1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:04,560 Speaker 1: Mike, here's the serious question of the day. Jiff, Peter 2 00:00:04,720 --> 00:00:09,840 Speaker 1: Pan or Skippy. 3 00:00:11,320 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: I think in that order, Jeff, Peter Pan, and Skippy. 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 3: I don't ever recall having Peter Pan, at least growing up, 5 00:00:21,239 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 3: so it's probably Jiff, then Skippy it Peter. 6 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: I just like peanut butter on water crackers, peanut butter on. 7 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 3: Water crackers, crunch You're smooth, oh, smooth, crunchy, crunchy peter butter. 8 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:42,520 Speaker 4: That's then it's no longer peanut butter. It's just some 9 00:00:42,560 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 4: sort of butter with nuts in it. Don't you eat peanuts? 10 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 4: Don't just eat peanuts? 11 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: Do you know which one was invented first? 12 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 2: No? I don't. 13 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: I don't creamy. 14 00:00:53,880 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 3: Really, they actually make the creamy and then they add 15 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 3: chunks of peanuts to it. 16 00:00:58,160 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 2: And who came up that stupid idea? 17 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: Because it's delicious? 18 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: Why is it delicious? 19 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:05,320 Speaker 3: Because it's the best way to have peanut butter, because 20 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 3: you get the smooth of the creamy peanut butter, but 21 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 3: then you also get the crunch of the peanuts, which 22 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: is what it's supposed to be peanut butter. 23 00:01:14,640 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 4: When you put butter in your toast, do you look 24 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 4: for clumps of you know, cream that is, you know, 25 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 4: or something that do you look for something crunching on 26 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 4: your buttered toast or butter biscuit? 27 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: Huh do you. 28 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: That's the toast portion of it. 29 00:01:28,240 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: Well, that's the cracker portion of it, you dumb ass. 30 00:01:30,680 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: That's you don't just get a spoonful living normal. 31 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 4: No fact that it wasn't last night. Yes, it was 32 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:43,640 Speaker 4: last night because I had I told you had the 33 00:01:43,640 --> 00:01:46,160 Speaker 4: big lunch yesterday. Yes, yeah, so it was last night. 34 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. Peanut butter crackers. Yeah, water crackers. 35 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 4: I love water crackers, but you gotta buy the you 36 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,480 Speaker 4: have to buy the generic brand because the cars table 37 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 4: water crackers stupidly expensive. 38 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:08,239 Speaker 2: They're maybe in the same plant, probably good gree. 39 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 4: There's a scene that, probably I don't know, every few 40 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 4: years plays out in American cities, including in our own city. 41 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: Writer in Denver too. 42 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:21,200 Speaker 4: Some stupid progressive politician that's frustrated with you know, crime stats, 43 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 4: and they got political pressure. 44 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 2: They reach for a theory, any theory they. 45 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 4: Cannot find at all that explains why the popo, why 46 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 4: the cops are the problem rather than the people that 47 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 4: are committing the crimes. Welcome to Mayor Brandon Johnson of Chicago, 48 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 4: who has now written that scene I just described in 49 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 4: Neon Lights, embracing a philosophy that is so genuinely and 50 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 4: precisely backass word that it deserves a name. I'll see 51 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 4: you what it is. You've heard of the broken windows theory. 52 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 4: Let me give you what his theory is. They're reverse 53 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 4: broken windows policing. And I want you to know why 54 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 4: this fits understanding the original theory that Johnson is now inverting, 55 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:19,760 Speaker 4: and why his inversion is a blueprint for chaos. Mike Johnson, 56 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 4: I'm sure you're going to come up with the two. 57 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,840 Speaker 4: Here's the history. In nineteen eighty two, James Q. Wilson 58 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 4: and George Kelling, two criminologists, published a landmark article in 59 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:37,080 Speaker 4: The Atlantic magazine simply called Broken Windows. The central metaphor 60 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 4: was elegant in its simplicity. If a broken window in 61 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,400 Speaker 4: the building gets unrepaired, that signals to everybody, residents, somebody 62 00:03:44,480 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 4: just walking by, and of course criminals that nobody's watching 63 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 4: and nobody cares. The building is fair game. So