about the turning

1593
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:33,960
Speaker 11: of the wheels in the backing up, but how did

1594
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,360
Speaker 11: the officer get hit and the vehicle will be going

1595
01:35:36,439 --> 01:35:40,400
Speaker 11: forward when the shots was fired? Well, see my question

1596
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:45,400
Speaker 11: to him. And number two to the lady that in

1597
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:51,360
Speaker 11: Butler County addressed. My question to her would be.

1598
01:35:52,720 --> 01:35:53,080
Speaker 6: Uh.

1599
01:35:53,160 --> 01:35:59,439
Speaker 11: I think it's time personally that most places have federal funding.

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01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:03,160
Speaker 11: Means probably the Butler County Jail has federal money. You

1601
01:36:03,280 --> 01:36:10,160
Speaker 11: can't refuse to incarcerate people that a federal agent has

1602
01:36:10,280 --> 01:36:14,400
Speaker 11: arrested without the loss or the chance of the loss

1603
01:36:14,400 --> 01:36:16,880
Speaker 11: of federal funding. And I think the only thing that's

1604
01:36:16,880 --> 01:36:20,160
Speaker 11: ever going to be understood in these liberal cities, in

1605
01:36:20,200 --> 01:36:23,479
Speaker 11: the liberal areas and by the liberals is when the

1606
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:29,240
Speaker 11: money dries up, then when the services they want is

1607
01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:32,800
Speaker 11: not there, then they start crying and hollering. Then you

1608
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 11: can pull them out. This is what you asked for.

1609
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:38,240
Speaker 11: This is what we are giving you what you asked for.

1610
01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:42,880
Speaker 11: And are elected politicians from the lowest level right to

1611
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:48,839
Speaker 11: the state, right to Washington, d C. I personally believe

1612
01:36:49,560 --> 01:36:52,040
Speaker 11: it doesn't matter if it's a Democrat or Republican or

1613
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 11: an independent. They do not listen to their constituent. And

1614
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:02,000
Speaker 11: what you guys have got on in Cincinnati's horrible. And

1615
01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:06,880
Speaker 11: I'll throw this out there. There is a thing I

1616
01:37:07,320 --> 01:37:09,760
Speaker 11: think you can do it. I thought you could do it,

1617
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:14,439
Speaker 11: recall petition for an election to people ont of office.

1618
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:17,559
Speaker 11: Why don't someone in Cincinnati get a recall petition?

1619
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 4: If they're not going to.

1620
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:23,800
Speaker 11: Follow the will of the people, then fine, get them out.

1621
01:37:23,960 --> 01:37:26,400
Speaker 11: But you know what, when you put someone in office,

1622
01:37:27,080 --> 01:37:30,080
Speaker 11: they're gonna be decisions that are not popular. There's gonna

1623
01:37:30,120 --> 01:37:33,559
Speaker 11: be a lot of decisions that are unpopular, and you

1624
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:35,880
Speaker 11: can't weigh that into your decision. You got to do

1625
01:37:35,960 --> 01:37:39,960
Speaker 11: what's right because that's what the people are elected you for.

1626
01:37:40,200 --> 01:37:43,200
Speaker 11: But these people are only worried about being re elected

1627
01:37:43,560 --> 01:37:45,479
Speaker 11: for whatever their personal reasons are.

1628
01:37:46,800 --> 01:37:48,160
Speaker 1: And it's hard.

1629
01:37:48,160 --> 01:37:53,880
Speaker 11: It's just time. It's just time the elected officials are

1630
01:37:53,920 --> 01:37:54,760
Speaker 11: held accountable.

1631
01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:57,599
Speaker 1: Well, you know what accountability is, the is the key

1632
01:37:57,640 --> 01:37:59,800
Speaker 1: to all of it. Ross And I appreciate the call,

1633
01:38:00,040 --> 01:38:04,280
Speaker 1: thank you, I really do. Yeah, I mean a recall petition.

