WEBVTT - 1-15-26 Scott Sloan Show 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:00.840 Don't want. 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:06.640 This is Scott Sloan show on seven hundred WLWED the 0:00:06.840 --> 0:00:09.160 City of Cincinnati. He set a lawsuit for almost a 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:11.840 million and a half dollars with the family of Condavier Hicks. 0:00:12.240 --> 0:00:14.560 Mister Hicks was shot and killed by police at his 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:17.520 North Side apartment what sixteen years ago? Twenty fifteen, almost 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:19.439 sixteen years ago, and in light of a number of 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:23.040 settlements from only over eight million dollars for the Rodney 0:00:23.120 --> 0:00:27.240 King protesters to discussions over paying Ryan Hinton's family, the 0:00:27.360 --> 0:00:29.880 question is whether the payouts are better than fighting this 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.800 in court. And before I get to the attorney represent 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:35.760 the Hicks family, let me refresh the elements of Kwandaver Hicks, 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:37.560 because I had to go back and look some stuff 0:00:37.600 --> 0:00:39.920 up because it's been so long ago, ten eleven years 0:00:39.920 --> 0:00:42.840 long time. So he's twenty two years old at the time. 0:00:43.040 --> 0:00:45.440 And there was a call for service at nine one 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:50.280 one for aggravated menacing, which aggravated means the use of 0:00:50.320 --> 0:00:52.919 a weapon in this case of firearm, and so they 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:55.240 had a duty to respond in this case, they make 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:58.480 the run, they enter the apartment building or the apartment 0:00:58.520 --> 0:01:02.120 on Chase Avenue, Northside on this call because he had 0:01:02.160 --> 0:01:04.280 threatened to kill a couple accused that they accused of 0:01:04.360 --> 0:01:07.120 him sealing from their home. Officers entered the building through 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:09.679 an unlocked side door, did not have a warrant the 0:01:09.720 --> 0:01:12.720 building is then the question is whether that's a multi 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:14.800 unit dwelling or just a single family. We'll get to 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:17.240 that in a second with the attorney. But when the 0:01:17.280 --> 0:01:20.000 officers reached and went inside and reached Hicks's door, he 0:01:20.040 --> 0:01:22.720 emerged holding a twenty two caliber rifle appointed it at 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:25.920 one of the officers. Another officer, think of the three 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:28.280 or four officer on the scene, grabbed the barrel and 0:01:28.319 --> 0:01:31.640 in this case officer Door Scott fired the deadly one shot, 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:33.680 hitting him in the chest. He died at the scene. 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:37.160 And because this was well twenty fifteen, it wasn't I 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.639 believe a year later when CPD officers were issued body cameras, 0:01:40.640 --> 0:01:42.759 so we don't even have body camera footage. So on 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:46.160 that with that rather long setup is Attorney Rob Lindaman, 0:01:46.200 --> 0:01:47.200 attorney for the Hicks family. 0:01:47.319 --> 0:01:49.800 Rob, welcome, good morning, how are you come on? 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:50.360 Scott? 0:01:50.480 --> 0:01:50.840 Thank you? 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.280 And I hope I got the details of it right. 0:01:54.320 --> 0:01:56.000 I mean, you know, ten, ten eleven years a long 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:58.200 time sometimes you know, you lose track of what the 0:01:58.240 --> 0:01:58.920 facts actually were. 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:00.880 But I think generally that was a right. 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.560 That is, that was all that was all generally act good. 0:02:04.720 --> 0:02:06.760 I want to reemphasize that. Yeah, so you had called. 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.080 I was talking about this yesterday and talking about city 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:12.280 settling rather than litigating. And I think that's valid for 0:02:12.320 --> 0:02:14.720 taxpayers going more hand at eight million dollars at a time, 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:16.600 and what's the city law department exists? 0:02:16.600 --> 0:02:18.800 I think that's a reasonable argument. 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:20.440 But at the same time, you had called in the 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:22.359 end of the segment yesterday, I like about nine to 0:02:22.480 --> 0:02:24.600 fifty and unfortunately out other stuff and news and all that, 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:26.120 as you know, and I wanted to get you back 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.000 on because I thought the conversation, and as brief as 0:02:28.000 --> 0:02:30.920 it was, was fascinating because you represent the family and 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.600 above all else, Rob, I didn't get a chance to 0:02:33.600 --> 0:02:34.239 ask you yesterday. 0:02:34.240 --> 0:02:35.920 But is the family happy with the settlement? 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:39.840 Let's put it this way. The family is satisfied with 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:46.160 the settlement. This is a situation where there would there 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:48.840 would be no situation in which the family would feel 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:51.760 they were justly compensated for the loss of the sign, 0:02:51.919 --> 0:02:57.160 the loss of a brother. But the main thing. Or 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:00.440 let's put it this way. A principal objective was to 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:05.600 obtain a fayre, a thorough and an independent investigation, because 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:08.839 I have to tell you that when I met Kwan 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:14.280 Davier's mother, she really just wanted to know what happened. 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:18.240 As you said, this is twenty fifteen. The Cincinnati Police 0:03:18.240 --> 0:03:21.600 Department quite simply had not been forthright with her. They 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:24.920 promised her that they would be transparent and forthcoming, and 0:03:24.960 --> 0:03:29.919 they were not. The legal questions that opposed here are 0:03:29.919 --> 0:03:32.920 really questions that are fundamental under the US Constitution, which 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:36.760 is a person safe from the government inside their own home. 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:40.480 Does a person have a basic right to defend themselves 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:41.680 inside their own. 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:45.080 Let me interrupt, just say a rob because so far 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.640 and this went to the Sixth District Court. Pellet courts 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.320 and like courts consistently found the use of deadly force 0:03:51.440 --> 0:03:52.080 was justified. 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:53.600 A pellic courts. 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:55.600 Found legitimate questions about what you're talking about, whether the 0:03:55.640 --> 0:03:57.000 warrantless entry was constitutional. 0:03:57.080 --> 0:03:57.840 Get that in a second. 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.080 But the Sixth Circuit Court said and saw evidence that 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:03.400 officers should have known they were entering a private residence, 0:04:03.440 --> 0:04:05.040 not a commoner. And that's that's a hang up here. 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.080 And so the city maintains the shooting itself was justified, 0:04:08.760 --> 0:04:11.120 and everyone agrees on the use of deadly force being appropriate. 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:14.040 So help me understand if it was justified, why is 0:04:14.040 --> 0:04:15.840 the city paying one point four five million. 0:04:17.360 --> 0:04:20.440 Well, you you're onto a very very subtle issue of 0:04:20.560 --> 0:04:24.600 law here, and you and but you're broadly right, but 0:04:24.839 --> 0:04:26.680 let me have let me add some color to that. 0:04:27.120 --> 0:04:29.240 The first call. Yes, the case has been the case 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:33.120 has been before. We've been litigating the case for about 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.000 for almost ten years. Yeah, we'll get back to that 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.440 about whether whether whether the city just rolled over easily 0:04:39.600 --> 0:04:42.599 settled on this. I'll take issues with that, okay. But 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:48.080 so the the city asserted qualified in news and that 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:51.800 the city asserted that these officers are immune. And the 0:04:51.839 --> 0:04:54.720 Sixth Circuit at the time held that in the in 0:04:54.760 --> 0:04:59.800 the light of where there is evidence that that a 0:05:00.080 --> 0:05:04.960 that that quandavior had a gun, that that posed reasonable 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:09.640 circumstances for an officer to use force to protect themselves. 0:05:10.120 --> 0:05:13.279 But but there's a but there's a bigger but there's 0:05:13.320 --> 0:05:16.160 a broader question, which is what are all the circumstances here? 0:05:16.160 --> 0:05:18.479 And the Supreme Court since the time, actually since the 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.760 time of those original rulings, it has has ruled and 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:25.680 has held that in cases like this, what the what 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:27.880 what the court needs to look at is the totality 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.599 of the circumstances and in that use of force. And 0:05:30.640 --> 0:05:33.960 that can include that can include think conduct that the 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:38.080 officer engages in leading up to the use of force, 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.200 which which may make it reasonable or may not. 0:05:41.360 --> 0:05:44.159 Okay, so they and we talked about yesterday, Rob Lineman. 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:49.440 The argument is this, so, as I understand from the narrative, here, 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:53.520 they get this nine one one call, so they have 0:05:53.560 --> 0:05:55.280 a duty to act. It's a nine one as well 0:05:55.279 --> 0:05:56.839 asn't just you know, a sneak and peak a no 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.200 knock warrant. It was a call for service. Uh so 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.400 a legitimate client neighbors said, hey, this guy pointed a 0:06:01.400 --> 0:06:04.200 gun at his threatin US with a deadly weapon. They 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:09.080 come in now. And so the entrances I understand it was. 0:06:09.880 --> 0:06:11.920 It's like a sight enth's kind of removed from the street. 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.480 It lacked multiple name plates and apartment numbers. I mean 0:06:15.520 --> 0:06:17.719 it's at night time too, I believe. Also, let's add 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:19.960 that in there the door had a couple of locks 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:23.039 of privacy curtains and security bars. It looked like a 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:25.520 private residence, but at the same time it felt like 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:27.160 it was a The officer thought it was a common era. 0:06:27.200 --> 0:06:28.919 If I saw the video last night and Hammrick did 0:06:28.960 --> 0:06:30.800 a great story out on five and you can kind 0:06:30.800 --> 0:06:33.200 of see there's a stairwell. He had an upstairs atic 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.479 apartment and comes down the stairs. And so at the 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:40.360 time they read it as a common area, which would 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.160 allow them a little bit of leeway as far as 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.000 entering entering the structure, not inside a house, but a 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:45.679 common area. 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:48.080 And that's really the crux and the debate of the case. 0:06:48.120 --> 0:06:53.680 Correct, that's that's again very you've you've you've done your 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:57.920 homework today, that's those are all those are all accurate. Yeah, 0:06:58.200 --> 0:07:02.080 the issue really was is this, if this were an 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:04.480 apartment building, let's say, let's let's let's let's split it 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:06.120 up that way. If this were an apartment building and 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:08.440 it was something in the nature of a lobby, that 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:12.000 was that where where traffic ordinarily was held, that would 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:15.840 be where people would would be commonly expected to go, 0:07:17.000 --> 0:07:19.040 and it was and if it was open to the public, 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:21.920 then a police officer could could have the right to 0:07:22.080 --> 0:07:25.040 or could could lawfully enter there. Let's put it that way. 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.280 This the circumstances here though, if you you know, if 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:32.280 you look at the place, if you look at the residents, 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.200 that is the subject. It just it looked like a 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:38.080 house from the front rightly. And so they went to 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.480 the door. They went to the side door, and they 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.640 knocked on the They knocked on the door, knocked one, 0:07:44.280 --> 0:07:47.640 no answer at the time of the second knock. When 0:07:47.720 --> 0:07:50.280 when when she knocked the second time, the door came 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:53.720 just slightly ajar And that is a although there was 0:07:53.800 --> 0:07:56.520 a lock on that door, one of the condavior's girlfriend 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.920 had actually just left the house. She was spending the 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:02.440 night there, but she left to go get something she 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:06.320 was she was gone. She had left open a door 0:08:06.400 --> 0:08:10.680 that is normally locked because she was coming specifically because 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:12.400 she was coming right back. She was just running down 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:14.400 to her house. She was down the road. 0:08:14.720 --> 0:08:20.520 But but but yeah, so then so the question the 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.280 property that they ended up entering is you know, it's 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.880 effectively a house. When you walk into this place, you 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.400 go up upstairs, and if you if you at the 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:30.280 top of the stairs, if you look to your right, 0:08:30.440 --> 0:08:32.640 there's a kitchen and a bathroom. And if you look 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:33.599 to your left. 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:35.760 There's a doorway that there's a there's a bedroom behind 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:38.679 one door, and there's a staircase that the doorway has 0:08:38.679 --> 0:08:41.280 a staircase that that you'd go up to, and that's 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:43.240 where his bedroom is. But in the whole place, there's 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.240 only one bedroom. Excuse me, there's only one bathroom. There's 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:48.440 only one kitchen in the space they were standing in, 0:08:48.800 --> 0:08:51.040 you know when when when they knocked on the door, 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:56.240 the place where Kwan Davior came walking down is where 0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:58.679 he would have had to walk past them to get 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.960 to the bathroom. Let's put it out. So this is 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:04.240 what the courts of appeals ended up saying in each 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:08.400 each time that under these circumstances where where you're standing outside, 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:10.679 where where there's only one basketball, there's only one kitchen, 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:13.080 there's no lock in between these doors once you're inside 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:15.240 that there was no door. There was no you know, 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:17.520 for example, the door that that they that they would 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:19.720 walk up to go to Fondiaver's room, it just didn't 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:21.880 have a lock on. It was just like the inside 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:26.720 hallway of your better But so it was a space 0:09:26.760 --> 0:09:31.240 that was clearly that was clearly living space. Now and 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:33.360 I should say all these all the facts, all the 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:35.600 opinions that we never had a trial in. 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:37.480 This case, all. 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:38.960 The fact that the that the court was, that the 0:09:39.000 --> 0:09:42.160 court was relying on the court of the both courts 0:09:42.280 --> 0:09:45.560 relied on were ones that were based on documentary, just 0:09:45.640 --> 0:09:48.719 pictures of the pictures of the play AffA Davis, from 0:09:48.760 --> 0:09:50.600 people who had been there, who knew that, who knew 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:51.000 the space. 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:55.400 Okay, Rob, let me deject because I'll be honest with you, 0:09:55.640 --> 0:09:59.439 I feel even more strongly that the city should have settled. 0:09:59.480 --> 0:10:02.880 Let's I know you' vehemently disagree. But so the expectation 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:04.800 is you get a nine to one one call. They're 0:10:04.800 --> 0:10:07.360 making a service run. There's a threat of an individual, 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:10.360 and that's not obviously that's not being challenged, the fact 0:10:10.400 --> 0:10:12.600 that Kwondevra Ticks had a gun, had a long gun. 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:15.440 They knock on the door, the door opens. 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.600 It's not like the officers had time to go, wow, 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:20.679 is this a private residence as an apartment? 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:22.240 And I don't know the nine one call. 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:24.079 Maybe the neighbors said, yeah, this guy lives in an 0:10:24.160 --> 0:10:27.040 upstairs apartment next door. Okay, great, they knock on the door, 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:30.880 the door opens, there's someone allegedly with a gun, So 0:10:30.920 --> 0:10:34.640 there's a duty there to prevent future homicides or shootings 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:37.000 from happening. They didn't have time to you know, call 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:39.320 a realtor or check, you know, go to the auditor's 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:41.600 website to find out what the what the situation was. 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:44.439 They just assumed wrongly that it was a multi unit 0:10:44.480 --> 0:10:48.679 building and went up the stairs. Isn't that in the 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.720 in the light of what happened here, what actually occurred, 0:10:51.800 --> 0:10:55.120 isn't that? Is that in an indefensible position though, I mean, 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:57.040 how are the cops to know, you know, what, what 0:10:57.080 --> 0:11:00.920 the whether it was a multi unit or single unit building. 0:11:01.040 --> 0:11:02.920 That's that's a tough call for cop to make in 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:03.760 the blank of an eye. 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:09.720 Yeah, but Scott, this is something that police officers need 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:11.320 to be trained on and needs to be able to 0:11:11.360 --> 0:11:13.400 make the right decision. And when it comes down to it, 0:11:13.800 --> 0:11:17.600 when if you're I'll just have to remind your audience 0:11:17.679 --> 0:11:20.400 it was eleven thirty at night. Where you go walking 0:11:20.480 --> 0:11:23.920 into someone's house at eleven thirty at night, and the 0:11:23.960 --> 0:11:26.600 circumstances here are that you're right. There's a nine to 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:30.040 one call in which the somebody has complained about Kwandavier 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:33.280 identified them as a suspect. Those facts, the fact they alleged, 0:11:33.440 --> 0:11:38.360 ultimately fall apart when when invested with. So they're relying 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:42.200 on a third hand witness, and you're suggesting that they 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:45.080 should they should just win if in doubt, they walk 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.800 into someone's house. This house was dark, it was eleven 0:11:47.920 --> 0:11:51.360 thirty at night, and they did not announce themselves as 0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:54.800 police officers. So a person in that position, and the 0:11:54.920 --> 0:11:59.199 US Supreme Court has ruled on it that the police officers. 