1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: It's time for our weekly PAC twelve conversation with San 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Jose Mercury News reporter John Wilner, brought to you by 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:09,399 Speaker 1: Simply Seattle. Our friends at simply Seattle dot com have 4 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: the most amazing collection of all things Seattle Seahawks gear. 5 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: UW had some of the largest selection of sonics gear 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: anywhere in the world. Learn more at simply Seattle dot com. 7 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,759 Speaker 2: Ah. Yes, a little bit later than usual, all we 8 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: gotta fit John's busy schedule. John's been very, very busy 9 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 2: busy this week. Tell us where we are, John, What 10 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 2: have you been doing this week? 11 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,880 Speaker 3: I am in Las Vegas this week attending a convention 12 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:41,519 Speaker 3: or forum on intercollegiate athletics. 13 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 4: It basically is all about the off the field stuff. 14 00:00:44,760 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 3: The business side, the media side, nil legal, and there's 15 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 3: a lot of folks here that are deeply involved in 16 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 3: that aspect of it, and I come every year and 17 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 3: it's super informative. 18 00:00:56,560 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 5: Very good. 19 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,920 Speaker 6: Well, let's just start where we ended the last set. 20 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,520 Speaker 2: You and I were talking about the Washington State Cougar's job. 21 00:01:05,640 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 2: Jimmy Rodgers abruptly leaves after eleven and a half months 22 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 2: as head coach of the of the Cougars, and uh, 23 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 2: you know Rick new Heiseel's names out there and and 24 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 2: Jerry new Eiel had you know, decent success as coordinator 25 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:22,600 Speaker 2: at UCLA this year. What do you think about the 26 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,959 Speaker 2: new Heidel's pulling a Dick and Tony Bennett Part two 27 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:26,960 Speaker 2: run in Pullman. 28 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure. 29 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 3: I mean, I can see why there'd be some appeal. 30 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 3: I just am I'm not sure that the president because 31 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 3: remember they don't have a permanent athletic director either. They 32 00:01:37,959 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 3: have an interimy D. They have no football coach, and 33 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 3: they have an intermay D. And they have a president 34 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 3: who's been on the job for about six months. So 35 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 3: it's very hard to predict how they're going to go 36 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 3: with their strategy. The we could maybe look into the 37 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: president's recent pass. She was just at Utah State where 38 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 3: she hired Blanco Mendon away from New Mexico. You know, 39 00:02:03,160 --> 00:02:07,560 Speaker 3: a veteran coach who's in the game right now, So 40 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,760 Speaker 3: I would think she might try to do something like that. 41 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, tell us about what you may have learned at 42 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 7: the forum there in Vegas. 43 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 5: That interests you. 44 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:24,079 Speaker 3: Well, I mean, there's so much stuff I will say. 45 00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,560 Speaker 4: I actually I should say first. 46 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 3: The first guests this morning at the morning Session, which 47 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 3: was discussing NIL were Washington Athletic Director Pat Shun and 48 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,600 Speaker 3: Jonah Coleman, and they were up on the stage in 49 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 3: front of over one hundred people and from college sports 50 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 3: talking about NIL. Coleman talked about how he goes about 51 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 3: kind of managing his own brand when it comes to 52 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 3: NIL endeavors and being the first member of this family 53 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: to make it to college. And he is a finalist 54 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 3: tonight for the Hampbell Award, which is like the academic Heisman, 55 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 3: And to be honest with you, I don't know if 56 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 3: they have awarded it yet or not, but that's something 57 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:10,120 Speaker 3: UB should be on the lookout for or Washington fans 58 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 3: because Coleman could win a very prestigious award tonight. 59 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:17,280 Speaker 7: What about Sun, obviously we're interested up in these parts 60 00:03:18,080 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 7: anything Pat Sun had to disclose that might be interesting 61 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 7: to Husky fans here. 62 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 3: Well, I mean he talked about there in Il and 63 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 3: dogs unleashed and how they decided to bring it in 64 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 3: house and how they have God, Washington has got this, 65 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 3: you know, incredibly. It's just a landscape that is set 66 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,040 Speaker 3: up for Washington to succeed if it can execute. Because 67 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:46,440 Speaker 3: right what these days with outside nil being so important, 68 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 3: having a thriving business community and being an important part 69 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 3: of the culture in the Puget Sound area for UDUB football, 70 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 3: that they feel like. 71 00:03:57,400 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 4: Now that they've got everything kind of set up. 72 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: That they have a lot of potential on the nil 73 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 3: front if they can maximize the community with Amazon and Microsoft, 74 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 3: Starbucks and all the Washington alums in Seattle. 