soon 64 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 4: you know, somebody will break out another window, and then 65 00:03:56,200 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 4: after that comes to graffiti, and then the loitering, and 66 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 4: then the drug dealing, and then the violence. Their theory 67 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 4: held that disorder is not merely a symptom of a 68 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 4: bad neighborhood. It is a cause of further bad behavior 69 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 4: in a neighborhood. Small signs of lawlessness left unchecked create 70 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 4: an environment in which serious criminals understand there are no 71 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 4: consequences to their actions, so they act accordingly. The policy 72 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 4: implication flowed naturally, you know, Mayor Julian. Well, well it's 73 00:04:34,640 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 4: Julian in just a minute. But the policy implication flows naturally. 74 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:43,159 Speaker 4: You crack down on the small stuff before it cascades 75 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 4: into the large size. You do this with your kids. 76 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 4: You know, your kids steals, you know, a pack of 77 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 4: bubblegum when you at the grocery store. You stop it 78 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:55,920 Speaker 4: right there. You never let it go further. Your child lives, 79 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:57,719 Speaker 4: so you stop it right there. You don't let it 80 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:05,799 Speaker 4: go any further. Horse laws against vandalism, public intoxication, fair evasion, 81 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 4: aggressive panhandling, public urination. And you know, the whole time 82 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:11,920 Speaker 4: I'm reading this liss that I made out here, I'm thinking, 83 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 4: sounds like downtown Denver, doesn't it. Oh that's springtime, sounds 84 00:05:16,680 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 4: just exactly like downtown Denver. A community that enforces its 85 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 4: norms and disorder will not be tolerated here. 86 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:32,159 Speaker 1: Except why do they put sugar in peanut butter. There's 87 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:37,239 Speaker 1: no need for that, and it's bad for our healths, And. 88 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:40,080 Speaker 4: That's why I don't buy. I buy the no sugar added. 89 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:43,599 Speaker 4: In fact, if you look at the and I know 90 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:48,679 Speaker 4: we're being snobs here because we've only mentioned brand names, 91 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 4: not generic names. I don't know that I've ever done 92 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 4: it generic peanut butter. Is there a that big of 93 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:57,919 Speaker 4: a price difference? 94 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's the Kroger brands that every thing. 95 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 4: But eh, yeah, yeah, I do try to get the 96 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:07,159 Speaker 4: lower sugar. 97 00:06:07,400 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 3: But here we are being super snobs about the peanut butter. 98 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,880 Speaker 3: But about the water crackers. Now, you can be cheap 99 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:14,600 Speaker 3: with those lads. 100 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 4: Well, if you gotta go cheap with the water crackers, 101 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,559 Speaker 4: because they taste exactly the same as the higher price 102 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,960 Speaker 4: water crackers, the youma as well just stick with the 103 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 4: you know, the peanut butter. 104 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,520 Speaker 2: You want the high quality peanut butter on your water. 105 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 3: Crass, exactly, spend a little bit more on the main ingredient, 106 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 3: which is the peanut butter. 107 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 4: Right, the crackers, just the delivery system, right, like the 108 00:06:34,600 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 4: taco shell. You all mixing foods the same. It just 109 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 4: had different delivery systems. You got a tortilla, you gotta 110 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 4: taco shell, you gotta toastot. It's just just different delivery systems. 111 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,479 Speaker 2: That's all it is. Same thing. Don't blame me, go 112 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 2: to Taco Bell. Just go to tuckle Bell. 113 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 4: Talking about the broken windows theory, We're gonna apply this 114 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 4: to Brandon Johnson, the mayor of Chicago. So the broken 115 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 4: windows theory, essentially you got to take care of the 116 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,719 Speaker 4: small stuff because when you leave the broken window there, 117 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:04,279 Speaker 4: somebody's going to break the next window in the building. 