1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Broncos back at practice today getting set for the Green 2 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:05,960 Speaker 1: Bay Packers, and we mentioned the practice report for the Broncos. 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: The one negative, I guess would be Pat Bryan's still 4 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:12,840 Speaker 1: dealing with that hamstring injury. Did not practice today though 5 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: he you know, he played. He had a hamstring last 6 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: week and he still played ended up playing in the game. 7 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 2: It was interesting. 8 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 1: I was listening to a national podcast today and they 9 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,760 Speaker 1: were talking about AFC X factors for all the playoff teams, 10 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,200 Speaker 1: and remarkably, the guy they brought up was Pat Bryant 11 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: is the name for them that would be sort of 12 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: an X factor for the Broncos here in the postseason. 13 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: I before I even listened to it, I started rolling 14 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: through my head on who that might be. I was like, 15 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:40,720 Speaker 1: you know, Archie Harvey might make some sense since he's 16 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:44,159 Speaker 1: going to be the starting running back. Maybe that's too obvious, whatever, 17 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,239 Speaker 1: But the fact that they said Pat Bryant Dave was 18 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: kind of surprising to me. But he's been very good. 19 00:00:50,320 --> 00:00:54,400 Speaker 3: I've really enjoyed sort of seeing his progress during the 20 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 3: during the season. Again, and I've said it, I've said 21 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 3: it on broadcast. He's got a toughness to him. He's 22 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 3: got an ability with strong hands to make contested catches, 23 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 3: and the majority of footballs thrown in the league are 24 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 3: still contested catches. Every now and then, you're gonna run 25 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 3: by somebody and you're going to catch a deep ball, 26 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:19,119 Speaker 3: or you're gonna have somebody blow coverage your wide open 27 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,120 Speaker 3: over the middle, But the majority catches, you're gonna have 28 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 3: a body close to you or on you, and you 29 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 3: have to find a way from a physicality standpoint to 30 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:30,680 Speaker 3: deal with that and still make the catch. 31 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 2: He'll block. 32 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 3: I think he's been exactly as he was advertised coming. 33 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 2: Out of Illinois when the Broncos drafting him. That's it, 34 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 2: that's him. 35 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 1: His twenty two catches, eighteen of them have gone for first. 36 00:01:45,200 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 4: Towns, which means he's dependable, reliable. Yeah, much like Courton 37 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 4: Sutton is. Yeah, there's a lot to like about him. 38 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 4: I don't know what the ceiling is for him as 39 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 4: a wide receiver. I'm sure he's going to continue to 40 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 4: get better. He doesn't have I can't tell if he's 41 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,600 Speaker 4: got that that speed to be a deep threat. I 42 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,480 Speaker 4: don't think he does. But man, catching balls over the middle, 43 00:02:09,120 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 4: that's a lot to ask of a wide receiver. 44 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 2: As you know, Dave, it was much rougher when you 45 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 2: were playing than it is today. 46 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 4: But if you catch balls over the middle man, you 47 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 4: are great value to your football team and your quarterback. 48 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,160 Speaker 1: There was a there's a moment where it looked like 49 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 1: bo Nicks had had a no look past in this 50 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: game against the Raiders. 51 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: Did you I saw it? You saw that? 52 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 1: So he was asked about it and he kind of 53 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: played like, I don't know, like that wasn't a real thing. 54 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: This is this is his response today. 55 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:39,359 Speaker 2: I uh, no look through? 56 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:40,520 Speaker 5: Is he selling no look throw? 57 00:02:40,600 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 6: For me? 58 00:02:41,040 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 2: There was a pole were saying was a look. 59 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:50,359 Speaker 5: Didn't believe what they're saying. I practice it. I definitely 60 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 5: try it. You know, you got to be very bold 61 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 5: and comfortable doing it in a game. Sometimes you can 62 00:02:56,760 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 5: get away with your helmet being some way and you peeking, 63 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 5: you know, and other way, but those are just part 64 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 5: of the game. You got to have good feel and 65 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 5: awareness and uh, you know, hear two. I'm gonna be 66 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 5: a lot slower to do it than you know, a 67 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 5: guy like Stafford who's been doing it forever. He can 68 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 5: make probably close his eyes and make throws. But you 69 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:18,040 Speaker 5: know that's the fun part of the game, the unique 70 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 5: creativity part of the game that I think the players 71 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:24,360 Speaker 5: really enjoy because it allows our skill set to show 72 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:27,920 Speaker 5: and it puts us in a situation to sort of 73 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 5: manipulate the defense, if you will, and get him to 74 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 5: move and find angles. And that's where kind of you 75 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 5: get to you know, one O two class, and it's 76 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 5: you taking a step ahead, and I think at some 77 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 5: point you have to start taking those steps or you're 78 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 5: just you know, sitting in the same spot. 79 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 1: I mean, he's sure, I'm looking at it right here, Dave. 80 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: He admitted it. The guy that he moved with his 81 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:52,440 Speaker 2: eyes is Devin. 