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Speaker 1: An. It's time for another edition of Mace in your

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Speaker 1: Face now.

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Speaker 2: Along with college Football Immortality Glenn Mason, here's Dan Burrero.

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Speaker 2: When you're Glenn Mason, you don't show up by yourself.

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Speaker 2: You show up with your own posse. That's unbelievable. You

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Speaker 2: want you want to introduce the rest of the audience.

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Speaker 1: It's not a possible, Okay, it's an entourage is better?

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Speaker 3: You're right there? You really do? You got? Well?

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Speaker 2: Is posse a French word? And entourage is I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to touch that. I don't touch that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right, that's true.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: But you know you you got my partner who you've

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Speaker 1: met before.

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Speaker 2: Yes, you know.

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Speaker 3: It's uh.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, I scored some points without even

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Speaker 2: knowing it. I know we didn't plan it. We didn't

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Speaker 2: talk about this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The glasses you brought in today, I haven't union in

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Speaker 2: a while. She happens to love him. These are very old,

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Speaker 2: but they're distinct. You look very distinguished. Thank you, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: thank you? Yeah, but you know you like Marsha? She

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Speaker 2: could you not?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean for sure? Pretty good?

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Speaker 2: Who else did you bring?

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Speaker 3: And David Denno our friend.

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Speaker 2: Guards he's good buddy, right.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but anyway, it happens to be a Michigan man.

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Speaker 1: That's yeah, No, it's good and uh. But anyway, he

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Speaker 1: has a place here, but he's resident of Tampa, and

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Speaker 1: he might be one of the finest hosts when you're

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Speaker 1: in a city. Clearly, I mean I stopped by there.

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Speaker 1: I've never been treated that way. I have heard nothing.

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Speaker 3: But that's great. And he listens to the show all

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Speaker 3: the time.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate that he's really impressed with me.

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Speaker 2: You not so much.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the way it goes.

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Speaker 2: Those are the people that you tend to tell me about.

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Speaker 2: The people who actually are more impressed with me than you.

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Speaker 2: I never hear about, not because they don't exist, but

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Speaker 2: because you don't want to know.

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Speaker 1: Normally what happens to me, you know, because I'm not

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Speaker 1: a man of the people. I'm out there, but people

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Speaker 1: say to me, hey, really she realized what is Burrera

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Speaker 1: really like?

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Speaker 2: And what you say?

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Speaker 3: I can't go there, I just I can't.

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Speaker 1: You don't ever defend me, defend you, you know what.

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Speaker 1: I probably heat more praise on you than you deserve.

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Speaker 2: That's probably true, But I had a congratulations though, thank you.

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Speaker 2: I got the cap on today and I had yesterday.

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Speaker 1: And I oh, no, one probably could know because I've

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Speaker 1: been I've been singing their praises, yeah, for a long time.

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Speaker 3: And uh, I'm still amazed. And uh people are trying to.

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Speaker 1: Thirty five years major college coaching, you know, not even

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Speaker 1: after part being a fan of the TV and stuff.

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Speaker 1: The greatest turnaround of a college football program, of maybe

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Speaker 2: That's not anybody that's not recent is in.

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Speaker 1: Anybody that has been involved all right, nationally or even

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Speaker 2: All right, let me play the part of a number

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Speaker 2: Devil's advocate stuff. Even though I agree with you they

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Speaker 2: say it's apples and oranges, there's a number of conditions

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Speaker 2: that exist in college football now that makes it more

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Speaker 1: Und championship that shouldn't play a high state both those

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Speaker 1: What do you say to those who say, okay, here's

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Speaker 1: and ever and ever, you could only give twenty five

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: I heard Kurt Signetti talk about me a reference and

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Speaker 1: guys off and Signetti said he gave ninety five scholarships year.

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Speaker 3: It's not true. He gave eighty six.

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Speaker 1: I remember that. I was in Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania time.

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Speaker 1: And he also said, plus he recruited Tony dor said, no,

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Speaker 1: Nil and all the stuff that makes it buying players legal,

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Speaker 1: won the national championship. Was still my bikely but it

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Speaker 1: was that was that was easier to explain. If he

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Speaker 1: the performance of the players, and you leave out the

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Speaker 1: can tell you they're a well coached football team. And

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Speaker 3: I'd like to see it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't disagree with pretty much any of that.

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Speaker 2: What's interesting about the game to me yesterday was, and

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Speaker 3: A tip up the team and that stood out.

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Speaker 1: That guy was the lineman of the year in the

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Speaker 1: It was like, I mean he didn't give that look

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Speaker 1: I did it. You know a couple of other things, Dan,

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Speaker 1: I just want to say, let's not lose sight, but.

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Speaker 3: Signetty did it.

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Speaker 1: Indiana, that's a basketball school, or let me put it

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Speaker 1: this way, now used to be a basketball school.

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Speaker 3: They're not going to.

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Speaker 1: Be said anywhere all wait the basketball season and I

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Speaker 1: now what Indiana has realized and I saw their president,

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Speaker 1: I mean, boy, she's soaking this up big time. But

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Speaker 1: the impact, financial impact that that's hell on Bloomington, Indiana.