75 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: Well, do you believe what he's selling, John, Because I've 76 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 2: always been more optimistic than I think you have on 77 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 2: that potential for you DUB to really challenge and be 78 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 2: one of the top quartile of teams in the Big Ten. 79 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to do that. 80 00:04:31,000 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 3: If you think about the math, Washington, like all the 81 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 3: top teams in the Big Ten, basically spend at about 82 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 3: thirteen fourteen million dollars on their football roster on average, 83 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 3: maybe fifteen for Ohio State. 84 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 4: But then you've got the over the cap. 85 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:49,600 Speaker 3: Nil, the outside nil that comes from business opportunities, promotional 86 00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 3: stuff like what Jonah Coleman is doing. You need at 87 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,080 Speaker 3: least five million in the Big Ten to compete for 88 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 3: the title. Closer to ten million would be good because 89 00:04:59,320 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 3: you know or and Ohio State are ten million in 90 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,520 Speaker 3: nil in addition to their fourteen million in rev share. 91 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 4: I'm not sure. 92 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 3: I've never been convinced that Washington could get all the 93 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,599 Speaker 3: way up there to that high level. But you know, 94 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 3: if the Huskies can get to five million in nil, 95 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 3: I think they got the chance to put together a 96 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 3: roster that can compete for a title. But I kind 97 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: of want to see it. I don't I'm not going 98 00:05:23,080 --> 00:05:24,719 Speaker 3: to assume it's going to happen. 99 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:29,960 Speaker 7: Yeah, John Wilner with us. John, we haven't talked to 100 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 7: you since last week. This weekend, a lot of stuff 101 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 7: going on in the field on Saturday, a lot of 102 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 7: stuff of interest on Sunday with the selection. What was 103 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 7: your reaction to what you saw this weekend? 104 00:05:44,640 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 3: Oh boy, I don't even know where to start. I mean, 105 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 3: I guess, first of all, I should come clean. I 106 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 3: thought Miami was going to get left out. I thought 107 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 3: what they were going to do is they were going 108 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 3: to drop Alabama one spot so that Alabama would be 109 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 3: between Notre Dame and Miami, so they didn't actually have 110 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:03,000 Speaker 3: to get to the point of using the head to 111 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,279 Speaker 3: head to get the Canes. 112 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:06,720 Speaker 4: In ahead of the Irish. I thought they were going. 113 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 3: To kind of protect themselves from that by putting Alabama 114 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,440 Speaker 3: in between. They kept them and where they were, so 115 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 3: the head to Notre Dame in Miami were next to 116 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 3: each other, which meant the head to head came into play. 117 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 3: Miami got the spot. I certainly thought Notre Dame's reaction 118 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 3: was completely uncalled for. The weekly ranking show is the problem. 119 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 3: It is a huge problem for the college football playoffs. 120 00:06:29,760 --> 00:06:32,200 Speaker 3: But Notre Dame, I mean, not going to a bowl 121 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 3: game is just quitting and sends a terrible message that 122 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: comments by their athletics director I thought were completely. 123 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:39,239 Speaker 6: Out of line. 124 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 3: They have handled it very, very poorly. After twelve years 125 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:48,839 Speaker 3: of the college Football Playoff bending over backwards to pacify 126 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 3: Notre Dame and to give Notre Dame great access, now 127 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 3: they're acting like spoiled children. 128 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're exactly right, and I think your thoughts are 129 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 2: shared by a vast majority of the country that does 130 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:05,840 Speaker 2: not bleed Kelly Green, that is for sure. But I was, Yeah, 131 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 2: I didn't understand why Bavaqua the ad he goes on 132 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 2: Dan Patrick today and he starts taking shots at the 133 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 2: ACC is like all the ACC didn't advocate for us. Well, 134 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:21,240 Speaker 2: wait a second, did did you did you turn down 135 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: invitations from these conferences or these conferences not letting you in. 136 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 6: I think we all know the answer to that question. 137 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:33,240 Speaker 2: So why should the ACC advocate for an independent football school. 138 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 4: They shouldn't. I mean, Notre Dame wants its. 139 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 3: Cake and is eating it too, and it wants your 140 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: cake and everybody's cake. Really, they are claiming that because 141 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 3: they are a member of the ACC in twenty four 142 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:49,520 Speaker 3: sports or whatever it is, that the ACC should not 143 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 3: have taken Miami's side. 144 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 4: Right. 145 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 3: The ACC did a bunch of messaging last week in 146 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 3: favor of Miami, and Notre Dame was put off by that. 147 00:07:58,000 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 4: But too bad. They're not a member of the ACC football. 