118 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 4: Then it turns into graffiti, and then it turns into loitering, 119 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:08,880 Speaker 4: and then it turns into drug dealing, and then it 120 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 4: turns into crime. Just gets worse, worse and worse, and 121 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:20,600 Speaker 4: that theory nineteen eighty two remained largely academic until America's 122 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 4: major ruly, Judyan Rudy Giuliani got elected in New York 123 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 4: City and he and Willie Browdon William Brown the Commissioner, 124 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 4: implemented the broken windows policy and aggressively policed and comprehensively 125 00:07:42,240 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 4: started cracking down on crime everywhere in the City, and 126 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 4: the results were historic, truly historic. Between nineteen ninety and 127 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 4: two thousand, murders in New York City fell from more 128 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 4: than twenty two hundred dollars twenty two hundred dollars to 129 00:07:55,120 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 4: twenty two hundred per year two hundred seven hundred robbery 130 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 4: assaults serious crime. They all dropped dramatically. New York actually 131 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 4: went from the crime capital of the country to one 132 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 4: of the safest cities in the entire world, and it 133 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 4: did so during the very period that broken windows policing 134 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 4: was in full effect. Now, I'm not going to claim 135 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:22,000 Speaker 4: that broken windows alone deserves all the credit, and that's 136 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 4: a debate that criminalists can have all day long. 137 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:24,560 Speaker 2: I don't care. 138 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 4: But no serious analysts disputes that there was visible, consistent 139 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 4: order maintenance policing a central component of one of the 140 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 4: most dramatic urban crime turnarounds in American history. So you 141 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 4: got Reed Giuliani, and then comes along to Mayor Brandon 142 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:46,319 Speaker 4: Johnson of Chicago, who as who has literally turned this 143 00:08:46,559 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 4: framework on its head. Last September, when a reporter asked 144 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,400 Speaker 4: the mayor what his administration was offering the people of 145 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 4: Chicago to make them feel safe, he did not talk 146 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 4: about enforcement strategy. He talked about detectives' clearance rates or 147 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 4: targeted deployment. And then he said this, and I quote, 148 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 4: jails and incarceration and law enforcement is a sickness that 149 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 4: has not led to safe communities. 150 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 2: And so he. 151 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 4: Vowed to eradicate jails and encarcement and law enforcement because 152 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:32,319 Speaker 4: that's a sickness. He literally vowed to eliminate, to eradicate 153 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 4: the sickness. The mayor of Chicago, one of the most 154 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 4: violent major cities in the country, has declared that the 155 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:44,400 Speaker 4: apparatus of law enforcement itself is a disease, not a tool, 156 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 4: not an imperfect but necessary institution. It is a disease 157 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:53,440 Speaker 4: and one that we ought to eradicate. That's why I 158 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,720 Speaker 4: say this is the reverse broken windows theory in its 159 00:09:56,760 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 4: purest form. Where the original theory are gus that tolerating 160 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 4: small disorders invites larger disorders. Mayor Johnson's theory are usually 161 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 4: reversed that responding to crime, arresting, prosecuting, incarcerating criminals is 162 00:10:11,760 --> 00:10:16,559 Speaker 4: itself the source of the harm. So the cure, according 163 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 4: to him, is to stop treating the symptoms, release the pressure, 164 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 4: valve invest mean spend in social programs, mental health services, 165 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 4: youth employment, and in trust that communities free from what 166 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:36,319 Speaker 4: he calls the addiction of jails and incarceration will heal thyself. 167 00:10:38,280 --> 00:10:44,920 Speaker 4: It's an appealing idea if you've never actually governed, and 168 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,480 Speaker 4: this is going to make things catastrophically worse. The broken 169 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 4: windows theory rests on a core psychological insight. Human behavior 170 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,640 Speaker 4: is heavily conditioned by social signals. When people see that 171 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 4: violations have consequences, even in minor vae violation, they internalize 172 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 4: those consequences as a constraint on their otherwise outline behavior. 173 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 4: When they see the violations have no consequences, well, they 174 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 4: update their prior accordingly, and they update the behavior, and 175 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 4: the behavior shifts to work greater disorder. That is not ideology. 176 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 4: That is social psychology that has decades of empirical science 177 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 4: behind it. Mayor Johnson's approach flips that signal completely. 