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Speaker 1: Now what people don't realize because I used to coach

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Speaker 1: it's basketball, and they never got it. The impact that

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Speaker 1: But the other thing is now going to happen. I

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 1: He ain't coach here forever. You know, Bobby Knight. This

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Speaker 1: Bobby Knight anymore. No, it's going to be coach Signetti.

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Speaker 2: So the question is always how is it harder to

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Speaker 2: like he's changed everything I mentioned, You know, the Barnett

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Speaker 2: but then it didn't get sustained. So is this new

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Speaker 2: environment make it easier for Signet? I'm not saying we win

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Speaker 1: You know, I think at the worst, you're going to

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Speaker 1: Indiana is not a great producer of high school talent. Plus,

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 1: One of the things I heard, Marsha's from North Dakota,

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Speaker 3: And right, wrong, we're different. That's the way it is.

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Speaker 2: That's the way. Yeah, that's it. That's the direction it's going.

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Speaker 1: Can you look at Minnesota when Koy Purage, the safety

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Speaker 2: I wish he was good enough to make Indiana. I

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Speaker 2: don't I don't think they wanted him. That's what I heard.

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Speaker 3: That's what I don't know.

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Speaker 2: That trying to get cocky. Yeah yeah, how often in

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Speaker 1: No, I agree with you, Evince uh and I you know,

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Speaker 2: We'll find out when we come back. Who Mace's favorite

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Speaker 3: Well, you used to think I was a fictitious coach.

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Speaker 3: So what are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: Well, honest, against Indiana the week after you beat a

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 2: number of people have nominated Norman Dale from the Ocean

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Speaker 2: Fictitious Coaches. It'd be hard to argue with Norman Dale,

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Speaker 2: Gene Hackman that it's a great movie, great role.

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Speaker 3: Wait wait to the new Hoosier movie.

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Speaker 2: There's gonna have to be one that you think. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and how about the books. There's gonna be books, you

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Speaker 2: know that too, right, So do you have a favorite

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I was thinking of that moment you said, because

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Speaker 2: Good, excellent. Yeah, that's a good choice. And then how

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Speaker 2: about padd O'Brien New Rockney. Yeah, all American the other

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Speaker 1: The problem is some people listening to here say, who's

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Speaker 1: padd O'Brien and who's.

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Speaker 2: New Rock Rockney? That's it And in the movie he

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Speaker 3: Can remember the Gipper?

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Speaker 2: I remember the Gipper George Gipp played by for a

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Speaker 2: future president of the United States Ron, Yeah, it's a

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Speaker 2: good movie. Dating ourselves, Well we are, but that's I

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Speaker 2: Breaking Away, set in Bloomington, Indiana? It's the movie about

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Speaker 3: No, I never saw it.

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Speaker 2: And it's a really good for Dennis, a very young

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Speaker 2: It's a hell. It was a very highly decorated film,

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Speaker 3: Now, how about the worst coach, fictitious coach and words.

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Speaker 2: Worst fictitious coach. That's a good question.

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Speaker 3: In my mind?

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Speaker 2: Who's in your mind?

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Speaker 3: How about Rudy?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's not bad. Oh my god, that's.

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Speaker 2: Do if we're talking about not greatest coaches of all time,

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Speaker 2: mentioned And this is a little bit apples and oranges,

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Speaker 1: Well yeah, well I didn't know when you mean run

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Speaker 1: it's uh that was uh yeah at their moment, you

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Speaker 2: He hates how he was depicted in He still drives

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you love it? I, oh sure, but I've heard

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Speaker 2: To just to mess with Louis.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you know, the macho Louis, big strong

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Speaker 2: Did you have any chance to mingle or get to

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Speaker 1: I did, I'll tell you it's a great story. But

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Speaker 3: So they were good friends. In one year.

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Speaker 1: Louis said, Hey, got a great idea, how about me?

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Speaker 1: And tom O was athletic writer. Football guys play her

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Speaker 1: So we went out to the TPC course out and playing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: We won, no, Louis si. You know they're getting a

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Speaker 3: Ten dollars there and just got out, and not long

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Speaker 3: after that, tragically he lost his.

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Speaker 2: It's a horrible story, horrible, horrible, horrible.

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Speaker 2: It's a good one. Herbie is one of those guys

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Speaker 2: to square one, you know, because and Herbie for reporters

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Speaker 2: You know, That's what the best interview people do.

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Speaker 1: You know that's why Herb Books and I are different

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Speaker 3: I never really liked you.

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Speaker 1: Never.

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Speaker 2: You never are gonna you think another ten years you

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I think it's get older. Do you know what earlier today,

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Speaker 2: looking for some ideas, some things. We talked about some stuff,

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Speaker 2: I have no idea what the circumstance was this positive

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Speaker 2: Louis knows that. I just don't know that Mace is

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing. So maybe eventually with.

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Speaker 1: The same guy you are, I just don't have all

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Speaker 1: I'm saying is you know, when when you're running and

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Speaker 1: and uh yeah, and you have outside detractors like yourself

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Speaker 3: But what do you got to tack me on?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 2: I'm just just a media guy like you. There's plenty

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Speaker 2: They Miami clearly was trying to gold Indiana the entire game.

