Speaker 1: There's Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen in for the
Speaker 1: Great American Today. Willie Cunningham app she ate will he
Speaker 1: giving me a shot here? Well, I'll tell you what
Speaker 1: this week, and it's not over yet, has been unbelievable
Speaker 1: in things going on, both locally and throughout the country
Speaker 1: and throughout the world. Really, But I did want to
Speaker 1: talk to you right out of the shoot here about
Speaker 1: something that's got it's under my crawl, the whole situation
Speaker 1: up there in Minnesota. You probably know already we had
Speaker 1: yet another attack on a police officer that resulted in
Speaker 1: what would appear to me to be certainly a justifiable shooting.
Speaker 1: You know, it's getting out of hand up there. Enough
Speaker 1: is enough, and this has been widely published. You might
Speaker 1: already know the increase in attacks on ice officers is up.
Speaker 2: Are you ready for this?
Speaker 1: One thousand percent since twenty twenty four, one thousand percent.
Speaker 1: And these people, the so called protesters, and we'll probably
Speaker 1: talk about this a little bit later, they're getting to
Speaker 1: the bottom of what their deal is and it looks
Speaker 1: like a good number of them are being paid for
Speaker 1: their their protesting. But it's just it's out of control.
Speaker 1: President Trump. I just saw it on Fox here, I
Speaker 1: got it turned down. President Trump apparently is considering invoking
Speaker 1: the Insurrection Act, which you know, if it goes on
Speaker 1: much longer, if any more police officers are hurt, I
Speaker 1: think that's what he'll do, which in essence means that
Speaker 1: he can federalize the National Guard and call him in,
Speaker 1: or he can also to call the regular Army if
Speaker 1: he wants to. I don't know if they need that yet,
Speaker 1: but something has to be done. It's just it's out
Speaker 1: of control, absolutely out of control. So you know, we're
Speaker 1: gonna keep an eye on that situation. But just right
Speaker 1: before we came on the air, Fox hit one of
Speaker 1: those crawlers at the bottom and says Waltz tamp On,
Speaker 1: Tim calls on Trump to turn the temperature down after
Speaker 1: urging Minnesotans to resist.
Speaker 2: I'm that guy. Every time he.
Speaker 1: Opens his mouth he says something like that. I guess
Speaker 1: Kamala rubbed off on him. I think he's a big,
Speaker 1: big part of the problem. And the boy mayor Jacob Fry,
Speaker 1: I think he's a big part of the problem too.
Speaker 1: But yesterday, just some details on what happened yesterday, and
Speaker 1: again Trump is considering the Insiration Insurrection Act, which I
Speaker 1: think he should. Yesterday, the event to Kurt, I guess
Speaker 1: it was about seven o'clock local time up there. It
Speaker 1: involved in undocumented immigrant I e. And illegal alien. He's
Speaker 1: a Venezuelan national.
Speaker 2: It's you know.
Speaker 1: The driver in this thing was also an immigrant from Venezuela,
Speaker 1: and we'll talk about that in just a second. Apparently
Speaker 1: the man fled. It was a traffic stop. The man
Speaker 1: fled the traffic stop in his car, crashed into a
Speaker 1: park vehicle, and then he took off on foot. The
Speaker 1: auficer caught up with him, is probably in pretty good shape.
Speaker 1: The man resisted arrest and began a violent assault.
Speaker 2: So there you go.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a part of the one thousand percent
Speaker 1: increase in attacks on ice officers. And given the rhetoric,
Speaker 1: I mean, I want to blame it on Trump, but
Speaker 1: given the rhetoric of the boy mayor and Governor Tampon,
Speaker 1: is it any wonder?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: Walts in the same breath says.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, we need call, and then he goes,
Speaker 1: you all got to get it, go out there and
Speaker 1: stir it up. Well, Apparently, the man, like I said,
Speaker 1: he fled the traffic stop. He crashed into a park vehicle.
Speaker 1: He took off on foot, which happens quite a bit now.
Speaker 1: While the two were struggling on the ground, two additional individuals.
Speaker 1: Don't know much about them at this point. They weren't
Speaker 1: friends of the officers, though. Two other people emerged from
Speaker 1: an apartment complex and attack the officer. Get this, using
Speaker 1: a snow shovel and a broom handle. That's what these
Speaker 1: cops up in these ice officers up in Minnesota have
Speaker 1: to worry about it.
Speaker 2: It's just ridiculous. The officer did. He took a shot.
Speaker 1: He stated he feared for his life, Yeah, while being
Speaker 1: pummeled by a snowshovel and a broom handle.
Speaker 2: I get it.
Speaker 1: Feared for his life being ambushed by three people reON one.
Speaker 1: He fired what he's referring to as a defensive shot,
Speaker 1: striking the initial subject in the leg. And I guess everybody,
Speaker 1: the officer included, everybody's gonna be okay. But enough is enough.
Speaker 1: I mean, they're out of control up there. It's every
Speaker 1: damn day. I mean, I wonder what these people's source
Speaker 1: of income is, other than a great amount of them
Speaker 1: are probably being paid for doing it, and it all
Speaker 1: goes back to the George Soros types. So, like I said,
Speaker 1: the officer and the man who did the assault on
Speaker 1: the officer transported to the hospital. The assaulters' injuries were
Speaker 1: described as non life threatening. And then the two bystanders
Speaker 1: that join into the attack, I'm not sure about them,
Speaker 1: but I think they're all right in this event. It
Speaker 1: occurred exactly one week after an another ice officer fatally
Speaker 1: shot a woman in self defense in Minnesota.
Speaker 2: We all know about.
Speaker 1: That one, and we found out too, by the way,
Speaker 1: just recently, I think it was yesterday that that officer
Speaker 1: sustained some fairly serious injuries to his leg that I
Speaker 1: guess they didn't know about before. I'm going to try
Speaker 1: to drill down on that, and I give you this
Speaker 1: scoop on that. But it's out of control up there.
Speaker 1: I think Trump is about had all he wants to
Speaker 1: take and if it doesn't stop, I look for the
Speaker 1: Insurrection Act to be something a tool that the president uses.
Speaker 1: But according to Fox News, protests continued yesterday after that shooting,
Speaker 1: with these alleged demonstrators using horns and whistles and officers
Speaker 1: deploying tear gas and pepper balls. There were at least
Speaker 1: one hundred people at the scene, where officers were dispersing
Speaker 1: pepper spray, throwing pepper balls, and using flash bangs as
Speaker 1: rioters tossed items at the agents. Demonstrators were calling on
Speaker 1: Ice to leave the city and holding signs with phrases
Speaker 1: such as f word Ice, classy.
Speaker 2: And then the police chief, I mean, what the hell
Speaker 2: is his deal?
Speaker 1: Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hare said the crowd was committing
Speaker 1: unlawful acts throwing fireworks, then why don't you do something
Speaker 1: about it? Chief, Do something about it, you know, tell
Speaker 1: your officers to enforce the law. It's just hard for
Speaker 1: me to believe that that chief is where he is
Speaker 1: and doing something about it. If they're committing unlawful acts,
Speaker 1: by God, charge him with it. Not that big of
Speaker 1: a deal. Here's what Wall said. And this guy is unbelievable. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote him here. This is yesterday. I know
Speaker 1: you're angry. I'm angry here. It comes. What Donald Trump
Speaker 1: wants is violence in the streets. But Minnesota will remain
Speaker 1: an island of decency, of justice, of community, and of peace.
Speaker 1: Don't give him what he wants he put that on X,
Speaker 1: you know, with him, not just him, but him especially,
Speaker 1: no matter what happens, Trump Trump, Trump, you know, not him,
Speaker 1: not the Attorney general, Keith Ellison, very very good friend
Speaker 1: of Lewis Farakhan. But it's always Trump, always, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just get it's getting a little bit out of
Speaker 1: control up there. Well, I'll tell you I saw something
Speaker 1: today that I wanted to share with you because you
Speaker 1: talk about hitting a nail on the head. Okay, there's
Speaker 1: a guy by the name of Joe Abraham. You might
Speaker 1: recognize the name. His daughter, twenty year old daughter was
Speaker 1: killed at the hands of illegal alien. This is how
Speaker 1: this went down. She's minding your own business, driving her car,
Speaker 1: and this car, driven by an illegal plowed into the
Speaker 1: back of her and pretty much instantly killed her. Well,
Speaker 1: mister Abraham wrote an op ed that he's getting a
Speaker 1: lot of coverage. Just a few sentences from that, this
Speaker 1: is mister Abraham. As I read and watched the coverage
Speaker 1: coming out of Minnesota about the tragic shooting of a
Speaker 1: woman allegedly attempting to run over a federal agent with
Speaker 1: her vehicle, two things immediately came to me. And again
Speaker 1: this is mister Abram, the victim's father.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: He said two things, First, how demonstrators were being stoked,
Speaker 1: inflamed and used by politicians for self serving purposes. Second,
Speaker 1: and far more personal, where was the outrage when my
Speaker 1: innocent twenty year old daughter, Katie Abraham was killed by
Speaker 1: an illegal alien shielded and protected by Illinois sanctuary policies.
Speaker 1: You never hear Governor Waltz, You never hear the boy Mayor.
Speaker 2: You never hear anyone else, the Attorney general.
Speaker 1: You just you don't hear them ever talking about that,
Speaker 1: never talking about what happens when, like Joe Biden, you
Speaker 1: let twenty million people in our country with no idea
Speaker 1: who they are or what they are. Anyway, He goes
Speaker 1: on to say, when my daughter was violently killed, there
Speaker 1: were no viral videos, no breathless media panels, no emotional
Speaker 1: press conferences, and no candlelight vigils amplified by politicians and pundits.
Speaker 1: Where were the stories about how the car Katie was
Speaker 1: writing in, stopped at a red light, was struck from
Speaker 1: behind at nearly eighty miles an hour by a drunk
Speaker 1: driving illegal alien. A drunk driving illegal alien. That death,
Speaker 1: That death of that twenty year old young lady was
Speaker 1: completely completely preventable.
Speaker 2: It was preventable by number one. You don't let everybody.
Speaker 1: And their brother cross the border unchecked, unvetted on everything.
Speaker 2: That's number one. Number two, the ones.
Speaker 1: That are here, you let ice do their job, the
Speaker 1: job that they're charged with by a federal statute. The
Speaker 1: statute's been around since I think nineteen fifty two. Pretty
Speaker 1: damn simple. All boils down to thou shalt not trespass
Speaker 1: into our country. You know, let's just say the Biden
Speaker 1: administration was tough on that, and like Trump is, I mean,
Speaker 1: Trump's pretty much cleaned it all up now as far
Speaker 1: as people coming in, maybe that man's daughter would still
Speaker 1: be with.
Speaker 2: Us just a few more here. It's heartbreaking.
Speaker 1: Where was the outrage over how first responders had to
Speaker 1: pry the vehicle open. This is said like a tutican,
Speaker 1: to pull my daughter's lifeless body from the wreckage. You know,
Speaker 1: who's speaking for this young lady other than her father.
Speaker 1: It also struck me how the same media figures, politicians
Speaker 1: and commentators now expressing outrage over the Minneapolis shooting have
Speaker 1: had nothing to say about Katie.
Speaker 2: Nothing.
Speaker 1: And then you get to this guy, I'll tell you
Speaker 1: this is the boy mayor number two, Mayored Mondamie up
Speaker 1: in New York City.
Speaker 2: Here's what he says.
