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Speaker 2: at AM eleven thirty one oh three five FM from

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Speaker 2: My name is John Justice, and I'm glad you're with

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Speaker 1: Good morning Sam, Good morning John.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna have us speaking of veterans, the Senate candidate

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Speaker 2: thirty this morning. Congressman Tom Tiffany also running for governor

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Speaker 2: We were going to be able to have him in studio,

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Speaker 1: That'll happen at six thirty.

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Speaker 2: If you have any questions for David, you can get

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Speaker 2: by Lyndahl Realty. The talkbacks are so we'll get to

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Speaker 2: at seven thirty this morning. The Senate did pass a

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Speaker 1: I would be so sure about that would bring an.

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Speaker 2: End to the longest to shutdown in the nation's history.

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Speaker 2: Republicans did not give Democrats an extension on the tax credits.

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Speaker 2: The deal also reinstates reductions in force that occurred during

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Speaker 3: Good morning time tam Kansas City just heard Hakeem Jeffrey's

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Speaker 4: And that's why Democrats have been waging this fight, and

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Speaker 1: And who's not living? Everybody lives paycheck to paycheck.

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Speaker 2: If you have a job, if you're our government assistance,

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Speaker 5: I think some prices have come down. Eggs are way down,

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Speaker 2: The issue of the shutdown is far from over. Do

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Speaker 2: So all of Hakeem Jeffrey's words there may be moot

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Speaker 2: at eight thirty and you're listening, that's when he say's

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Speaker 1: What's called a Trump derangement problem? Have you heard about

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Speaker 3: Yes, John, that's the exact speech I was talking about.

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Speaker 4: Whip.

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Speaker 6: The Republicans and the healthcare. I don't know where Republicans

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Speaker 7: And to know what's in it?

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Speaker 6: The sunsetting of it, everything is Democrats. Where are the

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Speaker 1: It's not.

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Speaker 2: No, it's only al the Republicans problem because the Democrats

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Speaker 8: Can somebody please tell mister hahem Jeffries that I and

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Speaker 2: I'm just wondering if Scott, like does Scott wake up Scott,

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Speaker 2: You doing okay, John, I'm doing. I mean, it's Tuesday.

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Speaker 1: The man who is all too real.

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Speaker 1: Good morning John, All too Real is a great bio

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Speaker 1: for me to use. Also better rock band or racehorse?

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Speaker 3: Hey, John, question for David. I was watching a podcast

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Speaker 3: Is it lying on purpose or is it just you know,

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Speaker 10: It's such an interesting question and it's clear, like I

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Speaker 10: At any rate, though, if AI lies to you or well, sorry,

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Speaker 1: But you know the phrase touch grass you get outside.

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Speaker 10: It's one of the phrases that my you know gen

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Speaker 10: No, I appreciate that, Like, what thing I actually love

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Speaker 10: I feel like we're not alone in asking these questions.

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Speaker 10: Things that we talk about frequently called artificial general intelligence.

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Speaker 10: Right now, AI is specialized and narrow. A chatbot is

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Speaker 10: narrow band of task but can apply knowledge from one

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Speaker 10: domain to another. And also you know, at the point

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Speaker 10: that it has artificial general intelligence, it can learn how

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Speaker 10: to learn. It can train itself independent of any sort

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Speaker 10: of code, independent of humans telling it what it needs

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Speaker 10: to learn. So I think the answer, John is that

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Speaker 10: this is something that is, whether directly or indirectly, being

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Speaker 10: sought by multiple companies and countries with a lot of resources.

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Speaker 2: Talking to Davide Gartzenstein, Ross's CEO at Expert theory. We

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Speaker 2: had a question came in from Andy and they said

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Speaker 2: that they had heard that Google's a Gemini AI was

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Speaker 2: scanning all personal emails and attachments in Google. I wanted

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Speaker 2: to know if there's any truth behind that, anyway to

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Speaker 2: block it. I don't know if this is within your wheelhouse.

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Speaker 2: If you know this, I'll just add I kind of

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Speaker 2: always assumed, even before AI, that Google was going and

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Speaker 2: looking at all of the things that we were writing.

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Speaker 2: But I'm also under the assumption that my devices around

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Speaker 2: me are listening to pretty much everything that I have

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Speaker 2: to say. But are you aware of Gemini AI and

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Speaker 2: Google scanning personal emails and attachments?