0:11:59.559 --> 0:12:02.240 Part of the reason that the Fourth Amendment protects against 0:12:02.360 --> 0:12:06.160 unwarranted envisions of the home is to protect police officers 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:10.200 because it is foreseeable the police officers that invade in 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:13.559 the dark of night will be faced with armed resistance, 0:12:13.600 --> 0:12:15.600 will be faced with people who think they have to 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:18.320 defend their homes. And in that circumstance, we can't just 0:12:18.400 --> 0:12:23.000 have police officers creating that situation. And then, but isn't it. 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:25.040 Reasonable though, for the officers to think, Okay, this is 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:27.440 a multi unit building. I'm walking and basically I'm walking 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:29.880 into a lobby. Do you have to announce yourself if 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:31.400 you walk into the lobby of the building. 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.600 If you were, it might really be different if this 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:37.800 were a lobby of the building, it might be different. 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.600 I mean, it's very poort honestly has found cases where 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.640 there were common spaces where it wasn't justified for them 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:47.440 to enter there. So it's a very it's an entry, 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.160 it's a case. It's a determination that is made very 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:52.800 much on our case by case basis. But the real 0:12:52.840 --> 0:12:56.520 principle that that stake here is that the officer, in 0:12:56.600 --> 0:12:59.040 order to keep themselves safe, in order to keep the 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:03.520 people safe, to just exercise uh that when in doubt, 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:06.320 you don't walk into somebody's house. I mean, and this 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:09.200 is just a situation that has repeated itself and repeated 0:13:09.240 --> 0:13:13.679 itself over the course of history. When when you it 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:17.000 is is it is to be expected that people who 0:13:17.120 --> 0:13:20.520 don't who don't know what they're dealing to, think there's 0:13:20.520 --> 0:13:22.920 an intruder in their home, are going to respond forcefully. 0:13:23.280 --> 0:13:26.600 And so that's why, Look, we get back to a 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:28.960 big one of the huge aditions in the case was 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:33.319 just how how an officer is trained and how they 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.760 respond to the circumstances and what's the right determination because 0:13:36.800 --> 0:13:39.040 this wasn't Look, you're right, there was a nine to 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:42.760 one one fault, but they didn't even that's that person. 0:13:42.400 --> 0:13:46.319 The person couldn't tell them where he lived. They didn't 0:13:46.320 --> 0:13:50.680 know there, so they were they were, they were largely 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:55.240 flying on incomplete information. But based on that they made 0:13:55.280 --> 0:13:57.880 that they made just a couple of mistakes which compounded 0:13:57.880 --> 0:14:01.760 themselves and created a deadly situation, when if they had 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:08.160 simply waited at the door outside, eventually the situation would 0:14:08.200 --> 0:14:08.920 have resolved him. 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.880 Well, But again that's that's hindsight though, right, that the 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:14.040 girlfriend would have came back, or maybe Hicks would have 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:16.880 came down. But if you got a call, is it 0:14:16.960 --> 0:14:19.560 does it change though? Simply because the edded twist is 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:22.360 the fact that you had an aggravated medicine call, meaning 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:25.200 that that individual who had threatened, allegedly threatened the neighbors 0:14:25.440 --> 0:14:28.120 had a gun. And so if an officer knows that 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:31.960 it goes into a situation, does that change the fact 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.360 that they entered what they thought was a common area, going, hey, 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:35.800 we got a guy with a gun. We don't know 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:37.640 what his intense are. He could wind up, you know, 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:40.040 shooting people in this building, shooting from the window. We 0:14:40.040 --> 0:14:41.880 don't know at this point, and you know, we'd be 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:44.360 if they had simply walked away and said, well, we 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.160 can't go in there. Who know, you know, for since 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.400 we're playing the hindsight in they this person could have 0:14:49.400 --> 0:14:51.760 went and shot some other people or innocent folks or 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:55.000 something along those lines. It seems reasonable. It seems like 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:57.320 the entirely thing, the approach of the office seems reasonable. 0:14:57.360 --> 0:14:58.720 I think if I were on a jury, I'd say 0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:01.240 it seems reasonable that they would walk in there because they. 0:15:01.200 --> 0:15:02.240 Had a call with the guy with a gun. 0:15:03.920 --> 0:15:06.920 Well, but that I would turn that fact and look 0:15:06.960 --> 0:15:09.320 at it from exactly the other side. If the officers 0:15:09.400 --> 0:15:13.000 knew that there's that that this person might legitimately be 0:15:13.840 --> 0:15:17.280 might be armed, right, then that's that's the reason to 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:20.760 be all the more cautious and in particular to respond 0:15:20.880 --> 0:15:25.480 because if if this, if the suspects believe that there's 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:28.280 somebody who might be coming after right, the complaint from 0:15:28.320 --> 0:15:30.520 the nine one one callar was we had an argument, 0:15:30.560 --> 0:15:32.640 we had a dispute with this person, right and that 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.120 and and he's threatened us. So we know that this 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:37.200 person is on edge. We know that the person we're 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:40.240 looking for is it might be expecting trouble, and so 0:15:40.600 --> 0:15:44.160 at that point, why not announce we are police? Officers. 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:47.080 Why not let him know who he's dealing with, so 0:15:47.120 --> 0:15:49.880 that behind that door, when when when he opened that 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:53.120 door to the interior of his home, he knows that 0:15:53.200 --> 0:15:56.120 it is a police officer and not not a person 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:59.520 who might seek to do him harm. So you're there 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:01.480 are a couple layers of this, and one is did 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.680 they did they enter the house correctly? But and then 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.680 the second is why didn't they just let him know? 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.520 Why didn't they announce that that they are police officers 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:12.240 and not intruders? Not the very person who called nine 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.440 to one one? Who who who by the way, had 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:19.240 just you know this, this the nine one one caller, 0:16:19.320 --> 0:16:23.120 We should know who? Again his allegations, he specifically told 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:26.120 him he didn't. I'll correct you one one, okay, you 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:28.560 can tell him that they had a guy that that 0:16:28.640 --> 0:16:32.640 condavior had a gun in the situation that he threatened 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:35.240 them with a gun, but they knew he had guns 0:16:35.280 --> 0:16:38.480 in the house, gotcha. So if you're a police officer 0:16:40.400 --> 0:16:42.840 and you know you're walking up to somebody who's keyed up, 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:46.960 that's why that was our whole point in the circumstance. 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:49.720 Would have would have counseled for them to let him 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:52.720 know who they were, and that would have look if 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:54.960 he'd come down to the bottom, just to the exterior 0:16:55.000 --> 0:16:56.680 of the door. There's a window at that door. He 0:16:56.720 --> 0:16:59.840 opens the curtain, he looked outside, he sees police officers. 0:17:00.760 --> 0:17:02.640 If he had his gun in his hand at that time, 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:04.840 he's coming to his actual door, which he knows has 0:17:04.880 --> 0:17:07.240 a lock on it. He sets the gun aside, he said, 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:09.600 he comes out, he talks to the police officers, or 0:17:09.640 --> 0:17:11.080 maybe he doesn't do anything at all. 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.879 Well maybe also maybe I don't know, maybe he decides 0:17:13.920 --> 0:17:16.320 he wants to shoot the police officer too. We don't Again, 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:17.960 we can play that, can we just we don't know. 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:20.879 But it's a settled issue, largely because the officer had 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.320 retired at that point and this thing had been dragged 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:25.639 out long enough. But I'm way over time. But I 0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.000 appreciate your so much. Rob Lindham, an attorney for the 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:30.360 We could I probably talk about this for hours, right, 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:34.040 but it's closed, and I mean there's closed at the 0:17:34.080 --> 0:17:36.159 end of the day. Whether you agreed disagree, there's closure 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:36.679 for the family. 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:37.199 We move on. 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:39.960 Rob Lindham, an attorney at law, Thanks so much for 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:42.000 coming back on the show. I really appreciate it and 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:43.320 very interesting discussion. 0:17:44.440 --> 0:17:46.640 Scott, thank you for the invitation. I appreciate all the best. 0:17:46.640 --> 0:17:48.159 Be well, I'm a get a time out. And so 0:17:48.160 --> 0:17:49.760 what do you think on the cop side or on 0:17:49.760 --> 0:17:51.800 the Hicks family side? You heard the narrative of what 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:55.000 went on. I'm even more strongly on the cop side 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.160 after this one five, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand 0:17:57.160 --> 0:17:59.160 and eight or the big one talk back iHeartRadio app 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.200 We'll get your calls and your thoughts. Just ahead, Sloaney 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:06.040 on seven hundred WWT. Here we go, fac Scott Flows Show, 0:18:06.080 --> 0:18:10.919 seven hundred WLW. Get some snow up north a little bit, 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:13.679 huh if you're driving on that stuff, I get it. 0:18:13.760 --> 0:18:14.240 I get it. 0:18:14.720 --> 0:18:16.919 I just haad on if you missed it too, and 0:18:16.920 --> 0:18:20.080 can catch it with the podcast after the show and 0:18:20.200 --> 0:18:23.520 download it at your leisure. I just had to Ken 0:18:23.560 --> 0:18:26.520 Lindaman Ken as the attorney for the kwandavior Hicks family. 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.160 As you know, I was talking about this yesterday, and 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:32.160 if you're listening yesterday, thank you. Secondly, at the very 0:18:32.240 --> 0:18:34.600 end of the segment, as I was talking about us 0:18:34.640 --> 0:18:36.800 and being the city of Cincinnati, if you're a taxpayer 0:18:37.640 --> 0:18:43.720 paying off settling cases, and you know, it's We've had 0:18:43.720 --> 0:18:45.440 a steady diet of this stuff and I think, you know, 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:47.800 enough crumbs you make a loaf, and all of a 0:18:47.840 --> 0:18:49.600 sudden you start adding these things up. And it's a 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:52.439 lot of money. We doled out eight over eight million 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:59.560 dollars for the protesters during the George Floyd affair where 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:03.320 individuals are coming to Cincinnati or from Cincinnati and uh, 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.680 we're protesting, and you know, essentially there's a curfew you 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.280 put in place eventually, and they broke curfew and if 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:12.879 you break the law, you get arrested. That is that 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.440 should be a given right. It's like, okay, well we listen. 0:19:15.520 --> 0:19:17.960 You can protest, but you can do what you want. 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.000 You can do everything you want. You simply just can't 0:19:20.040 --> 0:19:23.120 run the show. And I think this is more true 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:27.000 today than ever as we look at what's happening in Minnesota. Now, 0:19:27.040 --> 0:19:29.560 whatever you think about what's happening with ice agents and 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:32.840 the like, you know, I have a problem shre with 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.960 with masked agents and you know what essentially looks like 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.959 the military kicking indoors and alike. And you know they 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:40.520 did one the other day where there it wasn't even 0:19:40.520 --> 0:19:42.920 a warrant, it was signed by some sort of administrator. 0:19:42.920 --> 0:19:45.080 You can't do that. That's not constitutional. We have rules. 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.520 At the same time, I totally would expect people to 0:19:48.640 --> 0:19:52.040 be up in arms and protesting, especially in a left leaning, 0:19:52.040 --> 0:19:54.280 a liberal progressive state like Minnesota, You're going to have 0:19:54.320 --> 0:19:58.320 that happen. And you know, if you are so offended, 0:19:58.359 --> 0:20:00.320 you should take to the streets and you should pro test. 0:20:00.359 --> 0:20:03.200 But just knowing the fact that, well, like this most 0:20:03.200 --> 0:20:06.280 recent shooting we had, if you attack a law enforcement 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:11.439 officer with a shovel, you're gonna get shot. 0:20:11.800 --> 0:20:15.560 You probably should get shot. That crawls and say, okay, 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:16.520 I'm protesting. 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:18.800 But when you start doing that, when you you know, 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:21.560 again we don't know the entire story about what happened 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:24.120 that trigger this whole thing, But if you're in there 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:28.520 interfering with whether you think it's legitimate or not law 0:20:28.560 --> 0:20:31.560 enforcement acting the way they are, it's going to be 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:34.159 a long day for you. Just that that you simply 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:38.080 can you know, go in assault police officers or tempt 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:40.919 to sell police officers and get away with it, because 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.680 if it's not that's not protected by the First Amendment, 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:45.480 that is not you don't have a legal right to 0:20:45.760 --> 0:20:49.400 attack a police officer. You just simply don't nor block 0:20:49.440 --> 0:20:51.639 traffic or whatever it is. And at some point the 0:20:51.680 --> 0:20:53.879 facts that this will come out. And it's pretty hairy 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:56.600 right now. I understand that. But is it any different 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:59.440 that we're talking about in these situations here locally in Cincinnati. 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:01.600 If you're out there protesting and you get locked up 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:04.280 and it's a hot summer day, and you go, well, 0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:06.240 wait a minute, I forgot to bring my medication with me. 0:21:06.280 --> 0:21:08.600 Wait a minute, I don't have any bottle of water. 0:21:08.640 --> 0:21:10.760 Wait a minute, I got to There's eight hundred of 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:12.639 us and we're held in a sally part waiting to 0:21:12.680 --> 0:21:13.320 be processed. 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:15.280 No system is set up to do that. 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:17.920 And I know lawyers would argue that, but that's the 0:21:18.000 --> 0:21:19.880 nature of lawyers is to try and argue and get money, 0:21:19.920 --> 0:21:22.120 and they do and that's how our system works. Fine, 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:24.119 I'm good with that, but you know, careful what you 0:21:24.160 --> 0:21:26.480 wish for. You might just get it, okay, if you 0:21:26.920 --> 0:21:30.320 really are that, if you're trying to be I guess 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:34.800 maybe Martin Luther King Junior incarnate with MLK Day coming up. 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:37.919 I mean, he suffered tremendously for what he believed in 0:21:38.000 --> 0:21:40.600 but did it peacefully and marched, and you know, we 0:21:40.640 --> 0:21:42.679 saw he changed history for sure. But I just I 0:21:42.680 --> 0:21:44.400 wonder if he's kind of giving you some side eye 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:46.399 right now, going, oh my god, you didn't have a 0:21:46.400 --> 0:21:49.440 bottle of water. And so now we're going to file 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:51.600 a lawsuit against the city of Cincinnata. In the case 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:55.200 of Minnesota's like, Okay, we think it's unjust, and we're 0:21:55.200 --> 0:21:57.280 going to march in protest. But when you start attacking 0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:59.760 police officers, no good is going to come out of that. 0:22:01.359 --> 0:22:03.240 And then it just gets toy out crowd more while 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.320 it's like you're entitled to be able to do whatever 0:22:05.320 --> 0:22:06.919 the hell you want when there's a cop there, and 0:22:06.920 --> 0:22:10.440 that's not how it should work. But I mentioned the 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:12.679 eight million dollar settlement. I mentioned what's going on with 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:16.520 Ryan Hinton and the allegations by Ken Kober the FOP 0:22:17.440 --> 0:22:19.639 that the city's going to wind up giving this family 0:22:19.680 --> 0:22:23.439 some money even though the officers were completely justified in 0:22:23.520 --> 0:22:28.359 shooting Ryan Hinton. Now in this case, we're talking about 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:30.200 the late this one, so I'm not kind of lumped 0:22:30.200 --> 0:22:33.000 them together. Yesterday Kwandavia Hicks shot and killed by police 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:35.280 in this North Side apartment in twenty fifteen, long time ago, 0:22:36.200 --> 0:22:37.120 so it's hard to go back. 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:39.080 But in the case that Rob. 0:22:38.920 --> 0:22:41.119 Lindeman and I enjoyed having him on the show this morning, 0:22:41.320 --> 0:22:44.359 was outlining is I'm even more set in my ways 0:22:44.400 --> 0:22:47.040 about going It seemed like it was. The entry was 0:22:47.119 --> 0:22:51.800 just No one is disputing the fact that officers were 0:22:51.880 --> 0:22:56.199 justified in shooting and killing Kwandevera Hicks shooting him was 0:22:56.280 --> 0:22:58.159 justified every court so upheld that. But the argument he 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:00.359 had was that, Okay, it's kind of like a side 0:23:00.359 --> 0:23:03.720 door apartment and the door was open and they walked 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:07.040 in because they had a complaint. The CONDEVI Hicks threatened 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:12.080 the lives of neighbors with a gun. And so when 0:23:12.080 --> 0:23:15.760 I hear that, I go, that's a clear and present danger. 