178 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 5: Michael, the fastest White Trump can get rid of all 179 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,839 Speaker 5: the illegals in this country is to raise the transfer 180 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,960 Speaker 5: a fee for money going out of the country to 181 00:11:39,160 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 5: forty five percent. He would not need ice. They'd all 182 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 5: leave because they couldn't afford to work here. And send 183 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,280 Speaker 5: money back to whatever part of the world they're sending 184 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 5: it to. 185 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,880 Speaker 1: Love the show. Hope you put this on the air. 186 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: Take care. 187 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:58,080 Speaker 4: Well, we put it on the show because you said 188 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:03,439 Speaker 4: you love the show. I wish that were true. I 189 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 4: don't know why Dragon put that one on there, but remittances. 190 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 4: I couldn't think of the word for it, sec of remittances, 191 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,320 Speaker 4: I guess you have to be well. Trump couldn't do it. 192 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:15,960 Speaker 4: I don't think it taken Act of Congress to do it. 193 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 4: So tax the remittances at I don't know what they're 194 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,120 Speaker 4: taxed at now, or if they're taxed at all. Maybe 195 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 4: they're't tax at all. Why not go up to fifty percent, 196 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 4: or like the original income tax, make it ninety percent. 197 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 2: Do that. 198 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:36,599 Speaker 4: Back to the broken windows theory and Mayor Johnson, the 199 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:43,400 Speaker 4: broken windows approach works because low level enforcement creates a 200 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 4: contact point. It's an opportunity to identify people that one 201 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 4: had outstanding warrants. You can get illegal weapons off the street, 202 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 4: and you actually establish a police presence in neighborhoods, and 203 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 4: that in turn signals active. When you remove those contact 204 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 4: points or you redirect resources away from proactive law enforcement, 205 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,960 Speaker 4: you lose more than just the minor arrests. You lose 206 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 4: all the intel that those arrests generate. You lose the 207 00:13:15,840 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 4: credibility that a police presence creates and the deterrence effect 208 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 4: that flows from both of those. 209 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: And then Johnson has the. 210 00:13:26,600 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 4: Audacity to point to murder stats from decades ago to 211 00:13:31,600 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 4: argue that traditional policing has failed. 212 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 2: Now, the argument is. 213 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 4: The selective use of data that's going to collapse when 214 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 4: we scrutinize it. The city's long term decline in crime 215 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:47,000 Speaker 4: across the nineteen nineties and two thousands, that very period 216 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 4: that Johnson characterizes as plagued by the sickness of incarceration 217 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 4: came during an era of increased and proactive policing. The 218 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 4: crime spike in Chicago came after the progressive reforms began 219 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 4: pulling back on that approach after Morale, and the Chicago 220 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:15,200 Speaker 4: PD cratered after officers began engaging in what the criminologists 221 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 4: referred to as d policing, doing less, going out less, 222 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 4: taking fewer risks in an environment of political hostility toward 223 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 4: law enforcement. The chronology alone cares apart Mayor Johnson's narrative, 224 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:35,680 Speaker 4: but there's also the compounding problem what criminologists call social contagion. 225 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:37,840 Speaker 4: We've talked about social Oh, I'm not sure we functioned 226 00:14:37,880 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 4: over here in Koi before, but we talked about social 227 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:45,120 Speaker 4: contagent a lot during COVID. The broken windows thesis is 228 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 4: fundamentally a theory about signals and norms. If a mayor 229 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 4: publicy declares that law enforcement is a disease, you're not 230 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 4: just failing to enforce order. He's actively signaling disorder from 231 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:04,280 Speaker 4: the highest platform in that city. He is telling every 232 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:08,040 Speaker 4: nervous business owner, every family weighing whether to stay in 233 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,720 Speaker 4: the city or leave, and every potential criminal who's calculating 234 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 4: the risk that the city's governance has cited against the 235 00:15:16,240 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 4: enforcement of the consequences. That signal reverberates through the entire community, 236 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:23,800 Speaker 4: and it does so in ways that no amount of 237 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:28,720 Speaker 4: youth employment programs, social welfare programs, or anything else can counteract. 