148 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 3: The ACC has no obligation whatsoever to advocate for Notre 149 00:08:04,200 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 3: Dame in football when Notre Dame has said. 150 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 4: No, we're not joining. And the thing is, if Notre Dame. 151 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 3: A lot of people say, oh, well, they could go 152 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,600 Speaker 3: to the Big ten and get you know, say go 153 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:18,239 Speaker 3: by the ACC. But here's the thing. Notre Dame wants 154 00:08:18,280 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 3: to partner with the ACC because of the wins. 155 00:08:21,520 --> 00:08:22,840 Speaker 4: The AEC is not very good. 156 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 3: They go to the Big ten or they partner with 157 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 3: the SEC they're going to start, they're going to the 158 00:08:27,680 --> 00:08:31,120 Speaker 3: losses are going to pile up, and so they have 159 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: strategically picked the ACC because the schedule is softer and 160 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: it makes it an easier path to get to ten 161 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 3: and two. This year they got burned because the AEC 162 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 3: was so bad that their strength of schedule was terrible 163 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 3: and that kept them out. 164 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 7: So there really was the three teams vine for two spots, Alabama, Miami, 165 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 7: Notre Dame. In John Wilner's Ideal World, had you been 166 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 7: asked to submit in order those three teams, who's most first, second, 167 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:06,760 Speaker 7: and third among those three John. 168 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:12,440 Speaker 3: In terms of well they did. Technically it looked like 169 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 3: three for two, but based on the fact that they 170 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:19,840 Speaker 3: didn't move Alabama, it was almost just two for one spot. 171 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 3: So I thought I would have put Alabama in because 172 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 3: I didn't think you should pull Alabama out for losing 173 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 3: to a team that they had already beaten on the road. 174 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 4: That was the difference. 175 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 3: Everybody pointed to the fact that you know, by you 176 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 3: lost the Texas tex and dropped, but by you lost 177 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 3: the Texas Sex twice in blowouts. Alabama beat Georgia at Georgia, 178 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 3: so to then turn around and punish them for losing 179 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 3: to Georgia. I didn't think that they had any business 180 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:53,000 Speaker 3: keeping Alabama out. The interesting thing is, if you're asking 181 00:09:53,000 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 3: me which of those three teams do I think that 182 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 3: has the best chance to win the national title, it 183 00:09:56,080 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 3: will be Notre Dame. 184 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 4: In fact, if Notre Dame were. 185 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 3: In the playoff, I would think hard about picking Notre 186 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:04,640 Speaker 3: Dame to win the whole thing. And if you, if 187 00:10:04,679 --> 00:10:08,839 Speaker 3: you like, asked an oddsmaker who would be favored Notre 188 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 3: Dame versus all the twelve playoff teams, I would bet 189 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 3: you that the Irish would be favored against everybody except 190 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 3: Ohio State. 191 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 6: Really, they'd be favored Georgia. 192 00:10:20,400 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, I do. I do. 193 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 3: I think that they they they are like all eye 194 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 3: tests and and but that they look good and the 195 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 3: odds I think the odds makers would maybe it'd be 196 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 3: a pick them against Indiana, but I bet you they'd 197 00:10:33,320 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 3: be favored against Georgia absolutely well. 198 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,800 Speaker 6: Jeremiah Love is explosive. I want that guy in the. 199 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 3: Same Their offense is awesome, their defense has gotten better. 200 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 3: But so who deserved to get in? I would say 201 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: it would be Miami and Alabama I just didn't think 202 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 3: the committee would do it after all those weeks of 203 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 3: saying Miami's behind Notre Dame. And that's again, that's the problem. 204 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 3: They box themselves in because they've got to do those 205 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,520 Speaker 3: five shows for ESPN a lot. 206 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 6: As we're talking about Notre Dame. I got one more 207 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:03,240 Speaker 6: on the Irish. 208 00:11:03,400 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 2: Should USC just smoke the Irish out and just seriously, 209 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:10,400 Speaker 2: container consider taking Notre Dame off their schedule because now 210 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,600 Speaker 2: with a weak ACC that Notre Dame plays a bunch 211 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 2: of teams in and then they sprinkle in some crap 212 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,679 Speaker 2: teams from other conferences, you take USC out, I mean, 213 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:22,880 Speaker 2: they just won't have the strength of schedule to even 214 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 2: I mean they would have to go. They would have 215 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 2: to be a one lost team to make the playoffs 216 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 2: with the type of schedule if you did, if they 217 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: didn't play USC. 218 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 3: The thing is, that game is worth a lot of 219 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 3: money to the Big Ten, and it's worth a lot 220 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 3: to USC, and USC fans care a ton about that game, 221 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:39,840 Speaker 3: and they are up in arms over the fact that 222 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: I'll make it canceled. The issue is, and I think 223 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,160 Speaker 3: USC's got a point. They don't like having to go 224 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 3: to South Bend. Every other year in the middle of October. 