Speaker 1: Quote, we know when ice agents attack immigrants, they attack
Speaker 1: every single one of us across this country. Number One,
Speaker 1: they don't attack, they respond, And number two, they ain't
Speaker 1: attacking me.
Speaker 2: I mean, let them do their job.
Speaker 1: And then you get probably it may be arguable, but
Speaker 1: probably the dumbest elected official in the United States of
Speaker 1: America today. I'm talking about the Democrat Mayor of Chicago,
Speaker 1: Brandon Johnson. Here's what he says. We stand in solidarity
Speaker 1: with the people of Minneapolis and with all of those
Speaker 1: across the country whose lives have been torn apart due
Speaker 1: to reckless actions by Trump's lawless and then he throws
Speaker 1: this everywhere, lawless racist force.
Speaker 2: You know, just throw the racist in there.
Speaker 1: You know, the term is used like thrown around like confetti.
Speaker 2: It means nothing.
Speaker 1: And then you got Karen Bass, La Mayor Karen Bass,
Speaker 1: Democrat of Courts. It happened because of the brutal and
Speaker 1: there you go again, racist policies of the Trump administration
Speaker 1: that unleashed the agents, unleashed the agents to do what
Speaker 1: they are sworn to do, enforce federal law. You know,
Speaker 1: these protests that you don't like it, change the law, Lobby, Congress,
Speaker 1: have them change it. It's ridiculous, you know. He just
Speaker 1: a few more sentences here. He writes, as we approach
Speaker 1: the one year anniversary of Katie's death on January nineteenth,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five, sanctuary policies continue to cause death and destruction,
Speaker 1: and our political leaders continue to double down. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: we're at a point now where they have to double
Speaker 1: down because it's getting completely out of control. And my
Speaker 1: guess is, if this stuff in Minneapolis doesn't let up,
Speaker 1: Trump's going to invoke the Insurrection Act, possibly before the weekend. Well,
Speaker 1: he's talking about sanctuary policies, and he says again, and
Speaker 1: this is the young lady's father. This is not sympathetic governance,
Speaker 1: it's sympathetic irresponsibility. Yeah, I think you're right by refusing
Speaker 1: to cooperate with federal authorities. He's talking about Illinois Governor Pritzker,
Speaker 1: where he's from. Illinois, removed every guardrail that might have
Speaker 1: prevented tragedy. No meaningful background checks, no identity confirmation, no monitoring,
Speaker 1: no intervention, just walk into our country. Thank you very much,
Speaker 1: mister Biden. And he goes on to say, and this
Speaker 1: is you can find it if you want. It's on
Speaker 1: Fox's website. Last thing, he says, Katie paid with her life.
Speaker 1: So all of these people out there protested, why don't
Speaker 1: you take just a few minutes to recognize her, to
Speaker 1: recognize Katie and all the other people that have died
Speaker 1: at the hands of an illegal immigrant that the Biden
Speaker 1: administration let into our country. You don't hear anything about that.
Speaker 1: You don't hear the media all wound up about that.
Speaker 1: But anyway, that's what I think. Hey, we got to
Speaker 1: take a break. But when we get back, big goings
Speaker 1: on in the city. Looks like another person is going
Speaker 1: to ring the taxpayers up big time. And we're going
Speaker 1: to talk to Steve about that when we get back.
Speaker 1: Mike Allen in for Willy's seven hundred wlw caarback Mike
Speaker 1: Allen in for the great American Willie Cunningham. This next
Speaker 1: guy has been busy, busy, busy because he's in great
Speaker 1: demand because he's so good at what he does. I'm talking,
Speaker 1: of course, about Steve Gooden. We found out yesterday that
Speaker 1: Elwood Jones. I'm sure you're familiar with that case. His
Speaker 1: conviction was overturned after I believe it's about thirty years.
Speaker 1: He is now suing to get money for being unlawfully
Speaker 1: and according to him, incarcerated for again about close to
Speaker 1: thirty years. And you know, if it's successful, he's going
Speaker 1: to ring up the taxpayers to the tune of about
Speaker 1: one point eight million. But it's a really crazy, kind
Speaker 1: of a byzantine way that all this works legally. And
Speaker 1: the guy who explained it is Steve Good and Steve,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for calling in.
Speaker 4: Oh anytime, Mike.
Speaker 5: I don't know that I can truly explain this in
Speaker 5: a way that it won't make the taxpayer scream.
Speaker 4: I know my best to explain the process.
Speaker 1: Can you break it down, Steven? Honestly, just over the
Speaker 1: last couple of days, I did a little research. It's
Speaker 1: it's kind of goofy, but yeah, just kind of explain
Speaker 1: how it works, and you know what the standard is
Speaker 1: and those.
Speaker 2: Kind of things.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's the kind of thing that the
Speaker 5: average person doesn't even know about. I mean, there is
Speaker 5: a special court in Columbus called the Court of Claims
Speaker 5: that deals with claims that are brought against the state,
Speaker 5: and almost all the prisoner claims that involve state prisons
Speaker 5: are litigated there. You know, they're open to the public,
Speaker 5: but they don't really broadcast what they do. I've litigated
Speaker 5: with them many times, so it's kind of has the
Speaker 5: feel of a star chamber. And millions upon millions of
Speaker 5: dollars of taxpayer dollars are dealt with in this special
Speaker 5: Court of Claims. So really to kind of set the
Speaker 5: stage here, you know, Elwood Jones was convicted back I
Speaker 5: think in nineteen ninety four of murdering a woman named
Speaker 5: Rhoda Nathan. Importantly, this occurred in Blue Ash. He was
Speaker 5: the charges were brought by the County prosecutor's office. So
Speaker 5: this is one where the city of Cincinnati has no
Speaker 5: role whatsoever. I know, they're given out big settlements. It
Speaker 5: feels like left and right right now. This is one
Speaker 5: where the Cincinnati Police, the mayor, city manager, no one
Speaker 5: has anything to do with this. It's purely a state
Speaker 5: and county matter. The county is a political subdivision of
Speaker 5: the state under Ohio law. So you know, whenever you know,
Speaker 5: when you were proster, every charge with State of Ohio
Speaker 5: versus the State of Ohio versus Elwood Jones. So what
Speaker 5: he has done is the after many years of litigation,
Speaker 5: you know, it is finally the charges against him have
Speaker 5: been dismissed. There are a lot of folks, including the
Speaker 5: family and miss Nathan, and a lot of folks like
Speaker 5: me that worked in the prosecutor's office that really strongly
Speaker 5: questioned that decision. But not only were they dismissed, the
Speaker 5: new prosecutor County Village took the extraordinary step saying publicly
Speaker 5: that she is no longer convinced he was guilty at all.
Speaker 1: Steve question, can I ask you a quom sor? I
Speaker 1: didn't mean to interrupt, but I want to ask her,
Speaker 1: why do you think she did that? I think she's smart.
Speaker 1: I think she's done a good job, a real good
Speaker 1: job as prosecutors so far.
Speaker 2: But why do you think she did that? Well, you know,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, I can only speculate.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm guessing that perhaps that's that's really what
Speaker 5: she thought. I mean, I mean, I think you look
Speaker 5: at the case and I think there's still some very
Speaker 5: very strong evidence he did it, sort of like the
Speaker 5: old O. J. Simpson questioned, if he didn't do it,
Speaker 5: who did you know he had access to the room.
Speaker 5: You know, some indications he had a defensive bike wound
Speaker 5: or some sort of injury. There was all kinds of
Speaker 5: circumstantial evidence. It's a pre DNA case, so there isn't
Speaker 5: any kind of DNA that would just absolutely definitely confirm
Speaker 5: it the way you know something like this would be
Speaker 5: confirmed now. But instead of just saying, look, standards have
Speaker 5: changed or he's done enough time, she went that extra
Speaker 5: step and said, I'm not convinced he did it. And
Speaker 5: what the practical impact that that's going to be is that,
Speaker 5: you know, the first step of this process is that
Speaker 5: they file a suit in the local courts, the common
Speaker 5: Police Court here in Hambleton County, which they have done,
Speaker 5: and he has to be declared mister Jones has to
Speaker 5: be declared to be a wrongfully convicted or wrongfully imprisoned person.
Speaker 5: And after the county prosecutor has made a statement to
Speaker 5: that effect. I don't know how they could ever rebut
Speaker 5: that or fight against that. It seems to me he
Speaker 5: now has a glide path to go on to the
Speaker 5: next court up in Columbus.
Speaker 1: Do you did, were you able to find out who
Speaker 1: the judge is? It was not on the clerk of
Speaker 1: course website as of this morning. I mean, I'm just curious,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 5: I yeah, you know, I just looked just a few
Speaker 5: minutes ago, and we don't know. I mean, it's going
Speaker 5: through that random selection process, so it will be one
Speaker 5: of the sixteen cond of police court judges. I don't
Speaker 5: believe it has been assigned from what I can tell,
Speaker 5: so it will go to a judge. There's no jury
Speaker 5: involved at this stage, you know, it's just a pure
Speaker 5: legal determination of whether he was wrongfully convicted, where in
Speaker 5: which the prosecutor's office will be on the other side.
Speaker 5: After the prosecutor has already said that she feels he
Speaker 5: was wrongfully convicted. So I predict his chances of being
Speaker 5: declared a wrongfully convicted person are pretty good.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, when the prosecutor says that she thinks he's
Speaker 1: not guilty, and I respect what she said, I do
Speaker 1: I disagree with it. When I was prosecutor, I had
Speaker 1: a little bit of contact with the case, just in
Speaker 1: appellate matters, and I'll tell you what seemed like there
Speaker 1: was a heck of a lot there. But anyway, that's
Speaker 1: just me let me ask you this, what is the uh,
Speaker 1: what's the standards? Is it clear and convincing evidence that
Speaker 1: they have to show admy.
Speaker 2: Or do you know?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's clear and convincing evidence. I mean, you know
Speaker 5: at this point and then you know, the the u
Speaker 5: following proceedings up in Columbus are just done by a
Speaker 5: straight preponderance of the evidence, and we're outside the criminal system.
Speaker 5: I mean, these are kind of you know, these are
Speaker 5: kind of in this like kind of gray area between
Speaker 5: the typical and regular civil claim and an administrative claim.
Speaker 5: You know, whenever you you know, sue the state, you
Speaker 5: basically have to get permission to sue the state from
Speaker 5: a judge, just like kind of the they have this
Speaker 5: think of the Federal Tort Claims Act and the federal
Speaker 5: system where you know, a judge kind of has to
Speaker 5: approve your ability to sue the state. It doesn't happen
Speaker 5: every day. So yeah, there's got to be clear convincing
Speaker 5: evidence shown here that he was wrongfully convicted. So they'll
Speaker 5: put on some evidence, you know, about about why the
Speaker 5: conviction was overturned.
Speaker 4: Uh, and then you.
Speaker 5: Know, once they get over that hurdle, which under these
Speaker 5: circumstances seems very low. Then it goes up to this
Speaker 5: Court of Claims in Columbus where they make a final
Speaker 5: determination about what he will be owed.
Speaker 4: You know, under the state.
Speaker 5: Law, it's anywhere from fifty six to sixty eight thousand
Speaker 5: dollars per year you were incarcerated. And so that's where
Speaker 5: they're coming up at the one point eight million number.