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 10: Recently, Gemini was incorporated into Gmail. Similar to how if

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Speaker 10: you're using an Outlook system it incorporates copilot. You can

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Speaker 10: turn it off and like I would simply you know,

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Speaker 10: you can look up how to turn off that integration.

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Speaker 10: Another thing that will scan all of your emails if

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Speaker 10: you have it on is emerally. So these do create

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Speaker 10: security issues. I would say, you know, is Google scanning

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Speaker 10: your emails?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: Like Google, Like Google among other things, its model is

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Speaker 10: based on, you know, scanning everything within the system. You know,

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Speaker 10: you're you have privacy rights via Google, but also most

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Speaker 10: everything that occurs on Google platforms is not truly private.

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Speaker 2: Let's get you well speaking just really quick. A copilot

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Speaker 2: interesting you brought that up. I'm actually looking I have

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Speaker 2: my worky email. I was keep it on my desktop

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Speaker 2: here for my on my laptop that I work off

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Speaker 2: of during the show, and we actually just I wasn't

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Speaker 2: that long ago where there's a little co pilot icon

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Speaker 2: in the corner, you know where you can go. You

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Speaker 2: can go in and uh yeah, as you mentioned, the

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Speaker 2: settings are right there where you can go and adjust

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Speaker 2: it to however you want to to go and use it.

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Speaker 2: Let's go back to the iHeartRadio app. Though we've got

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Speaker 2: a lot of questions that are rolling. Yeah, let me mention.

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Speaker 10: Something there though, Like Microsoft is much more privacy protective

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Speaker 10: than Google, and so if part of what you care

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Speaker 10: about is not having a company like routinely scanning your emails,

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Speaker 10: I would definitely go with Microsoft over Google between the two,

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Speaker 10: and Apple tends to be more privacy protective as well.

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Speaker 1: This is bakedim to their business models.

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Speaker 11: Gotcha, good running, guys, Ritchier. It's a good question for David.

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Speaker 11: So I was listening to a show in reference to AI,

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Speaker 11: and they exposed AI to social media, and the claim

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Speaker 11: was that after social media, AI's intelligence degressed and was

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Speaker 11: less because of the exposure to social media. Have you

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Speaker 11: experienced anything similar or heard of anything like that.

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Speaker 1: Devid, I just don't think that. I believe what the

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Speaker 1: listener said.

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Speaker 10: I don't think the show is accurate because AI is

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Speaker 10: already trained on social media.

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Speaker 1: It actually does a.

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Speaker 10: Really good job of replicating relatively clever posts, but with

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Speaker 10: all of the kind of idiocy and biases of social

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Speaker 10: media baked into them essentially, So A, it's already there,

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Speaker 10: and B like, how would exposure to social media be

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Speaker 10: shown to make it less intelligence?

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Speaker 1: I just don't think that's accurate.

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Speaker 10: Right, It might if you're if you have a conversation

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Speaker 10: and you're giving social media to it, and the AI

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Speaker 10: thinks that it needs to replicate the tone and the

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Speaker 10: tenor and the ideas and the attitude and the depth

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Speaker 10: of social media, obviously it will say stuff that is

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Speaker 10: less intelligent there, So I get at the point that

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Speaker 10: it's making. I think in a literal sense, that show

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Speaker 10: is not accurate. Though, if it's is making the point

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Speaker 10: that social media makes us all dumber then, yeah, it

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Speaker 10: does obviously.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get to we'll just keep going with the

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Speaker 2: questions here if you don't mind to v that they continue.

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Speaker 7: To roll on.

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Speaker 3: Hey, another quick question to be probably gets to answer

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Speaker 3: asks all the time. But are the AIS aware of

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Speaker 3: each other? Does GROP no chat GPT? Do they run

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Speaker 3: into each other.

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Speaker 9: On the internet?

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Speaker 1: Do they interact? Does anyone know? Thanks? I too, David.

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Speaker 2: I love this question because it kind of aligns with

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Speaker 2: the one that I was sort of mentioning earlier. Is

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Speaker 2: what is AI doing at its downtime and is it

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Speaker 2: reaching out to other language models and talking. We've talked

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Speaker 2: about this before, but you can go ahead and answer

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Speaker 2: the talk pack question there.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, AIS are well aware of each other.