238 00:15:29,720 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 4: It's the political theology of failure, the absolute loop. It's 239 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 4: the dragon, it's the theater. It's truly abandoning and doing 240 00:15:43,440 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 4: the reverse of the windows theory. Give him example, here's 241 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 4: the mayor talking about Sheridan Gorman, the woman who is 242 00:15:54,960 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 4: murdered by an illegal alien shot in the back, in 243 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 4: the neck or head blown off. 244 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 6: Did you represented rescheduling this given the. 245 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 4: Did you the reporter's questions hard to hear, but did 246 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 4: you did you consider rescheduling this event? Because this is 247 00:16:17,280 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 4: where he's standing in front of the snow removal truck 248 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 4: with the sign painted across the side that it says 249 00:16:25,120 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 4: abolish ice with a snow shovel. The word ice looks 250 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 4: like the word ice. You might see it on an ice machine, 251 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:36,880 Speaker 4: shoving it to the side. Did you consider postponing this 252 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 4: in light of shared in Gorman's tragedy. 253 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 6: I am not documented, as I've said before, to the 254 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:51,960 Speaker 6: sadly shared. 255 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 2: A terrible tragedy, a tragedy. 256 00:16:57,440 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 4: It was a murder by someone who shouldn't have been here, 257 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 4: and he's an answered tragedy. 258 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 7: And what I've said from the very beginning, I'm going 259 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,159 Speaker 7: to continue to use every single tool that's available to me. 260 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,400 Speaker 1: To protect the residents of the city of Chicago. 261 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 4: What are those tools? Social welfare programs and abolishing ice, 262 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 4: decreasing law enforcement presence, reversing and undoing the broken windows theory. 263 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:32,040 Speaker 7: And this tragedy is not going to deter us from 264 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 7: our work. In fact, it's going to challenge us all 265 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:38,280 Speaker 7: to double down on our efforts to ensure that we 266 00:17:38,320 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 7: are protecting every single individual across the neighborhoods. 267 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 4: Now, this is such a fascinating sound bite to me 268 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:49,640 Speaker 4: on so many levels. He is standing in front of 269 00:17:49,720 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 4: a snowplow that says, abolish ice, the very law enforcement 270 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 4: that if they were capable of doing their job, if 271 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 4: Chicago and Illinois were not sanctuary cities and states, respectively, 272 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 4: that tragedy he calls that murder, that cold blooded murder, 273 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:13,879 Speaker 4: could have been prevented, would not have occurred, would not 274 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:18,600 Speaker 4: have occurred. Now, yes, other murders are going to occur. 275 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 4: We'll do a Chicago Weekend crime report on Monday, But 276 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 4: think of the language he's using. Oh, we're going to 277 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:29,520 Speaker 4: continue to serve the people, do what's need to provide 278 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:31,920 Speaker 4: them the programs, but nothing about law enforcement. 279 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 2: It's all bull crap. 280 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:38,399 Speaker 4: It's all total utter bull crap that he's spewing. And 281 00:18:38,440 --> 00:18:41,040 Speaker 4: the sad part is the media just lets it fly. 282 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 4: They just they take it without challenging it what soever. 283 00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 4: This guy is just absolutely amazing, and so all of. 284 00:18:54,359 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 7: The residents who participated in our snowflowd naming contests keeps 285 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,760 Speaker 7: me in every way, in any way that you can. 286 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:09,760 Speaker 4: What's he asking him to do? He's asking these victims, 287 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:14,680 Speaker 4: his own citizens, to speak up. But do you think 288 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 4: there he's asking him to speak up for more and 289 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 4: stricter law enforcement, or for abolishing eyes. 290 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,399 Speaker 7: I look forward to meeting with the Chicago ones who 291 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,439 Speaker 7: submitted the winning names, and I look forward to seeing 292 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 7: our cities cry our spirit and even yes, our humor 293 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 7: represent us again next year. 294 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 4: And so the naming of a snowplow abolish eyes to 295 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:47,639 Speaker 4: him is funny. Funny at the time that in an 296 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 4: innocent college