225 00:11:48,840 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 3: That is a competitive disadvantage versus everybody else in the 226 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 3: Big Ten that doesn't have to do that. SC wants 227 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,720 Speaker 3: to move the game to the early weeks of the 228 00:11:56,720 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 3: season and play it as a typical non conference game. 229 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:04,320 Speaker 3: The problem is Notre Dame has already booked up with 230 00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 3: a whole bunch of showdowns the first couple of weeks. 231 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:08,600 Speaker 4: They don't want to add. 232 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:11,400 Speaker 3: USC to it because they're worried they're going to be 233 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 3: zero to two or zero to three if they've also 234 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:16,520 Speaker 3: got to play the Trojans plus Alabama or the Trojans 235 00:12:16,559 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 3: plus you know whoever. 236 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:19,880 Speaker 4: That's the problem. 237 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,280 Speaker 3: Not want to play it early, and USC doesn't want 238 00:12:22,280 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 3: to play it in the middle of the season. 239 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,439 Speaker 7: John Wilner with us and John, I've got a clear 240 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 7: and strong take on the James Madison slash Twulane slash 241 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:37,720 Speaker 7: Group of five, our participation in this tournament. I expressed 242 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 7: you yesterday, I want to know your I want to 243 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 7: know your take. 244 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:43,959 Speaker 3: Well, my take is the only reason there's two of 245 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 3: them in is because the ACC sucked. 246 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:47,240 Speaker 4: I mean, that's the bottom line. 247 00:12:48,120 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 3: James Madison would not be and everybody wants to blame 248 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 3: the Group of five. James Madison would not be in 249 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 3: the playoffs if the ACC hadn't produced a champion. There 250 00:12:56,920 --> 00:13:00,360 Speaker 3: was eight and five, right. The problem is that Duke 251 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 3: won the ACC with five losses, including a loss to 252 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 3: Yukon and a loss to two Lane. So that's the 253 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:13,079 Speaker 3: issue and the ACC. One level deeper is the ACC's 254 00:13:13,120 --> 00:13:17,360 Speaker 3: tiebreaker was terrible. Right, Duke should never have been allowed. 255 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 4: To get into the championship game and play for it. 256 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: They didn't have any wins against the teams they were 257 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 3: tied with, and yet they still advance into the tie breaker. 258 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 7: Well, my strongest take on this it has to do 259 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:35,960 Speaker 7: with how the powerfo schools and those who advocate for 260 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 7: power for football, they need to be aware of the 261 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 7: legal ramifications of trying to exclude the Group of five. 262 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 7: You land an anti trust court. I'm not going to 263 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,200 Speaker 7: get into all the details, but you know it. You 264 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 7: studied it like you want to leave well enough alone. 265 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:55,560 Speaker 7: The NCAA made a big mistake with Austin and how 266 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 7: that impacted the entire landscape. You don't want to be 267 00:13:59,320 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 7: in court with a group of five schools talking about 268 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 7: how they've been damaged and so leave well enough alone, 269 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 7: give them their two spots and just think of it 270 00:14:07,600 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 7: as a ten team power forour tournament, and the other 271 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 7: two just are therefore to cover your ass legally. That's 272 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:20,640 Speaker 7: the crux of my take. What's your take and your response, well. 273 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, If they try to box out the group 274 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,160 Speaker 3: of five, there'll be a lawsuit in about three seconds. 275 00:14:27,440 --> 00:14:28,880 Speaker 4: And that's the reason. 276 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 3: That it structured the way it is. Right, it's the 277 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 3: five highest rank conference champions. 278 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 4: There is nothing. 279 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 3: Specific to power four or group of five. It's just 280 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 3: the five highest rank conference champs, which means the four 281 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 3: Power four and room for one of the group of five. 282 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:48,320 Speaker 3: Otherwise they're going to get sued. And there's no doubt 283 00:14:48,320 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 3: about it. I mean, it's a non starter. And if 284 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 3: they go to sixteen, the group of five is going 285 00:14:53,080 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 3: to have access. If they go to twenty four, the 286 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:56,960 Speaker 3: group of five is going to have access. There's no 287 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: way they cannot do it without ending up in court. 288 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 6: Then how do we get to a super conference? 289 00:15:01,960 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 4: Then to a super conference? 290 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean, well that would be a totally different deal. 291 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 3: It would be probably funded by private equity and it 292 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 3: would not be subject to the same legal constraints that 293 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 3: we have right now. 294 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 2: If they want to be part of it, they wouldn't 295 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 2: be part of the FBS, wouldn't be part of the NCAA. 296 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 5: They would just be. 297 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:28,040 Speaker 3: Talking no, no, they the super Conference would be you know, 298 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 3: thirty two forty eight teams and if they're if they're 299 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 3: not part of that that structure, then they wouldn't have 300 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: a claim on getting into the playoff for that structure. 