0:23:15.800 --> 0:23:15.960 Right. 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:18.159 Maybe that's the wrong term to use here legally, but 0:23:18.200 --> 0:23:20.840 I'm not an attorney, and I hear that and go, 0:23:21.320 --> 0:23:24.359 is it reasonable if you're in the shoes of the cop. Okay, 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:25.760 I get a call there's a guy with a gun. 0:23:27.359 --> 0:23:28.960 All right, where's he live? We're kind of sure it's 0:23:28.960 --> 0:23:30.800 this house over here. Okay, we think this is the house. 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:33.280 It's dark, it's eleven thirty at night. He god to 0:23:33.359 --> 0:23:35.760 go to the side entrance and the door. They knock 0:23:35.760 --> 0:23:39.960 on the door and the door swings open. It was unlocked. Okay, 0:23:40.560 --> 0:23:44.679 we think that the suspect is in here based on 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:47.880 the information that we have, and it looks like okay, 0:23:47.920 --> 0:23:50.840 there's some stairs and there's a door upstairs, and you know, 0:23:50.880 --> 0:23:54.680 maybe it looks like an apartment. I mean, I guess 0:23:54.680 --> 0:23:58.800 you're expecting with hindsight being what it is, that officers 0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:01.399 at eleven thirty at night where they radio run a 0:24:01.440 --> 0:24:04.639 dispatch call for them for a call for service, that 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:06.879 there's an individual possibly with a gun. We know he 0:24:06.920 --> 0:24:10.000 has access to firearms, so we're guarded, we're cautions. So 0:24:10.119 --> 0:24:12.600 here a threat neighbors. Are we going to stop a 0:24:12.760 --> 0:24:16.560 possible homicide or let's play said a mass shooting could 0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:22.680 be we don't know. All right, doors open, we walk in. Yeah, 0:24:22.720 --> 0:24:25.320 we didn't announce ourselves because there may be somebody with 0:24:25.359 --> 0:24:28.080 a gun and maybe we wants to take a look here. 0:24:28.240 --> 0:24:30.359 And we also think that it's a common area. Like 0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:33.840 for example, if you go ino a place I don't 0:24:33.840 --> 0:24:36.560 know and entrance of any building and it's a common area, 0:24:37.119 --> 0:24:39.320 you know, typically you're not gonna identify yourself because you 0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:41.240 think it's a common area. I think it's just the 0:24:41.280 --> 0:24:42.520 fact of the matter is that you know, we can 0:24:42.520 --> 0:24:43.720 go back in time and look at it, and the 0:24:43.720 --> 0:24:45.440 cops are like, well, you should have known it. Well, 0:24:45.440 --> 0:24:47.560 how would you know that? Have you had multiple calls 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:49.200 as residents? Do you need to go look on the 0:24:49.280 --> 0:24:52.040 auditor's site to see just here? Do you need to 0:24:52.080 --> 0:24:54.840 call a realtor the landlord to be No, because there's 0:24:54.840 --> 0:24:57.520 someone with a gun in there? Just doesn't seem to 0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:00.560 me to be it seems reasonable for the officers did 0:25:00.560 --> 0:25:00.879 what they did. 0:25:00.960 --> 0:25:01.760 I guess if fire and. 0:25:01.760 --> 0:25:05.879 A jury, and obviously this didn't come to a jury, 0:25:05.920 --> 0:25:07.320 but if fireing a jury, I would look at it 0:25:07.359 --> 0:25:09.440 that way, going yeah, And I would think most jurors 0:25:09.480 --> 0:25:12.119 would probably go yeah. And you know, blanket and I 0:25:12.240 --> 0:25:15.360 considering the circumstances, dead and night, guy with a gun. 0:25:15.720 --> 0:25:18.600 The door was opened, We walked in unannounced, and then 0:25:18.760 --> 0:25:22.280 we look upstairs and he points the gun down at us. Okay, 0:25:22.320 --> 0:25:24.520 maybe and I could see condever Hicks side of it. 0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:25.960 Maybe he didn't think the police are coming. 0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:26.080 All. 0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:27.639 I would say, if you threaten some with a gun 0:25:28.040 --> 0:25:30.080 and somebody is knocking at your door. Do you think 0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:32.720 it's someone there to shoot you? It's the neighbor's shooting you. Possibly, 0:25:34.640 --> 0:25:35.920 But of course when you open the door and it's 0:25:36.000 --> 0:25:39.800 cops at that moment, maybe you go my, you know, 0:25:40.000 --> 0:25:42.199 because there was a struggle for the gun. Even the 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:43.840 mom said, well, why didn't they just drag him out 0:25:43.840 --> 0:25:45.640 of the head they grabbed the gun. They well, why 0:25:45.640 --> 0:25:49.359 didn't they drag him out? Well, because it's a gun, 0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:51.520 and that escalas thing too while we're going to defend 0:25:51.520 --> 0:25:54.159 ourselves with our with our weapons. But I guess the 0:25:54.240 --> 0:25:56.919 question would be, why wouldn't Quandevera Hicks just simply have 0:25:57.000 --> 0:25:59.879 surrendered at that point. It's not like he, you know, 0:26:00.080 --> 0:26:01.879 pointed the gun through the door, around the door and 0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:04.840 blindly shot because he thought there's intruders. It's kind of 0:26:04.880 --> 0:26:07.960 like what happened in with Brandon Taylor in Louisville, right 0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:11.080 the officers shot into a dark building. She and she thought, okay, 0:26:11.119 --> 0:26:13.160 maybe it's a home invasion. I didn't know their police officer, 0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.879 police detectives that that's legitimate in this case, Like you 0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:19.320 saw that their uniform three police three or four uniformed 0:26:19.320 --> 0:26:21.720 police officers said, why wouldn't you stop doing what you're doing. 0:26:23.480 --> 0:26:26.720 And so you know, based on that, I look at it, 0:26:26.760 --> 0:26:29.120 go wow. I think after that conversation, I'm even more 0:26:29.640 --> 0:26:31.760 inclined to think the cops are right here and then 0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:33.680 question why we settled this whole thing. And that's the 0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:36.320 crux of this is I put out yesterday they have 0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:38.520 like an eight nine million dollar budget of the law 0:26:38.560 --> 0:26:40.760 Department of Cincinnati does And you know, if you have 0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:42.960 lawyers on staff, you're already paying for this kind of 0:26:43.040 --> 0:26:45.240 like a lawyer and retainer. I'm already the meeters already run, 0:26:45.240 --> 0:26:47.119 I'm already paying I might as well. I might as 0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:49.840 well use you I got on. Do you see it 0:26:49.880 --> 0:26:51.920 the cops way or do you see it on the 0:26:52.000 --> 0:26:53.920 Hicks family side of thing? Five one, three, seven, four, 0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:56.280 nine seven eight, hund the big one. It's talked back 0:26:56.320 --> 0:26:59.959 on the iHeart radio app but it and to me, 0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:02.800 it's just like, okay, well it's gone on for ten 0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:05.560 years and maybe you know, this is a bad example 0:27:05.560 --> 0:27:07.480 for me to throw in there as far as what's 0:27:07.480 --> 0:27:10.280 happening with Ryan Hinton and maybe paying that family off 0:27:10.359 --> 0:27:13.440 or and we should totally fight that one. The eight 0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:15.879 million dollars for the Cincinnati protesters. I don't know what 0:27:15.960 --> 0:27:18.200 the hell we're thinking there, and this one kind of 0:27:18.240 --> 0:27:21.000 got lumped in, and maybe there's a little different nuance 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:23.600 with this one, but I don't know. I tend to 0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:25.520 look at it going yeah, I could see in the 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:27.359 blink of an eye, CoP's getting it right, and the 0:27:27.480 --> 0:27:29.240 use of force was justified. On top of this, this 0:27:29.240 --> 0:27:32.080 seems even less of a standard for them, And I 0:27:32.119 --> 0:27:34.320 think it's a legitimate question in Cincinnati where you ask, 0:27:34.640 --> 0:27:36.359 all right, if we keep doing this and just paying 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:38.960 people off, even though it was ten years, are we 0:27:39.000 --> 0:27:41.680 just encouraging moreless behavior. And I'm probably the answer would 0:27:41.680 --> 0:27:45.320 be yes, I understand this. This went on a long 0:27:45.359 --> 0:27:48.120 long time, ten years. And even the cop in this case, 0:27:48.200 --> 0:27:51.639 the female cop that shot, she's since retired. And so 0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:54.040 now you're playing this game where you know, witnesses don't 0:27:54.040 --> 0:27:56.600 remember stuff, the cops are tired it. You know how 0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:58.119 long we're going to drag this thing out? Maybe just 0:27:58.160 --> 0:27:59.720 said okay, in this case, we write a check for 0:27:59.760 --> 0:28:02.160 a million and a half and you know, we call 0:28:02.200 --> 0:28:05.359 it a day. No assumption of guilt whatsoever, but we 0:28:05.480 --> 0:28:09.480 just settled and that's it. I don't know, maybe maybe anyway, 0:28:09.760 --> 0:28:11.239 I'll maybe get some calls in this one and your 0:28:11.240 --> 0:28:12.880 thoughts and if you heard this yesterday, because he called 0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:14.320 late yesterday. I wanted to give him a little bit 0:28:14.359 --> 0:28:17.520 more time to discuss that because I think it's just 0:28:17.560 --> 0:28:20.199 such a damn interesting case and how this whole thing 0:28:20.200 --> 0:28:22.000 played out, because it wasn't about whether the use of 0:28:22.000 --> 0:28:24.040 force was justified, because it was it was whether or 0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:27.679 not the cops should have walked into that building. And 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.480 you have a right in your own home to protect 0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:32.919 yourself from intruders, and if cop, you have to have 0:28:32.960 --> 0:28:35.720 a warrant for search. But I don't know this one 0:28:35.920 --> 0:28:40.080 is different because you had a legitimate threat that was 0:28:40.120 --> 0:28:44.560 happening at that particular moment, and police have a dudey 0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:47.120 to respond to a search warrant if there's a probable call, 0:28:47.280 --> 0:28:49.160 right the probable cause of him having a gun and 0:28:49.280 --> 0:28:51.200 threatening people, and we've got to make sure that he 0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:53.840 doesn't do that to me. That kind of out weighs 0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:55.400 what we're talking about here. But a million and a 0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.360 half dollars or are a budget not that much money? 0:28:58.480 --> 0:28:59.959 I will say, we just keep doing this and doing 0:29:00.040 --> 0:29:02.160 and those are peers that we keep settling and settling 0:29:02.200 --> 0:29:06.240 and what we're just gonna give everybody money now that 0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:07.080 has an issue with us. 0:29:07.080 --> 0:29:08.400 I don't understand anyway. 0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:10.480 We'll get more of that quick time out and more 0:29:10.480 --> 0:29:12.920 to follow here Scott's Loland back and forth seven hundred ww. 0:29:14.680 --> 0:29:18.800 You know who should never drove a car again? Cam 0:29:18.840 --> 0:29:23.719 Taylor Britt. I remember was it on the sixth? I 0:29:23.720 --> 0:29:27.400 think whatever it was that he was out driving around 0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:28.720 and you know, flying up and down the streets and 0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:31.920 stuff like outside of twice or And now he is 0:29:32.000 --> 0:29:35.240 back in the news because video just came out back 0:29:35.240 --> 0:29:38.960 in November on Scott Street and Covington about three o'clock, 0:29:39.000 --> 0:29:42.560 three thirty in the morning on November twelfth, Cam Taylor 0:29:42.600 --> 0:29:45.520 Britt was a passenger in a car that accelerated a 0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:49.880 high rate of speed and flipped over on Scott Street 0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:52.400 and we're undo a parked Chevy and flipped over and 0:29:52.480 --> 0:29:54.000 everything was okay. Now the very next day of the 0:29:54.080 --> 0:29:55.880 next game, there's a game the next day. He was 0:29:56.040 --> 0:29:58.880 the end of the season enng injury. One would have 0:29:58.960 --> 0:30:01.600 to think, is there a relationship between that accident, the 0:30:01.680 --> 0:30:03.880 rollover action he was in the night before, and the 0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:07.280 injury that happened on game day. If that's the case, 0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.240 some of the Bengals looking to avoid in that contract. 0:30:10.000 --> 0:30:12.760 But this is a dude who pled guilty on the 0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:16.880 sixth of January to driving with restricted license reckless driving, 0:30:18.280 --> 0:30:20.480 and this one was a passenger and someone driving recklessly. 0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:22.240 See a pattern here, I certainly do. 0:30:22.400 --> 0:30:22.720 I do. 0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:25.000 There's some people it's just like you should not be 0:30:25.080 --> 0:30:26.160 driving anymore. 0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:27.160 We're good, We're good. 0:30:27.480 --> 0:30:30.840 Let me get to Columbus and Sherry on the Scotsland 0:30:30.840 --> 0:30:32.800 Show on seven hundred w W how's everything on the 0:30:32.800 --> 0:30:35.640 sea bus? 0:30:35.960 --> 0:30:40.280 Well, we're getting poorer and poorer here. They're forcing us 0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:42.440 to do a lot of stuff as tax payers, and 0:30:43.480 --> 0:30:48.920 my property taxes never go down because they're funding a 0:30:49.280 --> 0:30:54.680 very I would call Marxist agenda agenda. And our mayor 0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:59.800 is of Shaker and they're the Shakers are socialists. 0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:02.080 Yeah, he was very socialists. 0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:04.320 But anyway, well, at the same time, I mean, it's 0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:06.320 also what the voters want to intend to be a 0:31:06.320 --> 0:31:07.840 little bit more progressive in Columbus. 0:31:07.880 --> 0:31:09.320 In Cincinnati, I. 0:31:09.280 --> 0:31:11.280 Had not I mean, I had no idea. 0:31:11.520 --> 0:31:15.760 There was no one here that every single person believed 0:31:15.760 --> 0:31:17.560 in this. I mean, it's terrible. 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:19.120 What do you think about what do you think about 0:31:19.160 --> 0:31:21.880 paying off the paying off in this case I was 0:31:21.880 --> 0:31:26.640 talking about quit the case I was talking about here 0:31:26.680 --> 0:31:30.760 in Cincinnati, Quandavior Hicks, but the other ones, and I'm 0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:32.240 sure you guys have a pattern too. It's just like 0:31:32.280 --> 0:31:34.880 we just keep paying people off, and you know there 0:31:34.880 --> 0:31:36.720 are times you're gonna have to settle and then it's 0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:38.800 it's right in just maybe this case it is because 0:31:38.800 --> 0:31:41.200 it's gone on for ten years. But the pattern is like, well, 0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:43.560 it's not our money, We'll just continue to give it out. 0:31:45.080 --> 0:31:47.680 Yes, was that a nine to one one call? 0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:50.400 I didn't Yeah, somebody had. 0:31:50.360 --> 0:31:50.960 Called a neighbor. 0:31:50.960 --> 0:31:53.640 He had threatened, So I guess neighbors. And the neighbors 0:31:53.680 --> 0:31:56.840 had something stolen and they either suspected or saw Hicks 0:31:56.840 --> 0:31:58.840 do it, and they said, hey, you know what we 0:31:58.920 --> 0:32:00.880 saw you still in it. So he threatened them with 0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:04.280 a gun and then then they called nine one one. 0:32:05.640 --> 0:32:08.840 Yeah, if it's a nine one one call, I'm sorry, 0:32:08.960 --> 0:32:11.360 with a deadly weapon, they have time to get a 0:32:11.480 --> 0:32:16.040 search warrant. This case cannot this can't this can't be. 0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:20.160 This cannot stand. If they're gonna if they're gonna win, right, 0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:23.800 because you don't have time to get a search warrant. 0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:27.440 You've got to respond to an emergency. So I just 0:32:27.680 --> 0:32:31.040 I don't think that they should be paid now, Absolutely not. 0:32:31.560 --> 0:32:33.720 Yeah, I thank you. 0:32:33.800 --> 0:32:35.880 I appreciate you listening up in the Columbus being well sherey, 0:32:35.880 --> 0:32:36.800 thanks for checking in this morning. 0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:39.040 Five one three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand. That's awesome. 0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:43.000 Uh we it's not like you know, cops don't make mistakes. 0:32:43.040 --> 0:32:45.640 I admit that we've seen plenty of that happen in 0:32:45.640 --> 0:32:48.600 the past, right, and we will be waiting for the 0:32:48.640 --> 0:32:51.600 foreseeable future about what's happening with icy just in this country, 0:32:51.600 --> 0:32:55.000 particularly in Minnesota, whether that's just what we want that 0:32:55.360 --> 0:32:57.360 we'll decide that there's voters, right, I mean, how far, 0:32:57.480 --> 0:32:59.840 what how far do we want government agents to go, 0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:03.920 especially federal government agents. It's a legitimate question now, attacking 0:33:04.040 --> 0:33:08.880 police officers with shovels and cars, you're gonna you know again, 0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:12.960 you keep doing stuff like that and thinking that's somehow 0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:16.320 justified to physically attack law enforcement officers. You're gonna see 0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:20.720 more people shot. You can't do that. That's not how 0:33:20.760 --> 0:33:23.640 it works, not how it works at all. But I'm 0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:25.560 sure I know on Minnesota. I wonder if the fedsil 0:33:25.600 --> 0:33:27.800 went up settling some of these cases that I guess 0:33:27.920 --> 0:33:30.640 I probably are going to get litigated sivil. I'm sure 0:33:30.680 --> 0:33:33.080 the case of the woman who was killed, a woman 0:33:33.080 --> 0:33:34.960 who shot that started this whole thing's gonna for sure, 0:33:35.040 --> 0:33:37.000 Van Delia, Steve, you're on the Scott'sland shoke. 0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:40.160 Morning, Good morning Scott. How you doing. I'm doing well, 0:33:40.280 --> 0:33:41.600 trying to stay warm. How about you. 0:33:42.800 --> 0:33:44.040 Trying to stay warm myself? 0:33:44.000 --> 0:33:44.520 I hear you. 0:33:45.840 --> 0:33:50.400 In regards to the protests or to the payments that 0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:55.360 the city has made out, particularly the protesters, since this 0:33:55.600 --> 0:33:58.320 was public money, I mean in the Hicks in the 0:33:58.400 --> 0:34:01.120 hitting cases, we know where the money is going. Has 0:34:01.120 --> 0:34:04.840 there ever been a list published as to where these 0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:08.560 protesters where those checks are being sent to, because I 0:34:08.560 --> 0:34:11.200 think it'd be very interesting to find out whether these 0:34:11.200 --> 0:34:15.080 are people with Ohio address or whether these are people 0:34:15.120 --> 0:34:19.000 with California, or Illinois or Massachusetts address. 0:34:19.160 --> 0:34:20.799 I saw the list, and there are a number of 0:34:20.840 --> 0:34:23.000 them from out of state, and spend such a long 0:34:23.040 --> 0:34:24.759 time and I didn't have time to look it up. 0:34:24.800 --> 0:34:25.600 I apologize. 0:34:26.480 --> 0:34:29.240 I know there were Cincinnatians on there, but a remarkable 0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:31.799 number of people who are from not the Cincinnati right now. 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:33.560 You could have people from the suburbs and elsewhere, and 0:34:33.560 --> 0:34:36.280 you certainly have every right to go somewhere and protest 0:34:36.320 --> 0:34:38.040 if you so wish. But I think I can read 0:34:38.040 --> 0:34:40.520 between logic questioners. Are these people just showing up to 0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:43.560 every protest? And if so, is this how they make 0:34:43.600 --> 0:34:45.600 their money? Are they getting funded from somewhere else? And 0:34:45.640 --> 0:34:48.239 there's a distinct possibility that that may be occurring. But 0:34:48.840 --> 0:34:50.400 you know, I think that gets overblown. I think a 0:34:50.440 --> 0:34:53.640 lot of this is just people who are looking for 0:34:53.840 --> 0:34:56.759 something to be angry. I didn't I've never been out 0:34:56.760 --> 0:34:59.640 set where I would travel to another city to protest something. 0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:03.640 I've not gotten to that point yet. How about you, Well, no, 0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:04.919 I would not do that either. 0:35:04.960 --> 0:35:07.960 But I also think another interesting point in I think 0:35:08.000 --> 0:35:12.200 we've established the fact that there are professional protesters and 0:35:12.280 --> 0:35:15.200 they are being paid. I think it would be very 0:35:15.200 --> 0:35:18.560 interesting to find out if they're having taxes deduct from 0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:21.760 them payments, because I'm sure they exceed the six hundred 0:35:21.760 --> 0:35:24.919 dollars limit, and it would be interesting as to who 0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:28.600 is ever paying them, whether they're paying the proper taxes. 