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Speaker 2: I hate that approach to football, but they did it.

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Speaker 1: I thought there was a bunch of cheap shots that

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Speaker 1: there was a day that in college if you ran

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Speaker 1: protecting the kids. Kids, yes, in college more than they

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Speaker 1: are pro football, and they're not, you know, and I

440
00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 1: hear the guys all talk about pro football. I mean,

441
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Speaker 1: if you go to hear the quarterback that he's going

442
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,359
Speaker 1: and you hear the old quarterbacks talk about it. I

443
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 1: mean it's crazy. A lot of times you look and

444
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 1: they say roughing the pass or was the guy supposed

445
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Speaker 1: to do?

446
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Speaker 3: I thought it was a disgrace list.

447
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 1: I thought the officiating for a large part of the

448
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 1: college football playoff season was despicable. Yeah, and this idea,

449
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,920
Speaker 1: and I've talked about it long and hard. The one

450
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: play that ought to be reviewable in college and I

451
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,320
Speaker 1: then say pro, But now I'm gonna say pro too,

452
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 1: is past interference because there's so many blown calls there.

453
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:14,479
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

454
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 1: You look at one and you say, jez, I can't

455
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,240
Speaker 1: believe they called it. The next play you look at

456
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:20,640
Speaker 1: it and they said, well they didn't call it. Looks

457
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 1: like the same play.

458
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: Replay is not going to change it because it's too subjective.

459
00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 2: You could because look at the calls in the Saturday games,

460
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,240
Speaker 2: in the in the in the pro playoffs, you still

461
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:33,960
Speaker 2: have fifty percent of people saying great call, fifty percent

462
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,160
Speaker 2: of people saying terrible call. So I don't think replay

463
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Speaker 2: I get your point. I just don't think replay is

464
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:40,240
Speaker 2: going to change any Yeah, but.

465
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Speaker 1: There was you ought to be able to challenge I

466
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: always said that that that that the coach in college.

467
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Speaker 1: I've never been a pro guy should always have one challenge, Okay,

468
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 1: one challenge on anything that to look at. And you know,

469
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Speaker 1: I think it was that game when the guy pro

470
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Speaker 1: cluse to the guy grabbed his jersey, you know that.

471
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, you didn't throw that way, but it should have been.

472
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 3: It should have been.

473
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Speaker 2: Holding when what was your approach? How often did you

474
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:14,919
Speaker 2: talk to your team about these guys their personality is

475
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,359
Speaker 2: to get you going. They want to gold you into

476
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 2: slugging back, cheap shotting back, to get out, to take

477
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 2: you off of your game. Was that something you ever

478
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,280
Speaker 2: talked to players about or you left it alone, or

479
00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 2: because I felt that's part of what Miami tried to do.

480
00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Miami's always had that reputa that's true doing that,

481
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Speaker 1: You know, I really again, I coached in a different

482
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Speaker 1: error did I didn't allow my players to do that?

483
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Speaker 1: And I gotta be honest with you about the only time,

484
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Speaker 1: well two times I had an issue like that with

485
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Speaker 1: opposing teams. One was it Michigan State with Nick Saban

486
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Speaker 1: when he was real absolutely yeah. And the other, uh

487
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: was when I was at Kansas and we played Miami

488
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 1: at Miami with Dennis ericson same type of deal. And

489
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Speaker 1: you know the thing about it, like I told those

490
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Speaker 1: guys says, hey, you guys are big and bad. I

491
00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: told the coaches face to say, you guys are big

492
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Speaker 1: and bad, really good.

493
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Speaker 3: We're never good. It was.

494
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Speaker 1: It was my first year at Minnesota and I forgot,

495
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Speaker 1: you're at Kansas they were number one. I said, you

496
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Speaker 1: guys are bullies. You know, maybe you have to do

497
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Speaker 1: that to Florida State and you have to do the

498
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Speaker 1: high school. You really don't have to do that to us.

499
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Speaker 2: What was it within the give me more dirt on

500
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Speaker 2: the same the time was saving? What was that about?

501
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Speaker 1: Well, we were, if you know, at at Michigan State

502
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Speaker 1: in their stadium, uh, the end zone.

503
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Speaker 3: You you both.

504
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,479
Speaker 1: Come out of the center tunnel, okay, and we were

505
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: out there already, you know, kind of stretching and stuff.

506
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Speaker 3: And then they came out and they kind of ran

507
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Speaker 3: right through where we were.

508
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Speaker 1: And is they're running on the field, they start pushing

509
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Speaker 1: all our guys. I mean, I'm looking at him saying,

510
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Speaker 1: what do you So when Nick came out and I

511
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: used to coach with, you know, I let him up

512
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 1: a little bit. I did, and he goes, oh, I

513
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: didn't see anything, then, what are you doing? You know?

514
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 3: And I told him and I did. I said, don't

515
00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,000
Speaker 3: ever do it again.

516
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: Did you win that game?

517
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Speaker 3: Do you remember?

518
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: No, they beat us, but next year we beat them.

519
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 2: I beat them and they didn't run through. By the way,

520
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:23,160
Speaker 2: did you see Saban again? Predicting is impossible for everybody,

521
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 2: you know, we all make predictions and sometimes we're right

522
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: and sometimes we're wrong.

