Speaker 1: Don't want to be an American.
Speaker 2: Got a full show back on seven hundred WLW on
Speaker 2: this Monday morning and cause to celebrate something we probably
Speaker 2: normally wouldn't celebrate.
Speaker 1: And you know, you take these things as they come.
Speaker 2: And sadly, on Friday, we heard that a plane, and
Speaker 2: this would be an F fifteen East Strike Eagle, shot
Speaker 2: down over southern Iran on Friday. That's the first US
Speaker 2: fighter jet loss to enemy fire and well over twenty years.
Speaker 2: The two crew members ejected. The pilot was recovered. However,
Speaker 2: it became a rescue operation for the weapons officer and
Speaker 2: finally he was saved, and a retired Navy seal and
Speaker 2: Army ranger breaks down the most daring rescue mission in
Speaker 2: a generation. This is stuff that books and movies will
Speaker 2: be written about. He's Ed Gollerind. Ed's in Kentucky, former
Speaker 2: Seal Team six operator, Army ranger and now Trump endorsed
Speaker 2: congressional candidate there in the Commonwealth.
Speaker 1: Ed, how's this morning find you?
Speaker 3: Good morning? Well, it's a little chilli out here on
Speaker 3: the farm. So we got a general rule, and the
Speaker 3: folks up there in Ohio will second the motion on this.
Speaker 3: You don't put your cover alls up until Derby Day.
Speaker 3: Just keep them right there in the pickups drug when
Speaker 3: we need them this morning. So dreading to the listeners,
Speaker 3: thanks for having me on, Scott, gotcha.
Speaker 2: So's it's coveralls, Derby day, plant flowers, Mother's day, got it?
Speaker 2: That is the That's the rule of thumb, exactly right,
Speaker 2: that's the rule of thumb.
Speaker 1: Right there. Let's talk about this.
Speaker 2: Both crew ejected and Ran says, hey, we have them
Speaker 2: in custody.
Speaker 1: You never obviously want to believe that.
Speaker 2: And the timeline is rather interesting, but walk us through
Speaker 2: what an airman in this case is actually trained to
Speaker 2: do in the seconds after ejecting over hostile territory.
Speaker 1: What's the first priority?
Speaker 3: Hey, well, thank thank you for the question. And I
Speaker 3: do want to celebrate the forces that got both those
Speaker 3: great Americans out. And here's the lens that I see this,
Speaker 3: right you are. I've served on seven seal teams and
Speaker 3: units that's sort of like a battalion. You know, it's
Speaker 3: a fighting unit. It says not just six people, it's
Speaker 3: over two hundred except for seal team. Stick that's different.
Speaker 3: Won't go into that twice as leader. It's cloudy classified,
Speaker 3: but I see this through the lens of not only
Speaker 3: having gone through Navy Feer School, but I also went
Speaker 3: through what's called High Risk SEER. That's a whole other
Speaker 3: level up here in the US, and I'm a NATO
Speaker 3: Combat survival instructor. And the profile there was a course
Speaker 3: against the Russia, who was very, very highly technical skilled
Speaker 3: to find out our down to air crewman if they
Speaker 3: got shot down in a hostility. So all that to
Speaker 3: say is we got to give credit to those aircrews
Speaker 3: because when they punch out, that aircraft is going several
Speaker 3: hundred miles an hour and they are basically shot out
Speaker 3: by small rocket out of that aircraft into the air
Speaker 3: at a very high altitude, typically not sure what profile
Speaker 3: they were on here, and so it is a shock
Speaker 3: to the system. And many times folks that ejected help
Speaker 3: they'll have lifelong back injuries. Now, the key thing is mindset,
Speaker 3: so they have to keep their wits about them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: there's the mechanics that coming out of the aircraft float
Speaker 3: down on their parachute hitting the ground, and again they're
Speaker 3: not hitting a prepared drop zone. There's no telling where
Speaker 3: they're hitting. So it's a shock to the system. All
Speaker 3: that to say credit to them because the training upstream
Speaker 3: to have the mindset to keep their wisth about them
Speaker 3: is what helps carry the day because they had to
Speaker 3: hit the ground and follow the tactics, techniques and procedures
Speaker 3: that are established so they could be rescued. So Scott,
Speaker 3: that's sort of a broad overview.