301 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 5: Gotcha? 302 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 7: So what intrigues you the most about the term? Is 303 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 7: there a team that you think, okay, you you already 304 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 7: mentioned Notre Dame, Well they're not in it other than shock, 305 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 7: tell us some some upsets that you would see if 306 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:56,080 Speaker 7: you were filling out a bracket kind of like an 307 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 7: NCAA tournament bracket. Who would you like that maybeeople aren't 308 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:02,800 Speaker 7: talking about. Is there's somebody in there that's gonna make 309 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 7: a run that we're not seeing? 310 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 3: Well, I guess it depends on how far down you 311 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 3: want to go on the seeds. I mean, the first 312 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:10,720 Speaker 3: thing that structure that stuck out to me was as 313 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 3: soon as Ohio State lost to Indiana, you knew it 314 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 3: was going to be Ohio State Georgia paired together as 315 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:19,200 Speaker 3: the two three, and that is the side of the 316 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 3: bracket to avoid because you don't want to have to 317 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 3: play one of those teams in the quarters and then 318 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 3: one of those teams in the semis. Because as good 319 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 3: as Indiana is, I think Georgia and Ohio State are 320 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 3: the most talented teams. I actually does this five seed 321 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 3: count as like a sleep burgon because Oregon, Oregon has 322 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 3: got the best spot. The five seed is the best 323 00:16:39,520 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 3: spot in this entire tournament, regardless of the team itself. 324 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 3: Oregon gets to play at home, it gets to twelve, 325 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 3: they advance and they play Texas Tech. Texas Tech's going 326 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,440 Speaker 3: to be have been off for a month, Oregon's gonna 327 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,840 Speaker 3: have been had ten days a rest. It's a neutral site. 328 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 3: I think it's perfect for the Ducks to get into 329 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 3: the semis, and then they got to rematch against Indiana. 330 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 4: But the five every year. 331 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 3: In the way, this is the format of the twelve 332 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 3: team playoff, the five seed is the seed to get. 333 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:10,440 Speaker 4: Well. 334 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 2: John on December ninth, twenty twenty six, we hope we 335 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 2: have you on and we're talking about the Huskies and 336 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 2: the college football playoffs. But right now it's twenty twenty five, 337 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 2: and we're talking about a preview with the LA. 338 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,000 Speaker 6: Bowl and Boise State. 339 00:17:24,200 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 2: So how much, if at all, have you seen Boise 340 00:17:28,280 --> 00:17:29,040 Speaker 2: State this week? 341 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 6: And what do you think about the you know, Husky. 342 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 2: Team that seems motivated, they're not nobody's scratching from this game. 343 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:37,879 Speaker 2: Jed's got them all on the right track headed down. 344 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 5: To LA. 345 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, it's just alle to me so quickly. 346 00:17:43,240 --> 00:17:46,200 Speaker 3: Right, We're just we're still kind of engulfed in the 347 00:17:46,240 --> 00:17:49,479 Speaker 3: furor of the CFP decisions. 348 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 4: And the Huskies are playing them what like four to eight. 349 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:53,080 Speaker 1: It's nuts. 350 00:17:53,280 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 4: It's nuts. Look. 351 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:59,160 Speaker 3: I have watched Poise a bunch, and the big thing 352 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,720 Speaker 3: is that their quarterback healthy Madox Matts, and they're totally 353 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 3: different team with him. 354 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,159 Speaker 4: They lost that slopfest to. 355 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 3: San Diego State when he was hurt. They're much better 356 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,320 Speaker 3: team than they were early when they got beat badly 357 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 3: by South Florida. But they're also a totally different team 358 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 3: because there's no astroon genty right, so they're a better 359 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 3: balanced on offense. They're just very well coached. They're very solid. 360 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 4: You know. I would say if we see. 361 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 3: The home version of you dub, the Husky should win 362 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 3: the game. If we see the road version of you 363 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 3: dub that we've seen so many times in the last 364 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 3: two years, I think Boys State will win well. 365 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,840 Speaker 2: The question is as Boys to stay closer to Michigan, 366 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 2: Ohio State and Oregon, or are they closer to Purdue 367 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 2: Wazoo Illinois. I mean, that's that's the question. I mean, 368 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 2: it's not necessarily home and road too that's played. 