Speaker 5: Now he can additionally ask for some other things on
Speaker 5: top of that. There's some payments suffering, you know, health issues,
Speaker 5: loss and consortion, things of that nature that he can
Speaker 5: still raise as to try to get that higher up. Typically,
Speaker 5: the attorneys that take these cases on I don't know
Speaker 5: what their arrangement here is, but you know, typically they
Speaker 5: bring these on a contingency basis, so they can take
Speaker 5: up to a third of the award. But still, I mean,
Speaker 5: he's looking at you know, at real money on the
Speaker 5: low end.
Speaker 4: You know, he'll be.
Speaker 5: Able to make a demand for one point eight million dollars.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I mean, it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: I did a little bit of research this morning on
Speaker 1: these things, and you're right about the sixty eight thousand.
Speaker 2: I think it's eight hundred and eight bucks. How do
Speaker 2: they arrive at that figure? Is it just something random
Speaker 2: or is there anything you know that backs that up?
Speaker 5: Well, you know, it's a it's a calculation. I mean,
Speaker 5: I think they've adjusted it many times over the years
Speaker 5: for kind of cost of living and things of that nature.
Speaker 5: You know, it's something that if I recall correctly, that
Speaker 5: they the state has used in economist to come up
Speaker 5: with is sort of like the average income of an
Speaker 5: average Ohiolan, you know, in any given time. So I
Speaker 5: think it's like tagged to the median income and then addressed,
Speaker 5: you know, adjusted for the cost of living and inflation
Speaker 5: over time. So you know, I mean, I mean, it
Speaker 5: really is. I mean there is some you know, science
Speaker 5: behind it.
Speaker 4: I suppose there's some.
Speaker 5: Analysis behind it, but it really is just kind of
Speaker 5: a made up, agreed upon number that's been approved by
Speaker 5: the state legislature and then and this will be litigated
Speaker 5: and defended by the Attorney General's office, by the way,
Speaker 5: when it gets up to Columbus, I'm kind of curious
Speaker 5: what they make of it. You know, they're going to
Speaker 5: have they're going to be somewhat limited in their ability
Speaker 5: to defend against this claim, particularly after what will likely
Speaker 5: happen here in the local courts, but this will finally
Speaker 5: bounce up to the Attorney General's office, who will then
Speaker 5: be dealing with Elwood Jones and the actual number that
Speaker 5: he gets back going forward.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know if you saw Steed.
Speaker 1: There's an interesting chart, couple interesting charts, grafts whatever on
Speaker 1: the Court of Claim's website, and it breaks down how
Speaker 1: these things I guess over the last however many years
Speaker 1: they've been doing it, it's not really that that long,
Speaker 1: but the decision on them and the ultimate outcome forty
Speaker 1: two percent, there's an order approving settlement, twenty two percent
Speaker 1: decision and judgment for plaintiff, and seventeen percent entry of
Speaker 1: dismissal and very small four percent voluntary dismissal. So you know,
Speaker 1: people have been successful up there. It sure sounds like
Speaker 1: based on that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I'm a little surprised by those numbers, because
Speaker 5: every time I've double with this that court, you know,
Speaker 5: there has been a settlement. I mean, I have represented
Speaker 5: police officers and correction officers who have been you know,
Speaker 5: sued on you know, by prisoners.
Speaker 4: You know, I just.
Speaker 5: Recently wrapped up one where an inmate was in a
Speaker 5: fight with a security guard that ended up being paralyzed
Speaker 5: and then he sued for for millions.
Speaker 4: Upon millions of dollars.
Speaker 5: And I can't, you know, disclose the settlement that was confidential.
Speaker 5: But here the Attorney General's office did did approve a
Speaker 5: settlement in this and a lot of these times, the prisoners,
Speaker 5: you know, get paid more often than not. So if
Speaker 5: you rack up the successful verdicts that they get what
Speaker 5: the settlements, you're you're probably close to two thirds of
Speaker 5: these folks get some real money.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 1: They've also got a chart on their going back to
Speaker 1: seventy six, I think that's when they started doing it
Speaker 1: this way, and the amount of money throughout the years
Speaker 1: from seventy six it only goes up to twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: You can see from the chart it's gone up substantially
Speaker 1: in two thousand and eleven up to ten million bucks.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I mean, I guess we'll just
Speaker 1: have to wait and see on that. I'm just curious.
Speaker 1: How are the judges appointed up there. Obviously they don't
Speaker 1: run for it, just a governor's appointment, or do you know.
Speaker 5: You know, my recollection is I think they are appointed
Speaker 5: by the governor of fire Recall and they are not elected.
Speaker 5: And that's one of the reasons why that the Court
Speaker 5: of Claims is something even people who practice law for
Speaker 5: years may not even know about it or encounter right.
Speaker 5: But no, they're all appointed. They're considered to be administrative judges,
Speaker 5: even though you know, the court does function more like
Speaker 5: a regular court room. Under certain circumstances, you can have
Speaker 5: a jury trial. They also deal with a lot of
Speaker 5: public records matters. These days, they have jurisdiction over public
Speaker 5: records cases that involved of state funding and a lot
Speaker 5: of and a lot of cases, so they have a
Speaker 5: lot more say than you would think. Uh, but yeah,
Speaker 5: it's all up in Columbus. All the proceedings are in Columbus.
Speaker 4: No matter where in.
Speaker 5: The state you know, the alleged issue occurred, you have
Speaker 5: to go to Columbus to deal with these and the
Speaker 5: appeals you know, kind of go through the Tenth District
Speaker 5: up in Columbus and at up to the Ohio Supreme.
Speaker 4: Court if there are if they are appealed.
Speaker 5: But I would note that the vast majority of these cases,
Speaker 5: you know, end up settling because if you get into
Speaker 5: the Court acclaims successfully, you've already kind of got a
Speaker 5: leg up that you have a claim against against the state,
Speaker 5: and so most of them, most of them do go away.
Speaker 1: I think I hear you saying, Steve Gooden. I don't
Speaker 1: want to put words in your mouth, but I think
Speaker 1: I hear you saying he is going to get some
Speaker 1: kind of a payday.
Speaker 2: Is that accurate?
Speaker 4: I would be surprised if he does not.
Speaker 5: I mean, particularly if the if the decision here in
Speaker 5: the local courts goes the way I presume it will go,
Speaker 5: which is that he which is the you know, based
Speaker 5: upon the prosecutor stance in this case, he was wrongfully convicted.
Speaker 5: If he's declared to be wrongfully convicted, he's going to
Speaker 5: go up to the Court of Claims, you know, really
Speaker 5: with you know, with what the key issue decided. So
Speaker 5: then it really is going to become more of a
Speaker 5: question about what he is entitled to, whether or not
Speaker 5: there should be a settlement, whether or not the Attorney
Speaker 5: General's office is going to dig in and fight and
Speaker 5: try to relitigate the issue of whether or not he
Speaker 5: was wrongfully convicted. But all that's going to be pretty tough.
Speaker 5: AG's office is going to be in a pretty tough space.
Speaker 5: And most of these cases, the at least the ones
Speaker 5: that I've certainly seen and been involved in, do end
Speaker 5: up with some some sort of settlement, and sometimes very
Speaker 5: generous ones.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm thinking. That's probably what's going to happen.
Speaker 1: Who would have ever thought, you know, it is what
Speaker 1: it is. I guess let me shift gears on you
Speaker 1: just for a minute. President Trump has said over the
Speaker 1: last couple of days, I think he said it two
Speaker 1: or three times today, that he's thinking about bringing in
Speaker 1: the Insurrect Act for what's going on in Minneapolis. Can
Speaker 1: you explain a little bit what that is and what
Speaker 1: it entails. I mean, I know it's federalizing the National Guard,
Speaker 1: but he can also call in the army, I mean,
Speaker 1: the regular army.
Speaker 2: Can he not?
Speaker 5: Well, it will be harder, I think, for him to
Speaker 5: call in the regular army in Minneapolis. So, I mean,
Speaker 5: you've got the Insurrection Act kind of works with the
Speaker 5: Possi Kamatatis Act. So the Posse Commatatis Act just says, look,
Speaker 5: you can't use federal troops against American citizens in domestic situations.
Speaker 5: But then there are exceptions to that, and I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, the biggest ones we've seen recently is you
Speaker 5: can use regular federal troops to protect federal office buildings,
Speaker 5: federal land and in the District of Columbia, which is
Speaker 5: just a federal territory for lack of a better term.
Speaker 5: So he has actually deployed regular troops there and you
Speaker 5: need nothing, nothing else. The stickier question becomes when you
Speaker 5: have a state situation where you want to federal the
Speaker 5: National Guard. Typically the governor agrees to that. Under our system,
Speaker 5: that's you know, if it's a natural disaster, hurricane relief efforts,
Speaker 5: or you know, widespread rioting, which we've seen a couple
Speaker 5: different times in our in our life style. As usually
Speaker 5: the governor is the one saying, mister President, you can
Speaker 5: nationalize the federalize the National Guards, and the men. To
Speaker 5: federalize the National Guard over the objection of a governor,
Speaker 5: which is the scenario I guess min Minnesota, you have
Speaker 5: to show that the Insurrection Act applies an absent and
Speaker 5: armed or rebellion or organized rebellion. That gets kind of tough.
Speaker 5: So I think if you were to federalize the National
Speaker 5: Guard into these circumstances. You know, I think it would
Speaker 5: be a you know, it just would be a massive
Speaker 5: court battle. And watching what Trump has done in the past,
Speaker 5: I think he often threatens the Insurrection Act to try
Speaker 5: to get better and more robust in for you know,
Speaker 5: enforcement and action from the local law enforcement here. So
Speaker 5: I'll be a little surprised if he goes through with it.
Speaker 5: It seems to me the thing, if he was going
Speaker 5: to do it, he would have already done it. But
Speaker 5: this one's a tougher question. There's no federal land involved
Speaker 5: that I can tell. There are federal agents. If they
Speaker 5: went this way, saying that the federal agents justified it
Speaker 5: by itself outside of the Insurrection Act, that would be
Speaker 5: a new legal position that's never been litigated to my knowledge.
Speaker 5: But you know, right now, you know, you're you're looking
Speaker 5: at a purely state you know, state matter with a
Speaker 5: governor who by all accounts is not going to uh
Speaker 5: it's still walls, so he's not going to cooperate with that.
Speaker 5: So we'll step to wait and see what happens. I'll
Speaker 5: be a little surprised if he does it. It will
Speaker 5: be a little bit of a stretch illegally. If he
Speaker 5: went that way, but sometimes the mere threat of it,
Speaker 5: I think, you know, can can provoke a different and
Speaker 5: better response from the local authorities. That that's happened several
Speaker 5: times during come second.
Speaker 2: Term, you know.
Speaker 1: And I would agree with you in a normal situation.
Speaker 1: But I think there's something wrong with Walts. I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, I really do. Just some of the things
Speaker 1: he says and what he does. I mean, he's worse
Speaker 1: than Kamala. He contradicts himself in one sentence. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but I'll get off of that just
Speaker 1: one more question.
Speaker 5: He's an odd guy. I will conceive. He does not
Speaker 5: inspire confidence.
Speaker 1: Absolutely not. Can you imagine him or even Kamala. You
Speaker 1: don't have to answer this, and let you want to
Speaker 1: in the big office there in the White House, with
Speaker 1: all of this stuff happening.
Speaker 2: All over the world. I mean, I don't know. I
Speaker 2: shudder to think.
Speaker 1: One last thing real quick, Steve, and I hope I'm
Speaker 1: not kind of catching you. By surprise, Judge Jodi Luber's, who,
Speaker 1: in my humble opinion, is a very good judge. She
Speaker 1: ruled today that there will be no death penalty in
Speaker 1: the Rodney Hinton case because I guess she made a
Speaker 1: finding that he was criminally insane. Your thoughts on that.