82 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 3: White, Yes, the linebacker, And I mean there's no I 83 00:03:56,920 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 3: think he downplayed it a little bit, but he also 84 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,800 Speaker 3: if you listen to what he said, I mean he 85 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 3: pretty much admitted it. And again, that's that's a Matthew Stafford, 86 00:04:06,880 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 3: that's a Patrick Mahomes at times. 87 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: I'm sure there are other guys, but I don't. 88 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,560 Speaker 3: I don't think that's the first time bon Nicks has 89 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:15,480 Speaker 3: done that in a game. 90 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: What do you think Sean Payton says to him in 91 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: the film session after that, I mean, it's probably nothing, 92 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:25,239 Speaker 1: because I mean it was completed. 93 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:31,599 Speaker 3: Yeah, so I would say I would say probably nothing. 94 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 2: He may and again this is pure conjecture. 95 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 6: He may. 96 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: Just challenge him a little bit like to hey, let's 97 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 3: you know, let's make sure, let's make sure we're good 98 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,160 Speaker 3: on that right. 99 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: If you've if we've got and. 100 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 3: That was a relatively easy completion, the last thing we 101 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 3: want to do is to be looking, you know, another 102 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 3: direction and throw that thing at the receiver's feet. So 103 00:04:58,800 --> 00:05:03,240 Speaker 3: maybe a gentle like, hey, I don't hate it, I 104 00:05:03,279 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: don't hate it. I want you to be creative and 105 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:11,359 Speaker 3: you know one O two in football, But let's just 106 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 3: make sure we're on point. 107 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 2: What do you think, Dave? 108 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 4: I want to ask you who spends the most one 109 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 4: on one time with bo Knicks David? Oh, Davis? Yeah, 110 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 4: for sure, more than Sean Payton, for sure. So how 111 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 4: much time would Sean Payton spend in the film room 112 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 4: with him compared to Davis? 113 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 2: Not not nearly as much. Okay, not nearly as much. 114 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 3: I mean Sean, I think I'm not saying he doesn't 115 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,120 Speaker 3: spend any but. 116 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, Davis is the is the guy. 117 00:05:40,800 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 3: I mean, you you know, you spend a lot more 118 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,680 Speaker 3: time with your position coaches in the NFL than you 119 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 3: ever do with the head coach ever. I mean, the 120 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: head coach comes in, addresses the team at the start 121 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:52,039 Speaker 3: of the week, which most times nowadays in the league 122 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 3: is Wednesday, comes in, talks about the upcoming opponent. Here's 123 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 3: what we need to do offensively, defensively, special teams. Here's 124 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:04,080 Speaker 3: how we're going to structure the game plan. If there's 125 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:05,840 Speaker 3: any couple of things you may be doing a little 126 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 3: bit differently practice wise in terms of. 127 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:11,040 Speaker 2: Practice time, starting on. 128 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 3: A particular day, you'll lay out the week for the players. 129 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 3: But as far as looking at film and sort of 130 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,840 Speaker 3: grading technique, and that's that's position coach stuff. 131 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 4: How much influence would he have over the defense in vance, Joseph, Oh, 132 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 4: he's the head coach. Well, I mean, so he'll tell him, Hey, 133 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 4: this is our schemes, our game plan for this week. 134 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: No Iruggle, No, I think fans would would structure the 135 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 2: game plan. Now. 136 00:06:36,760 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 3: Sean certainly has the right and I would think probably 137 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:44,479 Speaker 3: exercises it to look at that and say Okay, I like. 138 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: This, and like I'm not crazy about that. Maybe on 139 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 2: third down. 140 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:51,680 Speaker 3: So and I'm guessing here, I've not been in one 141 00:06:51,720 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 3: of those meetings with those guys, but maybe he says, hey, 142 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,239 Speaker 3: think about this instead of like on third and eight plus, 143 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 3: we want to be in some sort of sub package. 144 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 2: You know. 145 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 3: There's constant communication, I think, but that's that's why you 146 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 3: pay your coordinators, and that's why you pay your position coaches. 147 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: Five six, nine zeros or kay common Spirit health text 148 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: line another sound by here from BO. I thought this 149 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: was a really good question, and it's something that I 150 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: kind of wonder as well, because Sean told us earlier 151 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:22,680 Speaker 1: in the week that they had seven plays. He said, 152 00:07:22,760 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: ruffler on seven plays drawn up for explosive, like like 153 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna take some deep shots here on seven plays, 154 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 1: and it just end up ended up working. So the 155 00:07:29,760 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: question was asked to bo how many times have you 156 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:35,119 Speaker 1: sort of looked at things and said, Okay, well we're 157 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 1: gonna be able to do this, but then the defense 158 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,080 Speaker 1: was able to do whatever they did, and you can't 159 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: now throw it deep. You got to take and accept 160 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 1: a check down. So here's what he had to say 161 