369 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 4: Well. 370 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:58,360 Speaker 3: I think that they are probably in the middle. I mean, 371 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 3: I don't you know, yeah, middle of that. They're certainly 372 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,119 Speaker 3: not nearly as good as the top teams Washington's played, 373 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 3: but they're also way better than Purdue. And the thing 374 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 3: is they will be motivated because for the Mountain West 375 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 3: champ the La bul is a big deal because they 376 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,640 Speaker 3: always want to beat the Pac twelve team. And even 377 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 3: though Washington is now in the Big ten, it's still 378 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:23,240 Speaker 3: the same. You know, in their eyes, it's beaten, you know, 379 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 3: a bigger, richer school type thing. 380 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 7: John, Yes or no, it's news in Seattle. If Jedfish 381 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:33,919 Speaker 7: talked to had interest sought the Florida job, to your knowledge, 382 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 7: did that happen. 383 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 3: I don't know for sure that he talked to them. 384 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 3: Do I think that he wanted to wanted to be 385 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: on their list. Yeah, I do for sure, but I 386 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 3: don't honestly know whether there were conversations there. 387 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 4: It was before it was very public. 388 00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 3: About wanting Lane Kiffin, and once they weren't, they didn't 389 00:19:56,040 --> 00:20:00,400 Speaker 3: get Kiffin. I don't know where Fish fell of them. 390 00:20:00,680 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 3: My guess is he was third or fourth choice. 391 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 2: Okay, John, great stuff. We appreciate him, man. Thanks thanks guys, 392 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 2: connect you and thank you, Hugh. We're gonna let you 393 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 2: go because of my interview with the Husky defensive coordinator 394 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 2: Ryan Walters comes up next right here on ninety three 395 00:20:16,840 --> 00:20:20,400 Speaker 2: point three kJ R FM from the R and R. 396 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 6: Foundation Specialist Broadcast Studio. 397 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 8: Now back to Softie and Dick on your home for 398 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 8: the Huskies, Kraken and the twelfth Man Sports Radio ninety 399 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 8: three point three kJ r FM. 400 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 6: Headed over to Mott Lake today. They made Jed Fish 401 00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 6: available yesterday. 402 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,800 Speaker 2: They made both coordinators and a couple of players available 403 00:20:42,800 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 2: today for some chats. So I decided to have a 404 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 2: little chat with Ryan Walters, who was in the news. 405 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 5: Jackson. 406 00:20:50,920 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 2: There's a report out of Knoxville that Josh Heipel has 407 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 2: offered Ryan Walters the job to be the next defensive 408 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: coordinator at Tennessee. So we talked about a lot of things, 409 00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:06,480 Speaker 2: including his future at the University of Washington. When I 410 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 2: talked to him earlier on today and I asked him 411 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 2: first about his thoughts on year one at mont Lake, I. 412 00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 5: Thought it was awesome. You know, obviously would have liked 413 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:16,679 Speaker 5: to win a couple more of. 414 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 9: Those games, but I thought, you know, this the the 415 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:24,200 Speaker 9: camaraderie in the locker room, the way we worked together 416 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 9: as a staff, and the way we were able to 417 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 9: steadily improve throughout the course of the year and adapt 418 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,320 Speaker 9: to the roster and sort of get out of our 419 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 9: comfort zone a little bit, and to be able to 420 00:21:37,040 --> 00:21:37,480 Speaker 9: come up. 421 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,120 Speaker 5: With plans to put guys in positions to make plays. 422 00:21:41,440 --> 00:21:43,520 Speaker 9: You know, the amount of young guys were able to play, 423 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 9: and really just the amount of install that we were 424 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 9: able to go through throughout the course. 425 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 5: Of the season. 426 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 9: And you're one of a system I thought was pretty 427 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 9: impressive just from what I've seen in the past. I 428 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 9: love how physical they play. I love the way we tackle, 429 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,359 Speaker 9: like the way we enjoy the game and enjoy it 430 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,240 Speaker 9: with each other. So it's been a it's been a 431 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,560 Speaker 9: fun year, you know, for me personally. You know, the 432 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 9: last two seasons have been I've been rough, to say 433 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 9: the least, and sort of to be at a program that, 434 00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 9: you know, it kind of gives you the opportunity to 435 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 9: go out there, cut it loose, and you know, to 436 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:25,399 Speaker 9: work with a head coach as an offensive guy, but 437 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 9: you know, tackles more than anybody I've I've been around. 438 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 9: Like That's It's been a lot of a lot of 439 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:35,239 Speaker 9: things that I've learned here this year. And yeah, I've 440 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 9: been I've been blessed to be here. 441 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 6: I was just impressed. 442 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 2: I mentioned all year long about how consistent your defense was. 443 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 2: Maybe speak to that a little bit because I'm looking 444 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 2: back and I'm trying to think, Okay, where were they bad? 445 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 6: I mean maybe second and third quarters of the Apple 446 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 6: Cup you guys struggled, they put. 447 00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 5: Some points on you. 448 00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 2: But other than that, I mean, where did that consistency 449 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 2: come from, especially so early with such a new defense, 450 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 2: with a new defensive coordinator. 