523
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Speaker 3: I get that.

524
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: But it was like clockwork Saban. As much as he

525
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 2: started complimenting Indiana, he never picked him. He picked the

526
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Speaker 2: out before the Alabama game. It was you know, I

527
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 2: like the in air story, but I really believe Alabama

528
00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: got its mojo back last week alb and we talked

529
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,879
Speaker 2: about that. That's okay, maybe you have to do that.

530
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,560
Speaker 2: But he did the same thing to Loten.

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Speaker 3: It makes a half million dollars.

532
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 2: It's like, at some point you go, well, this is

533
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 2: the guy who was supposed to know everything. At some point,

534
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:57,040
Speaker 2: do you just not want to acknowledge what there?

535
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 3: Listen to the lead up on that whole thing.

536
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 1: He did, I mean for a couple of days, and

537
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:08,880
Speaker 1: he really believed that Miami, excuse me, was a very

538
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: talented team on the rise, and he did, they're coming,

539
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,200
Speaker 1: they're playing better, they're doing this. And I think in

540
00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: the other thing, it's also really hard to run the

541
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: table sixteen games. And I think he probably thought, well,

542
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: and maybe I don't know, maybe the TV people say, hey,

543
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:29,320
Speaker 1: we need a buffoon to do what the coursal did

544
00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: and you're not going to put the headset. Maybe you

545
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: want to put the headset on and said, no, all.

546
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 3: Put a hat on.

547
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 2: I don't know, maybe that's true. Fourth and five, the

548
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: the quarterback draw call. I want you to be one

549
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: honest here in that exact same situation.

550
00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 3: To go for it.

551
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 1: No, I don't think it's just the guts to do it.

552
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,399
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess, I don't know. Maybe the field

553
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,639
Speaker 1: goal is meaningless as far as if they if they

554
00:27:57,680 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: go down and score a touchdown, but that distance. No,

555
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: fourth and one, it's a whole botan. Not only that,

556
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: but to run the quarterback draw with him. Now, I'm

557
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,160
Speaker 1: just gonna say it might be one of the greatest plays.

558
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: Greatest call everybody, Oh my god, do you hear the announcers, Oh,

559
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 1: Fowler and hers all, greatest call ever, if he would

560
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: have got hit for no game, they would have been saying,

561
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: what kind of call was that?

562
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 3: Do it?

563
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:23,439
Speaker 1: You?

564
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 2: You got good receivers, you have good running backs, you

565
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 2: do some of that. I will say I do think

566
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,840
Speaker 2: it's one of the greatest plays by a player, absolutely

567
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 2: the Heisman winner in that situation. I mean, that was

568
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: a hell of a run.

569
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back if you look at that run,

570
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this again. You know there's I love

571
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,479
Speaker 1: tough players, but I always said I love guys that

572
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 1: they don't look tough, they don't act tough, they don't.

573
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: Talk tough, they are just tough.

574
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Speaker 1: That guy is a tough If you'd say what is

575
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,120
Speaker 1: his best quality, I say toughness. Even that you remember

576
00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: the first play in the against Ohio State that he

577
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Speaker 1: got not I mean I thought he was going for

578
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: the game. Yeah, and that was a clean shot. Yeah,

579
00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: cheap shot, but I thought he's done. He got up

580
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 1: and he played yeah, and some of those cheap shots

581
00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: that he took against Miami.

582
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: That guy's a tough play.

583
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: But that play, if there's a play this and that

584
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,960
Speaker 1: that should be played over and over.

585
00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 2: And or what a great run did you see the

586
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: he did. Finally, he being Mendoza, get a little dig

587
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 2: in on the postgame interview with ESPN. He just slipped

588
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 2: it in about coming full circle and I end up

589
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 2: we end up winning the national championship at in Miami,

590
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 2: where as a two star I was not allowed to

591
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 2: walk on. I thought that was a hell of a line.

592
00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's true. You know, I don't know why

593
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: he wouldn't. Yeah, I mean, you put anybody to me,

594
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,400
Speaker 1: that's not a chief thing. You put anybody in his shoes.

595
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,760
Speaker 1: He grows up, He grows up a mile away, very

596
00:29:55,760 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: close mile away. His father, Okay, played football with Christal

597
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: that christ Bal was in high school. Was not the

598
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: coach that passed them by. But he went to all

599
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: their camps. He went to the games, and he wanted

600
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 1: to be a Hurricanes.

601
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Speaker 3: He's doing it. I'll go for free and they say no.

602
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 3: And then but full circle.

603
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: So now he goes to cal and now I think

604
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: uh Indiana got involved because I think his brother was

605
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: at JMU and came with him.

606
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: That's correct.

607
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: So that was a connection and they took him. And

608
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: now when he hit the portal is pretty good. Now

609
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:35,959
Speaker 1: Miami says, hey, maybe you want to come back. And

610
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: mom and dad, who were both Miami graduates and were

611
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: athletes there, said no, not good enough.

612
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,560
Speaker 3: Then not good love that and I love that.