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: to that. 162 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 5: Honestly, you go into a game, you hope all of 163 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 5: them can be explosives, and you hope all of them 164 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 5: are going to work. How you seen them on video, 165 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 5: how you prepared for him on film. Sometimes you're right, 166 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 5: you don't get to look. So you have to minimize 167 00:07:55,920 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 5: the damage, and you know everyone's why you can prevent it, 168 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 5: not show it. But sometimes you write it out and 169 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 5: get to check down, you know, run scramble, find a 170 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 5: way out of it, and just don't make a you 171 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 5: know what was opportunity to be an explosive. Don't make 172 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 5: a bad play and definitely you know if they cover 173 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 5: it up, don't make it worse. But that happens. It's uh, 174 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 5: the you know, part of the game. 175 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: Usually at all levels you hope for a look. 176 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 7: Sometimes you don't get it. 177 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 5: You just got to minimize damage. 178 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 1: So one of the criticisms that constantly gets levied at 179 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: Bow from a lot of national media are people that 180 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: sort of watch the film is that he gets to 181 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: that too fast. Do you think he gets to the 182 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: checkdowns or avoids waiting for the explosives to open up 183 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: a little too quickly? 184 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 3: I think it's such a general question, and so I 185 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 3: would I would answer. 186 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 2: In a general way. 187 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 3: Have there been times where, once you go back and 188 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:59,920 Speaker 3: look at the all twenty two where you would say, man, 189 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:02,240 Speaker 3: he just lets this thing breathe a little bit. 190 00:09:02,720 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 2: You know, this guy is going to some wide opener, 191 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:05,679 Speaker 2: this guy whatever. 192 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 3: So yes in that regard, but I think I think 193 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 3: Bo has made I think Bo has made significant progress 194 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:21,959 Speaker 3: this year from within the pocket. You know, there was 195 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 3: a stretch of time where his feet. You think of 196 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 3: the Raiders first game. 197 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 2: You know. 198 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 3: Now, Sean said that was a bad game plan, which 199 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 3: I thought was interesting and asked him about that in 200 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,000 Speaker 3: his pregium show. But in that game, Bo never really 201 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 3: looked comfortable. I mean to me, the good coaches, and 202 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 3: they have them, here are the guys that look at 203 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 3: their players and say, Okay, he does this and this 204 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 3: and this, those three things he's really really good at. 205 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 3: Let's build as much of either this game plan or 206 00:09:53,040 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 3: what we do structurally on offense to fit those three 207 00:09:57,360 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 3: or four traits. These two things, he's probably not as 208 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 3: good as as he could be. Let's work on those. 209 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: But I don't want to, you know, he so what 210 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 3: are you talking about? Well, he really is an accurate 211 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 3: thrower on the run, all right. He's a really good athlete. 212 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 3: He's a plus athlete at this position in the NFL. Now, 213 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:19,800 Speaker 3: he's not Lamar Jackson but he's a plus athlete. He 214 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 3: can make things happen with his feet, So then you balance, 215 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 3: I think, how much do we want him to run 216 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 3: or were going to design plays which they haven't done 217 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 3: much this year for him to run. They've done it 218 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:34,240 Speaker 3: a couple times. They did it against the Giants late 219 00:10:34,280 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 3: in the game. They did it last year in New 220 00:10:36,080 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 3: Orleans in that game. So yeah, I just think that 221 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 3: I don't share this. I don't say it's a prevailing thought, 222 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 3: but I don't share the thought at all that bo 223 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 3: Nicks would be the reason his lack of development in 224 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 3: his second year would be the reason the Broncos, you know, 225 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 3: don't get as far in the playoffs. 226 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,880 Speaker 2: As they should or could. I just don't share that. 227 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 4: It looks way more comfortable to me the last couple 228 00:11:03,440 --> 00:11:05,720 Speaker 4: of games in particular, and what we're seeing them do 229 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,439 Speaker 4: now these last few games. I think this is sustainable. 230 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 4: I think this is how you're going to win these 231 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 4: four tough games coming up and then into the playoffs. 232 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 4: You know, get rid of the ball quickly, throw to 233 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 4: a lot of your underneath receivers, you know, just pick up, 234 00:11:23,960 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 4: you know, make it, make it third and two. You 235 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 4: know you got a little bit of a run game, 236 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 4: going pick up third downs. I think they run the 237 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 4: ball just good enough to play a game like that 238 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 4: with his defense that they have. I think what you're 239 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 4: seeing now is sustainable to win big football games down 240 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 4: the stretch and in the postseason. 