Speaker 2: Okay, And so yeah, I think with fil'll realize always
Speaker 2: jumped out in the parachute. No, that the whole seat
Speaker 2: part of the airframe there's attached to You're basically going
Speaker 2: to chair when you land in that thing. I don't
Speaker 2: know if that's Does that cause more pain? And did
Speaker 2: they even train for that? I mean, I know that
Speaker 2: they're simulators like I did a thing whereas in the
Speaker 2: dunk tank and they upside down for a helicopter landing water,
Speaker 2: But do they simulate that?
Speaker 1: Is there any way to practice that?
Speaker 3: There's no way to practice The actual truth is I
Speaker 3: understand that the impact on the on the finest is
Speaker 3: north of seven g's. Yeah, and so all that to
Speaker 3: say it many times causes permanent injury, as they have found.
Speaker 3: So now let's talk about when they hit the ground
Speaker 3: and what happens next if we could, Yeah, now what
Speaker 3: I want the listeners to know is long before this,
Speaker 3: there are forces that train equipp and they are literally
Speaker 3: standing by what do we have, like ten thousand plus
Speaker 3: targets we've hit. They're standing by to launch on a
Speaker 3: moment's notice to rescue a down aircrewman while these operations
Speaker 3: are going on. So every flight that's up there, there's
Speaker 3: a force setting there, you know, sort of like a
Speaker 3: you know, a reaction force, and they are watching and
Speaker 3: waiting for the word to go. So once that happened,
Speaker 3: that put into motion. But it's very dynamic because now
Speaker 3: you've got to adjust to the specific threat and there's
Speaker 3: a lot of technicalities that go into place that are
Speaker 3: very classified. But the key is that aircrewman hits the
Speaker 3: ground and he's got to follow the established procedures to
Speaker 3: optimize the probability or we say recover in this case
Speaker 3: because he's not in custody yet that would be a rescue,
Speaker 3: but it's a recovery operation. So there's literally elements within
Speaker 3: the United States Air Force, augmented by other services and
Speaker 3: services and government agencies that do that. It is very,
Speaker 3: very sophisticated. In this case, a lot of presses have
Speaker 3: been given that my old unit, STILL Team six was
Speaker 3: selected to be the force on the ground because of
Speaker 3: the threat. So the combat search and rescue element was
Speaker 3: now added to a STILL Team six to be the
Speaker 3: force on the ground to actually get the down to
Speaker 3: air crewmen. In the second case, the one that basically
Speaker 3: evaded for a while four years rescue. So there's some
Speaker 3: pieces that went on there that even talking about in
Speaker 3: the other President want to I don't want to give
Speaker 3: away some of our capabilities to help the enemy, But
Speaker 3: a lot of credit goes to everything that happened upstream
Speaker 3: in all the development of the United States has But
Speaker 3: in the end it was also decisiveness. The commanders on
Speaker 3: the ground have got to act very quickly. You can't
Speaker 3: get behind on this or the enemy will get a
Speaker 3: hold of you. Because it is a profit danned absolute
Speaker 3: It is a basically a winning day for Iran if
Speaker 3: they were able to get there.
Speaker 4: Sure.
Speaker 2: Look look what happened with President Carter, right. I mean
Speaker 2: when your capture, when you shoot down aircraft and capture airman,
Speaker 2: then it becomes a nightmare at this point and the
Speaker 2: optics are terrible. But we pulled a miracle off. And
Speaker 2: this is something I say a miracle from this side
Speaker 2: of it, I guess. But in your line of work, ED,
Speaker 2: when you're a Seal Team six operator, you guys go,
Speaker 2: it's just what we do at gall right on the
Speaker 2: show this morning on Scott's Loan here starting us off
Speaker 2: with some good news about what's happening, and that was
Speaker 2: a crew members shot down on Friday. The second one
Speaker 2: was rescued just a few while I can almost say
Speaker 2: a few hours ago. It feels like it was pretty intense.
Speaker 2: The colonel, by the way, so this is the weapons officer.
Speaker 2: He moved away from his ejection point before he activated
Speaker 2: his rescue beacon and then he hiked I think a
Speaker 2: seven thousand foot ridge line and wedged himself into crevis.
Speaker 2: One of the reasons why we would do that, I guess,
Speaker 2: activating the beacon after you've scaled a seven thousand foot
Speaker 2: climb and then was able to wedge yourself in a
Speaker 2: crevice to hide.
Speaker 1: What are the tactics of that, well.
Speaker 3: Because of the adversary capability, because remember I ran as
Speaker 3: being assisted as it is being told on the press.