Speaker 1: It's very rare in Hamilton County.
Speaker 2: I think it is.
Speaker 4: You know, I was just wi that when you called,
Speaker 4: and you're right.
Speaker 5: I mean, look, you know, I I worked with with
Speaker 5: Judge Luber's back when she was a prosecutor back in
Speaker 5: the day, and I think, you know, she knows the law,
Speaker 5: and I'm with you on that. I think she's a
Speaker 5: good judge.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: And really, as I understand it, and.
Speaker 5: I've talked to a couple of lawyers involved in the case,
Speaker 5: she didn't have any choice but to take the death
Speaker 5: to the off the table at this point. I mean
Speaker 5: the state expert, Yeah, their own expert, doctor O'Donnell, who's
Speaker 5: been at this forever. You know, she apparently said, look,
Speaker 5: there's no question he has a bipolar disorder, he has
Speaker 5: schizophrenia and the impact of what he did.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 5: And when the state's expert says that, you're in a
Speaker 5: bad spot, so it doesn't mean they're not going to
Speaker 5: proceed with the with the indictment. You know, he is
Speaker 5: still facing life in prison. They did change the plead
Speaker 5: and not guilty by reason of insanity, which at least
Speaker 5: does raise the possibility of him getting out without serving
Speaker 5: life if you gets treatment in some way. But she
Speaker 5: really had her hands tied today under Ohio law. You know,
Speaker 5: once all the psychiatrists say that the person has this issue,
Speaker 5: there's really nothing that a judge can do under Ohio law.
Speaker 5: Even if she imposed the death penalty, the appellate courts
Speaker 5: would have would have struck it down because a mentally
Speaker 5: ill person just cannot be put to death under Ohigo law.
Speaker 2: Right, And it's pretty clear too. And I agree with
Speaker 2: you on all of that.
Speaker 1: Hey, really appreciate you taking time out of what is
Speaker 1: turning out to be I'm sure a busy couple of days, Steve.
Speaker 1: Really I appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Hey, Mike, any time you take care?
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you. Well, I'll tell you what that guy
Speaker 2: knows the stuff.
Speaker 1: And boy, there is just so much popping on the
Speaker 1: legal front, especially locally, some unusual cases coming up. But
Speaker 1: it is what it is, and as long as we
Speaker 1: have somebody likes Steve to kind of explain it, I
Speaker 1: think we'll be fine. Hey, we do have to take
Speaker 1: a break for the new spot. When we come back,
Speaker 1: we're going to talk Venezuela with Judd and mainly focus
Speaker 1: on what President Trump can do or will do going
Speaker 1: forward with that horribly mistreated country.
Speaker 2: And we'll do that when we get back. Mike Allen
Speaker 2: in for Willy seven hundred wlw.
Speaker 1: Hey, we're back, Mike Allen in for the Great American
Speaker 1: Willie Cunningham.
Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you, there is so much going on.
Speaker 1: In the world in this's a country, and we're all
Speaker 1: waiting to see what happens in Venezuela. I think somewhat
Speaker 1: we're in some uncharted waters here, so people are kind
Speaker 1: of waiting to see how this works out. You know,
Speaker 1: we haven't had a lot of luck with reget regime
Speaker 1: change in the past, but it sure seems like the
Speaker 1: President has his act together on that. Here to talk
Speaker 1: about it is jud Dunning. Jud wrote a really good
Speaker 1: op edp in Newsmax Trump's Doctrine for Venezuela, Transition, Justice
Speaker 1: and Order, and jud is a great guest.
Speaker 2: He's been on a number of times with me.
Speaker 1: He's a passionate and proud Los ANGELESO businessman, former entertainer,
Speaker 1: and politico all the way going back to nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 1: He's and I say. Every time I say this, I
Speaker 1: say I'm gonna get this book and read it. This
Speaker 1: time I mean it. He's the author of the New
Speaker 1: Human ex Newsmax book. I love the title thirteen and
Speaker 1: a half reasons why not to be a Liberal and
Speaker 1: how to enlighten others? Jud thanks so much for calling
Speaker 1: in this afternoon.
Speaker 6: I appreciate it. My only correction is I'm now Texan.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, I've been.
Speaker 6: A California for a one time. We go back and forth,
Speaker 6: but Texas they drove us out.
Speaker 3: They drove us out.
Speaker 6: Good to be here.
Speaker 2: You voted with your feet like a hell of a
Speaker 2: lot of other people. Jud.
Speaker 6: You know, hey, thanks, thanks my good good to be here.
Speaker 6: Thank you for your word. Sir.
Speaker 2: Uh your op ed was right on the money.
Speaker 1: Can you kind of expound on it a little bit
Speaker 1: and I'll probably have some specific question. Are you liking
Speaker 1: what you see so far and what we're only what
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks into this thing?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I am.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: Listen, America stands for freedom. We're reluctive intervention. But of
Speaker 6: course we're gonna protect ourselves strategically. That's naive to think
Speaker 6: that the whole doctor, and this whole idea that Trump
Speaker 6: King and Trump is out of control ETCA. There's been
Speaker 6: a long process under Tavis. We were you know, we
Speaker 6: were working. He took three point two million barrels to
Speaker 6: two point five, Mordureau took it down to like two.
Speaker 6: Then he has it down to seven hundred thousand barrels.
Speaker 6: I mean, the market's become so deteriorated for elitist to rise.
Speaker 6: You have a million percent inflation to those poor people hostage,
Speaker 6: you have hospital shortages of eighty percent. You've got seven
Speaker 6: point nine people who have fled that. It's a humanitarian
Speaker 6: national crisis. And we've been doing it legally, logistically, going
Speaker 6: down the line, you know, pursuing this policy for a
Speaker 6: long time. And it wasn't that Trump suddenly made some move.
Speaker 6: You know. Of course we're looking at open borders. Of
Speaker 6: course we're looking at, you know, the line of moral
Speaker 6: absolutism of stalling the flow to America while we're here.
Speaker 6: We have a different you know, nationalistic look at what
Speaker 6: law is. But we're also fighting sense and all cocaine.
Speaker 6: But the thing is, if you really understand what's going on,
Speaker 6: the narco state that has formed there with all these
Speaker 6: black gold exchanges, all the things it's going on with
Speaker 6: the oil, all the thing that's going on the drugs.
Speaker 6: They're actually fueling Columbia through all the illicit trade there.
Speaker 6: They're tied into each other. And what we're doing is
Speaker 6: we're stabilizing South America's deteriorative, destructive force on America while
Speaker 6: actually standing up with the great people of Venezuela. That's
Speaker 6: very just like Iran. This was a very prosperous origin
Speaker 6: Continian like society. And we've been doing it legally and
Speaker 6: legalistically proper for a long time. We've we've filed the
Speaker 6: proper paperwork, we've worked within the international community, we've done sanctions,
Speaker 6: we've put Maduro on call as a criminal. Everything was
Speaker 6: actually done legally. But of course when Trump does it,
Speaker 6: suddenly a monarchical crisis of the world. So, you know,
Speaker 6: I thought it was important to get the facts out
Speaker 6: of that situation. This has been going on since Chigo Chavis.
Speaker 1: You stayed a really good case in the op edge.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many things I like about it.
Speaker 1: One just a sentence then as well to transformed from
Speaker 1: an authoritarian governance into an organized criminal enterprise. Operating behind
Speaker 1: sovereignties facade. A lot of big words in there, but man,
Speaker 1: you hit the nail right on the head.
Speaker 2: I think, yeah, And this isn't.
Speaker 6: A normal transition. It's a real exposure of a state
Speaker 6: that became an organized criminal enterprise. You know, Cavis nationalized,
Speaker 6: purged the oil company. They're weaponized to all money and
Speaker 6: loyalty systems. Capacity died from the inside. I mean, there's
Speaker 6: so basically, you know, if you'll look at what we're
Speaker 6: doing with the ships and putting in a line, there's
Speaker 6: we definitely put the entire global drug cartel on Watch
Speaker 6: what I loved. I think one of the greatest things
Speaker 6: about the War Department. Once again, one of the things
Speaker 6: that Trump got right. My next book, I've got it
Speaker 6: out there. He's thirteen and a half reason of Love America.
Speaker 6: It was about the two hundred and fifty you know,
Speaker 6: years of beauty of what we have here. Now people
Speaker 6: are ashamed to sit in our greatness. But we're talking
Speaker 6: to our publishers about thirteen and a half half reasons
Speaker 6: to Love Donald Trump and how he's been the greatest
Speaker 6: president of this United States. You know, I'm going back
Speaker 6: and forth with these two proposals. They've got an option
Speaker 6: in our next book, because if you really look at
Speaker 6: it on paper, if you can get past the hyperbole,
Speaker 6: he is a he is an elegant statesman. In the following,
Speaker 6: what he'll do is he'll he'll give people a warning
Speaker 6: with an over the top negotiation. He'll ask for the moon.
Speaker 6: Like Greenland. We're not invading in Greenland, which is another Oh,
Speaker 6: we've we've invaded. You know, we haven't invaded. We've we've
Speaker 6: regulated and held accountable. Venezuela. We put everybody on watch.
Speaker 6: And here's my point. In the War Department, they've actually
Speaker 6: shown that we use sonic we use sonic weaponry. There
Speaker 6: we went in with twenty helicopters. Three hundred people passed.
Speaker 6: None of ours pass five hundred rounds a minute. The
Speaker 6: elegance and execution that were taking place the weaponry, all
Speaker 6: of the other cartels in Mexico are like, Wow, they've
Speaker 6: always out paid and outgunned America. We just blew everybody away.
Speaker 6: The example to let people know that we have the most,
Speaker 6: you know, the most technically advanced military was also another
Speaker 6: great message. Yes I'll tell you something. Sorry to talk
Speaker 6: too long, but one we lost the family member to
Speaker 6: fence and all, you know, and there is a war
Speaker 6: on this country. I'm over thirty years. I had a
Speaker 6: good I'm going to another memorial on Friday. This is
Speaker 6: not a drug with weak people. There is a poison
Speaker 6: flowing into our borders, and people are still dying left
Speaker 6: and right, and in Texas, thank god, they're making it.
Speaker 3: You know, if you.
Speaker 6: Death by distribution, if you even touch fen and all,
Speaker 6: it's murder. And they are flooding our country with the
Speaker 6: most dangerous drug ever. So it's a serious time. And
Speaker 6: I think we're sending a message to the cartels, not
Speaker 6: on our time, not with Trump at the helm.
Speaker 2: Jud you hit the nail on the head there too, buddy.
Speaker 2: I mean.
Speaker 1: I spent fifty one years in the criminal justice system,
Speaker 1: twenty the last twenty. I'm retired now, thank god, as
Speaker 1: a criminal defense lawyer, thank you. I mean, and I
Speaker 1: see it all the time, and it's mainly fentanyl, but
Speaker 1: also cocaine. I had three clients I might have told
Speaker 1: you this already, three clients in one year die from
Speaker 1: fentanyl over doses. And these weren't we know, like street
Speaker 1: corner drug users. They were like middle class, solid people,
Speaker 1: but for the addiction. And I don't think people appreciate
Speaker 1: that when they start complaining about what Trump's doing blowing
Speaker 1: up the boats. You know, let's see what you say
Speaker 1: when it happens to one of your family members.
Speaker 2: I think it's great what he's doing with that.