241 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: And I guess when I come back to this, and certainly, 242 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 1: as you're pointed out, Dave, there are some moments where, yeah, 243 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 1: you'd like to have the explosives, but I'd much rather 244 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: stay in front of the sticks, Like if I have 245 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:55,800 Speaker 1: the option versus a deep in completion that gets you 246 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: nothing except for the next down, or you get four 247 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 1: or five yards like they did against the Raiders. Got 248 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,600 Speaker 1: read do that that comment from that person. And there 249 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: was another article that was written after that game where 250 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: somebody went play by play and they said, Okay, well 251 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: this is he could have waited for this one, or 252 00:12:11,440 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: he could have waited for this one. And I do 253 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 1: think that that's it's a little subjective because you don't 254 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 1: know what the coach is coaching them to do. You 255 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: don't know if that's it, that's the backside of the play. 256 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: But this guy all of a sudden came open. So 257 00:12:21,200 --> 00:12:23,240 Speaker 1: what you're doing is you're guessing a little bit when 258 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: you're breaking that down, but you're getting four or five 259 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: yards every single play on some of these checkdowns. 260 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think he has, for whatever reason, been scrutinized 261 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:37,359 Speaker 3: a lot in that regard. I think when you judge quarterbacks, 262 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 3: you judge them on stretches of play and the entire 263 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,199 Speaker 3: body of work. Now, the entire body of work can 264 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 3: be a three game stretch might be a game. But 265 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 3: what I don't think is fair is to judge them 266 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,199 Speaker 3: on a particular series or two. 267 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 2: Every single quarterback that has. 268 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 3: Ever played this game will have will have stretches of 269 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 3: play where they don't look very good, or they they're 270 00:13:03,320 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 3: not making the right decision. There are several factors that 271 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 3: that affect that decision making up that decision making process, right, 272 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 3: whether it's maybe it's a bad play call from the sideline, 273 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:20,920 Speaker 3: Maybe the play got in late and you didn't have 274 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: time to check out of it. You're looking around to see, Okay, 275 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,640 Speaker 3: what's it? You look up the snap Clock's the two 276 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,200 Speaker 3: snap the ball? We don't want to take a Maybe 277 00:13:28,200 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 3: it's that maybe uh, you know, maybe one of your 278 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 3: offensive linemen got beat individually. 279 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 2: Maybe your receiver got held up with the line of 280 00:13:35,600 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 2: scrimmage and wasn't. 281 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 3: It the proper There's just there's all sorts of things 282 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 3: that affect quarterback play. I again, I would challenge people 283 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: to go back and look at this guy and not 284 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 3: in stretches of play, but in the entire body of work. 285 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 2: Judge him on this season. 286 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:56,160 Speaker 3: Have you seen this second year quarterback make progress this year? 287 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 3: In all honesty, I would say yes, I have. I 288 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:01,840 Speaker 3: think he's playing. I think he looks much more comfortable. 289 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 3: And Rick brought it up recently and he to me, 290 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 3: it will not be the reason that Broncos if they 291 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 3: don't achieve their ultimate goal. I don't think it's going 292 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,079 Speaker 3: to be because of Bonnicks. I really don't. 293 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 4: Question for both of you about Marvin Mims. Now, his 294 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 4: speed makes him a deep threat, but he gets maybe 295 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 4: two targets a game and they're usually like bubble screens, 296 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 4: never anything downfield. This guy, when you do throw him 297 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 4: the football, he catches it. He's not dropping passes. How 298 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 4: could they get him more involved in the passing game 299 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 4: and make him that deep threat because they drafted him 300 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 4: in the second round as a deep threat wide receiver. 301 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 4: We haven't seen that much. 302 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:48,960 Speaker 1: Yet, Well, we saw it last year towards the tail 303 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,360 Speaker 1: end of the season, right you saw it versus Cleveland, 304 00:14:51,400 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 1: you saw versus Cincinnati. It seems like there should be 305 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: some more opportunities for that. Maybe Troy Franklin is sort 306 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: of eating into that role. And I'm guessing. I mean, 307 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 1: I don't know for certain if that's the case, but 308 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: Troy Franklin obviously has a bigger role this year than 309 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,840 Speaker 1: he did last year. So I'm wondering if a little 310 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: bit of that role, the downfield threat receiver Troy Franklin 311 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: is eating up some of that on the team. By 312 00:15:14,920 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: the way, congratulations to Marvin Mims who getting AFC Special 313 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 1: Teams Player of the Week. It's the most by Bronco's 314 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: returner in club history. 315 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 2: Oh wow, So he's had how many three? Three? Yeah? 316 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 4: When you the putt return for the touchdown play of 317 00:15:30,320 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 4: the NFL is just so electric. Yeah, And it changes 318 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 4: the game and also changes the energy in the stadium. 