613
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: I love that too. By the way, his brother you

614
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 2: saw as the transfer portal. Yeah, I mean there's love

615
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 2: and there's the real world of being a big time coach.

616
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:54,160
Speaker 3: Baby.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. But you know they where was the TCU.

618
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 2: Quarterbacks Indiana you know whatever?

619
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 3: And you know maybe signet He said, hey, listen, you

620
00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 3: know we love you.

621
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you brother, You're welcome here, but you're probably not connected.

622
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,040
Speaker 3: You're not your brother, you know.

623
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Speaker 2: That's that's the way it works. Yeah, that's it, all right. One,

624
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,239
Speaker 2: let's get one more break in. We got Mason your

625
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Speaker 2: Face to the top of the hour. I got a

626
00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 2: lot of good texts coming in. I want to ask

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00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 2: about the Pro Games and especially the call that was

628
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 2: called an interception or where the ball the recouver goes

629
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Speaker 2: to the ground and the Yeah, that's it his job.

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Speaker 1: They're firing these guys, left it. But you know the

631
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: thing about it, they're firing them, but they're paying them.

632
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's they're doing both. Yeah, Mason your Face. One

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Speaker 2: Mace in your face a final segment for today Russo

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Speaker 2: Radio schedule to join top of the hour before we

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Speaker 2: do the texts. So catch or not to catch? Buffalo

644
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 2: loses in large measure because technically the experts tell me

645
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: the correct call was made. I don't feel like the

646
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: correct calls or I would say, if that's the rule,

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00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: I would change the rule because it looked like he

648
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 2: came down with the ball. But then it's gotta he's

649
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: got to maintain all the way and take make a

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00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 2: football action or whatever the case may be. What did

651
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Speaker 2: you make of that call?

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00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was that was a tough one. I thought

653
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Speaker 1: I was with you when I first saw that. I

654
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 1: thought it's a catch. And they're reviewing it reveal at

655
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Speaker 1: least they I mean, at least it was close. Yeah,

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00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: you know it was Yeah, it was close, and you think, well,

657
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: they're looking at hard at it and stuff. But you know,

658
00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: you always thought Ty goes to the receiver and it

659
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: looked like he came down with it, and they started

660
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: rolling around and the guy took it away. I know

661
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 1: that Sean mcderbert is that his name. He's not real

662
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 1: happy about it. Cost of his job, A tough, tough one.

663
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: I think I don't know what the technicality is. Obviously,

664
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:21,959
Speaker 1: I'm not an official. I have an opinion.

665
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 3: I don't know.

666
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 1: I thought it was a catch. I kind of understood

667
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,800
Speaker 1: what they were saying. I don't know all the particulars

668
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 1: on nuances nuances on that stuff, so I don't know.

669
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:33,200
Speaker 1: I thought it was a catch.

670
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: Are you a Caleb Williams fan?

671
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,240
Speaker 3: No, I am not. I think he's got great talent.

672
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:42,760
Speaker 1: I thought that that passed that he threw for the touchdown.

673
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,640
Speaker 1: He threw that fifty yards off his back foot falling down,

674
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: and I don't fall the defensive back let the receiver

675
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: get behind him. He probably thought, well, he can't throw

676
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 1: it that far, you know, and it sailed over his head.

677
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: I mean one of the darkness I've ever seen. The

678
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,680
Speaker 1: guy's got a great cat and he's got you know,

679
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 1: great legs. Uh.

680
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 3: And the reason I say that, I just don't, you know.

681
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 1: I like the guys that how can I say this?

682
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 1: And I don't know the young man, I really don't.

683
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:18,120
Speaker 1: But I like the guys that really has more class. Really,

684
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 1: you know, you're still you're.

685
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,600
Speaker 2: Still too bothered that he paints his No. No, I

686
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:22,960
Speaker 2: don't care about fingernails.

687
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:24,360
Speaker 3: It's not just that, you know.

688
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 1: I mean I got turned off on Caleb Williams. I

689
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 1: was watching a college game when he was at USC

690
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 1: and he had a bad game and he ran and

691
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: jumped up in the stands and he was crying with

692
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:35,640
Speaker 1: his mother.

693
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: Thought that wasn't a good look. I mean, his body

694
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,080
Speaker 2: language has not always been great, I'll give you that,

695
00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: But this year I think he's taking a step. I

696
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 2: think I think Johnson has challenged absolutely.

697
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,240
Speaker 1: I think I think there's talent there and Ben Johnson

698
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: and if he can continue to do it. But at

699
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: this point, you know, he said, well, am I a

700
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: fan of his? I respect his talent.

701
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: Here's what I would say for me, And there's no

702
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:02,439
Speaker 2: reason to think he can't this. There's there's about five

703
00:35:02,520 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 2: simple plays a game that he misses. There they go,

704
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,760
Speaker 2: These aren't spectacular, they're not going to be highlight reels,

705
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: but you got to make the right just make the

706
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: simple throw. And I think he's doing more of that

707
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 2: thing of a year ago. But that's still me. Every

708
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 2: game he's a fifty passer, which in this league is

709
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 2: kind of low.

710
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 1: Let's go back though, because the question to me was,

711
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: am I a fan of Caleb? And I said, no,

712
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not the as talent is there, but

713
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: I'm you know, I'm old school. Would you cut him?