Speaker 3: I can't go in any further detail, but it appears
Speaker 3: China and Russia and North three are assisting them. Even
Speaker 3: though those are highly sophisticated beacons tracking devices, you have
Speaker 3: to be worried that the adversary can locate that. So
Speaker 3: getting out of the key thing. Back to that mindset
Speaker 3: as for he went through the shock of ejection, and
Speaker 3: again credit to him and the training that went upstream.
Speaker 3: You know before this ever happened. He's got to get
Speaker 3: out of that area rapidly because the local populace, some
Speaker 3: of them may report it. That's where the Iranian forces
Speaker 3: are going to flow to. So he's got to get
Speaker 3: moving quit to get out of that particular zone. So
Speaker 3: to make it more difficult. So to your point that
Speaker 3: beacon is going to be based on again tactics, techniques
Speaker 3: and procedures, is it is going to be activated when
Speaker 3: the circumstances are optimal for us to track him and
Speaker 3: find him using all the capabilities of the US military
Speaker 3: and government agency. And something else I want to add
Speaker 3: here is just think about it. To the credit you
Speaker 3: gave the Field Team six in our sister unit Delta,
Speaker 3: that is not regular special operations units in the right term, Scott,
Speaker 3: thank you for using it. This was a special operation.
Speaker 3: Special Forces of specifically Screenbery are this is the element
Speaker 3: went in there. I want the listeners to remember this.
Speaker 3: Every minute of every hour of every day of every
Speaker 3: week of every month of every year. These units set
Speaker 3: alert to conduct these kind of sensitive activities and operations
Speaker 3: all over the world, and just think about it. They
Speaker 3: do not I know, it's going to bust your bubble.
Speaker 3: They do not always make the media, fortunately, and that's
Speaker 3: the world they live in. And I want to give
Speaker 3: you sort of a sort of a framework. They live
Speaker 3: in the world between peace and war, in a gap
Speaker 3: where you're always at war. But it's in the shadows.
Speaker 3: That is not hype, it's not bravado. It's what our
Speaker 3: nations asked us to do. It is a very high
Speaker 3: commitment that they have and a higher level of performance.
Speaker 3: But there's a lot to celebrate here. It's not just
Speaker 3: guys with guns. These guys are smart. They helped plan
Speaker 3: to conduct this operation and they prevailed against all odds.
Speaker 3: A lot to celebrate.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was Seal Team six, as you mentioned,
Speaker 2: Delta Force and Rangers are on standby for this mission.
Speaker 1: But also we got to credit the CIA.
Speaker 2: They ran a disinformation campaign simultaneously with the military operation.
Speaker 2: How tightly coordinate does it have to be? And and
Speaker 2: how does that? How do you how do you coordinate that?
Speaker 2: And and by the way, with it's not like you
Speaker 2: knew this was going to happen, as they didn't have
Speaker 2: this in the in their pocket to pull out. I mean,
Speaker 2: you guys planning and you make it up on the fly.
Speaker 2: There's no, there's not much intel.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I want to know, I want to slightly. No,
Speaker 3: we have the contingent. We always plan in these most
Speaker 3: dangerous course of action. So right there on a dry
Speaker 3: race board, and I've been there a thousand times. We
Speaker 3: have in these most dangerous course of action shot down
Speaker 3: air crew behind enemy line, unlocated. We've been't We've already
Speaker 3: got the contingency. We we've got to play just like
Speaker 3: a football team. But the dynamics to your point of
Speaker 3: putting it in play and when it happened, because now
Speaker 3: you've got to adjust there really what's going on on
Speaker 3: the ground, right and you have the least empowered as
Speaker 3: opposed to the previous administration because you time is against you.
Speaker 3: But you know you just mentioned something with respect to
Speaker 3: you know, those particular units uh working with our I'm
Speaker 3: gonna just say generally our agency brothers. And I'll tell
Speaker 3: you the best chow at the cafeterias in the Washington,
Speaker 3: DC area is at the CIA headquarters, at the food
Speaker 3: course there. I can vouch for that. I can say
Speaker 3: no more. I can say no more. But they have
Speaker 3: pretty good eating right there. Right. But but we worked
Speaker 3: with them. Remember I just I just mentioned there's that
Speaker 3: band between peace and war. This isn't hype, this isn't bravado.
Speaker 3: It exists, so our nation complete safety in their bed
Speaker 3: at night. We work with our agency partners all over
Speaker 3: the world. It isn't new to us. So hats off
Speaker 3: to the agency. Because you hit, you hit a key point.