319 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 4: You know, that's so much fun to watch. I was 320 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 4: surprised when he did run that back for a touchdown. 321 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 4: Somehow in my head I was thinking he's had one 322 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:49,760 Speaker 4: before because he's been so good. Two time All Pro 323 00:15:50,280 --> 00:15:53,120 Speaker 4: and it took three years to get his first punt 324 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 4: return for a touchdown. Hopefully many more to come because 325 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:59,920 Speaker 4: he's really really special in that regard. But I still 326 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 4: think there's a way they can make him a deep 327 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 4: threat wide receiver. 328 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 3: Driving kick Mimes on a gallop from the forty eight 329 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 3: Marvin in trouble, steps. 330 00:16:10,040 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 6: Out of a tackle, and here we go Marvin's loose plays. 331 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:16,120 Speaker 6: Throw a Raider down the sideline twenty fifteen, ten five 332 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 6: touchdown Marvin Mimes a punt return of forty eight yards. 333 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 6: He looked like he was tackled by a sea of 334 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 6: black jerseys, then got out pointed to the lone Raider 335 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 6: with a couple of blockers in front and Jail Skinner 336 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 6: a really nice block on the punter that freed Mims 337 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 6: to saunter down the Broncos sideline into the Raider endzone. 338 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 1: Excellent use of saunter. 339 00:16:46,120 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 2: Dave Sauntere, good dropping some fancy words. He did. He 340 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 2: did just kind of, you know, did like he was 341 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:56,520 Speaker 2: walking on Broadway. Good description, absolutely. 342 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: And then once again you got to hear he go 343 00:16:57,360 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 1: in there the three best words in the English language. 344 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 3: He wouldn't it looked like that thing was gonna be 345 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 3: like a five year old return. 346 00:17:04,359 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 2: I mean he went in to like so. 347 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 3: Many white jerseys that you you lost sight of him 348 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 3: as you're looking, and then it was just like he 349 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 3: spit out and here we go. 350 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:16,240 Speaker 2: Here we go, popped it. It was very good. 351 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: And by the way, J. L. Skinner, who had that block, 352 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 1: is going to join us on the show tomorrow as 353 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:21,520 Speaker 1: a spotlight. 354 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 2: Guess he's doing a good year on special teams. Yes 355 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,480 Speaker 2: he is, you. 356 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: Know, yes, Devon Keys. I think he's leading the league 357 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:30,919 Speaker 1: and tackles some special teams something like that. He's, uh, 358 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: he's been special. And that's that's the thing, Like we 359 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: oftentimes don't talk a ton about special teams until things 360 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 1: like that happen. And you know, there's that writer that 361 00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:43,399 Speaker 1: said that the special teams touchdown was the only difference. 362 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,120 Speaker 1: Thinking that's just false, right, it's not. It's not true 363 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,280 Speaker 1: how the game played out, but it was a big 364 00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:52,640 Speaker 1: play and a big momentum swing. And Marvin has been great. 365 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:54,600 Speaker 1: I would like to reward him with more offensive snaps. 366 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: To your question, Rick, I'd like to see him get 367 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:57,159 Speaker 1: more snaps. 368 00:17:57,200 --> 00:17:57,800 Speaker 2: And as you. 369 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 4: Said, last year, we did see that happen down the stretch. Yeah, 370 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 4: I hope what happens again. Try Franklin. As you said, 371 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 4: it's been a he's better than he was last year, 372 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 4: but still to me, he's still too inconsistent. I don't 373 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:13,840 Speaker 4: think you can really count on him to make the 374 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 4: big catch when you need him to make it. Now, 375 00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:18,280 Speaker 4: he's made a few big catches this year, but I 376 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 4: still think he's a work in progress. I just I 377 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,000 Speaker 4: think Marvin Mims should be that guy. He should be 378 00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 4: able to pick up that role and try Franklin. Frankly, 379 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 4: Franklin is starting to fade into the background a little bit. 380 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 2: You know, you're seeing Pat Ryan get more targets than 381 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 2: him now. 382 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:40,560 Speaker 4: So it's a good problem to have when you got 383 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 4: two guys that can be deep threats, but one of 384 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 4: them is going to have to become that guy as 385 00:18:45,359 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 4: we head down the stretch. 386 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: So wow, this story was Cherill Moore. We talked about 387 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: it at the outside of the show. Ex Michigan Coach. 388 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:58,399 Speaker 1: He was fired this afternoon. Apparently, according to Dan Wetzel 389 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: and Pete Damel, he was detained by police in Saling, 390 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 1: Michigan this evening and turned over to the police in 391 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: Pittsfield Township for investigation into potential charges. So it's not 392 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: just fired by Michigan. He's in police custody. 393 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:15,439 Speaker 3: Whoa one of that? I mean, I know what, I 394 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 3: know what being in police custody means. But I wonder 395 00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:21,199 Speaker 3: what what the story is going to be when it 396 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 3: comes out. What So he is accused of having an 397 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 3: inappropriate relationship and now the police are involved. 