Speaker 1: And you know what, every president since rich Richard Nixon
Speaker 1: has said, we're gonna get tough on drugs, We're gonna
Speaker 1: give you this, and he's the only one that's ever
Speaker 1: really done anything.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I can't write about it because I'm in
Speaker 6: two court cases, but I can't talk about on the radio.
Speaker 6: It's kind of hard to track. But I just put
Speaker 6: somebody somebody. I got somebody they fled in the country.
Speaker 6: I sent somebody in behind somebody. I got people back
Speaker 6: to the United States thirty years, twelve counts of drug
Speaker 6: related West LA sex trafficking and drug pedaling. And I'm
Speaker 6: putting someone away. Turns out they're illegal immigrant going after
Speaker 6: somebody else for another twelve million bucks. I mean, I
Speaker 6: have a you know, when politics get personal. I was
Speaker 6: on the radio and KM eight am seven ninety and
Speaker 6: I remember there there was a guy saying, hey, you know,
Speaker 6: the borders numbers are x under Biden. And actually remember
Speaker 6: Obama was we're balanced people, right, we're rationalist conservatives. Obama
Speaker 6: was a deporter in chief. He was too badly three million.
Speaker 3: Peter.
Speaker 6: Jaden's policy was he.
Speaker 3: Was doing.
Speaker 6: He was doing pretty good. Biden's like cultural Marxist change
Speaker 6: of our our demographic was insane. And when we watch
Speaker 6: those numbers go up, it's like four hundred percent. Centinel
Speaker 6: went up in LA four hundred percent. And then I watched,
Speaker 6: because I'm in the program very active. I say, I've
Speaker 6: been sober since eighty seven, but I stayed a service
Speaker 6: family and in that thank you sir, and in that movement,
Speaker 6: I have seen just death after death after death, just exponentially.
Speaker 6: It's not a joke. It's interesting though. I did do
Speaker 6: some research on it. Some of the Biden era anti
Speaker 6: Chinese policies where they started governoring themselves, did start to
Speaker 6: slow down the war in America from China. But the
Speaker 6: other countries are they're profit driven, They're not an ideology driven.
Speaker 6: It's dark stuff. So I think Venezuela was just a
Speaker 6: it's uncomfortable, right, we don't when we stand for freedom,
Speaker 6: we take on the and I think this is the thing.
Speaker 6: What's the playbook. Afghanistan was a nightmare, Yetnam we won
Speaker 6: and we reversed it was a nightmare. Right we have Iraq.
Speaker 6: We didn't grab the populist property. With enough strategy, America
Speaker 6: does have the ability to do a transitional government to
Speaker 6: support Dels Rodriguez, whoever we're gonna end up with and
Speaker 6: return people to freedom. Now, what's the exchange. You do
Speaker 6: leave a base behind, you do get grain security. You
Speaker 6: don't do it for that, But it's an investment. You're
Speaker 6: going to spend billions of dollars and we get, you know,
Speaker 6: more protection to freedom in the world. And we have
Speaker 6: to say, like, yeah, you know what, we do know better.
Speaker 6: We do know better than China, we do know better
Speaker 6: than Russia, we do know better than the Pan Islamic States.
Speaker 6: We stand for something that's a little bit more special.
Speaker 1: Well, and you mentioned this too, And I don't think
Speaker 1: people realize the importance of this.
Speaker 2: The checkmate of Red China.
Speaker 1: The Wall Street Journal today, if you get a chance,
Speaker 1: there is a really good article about that. And apparently
Speaker 1: they don't know what hit him, the Chinese because nobody
Speaker 1: thought Trump would do this.
Speaker 2: It's so important to have.
Speaker 1: That part of that southern hemisphere be China and Russia free.
Speaker 1: You know, can you and Joe Biden you ever hear
Speaker 1: a word come out of his mouth about that? Nothing,
Speaker 1: no forward thinking whatsoever. I don't think he was capable
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 6: I guess Look, I get up in the morning. I'm
Speaker 6: sure a lot of us do. Since truck came in,
Speaker 6: I said, I know, under work fifty five hours. I
Speaker 6: probably works seventy.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 6: I mean that guy, if he's gonna work that hard
Speaker 6: for us, I'm gonna work that hard for us. I
Speaker 6: mean that's you know, presidents, parents, pastors, and police, the
Speaker 6: structure of society, and right now, everybody wants to make
Speaker 6: this guy the enemy because he's proactive, he's bold, he's bombastic.
Speaker 6: Well so is Paul Revere, right, so is Sam Adams.
Speaker 6: We were rough and tumble guys in bars that just said, hey,
Speaker 6: we can't take this anymore. All that started in the pubs, right,
Speaker 6: I mean, our spirit is proud, patriotsic, rough and tumble,
Speaker 6: and he negotiates strong and backs off to reality with
Speaker 6: you know, by hiring the right people. There's no way
Speaker 6: one person could do everything he does. He has a
Speaker 6: good you know, he's a good cast of people. He
Speaker 6: knows how to use people. That I heard something I
Speaker 6: was in a I was in the film industry back
Speaker 6: in the day, and they said, you know, a great
Speaker 6: executive has no paperwork on his desk because he knows
Speaker 6: how to hire the right people, right, And I think
Speaker 6: that's what America is seeing. We're seeing the lot city
Speaker 6: of execution, and we're not used to it. The left
Speaker 6: would rather, you know, keep us in paperwork and you know,
Speaker 6: the corporatism of bills that are just killing us with
Speaker 6: inflation and making the elites rise to the top. And
Speaker 6: I don't think that's happening right now. Last thing on
Speaker 6: the on Venezuela. I mean, there's some interesting stuff going
Speaker 6: on right now with Russia. They're posturing about, you know,
Speaker 6: putting submarines out there to protect their paper tiger. Though
Speaker 6: we definitely are dominant, you know. I think the thing
Speaker 6: that the article I want to address was, you know,
Speaker 6: what's the example to the world about with Russia and Ukraine,
Speaker 6: China and Taiwan. This is not post colonial imperialism NOP.
Speaker 6: This is standing for freedom. And this stuff about Greenland
Speaker 6: all in fear right now, just hold on for a second.
Speaker 6: Don't buy into that either. We did it legally there.
Speaker 6: We have a base in Greenland, and we're there's no
Speaker 6: way we're taking over a country and going to war
Speaker 6: with NATO. We're playing chess. We're playing chess. And people
Speaker 6: have to stay educated. And that's what I try to
Speaker 6: do in this article, is like, look at the facts
Speaker 6: of Venezuela, look at the facts of Greenland, look at
Speaker 6: the facts of Mexico. Most of it is long form
Speaker 6: stuff that existed before Trump was in office. It's just
Speaker 6: policy execution that was stalled.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you what I mean. I wake up
Speaker 1: in the morning and read the newspaper, watch news, and
Speaker 1: it's like, damn, it's great to be an American. In
Speaker 1: many ways, we are back on the world stage. We're
Speaker 1: not a joke anymore. I mean, Trump says he's gonna
Speaker 1: do something, he does it. We got about two minutes
Speaker 1: here left, jud and I hope you don't mind me
Speaker 1: doing this.
Speaker 2: But look in your crystal ball.
Speaker 1: Let's just say, five maybe ten years down the road,
Speaker 1: what do you see Venezuela looking like.
Speaker 6: Well, it's interesting. I mean, it's gonna be slow transitional change.
Speaker 6: It's difficult. I mean, they're already talking about you know
Speaker 6: already it's far from perfect. You know, it's gonna be
Speaker 6: a far from perfect structure. But I think the pet
Speaker 6: the pet the pd DSA, the petro companies there, it's
Speaker 6: gonna take time to clean them up, right, It's gonna
Speaker 6: take time to put an infrastructure. We're gonna have to decide,
Speaker 6: you know, how much of this that we're willing to
Speaker 6: pay for. And look, you know, you don't pull back
Speaker 6: like America has to know. It's an investment. But you know,
Speaker 6: it's funny because the left is Kynesian, right, they'll just
Speaker 6: grow government and Canesian spending works. It does stimulate the
Speaker 6: economy in supply side. Lower taxation works, which is where
Speaker 6: we're at now. But you know, a balance of investment
Speaker 6: in the world stage. Listen. I think we're gonna see
Speaker 6: a more stable South America. I think that we're gonna
Speaker 6: see a destabilization of five years in Mexico. It's I mean, this,
Speaker 6: this is me and I don't want to my wife's
Speaker 6: have Mexican I go. I've been in Mexico thirty times.
Speaker 6: I love it. I think they are other Americans. I
Speaker 6: love them. You know, they're such hard working, great people.
Speaker 6: I wish that Biden hadn't flooded our nation so deeply
Speaker 6: with people from you know, below, from the South, because
Speaker 6: I wish we'd had time to do panels in every
Speaker 6: city with referrals and remove people one by one, but
Speaker 6: the Left took that from us. I think we're gonna
Speaker 6: see Venezuela as in lynch Pin an example, and I
Speaker 6: think we're gonna have to We're gonna take on Mexico
Speaker 6: and we're gonna see some different alliances form in that region.
Speaker 6: It's gonna take time, it's gonna take patients, and it's
Speaker 6: gonna hopefully we need to win that next election to
Speaker 6: the right. We definitively need, hopefully a Rubio or advance
Speaker 6: so we can continue the policy. If the policy flips
Speaker 6: over to the left, well they can do what they.
Speaker 3: Can do in Vietnam.
Speaker 6: They can flip it over.
Speaker 2: We can lose it.
Speaker 6: So, you know, hopefully America continues a rational path for
Speaker 6: stability for Venezuela.
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Speaker 2: There you go. College basketball.
Speaker 7: Last night, Mike, let's see, Cincinnati was up and by
Speaker 7: much as twenty one and never trailed, knocking off Colorado
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Speaker 7: first Big twelve win of the season. One and three
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Speaker 7: yesterday last night, Trey Carroll twenty nine points, Zager beat
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Speaker 7: and Sean Miller upset tenth rated Vanderbilt last night. So
Speaker 7: now just three teams left in the college ranks undefeated
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Speaker 2: Arizona and Nebraska YEP.
Speaker 7: Tonight College action Detroit Mercy up against NKU at six
Speaker 7: thirty on ESPN fifteen thirty. Uh, there's NFL news apparently.
Speaker 7: I guess John Harball is headed off to the New
Speaker 7: York Giants and a one reported one hundred million dollars deep.
Speaker 2: Oh geez, nice work if you can get it. Hey, Huh.
Speaker 7: I guess they want they want to coach, and you're
Speaker 7: gonna have to pay for it.
Speaker 2: So what's Tomlin gonna do.
Speaker 7: Uh, probably, I don't think he's gonna coach this year
Speaker 7: this coming season. Probably go to tv S. That's I'm
Speaker 7: so Reds Fest Tomorrow. Don't forget Tomorrow and Saturday. It's
Speaker 7: a Convention Center. Show runs tomorrow three to ten thirty
Speaker 7: pm and then eleven am to six thirty on Saturday.
Speaker 7: And uh, let's see, there's gonna be current players there,
Speaker 7: former players, gonna be all kind of events, a convention center.
Speaker 7: Apparently the Convention Center is beautiful with the new renovations
Speaker 7: that they made.
Speaker 2: So it's Red's Fest.
Speaker 7: It's the first event in that And also speaking of
Speaker 7: the Reds, they have signed the number six ranked international
Speaker 7: prospect on Hell Nunez Junior out of the Dominican Republic
Speaker 7: for three million dollars. He's sixteen years old, hit three
Speaker 7: point fifty with nine stolen bases at the U fifteen World.