714
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,399
Speaker 1: I'm old school? Let me finish, please, And I'm profinal. Still,

715
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: I still think that athletes have a responsibility at the

716
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,360
Speaker 1: high school, the college pro level.

717
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,759
Speaker 3: These kids watch. I like the guys that really.

718
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: Look like great role models, you know, besides being you know,

719
00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:52,959
Speaker 1: great players, to where all of a sudden you're sitting

720
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 1: there is and Adulieness say, you know, I want my

721
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: boy to be just like him, right, Okay, And that's why,

722
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: besides winning the National having some of the great year

723
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: he had, I thought it was so refreshing to have

724
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 1: a guy winning the Heisman Trophy and leading a team

725
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: win a national tip like Mendoza. I mean, he's a

726
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: class act through and through. I think that's positive and

727
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,800
Speaker 1: unfortunately those type of stories are a minority now today

728
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,840
Speaker 1: rather than the majority. And I think that Indiana should

729
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: be applauded for that.

730
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I grant that. I think he is maturing. I

731
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: think that they're you're seeing again. I think the coach

732
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: has challenged him on some stuff. I think he's been

733
00:36:33,680 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 2: very complimentary of the coach about what he says the

734
00:36:37,120 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 2: coach has done for him. I think he's kind of

735
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: getting into the job in a way. That's a lot

736
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 2: because last year it was almost like he someday be

737
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 2: laying down on the bench, and I think some of

738
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 2: that stuff he's who is. So I'm going to give

739
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: him a chance to mature. I guess what I'm saying.

740
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,000
Speaker 1: I obviously, I mean again, I had questioned this talent, right,

741
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,880
Speaker 1: get him all straight. Now, you're really going to have

742
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 1: something because you can have the greatest guy in the world,

743
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 1: but he has talent. You're not gonna win any games

744
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 1: at that position.

745
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 2: Where are we going? So college football season is over? Yeah,

746
00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 2: National Championship game was last night. So it's done.

747
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 3: Oh it's portal season?

748
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 2: Yes it is. So do you believe there's been some

749
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: talk in Congress? I think about Okay, we gotta it's

750
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,359
Speaker 2: a wild while west. If they're not going to figure

751
00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:25,480
Speaker 2: it out, we got to try to come up with

752
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: some kind of a deals. So do you trust them

753
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 2: any more than you do the NCAA Congress. I'm just asking,

754
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:33,759
Speaker 2: are you crazy? Yeah, I'll be the straight man. You

755
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 2: go ahead.

756
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:35,359
Speaker 3: And I don't know what they can do.

757
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 2: I mean really well, yeah, I don't know either.

758
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 3: I'm asking they there's no collective bargain agreement. I don't

759
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 3: you know.

760
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: Once the genies out of the bottle, I mean, you've

761
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: got to do something and any help they can get.

762
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 3: But this is absolutely crazy right now?

763
00:37:48,560 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: What about? So what's the answer to all Right, I'm

764
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 2: going to commit to your school, I'm gonna get your money,

765
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 2: and then I'm gonna leave. We've already had a couple

766
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 2: of cases where I think the schools are are are

767
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 2: taking legal action. So where is that going? How's that

768
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: all going to get determined?

769
00:38:04,520 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: I don't know the thing about it that for years

770
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 1: colleges I fought that players aren't employees right, correct, because

771
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 1: they didn't want to get involved in Oh then we

772
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: got to get workmen's cop and if they get hurt

773
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:25,520
Speaker 1: or insurance or or retirement or paid leave or whatever,

774
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: I don't know what it is. So now all of

775
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 1: a sudden, now you're going to sign them to a

776
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,640
Speaker 1: contract I don't know, maybe an independent contractor, I don't

777
00:38:34,680 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: know what it is. You know, and you got to

778
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,839
Speaker 1: deal with the agent. And there's a lot of unscrupulous

779
00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: agents out there, sir.

780
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 3: Well.

781
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,720
Speaker 2: The other thing I've heard is that in some cases

782
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,839
Speaker 2: then some kids have tried to go back and then

783
00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:47,879
Speaker 2: the agent won't let them go back. I mean, there's

784
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,319
Speaker 2: a lot of layers to this thing, just where there's

785
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: a lot of people I think who are taking advantage

786
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 2: of well.

787
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,320
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of First of all, with

788
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 1: Signetti said, all this nil talk out there, money is

789
00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 1: greatly over exaggerated. And I think there's a lot of

790
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: how many kids, it's like eight thousand kids in the

791
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: portal and they all can't land someplaces, but they say, oh,

792
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: well if Joey got this, I can get this. So

793
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: then they go in the portal and they there's some

794
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: agent that that and they're not regulated like they are

795
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,719
Speaker 1: in profoot. All these agents, they can be anybody could

796
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: be the milkman and all of a sudden they can't

797
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:26,880
Speaker 1: get him that and he says, man, I got to

798
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: go back. Well, now you got to go with hat

799
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,959
Speaker 1: in hand, and are they going to take you back

800
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,239
Speaker 1: or not take you back? And really the thing that

801
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:37,480
Speaker 1: might cure this if all the coaches got together and said, hey, listen,

802
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,480
Speaker 1: once a guy goes in a portal, he said, we're

803
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: not taking away. I saw where the Sarkesian at Texas

804
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: said that. I told the players they go to the portal,

805
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: no way are they coming back. There has to be

806
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 1: something like that.