0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:30.840 Yeah, I don't know if we'll ever get that answer, honestly, 0:35:30.880 --> 0:35:32.480 simply because I mean, that's just gonna take a lot 0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:35.360 of work to find out. I don't know sure it is. 0:35:35.360 --> 0:35:37.160 It might be like, you know, the issue, well, voter 0:35:37.280 --> 0:35:39.440 fraud out there. Then they wind up after the election 0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:42.720 auction stolen voter fraud and you know your own FBI, 0:35:42.760 --> 0:35:45.160 and they investigate and find out, Okay, there's a handful, 0:35:45.600 --> 0:35:46.960 now there's two or three of four. It's not going 0:35:46.960 --> 0:35:48.960 to swing an election. So I think there's a lot 0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:51.799 of hyperbole in that whole thing as well too, But nonetheless, 0:35:51.840 --> 0:35:53.920 it is what it is, as they say, And I 0:35:53.920 --> 0:35:57.239 think we've got to hold, especially for Cincinnatian and your 0:35:57.280 --> 0:35:59.880 tax payers, like can you be more responsible and not 0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:03.319 pay all this money out just to settle things. It 0:36:03.320 --> 0:36:05.640 would be interesting to see if they actually litigated something 0:36:05.680 --> 0:36:07.520 for once and see how that plays out. 0:36:07.520 --> 0:36:08.000 What do you say? 0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:10.760 Got a news update in momentarily here it's a Scott 0:36:10.800 --> 0:36:13.799 Sloan show on the Home of the Red seven hundred WLW. 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:14.520 Since nat. 0:36:17.520 --> 0:36:20.880 What's up Scott's Sloan back on seven hundred WLW. So 0:36:21.440 --> 0:36:24.839 when the country is in strife and turmoil, you try 0:36:24.840 --> 0:36:27.359 different things. Although I don't know if socialism is really 0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:31.399 all that different a thing, but you know, generations who 0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:33.480 didn't see the Cold War stuff like that, see what 0:36:33.520 --> 0:36:36.440 that kind of oppression does, want to try it. And 0:36:36.480 --> 0:36:38.759 so we have ushered in the age of Zora and 0:36:38.840 --> 0:36:42.600 Mundami of New York City, the improbable mayor of the 0:36:42.719 --> 0:36:45.759 largest city in the United States, and the thirty four 0:36:45.840 --> 0:36:49.719 year old self proclaimed democratic socialists signing executive orders left 0:36:49.760 --> 0:36:52.640 and he's been in office a few days. Yeah, there's 0:36:52.680 --> 0:36:55.440 some stuff universal child care for two year olds, but 0:36:55.520 --> 0:36:57.760 also he got rid of a whole bunch of fees 0:36:58.000 --> 0:37:00.759 and procedures for small business. Which is interesting on this 0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:04.640 is that Ken jarardin from a Manhattan institute. Welcome back, Ken, 0:37:04.640 --> 0:37:05.919 how are you forty? 0:37:05.960 --> 0:37:06.520 Good view with you? 0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.200 He just moved into Gracie Mansions. He's had to manation 0:37:09.320 --> 0:37:11.480 New York City a few days ago. As I mentioned 0:37:11.520 --> 0:37:15.359 a couple of things, the team contradictory at times from 0:37:15.400 --> 0:37:16.360 an avowed socialist. 0:37:16.440 --> 0:37:19.359 But what are we expecting? And not only that, are 0:37:19.360 --> 0:37:19.600 we just. 0:37:19.600 --> 0:37:22.160 Going to see this big socialist wave across the country 0:37:22.160 --> 0:37:23.000 from coast to coast. 0:37:23.880 --> 0:37:25.879 I'd actually pushed back a little bit and I'd say 0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:30.760 he's kind of a lagging indicator, that is him winning 0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:34.359 the primary. That was a kind of a wake up 0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:37.759 call to folks to say, let's zoom out and look 0:37:37.800 --> 0:37:41.919 and just see where socialist proposals have already taken route 0:37:42.640 --> 0:37:44.600 something in them. Donnie had spent five years in the 0:37:44.600 --> 0:37:47.840 state of Emily, in Albany, and so that was my 0:37:48.280 --> 0:37:51.719 first stop. And I looked there and I reviewed. There 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:55.000 are a number of socialist proposals, some of which have 0:37:55.160 --> 0:38:00.960 pretty widespread political support, but some other big ones also predate. 0:38:00.600 --> 0:38:01.520 Him as an assemblement. 0:38:02.000 --> 0:38:04.000 And I thought this was a good opportunity to take 0:38:04.040 --> 0:38:07.280 a look at the full, the full buffet of stuff 0:38:07.800 --> 0:38:11.200 that people in the socialist persuasion want. 0:38:11.320 --> 0:38:13.279 Sure I bring that. 0:38:13.280 --> 0:38:15.560 Up, as I said, Okay, you could see because among 0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:17.600 younger people, younger people love socialists. You go to a 0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.120 college campus, you know you've got Socialism is the greatest thing. 0:38:20.160 --> 0:38:21.239 We just got to do the right kind. 0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:24.040 Socialism is a failed experiment, but we just we haven't 0:38:24.040 --> 0:38:26.879 fully done socialism yet. And that's always the excuse, right 0:38:26.960 --> 0:38:29.600 is why socialism fails. And of course there's a host 0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:32.920 of other reasons. There's you know, central planning can't allocate 0:38:32.960 --> 0:38:35.880 resources effectively and you get rid of competition, and it 0:38:36.000 --> 0:38:38.520 drives incentivization and a whole bunch of things. And we 0:38:38.520 --> 0:38:41.320 can get into why socialism is bad as as a 0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:42.640 as a political philosophy. 0:38:42.680 --> 0:38:44.480 But young people see because yeah, I look at young 0:38:44.520 --> 0:38:45.120 people to America. 0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:48.319 It's New York City or Cincinnati, and hey, they're worried 0:38:48.320 --> 0:38:51.120 about jobs, they worried about housing, they worried about health care. 0:38:51.239 --> 0:38:54.440 Healthcare has a mass. Both Republicans Democrats created this problem 0:38:54.440 --> 0:38:56.480 and no one has a solution to fixing it other 0:38:56.520 --> 0:38:59.120 than more subsidies that we continue to borrow money to 0:38:59.160 --> 0:39:00.960 give subsided to be people to make it afford it's 0:39:00.960 --> 0:39:03.120 not affordable. We're just taking money from one pile and 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:05.959 moving it somewhere else. You worry about. You know, people 0:39:06.000 --> 0:39:07.800 haven't worked two or three or more jobs just to 0:39:07.880 --> 0:39:09.600 keep their nose above water. And a lot of people 0:39:09.680 --> 0:39:13.520 can't do that. Housing is getting unrealistically unexpensive. So there's 0:39:13.560 --> 0:39:16.200 like a grossola of young people feel like they're painted 0:39:16.239 --> 0:39:18.520 in a corner right now. And that is always the 0:39:18.560 --> 0:39:20.160 catalyst or something like this coming along. 0:39:21.160 --> 0:39:25.360 Well, let's remember everybody grows up in not just socialism, 0:39:25.440 --> 0:39:28.480 but actually communism to a certain extent, that's where your 0:39:28.520 --> 0:39:31.479 family is, like I have I have communism at home 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:37.400 with my children. There where there's communal responsibility, community, communal ownership, 0:39:37.640 --> 0:39:40.560 and that's great within the family unit. When you start 0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:43.160 trying to build an entire society around it, that's where 0:39:43.200 --> 0:39:47.160 things historically have always falled apart and struggled. That's where 0:39:47.280 --> 0:39:51.680 you inevitably have markets because you always have mismatching needs 0:39:51.719 --> 0:39:55.800 and wants between family units. And that's something where the 0:39:56.120 --> 0:40:00.040 socialists don't appreciate that difference between what goes on and 0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:05.360 family and what goes on between people with different situations, resources, skills, 0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:06.640 and and neat. 0:40:08.280 --> 0:40:11.560 Yeah, it's socialism is and then the next phase after 0:40:11.560 --> 0:40:13.640 communist socialism. You know a lot of people go to 0:40:13.640 --> 0:40:15.920 school and they learn about socialism, and then it just 0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:18.719 becomes the you know, one campus agitator talking about we 0:40:18.760 --> 0:40:21.359 just haven't had perfect socialism, the right socialism yet. But 0:40:21.800 --> 0:40:24.520 you know the basis of socialism just in general, let alone. 0:40:24.640 --> 0:40:27.920 The version of what democratic socialism is is it's government 0:40:27.920 --> 0:40:30.360 ownership and control. It's a single payer system. There's no 0:40:30.400 --> 0:40:34.000 private competition, and you need all that to thrive into democracy. 0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:36.560 You need that and you know, certainly we have problems 0:40:36.600 --> 0:40:39.000 in America, there's no denying that. But you know, you 0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:41.759 want to be like I don't know, you want to 0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:44.040 be like like the former Soviet Union. Do you want 0:40:44.040 --> 0:40:47.520 to be like you know, China during during the seventies. 0:40:47.560 --> 0:40:51.160 Do you want to be Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea? The 0:40:51.200 --> 0:40:52.160 answer is hell, no. 0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:53.560 You're. 0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:59.360 You're you're very politely going through the history of instances 0:40:59.400 --> 0:41:03.960 where major, major attempts at socialism have been tried, and 0:41:04.120 --> 0:41:06.880 one thing that's really unappreciated and all of that is 0:41:07.360 --> 0:41:10.520 the disappearance of price signals when you start having the 0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:13.360 government promise that they're going to provide everything. 0:41:13.400 --> 0:41:14.759 I think back to an example from. 0:41:14.680 --> 0:41:19.360 About twenty years ago when the Cuban government had to 0:41:19.520 --> 0:41:23.360 provide rice cookers for citizens. 0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:24.960 And there was this it was this big to do. Wow, 0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:26.200 isn't it so magnanimous? 0:41:26.239 --> 0:41:29.160 The Cuban government is providing all citizens with rice cookers. 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:33.279 And the reason this happened was because the shortage of 0:41:33.360 --> 0:41:37.560 rice cookers in Cuba had really scanned the flames of 0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:40.720 the black market that the government had created for everything else, 0:41:41.120 --> 0:41:44.080 because people weren't because there were so many shortages that 0:41:44.120 --> 0:41:46.359 people were having to go and trade on their own, 0:41:46.800 --> 0:41:50.160 and you had this sort of blossoming private, you know, 0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:55.200 private underground economy. And that's something that socials don't appreciate 0:41:55.239 --> 0:42:00.000 that prices send information. Prices tell us where things are needed, 0:42:00.080 --> 0:42:03.239 where things are wanted, right, and that's why you see 0:42:03.360 --> 0:42:06.040 in those you know, in those societies that they inevitably 0:42:06.440 --> 0:42:09.320 really do lean into socialism, they inevitably run into trouble. 0:42:10.200 --> 0:42:12.839 Soviet Union comes to mind, chronic shortage of consumer goods, 0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:14.920 and we saw the pictures. I'm lined up for toilet 0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:18.040 paper to be handed out right. We've got abundant natural 0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:20.840 resources in the Soviet Union, and yet that happened and 0:42:21.400 --> 0:42:23.320 we saw the economic collapse, and then they kind of 0:42:23.360 --> 0:42:25.640 want to go back to that because you have a 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:28.200 generation or two that didn't see how bad it was. 0:42:28.280 --> 0:42:30.879 It's kind of like here with vaccines, right, it's like, oh, well, 0:42:30.880 --> 0:42:33.560 what the vaccine's got to be worse than whooping cough? Well, 0:42:33.600 --> 0:42:35.640 if you see what wooping cough looks like, you would 0:42:35.680 --> 0:42:37.399 rather take the vaccine that have whooping cough. 0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:38.040 It's the same thing. 0:42:38.880 --> 0:42:41.400 Yeah, it's unfortunately, these are the sorts of lessons that 0:42:41.480 --> 0:42:46.920 every generation seems inevitably to have to relearn. And it's 0:42:46.960 --> 0:42:51.319 now been thirty four years since the fall of communism, 0:42:51.640 --> 0:42:54.759 and there are people alive in their thirties who have 0:42:54.920 --> 0:42:59.600 never who weren't alive for the USSR, And we have 0:42:59.680 --> 0:43:03.399 to be constantly reminding people about these about these lessons 0:43:03.440 --> 0:43:05.640 where they still exist in the world. We can't rely 0:43:05.719 --> 0:43:09.160 too much talk about what went on behind the Iron Curtain, 0:43:09.560 --> 0:43:11.880 and we have to talk more about where these shortfalls 0:43:11.880 --> 0:43:15.719 are in existing countries, including by the way, sometimes own, 0:43:16.239 --> 0:43:19.120 and talk about where these experiments with socialism just haven't 0:43:19.120 --> 0:43:19.640 panned out. 0:43:20.600 --> 0:43:22.600 Yeah, and that is the lesson. But of course the 0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:25.600 cry has always been yeah, but it's different. Now, is 0:43:25.640 --> 0:43:28.120 it really all that different because it's an economic. 0:43:27.840 --> 0:43:29.160 Erce next time will be different. 0:43:29.200 --> 0:43:31.120 Yeah, next time, it said, well, they haven't gotten it 0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:32.680 right yet. I mean, look at some of these other 0:43:32.719 --> 0:43:37.720 countries like Sweden, it's that's more democratic socialism and okay, 0:43:37.800 --> 0:43:39.880 so explain to me how things are so perfect in 0:43:39.880 --> 0:43:40.399 a world like. 0:43:40.360 --> 0:43:43.520 That, and it's not even I mean, let's be clear, 0:43:43.560 --> 0:43:47.080 there's a very big difference between having a very robust 0:43:47.120 --> 0:43:52.120 welfare state funded with lots of taxes and still allowing 0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:55.719 market competition to happen. What probably what we should be 0:43:55.760 --> 0:43:57.840 more concerned about is where the government wants to step 0:43:57.880 --> 0:44:01.040 in and be the only provider of certain things, where 0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:05.280 you stop having competition, where you stop having capital allocation. 0:44:05.600 --> 0:44:07.320 That's where you also run into really big problems with 0:44:07.400 --> 0:44:11.200 cronyism when you start to put government in charge of 0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:15.280 things like like the electric grid or the healthcare system, 0:44:15.880 --> 0:44:20.040 and you you move away from what is an imperfect 0:44:20.400 --> 0:44:24.200 but at least responsive system. And that's one of the 0:44:24.360 --> 0:44:26.720 that's one of the importances of preserving those market systems 0:44:26.760 --> 0:44:30.360 because in a poor performing part of the market you 0:44:30.360 --> 0:44:33.360 can always go somewhere else. You lose that when you 0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:36.680 have the state takeover stuff. And like I said, in Scandinavia, 0:44:36.800 --> 0:44:39.719 they have a lot of social wealth spending, but they 0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:43.560 don't necessarily have asshiciating state ownership of things. 0:44:43.600 --> 0:44:45.359 There's a there's a very big difference there, and I. 0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:49.719 Think people try to almost impolitely sneak Scandinavia through as 0:44:49.719 --> 0:44:54.000 some example of this, you know, democratic socialist nirvana, but 0:44:54.120 --> 0:44:54.400 it's not. 0:44:54.640 --> 0:44:57.560 We have a lot of socialism baked into policies in America, right, 0:44:57.600 --> 0:44:59.960 I mean, you mentioned healthcare. Is there anything more socialistic 0:45:00.040 --> 0:45:03.120 than our healthcare system or schools or whatever it might be. Now, granted, 0:45:03.120 --> 0:45:05.200 we're trying to be able to take your money, make 0:45:05.200 --> 0:45:07.520 it portable, and have private schools and vouchers and things 0:45:07.520 --> 0:45:10.040 like that with a lot of resistance, but we've got 0:45:10.040 --> 0:45:12.359 a lot of socialism baked into the American system now, 0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:16.040 case in point under Trump, who's an avowed anti socialist, 0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:19.399 But we just bought what shares of Intel and MP 0:45:19.680 --> 0:45:22.680 and US Steel, Canadian mining companies, a bunch of others 0:45:22.719 --> 0:45:26.799 as well. The state owns the means of production. We 0:45:26.840 --> 0:45:28.120 have socialism now, don't. 0:45:29.120 --> 0:45:33.320 You have instances where we were The most efficient system 0:45:33.400 --> 0:45:36.040 right now is to have state ownership for things, and 0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:38.840 we should be constantly looking critically at that and looking 0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:42.360 for alternatives. Doesn't mean you should throw it out, but 0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:44.880 we should always be asking the question is this the 0:45:44.920 --> 0:45:48.520 most efficient, responsive way to do stuff, because we often 0:45:48.560 --> 0:45:50.960 find it isn't. Look at what's happened with the postal 0:45:51.000 --> 0:45:54.919 service over the past fifty sixty seventy years, where you've 0:45:54.920 --> 0:45:58.480 had private actors come and you know they have been 0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:01.120 given the space to compete, and in a lot of 0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:04.960 cases they're eating the postal services lunch because competition was 0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:07.319 you know, competition was allowed there. Now we're not going 0:46:07.360 --> 0:46:10.480 to have rival you know snow. You know, we're not 0:46:10.520 --> 0:46:13.400 going to have rival roads or private roads to our 0:46:13.440 --> 0:46:16.880 houses anytime soon. But in places like the healthcare in 0:46:16.920 --> 0:46:21.800 the education space, we routinely find that competition not only 0:46:21.920 --> 0:46:25.200 leads to innovation, but also leads to better outcomes for folks. 0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:27.439 In New York, there are lots of what are called 0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:31.880 charter schools, which are publicly funded, privately run schools that 0:46:32.040 --> 0:46:35.000 parents can pick if they don't like how their neighborhood 0:46:35.000 --> 0:46:37.239 school is performing. And there are parts of New York 0:46:37.280 --> 0:46:39.719 City where a third of the public school kids are 0:46:39.760 --> 0:46:42.640 now in charter schools because they've been given that alternative, 0:46:43.000 --> 0:46:46.200 that competition. It's good, it's healthy, and we should constantly 0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:49.640 be looking for opportunities to create more competition, even for 0:46:49.680 --> 0:46:52.240 in spaces where that we right now call the government. 0:46:52.840 --> 0:46:55.200 It's hard to believe we're like what sixty seventy years 0:46:55.239 --> 0:46:58.080 past Brown versus Board of Education, but that's exactly what 0:46:58.080 --> 0:46:58.400 this is. 0:46:58.560 --> 0:46:58.680 Like. 0:46:58.840 --> 0:47:00.960 You know, mister Brown, back in the day he said, 0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:03.440 why do I have to send my kid? You know, 0:47:03.560 --> 0:47:05.319 us to be black to a school on the other 0:47:05.360 --> 0:47:07.040 side of town simply because of her skin color. Why 0:47:07.040 --> 0:47:08.840 can't you go to the one right down the street 0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:11.239 from us. Same thing's happening today too. It's like, well, wait, 0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:13.280 why do I have to send my kid across town 0:47:13.600 --> 0:47:16.680 to a school that's performing when a underperforming school, Why 0:47:16.680 --> 0:47:18.720 don't we just fix the school that's broken that steps 0:47:18.760 --> 0:47:21.680 away from my house. Same type of argument, and here 0:47:21.640 --> 0:47:24.120 we go again in a limited time we have because 0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:25.799 I don't know how many people are found this man 0:47:25.880 --> 0:47:29.359 Danny thing, but we really haven't discussed his hit list, 0:47:29.440 --> 0:47:31.360 his wants and needs and what he wants to do 0:47:31.400 --> 0:47:33.400 New York City, why he won the mayor all primary. 0:47:33.400 --> 0:47:34.560 What are some of the promise So what are some 0:47:34.600 --> 0:47:36.480 of things that jumped off the page at you when 0:47:36.520 --> 0:47:38.480 it comes to the reforms they want to do with 0:47:38.560 --> 0:47:41.399 a democratic socialist or a socialist system in New York City. 0:47:43.160 --> 0:47:46.080 Three major parts of some of them on Donnie's platform 0:47:46.360 --> 0:47:50.440 were making buses free with the New York City providing 0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:56.000 free universal childcare, and then also freezing the rent for 0:47:56.120 --> 0:47:58.239 about half the apartment in New York City. Those that 0:47:58.280 --> 0:48:00.920 are subject to New York City rent regulations. 0:48:01.160 --> 0:48:01.239 Right. 0:48:01.640 --> 0:48:04.640 Okay, so I'm a landlord, I own property, So you're 0:48:04.640 --> 0:48:06.480 telling me I have a cap on how much I 0:48:06.480 --> 0:48:08.080 can charge. What do you think I'm gonna do? 0:48:08.200 --> 0:48:12.040 Ken, I would not be shocked if you were to 0:48:12.160 --> 0:48:15.360 immediately sell your property if that were the case. 0:48:15.320 --> 0:48:17.439 Or sell to the state, or it's like, okay, fine, 0:48:17.480 --> 0:48:19.759 I'll keep it. But you know your microwave breaks. You 0:48:19.760 --> 0:48:22.080 think I'm going to replace that anytime soon? The roof 0:48:22.160 --> 0:48:25.200 is laking, a pipe is broken, your refrigerator isn't working. 