Speaker 2: Cup and got has he got any power?
Speaker 7: They said, he's the above average arm, average, advanced play, approach, strong,
Speaker 7: back to ball skills all we know about him, So
Speaker 7: we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: He's got to get to he's got to get the
Speaker 2: Great American Ballpark.
Speaker 7: There you go, let's see FC Cincinnati with a couple
Speaker 7: of moves. H they have loan goalkeeper Paul Walters UH
Speaker 7: to a to a team in Ireland for the rest
Speaker 7: of the season, so he's austing. And also FC has
Speaker 7: acquired Brian Ramirez from Ecuador and from an Ecuadorian league
Speaker 7: and he's twenty five years old, so he gets a
Speaker 7: visa come in for the UH. He's a contract through
Speaker 7: twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Nine, so there you go.
Speaker 7: And then also Monday, of course Martin Luther King Day,
Speaker 7: but don't forget elite teams are gonna tip off in
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Speaker 7: the Centas Center Monday. The schedule is at noon Lakota
Speaker 7: West and Hamilton. That'll be following one forty five Ryle
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Speaker 7: The Midies go out into three point thirty and then
Speaker 7: Saint X and Covecath at five point fifteen. You can
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Speaker 1: There you go, there you go, Hey, you'd God of
Speaker 1: darn it, seg Man, that's all right.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I do that.
Speaker 1: We talked a little bit before we went on the
Speaker 1: air about pitchers and catchers reporting February of the ninth,
Speaker 1: If my elder math is correct, that's only twenty five days.
Speaker 1: And but when you get weather like this, and that's
Speaker 1: what I think of, amen, it ain't that far away, right,
Speaker 1: and then Reds Fest will give you a little the
Speaker 1: little taste of things, yep, baseball wise, because you'll get
Speaker 1: to see your heroes all in red the current team's
Speaker 1: going to be their alumni, broadcasters, coaches, manager Terry Francona,
Speaker 1: and more so you get a little taste of baseball
Speaker 1: suming up here in the middle of January.
Speaker 2: So that's the way.
Speaker 7: That's the way it was when it the Reds Fest
Speaker 7: was in December, because they gave you that. That was
Speaker 7: that little well, I guess respite between the end of
Speaker 7: the season Reds Fest, and then right around the corner
Speaker 7: was the Caravan. But they're not doing the caravan this
Speaker 7: year because of the Convention Center. They're the first event
Speaker 7: obviously as pretty the Convention Center, so they would have
Speaker 7: been on the I think they would have been on
Speaker 7: the caravan now, but that that was replaced by Reds Fest.
Speaker 7: The caravan is going to come back next year. But
Speaker 7: I think it it's going to give fans this weekend
Speaker 7: little taste of Hey, baseball's right around the corner.
Speaker 2: There, you don't worry about it.
Speaker 1: Hey, let me ask you, do you think they helped
Speaker 1: themselves in the offseason. I mean, they've got a lot
Speaker 1: of players that.
Speaker 7: Came in, but I still don't see, well the bullpen
Speaker 7: bullpen yet. But I'm thinking that bullpen has been worked on.
Speaker 7: But uh, they really haven't done anything so far with
Speaker 7: the offense. But they still have some time. So uh,
Speaker 7: you know, we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens,
Speaker 7: see what happens, and with with you know, with anybody,
Speaker 7: anybody that might be out there. There's a few, there's
Speaker 7: some guys still out there. Ahuenio Suarez, there's still available.
Speaker 7: Reese uh Hoskins first baseman, he was for the he
Speaker 7: was with the Phillies and with the Brewers. He's a
Speaker 7: he's a good power bat.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 7: So, I don't know, we'll see what happens. Any chance
Speaker 7: Ahuanio comes back here. I don't know if if the
Speaker 7: money's right, they go anywhere. That's true, believe me, If
Speaker 7: the money's right, and I mean, he was a beloved
Speaker 7: player here. I know he knows, he knows what's going on,
Speaker 7: but uh, you know, it all comes down to uh
Speaker 7: whether you know, I mean, he gets a taste of winning,
Speaker 7: and I know, I'm you know, they they only made
Speaker 7: the playoffs last year, but look at Kyle Schwarber. He
Speaker 7: stayed with the Phillies because they've been they've been a
Speaker 7: winner in the past, and I didn't want to go anywhere.
Speaker 7: So if they would have gotten Kyle Schwarber, they would
Speaker 7: have been I think in.
Speaker 1: Business, I let me ask you, do you think we
Speaker 1: really came that close?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 7: I mean, they they gave him an offer, and uh
Speaker 7: but I think that, you know, I mean, he he
Speaker 7: I think he kind of figured out that you know, hey,
Speaker 7: Philadelphia's Philadelphia's Philadelphia and they got a good team. And
Speaker 7: but he would have been a beloved figure here. Honestly,
Speaker 7: you know, I think that you know, they they they
Speaker 7: offered him the money, and you know, the Phillies stepped
Speaker 7: up and he's there. So I got you, man, That's
Speaker 7: the way it is. We'll see. So that's about it, Okay,
Speaker 7: seg thank you all. Right, Mike, very much, appreciate it.
Speaker 7: You got it, Mike, And in honor of a nice
Speaker 7: day here in the tri State, we leave you with
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Speaker 2: Thank you welcome, You're welcome.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what he said, say it a
Speaker 1: little bit, all right, thank you so much, Yes, sir man.
Speaker 2: All right, we're going to take a break, but we
Speaker 2: will be back.
Speaker 1: Mike Allen in for the Great American seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 1: They we're back, Mike Allen in for Bill Cunningham. Tell
Speaker 1: you what got the TV? Turned on the Fox and
Speaker 1: they are in Minneapolis live and it looks like that
Speaker 1: you know what is going to hit the fan pretty soon.
Speaker 1: Just let me describe the scene for you those of
Speaker 1: you that can't get to a TV. They have lines
Speaker 1: of federal police officers. They're all wearing black uniforms. They
Speaker 1: have masks on, you know, the protective masks. These people
Speaker 1: are like right up in their face and I'm sure
Speaker 1: if those masks weren't there, they would be doing some
Speaker 1: spitting on the officers.
Speaker 2: It's just unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And there's one person literally I'm not making this up
Speaker 1: and not exaggerating dressed in a clown outfit, which I
Speaker 1: think is appropriate, a full blown clown outfit with you know,
Speaker 1: with the multi colored hair and the clown outfit, and
Speaker 1: the dude is carrying a sign. The sign says nothing.
Speaker 1: It is a hand giving the middle finger, but it's
Speaker 1: upside down. Now, I guess that's supposed to mean something
Speaker 1: to them. And then you got a couple a holes
Speaker 1: walking around with the American flag upside down.
Speaker 2: Now that is.
Speaker 1: A sign of distress or something like that.
Speaker 2: You know what in this country is distressed. And if
Speaker 2: all of.
Speaker 1: Them would just get on a slow boat to China,
Speaker 1: we would not be as distressed. I have to tell you,
Speaker 1: I get the First Amendment. I think we have to
Speaker 1: make sure we protect There's that idiot clown with the finger.
Speaker 1: I gotta find out what that means. But you know,
Speaker 1: I get the First Amendment is important. But the hell
Speaker 1: with these people? I am sick and tired of it.
Speaker 1: Don't they have jobs? I mean really, it's the same
Speaker 1: ones you see over and over, and I don't think
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have time to get to it today.
Speaker 2: I probably will Saturday.
Speaker 1: There is now a congressional committee looking into who's funded Oh, shoot,
Speaker 1: there's a big fight. Somebody's beaten somebody over the head
Speaker 1: with them. No, this is two civilians going at it.
Speaker 1: I guess maybe one of them is a real American
Speaker 1: who's had about enough too. So it's look, you know
Speaker 1: what's already hitting a fan there. I would not be
Speaker 1: surprised at all if tonight Trump doesn't say enough enough.
Speaker 1: President George H. W. Bush did this, called out the
Speaker 1: federalized the National Guard during the Rodney King riots. This
Speaker 1: isn't that bad yet. But Trump, excuse the pun, I
Speaker 1: mean nothing by it. He's got a pretty quick trigger
Speaker 1: finger on this stuff. So we'll have to see tonight
Speaker 1: what happens. But it's just I get it. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm an American. We're all about peaceful protests and all this,
Speaker 1: but you get to the point where, come on, people,
Speaker 1: you've made your point. You've hurt your cause with most
Speaker 1: of the people in the country. Now, all the gang
Speaker 1: down at Starbucks, I'm sure while they're sipping their Frapatucci's
Speaker 1: talking about it. You know, they're a big deal there.
Speaker 1: But the rest of the country hates you and they
Speaker 1: are sick of you. But Professor did a good job.
Speaker 1: I suppose polluting your minds, which actually now starts in
Speaker 1: grade school unfortunately, and goes through high school certainly not
Speaker 1: might Beloved Elder High or Saint Excerpt, any GCL school
Speaker 1: like that. It just as an American who loves his country,
Speaker 1: this makes me angry.
Speaker 2: Enough is enough? Those officers there are enforcing the law.
Speaker 1: Not only is it their job to do it, it
Speaker 1: is their sworn duty to do their job. And if
Speaker 1: Joe Biden wouldn't have let in twenty million people into
Speaker 1: this country, it wouldn't be a problem. Donald Trump, about
Speaker 1: two months into office, stopped the people coming across the
Speaker 1: border cold and it really didn't seem like it was
Speaker 1: that difficult to do. You know, we're gonna be paying
Speaker 1: for this. We're gonna be paying for this for years.
Speaker 1: It just I probably ought to have turned it off or
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a heart attact. But if any thing happens,
Speaker 1: I want to make sure I can let all of
Speaker 1: you know. But well, I'll tell you what. Those Ice
Speaker 1: agents in their black uniforms, they look somewhat intimidating. I've
Speaker 1: got no problem with that. But they're wearing masks because
Speaker 1: if they don't, well, Number one they can find their
Speaker 1: identities and dos them. That's happened before, so I'll keep
Speaker 1: you posted on all of this. Hey, we got to
Speaker 1: take a break, but when we get back, and we
Speaker 1: just talked to him a couple of days ago, but
Speaker 1: I want to talk to him again. Christopher Smithman the
Speaker 1: City of Cincinnati talking about this nonsense through Cincinnati City Council.
Speaker 1: They are going to vote coming up soon to say
Speaker 1: that they are with all these jokers up in Minnesota, Minneapolis,
Speaker 1: and what the hell's that got to do with the
Speaker 1: city of Cincinnati. Going to talk to Christopher about that
Speaker 1: and other things. We'll do that when we get back.
Speaker 1: Mike Allen's seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: Two eight News.
Speaker 1: Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen in for Willie Cunningham today.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what as I said before, I'm watching Fox.
Speaker 1: They're live in Minneapolis, and the cops moved in more accurately,
Speaker 1: the ice officers, uniformed ice officers moved in, dispersed a
Speaker 1: little bit, but people are still hanging around in their face.