807
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 2: So in the NFL we have free agency, right, but

808
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: it's highly uh, you know, it never happens where you

809
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 2: can literally go from team to team every year. No,

810
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:07,239
Speaker 2: because college you literally can change schools every single year.

811
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,640
Speaker 2: Isn't that another sort of thing that has to be

812
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,800
Speaker 2: legislated where even if you want to say players deserve

813
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: a certain measure of freedom, that much freedom makes no

814
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 2: sense to me.

815
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:21,160
Speaker 1: Well, you know that we've talked about you know the rules,

816
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: you know, you know when it first started, it first

817
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:26,879
Speaker 1: started in theory, I thought it was a good rule

818
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: when you were a grad transfer right, yes, yes, think

819
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: of Russell Wilson. Okay, In words, if you were at

820
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: a school and you had eligibility left, but you had graduated,

821
00:40:38,280 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: theory being that maybe you want to go into a

822
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: graduate course criclum that that school doesn't have, Well, why

823
00:40:44,680 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 1: can't you go some other place and still play and

824
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 1: be in that graduation in theory, it sounds great, it

825
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 1: sounds fair, right. The only problem was these guys were

826
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: going after they started going I say this, Russell, they

827
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 1: started going someplace.

828
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,320
Speaker 3: They weren't going to grad school. They were up for grabs.

829
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: And some of the more high profile coaches that think

830
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 1: they have all aren't coaching where they think they have

831
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: all the answers, the curates.

832
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 3: That they were the worst at it.

833
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: They were they were scouring the country for the guys

834
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 1: that he graduated and then trying to cherry pick certain

835
00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,680
Speaker 1: guys that they could come in because under that situation

836
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 1: they were immediately eligible before this portal thing where they're

837
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 1: all eligible right now. But it's it's insanity, you know

838
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: what it is?

839
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 3: Dan?

840
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,720
Speaker 1: To your point, if the listeners could think about the NFL,

841
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 1: where every player in the NFL was an unrestricted free

842
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,800
Speaker 1: with no salary cap. I mean, it would be bedling madness.

843
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: It would be great. And uh, you know, you'd be looking.

844
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: You'd see one team one year and they'd all be

845
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: gone the next year.

846
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: And the guy that had the the.

847
00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:58,759
Speaker 1: Biggest payroll, if he was buying the right players, could

848
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: buy a championship.

849
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 2: Who's the Miami quarterback? What's his name?

850
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 3: That Georgia?

851
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: Okay, I am not a fan of his. I'm gonna

852
00:42:06,120 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: tell you. I know I didn't like him when he

853
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 1: was at I don't know, just the way he handle himself.

854
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 3: You know, he was the starting quarterback at Georgia.

855
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: I think he had a national championship and then and

856
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 1: at Georgia, I mean.

857
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: They let him go.

858
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, then I tell you something. And then he goes

859
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: to Miami. And then he comes out and says, well,

860
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 1: get ready for the championship game.

861
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 3: How did you deal with deal in classes? Why? I

862
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 3: graduated two years ago. I haven't been to class in

863
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 3: two years.

864
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: That's where I was.

865
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 3: Is that what college.

866
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,359
Speaker 2: Football is also going to ask you. He's at least

867
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,600
Speaker 2: apparently two years removed from seeing a single classroom. We're

868
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 2: so far removed from whatever this used to be. I

869
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 2: don't even know how many years did he.

870
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 1: I mean some guys were in his sixth year, one

871
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 1: or two were in seventh year playing.

872
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 2: We can eventually have like thirty year old college players.

873
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,640
Speaker 2: How what's the limit or are we are we ever

874
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 2: going to tighten up those rules because it happened during COVID, right.

875
00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know a lot of things happened during COVID.

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Speaker 1: Yeah the whole thing went crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the whole crazy.

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Speaker 3: But you know that you.

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Speaker 1: Look at it, well, I made this analogy and I

880
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Speaker 1: might be dead wrong, but you know, they want to

881
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:10,879
Speaker 1: make a big thing out of.

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Speaker 3: Indiana. How old they are?

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Speaker 1: They had they had forty seven players that were between

884
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Speaker 1: the age of twenty two and twenty five.

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Speaker 3: That's an old college man, that is.

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00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: That's true.

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Speaker 1: Now, I don't know what the parallel is, but NFL

888
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Speaker 1: they had one hundred and forty players between the ages

889
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Speaker 1: of twenty one and twenty two. They were a lot

890
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Speaker 1: of young long players here. But now I think I

891
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:41,520
Speaker 1: talked about I remember asking Louis one time about hockey

892
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Speaker 1: at Minnesota. I said that, you know, all the facilities

893
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Speaker 1: and the tradition and everything, and the great recruiting they

894
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: have at the you for hockey, how does teams like

895
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Speaker 1: North South, Saint Cloud or Bmigie State or any of those,

896
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Speaker 1: how did they compete because they were competing pretty good, right,

897
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Speaker 1: And he said, well, you don't understand.