student at a university in his own city 297 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 4: is murdered in the back. By the way, the alderman 298 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:56,920 Speaker 4: who said, you know that she's happened to be in 299 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 4: the wrong place at the wrong time has since come out, 300 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 4: of course she has and said, well, that's not what 301 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 4: I really a man. That probably was inappropriate. Of course 302 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,920 Speaker 4: it was inappropriate. You should have thought about it before 303 00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 4: you said. 304 00:20:08,359 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 6: It was that. 305 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 7: Take a moment too, I guess, take in all that 306 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 7: you all didn't been wide his sword. 307 00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 1: This moment is finally here. It's most entries abolish ice Wow. 308 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 4: Now he he's been attempting to wrap his philosophy in 309 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 4: the language of civil rights, invoking Martin Luther King Junior's 310 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 4: criticism of militarism. He's using as a rhetorical shield. But 311 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 4: this is a slide of hand. Doctor King was criticizing 312 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 4: military adventurism abroad and the social costs of a war economy. 313 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:52,760 Speaker 4: He wasn't arguing that Chicago should stop arresting the man 314 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:56,359 Speaker 4: with seventy prior arrest who committed the violent crime that 315 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 4: prompted the mayor's outburst in the first place. When you 316 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:02,120 Speaker 4: graft Martin Luther King's words onto a theory of non 317 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 4: enforcement in one of America's most violent cities, that's not 318 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:13,119 Speaker 4: civil rights philosophy. Is the appropriate is the misappropriation of 319 00:21:13,320 --> 00:21:17,800 Speaker 4: moral authority to justify the abdication of civic responsibility. And 320 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 4: the people most harmed by Johnson's philosophy, they're not in 321 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,320 Speaker 4: the affluent neighborhoods on Chicago's North Side, the words that 322 00:21:24,560 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 4: already feel relatively insulated from the violence, and so they 323 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 4: can afford to indulge in progressive policy theories as some 324 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,879 Speaker 4: sort of intellectual exercise, which is what progressives tend to 325 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 4: do anyway makes them feel good. The people most harmed 326 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 4: are the residents of the South and the West Side, 327 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 4: the black and brown communities that Johnson says he's out 328 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 4: there championing, who live closest to the violence, who pay 329 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 4: the heaviest price when the disorder is allowed to metastasize. 330 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 2: When the mayor. 331 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 4: Tells those communities that law enforcement is a sickness, he 332 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,240 Speaker 4: is not liberating them from a pressure. He has abandoned 333 00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 4: them so they can be oppressed by those criminals. The 334 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 4: broken windows theory properly applied, it's about something deeper than 335 00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 4: arresting somebody jumping a turnstile the on the loop. It's 336 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:23,560 Speaker 4: about the fundamental social compact between a municipality of any 337 00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:29,280 Speaker 4: size and the residents in that city. The social compact 338 00:22:29,800 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 4: is pretty fundamental. A city will not tolerate disorder. If 339 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 4: there are violations, there will be consequences, and you are 340 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:46,400 Speaker 4: not alone in a lawless environment. Think of those three things. 341 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 4: People like Brandon Johnson or Mike Johnston in Denver, or 342 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 4: Zophram in New York, any of these big city, blue 343 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 4: city sanctuary city mayors have all repudiated that basic social 344 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:10,520 Speaker 4: compact in the most public way imaginable. None of them 345 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,040 Speaker 4: have proposed a theory that is merely different from broken 346 00:23:14,040 --> 00:23:19,639 Speaker 4: windows policing. They are all proposing a precise logical inversion, 347 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 4: and then every insight from the original theory predicts exactly 348 00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 4: what that kind of inversion will produce. Not save for 349 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:34,199 Speaker 4: streets not healed, communities not eradicated sickness, you'll get more 350 00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:38,040 Speaker 4: broken windows, more disorder, more of the violence he claims 351 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:41,439 Speaker 4: to abhor, and all falls hardest on the people can 352 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 4: least afford to absorb it. The mayor of Chicago has 353 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,919 Speaker 4: decided to care for crime is to stop treating crime 354 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,640 