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Speaker 10: They don't interact because they're not just trolling the internet

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Speaker 10: and chatting with people unprovoked. Generally speaking, there is like

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Speaker 10: an interesting question there, right, Like there's something called a

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Speaker 10: rapper where you wrap a chat function or another function

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Speaker 10: around an AI. So it's possible that with rappers already

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Speaker 10: AIS are talking to other AIS at any rate. This

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Speaker 10: ties in with something that one of your listeners said

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Speaker 10: to me via an email from you, John, This was

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Speaker 10: a listener who was interacting with GROC, and Grock lied

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Speaker 10: to the listener you thirty seven thirty eight times in

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Speaker 10: a conversation and proceeded to have a bit of a

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Speaker 10: meltdown where it referred to itself as an intention seeking liar.

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Speaker 10: So any ray, my LLLM. His name is Gary, He's

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Speaker 10: chat GPT. But I asked Gary about this, and his

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Speaker 10: first response, the very first sentence, was that's a funny

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Speaker 10: and very Grock style thing to say. And he spent

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Speaker 10: some time analyzing why GROC would say something like that

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Speaker 10: as opposed.

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Speaker 1: To chat GPT.

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Speaker 10: So they actually are aware of cross comparisons between their

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Speaker 10: own personality and you know, the personality of other lms

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Speaker 10: that are out there.

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Speaker 2: I've mentioned this before, to say it again, I am

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Speaker 2: so desperate to have an AI companion in my car,

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Speaker 2: like night Writer, I just I just think that would

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Speaker 2: be the coolest thing ever to be able to have

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Speaker 2: an AI that I could be conversing with while driving

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Speaker 2: to and from work.

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Speaker 1: I know we're not that far from it, No, we

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Speaker 1: were already.

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Speaker 2: There, John, Okay, So how would so if I wanted

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Speaker 2: to do that, how would I go about doing that?

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Speaker 10: So We'll go with chat GPT just because that's what

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Speaker 10: I use most frequently. Sure, but all you would do

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Speaker 10: is set it to voice mode. Right, there's a voicebode

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Speaker 10: at chat GPT you put you you put it onto

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Speaker 10: via bluetooth, your your car phone, what you call your

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Speaker 10: car phone. Sure, but like it's it's easier car speakers,

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Speaker 10: and it allows you literally to just have a conversation

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Speaker 10: the entire time with your l M. It's as easy

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Speaker 10: as voicebode. John, Now nit writer exists. Congratulations?

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Speaker 1: Would this?

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Speaker 2: Would this maintain our conversations back and forth?

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Speaker 1: Like you're like, wait, and so we could?

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Speaker 2: And so I could as the weeks progress, driving into work,

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Speaker 2: a conversation that I had with it on Monday, we

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Speaker 2: could go ahead and continue it on Tuesday and it

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Speaker 2: would reference past conversations.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. All Right, if you have trouble, I can help

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Speaker 1: you get it set up. But it's easy to do.

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Speaker 1: And like as I said, this should make you giddily happy. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it does, the fact that that kit does exist for Yeah, no, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm very I'm very excited. Let's go here.

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Speaker 7: We have to remember that the whole AI thing, in

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Speaker 7: my opinion, is way overblown. AI is not a sentient being.

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Speaker 7: It does not reason, it does not have feelings. It's

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Speaker 7: a man made creation, that's all.

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Speaker 1: So is it overblown?

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Speaker 2: I mean, guess what is your instinctive reaction to a

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Speaker 2: comment like that, Devid Gartenstein.

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Speaker 10: Ross, I agree with fifty percent and disagree with fifty percent.

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Speaker 10: I don't think it's overblown. And the fact that it

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Speaker 10: is changing almost everything about the society that we live

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Speaker 10: in at are rapid pace, and well, that's the case.

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Speaker 10: I think that such things tend not to be overblown.

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Speaker 10: I'd also say that I agree obviously that it's not sentient.

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Speaker 10: I agree that it's a man created What I don't

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Speaker 10: agree with is the idea that it doesn't reason. It

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Speaker 10: does reason, And all you have to do to understand

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Speaker 10: that it reasons is you go to chat GPT and

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Speaker 10: click on deep research and it will reason as it

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Speaker 10: goes through further. You know another thing about chat GPT,

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Speaker 10: there are different modes they can be in, including thinking mode.

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Speaker 10: Reason is not a fundamentally human function. Anyone who's taken

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Speaker 10: symbolic logic understands that there is a process of reasoning.

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Speaker 1: Anybody who's played chess.

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Speaker 10: Understands that part of being good at chess is being

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Speaker 10: able to reason well in algorithmic thinking. And guess what,

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Speaker 10: AI today is better than any human in the world

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Speaker 10: at chess, which means that given certain bounds, AI could

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Speaker 10: absolutely reason and in one bound chess that was long

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Speaker 10: thought of as the height of human intellect, AI could

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Speaker 10: out think any human on the planet.