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Speaker 3: We get the cream of the crop.

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Speaker 1: A lot of those guys go to the National Football

900
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Speaker 1: the National Hockey League where some of these other schools

901
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,319
Speaker 1: they get really good players, but they're not that good

902
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: to go to Hoskey League. So by the time they

903
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Speaker 1: play us, they're twenty two to twenty three years old

904
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Speaker 1: and aren't really good players only eighteen years old. Well,

905
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Speaker 1: I think that could be happening in college football.

906
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Speaker 2: Now texture rights hock come. Coaches can leave whenever they want,

907
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:34,840
Speaker 2: whenever they want. Where is the class in back laboration?

908
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Speaker 3: That's that's the point.

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Speaker 1: Now, what I've always said, if this guy would listen

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Speaker 1: to I've talked about it before, that's easy to correct.

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Speaker 3: It really is.

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Speaker 1: The difference is you don't have that problem in pro

913
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Speaker 1: football because they have contracts that actually matters.

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Speaker 3: Hard course condert.

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Speaker 1: In other words, if you sign a guy to a

916
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Speaker 1: five year contract at ten million dollars a year, if

917
00:44:55,800 --> 00:45:00,479
Speaker 1: you fire him after one year, you own forty million dollars. Now,

918
00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:02,880
Speaker 1: all the years that I coached, I never had a

919
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 1: buyout clause in my contract. And I'll tell you why.

920
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 1: Is that because they want to give you a contract.

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Speaker 1: Let's it wasn't that amount of Let's say it's a

922
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 1: million dollars year. They sign you to a contract, a

923
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,200
Speaker 1: million dollars a year for five years. Well, if they

924
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: fire you after one year, they should owe you four

925
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 1: million dollars. Well, they don't want to do that. They

926
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Speaker 1: want to protect their downside. So they said, if we

927
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Speaker 1: fire you after one year here out, we only owe

928
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Speaker 1: you a million dollars.

929
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Speaker 3: Well, kind of that's bull crap.

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Speaker 1: What I used to say every time, let's i'd say,

931
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Speaker 1: let's sign a contract and I'll do it. Million dollars

932
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Speaker 1: a year for five years. You fire me after one year,

933
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Speaker 1: you owe me four million. If I leave after one year,

934
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Speaker 1: i owe you four million. They don't want to do that.

935
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Speaker 1: They want to protect their downside, make them hard fast contracts,

936
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Speaker 1: and then coaches can't believe.

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Speaker 2: That's that's the difference, right answer. All right, On that note,

938
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Speaker 2: we're going to go you got are you in next week?

939
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Speaker 2: We got to figure out. We're coming to the end,

940
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,040
Speaker 2: coming to the end. You guys are wear me out.

941
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Speaker 2: Let's see, Well, we'll figure it out. Maybe we'll maybe

942
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Speaker 2: what we'll do is usually like once a month or something,

943
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Speaker 2: because I I don't think.

944
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Speaker 3: You know why, because you really like me. Well, admit it.

945
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't go that far. I tolerate you more than

946
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Speaker 2: I used to. I'll grant you that, but I don't.

947
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I go so far.

948
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Speaker 3: You let me know.

949
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll keep our people, will be in touch with

950
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Speaker 2: your people, as we like to say, you know, thanks

951
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Speaker 2: for branding me.

952
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Speaker 3: One question, Yes, where's Guardsey?

953
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Speaker 2: He's tracking gold to go for women's basketball there on

954
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Speaker 2: the West coast forever.

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Speaker 1: Hey, two things before I forget. Yeah, okay, I'm going

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Speaker 1: to Jackson in the near future. And I was traveling

957
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Speaker 1: last week. And Carrie Limo, I mean, Todd Anderson is

958
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 1: no better than him, uh and just just the best.

959
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Speaker 1: And I can tell you I don't know much about

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00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: college basketball. I think this basketball coach that Minnesota has

961
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Speaker 1: is the real gay. Agree, he's doing a good job.

962
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Speaker 2: He's doing a really good job. Did you did you

963
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Speaker 2: meet that family or that couple at Jack's Cafe last week.

964
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Speaker 2: I didn't know they were looking for a free meal

965
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Speaker 2: from you. They were going to be there and they

966
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Speaker 2: wanted to greet them. Yeah, thank you to Jack's Cafe

967
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Speaker 2: for their ongoing support.

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Speaker 3: Come as their guest.

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Speaker 2: You might have done it. Yeah, there's no question.

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Speaker 3: Free meal. What a deal, that's my mud.

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Speaker 2: I didn't think you were like that. I thought you

972
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Speaker 2: would always like to pay. Oh no, well I do,

973
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Speaker 2: but yeah you'll take one. Yeah, yeah, I don't blame you. Yeah,

974
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Speaker 2: take care.

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Speaker 3: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Mace in your face. Will pause for the top of

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Speaker 2: the our break, No Top five at five. That'll be

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Speaker 2: five twenty Sports fixed because we've got hockey to discuss

979
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Speaker 2: with Russo Radio.

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Speaker 3: He is next