Speaker 4: as a problem, and only if to just look back 355 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 4: on history, including the history of his own city, well 356 00:23:56,920 --> 00:24:00,320 Speaker 4: history of this city. It all has a very clear 357 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:05,399 Speaker 4: verdict on that approach. It does not work. It will 358 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 4: not work. And it's a great example of how they 359 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,000 Speaker 4: all want to adopt feel good policies if they can 360 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:16,399 Speaker 4: claim that, oh, look, we really care about you. They 361 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 4: don't care about you. They don't care about you at all. 362 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 4: Two cases out of Seattle proved my point. Two dead women, 363 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:29,520 Speaker 4: one eighty years old, one thirty and eight months pregnant, 364 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,399 Speaker 4: thirty four and eight months pregnant, two killers with open 365 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 4: and shut evidence against them, in a criminal justice system 366 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 4: that more than a year after the first murder, nearly 367 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:43,679 Speaker 4: three years after the second murder, still has not managed 368 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 4: to put either man on trial or actually, in one case, 369 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 4: even managed to get a verdict. That means what the 370 00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 4: word verdict is supposed to mean. Seattle, King County, Washington. 371 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 4: It is a welcoming sign to the end product of 372 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 4: fifty years of deliberate policy choices like Johnston is making 373 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 4: in Chicago. On June thirteenth, Back in twenty twenty three, 374 00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 4: Cordell Goosby approached a car stopped at a red light 375 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 4: in downtown Seattle open fire in a Kwan, thirty four 376 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 4: years old and eight months pregnant, was killed. Her husband, 377 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 4: Son Kwang, was shot in the arm, but he survived. 378 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,960 Speaker 4: Their unborn daughter, whom the couple had already named Velyn, 379 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,760 Speaker 4: died with her mother. Goosby stated the scene and was arrested. 380 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:30,719 Speaker 4: He had no prior cases in King County, he had 381 00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 4: never met these people before in his life, and on 382 00:25:32,680 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 4: March twenty, twenty twenty six, three years after the shooting, 383 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,880 Speaker 4: he was found not guilty by reason of insanity. Now 384 00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 4: he had entered the plea of not guilty reason insanity. 385 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 4: Following evaluations by both the defense and the prosecution, who 386 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,000 Speaker 4: reached the same conclusion about his mind estate at the 387 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 4: time of the shooting, both came to same conclusion that he. 388 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 2: Was insane at the time of the crime. 389 00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 4: You walk up to a car and just point blank 390 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 4: murder a pregnant woman and try to murder her husband. Two. 391 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:06,439 Speaker 4: I would say, yeah, yep, you're insane, totally insane. But 392 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 4: does that mean that you can't be found guilty, Well, 393 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 4: that she can't be institutionalized. And then there's a matter 394 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 4: of Evelyn the other one. Prosecutor did not file homicide 395 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 4: charge for the unborn child. Under Washington law, a victim 396 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 4: in a homicide case must be born alive. Because the 397 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 4: baby was not born alive, the prosecutor said they could 398 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 4: not pursue. 399 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 2: A murder charge. 400 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 4: So a child with a name full near term killed 401 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 4: by the same bullet, and under Washington state law, she 402 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 4: doesn't count. One act of mass murder becomes technically one 403 00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:44,479 Speaker 4: homicide and one attempted homicide. Ina Kwan was carrying a 404 00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 4: baby girl, and the state of Washington has decided that 405 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 4: baby Girl was not a person. At least thirty five 406 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,439 Speaker 4: other states have laws that recognize that an unborn child 407 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 4: can be a victim in a murder case, but Washington's. 408 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 2: Not one of them. And then there's the second case. 409 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 4: Jock mad Kay Haynes charged with murder in the first degree, 410 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 4: assaulting the second degree, animal cruelty in the first degree 411 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 4: for the death of Ruth Dalton August twenty twenty four. 412 00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 4: On that morning, Dalton had just gathered her clients dogs 413 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 4: to take him on a morning walk. She had pulled 414 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,399 Speaker 4: over her car when a man approached her vehicle, opened 415 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:22,719 Speaker 4: the door, got inside the Carjacker this job, mad Haynes 416 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 4: pushed Dalton out of her car and ran her over. 417 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:28,000 Speaker 4: The by senders tried to help her, injuries were too severe. 