0:48:25.480 --> 0:48:27.720 Where's my incentive to fix that if I can't recoup 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:28.320 my losses. 0:48:30.000 --> 0:48:32.560 This is something again that predates Mamdani. This goes back 0:48:32.560 --> 0:48:35.920 to the twenty nineteen rent laws in New York, which 0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:39.560 were quite possibly the most extreme rent regulation in the country. 0:48:39.800 --> 0:48:42.520 But what they've resulted in is something called warehousing, where 0:48:42.560 --> 0:48:46.080 you have these apartment buildings where a tenant moved out 0:48:46.920 --> 0:48:50.120 and the landlord just doesn't want to spend ninety or 0:48:50.120 --> 0:48:54.799 one hundred thousand dollars rehabilitating this apartment that's often been 0:48:54.840 --> 0:48:57.840 occupied for forty plus years, and they don't want to 0:48:57.840 --> 0:48:59.759 do the upgrades. They don't they don't want to spend 0:48:59.760 --> 0:49:03.960 the money on major mitigation. So instead this apartment gets warehoused, 0:49:04.080 --> 0:49:07.120 which means nobody gets to rent it. It contributes to 0:49:07.360 --> 0:49:10.880 the housing shortage in New York City. It stresses the 0:49:10.920 --> 0:49:14.240 finances of those buildings and limits the apartment owner's ability 0:49:14.280 --> 0:49:18.120 to invest other things that would benefit the other tenants. 0:49:18.239 --> 0:49:22.040 And it is something that for which there eventually there 0:49:22.040 --> 0:49:24.800 will be a reckoning in New York as more apartments 0:49:24.800 --> 0:49:29.240 get warehoused, as more apartment buildings get pushed into financial 0:49:29.239 --> 0:49:31.879 distress by this law, and at the end of the day, 0:49:32.080 --> 0:49:33.920 the biggest losers are going to be the. 0:49:33.960 --> 0:49:35.200 Dem in New York City. 0:49:35.239 --> 0:49:37.640 It looks like it did in the seventies, where you 0:49:37.719 --> 0:49:42.160 have burnt out buildings and poverty atop of poverty, and 0:49:42.680 --> 0:49:44.400 it becomes a dystopian nightmare. 0:49:45.160 --> 0:49:48.080 I very much hope that we don't ever ever revisit 0:49:48.320 --> 0:49:51.839 that situation that we saw the Bronx comes to mind 0:49:52.080 --> 0:49:54.879 in the nineteen seventies. I really hope we don't get there. 0:49:54.920 --> 0:49:59.040 But it is always possible for state policy to result 0:49:59.160 --> 0:50:02.120 in very big problems, especially at the local. 0:50:01.960 --> 0:50:05.200 Level, largely because history always repeats itself. Because we have 0:50:05.280 --> 0:50:06.960 short memories, we don't learn, we don't look at the 0:50:06.960 --> 0:50:08.839 past and go, wow, we got to keep doing We go, well, 0:50:08.840 --> 0:50:10.600 why why are we doing that? Why are we doing it? No, 0:50:10.640 --> 0:50:13.000 it's different now, it's really not really that different. The model. 0:50:13.280 --> 0:50:17.080 The model still works and the failures of socialism historically speaking, 0:50:17.120 --> 0:50:20.000 even though theoretically, you know, theory is one thing you applied, 0:50:20.040 --> 0:50:23.560 it doesn't work. You know, central planning can't allocate resources 0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:24.880 and a lot as you as you mentioned, you know, 0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:27.040 there's got to be signals from the from the market 0:50:27.280 --> 0:50:29.040 on what a price on something should be. If not, 0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:32.080 you're gonna have shortages and surpluses and misallocate. You're gonna 0:50:32.120 --> 0:50:34.560 have a million toilet seats and no toilet papers, which 0:50:34.560 --> 0:50:37.040 are going to wind up having, and there's no incentive 0:50:37.040 --> 0:50:39.360 for companies to make stuff. We sa again back to 0:50:39.400 --> 0:50:41.520 the Soviet Union. Now you have one one type of 0:50:41.560 --> 0:50:43.200 car is all you have? Well, good the how did 0:50:43.200 --> 0:50:46.600 that work out for those vehicles, whether it's in Cuba 0:50:46.719 --> 0:50:49.680 or whether it's the Soviet Union. And Venezuela is another 0:50:49.680 --> 0:50:51.880 great example oil rich high. You know, you can talk 0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:54.600 about not having resource, but Venezuela is an oil is 0:50:54.600 --> 0:50:57.280 an oil rich nation. And you look at what happened 0:50:57.280 --> 0:51:00.839 there because they nationalize the industries. Productivity went down. You 0:51:00.880 --> 0:51:04.000 had seven plus million people fleeing and their GDP collapsed. 0:51:04.080 --> 0:51:06.040 That's why Venezuela is in the state it's in right now. 0:51:06.120 --> 0:51:08.360 That's why we're blown up ships off their coast because 0:51:08.960 --> 0:51:12.520 you know, exporting drugs as a you know, front for 0:51:12.640 --> 0:51:15.759 China is the only opportunity that they have. And it's 0:51:15.800 --> 0:51:17.880 an aill origination. It's it's a shame, it really is. 0:51:18.719 --> 0:51:20.000 Well, next time will be different. 0:51:22.080 --> 0:51:24.040 Yeah, but you know what, because now we have the 0:51:24.080 --> 0:51:25.640 Internet and that's the game change. 0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:26.320 We have AI. 0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:28.960 They didn't have the they didn't have the AI back. 0:51:28.760 --> 0:51:30.799 In the nineties. It's gonna be different this time around. 0:51:30.880 --> 0:51:31.000 Now. 0:51:31.040 --> 0:51:33.400 The only thing to change was we had yet people 0:51:33.440 --> 0:51:36.320 come of age, be born and not seeing the abject 0:51:36.320 --> 0:51:39.080 poverty and problems with these models, and then they just 0:51:39.120 --> 0:51:41.120 go this seems like a sexy thing because they're buying, 0:51:41.360 --> 0:51:43.640 you know, they're buying something somebody else almos like, yeah, 0:51:43.680 --> 0:51:45.680 you don't have to work and the state supplies everything. 0:51:45.719 --> 0:51:46.239 Sign me up. 0:51:46.239 --> 0:51:48.439 Who doesn't want that? It's like crawling back in the womb. 0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:50.799 You don't have to be responsible, accountable, you don't have 0:51:50.840 --> 0:51:52.960 to hustle or do anything. But if if you do, 0:51:53.080 --> 0:51:55.520 and if you want to, we don't have room for you. 0:51:55.560 --> 0:51:58.879 There's no incentive to do that. Again, it's a kinjer arden. 0:51:58.880 --> 0:52:01.200 You can read about this at man Hatton Institute dot 0:52:01.239 --> 0:52:02.480 dot com or is it dot org? 0:52:02.520 --> 0:52:06.400 I apologize it's Manhattan dot Institute. 0:52:05.920 --> 0:52:08.719 Manhattan dot Institute. There you go. So I really. 0:52:10.080 --> 0:52:11.920 It could be the best, the good best, or socialism 0:52:11.960 --> 0:52:14.080 on the husband anyway, thanks again, I appreciate it can be. 0:52:14.080 --> 0:52:15.719 Well thanks, yes, sir. 0:52:15.840 --> 0:52:19.000 Now it's New York City though, so we live in Ohio, Kentucky, Indiana. 0:52:19.520 --> 0:52:21.160 Look at it and get the popcorn out. We watched 0:52:21.200 --> 0:52:23.520 like la right, just go yeah, okay, well you do you. 0:52:23.600 --> 0:52:26.719 I don't really care, but I will say, you know, 0:52:26.800 --> 0:52:29.200 I mean maybe the opposite could be true as well, 0:52:29.239 --> 0:52:32.160 that maybe his brand of socialism. And again I say 0:52:32.160 --> 0:52:34.840 that tongue in cheek, not as extreme as it's made. 0:52:34.680 --> 0:52:35.399 Out to be. We'll see. 0:52:35.400 --> 0:52:37.480 It's simply because I think it's kind of surprising to 0:52:37.520 --> 0:52:39.920 me anyway, as a small government kind of guy, that 0:52:40.320 --> 0:52:42.840 he announced just I think yesterday day before that he 0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:46.239 is going to eliminate a lot of the rules restrictions 0:52:46.280 --> 0:52:48.880 and fees for small business in New York City. Not 0:52:49.000 --> 0:52:52.400 very socialistic of him, but nonetheless, we'll see what happens. 0:52:52.400 --> 0:52:54.280 We'll say it plays out anyway, and what the impact 0:52:54.320 --> 0:52:56.319 is for this next election cycle coming up. I just 0:52:56.320 --> 0:52:58.799 fear there's going to be more like him. We'll find out. 0:52:58.800 --> 0:53:01.160 We'll find out how about some new use traffic weather 0:53:01.239 --> 0:53:03.000 with all the snow flying around here and there, We'll 0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:04.680 find out what the future brings. And I know it's 0:53:04.680 --> 0:53:07.640 gonna be cold. We'll find out we're getting any accumulating 0:53:07.640 --> 0:53:10.080 snow in our area anyway too. I know Wilmington up 0:53:10.120 --> 0:53:13.560 that way north Elebanon northeast eleven and got a little 0:53:13.560 --> 0:53:14.959 bit of snow like four four and a half inches 0:53:15.040 --> 0:53:17.440 up that way. So if you're traveling there, be advised. 0:53:17.520 --> 0:53:19.919 Scott's Loan Show. In a return, we'll tell a little 0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:22.239 health and fitness and how to deal with all of 0:53:22.280 --> 0:53:25.080 this weather now that the reality post holiday has set in? 0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:28.200 How do you deal between now and opening day? We'll 0:53:28.200 --> 0:53:30.160 get into that next seven hundred w ol wwt Scott's 0:53:30.160 --> 0:53:32.480 Loan Show, Scott's Loon Show. This is seven hundred w 0:53:32.600 --> 0:53:34.120 old w I don't have to tell you that we 0:53:34.200 --> 0:53:36.040 are headed into that time of the year where we 0:53:36.040 --> 0:53:38.640 don't see the sun. Like Johnny Cash, I ain't seen 0:53:38.680 --> 0:53:40.600 the sun suns. I don't know when. It's like you're 0:53:40.600 --> 0:53:43.960 in fulsome prison for about six months in Cincinnati, Ohio. 0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:46.840 We're about to have the time change, and then you 0:53:46.880 --> 0:53:49.040 don't see the sun well maybe late afternoon, then lucky 0:53:49.080 --> 0:53:51.359 at all? And how do you get by with all 0:53:51.360 --> 0:53:53.440 this stuff? Like in real life in Cincinnati. It's one 0:53:53.440 --> 0:53:55.319 thing to talk about time change and effect it has, 0:53:55.360 --> 0:53:57.200 but we live here and we know how just gray 0:53:57.200 --> 0:53:59.680 and dismal it can be until baseball starts all back. 0:54:00.000 --> 0:54:02.840 He's Jen Beckett, Complete Health Revolution, Jen, Welcome. How are 0:54:02.880 --> 0:54:05.640 you So? This all started back in the fall with 0:54:05.680 --> 0:54:08.160 the time change. I talked about that, and then the 0:54:08.160 --> 0:54:10.880 holidays come along and we're kind of happy, and hey, Holidays, 0:54:10.880 --> 0:54:13.440 it's festive. I got my new outfan. I'm gonna go 0:54:13.520 --> 0:54:15.400 on a partner and hang out with my friends. I'm 0:54:15.440 --> 0:54:17.600 family and take some time off and I gotta shop 0:54:17.640 --> 0:54:20.719 and all that stuff. And then New York, okay, New Year, 0:54:20.719 --> 0:54:23.040 New Year's Eve we were part of like rock stars, 0:54:23.080 --> 0:54:25.440 and then we come out Okay, time to diet, fitness, 0:54:25.440 --> 0:54:25.959 all that said. 0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:26.760 Great, that's awesome. 0:54:26.800 --> 0:54:28.239 Here we are now a couple of weeks in the 0:54:28.239 --> 0:54:32.040 new year, and the reality, especially with the snowflakes fly 0:54:32.120 --> 0:54:33.800 and this morning is cold and bitter. It's going to 0:54:33.880 --> 0:54:37.759 be now. Reality is set in. Uh, there's only so 0:54:37.840 --> 0:54:41.880 much positive energy I have. I'm exhausted at this point 0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:46.279 relative to diet, in sunlight and all those things tell 0:54:46.320 --> 0:54:47.000 me something good. 0:54:48.120 --> 0:54:50.200 Yeah, there is so much and such a great question, 0:54:50.280 --> 0:54:52.640 and it's timely topic, you know. I think one of 0:54:52.680 --> 0:54:55.640 the biggest pieces that is really important to consider is 0:54:55.640 --> 0:54:59.000 to listen to your body's natural rhythm. You know, as 0:54:59.080 --> 0:55:02.960 we as we change seasons and daylight shortens and cortisol 0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:07.360 and melatonin patterns change, we might be craving more rest, 0:55:07.760 --> 0:55:11.919 more and more warmth. There's grounding tools that we can use, 0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:15.160 there's grounding foods that we can lean into. But the 0:55:15.239 --> 0:55:17.880 key is to really listen to what your body is 0:55:17.880 --> 0:55:19.800 telling you. And I know, in a fast paced society 0:55:19.840 --> 0:55:21.120 we try and just. 0:55:21.200 --> 0:55:22.040 Go and go and go. 0:55:22.480 --> 0:55:24.680 Sometimes the most powerful thing we can do is just 0:55:24.719 --> 0:55:26.279 slow down, take a breath, and go what do I 0:55:26.360 --> 0:55:27.520 really need right now? 0:55:28.640 --> 0:55:29.200 What does that mean? 0:55:29.280 --> 0:55:33.080 Well, like physically, I mean, how about a bag of Dorito's. 0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:34.520 That's I could use that right now. 0:55:36.320 --> 0:55:39.319 Okay, let me rephrase that, because intuitive eating it right 0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:41.760 a lot of people go, oh, well, whatever, I feel 0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:44.319 like that's what I should be eating. Well, intuitive is 0:55:44.360 --> 0:55:44.759 what does. 0:55:44.719 --> 0:55:46.720 My body need more of right now? 0:55:46.880 --> 0:55:51.759 And Dorito's. Chances are our body doesn't need Dorito's. Our 0:55:51.800 --> 0:55:54.480 mouth might be craving it, our brain might be craving it. 0:55:54.520 --> 0:55:57.160 But chances are we're going to be looking for things 0:55:57.200 --> 0:56:02.920 that are more in the lines of movement rest nourishments. 0:56:03.080 --> 0:56:05.879 You know, in the fall season, in the winter, we 0:56:06.040 --> 0:56:09.920 tend to lean more towards grounding vegetables. Think about like 0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:14.719 root vegetables that have more density to them. They're warmer vegetables. 0:56:14.760 --> 0:56:20.400 They hold a more chloric value for us. And you know, 0:56:20.400 --> 0:56:23.120 outside of nourishment, we're also leaning more towards more sunlight 0:56:23.160 --> 0:56:27.959 and hydration. Might be warmer beverages versus you know, ice, 0:56:28.040 --> 0:56:30.880 coal beverages we experienced or enjoy in the summertime. 0:56:31.360 --> 0:56:33.360 Yeah, I guess that that makes sense. You want that warmth, 0:56:33.360 --> 0:56:35.040 you want that comfort, you want something to you know, 0:56:35.120 --> 0:56:36.960 everyone loves a mug of coffee or if you like 0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:39.399 tea or whatever, and it's cider even right, it's warm, 0:56:39.440 --> 0:56:41.360 you put your hands around it in front of the fireplace, 0:56:41.560 --> 0:56:45.040 very Norman walk rock well like. But there's actually is 0:56:45.080 --> 0:56:46.840 there physical or is it more metal component? 0:56:46.840 --> 0:56:47.319 Ors it both? 0:56:48.320 --> 0:56:51.960 It's both, It really is both. And so in Araveda 0:56:52.000 --> 0:56:55.960 medicine that there are absolutely seasons that we lean into 0:56:56.120 --> 0:56:59.520 if we're thinking about nutrition based on the season. Fall 0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:05.240 in winter are more warming and grounding foods, so roasted veggies, soups, stews, 0:57:06.600 --> 0:57:09.560 you know, turnips and carrots and potatoes and things like that. 0:57:09.920 --> 0:57:13.759 More warming spices like cinnamon or ginger, and tumoric you know, 0:57:13.800 --> 0:57:16.600 they help to stabilize our blood sugar. They also help 0:57:16.680 --> 0:57:20.680 to calm our stress hormones, and that in comparison with 0:57:20.920 --> 0:57:23.520 you know, spring and summer where we're eating more leafy 0:57:23.560 --> 0:57:26.680 greens and fresh fruits and berries and citrus and things 0:57:26.720 --> 0:57:33.440 like that. So you know, the heavier and more grounding 0:57:33.760 --> 0:57:37.400 foods allows us to be able to feel more grounded 0:57:37.520 --> 0:57:40.200 and have more sustainable warmth in our body too. 0:57:40.760 --> 0:57:43.080 So are you saying that our bodies have like a 0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:46.200 circadian rhythm themselves or I mean our stomach. 0:57:45.840 --> 0:57:50.840 Anyway, you know, I don't know that there's a huge change. 0:57:51.040 --> 0:57:54.520 Although you know, having some extra probiotics, just extra vitamin 0:57:54.600 --> 0:57:57.560 D can be really beneficial because we're not getting the 0:57:57.600 --> 0:57:58.800 sunlight that we normally do. 0:57:59.640 --> 0:58:00.920 So so you're. 0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:02.680 Looking at that and then as the season change and 0:58:02.720 --> 0:58:06.640 stuff too, because some people are really affected by season 0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:09.800 changes and pallens in the air and you know all 0:58:09.880 --> 0:58:12.720 of the all of the allergies that come out. But 0:58:12.800 --> 0:58:15.120 it's really like, how do we support our body in 0:58:15.400 --> 0:58:19.640 quote unquote flu and cold season. So D three plus 0:58:19.760 --> 0:58:23.920 K two omegas which help with brain and formone health, 0:58:24.360 --> 0:58:26.560 and really making sure we're getting plenty of sleep and 0:58:26.640 --> 0:58:28.520 hydration so that we can be able to keep the 0:58:28.560 --> 0:58:29.160 body balance. 0:58:29.200 --> 0:58:31.120 Yeah, hydration going to be the big part of you 0:58:31.120 --> 0:58:33.640 think just the summer, but you know, you again maybe 0:58:33.640 --> 0:58:35.640 not sweat as much, but you still have to stay 0:58:35.720 --> 0:58:38.040 hydrated because you're inside the dry air leads to cold. 0:58:38.160 --> 0:58:40.520 Hydration is going to help a lot with that. I'm 0:58:40.560 --> 0:58:43.480 a supplement guy myself. I've been taking a vitemine since 0:58:43.480 --> 0:58:45.760 my mom made me take flintstones vitamins back in the day. 0:58:45.800 --> 0:58:48.640 I still love flintstones and vitamins, but you know, I've 0:58:48.680 --> 0:58:50.760 added vitamin D. I think vitamin D is a very 0:58:50.840 --> 0:58:53.480 underrated one, especially what we know about cancer. But what 0:58:53.520 --> 0:58:56.040 you mentioned is vitamin D is what you need when 0:58:56.040 --> 0:58:57.080 you don't see the sum as much. 0:58:58.240 --> 0:58:58.560 Yeah. 0:58:58.800 --> 0:59:01.160 I mean, like seventy five eighty percent of the population 0:59:01.240 --> 0:59:04.920 is chronically deficient in vitamin D and it is, like 0:59:05.040 --> 0:59:07.680 you said, it's one of the most important cancer fighters. 0:59:07.680 --> 0:59:10.840 And then coupling that with magnesium K two helps to 0:59:10.960 --> 0:59:13.960 shuttle you know, the calcium into our bones more effectively 0:59:14.320 --> 0:59:17.040 and helps our bone density as well, and not to 0:59:17.120 --> 0:59:18.400 mention our immune system. 0:59:19.040 --> 0:59:21.120 Yeah, and of course tryan to get a good night's 0:59:21.120 --> 0:59:21.640 sleep as well. 0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:23.520 It's always nice to you know, you know, it's cold 0:59:23.520 --> 0:59:25.760 out or whatever, snuggling out of the covers and having 0:59:25.760 --> 0:59:28.280 a good It seems to be easier to sleep in 0:59:28.320 --> 0:59:30.600 the winter just because of that in your mind for 0:59:30.640 --> 0:59:32.520 me anyway, than it does in the summer when it's hot. 0:59:33.600 --> 0:59:33.840 Yeah. 0:59:33.920 --> 0:59:35.680 I think there's a little bit of inner bear in 0:59:35.720 --> 0:59:37.640 each one of us where we just want to hibernate, 0:59:37.880 --> 0:59:39.640 shurl in and s with you up. It's just like 0:59:39.680 --> 0:59:40.720 that in the winter. Yeah. 0:59:40.840 --> 0:59:43.320 Jen back in for Sanjay this morning on seven hundred 0:59:43.360 --> 0:59:46.160 WWE Scotsland Showtutal a little health and wellness this morning, 0:59:46.160 --> 0:59:49.440 at this time every Thursday morning, cheese jen at a 0:59:49.520 --> 0:59:52.880 complete health revolution and talking about Okay, now we've settled 0:59:52.880 --> 0:59:54.600 into the winter moss holidays, a roll over. The fun 0:59:54.680 --> 0:59:56.280 is over. People are trying to get back on the 0:59:56.320 --> 0:59:58.920 stick maybe diet, exercise, And now you're a couple of 0:59:58.960 --> 1:00:01.560 weeks into this whole thing, and well, now we've got 1:00:01.560 --> 1:00:03.320 more freezing weather and darkness coming. 1:00:04.200 --> 1:00:06.080 Do we need more sunlight as we age? 1:00:07.480 --> 1:00:10.400 I don't know that you need more, but we definitely 1:00:10.440 --> 1:00:13.440 need a lot of it, right, I mean, just mentally 1:00:13.600 --> 1:00:16.240 the more closed down we are. You know, there's a 1:00:16.800 --> 1:00:18.240 I've read a set of years ago and they were 1:00:18.240 --> 1:00:21.080 talking about the links between like having your blinds closed 1:00:21.680 --> 1:00:25.280 and its impact on depression. And you think about, you know, 1:00:25.520 --> 1:00:28.280 not having as much light during the day because our 1:00:28.320 --> 1:00:30.800 days are shorter in the winter time. But then the 1:00:30.920 --> 1:00:35.120 less that we're even exposed to that can impact our 1:00:35.200 --> 1:00:36.840 mental psyche and things like that too. 1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:38.640 So I think it's incredibly. 1:00:38.200 --> 1:00:42.960 Important at any age. But the lower we feel, the 1:00:42.960 --> 1:00:43.880 more sun we meet. 1:00:44.120 --> 1:00:46.240 No, that makes sense, and you try to get it 1:00:46.240 --> 1:00:47.880 at any way you can. Now if you're fortunate enough 1:00:47.880 --> 1:00:49.320 to go to get away in the winter for a 1:00:49.360 --> 1:00:51.280 little bit. Maybe you're a snowbird, or maybe you can 1:00:51.320 --> 1:00:53.680 go and do a week or two where it's sunny out. 1:00:53.720 --> 1:00:55.640 That's going to go a long way. How long does 1:00:55.680 --> 1:00:58.080 that do you know? How long that affects after? I mean, okay, 1:00:58.160 --> 1:01:00.240 you go on vacation, you feel good after vacation coming 1:01:00.280 --> 1:01:02.960 back towards cold, there's nothing worse, by the way, But 1:01:03.200 --> 1:01:05.840 how long that that vitamin D and all have that sunshine? 1:01:05.880 --> 1:01:07.920 I mean, how long does that benefit you after you 1:01:08.120 --> 1:01:11.400 get back to gray, dismal cold Cincinnati. 1:01:12.520 --> 1:01:13.680 Yeah, great question. 1:01:14.160 --> 1:01:17.240 I think it really depends on each individual person, Scott. 