Speaker 3: There was a bit of a diversion, a distraction. Oh
Speaker 3: we found him. Now, you remember, Scott. I've said on
Speaker 3: the radio station before, things are not always what they seen.
Speaker 3: So purposely we use this information and misinformation on the
Speaker 3: battlefield to confuse our enemies. They do the same to
Speaker 3: ut But you're right, it was very clever. It's not
Speaker 3: just guys with guns that show up and do bad
Speaker 3: things to bad people who deserve it. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of intellectual activity. That's what I'll say about Seal Team
Speaker 3: six and Delta. Those guys are.
Speaker 2: Smart at gal Ryan take us to the pilot's PERCEPTI
Speaker 2: thirty six hours, he's injured by the way, hikes to
Speaker 2: a seven thousand foot ridge line, wedges in a crevice
Speaker 2: of automates, his beacon. What is a pilot carrying on
Speaker 2: him or her at that time? What equipment do they
Speaker 2: have ready to go on their person? And how long
Speaker 2: can they survive?
Speaker 3: A great question the listeners can basically do you know
Speaker 3: a quick search of normal Air Force aircrew combat equipment
Speaker 3: survival VEST He's going to have his deacon, He's going
Speaker 3: to have his pistol. He's going to have fire starting equipment.
Speaker 3: He's gonna have also the ability to catch game if necessary,
Speaker 3: if it's a long term survival. He's going to have
Speaker 3: signaling devices some that I can't go into that are
Speaker 3: classified with respect to can only be seen with certain
Speaker 3: source of optics. So that VEST is going to be
Speaker 3: under all his other equipment. But he's the key thing
Speaker 3: I want to emphasize here is his mindset of maturity.
Speaker 3: That in his mindset, it's like running a football player
Speaker 3: taking that three point shot. He's got to have the
Speaker 3: ability to act because what we've seen in the past
Speaker 3: is is they get on the ground, they get disoriented,
Speaker 3: they you know, they become overcome by the dramatic impact
Speaker 3: of the ejection. So credit to him. And also I
Speaker 3: want to point out I don't know if he's a
Speaker 3: full bird colonel, not likely, probably a lieutenant colonel. At
Speaker 3: his senior leadership level he was. Probably he might have
Speaker 3: been the squadron commander or the number two. He would
Speaker 3: have been a gold mine for the operations that have
Speaker 3: gotten this, not only for propaganda, but the interrogation he
Speaker 3: would have gone through to try to get, you know,
Speaker 3: capabilities that the US has. Because a good thing to
Speaker 3: celebrate here for the listeners. We are fighting a twenty
Speaker 3: first century plus war. The key thing about what's going
Speaker 3: on in Iran, in addition to taking one of the
Speaker 3: full horsemen of apocalypse off the table and their ability
Speaker 3: to get a nuclear weapon i e. The Aatola was
Speaker 3: a suicide bomber looking for a new full stop. Kevn said,
Speaker 3: that is we're pushing to terrence poker chips back on
Speaker 3: the table with China, with Russia and with North Korea.
Speaker 3: That is one of the major outcomes of what's going
Speaker 3: on in Iran, and again we're north of ten thousand
Speaker 3: targets hit. I mean, this is the likelihood of a
Speaker 3: bird strike when you start doing the statistical probabilities of
Speaker 3: what it could occur, when you have that many aircraft
Speaker 3: mine and that many capabilities put you at risk. So
Speaker 3: a lot to celebrate here in our great nation this
Speaker 3: week as crews the recovered, but continue to pray for them.
Speaker 3: They're in harms way and they are doing things to
Speaker 3: make our nation safer as a result of these Operation Scott,
Speaker 3: thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think the one of the more fascinating things to
Speaker 2: me at Gal Ryan is that they launched this rescue
Speaker 2: operation launch from a airstrip twenty five miles inside of Iran.
Speaker 2: That was, as you mentioned, pre position for contingencies.
Speaker 3: How's that?
Speaker 2: How long's take something like that, an asset like that
Speaker 2: to develop and there could all be not that many
Speaker 2: people know it exists, and certainly not the Iranians.
Speaker 3: Well again I can't, I won't the bullet anything classified,
Speaker 3: but I wanted you to think about it like a
Speaker 3: football team and they've got Hey, we've got this one
Speaker 3: hell Mary path. We're going to practice that practice that practice.