1634
01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:07,160
Speaker 1: I believe Ohio has provision. I'm sure they have provision

1635
01:38:07,200 --> 01:38:10,400
Speaker 1: for that. But boy, I'll tell you my recollection is

1636
01:38:10,439 --> 01:38:12,200
Speaker 1: and it's been a long time since I looked at

1637
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:14,720
Speaker 1: it as it is. It's really hard to do. You

1638
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:18,040
Speaker 1: need a ton of signatures. But you know, there again,

1639
01:38:18,120 --> 01:38:20,960
Speaker 1: and that's a Donald Trump takes so much crap for

1640
01:38:21,040 --> 01:38:24,360
Speaker 1: so much. I'll tell you one thing he can't shouldn't

1641
01:38:24,360 --> 01:38:27,720
Speaker 1: take crap for is not doing what he said he's

1642
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:31,920
Speaker 1: going to do. I mean, he was elected, not overwhelmingly

1643
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,640
Speaker 1: like he says, but it wasn't really close, let's just

1644
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:39,400
Speaker 1: say comfortably elected. And you know, people that voted for him,

1645
01:38:39,439 --> 01:38:42,280
Speaker 1: the majority that did, heard what he had to say,

1646
01:38:42,360 --> 01:38:45,120
Speaker 1: and he's following through on it. So I think there's

1647
01:38:45,160 --> 01:38:48,120
Speaker 1: accountability there with him at least. Hey, let's talk to

1648
01:38:48,200 --> 01:38:53,280
Speaker 1: Steven Lovelin. Hey, Steve, real quick, Okay.

1649
01:38:54,400 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 12: I was just going to say the other day, and

1650
01:38:57,000 --> 01:38:59,839
Speaker 12: it was the morning after the shooting.

1651
01:39:00,400 --> 01:39:00,559
Speaker 2: Uh.

1652
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:05,160
Speaker 12: Fox had a an article and basically they know who

1653
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:08,200
Speaker 12: these people are. They put something out and they did

1654
01:39:08,200 --> 01:39:14,160
Speaker 12: this timeline and it's basically American socialists, but they named names.

1655
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:17,519
Speaker 12: They named time Reed when they were getting signs. Yeah,

1656
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:20,360
Speaker 12: so that's they know. And I think it's probably because

1657
01:39:20,360 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 12: they have people on the inside, but they put that

1658
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:25,360
Speaker 12: all together so they.

1659
01:39:25,200 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 5: Know who's causing this.

1660
01:39:26,360 --> 01:39:28,920
Speaker 12: The funny thing is, I don't think all these liberal

1661
01:39:29,040 --> 01:39:34,800
Speaker 12: moms realize that, you know, that it's socialistations that are

1662
01:39:34,840 --> 01:39:39,760
Speaker 12: calling for this kind of revolution and again young susceptible

1663
01:39:39,880 --> 01:39:44,200
Speaker 12: to revolution, but they do know.

1664
01:39:44,400 --> 01:39:47,040
Speaker 1: I guess this is the well Yeah, I mean because

1665
01:39:47,120 --> 01:39:50,240
Speaker 1: their professors cram it down their throats and they don't

1666
01:39:50,240 --> 01:39:54,000
Speaker 1: have the stones that have another side presented because they're

1667
01:39:54,040 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 1: afraid that they wouldn't that students wouldn't agree with them,

1668
01:39:57,120 --> 01:40:00,000
Speaker 1: they'd agree with the other side. It just doesn't happen.

1669
01:40:00,240 --> 01:40:02,360
Speaker 1: Let me ask you, because I'm gonna drill down on it.

1670
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:06,600
Speaker 1: So it was on National Fox News. Was it like

1671
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:08,480
Speaker 1: a story, a written.

1672
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:10,680
Speaker 12: Story or it was Yeah, it was on on an

1673
01:40:10,720 --> 01:40:13,280
Speaker 12: app on my phone and it was a written story, Okay,

1674
01:40:13,400 --> 01:40:14,799
Speaker 12: but it was Fox News.

1675
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:18,639
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm gonna check that out because I was waiting

1676
01:40:18,680 --> 01:40:22,280
Speaker 1: for somebody to do that, and earlier caller today was

1677
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:25,040
Speaker 1: kind of saying the same thing. And it doesn't surprise

1678
01:40:25,120 --> 01:40:27,000
Speaker 1: me at all. Let me ask you if you can

1679
01:40:27,080 --> 01:40:30,280
Speaker 1: recall did the name George Sorows come up at all

1680
01:40:30,320 --> 01:40:31,120
Speaker 1: in that story?

1681
01:40:31,640 --> 01:40:35,799
Speaker 5: Surprisingly, no, there was but same names.

1682
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:40,400
Speaker 12: And I was looking for his name now, But there

1683
01:40:40,439 --> 01:40:44,439
Speaker 12: there were I think a couple of a couple of

1684
01:40:44,479 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 12: female names, you know, who were who were prominent? Uh uh,

1685
01:40:50,920 --> 01:40:52,400
Speaker 12: you know the ones who are calling the shot?