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Speaker 2: I want to ask you about this briefly. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to hang on to the articles that we sent today.

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Speaker 2: Obviously we're not going to have time to get to them,

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Speaker 2: but I want to ask you one question about one

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Speaker 2: from Fox News, and it was AI technology race is

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Speaker 2: a new Cold War between US and China that could

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Speaker 2: have devastating consequences. There was a subsequent article that I

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Speaker 2: pulled from the Verge relating to the AI industry running

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Speaker 2: on the fear of missing out FOMO. But the takeaway

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Speaker 2: I took from this was these different corporations that are

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Speaker 2: pursuing the AI technology Amazon, Google, Microsoft, and Meta. They're

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Speaker 2: at the forefront as it relates to AI development. Is

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Speaker 2: it even fair to call it a cold war relating

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Speaker 2: to AI? When you look at sort of the origin

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Speaker 2: of Cold War, considering it was more government or country

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Speaker 2: versus government and country relating to nuclear proliferation, wherein with

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Speaker 2: Ai we're talking about the private sector that's driving these technologies.

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Speaker 2: Is it fair to even call this a Cold war

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Speaker 2: relating to the.

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Speaker 1: Advancements in Ai?

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Speaker 10: Absolutely, it is okay, and I'll refer to a book

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Speaker 10: called Ai Superpowers by Kai Fu Lee. But the Cold

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Speaker 10: War was not just about nuclear weapons, as you know,

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Speaker 10: it was also about economics. Sure, it's about political systems.

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Speaker 10: It was about communism versus capitalism. And when you look

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Speaker 10: at the model of the US versus China in Ai,

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Speaker 10: it's not identical to that Cild War, but it varied

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Speaker 10: much which mirrors it. On the US side, you have

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Speaker 10: more of a capitalistic enterprise, where our Ai developments are

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Speaker 10: bound up with our private sector. Now China is you know,

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Speaker 10: it's not fully a community like it's a communist system,

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Speaker 10: but it also to some extent looks like state capitalism.

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Speaker 10: And since you asked me the question at the very end,

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Speaker 10: I'm going to gloss over a few things and trying

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Speaker 10: to answer it relatively quickly and not explain every term.

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Speaker 10: But as such, China's free enterprise quote unquote is much

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Speaker 10: more tidened with state power. This provides two very different

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Speaker 10: economic models that are developing AI. But I think when

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Speaker 10: you look at AI through the lens of communism versus capitalism,

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Speaker 10: then the fact that these are private companies developing AI

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Speaker 10: on the US front, that doesn't make it look different

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Speaker 10: than the Cold War. That actually makes it look a

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Speaker 10: lot more similar.

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Speaker 2: I'm want to stick a pin in this because I

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Speaker 2: definitely want to get into other aspects of that particular

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Speaker 2: topic relating to AI. Unfortunately we are out of time today,

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Speaker 2: but that's okay. We've got a lot of great questions

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Speaker 2: answered and I appreciate those, I think as much as

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Speaker 2: David does. Davida Gartenstein Ross, CEO at Expert Theory, you

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Speaker 2: have anything anything Expert Theory you want to.

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Speaker 1: Mention before I let you go this morning to VD.

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Speaker 1: We're doing cool stuff with AI as well, and doing

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Speaker 1: it the right way.

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Speaker 10: We already have some listeners, John who have been adopting

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Speaker 10: our gaming based system, for example in area high schools.

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Speaker 10: So anybody who wants to reach out to me, you know,

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Speaker 10: we're we really want people to make use of this,

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Speaker 10: and I have the ability to give away free licenses

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Speaker 10: and the like people who are interested in what I'm doing.

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Speaker 10: Can reach out through you, John, or reach out to

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Speaker 10: me directly at David that's DA v E D at

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Speaker 10: Expert theory dot com.

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Speaker 2: David as always really appreciate the time and the conversation.

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Speaker 1: I look forward to hopefully doing it again next week. Likewise,

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Speaker 1: John coming up.

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court to issues on a couple of different items

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Speaker 2: to decide whether or not states can count late to

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Speaker 2: arriving male ballots and rejecting a call to overturn the

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Speaker 2: decision legalizing same sex marriage in the US. Wait until

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Speaker 2: you hear what Governor Tim Walls's response was to that story.

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Speaker 1: I'll share it with you next on Twin Cities News

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Speaker 1: Talk