398 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 2: Not good? I don't know if that is not good. Yeah, 399 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: it would be somebody who's underage. 400 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: I know his inappropriate relationship with a staff member was 401 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: the official statement. 402 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 3: But that I mean that that would get you fired 403 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 3: for sure. And if he's married, probably divorced. But with 404 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 3: that alone, bring the authorities into the mix. 405 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,920 Speaker 2: I don't think so. See, I don't think so either. 406 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 4: Now that would be a personal issue that would have 407 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,359 Speaker 4: got him fired. This sounds like you broke the law. 408 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: Well yeah, I mean if he's being to take he's 409 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: in custody right now. 410 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 4: I mean you can read it into it and probably 411 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:10,840 Speaker 4: take a guess what's going on? 412 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 2: Man? That's bad. See, I don't think. I don't have 413 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 2: any idea. I'm what do you what's your guests? I'm thinking, uh, 414 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 2: sexual assault. 415 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,680 Speaker 4: Like oh okay, yeah, having sex with somebody against their will. 416 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 4: I'm just well, yeah that reading into it, that'll do it. Yeah, 417 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,120 Speaker 4: and not necessarily a minor. 418 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's yeah. Good point. Good point. 419 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 4: That's staff member, you said, Yeah, eighteen probably at least yeah, I. 420 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: Mean with staff member. Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty open there. 421 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 1: But yeah, that that we we got two hours ago, 422 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,320 Speaker 1: we got the news that he was fired, and then now, uh, 423 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: now that that's coming out, so something will be So. 424 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 3: How quickly do we think the University of Michigan will 425 00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 3: name a new head coach next week? 426 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 2: Do you really? Yeah? I think within a week. 427 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: You can't waste time. You can't wait time. 428 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 3: Well unless unless they sort of have known about this 429 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,680 Speaker 3: thing for a while and they've had a little chance 430 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,880 Speaker 3: behind the scenes maybe to prepare for it. If if 431 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 3: the University of Michigan, the athletic Department, the athletic director 432 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 3: of the president, they're just learning about the Charone Moore thing, 433 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 3: like today they got dropped on their lap or in 434 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 3: their lap man, I think it's hard to I think 435 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 3: it's hard to hire a coach within a week. 436 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:35,439 Speaker 1: Well, the transfer portal opens up January January second, So 437 00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:38,240 Speaker 1: you are, and how how long has it opened till 438 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:40,920 Speaker 1: the sixteenth? So you got two weeks, you got two weeks. 439 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,120 Speaker 3: I mean, you'd ideally like to have your head coach 440 00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:45,200 Speaker 3: in place obviously. 441 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 2: For that right man. 442 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:50,919 Speaker 4: And Jesse Miner, who seems like would be an obvious choice. 443 00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:53,199 Speaker 2: He's going to be coaching the Charger. See here's the 444 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:54,600 Speaker 2: deal with Mintra And I. 445 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 3: Don't know him no obviously his mindset, but he's had, 446 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 3: as Ryan's pointed out earlier, he's had a good run. 447 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 3: He was the defensive coordinator of a national championship team 448 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 3: in Michigan that he went with Harbaugh to the Chargers. 449 00:22:08,119 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 3: The Chargers have been sort of a defensive oriented team, 450 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 3: and he's received quite a bit of high praise. I 451 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 3: don't know if he looks at this and says, hey, 452 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 3: I'm really young and my future is going to be 453 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 3: in the NFL. 454 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,120 Speaker 2: It's not going to be in. 455 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:30,439 Speaker 3: College football with NILS and with transfer portals and. 456 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 2: All that stuff. I think. 457 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 3: I can't say every coach, but I think the majority 458 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,679 Speaker 3: of coaches that would have an option to look at 459 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 3: something unless he's he's got such an affinity for the 460 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 3: university of Michigan unless that's you know, he coached there, 461 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 3: But unless that is like the job to end all jobs. 462 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 3: I think jesse Mincher would think about staying in the NFL. 463 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 2: Because you think he's a future. 464 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 3: Well, I think he thinks he yeah, right, And I 465 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,080 Speaker 3: think you know, if you had a chance, there'd be 466 00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:04,680 Speaker 3: very few guy coaches I would think if you said, 467 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:07,040 Speaker 3: I think you have a chance to be an NFL 468 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 3: coach within the head coach within the next three or 469 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 3: four years, I think there'd be very few guys that 470 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,199 Speaker 3: would look the other way and say, yeah, but I 471 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:20,400 Speaker 3: could be a head coach in college right now, unless 472 00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,160 Speaker 3: that job we're so near and dear to his heart 473 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:28,119 Speaker 3: that it was the opportunity of a lifetime. And I 474 00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 3: don't know that about jesse Minner and. 475 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 4: The fact that he's a young guy. If he can 476 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 4: go there a five year deal, say fifteen million bucks 477 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,160 Speaker 4: a year, you know you're paid, you know you're set 478 00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 4: for life, generational money, and then if it doesn't work out, 479 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 4: you go back and be a DC in the NFL 480 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 4: and have a long career as a defensive court That's 481 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,399 Speaker 4: true depends how you look at I mean, if you 482 00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 4: want to get paid, go take the money. 