1686
01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:55,120
Speaker 1: Sure, sure that way, yeah.

1687
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:56,639
Speaker 5: But no, it wasn't there.

1688
01:40:56,680 --> 01:40:59,200
Speaker 12: There really wasn't anything that tied him to it.

1689
01:40:59,240 --> 01:41:01,320
Speaker 1: I was looking for, you know what, I'm gonna check

1690
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:04,639
Speaker 1: it out. I really appreciated Steve. That's important and people

1691
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:06,360
Speaker 1: need to know. So I'm gonna try and see if

1692
01:41:06,360 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 1: I can find it.

1693
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:10,240
Speaker 12: All right, Hey, Mike, thanks a love three times.

1694
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:12,880
Speaker 1: Okay, thank you. Yeah, I'll tell you what. As soon

1695
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:14,960
Speaker 1: as I get home, I'm gonna drill down and try

1696
01:41:15,000 --> 01:41:18,360
Speaker 1: to find that. And you know, it doesn't surprise me

1697
01:41:18,400 --> 01:41:21,280
Speaker 1: at all. What he said is to who they are

1698
01:41:21,439 --> 01:41:26,520
Speaker 1: this socialist organization, that socialist organization, And I'm telling you

1699
01:41:26,520 --> 01:41:28,719
Speaker 1: you know, some people think I'm obsessed with it. Maybe

1700
01:41:28,760 --> 01:41:33,160
Speaker 1: I am, maybe I'm not. This stuff so much of

1701
01:41:33,240 --> 01:41:38,479
Speaker 1: it starts with the college professor. And now I mean

1702
01:41:38,560 --> 01:41:42,320
Speaker 1: even high school teachers and even as young as Great School,

1703
01:41:42,400 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 1: they start the indoctrination. That's got to stop or we're

1704
01:41:46,040 --> 01:41:49,000
Speaker 1: never going to see an end to dealing with this.

1705
01:41:49,479 --> 01:41:51,960
Speaker 1: I mean, you look at it. When we were kids,

1706
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:55,440
Speaker 1: we were raised in a conservative household, and we discussed

1707
01:41:56,240 --> 01:41:59,679
Speaker 1: issues around the dinner table. I don't think that happens anymore.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of reasons is because mom's working, dad's working.

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01:42:02,800 --> 01:42:05,360
Speaker 1: Somebody's got to make the dinner and maybe they don't

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01:42:05,400 --> 01:42:08,719
Speaker 1: have time. But I guess that's just a long way

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01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:12,519
Speaker 1: of saying that we need to do a little bit

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01:42:12,560 --> 01:42:16,000
Speaker 1: more work on what is being taught to our kids.

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Speaker 1: Now Donald Trump, God bless him, he's put the screws

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01:42:20,680 --> 01:42:23,160
Speaker 1: to some of these Ivy League schools and others too.

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01:42:23,720 --> 01:42:26,639
Speaker 1: With you know, okay, you don't want to give both

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01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:30,400
Speaker 1: a little diversity of thought. You love diversity so much.

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01:42:30,880 --> 01:42:33,880
Speaker 1: Got a little diversity of thought on these college campuses.

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Speaker 1: By the way, if you don't, you ain't getting your

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01:42:37,600 --> 01:42:39,960
Speaker 1: federal funds. It's the only way you can do it

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01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:45,280
Speaker 1: with these people because they're arrogant, especially a college professor.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they're obsessed with the sixties, and

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01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:52,000
Speaker 1: that's just a fact they are. And many of that,

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Speaker 1: not many, there aren't many left, but that's where they

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01:42:55,360 --> 01:42:58,800
Speaker 1: kind of got their got their idea of how things

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01:42:58,840 --> 01:43:02,200
Speaker 1: should be. But again, and the other thing too, is

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Speaker 1: if people say this till they're blue in the face,

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01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:08,799
Speaker 1: give me an example, please, please give me an example

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01:43:08,880 --> 01:43:14,240
Speaker 1: of where socialism has worked. Please. But it ain't gonna

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01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:17,400
Speaker 1: happen because they can't do it. Hey, listen, I'm blathering

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Speaker 1: on here and I am getting out of here, but

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Speaker 1: I'll be back on Thursday. Mike Allen's seven hundred WLW