1:01:17.720 --> 1:01:21.160 And the reality is that most people don't actually get 1:01:21.160 --> 1:01:23.240 the benefit of the vitamin D when they go on 1:01:23.320 --> 1:01:28.520 vacation because we need the vitamin D to actually hit 1:01:28.560 --> 1:01:32.880 our skin unprotected for it to be converted into vitamin D. 1:01:33.440 --> 1:01:36.880 So if we're lathered up in sunscreen, we're not actually 1:01:37.000 --> 1:01:39.760 creating any of the vitamin D because it's being blocked 1:01:39.760 --> 1:01:40.440 by the sunblock. 1:01:41.960 --> 1:01:42.640 Oh okay. 1:01:42.760 --> 1:01:48.200 Reality is we actually need unprotected exposure and it's like 1:01:48.280 --> 1:01:51.919 twenty minutes a day. But the challenge is if you're 1:01:52.000 --> 1:01:57.400 above the Atlanta line at Georgia line. 1:01:57.840 --> 1:02:00.840 We don't get enough sun sun exposure. 1:02:00.880 --> 1:02:03.680 It's not strong enough interesting to really help us create 1:02:03.720 --> 1:02:06.200 the viemin D for majority of the year. I mean 1:02:06.240 --> 1:02:08.120 we're at least six months out of the year. It's 1:02:08.160 --> 1:02:09.280 not strong enough to be able to. 1:02:09.240 --> 1:02:11.040 Help us create what we need, gotcha. 1:02:11.240 --> 1:02:13.280 And then if we're using sunscreen on top of that, 1:02:13.400 --> 1:02:14.920 it's you know, we're. 1:02:14.800 --> 1:02:15.560 Kidding you, your lost. 1:02:15.760 --> 1:02:17.400 But there's also but the mental effect. 1:02:17.440 --> 1:02:20.280 It's like I could feel the sun on my faces. 1:02:20.680 --> 1:02:23.640 It maybe strain, but I feel it and I'm breathing 1:02:23.680 --> 1:02:25.280 it in and it's nice not to have a winter 1:02:25.360 --> 1:02:25.720 coat on. 1:02:25.840 --> 1:02:26.240 Totally. 1:02:26.760 --> 1:02:29.360 We're talking about, you know, things you can do to 1:02:29.400 --> 1:02:31.880 fight off sad seasonal effective disorder in some way, shape 1:02:31.920 --> 1:02:33.720 or form. We're all struck by it, some people far 1:02:33.800 --> 1:02:36.080 worse than others. You just kind of grind through it 1:02:36.080 --> 1:02:38.120 and tolerate it. But there's little cheats you have along 1:02:38.120 --> 1:02:40.440 the way here to help your body adjust to it, 1:02:40.520 --> 1:02:42.640 or at least simply tolerate a lot better than you 1:02:42.680 --> 1:02:43.200 have in the past. 1:02:43.240 --> 1:02:44.120 Sleep is a big one. 1:02:44.160 --> 1:02:46.440 But you know, I mentioned, you know what the kind 1:02:46.440 --> 1:02:48.360 of foods you're eating, the seasonal foods you're eating, but 1:02:48.360 --> 1:02:50.600 also a little exercise helps as well. Right, do you 1:02:50.600 --> 1:02:52.000 want to do that more in the winter in the 1:02:52.000 --> 1:02:52.840 morning or the evening. 1:02:54.480 --> 1:02:56.400 I would say in the morning, you're starting your day, 1:02:56.520 --> 1:02:59.480 You're getting your body going, and you might need to 1:02:59.560 --> 1:03:00.520 change it up a little bit. 1:03:00.560 --> 1:03:01.440 You're probably going to do. 1:03:01.400 --> 1:03:04.480 More indoor strength training in yoga and maybe treadmill in 1:03:04.480 --> 1:03:07.040 the gym and stuff like that. But if I grew 1:03:07.120 --> 1:03:11.400 up in Minnesota, so Minnesota, I'm used to going out 1:03:11.440 --> 1:03:14.760 in the wintertime, and that's one thing that I highly 1:03:14.840 --> 1:03:18.760 encourage because the sun exposure and getting outside in nature. 1:03:18.960 --> 1:03:22.160 We have such an energy shift when we are in 1:03:22.400 --> 1:03:26.600 nature than when we're inside. So even though you know 1:03:26.680 --> 1:03:29.160 we're still dealing with the time change and the shorter 1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:31.080 days and stuff like that, the more than we get outside, 1:03:31.120 --> 1:03:34.600 even if it's for a walk mid day, it helps 1:03:34.640 --> 1:03:37.200 with our mood, It helps with our endorsemence, it helps 1:03:37.240 --> 1:03:39.760 with our body, you know, really getting it going. So 1:03:39.880 --> 1:03:43.080 if possible, I would say, still exercise at some point 1:03:43.200 --> 1:03:45.440 during the day, even if it's ten minutes in the 1:03:45.480 --> 1:03:49.040 sunshine versus just working out like six am. 1:03:48.840 --> 1:03:49.280 In the dark. 1:03:49.480 --> 1:03:51.520 Yeah, I mean, I grew up in Silk Country too, 1:03:51.560 --> 1:03:53.720 and I'm just used to being out in it. Now 1:03:54.000 --> 1:03:55.600 as you get older, you're like, man, this is not 1:03:55.640 --> 1:03:57.600 as fun as easy to be when I was a kid. 1:03:58.840 --> 1:04:03.320 But I like, yo, shovel snow and that's a good workout. Yeah, 1:04:03.520 --> 1:04:05.760 if we get that kind of snow around here, hopefully 1:04:05.840 --> 1:04:10.200 not anytime soon, but we certainly will. And you know, 1:04:10.280 --> 1:04:12.320 at some point you will eventually see the sun. When 1:04:12.440 --> 1:04:15.160 Red's Basico ball comes back around gen then that starts 1:04:15.160 --> 1:04:16.160 to feel like summer again. 1:04:16.200 --> 1:04:18.440 And we do this all over but there's ways to 1:04:18.440 --> 1:04:18.880 get through it. 1:04:18.920 --> 1:04:23.360 So vitamins, supplements, exercise, get and sleep very least. You know, 1:04:23.400 --> 1:04:25.000 you don't have to be a gym rat in order 1:04:25.040 --> 1:04:26.800 to get exercise. So and you're like, well, like water, 1:04:26.960 --> 1:04:29.400 I can't go for a walk. It's icy and snowy outside. 1:04:29.440 --> 1:04:30.040 What can you do? 1:04:31.400 --> 1:04:33.640 Yeah, well, and it's really I mean to your point, 1:04:33.640 --> 1:04:35.640 you don't have to be a gym rat just doing 1:04:35.840 --> 1:04:40.360 basic exercises. Just I think about functional fitness a lot. 1:04:41.240 --> 1:04:43.439 One of the exercises a lot of my clients love 1:04:43.560 --> 1:04:46.000 is what I call it get up. So you literally 1:04:46.080 --> 1:04:48.760 lay down in the ground, flat out, your legs out, 1:04:48.760 --> 1:04:51.760 your arms out, and you just get up and doing 1:04:51.800 --> 1:04:55.320 those exercises just about every motion and every muscle in 1:04:55.320 --> 1:04:57.360 your body, because you have to use yourself to propel 1:04:57.400 --> 1:05:01.240 yourself up. And if it takes you initially two minutes 1:05:01.280 --> 1:05:05.080 to get up because you need assistance, cool, it gets slow. 1:05:05.640 --> 1:05:07.800 Use assistance if you need to, you know, if you're 1:05:07.800 --> 1:05:09.640 older and have or have an injury. 1:05:09.480 --> 1:05:10.080 Or something like that. 1:05:10.560 --> 1:05:13.320 But just the act of engaging all of your muscles 1:05:13.640 --> 1:05:17.000 is incredibly powerful and it's something that anybody can do. 1:05:17.120 --> 1:05:18.240 We don't have to have. 1:05:18.200 --> 1:05:20.920 You know, gym equipment or a boat flex or you 1:05:20.960 --> 1:05:24.200 know whatnot, But it's how do we incorporate the little things, 1:05:24.200 --> 1:05:26.080 you know, doing some squats while you're sitting on the 1:05:26.080 --> 1:05:28.040 phone waiting for the phone to ring, or. 1:05:28.080 --> 1:05:29.880 Doing some counter push ups in the kitchen. 1:05:30.360 --> 1:05:32.600 You know, there's so many little ways that we can 1:05:32.640 --> 1:05:37.600 incorporate movement into our day without having to live at 1:05:37.640 --> 1:05:41.040 the gym or overhaul our entire life trying to figure 1:05:41.040 --> 1:05:41.360 out how to. 1:05:41.360 --> 1:05:42.400 Quote unquote get healthy. 1:05:42.520 --> 1:05:43.840 I see what you did. They're kind of went for 1:05:43.960 --> 1:05:46.400 like the trendy. The Turkish get up is what you're 1:05:46.440 --> 1:05:47.000 talking about. 1:05:47.000 --> 1:05:47.480 The trendy. 1:05:47.640 --> 1:05:50.120 Like if you're seeing people do it, it's a kettlebell 1:05:50.240 --> 1:05:53.080 exercise where you're lying on your back. You got a kettlebell, 1:05:53.160 --> 1:05:54.920 which is the round one. It looks like a cannon 1:05:54.920 --> 1:05:56.800 ball with a handle on it, and you're holding that 1:05:56.840 --> 1:05:58.800 over your head with one arm, and there's a specific 1:05:58.960 --> 1:06:02.360 sequence you form to get up off the floor and 1:06:02.400 --> 1:06:04.240 then reverse the pattern to get back down. It's like 1:06:04.240 --> 1:06:06.000 a full body kind of workout thing. So if you 1:06:06.040 --> 1:06:09.000 see freaks like Jen doing it, it's called a turkey shadow, 1:06:09.240 --> 1:06:09.720 is what it is. 1:06:11.440 --> 1:06:13.480 Yes, and it's also something and the guy with a 1:06:13.480 --> 1:06:16.200 client who literally couldn't get up and down off the 1:06:16.280 --> 1:06:18.840 floor by herself. She had to use the couch or 1:06:18.880 --> 1:06:20.320 she had to have somebody's hand to be able to 1:06:20.360 --> 1:06:22.920 help her up. But by doing a get up just 1:06:23.640 --> 1:06:27.680 body weight, she started gaining enough strength where she was 1:06:27.680 --> 1:06:30.000 able to improve her functionality and she was able to 1:06:30.000 --> 1:06:30.720 get up on her own. 1:06:30.720 --> 1:06:33.080 Never a while, it seems like such a silly exercise, 1:06:33.120 --> 1:06:35.959 but it's literally like very very bag. You think about it, like, wow, 1:06:36.000 --> 1:06:38.720 that's something everybody, especially as you get older. Now, maybe 1:06:38.760 --> 1:06:40.520 you don't do it with a twenty pound kettleball over 1:06:40.520 --> 1:06:42.280 your head, but just and you can break it up 1:06:42.280 --> 1:06:46.160 into small chunks too, but that's a very real life 1:06:46.280 --> 1:06:49.920 kind of exercise, right, you're actually doing You're doing something 1:06:49.960 --> 1:06:53.280 that you'll use, maybe not every day getting off the floor, 1:06:53.280 --> 1:06:54.600 but how many people you're older, like man, I can't 1:06:54.600 --> 1:06:57.120 get up off the floor without a crane and O 1:06:57.240 --> 1:07:00.560 Dot coming and putting cones around me. You'll be able 1:07:00.560 --> 1:07:02.480 to do that after a very short period of time, 1:07:02.480 --> 1:07:03.720 which was really really handy. 1:07:04.760 --> 1:07:05.000 Yeah. 1:07:05.120 --> 1:07:06.760 Yeah, and for me, I look at you know, I mean, 1:07:06.760 --> 1:07:08.600 I want to live to be ninety one hundred hundred 1:07:08.600 --> 1:07:11.040 and ten years old, but I want to be functional 1:07:11.160 --> 1:07:13.240 doing it. I don't want to just live that long 1:07:13.280 --> 1:07:15.320 sitting in a nursing home or sitting in a wheelchair. 1:07:15.720 --> 1:07:17.720 I want to be out, traveling and living life. And 1:07:17.760 --> 1:07:20.840 so the more functional we can make our movement and 1:07:20.880 --> 1:07:23.160 our fitness, and the more intention we have behind that, 1:07:23.760 --> 1:07:27.280 the longer and more longevity we're going to have in 1:07:27.320 --> 1:07:27.960 our life. 1:07:27.840 --> 1:07:28.320 No doubt. 1:07:28.720 --> 1:07:31.320 Jen Beck at Complete Health Revolution, thanks so much for 1:07:31.360 --> 1:07:33.440 the time this morning on Scott Slone Show. Appreciate the 1:07:33.440 --> 1:07:37.240 good information. Winter is here. Thanks again, appreciate it. 1:07:37.800 --> 1:07:39.200 Thanks guys, I appreciate you. Here. 1:07:39.360 --> 1:07:42.360 She's in for our physician Sonjay SHEVACREMANI here, and I'm 1:07:42.360 --> 1:07:44.520 gonna talk health and fitness and stuff on Thursday mornings. 1:07:44.560 --> 1:07:47.880 But yeah, winter's back. Winter's here. Baby. We had that 1:07:47.960 --> 1:07:48.440 early hit. 1:07:48.560 --> 1:07:51.080 It was crazy, multiple inches of snow, and I was 1:07:51.280 --> 1:07:53.680 kind of warming. I was like sixty degrees. Couple, like 1:07:53.840 --> 1:07:56.600 last week, they're golfing and shorts. You're crying out, lou 1:07:56.720 --> 1:07:59.600 like it's Florida or something in January. And now it's 1:07:59.600 --> 1:08:03.640 starting to You're like, well, it's January again, so we're 1:08:03.680 --> 1:08:04.440 in for the grind, right. 1:08:04.640 --> 1:08:06.640 How do I think the holidays too? For most people? 1:08:07.280 --> 1:08:08.880 You know, you a little bit of snow and cold. 1:08:08.680 --> 1:08:11.800 Temperatures, and there's Christmas trees and you know, good drinks 1:08:11.800 --> 1:08:14.480 and food and your and there's revelry and the excitement 1:08:14.480 --> 1:08:16.800 of Christmas and the holidays and getting the other friends 1:08:16.800 --> 1:08:19.360 and family. Also taking some time off as most of 1:08:19.439 --> 1:08:22.080 us did. Most all of us did. And then the 1:08:22.120 --> 1:08:24.040 pattern says and okay, first week in New Year, can't 1:08:24.040 --> 1:08:25.600 wait to get back. Okay, I'm a little slow to 1:08:25.960 --> 1:08:28.040 by this time. By the middle of the month, that's 1:08:28.080 --> 1:08:31.960 when reality strikes, like, Okay, fund's over. I started some 1:08:32.000 --> 1:08:34.200 new things and came out of the blocks running and 1:08:34.240 --> 1:08:36.280 now it's starting to be a pattern and like, oh 1:08:36.280 --> 1:08:39.000 my gosh, now it really hits you, right, So hopefully 1:08:39.040 --> 1:08:40.840 some things in there to help you help you cope 1:08:41.200 --> 1:08:44.000 until we see the sun again. And by the way, 1:08:44.040 --> 1:08:47.160 I'll point out Reds baseball less than seventy days away, 1:08:47.960 --> 1:08:51.160 although I don't know how much we're anticipating it's baseball 1:08:51.200 --> 1:08:54.040 because last night it's inta a center. I saw this 1:08:54.320 --> 1:08:57.320 with Phil Castelini was announced of the crowd, a partnership 1:08:57.320 --> 1:09:01.559 between the university and our Red Legs, and he was speaking, 1:09:01.600 --> 1:09:04.839 but you really couldn't hear that much of it because 1:09:04.880 --> 1:09:06.240 the crowd was booing that loudly. 1:09:06.800 --> 1:09:10.040 Yeh, that's tough, tough times for Cincinnati. 1:09:10.080 --> 1:09:14.639 Sports for sure, normally have anticipation the Reds being great 1:09:14.680 --> 1:09:16.640 and okay, get this, and I think just because that 1:09:16.720 --> 1:09:18.760 Kyle Schwarber thing, a lot of people are down. We'll 1:09:18.760 --> 1:09:19.880 see how it plays out. I mean, they got to 1:09:19.880 --> 1:09:22.000 the playoffs last year. Don't know what's going to push 1:09:22.080 --> 1:09:24.719 him over the top this year. We'll find out. Bengals, 1:09:24.720 --> 1:09:28.920 we've lost all hope there, that's done and over. No 1:09:28.960 --> 1:09:31.479 fun watching other teams play football and your team is 1:09:31.720 --> 1:09:33.840 I don't know where were they the boys. Burrow and 1:09:33.840 --> 1:09:36.360 the boys were in Vegas having a good old time. Fantastic. 1:09:36.400 --> 1:09:36.639 Great. 1:09:37.120 --> 1:09:40.599 Everyone else is focused on the playoffs. I know you see, 1:09:40.600 --> 1:09:42.479 and well Ex did win, so they both won. But 1:09:43.040 --> 1:09:45.360 not turning down when you look at hey, Miami, that's 1:09:45.400 --> 1:09:47.240 our team, Max basketball team. 1:09:47.280 --> 1:09:50.800 Great, they're rolling undefeated. Awesome. We'll see how that goes. 1:09:50.840 --> 1:09:53.600 Anyway, Yeah, it is winner to set in here, a 1:09:53.640 --> 1:09:56.120 lot to look forward to, but you just lean into it. 1:09:56.120 --> 1:09:57.160 I suppose the best way to do it. 1:09:57.240 --> 1:09:58.679 Let me get a time out in we got news 1:09:58.680 --> 1:10:00.800 on the way when we return on this Otsloan show. 1:10:01.600 --> 1:10:05.000 New rules in Kentucky. Three strikes and you're out for renters. 1:10:05.040 --> 1:10:08.200 I like this a lot simply because you know, generally 1:10:08.360 --> 1:10:11.320 people are landlords like myself are looked at as evil people. 1:10:11.439 --> 1:10:13.599 You know, the same people that I guess the folks 1:10:13.640 --> 1:10:16.280 in Minnesota elsewhere they would protest be angry at us 1:10:16.320 --> 1:10:20.680 because you own property. But anyway, the scales in a 1:10:20.720 --> 1:10:23.120 lot of areas have been tilted away from from landlords, 1:10:23.160 --> 1:10:25.679 and I Cincinnati feels that way at times too. Anyway, 1:10:25.760 --> 1:10:27.640 Jesse Brewers here, that gets some new three strikes in 1:10:27.680 --> 1:10:31.280 your outlaw. That's going to go in effect in that community, 1:10:31.479 --> 1:10:33.680 and we'll talk to him coming up after news. A 1:10:33.760 --> 1:10:36.240 quick update speaking of weather, we've got that traffic and 1:10:36.320 --> 1:10:43.320 more just ahead on seven hundred W All Thebody Cincinnati. 1:10:42.520 --> 1:10:45.040 My Scott Fold here on seven hundred W LW. 1:10:45.320 --> 1:10:48.640 So we've heard the story of the Angel Store, about renters, 1:10:48.760 --> 1:10:53.280 the landlords, and there's an effort to reduce repeat emergency 1:10:53.280 --> 1:10:57.599 calls to rental properties. And you know sometimes there are 1:10:57.640 --> 1:11:00.680 properties out there and people renting that are news, at 1:11:00.760 --> 1:11:03.759 least in Kentucky Common Sensus King because they're they're proposing 1:11:03.800 --> 1:11:07.240 a law which would address chronic nuisance occurrences at rental properties, 1:11:07.280 --> 1:11:09.760 a three strikes in your outlaw and on that is 1:11:10.040 --> 1:11:13.719 Boon County Commissioner Jesse Brewer working with State REPTJ. Roberts 1:11:13.720 --> 1:11:16.320 in Northern Kentucky for house spilled three three seven that 1:11:16.360 --> 1:11:18.080 would do justice. Jesse, welcome, how you been? 1:11:18.960 --> 1:11:21.040 Hey, I'm great, Thank you Thanks venting me on to Yeah, 1:11:21.040 --> 1:11:21.560 I appreciate it. 1:11:21.600 --> 1:11:22.120 Appreciate it. 1:11:22.160 --> 1:11:24.000 All right, give me the details of though, First of all, 1:11:24.000 --> 1:11:25.920 why is this needed? How big a problem are the 1:11:26.080 --> 1:11:29.120 nuisance tenants in Northern Kentucky and Boone County. 1:11:29.400 --> 1:11:32.599 So well, it's not just Boone County. It's everywhere. 1:11:32.640 --> 1:11:33.080 This is it. 1:11:33.520 --> 1:11:37.400 It's any area where you have rental property. What if 1:11:37.439 --> 1:11:41.479 you get someone that's excessively abusing public services, you know 1:11:41.560 --> 1:11:44.760 there is this is for the person that plays for 1:11:45.040 --> 1:11:47.960 Radio two loud all the time, or maybe partaking in 1:11:48.040 --> 1:11:50.920 some substances they shouldn't partake in. The neighbors smell it 1:11:50.960 --> 1:11:54.640 and complain or whatever the case may be, what they 1:11:54.680 --> 1:11:55.759 call neighbor. 1:11:55.880 --> 1:11:57.040 Someone calls nine. 1:11:56.840 --> 1:11:59.320 To one one. The police have to go out there. 1:11:59.520 --> 1:12:01.040 The parent I think have to go out there for 1:12:01.080 --> 1:12:05.360 whatever reason. And also not it's taking away from their 1:12:05.439 --> 1:12:07.840 job of what they should be doing, you know, because 1:12:07.880 --> 1:12:10.280 they have to respond no matter what, because what if 1:12:10.280 --> 1:12:12.400 it's that one time there is really a problem, right, 1:12:12.800 --> 1:12:15.479 so they got to respond. Well after they do this 1:12:15.560 --> 1:12:21.280 so many times the cities in County two, they can 1:12:21.360 --> 1:12:24.519 tell the property owner, hey, we got a problem here 1:12:24.520 --> 1:12:25.360 at this property. 1:12:25.360 --> 1:12:26.800 We've been here x y z times. 1:12:27.200 --> 1:12:27.360 You know. 1:12:27.360 --> 1:12:30.280 I had a tenant in a building in the city 1:12:30.280 --> 1:12:32.320 in Kenton County and I think the police were there 1:12:33.160 --> 1:12:38.000 eighteen times in a thirty day span because he would 1:12:38.040 --> 1:12:40.040 just went and put playing a stereo allowed and then 1:12:40.040 --> 1:12:42.640 they were kept calling, and so the city came to 1:12:42.680 --> 1:12:44.720 me and said, hey, you gotta do something about this 1:12:44.800 --> 1:12:49.000 or you're going to start finding you. Well, under current law, 1:12:49.160 --> 1:12:52.800 if a tenant's paying their rent, you can't just give 1:12:52.840 --> 1:12:55.160 them a seven day nose to vacate for non payment rent. 1:12:55.200 --> 1:12:57.080 I know Ohio is three day, but in Kentucky at 1:12:57.160 --> 1:12:59.519 seven you can't just give them a seven day nine 1:12:59.560 --> 1:13:04.120 post non payment notice. You gotta file thirty day eviction notice. 1:13:04.120 --> 1:13:06.800 You gotta file thirty day notice of vacate right then 1:13:06.840 --> 1:13:08.240 you can of victim. So they'll give me in there, 1:13:08.280 --> 1:13:11.320 fornuncio two to three months. Well, what House No. Three 1:13:11.400 --> 1:13:13.920 thirty seven will do is it will allow us to 1:13:13.960 --> 1:13:17.200 shorten that length and that notice period, shorten that up, 1:13:18.400 --> 1:13:21.920 allowing to get them out quicker. The NW sense, which 1:13:21.960 --> 1:13:25.799 is for less of Australia on public services. The property 1:13:25.800 --> 1:13:27.680 owner can then maybe get a tenant in there that's 1:13:27.680 --> 1:13:31.360 a good community member, lower their costs, you know, because 1:13:31.439 --> 1:13:33.080 you got a person that's doing this things tearing the 1:13:33.160 --> 1:13:36.160 place up. Lower my cost I lower my operating costs, 1:13:36.200 --> 1:13:37.200 I lower my housing costs. 1:13:37.240 --> 1:13:39.440 Housing gets cheaper. 1:13:39.600 --> 1:13:40.840 Okay, all right, that makes sense. 1:13:41.000 --> 1:13:41.920 Let me Jesse. 1:13:42.040 --> 1:13:43.840 Let me play devil's advocate for just a second. I 1:13:43.880 --> 1:13:47.679 like being the devil's advocate here. This happened in Ohio 1:13:47.760 --> 1:13:50.679 years ago when we had when gun crimes were starting 1:13:50.680 --> 1:13:52.800 to I guess, become more of an issue than they 1:13:52.840 --> 1:13:55.080 are now. Seems kind of quaint to think that wasn't 1:13:55.080 --> 1:13:57.519 a case. But they decided, Hey, we're gonna sue gun 1:13:57.560 --> 1:13:59.360 man if we're going to have their gun manufactured, then 1:13:59.360 --> 1:14:02.320 the defense will well, you know what, why are you 1:14:02.400 --> 1:14:05.240 soon as well? Because of the cost police fire, emergency 1:14:05.280 --> 1:14:06.559 responders and all that stuff. 1:14:06.840 --> 1:14:09.439 It's a fall of the gun. What aboutpening? 1:14:09.520 --> 1:14:09.640 Is that? 1:14:09.800 --> 1:14:09.960 Well? 1:14:10.000 --> 1:14:12.800 No, that's why police fire and MS exists is in 1:14:12.880 --> 1:14:15.040 order to do that, you can't sue someone for doing 1:14:15.040 --> 1:14:17.519 their job in that case. Does that apply here in 1:14:17.560 --> 1:14:20.600 that Yeah, it might be a nuisance and it's training resources. 1:14:20.640 --> 1:14:24.960 But police fire and MS exists to respond in this 1:14:25.040 --> 1:14:28.280 case nuisance tentence. Police exists to respond to things like 1:14:28.320 --> 1:14:29.679 that as part of their job description. 1:14:30.040 --> 1:14:31.400 Is that an affirmatile defense? 1:14:32.680 --> 1:14:34.640 It could be, but then they're going to look to 1:14:34.720 --> 1:14:36.960 you as a property owner because they have ordinances on 1:14:37.000 --> 1:14:37.559 our folks that. 1:14:37.560 --> 1:14:39.160 Says you have a problem. 1:14:39.200 --> 1:14:41.920 Ten here that's creating and creating us to be called 1:14:42.040 --> 1:14:45.040 come here too much, stucking up too much resources, and 1:14:45.080 --> 1:14:48.640 we're going to start charging you for these trips. Or 1:14:48.840 --> 1:14:51.639 you've got a problem here with this tenant because the 1:14:51.640 --> 1:14:54.599 resident that you're responsible for because we are here too much, 1:14:54.840 --> 1:14:57.720 got it because it's there. So it's I feel what 1:14:57.760 --> 1:15:00.400 you're saying on that. But with the ordinate and laws 1:15:00.439 --> 1:15:02.160 are in the books, we are kind of forced as 1:15:02.160 --> 1:15:03.320 property as to do something. 