Speaker 1: These cops deserve a metal and more money for putting
Speaker 1: up with this. And guess what, we have a legislative
Speaker 1: body in this town who wants to say that they
Speaker 1: support all of this crap anyway, here to talk about
Speaker 1: it is former vice mayor of the City of Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: former chair of the Law and Public Safety Committee, Christopher Christopher,
Speaker 1: thanks so much for joining us.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me. I am I'm disappointed in the
Speaker 3: mayor and the Vice mayor, and you know, any member
Speaker 3: of council who's you know, for passing resolutions saying that
Speaker 3: they don't support our federal officers out here, Ice officers
Speaker 3: who you know, by the way, you know, have right
Speaker 3: now the the toughest job in the country trying to
Speaker 3: enforce our immigration laws and and all of the lies
Speaker 3: that are being told. So I just want to want
Speaker 3: to share one of the big ones, Mike. The federal
Speaker 3: ice officers are focused on criminals, and anybody who says
Speaker 3: anything different they are lying, period. So when you look
Speaker 3: at disproportionately the number of people that they're focusing on
Speaker 3: are people who who have raped Americans, drivers who killed Americans,
Speaker 3: people who have robbed Americans, right, people who are engaged
Speaker 3: in human trafficking, you know, gang members with guns like
Speaker 3: they are going after the worst of the worst. And
Speaker 3: so to see people out saying they don't want those
Speaker 3: people expelled from our country by somebody coming into my house.
Speaker 3: Mike and I prepare a dinner, right and they come
Speaker 3: in and they're just disrupting my entire dinner. I don't
Speaker 3: have the right to expel them from my home. You know,
Speaker 3: coming to America is a privilege. And so Number one,
Speaker 3: the people that are here, Mike that Ice is dealing with,
Speaker 3: they are the worst of the worst. Number Two, I
Speaker 3: want to say, the president that deported the most yeah
Speaker 3: illegal immigrants in the history of the United States of
Speaker 3: America was President Barack Obama.
Speaker 2: Six million, six million.
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't I say that it makes Democrats mad, Like
Speaker 3: that's a fact pattern Like President Barack Obama did not
Speaker 3: play when it came to expelling people who came to
Speaker 3: the country illegally. Period. It's not President Trump's He can't
Speaker 3: get rid of ten million people that came across the border,
Speaker 3: so he's focused. Their teams are laser focused on those
Speaker 3: who would kill a lake and Riley, Yes, right, they're
Speaker 3: focused in on the worst of the worst. And I
Speaker 3: just don't understand why this is why this is not
Speaker 3: bipartisan Democrats, Republicans, independent everybody think good a gang member
Speaker 3: from Venezuela in our country is bad for the United
Speaker 3: States of America who did not come through the proper process.
Speaker 3: Number two, once they violated American kill, an American drunk
Speaker 3: driving kill, a family in a van, why are we
Speaker 3: arguing that they should be expelled from the United States
Speaker 3: of America.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 1: I scratched my head on that too, Christopher, And I
Speaker 1: honestly think, and I'm watching it play out here, I
Speaker 1: think people have had about enough of this crap.
Speaker 2: I really do.
Speaker 1: In their faces, the officers are wearing masks, not you know,
Speaker 1: surgical mask, but an actual mask over their face.
Speaker 2: And I know why, for two reasons.
Speaker 1: They don't want their identity out there, because they'll get docs.
Speaker 1: That's happened a lot before. Number two, they'll just spit
Speaker 1: on them. It just it makes me sick. There's somebody here, Christopher,
Speaker 1: it's almost humorous, literally dressed in a clown uniform with
Speaker 1: the clown makeup and hair, carrying a sign with the
Speaker 1: middle finger upside down. Now you know, I guess he
Speaker 1: can explain what the hell that's supposed to mean. But
Speaker 1: it's just I've had enough. I know that and then
Speaker 1: they had insult to injury. As you say, this is
Speaker 1: in the inquired yesterday, maybe today Cincinnati Council to vote
Speaker 1: on resolution condemning ice killing.
Speaker 2: Now what do they know about it?
Speaker 1: And by the way, yesterday you might have seen it,
Speaker 1: and I'll shut up here in a minute.
Speaker 2: You might have seen it.
Speaker 1: That officer went the officer that was hit by the
Speaker 1: car a week or so ago, he went to the hospital.
Speaker 1: He had some serious, some fairly serious injuries. But our
Speaker 1: city council, with all the problems in the city of Cincinnati,
Speaker 1: this is what they want to work on. So many
Speaker 1: times during this year, Christopher Smithman, and all years that
Speaker 1: I've been talking to you, you have said that how
Speaker 1: much you are against a legislative body of municipality weighing
Speaker 1: in on a federal issue that they have nothing to
Speaker 1: do with.
Speaker 3: That is absolutely the truth. Charter the Charter Committee should
Speaker 3: be out right now, yep, taking a position because this
Speaker 3: is at their core, this is not good government. But
Speaker 3: let me also just play politics with it, okay, okay.
Speaker 3: So not only are they passing a resolution that has
Speaker 3: nothing to do with them, okay, and they don't even
Speaker 3: have a fact pattern to know with what they're saying
Speaker 3: is true. They do, but they're not even doing a
Speaker 3: good job at what they're supposed to be focused on.
Speaker 3: That's number two and number three. Where's the resolution on
Speaker 3: the girl who was eleven, who was murdered on that
Speaker 3: playground two weeks ago?
Speaker 2: Amen?
Speaker 3: Where's that? Where's the resolution saying I condemn violence that
Speaker 3: they hit and father who ran over that. That's your business, now,
Speaker 3: that's your constituent. He killed a sheriff while in the
Speaker 3: city of Cincinnati at a University of Cincinnati graduation. Where's
Speaker 3: that resolution saying I condemn that behavior? See when it's
Speaker 3: right at home, Mike Allen, they don't have resolutions that
Speaker 3: deal with the business. If you're gonna pass something, you
Speaker 3: would think, oh, man, we're gonna condemn a person who
Speaker 3: took their car and ran over a sheriff who is
Speaker 3: out directing traffic. No, because we have a council. Bottom line,
Speaker 3: they don't like cops. They don't like they don't like
Speaker 3: FBI agents, they don't like the DEEA. They don't even
Speaker 3: like their local police department, which is why it's difficult
Speaker 3: for us to recruit and retain officers. That's why our
Speaker 3: police officers who are in drop, two years in to drop,
Speaker 3: three years into drop, they could stay eight years in
Speaker 3: the drop, and they are leaving in drove because they
Speaker 3: are tired of councils like this, mayors like this who
Speaker 3: are passing resolutions that are absolutely anti police, anti cop,
Speaker 3: anti FBI agent at, anti law and order. And Mike Allen, look,
Speaker 3: elections have consequences. Let me call out the inquirer, Mike Allen,
Speaker 3: because they kept running the ad that said Corey Bowman
Speaker 3: jd Vance's brother. What did that have to do with anything?
Speaker 3: They were in the can for the current mayor and
Speaker 3: they put their finger on the scale. They didn't have
Speaker 3: to keep saying over and over and over again that
Speaker 3: Corey Bowman was the brother of the current Vice President
Speaker 3: of the United States of America. But by the way,
Speaker 3: I just want to tell every voter in Cincinnati if
Speaker 3: we had a brother, would not that be good for
Speaker 3: the city of Cincinnati. That we have a direct connection
Speaker 3: to the white out meaning we don't even understand basic politics.
Speaker 3: Do like I'm going, well, that would be the person
Speaker 3: I'd want sitting in that chair because that person can
Speaker 3: call the Vice president and say we need to get
Speaker 3: the Western Hills by the we got to get something
Speaker 3: fixed down here. We need some federal dollars. Can you
Speaker 3: help us out. I don't get our politics in Cincinnati
Speaker 3: like we cut off our nose despite our faith. At
Speaker 3: the end of the day, this mayor and the vice
Speaker 3: mayor and all members of council are playing politics because
Speaker 3: they are now positioning themselves, meaning jam Michelle Kearney is
Speaker 3: positioning herself to run for mayor, Mayor Pureval is positioning
Speaker 3: himself to run for Congress, run for governor, run for senator.
Speaker 3: And they're trying to signal to their base. Guess what,
Speaker 3: at the detriment of cops, law enforcement, law and order,
Speaker 3: our safe, their own political careers. That's what they're doing.
Speaker 4: Well.
Speaker 1: And you know what, I singled out last week for
Speaker 1: praise a couple of city councilmen who came out strongly
Speaker 1: about giving the Hint and family any money, Seth Walsh
Speaker 1: and Jeff Kramerding. And I thought that was a profile
Speaker 1: encourage for those two guys. I really did. I'm surprised
Speaker 1: that they're a part of it, but you know what,
Speaker 1: do I know? But I was disappointed in that.
Speaker 3: Look this right now, the blue dog Democrats, the Charlie Lukins,
Speaker 3: the Tom Lukens of the world, the John Cranley's of
Speaker 3: the world. Their party has been hijacked by this lack
Speaker 3: of common sense. Let's defund the police. Let's reimagine the police.
Speaker 3: Let's hire Irish Rowlie. They are six hundred and fifty
Speaker 3: thousand dollars and nobody knows really what she's doing or
Speaker 3: what the ROI is on what she's delivering to our
Speaker 3: city with my money. They're taking my money out of
Speaker 3: my check and they're sending it down there. My point
Speaker 3: to everybody listening is the election we just had has consequences,
Speaker 3: and so when you look at the fifty two neighborhoods,
Speaker 3: they overwhelmingly voted for this. So maybe they love it
Speaker 3: as as you know, as you say, if you love it,
Speaker 3: I like it. I mean, this is the insanity of
Speaker 3: what we're dealing with, Mike Allen, where a council will
Speaker 3: go down in the middle of something that they have
Speaker 3: nothing to do with, nothing to do with, say, we're
Speaker 3: going to pass a resolution on by the way, an
Speaker 3: officer who was about to be run over by car
Speaker 3: and took out his weapon. Now I'm not talking about
Speaker 3: the videos where you see someone on the side. I'm
Speaker 3: feel with the video that I've seen where the officer
Speaker 3: is in the front of that vehicle, it is not
Speaker 3: a slam dunk to say, oh man, hey, this officer
Speaker 3: didn't have the right to pull their weapon. So in
Speaker 3: this case, here's what I want you to hear, Mike
Speaker 3: Allen into a listening audience. If this is what they're
Speaker 3: doing to ice ages. So I'm talking about our council
Speaker 3: and our mayor. They're signaling to every police officer in Cincinnati,
Speaker 3: we will throw you under the busy yep.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. When the two council members I mentioned I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna mention it again, they came out strong and
Speaker 1: one of them, I forget which one said specifically, you know,
Speaker 1: we don't want to do this because we don't want
Speaker 1: to rub it in the cops face.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It is two different issues, but it just kind of
Speaker 1: surprised me talking about spending city money. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you saw, Christopher, it was in the inquiry this morning.
Speaker 1: City agrees to one point four to five million settlement
Speaker 1: with family of kwandavi Or Hicks that was an officer
Speaker 1: involved shooting from back in twenty fifteen where the officer
Speaker 1: was cleared seven ways from Sunday. Now it's not the
Speaker 1: eight million that they're talking about with him, but I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, it's a smaller amount, but I
Speaker 1: still think it sends wrong message.
Speaker 3: Twelve in the box, Yeah, why not in the box? Attorney, Yeah,
Speaker 3: in the box.
Speaker 2: That's what I mean.
Speaker 3: All we gotta do is say, hey, let's bring some
Speaker 3: voters together, some people who are going to be jurors.
Speaker 3: Let them hear the case, let them decide the case.
Speaker 3: And you have these activists, prosecutors, activists, judges, activist members
Speaker 3: of council playing with our money. Meaning if if Judge
Speaker 3: Barrett said listen, I don't really see something here, it
Speaker 3: went to a higher court that came back to Judge Bartt.