451 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,199 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think it's it's all about the players. Know, 452 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 9: at the end of the day, Like the thing that 453 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 9: I love about ball is it, it has been, is 454 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 9: and always will be about the players that are on 455 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 9: the field. Uh, because they're they're the ones that that 456 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 9: are making plays. They're the ones that are you know, 457 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 9: making the checks to get you in the right situation. 458 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,440 Speaker 9: And so I think that this the players buying uh, 459 00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 9: their commitment to the process and and you know, preparing 460 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 9: the right the right way and then ultimately going out 461 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 9: there and cutting loose on game days and not being 462 00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 9: you know, intimidated by some of the logos you see 463 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 9: in the Big ten or or the physical you know 464 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,960 Speaker 9: play that uh, this conference plays with. You know this 465 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,000 Speaker 9: the consistency just came from the players. 466 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 2: This is the first time that you've been a defensive 467 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 2: coordinator after being head coach, So what did you learn 468 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: being a defensive coordinator for the first time after you've 469 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 2: already run a prober. 470 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 9: You know, it's uh, you you see things through a 471 00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,639 Speaker 9: different lens for sure. You know, pre head coach experience 472 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,159 Speaker 9: that you know, the focuses is very centric just on 473 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 9: the defense, and you know, you know, how do how 474 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 9: do you how do you just stop the opposing team 475 00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:14,440 Speaker 9: where you know, now, because of the experience that I've had, 476 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:16,680 Speaker 9: it's like, well, how do you what's the best way 477 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 9: to win the game? Not just to play good defense? 478 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,200 Speaker 9: And you know sometimes it's it's not being as aggressive, 479 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 9: and it's it's making people. 480 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 5: Drive and and have long drives and. 481 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 9: Holding the field goals and not give up explosives to 482 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 9: to give your explosive offense a chance to uh sort 483 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,720 Speaker 9: of separate on the scoreboard. And so that's just you know, 484 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 9: the way you practice, you know, like it's before as. 485 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,159 Speaker 5: A as a just a coordinator. 486 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,680 Speaker 9: You know, I'm calling all kinds of blitches just getting 487 00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,679 Speaker 9: because you're just trying to stop the offense where you know, 488 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 9: as you go through and being a head coach, like 489 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,440 Speaker 9: the the goal is to get the quarterback to play 490 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,400 Speaker 9: is his best best he can. 491 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,320 Speaker 5: So like what that look like now as a. 492 00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 9: Play caller here is you know early in campbell, like 493 00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,120 Speaker 9: not pressuring the quarterback a bunch, like letting him get 494 00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 9: into a rhythm and you know, working still working on 495 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 9: things defensively and making sure we're sound and competitive, but 496 00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,520 Speaker 9: but also giving me a quarterback and opportunity to go 497 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:20,639 Speaker 9: through progressions and build some confidence and and you know 498 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 9: show him different looks without without freaking him out without 499 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 9: a better word, you know, so definitely just just see 500 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 9: things through a different lens. 501 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 5: And in terms of you know what you got to 502 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:30,680 Speaker 5: do to win games. 503 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: Maddox Madson Boys State quarterback coming off, I mean, arguably 504 00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 2: his best game of the year. He had a four 505 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,479 Speaker 2: touchdown game earlier. But you look at QBR, you look 506 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 2: at passer rating, I mean this might have been as 507 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,040 Speaker 2: good as he's done in the Mountain West championship game. 508 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 6: What type of problems as he's present. 509 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean he's been a great player for a 510 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 9: long time. You know, you look at even what he 511 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 9: did in high school through for a ton of yards 512 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,399 Speaker 9: and then that's done so in his his collegiate career. 513 00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:57,520 Speaker 9: He's just really efficient with the football. He knows the 514 00:25:57,560 --> 00:25:59,719 Speaker 9: offense inside and out. He can get through his reads, 515 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 9: you know, it's really accurate and those are. 516 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 5: A nice, easy catchable ball. 517 00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 9: And he's athletic enough to extend plays with his legs 518 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,879 Speaker 9: when when things aren't aren't there. 519 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 5: He's a good football player. 520 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: How about Riley and Gaines kind of a two headed 521 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,360 Speaker 2: running back month So they've both been effective. 