Speaker 3: It We're not exactly sure what yard line will be on,
Speaker 3: we're not exactly sure of the weather conditions, we're not
Speaker 3: exactly sure the defense they'll be running. But here's our
Speaker 3: base play. So you have the base play and I'm
Speaker 3: sure that makes sense to you, or like the three
Speaker 3: point shots from the corner. You've got your base play,
Speaker 3: but you make some final adjustments right there at the
Speaker 3: last puddle and then out you go. But what this
Speaker 3: relies on is is the is the intellectual ability of
Speaker 3: these warriors to do this. And I'll say it again, Yeah,
Speaker 3: these guys are good in the weight rooms. Yeah they can.
Speaker 3: They can run fast, they can swim far, and they're
Speaker 3: very strong and sick. But their mindset and their intelligence
Speaker 3: is what carries the day because you've got to keep
Speaker 3: your wits about this. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, totally.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we tend to get tunnel vision
Speaker 2: and are you know, breathe differently and our heart race
Speaker 2: is under pressure and yeah, if you're at that level
Speaker 2: of elite operator, you've got to be able to control
Speaker 2: all that stuff. The President called this one of the
Speaker 2: most daring rescue operations in US history. You've done this
Speaker 2: in real time, ed Gil Ryan, how far up the
Speaker 2: list is a rank.
Speaker 3: Well, it'll be it'll be way up there. When the
Speaker 3: books of movies coming about about this, it's going to
Speaker 3: be a patriotic explosion because of all the things that
Speaker 3: had to happen, because there's there's so many unknowns in this.
Speaker 3: And you're exactly right. I spent my career planning these
Speaker 3: contingencies and conduct in what you would call very sensitive activities,
Speaker 3: not exactly like this, but the same kind of high stakes,
Speaker 3: high risk scenarios in that band between peace and war
Speaker 3: where you're at war all the time, when you're at
Speaker 3: Steel King six or Delta or some other select units
Speaker 3: and activity in our nation so we can stay safe. Oh,
Speaker 3: it'll be very high up there, and it's going to
Speaker 3: be jaw dropping. It is going to be absolutely jaw dropping.
Speaker 3: And this is gonna be one of the families you're
Speaker 3: gonna want it to go to. And I guarantee you
Speaker 3: will increase recruiting for both officer and listed again one
Speaker 3: of this movie in this book comes out.
Speaker 1: Guarantee, Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 2: Ed gll Ryan running against Thomas Massey in Kentucky for
Speaker 2: that Concresdal seat with some of the most bizarre ads
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. Talk about a disinformation campaign. Ed you
Speaker 2: just laid out killing the enemies and airstrikes and every
Speaker 2: you don't sound very woke.
Speaker 4: Well, I'll say you that the veteran community has basically
Speaker 4: told me, I guess I should have got three Bronze
Speaker 4: Star medals and two combat jump badges with bronze stars based.
Speaker 3: On that ai AD he's running that.
Speaker 5: I've got lack of courage running all veterans for clarity,
Speaker 5: it is an insult that anyone has has put their
Speaker 5: life on the line to include leading others in combat.
Speaker 3: So all that to say, that's all the Liz Cheney
Speaker 3: of Kentucky.
Speaker 6: Has after fourteen years in Congress, That's all he has
Speaker 6: is an ai AD to attack the only retired Navy
Speaker 6: seal officer that serves our nation.
Speaker 3: On seven seal teams in units include quite the Steal
Speaker 3: Team six. So all that to say, his desperation is
Speaker 3: only exceeded by this honesty. And again it's an insult
Speaker 3: to anyone to serve.
Speaker 2: He is Ed Gollryan seeking your vote for this congressional race,
Speaker 2: and the Commonwealth Retired Seal Team six Army ranger and
Speaker 2: could go on for probably another five ten minutes about
Speaker 2: all the awards and decorations he received. Serve our country honorably, Ed,
Speaker 2: thanks for jumping on the show and laying this out
Speaker 2: this morning. It's absolutely fascinating and some good news finally
Speaker 2: in a world it seems like we're lacking good news,
Speaker 2: all the best.
Speaker 1: And good luck.
Speaker 3: Yes, thank you so much. I gotta get some farm
Speaker 3: work done. Thank you a little listeners, God bless them.
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, thank you, Ed, appreciate it. Let me get
Speaker 2: news in the picture here in just seconds. It's going
Speaker 2: to be a hell of a movie. Can't wait for
Speaker 2: it be on Netflix at about two hours seven hundred Wow.