1:15:03.760 --> 1:15:04.719 Yeah, because because. 1:15:04.520 --> 1:15:07.479 Then I could I could turn that around and go, okay, well, 1:15:07.560 --> 1:15:09.800 if I got to make if we're making multiple runs 1:15:09.840 --> 1:15:11.960 to the same place over and over and over again, 1:15:12.320 --> 1:15:15.080 could that not apply to I don't know, a sports stadium, 1:15:15.160 --> 1:15:17.040 Could that und apply to a university? 1:15:17.040 --> 1:15:19.280 Could that not apply Let's say to a nursing. 1:15:18.960 --> 1:15:22.639 Home where you you know again, whether it's police fire, mss. Okay, 1:15:23.280 --> 1:15:25.519 there's a nursing home here where I live, and in 1:15:25.680 --> 1:15:28.240 every other day there's a squad out front, largely because 1:15:28.240 --> 1:15:30.519 the people inside are the age where they're passing away 1:15:30.600 --> 1:15:35.120 or suffering the debilitating or stressing medical emergencies as comes 1:15:35.120 --> 1:15:38.240 with old age. But no one would agree that, hey, 1:15:38.280 --> 1:15:40.439 you know what, we should target a nursing home because 1:15:40.439 --> 1:15:43.040 of all the response calls we have there because they're 1:15:43.080 --> 1:15:45.720 abusing the system. 1:15:44.880 --> 1:15:46.880 Correct, and that's where the abuse is the system going 1:15:46.920 --> 1:15:48.880 to come in as a specific person. If you have 1:15:48.920 --> 1:15:51.760 a nursing home, large department store, you're getting calls as 1:15:51.880 --> 1:15:55.639 different people, different issues, or they're legitimate medical burgencies. And again, 1:15:55.720 --> 1:16:00.000 this doesn't get triggered unless the city or the municipality 1:16:00.600 --> 1:16:01.439 cite the property. 1:16:01.479 --> 1:16:02.040 Yeah. 1:16:02.479 --> 1:16:05.200 So, and they're not going to do that unless it's 1:16:05.280 --> 1:16:08.240 a legitimate abusive resource. If that's the legitimarieson be there, 1:16:08.240 --> 1:16:10.479 they're not gonna that. Those triggers wouldn't happen. 1:16:10.360 --> 1:16:11.240 Got it, got it? 1:16:11.560 --> 1:16:11.760 Yeah? 1:16:11.800 --> 1:16:14.120 And in Cincinnati, I don't know if it's changed since 1:16:14.240 --> 1:16:16.760 or not. I don't own proper in Cincinnati, but for 1:16:16.800 --> 1:16:18.479 a while they were talking, Hey, you know what, if 1:16:18.479 --> 1:16:21.560 you've got a you know, a tenant that's a problem. 1:16:21.600 --> 1:16:24.400 After a couple occurrences, we're going to start finding the landlord. 1:16:24.439 --> 1:16:26.080 I go, wait a minute, now, if I've got a 1:16:26.120 --> 1:16:28.599 grown ass adult living in one of my units, am 1:16:28.640 --> 1:16:31.559 I responsible to drive by several times a day to 1:16:31.640 --> 1:16:34.479 make sure that individuals not playing their music loud or 1:16:34.479 --> 1:16:36.519 smoking weed in the yard or doing it, and of 1:16:36.520 --> 1:16:39.519 course not that that's on them, not that's not the landlord. 1:16:41.120 --> 1:16:43.599 I don't disagree with you at all, and but they 1:16:43.640 --> 1:16:46.000 look at you as their screen responsible person to. 1:16:46.000 --> 1:16:46.720 Put them in there. 1:16:47.080 --> 1:16:49.360 Mike Kennard has been well, if they owned their own house, 1:16:49.400 --> 1:16:53.479 so you start signing fighting, Yeah exactly said the police said, 1:16:53.560 --> 1:16:54.200 yeah we will. 1:16:54.360 --> 1:16:56.560 There's orgousness for that. I was like, oh, okay. 1:16:57.880 --> 1:17:00.800 To say that, because the people who are responsible we 1:17:00.840 --> 1:17:04.160 won't hold accountable. We'll account the typical in America, the 1:17:04.200 --> 1:17:07.600 people who are responsible accountable, We're gonna hold them responsible 1:17:07.640 --> 1:17:09.679 as opposed to the people are even though they're all adults. 1:17:09.680 --> 1:17:11.040 I could see it doing for a kid, but these 1:17:11.040 --> 1:17:13.160 are grown adults correct. 1:17:13.560 --> 1:17:15.439 And a lot of times when the first responders in 1:17:15.479 --> 1:17:18.439 the cities don't necessarily understand how landlord tenant law works, 1:17:18.439 --> 1:17:20.960 and they're like, get this person out of here, let's 1:17:21.000 --> 1:17:22.960 do process. I gotta give them a thirty day notice, 1:17:23.000 --> 1:17:24.920 I gotta wait for this, I gotta you know those 1:17:24.960 --> 1:17:27.360 hoops I gotta jump through and they don't understand that 1:17:27.520 --> 1:17:30.320 or grasp that, and they get frustrated with you. So 1:17:30.840 --> 1:17:35.360 ideally this would allow us to identify the problem that 1:17:35.640 --> 1:17:38.680 apple is a few and speed up that time to 1:17:38.760 --> 1:17:42.519 save resources, preserve property. You know, if I got a 1:17:42.600 --> 1:17:45.240 tenant that's just junking up the yard and jumping dunk 1:17:45.520 --> 1:17:47.680 junk cars in the yard, doing this and doing that, 1:17:48.160 --> 1:17:49.920 I gotta let them sit there and continue to damage 1:17:49.920 --> 1:17:54.040 the property for an extra month under the current wall. 1:17:54.280 --> 1:17:55.439 Assuming that rents. 1:17:55.600 --> 1:18:00.600 Yeah, this way I can get get the street the problem, 1:18:00.960 --> 1:18:04.040 lower my cost, get a better to in there, make 1:18:04.080 --> 1:18:07.479 the neighbors happy, make the police have apartment, fire department happy, 1:18:07.520 --> 1:18:10.639 code enforcement happy, and everyone wins and. 1:18:10.560 --> 1:18:11.680 It's good for the neighbor's DA. 1:18:11.920 --> 1:18:13.720 If you you know the other thing Jesse Brewer by 1:18:13.720 --> 1:18:15.960 theay Boone County Commissioner on this three strikes you're out 1:18:16.000 --> 1:18:19.240 law that's being proposed in Kentucky, meaning that if police 1:18:19.240 --> 1:18:21.280 have multiple calls, we'll get the details of that. A 1:18:21.280 --> 1:18:24.800 second multiple calls to a rental property, you can, as 1:18:24.800 --> 1:18:27.720 a landlord evict that person that holds them accountable for 1:18:27.760 --> 1:18:30.680 their actions. Because the way in cincinnatalis it was is 1:18:30.760 --> 1:18:32.400 all right, we're going to go after the landlord. If 1:18:32.400 --> 1:18:35.200 it's a new sentenant, Okay, well can I victim Oh no, no, no, no, No, 1:18:35.240 --> 1:18:37.599 that's that's damn near impossible to kick these people out 1:18:37.600 --> 1:18:39.160 because you know you got to go a course the 1:18:39.160 --> 1:18:41.360 whole probable. Wait a minute, hold on just a second. Here, 1:18:41.680 --> 1:18:45.040 this is Jesse. I like you because your common sense 1:18:45.120 --> 1:18:47.240 kind of guy like me. This is just damn common sense. 1:18:47.600 --> 1:18:50.280 Get into the details exactly. Yeah, get in the details 1:18:50.320 --> 1:18:52.320 of what the triggers for this eviction would be. 1:18:53.640 --> 1:18:56.000 So first of all, it starts with if people just 1:18:56.040 --> 1:18:58.759 do what they're supposed to do and be normal human beings, 1:18:58.880 --> 1:19:01.559 you don't have anything to worry about. Right If people 1:19:01.680 --> 1:19:05.439 just do the right thing and not be an a hole, uh, 1:19:05.479 --> 1:19:08.240 you know, then you wouldn't have any issues. But this 1:19:08.439 --> 1:19:11.639 is designed for you know, you got someone that's likes 1:19:11.640 --> 1:19:14.280 to put off a bunch of crap in the yard 1:19:14.320 --> 1:19:17.559 of the property and make it unsafe. They're putting cars 1:19:17.680 --> 1:19:20.040 or putting refrigerators or whatever they want to do. I 1:19:20.120 --> 1:19:23.840 had this happen to me, Well, City pych you as 1:19:23.880 --> 1:19:24.799 they rightfully should. 1:19:24.840 --> 1:19:25.280 I get that. 1:19:25.320 --> 1:19:27.040 Okay, they're gonna side. If you can't do this, we've 1:19:27.040 --> 1:19:29.679 got to ordinate fi get this. You know, after about 1:19:29.720 --> 1:19:32.519 three or four of those you like for one, you 1:19:32.600 --> 1:19:34.800 always find a stack up, and now they're like, get 1:19:34.800 --> 1:19:36.960 this person out of here. You know, we keep coming 1:19:37.000 --> 1:19:39.760 over here to deal the decisions. This person needs to go. Well, 1:19:40.080 --> 1:19:42.439 they pay their rent, so I got to go file 1:19:42.439 --> 1:19:44.960 a third day notice to vacate on them, and then 1:19:45.000 --> 1:19:47.800 I can file an addiction after that if they stay, 1:19:47.800 --> 1:19:49.240 and that's another thirty days. 1:19:49.360 --> 1:19:49.479 Right. 1:19:49.880 --> 1:19:52.360 Meanwhile, you're still dealing with the same issues and the 1:19:52.400 --> 1:19:55.720 frustrations reap or you get another person that you know 1:19:55.760 --> 1:19:57.679 they like to play the stereo a little too loud 1:19:58.040 --> 1:20:00.519 and the neighbors are constantly calling the police. Well, if 1:20:00.560 --> 1:20:03.400 they show about three or four or five times within 1:20:03.439 --> 1:20:06.240 a certain times, man, they will send you a love 1:20:06.320 --> 1:20:09.719 note that says we're gonna start finding you. Mister property owner. 1:20:09.760 --> 1:20:12.360 You need to get your tenant community orders rules in line. 1:20:12.800 --> 1:20:16.439 So's there's some layers that have to happen here. You know, 1:20:16.680 --> 1:20:19.880 you have to have an excessive repeat offender that that 1:20:20.000 --> 1:20:23.639 that has unfounded you know, culture service. Then the city 1:20:23.680 --> 1:20:26.840 would have to cite you or or then the city 1:20:26.840 --> 1:20:29.360 would say okay, this is the problem. They give you 1:20:29.400 --> 1:20:32.080 the notice, then you can do the three day notice 1:20:32.120 --> 1:20:35.240 of vacate. As this law of proposed gotcha and shave 1:20:35.320 --> 1:20:37.719 a month off, the shave a month off the process. 1:20:37.800 --> 1:20:40.160 So you have to have what three three strikes in 1:20:40.200 --> 1:20:41.679 a would you say, six month period. 1:20:42.680 --> 1:20:45.840 That's the current that's how it is currently written, but 1:20:46.479 --> 1:20:48.680 it's a lot of stuff fall discretionary to when the 1:20:48.680 --> 1:20:50.560 city is also cite the landlords. There's still gonna be 1:20:50.560 --> 1:20:53.360 some bugs to work out here. I think the three 1:20:53.400 --> 1:20:55.920 months has three, three and six months. But the city 1:20:55.920 --> 1:20:59.800 doesn't cite you or the county doesn't fit you, then 1:20:59.800 --> 1:21:01.400 there there's no trigger there. They have to be the 1:21:01.400 --> 1:21:02.400 one to take the step aside. 1:21:02.479 --> 1:21:06.920 You well, what about an element of discrimination here in 1:21:06.920 --> 1:21:09.040 a sense that because I'm just trying to think of 1:21:09.120 --> 1:21:11.400 how how one may counter this argument in poke holes 1:21:11.400 --> 1:21:13.240 in it and I'll help the law become better. Let's say, 1:21:13.240 --> 1:21:15.920 for example, Uh, there's some bad neighbors and they don't 1:21:16.000 --> 1:21:18.679 like the person living there because they're young, they're old, 1:21:18.960 --> 1:21:22.080 they're white, they're black, they are I don't know, gay, straight, 1:21:22.160 --> 1:21:24.280 whatever it might be, and like the neighbors like, well, 1:21:24.320 --> 1:21:26.040 you know, or are they you know? I've seen this 1:21:26.080 --> 1:21:28.479 one before too, believe in on political affiliations, we don't 1:21:28.479 --> 1:21:31.320 want this person the neighbor, you do that how do 1:21:31.360 --> 1:21:33.600 we know that those are legitimate calls for service and 1:21:33.640 --> 1:21:36.360 complaints as opposed to someone just trying to run someone 1:21:36.360 --> 1:21:37.000 off of property. 1:21:37.800 --> 1:21:39.760 And that's a good point that's too to be worked out. 1:21:39.840 --> 1:21:42.120 I believe the spirit of the law would be they 1:21:42.120 --> 1:21:44.519 are the problem, not someone calling on them for something 1:21:44.520 --> 1:21:47.320 that they can't control, like one of those types of things. Okay, 1:21:47.360 --> 1:21:49.400 you know you still have they everyone still has a 1:21:49.400 --> 1:21:51.840 First Amendment right. They're still a right, you know, freedom 1:21:51.840 --> 1:21:54.880 of speech and see whatever of religion, political affiliation they want. 1:21:55.280 --> 1:21:57.559 And if they're you know, spare housing has a lot 1:21:57.600 --> 1:22:00.400 of protections there, and someone's calling for one of those 1:22:00.439 --> 1:22:02.080 honored reasons and the city gets there said, well, this 1:22:02.160 --> 1:22:02.719 is don't really. 1:22:02.560 --> 1:22:03.479 Have found a complaint. 1:22:03.920 --> 1:22:06.120 They can't go back on you and make you violate 1:22:06.160 --> 1:22:08.960 fare housing to move someone out because of the coloror 1:22:09.040 --> 1:22:11.559 skin or they're realizing or familys des because and everything life. 1:22:11.600 --> 1:22:13.120 Yeah, I mean, you cand always find a neighbor doing 1:22:13.160 --> 1:22:15.320 something you disagree with, but calling the place, some people 1:22:15.360 --> 1:22:17.320 do that. They're vindictive, they got nothing better to do. 1:22:17.920 --> 1:22:19.920 I've seen it happen. I'm sure you've seen it happen 1:22:19.960 --> 1:22:22.400 with with sentence as well. And whatever the issue is, 1:22:22.840 --> 1:22:25.120 it shouldn't cause you to lose where you live because 1:22:25.120 --> 1:22:27.360 it's the it's the other person's problem, not yours. 1:22:27.960 --> 1:22:29.880 And that's would be where they have to have a 1:22:30.040 --> 1:22:33.799 valid nuisance violation, not something that's what you suggested. 1:22:33.960 --> 1:22:35.759 What would they that's something of it. 1:22:35.640 --> 1:22:38.720 Jesse Burr. Would domestic violence calls be excluded from this? 1:22:39.920 --> 1:22:40.040 Oh? 1:22:40.040 --> 1:22:42.439 I hope so, And that's something I would hope so 1:22:42.560 --> 1:22:45.280 because that's a safety issue, right, I would definitely hope 1:22:45.320 --> 1:22:48.600 that you would have domestic violence issues be screened on that. 1:22:50.360 --> 1:22:52.120 And that's a tricky one because you don't want anyone 1:22:52.160 --> 1:22:53.280 to be in an unstage situation. 1:22:53.479 --> 1:22:55.879 So I believe that's. 1:22:55.720 --> 1:22:58.120 What would be need to be excluded from that as 1:22:58.120 --> 1:23:00.200 a domestic violence called absolutely. 1:23:00.000 --> 1:23:01.880 Got you comissioned a Jesseie Brewer on the Scotserland Show 1:23:01.880 --> 1:23:04.920 seven hundred w but his hospital three thirty seventies helping craft. 1:23:05.320 --> 1:23:08.240 That would create a three strikes and out rule for 1:23:08.479 --> 1:23:12.160 chronic nuisance tenants. So if you get three service calls 1:23:12.200 --> 1:23:14.000 within a six months peer in the granted, those have 1:23:14.080 --> 1:23:16.800 to be verified and this person has to you know, 1:23:17.280 --> 1:23:19.439 you get eighteen noise complaints. As you said, you should 1:23:19.439 --> 1:23:22.320 get run off and it gives three days notice for 1:23:22.400 --> 1:23:24.479 a landlord to evict you. If you are one of 1:23:24.479 --> 1:23:26.480 those people who are using a lot of the resources. 1:23:26.479 --> 1:23:30.640 You mentioned this about saving money and allocate proper allocation resources. Uh, 1:23:30.720 --> 1:23:34.439 there's overtime costs, there's equipment where how how big a 1:23:34.439 --> 1:23:37.000 problem is this really? How many nuisance tenants are there? 1:23:37.040 --> 1:23:38.040 Is it? Is it a huge problem? 1:23:38.040 --> 1:23:42.519 Are the Kentucky it's enough to where we're talking about it, right, 1:23:43.040 --> 1:23:45.040 it's one of it's one of those issues. Is it 1:23:45.320 --> 1:23:47.679 Is it detrimental to the business? 1:23:47.800 --> 1:23:47.880 No? 1:23:48.640 --> 1:23:52.040 Uh, but this would just forment a problem. Yes, it 1:23:52.160 --> 1:23:55.320 does a problem. It's not that we have a lot 1:23:55.360 --> 1:23:57.680 of these problems, but when you have one, it's a 1:23:57.720 --> 1:24:00.719 big problem or could be a big problem and very 1:24:00.760 --> 1:24:05.400 falsely problem for the cities to dispatch services for the 1:24:05.400 --> 1:24:07.439 property or and everything else. So you know, if I 1:24:07.479 --> 1:24:11.080 have one hundred tenants, you know, this might be one 1:24:11.520 --> 1:24:14.120 or two of them. But when you start multiplying, now 1:24:14.240 --> 1:24:16.280 you know across all the rental proper and everything else, 1:24:16.320 --> 1:24:18.439 and compounding it, and you know, you know you have 1:24:18.880 --> 1:24:22.960 ten thousand pieces of rental property nation of city. There's 1:24:23.000 --> 1:24:25.639 a lot of services on a police department, fire department 1:24:25.640 --> 1:24:26.280 to be wasted. 1:24:27.200 --> 1:24:29.679 Not much of a deal at the Northern Kentucky University 1:24:29.880 --> 1:24:33.519 or Mount Sahel, But what about UK Louisville, big universities 1:24:33.520 --> 1:24:36.320 where you have a large number of young people like 1:24:36.360 --> 1:24:38.280 to have fun and be allowed at all hours of 1:24:38.280 --> 1:24:40.920 the night. What about UK Louisville and schools like that 1:24:41.040 --> 1:24:42.640 relative to off campus. 1:24:42.280 --> 1:24:44.920 Housing, well, kus, it could be a little different. So 1:24:44.960 --> 1:24:46.519 I get it's gonna have to be the triggering of 1:24:46.560 --> 1:24:48.600 the calls from the police to the landlord. But a 1:24:48.600 --> 1:24:52.360 lot of those cities already have ordinances in place, and 1:24:52.439 --> 1:24:55.439 what they're going to do is they still if you 1:24:55.479 --> 1:24:57.920 have a problem, they still are going to make you 1:24:57.920 --> 1:25:01.240 get rid of them. This isn't like there's still if 1:25:01.280 --> 1:25:03.360 I have a nuisance problem today right now on the 1:25:03.360 --> 1:25:05.840 current wall, I'm still getting the love brands from the 1:25:05.840 --> 1:25:10.000 city with a citation threats or citation thing deal with this. 1:25:11.240 --> 1:25:14.400 So it just takes me thirty days to get them out, 1:25:14.439 --> 1:25:17.439 and then I know, thirty days. Interesting in theory, if 1:25:17.479 --> 1:25:20.680 I can get them out faster, this could be an 1:25:20.840 --> 1:25:23.200 enticement for people to behave. 1:25:23.000 --> 1:25:26.599 Yeah, yeah, yeah, could very well be. Again, there's a lot. 1:25:26.880 --> 1:25:28.960 There's some perils in here that have to be addressed. 1:25:29.000 --> 1:25:30.920 So I'd imagine it's could take a bit of time 1:25:30.960 --> 1:25:33.000 to get through the legislature, and. 1:25:33.000 --> 1:25:35.240 It may not get through this year. A lot of times, 1:25:35.240 --> 1:25:37.519 the legislation like this comes up and gets introduced for 1:25:37.560 --> 1:25:39.800 a year, they talked about it, this tweak it among 1:25:39.880 --> 1:25:41.800 all the other legislations that they do, and it might 1:25:41.800 --> 1:25:44.280 come back next year looking a little different. But the 1:25:44.360 --> 1:25:47.040 conversation starts the committee meeting here. You can start on 1:25:47.040 --> 1:25:49.519 any legislation that you got to get it introduced. You 1:25:49.560 --> 1:25:51.320 got to get it going, and then you've got to 1:25:51.320 --> 1:25:54.080 get input from the other stakeholders and groups and address it. 1:25:54.080 --> 1:25:55.960 It might take two or three sessions to get something. 1:25:55.760 --> 1:25:56.920 Push now, No, that makes sense. 1:25:57.000 --> 1:25:57.760 Kentucky is the. 1:25:58.120 --> 1:26:01.200 Kentucky is the budget year by annual get sucking. We 1:26:01.280 --> 1:26:03.120 do the budget every other year for two years, so 1:26:03.120 --> 1:26:04.880 it's our bi annual budget year. So there's a lot 1:26:04.880 --> 1:26:08.640 of high priorities in Kentucky right now. You know, I 1:26:08.680 --> 1:26:10.759 know there's they got a lot of like the grooming 1:26:10.800 --> 1:26:14.360 bill that Marian that's a good one he's got filed, 1:26:14.720 --> 1:26:18.040 right So there's a lot of other joh say higher 1:26:18.080 --> 1:26:21.240 priorities for legislators, rightfully, so we've got so much time, 1:26:21.520 --> 1:26:23.759 so this one might make it heard and talked about. 1:26:24.400 --> 1:26:27.720 Isn't really brought and center. It's a niche it's a 1:26:27.800 --> 1:26:30.880 niche issue. It's a niche industry problem for police, fire 1:26:31.640 --> 1:26:34.880 and cities. So but it could get talked about, expand 1:26:34.920 --> 1:26:38.479 upon and move along the typewine. Sure, but there's certain priorities. 1:26:38.479 --> 1:26:40.640 There's only so much time to day for these legislators 1:26:40.680 --> 1:26:43.200 that's to address issues, and they'll get to it and 1:26:43.240 --> 1:26:43.960 they can get to it. 1:26:44.120 --> 1:26:47.799 So yeah, Jesse brew Boone County Commission. Always a pleasure 1:26:47.880 --> 1:26:49.639 having you on and something to think about, for sure. 1:26:49.640 --> 1:26:51.639 I think it's interesting. I want to follow this one, 1:26:51.920 --> 1:26:53.639 uh and see if we can do this in Ohio 1:26:53.720 --> 1:26:57.639 because it makes sense. I think you can't force someone 1:26:57.680 --> 1:26:59.519 to be a good neighbor, but the law should be 1:26:59.520 --> 1:27:02.080 able to help you this one. It's good for the neighborhood. 1:27:02.080 --> 1:27:04.240 It's you think anyway. Jesse, all the best, thanks for 1:27:04.360 --> 1:27:04.760 jumping in. 1:27:05.640 --> 1:27:06.679 Thanks appreciate funning. 1:27:06.680 --> 1:27:09.000 Have a good one, Yeah you too, be well. We'll 1:27:09.000 --> 1:27:11.560 get a news update in wheather'sday concerned. We'll find the 1:27:11.640 --> 1:27:14.000 latest there and therefore, maybe some traffic at two and 1:27:14.080 --> 1:27:16.800 news headlines what's going on in Minnesota and elsewhere? And 1:27:17.000 --> 1:27:19.559 when we return on the Scotslan Show, Oh boy, we 1:27:19.600 --> 1:27:21.559 got issues in the Sloan household. Whether you hear you 1:27:21.600 --> 1:27:23.599 think you got problems in your house? Well you hear 1:27:23.680 --> 1:27:25.400 my wife? That's next seven hundred w other. 1:27:27.240 --> 1:27:30.920 The bells? Do you hear the bells? It could only 1:27:31.000 --> 1:27:31.760 mean one thing. 1:27:32.479 --> 1:27:36.719 It's real estate time with Michelle Sloan, Remax time agent 1:27:36.840 --> 1:27:41.040 and proud proprietor of Sloan Sellshomes dot Com. Heed her 1:27:41.120 --> 1:27:46.599 words or face her wrath on seven hundred wl WI. 1:27:46.880 --> 1:27:47.439 All right, my. 1:27:47.439 --> 1:27:50.360 Wife is here recuperating from her second knee search. How 1:27:50.400 --> 1:27:52.080 many more knees do you need to get done? This 1:27:52.120 --> 1:27:53.360 is starting to cut into my time. 1:27:54.360 --> 1:27:57.240 I think it's the final knee replace. 1:27:56.960 --> 1:27:59.000 That I need to get that three of four it. 1:27:59.640 --> 1:28:03.000 But I'm wondering where you are because I need it 1:28:03.080 --> 1:28:05.719 new ice. I'd like a cup of tea. I would 1:28:05.760 --> 1:28:08.120 like you to turn the fireplace on because it's cold. 1:28:08.720 --> 1:28:13.200 And Bandit is doing fine. He's snapping right here next 1:28:13.280 --> 1:28:15.760 to me, and he is. 1:28:16.240 --> 1:28:18.400 Not you the dog, the dog, not you the dog. 1:28:19.760 --> 1:28:22.720 He's not going to run away because he loves his mama. 1:28:22.840 --> 1:28:26.839 There's no way. So he misses. My wife said, knee surgery. 