522 00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:18,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, they both have been. 523 00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 9: And it's funny like if you kind of wouldn't know 524 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 9: the difference between too unless with you know, if they 525 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 9: didn't have different numbers similar running styles. 526 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:28,160 Speaker 5: You know, tough and physical. 527 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:33,080 Speaker 9: You know guys that are will be patient at the 528 00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 9: line of scrimmage and then when they see an opening, 529 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 9: we'll put their foot and ground and get vertical, not 530 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 9: really trying to make you miss, but you know, strong 531 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:42,359 Speaker 9: runners that are hard to bring down. 532 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever seen a team that has 533 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 2: nine guys over fifteen catches, but nobody over like forty. 534 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,720 Speaker 6: I mean, it's just is there a number one wide receiver? 535 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:52,399 Speaker 5: Do they truly just spread it around? 536 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 3: No? 537 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 5: Like number three is the guy. 538 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:56,159 Speaker 9: You know, especially on third downs, you look at the 539 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 9: targets in like explosive players who they're trying to get 540 00:26:59,520 --> 00:27:03,680 Speaker 9: the ball to. It's three and eighty. I know they 541 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 9: So they do a good job of catering to their 542 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,399 Speaker 9: roster and and trying to accentuate what certain guys are 543 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 9: good at and letting them go be those type of players. 544 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,240 Speaker 9: But it's also attestament to the quarterback I taken with 545 00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 9: the defense gives them, and that's kind of why you 546 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,320 Speaker 9: see the ball spread out the way it is. 547 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 2: We talked to Jed last week and he mentioned he 548 00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 2: expects Budda to be with you guys next year, Jacob, 549 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,800 Speaker 2: to be with you, I mean, this defense could be unbelievable. 550 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 2: I mean, as good as you guys were this year, 551 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: I mean, you could be unbelievable next year. 552 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 6: So how much does that fire. 553 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 9: You up a toime? You know, we got a lot 554 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 9: of We've played a lot of young guys this year. 555 00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 9: We got a lot of guys coming back. Obviously, we'll 556 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,280 Speaker 9: need guys to step up and we'll fill some holes 557 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,400 Speaker 9: on guys that are, you know, in their last year 558 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 9: of eligibility. But I'm extremely excited about the prospect the 559 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 9: next year and what that looks like. Defensively, you know, 560 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 9: always have made a big job from year one to 561 00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 9: year two, and you know, I don't I don't plan 562 00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 9: on that trend stopping. So I'm looking forward to the 563 00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:01,359 Speaker 9: next season. 564 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: They need a great defensive coordinator though, We're gonna a 565 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:05,439 Speaker 2: We're gonna have Ryan Walters back to to coordinate that 566 00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 2: defense next year. 567 00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:09,160 Speaker 9: I mean, I hope. So you know that's uh. I'm 568 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 9: still under contract. So but I love see I love 569 00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 9: it here, and you know, I really enjoy working for 570 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 9: coach face. 571 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 6: Yeah, there's just been a lot of a lot of 572 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 6: talk out there. I mean, that's part of the course 573 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:20,840 Speaker 6: of college football these days. 574 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 9: Right, kind of comes with the territory. And like again, 575 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 9: there's I know, a lot of guys on that that staff, 576 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 9: so it's easy for the media to kind of connect 577 00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,840 Speaker 9: those guys, right, make projections, but you know, as of 578 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 9: right now, those are just rumors. 579 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 2: How about this recruiting class, do you anticipate any true 580 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 2: freshman I mean, Cody the offensive lineman Jed talked about 581 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: as a guy that he thinks is gonna be right away. 582 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:46,400 Speaker 2: Anybody on the defensive side that you think could get 583 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 2: a lot of snaps next year. 584 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:49,640 Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, you know, you never really know until 585 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 9: you get him here. But you know, guys like Derek 586 00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 9: Coleman and Brusa, you know, they're just physically are already 587 00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 9: are already looked apart, can already do the things that 588 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 9: guys at his positioned do, you know in this conference. 589 00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 5: So, but I would. 590 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 9: Anticipate a lot of the other guys were you know, 591 00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 9: we're counting on some of those dbs to play early. 592 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 9: And you know, there was always a couple of surprises too, 593 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 9: Like I don't think anybody thought Roebuck was going to 594 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,360 Speaker 9: be Roebuck on this early, and and so you always 595 00:29:18,360 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 9: get some of those surprises as well. Hey, best of 596 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 9: luck to you. 597 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:21,680 Speaker 5: Thanks, thanks Belo.