483 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:54,720 Speaker 1: Well, and then I wonder, to your point, Dave, about 484 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,800 Speaker 1: the type of because it's obviously a different it's a 485 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: completely different setup, right being a fell coach, the type 486 00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: of people you're coaching versus the college game, especially as 487 00:24:04,080 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: it's evolving with NIL, you do wonder the type of 488 00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 1: coaches that want to be at college because you've got 489 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,119 Speaker 1: to continue to re recruit your same guys. You're on 490 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: the trail all the time, unless you're coach Prime, but 491 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: you're you're constantly trying to rebuild your roster every single 492 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: year versus at the I mean, it feels like the 493 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: pro level not only would have more proceige because it's NFL, 494 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: but also because you don't have to do that, you 495 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:32,199 Speaker 1: don't have to re recruit your guys constantly. I don't know, 496 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:34,360 Speaker 1: and I guess it takes a certain type of personality. 497 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,960 Speaker 1: But once again, Michigan is that school, right like you 498 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 1: you listen, you know you're not You're not mpor in 499 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: the FCS here you're jumping. I mean, that's that's the top, 500 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:46,640 Speaker 1: that's the criminal crop right. 501 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:47,720 Speaker 2: There, yeap chatter. 502 00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 3: I mean, I think I think I think you could 503 00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 3: say they're they're in the cream of the crop. I 504 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,640 Speaker 3: don't know right now if I'd say that's the top 505 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,120 Speaker 3: four or five college football port right now. I think 506 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 3: from a history standpoint, from a tradition standpoint for sure. 507 00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 3: I mean, do you think Michigan right now is the 508 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 3: top four or five program on the field. No? 509 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 4: No, And I like I said earlier, I think Michigan's 510 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 4: probably okay, letting this guy go, and they're thinking, man, 511 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 4: good thing, we don't have to pay him. I'm talking 512 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:24,720 Speaker 4: about more college Yeah. 513 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 2: Where did where did Harbaugh get Jesse Mentor? 514 00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: H Did he get him from Baltimoreore or No? No, 515 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: hold on, let me think about that. 516 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,919 Speaker 2: Yeah, he was, he was in the league for a while. 517 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,880 Speaker 3: But we should look and see if there are any 518 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 3: real ties that we can come up with with Mentor 519 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 3: in ann Arbor. 520 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 4: But to me, when I look at premium college football programs, 521 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 4: I would put Michigan in the top five. They're not 522 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 4: that team today. Yeah, so he was with the potential 523 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:53,480 Speaker 4: certainly there. 524 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 2: Yeah. 525 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,680 Speaker 1: So he was with Baltimore as a defensive assistant defensive 526 00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:58,320 Speaker 1: backs coach. 527 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 2: So got to know John Harbor very well. 528 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: Yes, so he was there from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty, 529 00:26:04,320 --> 00:26:05,960 Speaker 1: and then he was with Vandy as a d C 530 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,520 Speaker 1: before going to Michigan as a DC. 531 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 3: So the Michigan I think connection with Jim Harbaugh was 532 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 3: through Jim's brother John yep right. 533 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 2: So I don't know that. 534 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 3: It's going to be interesting to see kind of what 535 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 3: Michigan does or what they're able to do. 536 00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 4: I would think any available coach, unemployed head football coach 537 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,560 Speaker 4: that's out there right now, would be interested in that job, 538 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 4: any one of them. 539 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 2: But he's not unemployed, and he's an NFL guy. 540 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 4: Now I'm talking unemployed former like Urban Myers and and 541 00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 4: hold A Sabin. 542 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,840 Speaker 1: Can you imagine any one of those guys would look 543 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:46,440 Speaker 1: at that job. 544 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:47,600 Speaker 2: No, I think it's that big. 545 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,520 Speaker 1: Can you imagine Urban going to Michigan? I? 546 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 3: Oh, I don't think Nick Saban, don't. I don't think 547 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 3: Nick Saban would go. He's a little old. What about 548 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,520 Speaker 3: Brian Kelly? I I would be. 549 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: Shocked if Michigan would hire He's not their type. I 550 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,879 Speaker 2: wouldn't think. So he's got too much of a Southern drawl. 551 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 2: That's what I've known. 552 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what doesn't It doesn't play you from Michigan. No, right, No, 553 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,359 Speaker 4: that doesn't play doesn't in Michigan. 554 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,600 Speaker 1: Don't understand said. 555 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 2: Got such southern heritage. 556 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:34,280 Speaker 4: But for me, the college football coaching jobs not as 557 00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 4: attractive as it was before transfer, portal and nil and 558 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:39,600 Speaker 4: all that stuff. 