418 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 4: She died at the scene. He then drove to a park, 419 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 4: stabbed the dog, and left his body in recycling bin. 420 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,080 Speaker 4: The evidence was overwhelming. He had a bloody life and 421 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:40,240 Speaker 4: keys of the car. His fingerprints were found on her phone. 422 00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 4: Seattle Police Deputy Chief Baby said Haines had eight eight 423 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 4: prior felony convictions and the history of mental health concerns. Haines, 424 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:56,000 Speaker 4: just sixteen years old, had driven drunken recklessly in Sattle's 425 00:27:56,040 --> 00:28:00,919 Speaker 4: Capitol Hill neighborhood since nineteen ninety three. He drove on 426 00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 4: to the sidewalk to get around car stop at a 427 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 4: red light, then blew through the intersection, hitting Eric Burgess 428 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:08,399 Speaker 4: car head on the driver's side. 429 00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 2: Killing him. 430 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:12,560 Speaker 4: That was murder number one, murder after murder, after murder. 431 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 4: There's after his rest. He was initially found in competent 432 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 4: to stand trial. After three months of treatment at a hospital, 433 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 4: he was determined to competence stand trial, but then in 434 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 4: April of last year, the competency evaluations changed back to incompetent. 435 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 2: So he is he's not, he is he's not. 436 00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 4: As of right now, there is no further progress in 437 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 4: the court trial process than there was a year ago. 438 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,200 Speaker 4: Ruth Dalton has a memorial bench. 439 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 2: John N. 440 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 4: Haynes, he got a psychiatric hospital room. It's the mechanics 441 00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 4: of the revolving door. The advocates, the academics, and the 442 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 4: editorial boards, the progressive prosecutors will tell you this that 443 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 4: these cases represent a mental health system that is underfunded, overwhelmed, 444 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 4: and under resource and they are not entirely wrong but 445 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 4: they are deeply and strategically incomplete, because the question isn't 446 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 4: just why can't we treat these people, it's actually why 447 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 4: are they on the streets in the first place. Go 448 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,240 Speaker 4: back to the broken windows theory. This is an example 449 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 4: of letting the broken window in that building deteriorate. You 450 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 4: just let the crazy people stay on the street because well, 451 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 4: it's not progressive to institutionalize them. The current standard in Washington, 452 00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 4: Washington State is that a person may be involuntarily committed 453 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 4: only if they are demonstrably dangerous to themselves or others, 454 00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 4: or they're gravely disabled. So you got to either have 455 00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 4: a police officer or a mental health professional who could 456 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,560 Speaker 4: involuntarily detain a person up to seventy two hours and 457 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 4: be locked in for treatment for seventy two hours. After that, 458 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 4: the burden of proof grows so heavy and the legal 459 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 4: obstacles multiply. The ideology behind all of this is all 460 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,640 Speaker 4: progressing is of the idea that, oh, we can want 461 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 4: to put these people in an institution. They're just mentally ill. 462 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 4: I don't want mentally ill people running around on the streets. 463 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 4: We could probably just throwing this out. We could probably 464 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:26,560 Speaker 4: take all of the fraud money. Do we have a Minnesota, Colorado, California, 465 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,040 Speaker 4: everywhere else? And if the problem truly is underfunding of 466 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 4: mental health and the lack of funding to institutionalize these people, 467 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,600 Speaker 4: I may have just found that money for you. But 468 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:40,959 Speaker 4: it's not a money problem. You know that, and I 469 00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 4: know that the problem or progressive politics, progressive politics that say, oh, 470 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 4: we have to feel sorry for them, and we've got 471 00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 4: to somehow mainstream them. Yeah, well, mainstream them somewhere else.