1:28:27.040 --> 1:28:30.680 Uh second name by both names. And so you know, 1:28:30.720 --> 1:28:32.720 granted I've had a couple of surgeries myself, and you've 1:28:32.760 --> 1:28:34.800 been there. There's no way, though, there's no way in 1:28:34.880 --> 1:28:38.080 hell that I have been this difficult a patient as 1:28:38.120 --> 1:28:38.680 you are with me. 1:28:38.720 --> 1:28:40.200 I'm just going to go on record of saying. 1:28:40.000 --> 1:28:43.480 That, oh please, very demanding. 1:28:43.600 --> 1:28:48.840 Very demanding. I'm up this morning at five o'clock. I 1:28:48.840 --> 1:28:52.760 get early, get up right, and I got to take 1:28:52.760 --> 1:28:54.760 the dog out, because you know you can't do that, 1:28:54.840 --> 1:28:56.120 s all right. I take him and he doesn't want 1:28:56.120 --> 1:28:58.120 to go for a walkie. I get the leash. He 1:28:58.240 --> 1:29:00.760 buries himself back under the covers, does not want to move. 1:29:00.760 --> 1:29:02.400 I got to drag him off the bed like an 1:29:02.439 --> 1:29:05.719 otter down a hill and take him outside. It's thirty 1:29:05.760 --> 1:29:09.120 degrees blows here, it's snowing outside, it's cold. I get out, 1:29:09.160 --> 1:29:11.960 walk start walking, and he sees something in the dark 1:29:12.000 --> 1:29:14.120 that I didn't see, and he takes off. The only 1:29:14.200 --> 1:29:16.479 problem was in the darkness and such when I attached 1:29:16.479 --> 1:29:18.920 the leash, I must have attached it to the ring 1:29:19.000 --> 1:29:21.880 that has the tags the dog tags on as opposed 1:29:21.880 --> 1:29:23.800 to the one that's actually on the collar. Well, of 1:29:23.800 --> 1:29:26.240 course that gives way and breaks, and he's gone. He's 1:29:26.320 --> 1:29:29.599 I mean, he is just vanished. And now I'm out there. 1:29:29.640 --> 1:29:31.679 It's cold. I'm like, oh my god. So I'm walking 1:29:31.720 --> 1:29:33.880 like ten minutes. I call you and say, the dog 1:29:33.920 --> 1:29:35.559 got away. I don't know where he is. He saw something, 1:29:35.600 --> 1:29:38.120 a deer. He's down the street. So I'm walking around 1:29:38.120 --> 1:29:40.719 looking for the stupid dog, freezing my you know what's off? 1:29:41.240 --> 1:29:43.200 And uh, get back the house. I'm like, well, I 1:29:43.439 --> 1:29:45.479 gotta go to work. I gotta leave. I'm late already. 1:29:46.040 --> 1:29:47.799 And eventually he just. 1:29:48.400 --> 1:29:49.559 Dog out in the wild. 1:29:49.800 --> 1:29:51.320 He'll come back. What do you want me to do? 1:29:51.760 --> 1:29:53.760 What am I gonna do? Go house to house with 1:29:53.840 --> 1:29:55.479 a search? Warn what am I one of my ice? 1:29:56.200 --> 1:29:56.840 Yeah? 1:29:57.000 --> 1:29:59.000 He just start kicking doors and looking for this dog. 1:29:59.479 --> 1:30:02.679 Anyway to work? If I can't, I can't. I can't 1:30:03.000 --> 1:30:04.400 walk on my own house. 1:30:04.479 --> 1:30:04.960 I know him. 1:30:05.080 --> 1:30:06.880 I know you can't, but the dog is you have 1:30:06.920 --> 1:30:09.639 to find his way back and scratch it. So eventually 1:30:09.640 --> 1:30:11.280 he did find his way back, and he was crying 1:30:11.320 --> 1:30:12.760 to the back because I went to the house and 1:30:12.920 --> 1:30:14.439 a couple of minutes later he's like, well done, it's 1:30:14.479 --> 1:30:18.919 cold over here. So I let him back in crisis averted. 1:30:20.080 --> 1:30:23.800 I just hope you he'll say, sooner than later. Let's 1:30:23.800 --> 1:30:27.519 put it that way, sooner than later. Yeah, I'm getting eyes. 1:30:28.439 --> 1:30:32.200 Honey, honey, honey. It's not even been a week. 1:30:32.360 --> 1:30:33.280 It feels like a month. 1:30:34.040 --> 1:30:37.880 So I had well, that's because six weeks seven weeks ago, 1:30:37.920 --> 1:30:41.839 I had knee number one done, and then six days 1:30:41.880 --> 1:30:46.720 ago I had knee number two done. So we know, like, 1:30:47.040 --> 1:30:49.320 and you went and left me and went off to work, 1:30:49.600 --> 1:30:53.080 you know, because they need you there apparently, and I 1:30:53.240 --> 1:30:58.320 need you to be my nurse or find another hunky 1:30:58.360 --> 1:30:59.599 man to come get me. 1:30:59.600 --> 1:31:01.320 My seat into my tee. 1:31:01.400 --> 1:31:03.200 Can I have some water and bring it back? Can 1:31:03.240 --> 1:31:03.920 I have ice? 1:31:04.280 --> 1:31:04.479 Yeah? 1:31:04.479 --> 1:31:06.320 Hold on, let me get ice. I'm going to need 1:31:06.320 --> 1:31:09.880 a straw. Okay, Hey, do you have a different container 1:31:09.920 --> 1:31:10.760 for the alright? 1:31:10.920 --> 1:31:15.320 No, all right, you have zero patience for this job. 1:31:15.880 --> 1:31:17.880 I think I've been doing that's not fair. I think 1:31:17.880 --> 1:31:19.000 I've been doing quite well. 1:31:19.840 --> 1:31:24.160 No, no, no, you it's you've been fine, but fine. 1:31:24.880 --> 1:31:29.040 You need to work on your what's it called the skills? 1:31:28.760 --> 1:31:35.320 The skills. Your best side manner is to be desired. 1:31:35.360 --> 1:31:38.439 I've been biting my tongue pretty well because there's a 1:31:38.479 --> 1:31:41.680 pattern here where it's like, do you need I know? 1:31:41.760 --> 1:31:43.559 Do you I'd love doing it because you were there 1:31:43.600 --> 1:31:46.360 for me. That's part of the partnership of a strong marriage. 1:31:46.400 --> 1:31:48.800 But at the same time, it's like, Okay, do you 1:31:48.880 --> 1:31:50.960 need anything, No, I'm good, I'll sit down, getting going. 1:31:51.200 --> 1:31:53.160 Hey can you get me all right? Hold on, go 1:31:53.240 --> 1:31:54.720 get it? Okay, good, sit back down. 1:31:54.840 --> 1:31:59.080 Hey do you need anything now? No, I'm good, Hey 1:31:59.120 --> 1:31:59.800 can you bring it? 1:32:01.960 --> 1:32:04.160 Well? I don't need it. It's something when you asked 1:32:04.200 --> 1:32:07.280 me and then I might need something. It's just part 1:32:07.320 --> 1:32:09.040 of it, part. 1:32:09.000 --> 1:32:11.799 Of part of the fun of growing old. 1:32:11.640 --> 1:32:13.320 Together so much. 1:32:13.880 --> 1:32:15.439 You got any real estate, So what do you do 1:32:15.479 --> 1:32:16.000 in real estate? 1:32:16.000 --> 1:32:16.240 Wise? 1:32:16.280 --> 1:32:18.000 You're sitting on your asstate. 1:32:18.040 --> 1:32:19.920 Okay, so I have time on my hand. 1:32:20.160 --> 1:32:23.400 I know that, and that's what's compounding the issue. Anyway, 1:32:24.800 --> 1:32:25.479 I'm bored. 1:32:25.280 --> 1:32:27.840 Out of my skull, but I have now I have 1:32:27.920 --> 1:32:30.880 one hundred facts about Greenland. Do you want to know 1:32:30.920 --> 1:32:33.960 about it? Because wait, what our president you're doing? 1:32:34.400 --> 1:32:36.800 This is supposed to be about well us complaining about 1:32:36.800 --> 1:32:39.280 each other but also also real estate. 1:32:39.320 --> 1:32:40.920 What does this guy do with real estate? 1:32:41.800 --> 1:32:44.400 It's everything to do with real estate. Because if you're 1:32:44.400 --> 1:32:49.240 going to spend seven hundred billion dollars to buy the 1:32:49.479 --> 1:32:52.559 largest island on earth? Did you know that Greenland is 1:32:52.600 --> 1:32:57.559 the largest land mass, largest island on Earth. It has 1:32:57.600 --> 1:33:03.560 some ulatural resources, rare minerals and oil potential and fisheries, 1:33:03.600 --> 1:33:05.960 so it's got a lot of nice fresh sift. It 1:33:05.960 --> 1:33:09.600 seems a little cold in Greenland. I must admits I 1:33:09.720 --> 1:33:11.760 have I have some time on my hands, so I 1:33:11.800 --> 1:33:14.439 thought it would be fun to do a breakdown on 1:33:15.240 --> 1:33:18.960 you know, if you were to buy this island of 1:33:19.000 --> 1:33:22.760 Greenland for seven hundred billion dollars, I feel like that's 1:33:22.840 --> 1:33:25.559 kind of a pretty good deal right now. So you know, 1:33:25.600 --> 1:33:27.960 if you're in the market to buy Greenland, you should 1:33:27.960 --> 1:33:29.880 call me because that commission. 1:33:29.400 --> 1:33:31.280 Is going to be just what I mean, after you 1:33:31.320 --> 1:33:33.120 sell this thing, how many signs are going to be 1:33:33.160 --> 1:33:36.599 in my garage? 1:33:37.520 --> 1:33:39.840 I will need a few signs. I'm going to have 1:33:39.880 --> 1:33:41.840 to do it. You know, you have to invest in 1:33:41.960 --> 1:33:42.960 order to make money. 1:33:43.439 --> 1:33:46.600 So big breakdown. 1:33:49.120 --> 1:33:52.360 So apparently it's not like a typical mortgage when you 1:33:52.479 --> 1:33:55.719 do the seven hundred billion dollars. You know you buy 1:33:55.760 --> 1:33:59.760 something for that much. It's something called sovereign debt. I 1:33:59.760 --> 1:34:01.120 don't really know what that means. 1:34:01.600 --> 1:34:04.800 Well, your first talk, extensive sovereign debt basically is us 1:34:04.840 --> 1:34:06.840 borrowing more money we can't afford to borrow. That's what 1:34:06.920 --> 1:34:09.800 sovereign debt is. Secondly, yeah, I don't think. I don't 1:34:09.800 --> 1:34:15.160 think you do installment payments for this thing I down or. 1:34:15.160 --> 1:34:18.759 Well yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, I guess those details. Seriously, 1:34:18.800 --> 1:34:19.679 I have the information. 1:34:19.880 --> 1:34:22.160 Oh my god, very important? Is this you? Is this 1:34:22.240 --> 1:34:23.759 real life orsus the meds talking? 1:34:25.040 --> 1:34:26.799 Well, it might be a little high, but that's okay. 1:34:27.720 --> 1:34:32.719 I feel pretty good right now, Jah payment twenty percent 1:34:33.000 --> 1:34:37.160 down payment on a seven hundred billion dollars is what? 1:34:37.360 --> 1:34:38.880 How much down is? 1:34:38.920 --> 1:34:41.439 One hundred and billion dollars? That's all? 1:34:41.640 --> 1:34:41.920 Okay? 1:34:42.000 --> 1:34:45.679 Nothing your loan amount so eighty percent your loan amounts 1:34:45.680 --> 1:34:48.320 isn't going to be five hundred and sixty billion dollars 1:34:48.640 --> 1:34:53.000 over the term of fifty years. Now, in my assumptions, 1:34:53.080 --> 1:34:57.880 I'm only a sum of a rate a mortgagrade of 1:34:57.920 --> 1:35:01.880 five percent. Six That seems really low, but let's just 1:35:01.960 --> 1:35:03.320 go with it, Okay, Now, what's. 1:35:03.160 --> 1:35:05.240 Your what's your monthly payment? Just give me the bottle 1:35:05.240 --> 1:35:06.439 of what monthly want? 1:35:06.640 --> 1:35:13.240 Okay, two point seven two billion dollars a month a month. 1:35:14.400 --> 1:35:17.599 But then you have the debt service and you know 1:35:17.720 --> 1:35:22.160 annually you're paying thirty two point six billions. So really 1:35:22.200 --> 1:35:26.160 you end up like a lot of properties, the Devil's 1:35:26.160 --> 1:35:28.000 and the details, because you're going to be spending a 1:35:28.040 --> 1:35:30.120 heck of a lot more than seven hundred billion for 1:35:30.200 --> 1:35:36.479 this property, because once you factor in the interest and 1:35:36.560 --> 1:35:40.320 the compounding, you're spending a really lot of money on 1:35:41.120 --> 1:35:41.799 this property. 1:35:41.840 --> 1:35:42.160 Well do you? 1:35:42.280 --> 1:35:45.639 But that's okay because Greenland is a beautiful place. I've 1:35:45.640 --> 1:35:49.960 seen pictures on the TV. No it isn't it's a 1:35:50.000 --> 1:35:50.759 beautiful place. 1:35:50.800 --> 1:35:52.960 No, Iceland is the one you want. Greenland is the 1:35:52.960 --> 1:35:53.719 one you don't want. 1:35:54.760 --> 1:35:57.200 No, Greenland is fine, green Onom is fine. 1:35:58.160 --> 1:36:01.760 People can listen. You're in centinnt he high right you complain. 1:36:02.040 --> 1:36:03.800 Look at the weather right now, people, Oh my god, 1:36:03.840 --> 1:36:06.439 it's so cold and it's so cold as snow. When 1:36:06.520 --> 1:36:08.479 it's a little bit of snow green and a lot 1:36:08.479 --> 1:36:09.240 of snow. 1:36:10.040 --> 1:36:12.760 It's pretty cold. Yeah, you'll get used to it though. 1:36:12.800 --> 1:36:15.040 Your body acclimates to that kind of weather. 1:36:15.400 --> 1:36:17.360 No, they don't. Do you know who lives in Greenland? 1:36:18.320 --> 1:36:19.479 No, I don't. 1:36:19.520 --> 1:36:22.719 Do you know the population of Greenland, the biggest island 1:36:22.880 --> 1:36:23.799 in the world. Correct? 1:36:23.800 --> 1:36:24.280 Do you know the. 1:36:24.280 --> 1:36:26.960 Population fifty thousand or something? 1:36:27.000 --> 1:36:30.640 Fifty seven thousand people, which is like the size of 1:36:30.680 --> 1:36:33.760 a suburb in Cincinnati. Oh, over that vast expanse and 1:36:33.800 --> 1:36:35.160 they're all ino wits. 1:36:35.600 --> 1:36:39.320 It's fine, okay, So we do have to worry about 1:36:39.360 --> 1:36:43.479 the operating cost. So on top of our seven hundred billion, 1:36:43.880 --> 1:36:47.080 we have operating costs of about twenty one billion a year. 1:36:47.520 --> 1:36:52.559 When you talk about infrastructure, healthcare, government, defense, No, this is. 1:36:52.520 --> 1:36:54.320 As is, This is as is now? 1:36:54.560 --> 1:36:56.559 Well, yeah, what you're gonna have it's just like you're 1:36:56.560 --> 1:37:00.160 gonna have to pay the electric bill. 1:37:00.280 --> 1:37:02.600 This isn't a house. It's what do you do? Do 1:37:02.640 --> 1:37:04.879 you do you? How do you do an inspection? 1:37:06.200 --> 1:37:07.559 Well, I don't know. We're gonna have to go house 1:37:07.600 --> 1:37:10.000 to house. It's going to take a while. You know, 1:37:10.160 --> 1:37:14.519 it'll be fine the inspection. I know, people, there's a 1:37:14.640 --> 1:37:15.479 crack over here. 1:37:15.600 --> 1:37:16.479 So I don't know. 1:37:16.560 --> 1:37:21.800 I don't like the way this boulder inspecting a country. 1:37:21.960 --> 1:37:23.800 What is wrong with you? 1:37:23.840 --> 1:37:24.040 No? 1:37:24.040 --> 1:37:26.680 No, no, but here's the thing. There's some revenue to 1:37:26.680 --> 1:37:27.280 be made there. 1:37:27.360 --> 1:37:29.240 Can you buy a home? Can you buy a wouldn't 1:37:29.240 --> 1:37:31.080 be a homework. Can you be a country warranty. 1:37:30.720 --> 1:37:31.080 On this thing? 1:37:32.680 --> 1:37:34.160 Yeah? I don't know. 1:37:34.320 --> 1:37:36.000 If the furnace breaks, you pay I don't know, two 1:37:36.040 --> 1:37:37.480 hundred dollars deductible. 1:37:37.000 --> 1:37:37.599 That can fix it. 1:37:37.720 --> 1:37:40.800 I don't know. But you know they have fisheries there, yeah, 1:37:40.840 --> 1:37:43.240 and they have mining and I bet there's some really 1:37:43.320 --> 1:37:44.360 pretty rocks there. 1:37:45.080 --> 1:37:45.240 Yeah. 1:37:45.280 --> 1:37:47.000 We're good on rocks. We have a grand canyon full 1:37:47.040 --> 1:37:48.000 of them. We're good. 1:37:49.080 --> 1:37:52.240 But what about tourism. They're going to have to increase. 1:37:52.680 --> 1:37:53.920 I don't think you can go there now. 1:37:54.280 --> 1:37:56.760 Out there, I don't think there's any real hotels there. 1:37:56.800 --> 1:37:58.920 You might have to just get an airbnb and something. 1:37:59.080 --> 1:37:59.400 How much? 1:37:59.600 --> 1:38:01.000 How long to recoup our costs? 1:38:01.000 --> 1:38:03.360 Because it's an investment, right, this is the and you know, 1:38:03.439 --> 1:38:05.720 as you know, buying Greenland would be the most the 1:38:05.720 --> 1:38:07.519 biggest investment we have. 1:38:09.200 --> 1:38:11.640 Okay, so we think investment, but it's not it's not, 1:38:11.720 --> 1:38:13.640 as you know, it's not as big as you know 1:38:13.720 --> 1:38:18.120 the payoffs that we did to like during COVID, when 1:38:18.160 --> 1:38:21.320 everybody got like five dollars or something or. 1:38:21.280 --> 1:38:23.559 The two grand allegend we're going to get I don't 1:38:23.560 --> 1:38:25.519 know about that. So they've got okay, but all right, 1:38:25.560 --> 1:38:27.880 you've got fishing and tourism. But we it's not like 1:38:27.920 --> 1:38:29.720 we don't have a shortage of fish. Now we get 1:38:29.720 --> 1:38:30.599 the fish from Greenland. 1:38:30.640 --> 1:38:36.479 Anyway, I know this isn't it just better to rent, better. 1:38:36.320 --> 1:38:40.240 To own than rent. It's always better to own than rent, 1:38:40.600 --> 1:38:47.360 and always better to use the I think I think, really, 1:38:48.479 --> 1:38:51.599 I think there really are no no, no, it's good. 1:38:52.439 --> 1:38:58.679 Apparently though the investment, we're going to lose about fifty 1:38:58.960 --> 1:39:03.760 billion a year you're on this investment. It's how you 1:39:03.880 --> 1:39:04.519 just told me. 1:39:04.439 --> 1:39:05.080 A second ago. 1:39:05.120 --> 1:39:08.400 You said, well, you know, you spend money, make money, 1:39:08.400 --> 1:39:09.720 But how are we losing money then? 1:39:10.640 --> 1:39:13.400 Because the cost of owning it and the amount of 1:39:13.760 --> 1:39:17.240 interest that we're paying. You know, it's the problem. 1:39:17.320 --> 1:39:20.160 It's like we've got a what thirty eight thirty nine 1:39:20.240 --> 1:39:22.519 trillion dollar debt, so you know, what's another couple of 1:39:22.520 --> 1:39:24.640 percentage points is what you're saying. But that's how we 1:39:24.680 --> 1:39:25.960 got this problem in the first place. 1:39:26.600 --> 1:39:30.120 But seven hundred billion is only if you look at 1:39:30.120 --> 1:39:32.880 our debt that we have right now that just like 1:39:34.400 --> 1:39:39.360 every second every minute. It's only about one point one 1:39:39.400 --> 1:39:42.080 and a half percentage were buying green One. 1:39:42.160 --> 1:39:42.799 This is unreal. 1:39:43.240 --> 1:39:47.559 This is gonna be the dumbest segment we've ever done. 1:39:48.160 --> 1:39:50.080 This is so stupid. It should be at one thirty 1:39:50.080 --> 1:39:51.320 and two thirty in the afternoon. 1:39:52.680 --> 1:39:57.320 No, no, this is good stuff. This is very important. 1:39:57.320 --> 1:39:58.360 People need to know. 1:39:58.680 --> 1:40:02.120 That we're buying Greenland. That was How big a sign 1:40:02.200 --> 1:40:03.240 would you have to have? 1:40:03.600 --> 1:40:03.640 That? 1:40:03.720 --> 1:40:06.800 Says Michelle Sloane. How big is sign do you need to. 1:40:07.800 --> 1:40:10.439 I need something in space? So I might need like 1:40:10.439 --> 1:40:12.840 a satellite, So let's add that to the price. 1:40:12.920 --> 1:40:15.240 Well, you're high right now, so satellite would be you 1:40:15.240 --> 1:40:16.080 could just reach over. 1:40:20.360 --> 1:40:23.680 No, maybe some drones. How about a drone show with 1:40:23.840 --> 1:40:24.679 my name and life? 1:40:25.520 --> 1:40:25.640 No? 1:40:26.360 --> 1:40:27.960 Yeah, you could be drowning right now. 1:40:27.960 --> 1:40:34.840 I don't all right, So if you want to buy 1:40:35.160 --> 1:40:35.960 what a mess? 1:40:36.680 --> 1:40:38.040 You need to come home now. 1:40:38.479 --> 1:40:41.400 Believe me, Believe me. I cannot wait to not get 1:40:41.400 --> 1:40:44.720 home my wife. Michelle Sloane. Uh Sloan sells homes dot 1:40:44.760 --> 1:40:49.080 com open house show, remaxed time in Manville. And I 1:40:49.080 --> 1:40:51.160 don't know if I don't know if this is a 1:40:51.200 --> 1:40:53.080 good endorsement for your abilities right now? 1:40:53.120 --> 1:40:53.960 The way you're rambling. 1:40:54.080 --> 1:40:57.840 Fine, it's totally fine. Everybody thinks this is funny. 1:40:58.000 --> 1:41:01.640 She's on drugs, folks, because she orne done. And I 1:41:01.680 --> 1:41:04.040 don't know why we're talking about buying making a case 1:41:04.080 --> 1:41:05.120 for buying Greenland here. 1:41:05.160 --> 1:41:07.960 I'm not sure something I have to say though. This 1:41:08.120 --> 1:41:11.599 is just hypothetical, this is real life. 1:41:11.680 --> 1:41:12.080 I don't know. 1:41:12.479 --> 1:41:15.040 You know, the worry is okay, national security worried about 1:41:15.080 --> 1:41:16.559 Russia or China taking it over? 1:41:16.760 --> 1:41:17.240 How about this? 1:41:17.560 --> 1:41:20.080 Why don't we wait and see if China or Russia, 1:41:20.120 --> 1:41:21.880 which by the way, has a lot of cold air 1:41:21.920 --> 1:41:22.760 siber pretty good. 1:41:23.000 --> 1:41:24.639 We got Siberia. I don't think we need. 1:41:24.520 --> 1:41:27.519 Another frozen rock out there. If they get close to 1:41:27.600 --> 1:41:30.800 like threatening to take over, then we move in. That's 1:41:30.840 --> 1:41:32.920 kind of what NATO does. So I don't know the 1:41:32.960 --> 1:41:34.800 whole thing. I fit well, you know, if Russia gets 1:41:34.800 --> 1:41:37.720 ahold of this, Russia really talk with Ukraine, they are 1:41:37.720 --> 1:41:39.960 they really talking about Greenland? Is that is that in 1:41:40.000 --> 1:41:42.559 the top ten for putin or g with the China? 1:41:42.600 --> 1:41:43.880 Like, I don't know. 1:41:43.920 --> 1:41:45.640 I'd rather just kind of wait and see how it 1:41:45.720 --> 1:41:47.920 plays out. I'm pretty sure Greenland's gonna be okay. 1:41:49.560 --> 1:41:52.120 You know that and they really don't want us there. 1:41:53.200 --> 1:41:55.360 I mean, if we wanted to, they. 1:41:55.240 --> 1:41:57.200 Said that, they said that they're not for. 1:41:57.120 --> 1:41:59.639 Sale fifty six thou wits. I mean, you know it's 1:41:59.680 --> 1:41:59.960 not good. 1:42:00.080 --> 1:42:04.439 Be that hardest, Like it's like the farmland that you know, 1:42:04.560 --> 1:42:07.800 they're really not interested in selling unless you bring them 1:42:07.840 --> 1:42:09.360 seven hundred billion dollars. 1:42:10.479 --> 1:42:12.080 Yeah, I don't think dan Mark is really going to 1:42:12.120 --> 1:42:13.479 be that. What are they going to stand up to us? 1:42:13.479 --> 1:42:16.479 This is like I don't know, there's like the Germans 1:42:16.560 --> 1:42:18.320 roll into France in World War two, right, it was 1:42:18.360 --> 1:42:18.960 pretty easy. 1:42:20.520 --> 1:42:22.040 Well there, I don't think you have much of a 1:42:22.080 --> 1:42:22.760 defense there. 1:42:23.040 --> 1:42:24.439 Yeah, I don't. I don't think so either. I mean, 1:42:24.439 --> 1:42:25.640 if we wanted, we could take it. 1:42:25.680 --> 1:42:28.759 But I don't have solar bears and stuff. I haven't 1:42:28.760 --> 1:42:30.320 really researched the types. 1:42:30.080 --> 1:42:32.040 Of the I got an idea, Michelle, why do you 1:42:32.080 --> 1:42:34.719 get off the phone with me and call the White House? 1:42:35.640 --> 1:42:37.160 Why don't you. 1:42:36.960 --> 1:42:40.840 Try and just call the switchboard at sixteen Ounred Pennsylvania Avenue, 1:42:40.880 --> 1:42:43.240 say I want to talk to Trump. I got an idea. 1:42:43.760 --> 1:42:46.360 I got he needs a real estate agent, is what 1:42:46.400 --> 1:42:49.080 he needs? Licensed in Greenland? 1:42:50.280 --> 1:42:51.479 Right now, you are. 1:42:51.479 --> 1:42:53.679 Probably update my license because I'm. 1:42:53.479 --> 1:42:55.720 Only like, based on the met's talking right now, I'm 1:42:55.760 --> 1:42:59.280 pretty sure you're also able to sell real estate on 1:42:59.360 --> 1:43:00.400 Jupiter anyway. 1:43:01.040 --> 1:43:03.719 All right, I love you. I'll see you probably sometime 1:43:03.760 --> 1:43:04.680 next week. I gotta go. 1:43:04.840 --> 1:43:08.760 You need to come home right away? Yeah, I uh, 1:43:08.880 --> 1:43:09.400 I have need. 1:43:09.640 --> 1:43:12.519 I think I'm going to Greenland. Let me go scope 1:43:12.520 --> 1:43:13.960 it out for you. I'll be I'll be back in 1:43:14.040 --> 1:43:16.000 a couple of weeks. My wife Michelle Sloan on The 1:43:16.040 --> 1:43:18.360 Men this morning. Here, I don't know what just happened, 1:43:18.360 --> 1:43:20.479 but it just did. Willie's on the way next seven 1:43:20.560 --> 1:43:21.719 hundred WWT sincenat