559 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 2: And that's why a lot of the big guys got out. 560 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,440 Speaker 2: I've had plenty of college coaches tell me that very thing. 561 00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: I believe it. I believe it. 562 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:50,640 Speaker 1: Pat Bryan is expected to miss the game on Sunday 563 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: hamstring issue. 564 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 7: Yeah, he's expected. He's you know, they're gonna monitor it 565 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 7: through the week, but he's expected to be out. He 566 00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,000 Speaker 7: played with it last week. He did play with it 567 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 7: last week. It looks likeation during the games. 568 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 1: Ye, that's about that time of year. And have certain 569 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: guys and I mean it's not They're all important games. 570 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: Although though DJ Jones got a full practice in today, 571 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 1: have you heard anything on him? 572 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 2: It's him and Powers. 573 00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 7: They're gonna who've got a limited action and they're gonna 574 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,399 Speaker 7: take it slow. DJ is potentially back this week. That 575 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 7: was always a coin flip. Last week was definitely out 576 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 7: of This week's a coin flip. We'll see later on 577 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 7: in the week. We won't we don't know for sure 578 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:24,960 Speaker 7: until then. 579 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, Luca Evans said that Ben Powers would be more 580 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: like a next week yeah versus Jacksonville. 581 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,439 Speaker 7: There if it's you know, if it happens to be 582 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 7: good enough, cool, but it's it's going to kind of 583 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 7: look at it and they're both, you know, looking at 584 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 7: it next week. 585 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:38,280 Speaker 4: I feel like, I feel like Pelchwski's been solid, but 586 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 4: I think Powers are better. 587 00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: How do you look at it? 588 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 7: I I mean, I think Al Palace played well over 589 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 7: there Powers. I think they get a little bit more 590 00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 7: out of the run game with Powers. 591 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 2: That's what we were saying earlier. 592 00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:53,200 Speaker 7: But you know, I mean, I think pal Shaskis in 593 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 7: the past game. I think pal Schwesski's better pulling. I 594 00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 7: just think from a stationary guard perspective, you get a 595 00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,360 Speaker 7: little bit more of Powers, maybe by name, maybe not 596 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 7: by reputation. 597 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:04,560 Speaker 2: You know, they're in the eye. 598 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:09,880 Speaker 7: Rollink the's Austin Powers jokes off all I can exactly. 599 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: Well, it'd be good to get DJ Jones back. Josh Jacobs. 600 00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: I was checking this out earlier. Josh Jacobs is eight 601 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 1: to no versus the Broncos's all out with the Raiders. 602 00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 2: Kills the Broncos every time they play them. 603 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 1: Nine touchdowns he rushed against them in those eight games, 604 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 1: and almost one hundred yards rushing per game. 605 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 7: Most of that was against the Fangio defense, which baits 606 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 7: you into doing that. That's the that's how you beat 607 00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,880 Speaker 7: the Fangio defense is you you power run against it 608 00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 7: and you Nicklin dined the flats and so the Raiders 609 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 7: when they had Josh Jacobs, were patient enough and successful 610 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 7: enough to be able to do that. 611 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: And that's that's a part of the formula there. 612 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 2: This defense is different. 613 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:53,000 Speaker 7: This is a you know, Vance Joseph's defense philosophically is 614 00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 7: almost the polar opposite of of what Fancio wanted to do. 615 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 7: Fancio runs tight fronts, you know, he wants to drop 616 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 7: everybody back in his own you know, and you've got 617 00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 7: Vance who wants to basically who comes off the wait 618 00:30:07,240 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 7: Phillips tree. He wants to send everybody after the quarterback. 619 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 7: And so just philosophically different defenses. I don't know if 620 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 7: that leads to it if a result with Josh or not. 621 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 1: I mean, it's easy to say shutting down Josh Jacobs 622 00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: making them one dimensional would probably be the first place 623 00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: i'd start if I'm vance Joseph this weekend. 624 00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:27,720 Speaker 4: You agree, yes, And I think the Packers are thinking 625 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 4: the same thing. They want to make of course, you 626 00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 4: want to make every team one dimensional, of course. So 627 00:30:32,080 --> 00:30:35,560 Speaker 4: that being said, yeah, I do think the Packers want 628 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 4: to shut down the Broncos run game. We saw a 629 00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,480 Speaker 4: good run game last week against the Raiders, and R. J. 630 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 4: Harvey is starting to figure things out. But yeah, I 631 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 4: don't know, Man, pick your poison with those guys, Josh 632 00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 4: Jacob's really good running back and Jordan love Man, he's 633 00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 4: now worked his way into the MVP conversation. So a 634 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 4: lot of that, What do you want to shut down? 635 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 4: What's the Packers run game? It's a pick your poison poison, 636 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 4: that's what they do. 637 00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:04,760 Speaker 1: So Grants you're the man. Appreciate you, BCT Next