Speaker 3: Judge bart said, I still don't see anything here. Let's
Speaker 3: have a trial. Let's put twelve people in the box
Speaker 3: and let them decide. Why do we keep giving money
Speaker 3: to people who have guns pointing them at officers. By
Speaker 3: the way, nine to one one calls were made, those
Speaker 3: officers were called to that scene, Mike Allan, they didn't
Speaker 3: just stumble upon it. I bet you there's case law
Speaker 3: out there that says if I see somebody robbing a
Speaker 3: bank and they run into an apartment, I can chase
Speaker 3: after them.
Speaker 2: They can I see them.
Speaker 3: So I'm just trying to figure out. I don't know
Speaker 3: all the circumstances of this case, but something tells me
Speaker 3: that twelve in the box would say, man gun pointed
Speaker 3: that officer. We're not gonna give somebody one point four million.
Speaker 3: What we have is we have an activist counsel and
Speaker 3: an activist mayor. They believe in criminal justice reparations. Right,
Speaker 3: this is what you're watching right in front of us here.
Speaker 3: And they don't want twelve in the box. They want
Speaker 3: to decide in the smoky rooms. And this is just figuratively.
Speaker 3: They're down in their rooms away from us, cutting out
Speaker 3: these deals and then surfacing them. And they're gonna be
Speaker 3: a lot of them, Brough. It is not just one
Speaker 3: to eight point one. We've got the one point four.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have the hinting they're coming behind us. And
Speaker 3: then I want to make sure I say this to you,
Speaker 3: Why are they trashing TGI keithg Why are they trashing
Speaker 3: Chief Washington? So let's go through this. So they're throwing
Speaker 3: the cops, their leadership, the fire department leadership, chief Shermon,
Speaker 3: They're throwing all of them under the bus and saying,
Speaker 3: we're gonna fight, we want to appeal, We're gonna bring
Speaker 3: our lawyers down here. Let's go to trial. We don't
Speaker 3: want to pay anything out for them. But then we
Speaker 3: see criminals with guns pointy at officers and they say,
Speaker 3: let's give them all the money.
Speaker 1: Well, it doesn't make any sense to me, Christopher, But
Speaker 1: unfortunately we're out of time here. I really did want
Speaker 1: to get your perspective on this, and it's always.
Speaker 6: Thank you, brother, thanks for having me on Okay.
Speaker 3: People can follow me on social media on x at
Speaker 3: vote Smitherman. It's important to follow me there like minded,
Speaker 3: so between these I can share with you where I
Speaker 3: am on some of these subjects. Thank you Mike Allen
Speaker 3: for having me on Okay.
Speaker 1: Thinking about you today, Christopher, Thank you Okay, Thank you, bye.
Speaker 2: Bye oh man.
Speaker 1: That man knows how to lay the cheese on the crackers,
Speaker 1: if you will. It's just it's unbelievable to me that
Speaker 1: council would do that. They have, like Christopher said, they
Speaker 1: have absolutely zero nothing not to do with this and
Speaker 1: with all the issues facing the city of Cincinnati, you
Speaker 1: know they're going to do this. I remember, I gotta
Speaker 1: tell this story. You only take a second or two.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: When I was a kid, the Vietnam War was blazing.
Speaker 1: I was a young young kid, and they did the
Speaker 1: same damn thing down there, and there was one council
Speaker 1: member who did not vote on it and said things
Speaker 1: like Christopher just said. His name was Guy Guckenberger. I
Speaker 1: wrote him a letter, God, I wish I still had it,
Speaker 1: saying thank you, council Member Guckenberger for taking the position
Speaker 1: that you took. And he responded to me, that's a long, long,
Speaker 1: long time ago. It's the same thing though. Hey, listen,
Speaker 1: got to take a break, but we will be back.
Speaker 1: Mike Allon in for Willie's seven hundred WLW.
Speaker 2: At some point, the foolishness has got to stop.
Speaker 8: Oh hello, quiet, I'm broadcasting.
Speaker 7: The rock is here. I am honored, Mike. How you doing.
Speaker 2: I'm good, I'm great, brother, I'm doing good Man right
Speaker 2: a rock and roll here?
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, Well, I've got the Fox News turned on you.
Speaker 1: We've been watching that damn riot all day, and b
Speaker 1: I think they're getting close now.
Speaker 2: I like the guy in the clown suit.
Speaker 7: I was telling Rocky the other guy looks like a
Speaker 7: giant orange or something. I don't know. They must have
Speaker 7: sent him up from Florida or something. I don't know
Speaker 7: he's but he's acting like a peacemaker. The rest of
Speaker 7: them are I don't know.
Speaker 9: If you had to typecast the people that are protesting,
Speaker 9: it's the predominant group is white liberal women for some reason.
Speaker 7: And then yeah, then just people in just to get
Speaker 7: on or stuff social media or something. Why is that
Speaker 7: they got purple hair though? You know what, they don't
Speaker 7: have anything else to do. I guess, rock I don't know.
Speaker 7: I mean, somebody you look into. You know, these are
Speaker 7: not organic protests.
Speaker 9: Every everyone talks about all like you can go out
Speaker 9: there and voice your opinion that okay, yeah, but this
Speaker 9: is not organic. It's not a bunch of concerned citizens
Speaker 9: that showed up and said, hey man, we gotta we
Speaker 9: gotta stop this.
Speaker 2: We think this is an injustice. Were we to do. No,
Speaker 2: this is this is fully funded, paid for the whole
Speaker 2: nine Hey commerce is doing that? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I hopefully they come out with a
Speaker 1: finding audit. My guess is George Soros is at the
Speaker 1: end of that money bun them.
Speaker 9: Yeah, what they you know, they set up a shell
Speaker 9: company that has another shell company that you know is
Speaker 9: something like Progressforward dot org or something, and and and
Speaker 9: and they going to do these things under the shadow
Speaker 9: of some you know, different different companies, and.
Speaker 2: They do these things. It's it's awful. It's completely awful.
Speaker 9: Like I couldn't imagine being an I say, and they're
Speaker 9: they're they're there to you.
Speaker 2: Know, do their job, which is to uphold the law.
Speaker 9: It is law in this country, right and and and
Speaker 9: you know they they get these people get in front
Speaker 9: of them, right next to them with a bullhorn and
Speaker 9: scream in their ear, call them f words, calm names,
Speaker 9: block them in with cars. There's organized ways they block
Speaker 9: them in with cars. And and you expect these people
Speaker 9: not to not to react back a little bit with
Speaker 9: a little bit of hostility.
Speaker 1: Come on, Well, back in the day, it would have
Speaker 1: been a hell of a lot worse. But that's neither
Speaker 1: here nor there, I guess, Yes.
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Speaker 2: And I'm not fantastic.
Speaker 9: What are they rank when ones that come out Monday,
Speaker 9: they're just outside of the top twenty five twenty.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they they should be in any way, if you're
Speaker 7: eighteen and oh, I don't care what conference you're in.
Speaker 7: I don't care what it is. Win a baby games
Speaker 7: and not thank you. I don't care what conference you're in.
Speaker 7: Rank them. You know it's not Duke or nothing. But hey,
Speaker 7: you know what eighteen and oh is eighteen and oh,
Speaker 7: preach it. I hear you Tonight in college basketball Detroit
Speaker 7: Mercy and NKU at six thirty on ESPN fifteen thirty.
Speaker 7: Radsfest coming up starting Tomorrow night. They beautiful New Convention
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Speaker 7: then Saturday eleven am to six thirty pm. Current the
Speaker 7: whole currents the roster, will be their managers, broadcasters, everybody
Speaker 7: will be there. Red's today signing their number six rank
Speaker 7: international prospect on Hell Nunez junior out of the Dominican
Speaker 7: Republic for three million dollars. Sixteen years old oh Man
Speaker 7: hit three point fifty in the U fifteen World Cup. Recently,
Speaker 7: let's see, FC Cincinnati's been busy. They send off homegrown
Speaker 7: goalkeeper out of Westchester, Paul walters A, to an Irish club,
Speaker 7: Bohemian FC, for the rest of the year. How about
Speaker 7: that little change of scenery there for him? And then
Speaker 7: they also FC has acquired Brian Ramirez from one of
Speaker 7: the top leagues in Ecuador. Apparently a pretty good player there,
Speaker 7: so we'll see what happens. Set ten goals and seventeen
Speaker 7: assists in South America.
Speaker 2: So that's what they need, is goal scorer.
Speaker 1: I have a question, what does a sixteen year old
Speaker 1: do with a million bucks?
Speaker 2: Mom and dad probably get their hands on it, I guess.
Speaker 7: So, I mean, you know, buy a lot of shoes
Speaker 7: and iPods and and get and get a lot of friends. Yeah,
Speaker 7: a lot of people all of a sudden the other
Speaker 7: night come out of the woodwork.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 9: Hopefully they put that money in an account, somebody manages
Speaker 9: it for him and they rediscovered at like age thirty.
Speaker 2: Yep, amen to that. Yes, So that's all that's going on.
Speaker 7: I guess So what John Harball looks like he's going
Speaker 7: to the Giants one hundred million dollar deal, So I
Speaker 7: guess now the dominoes are going to start falling. Stefanski,
Speaker 7: I don't think Tom was not going to do anything.
Speaker 9: He was the best candidate that was available out there,
Speaker 9: and I'd say the best job you could argue is
Speaker 9: the Ravens. He's obviously not going to Ravens. So the
Speaker 9: next job Giants Jackson Dart, that.
Speaker 7: Quarterback, young quarterback who's good, Molik Neighbors, good, young wide
Speaker 7: receiver Cam Scattaboo, great young running back. I think they
Speaker 7: have the is it the fifth overall pick, and so
Speaker 7: they're gonna pick it within the top five of every round.
Speaker 7: I think their offensive line is young and has some holes,
Speaker 7: but they add a few there all of a sudden,
Speaker 7: that could be a ten win team next year.
Speaker 2: It's like that with that guy in charge. I believe it.
Speaker 3: Rock.
Speaker 1: What is Tomlin gonna do you think go in the
Speaker 1: booth for a while. I think we'll go in the
Speaker 1: booth for a year.
Speaker 9: Every company would have him anyone or they're probably knocking
Speaker 9: him down trying to get his services to do that.
Speaker 2: And then a lot of what a lot of these
Speaker 2: coaches do.
Speaker 7: We talked about this yesterday, is you know, while they're
Speaker 7: doing the TV job, Arra Myers talk about this. You know,
Speaker 7: you get to visit with sure different franchises and they
Speaker 7: open the doors and you get to see their players
Speaker 7: and talk to the GMS and talk to the coaches
Speaker 7: and talk to this guy and that to get a
Speaker 7: look under the hood of all these teams and talk
Speaker 7: about him. And while you're getting paid, you know, likely
Speaker 7: millions of dollars, you're gearing up for the next job.
Speaker 7: I think he does it for a year and then
Speaker 7: whatever I mean, was there nine NFL of eight head
Speaker 7: coach vacancies. There'll be another eight or nine next year
Speaker 7: and he'll have his pick and he'll find the team
Speaker 7: that has the best quarterback in place, the best salary
Speaker 7: cap situation, and he'll coach them, and I think he'll
Speaker 7: do a great job.
Speaker 2: Where's Marvin Lewis these days?
Speaker 4: I should know?
Speaker 2: I know that Hugh Jackson games on the radio. Jackson
Speaker 2: was at Georgia State.
Speaker 9: I know that I had them, but last time I checked,
Speaker 9: Marvelis was at Arizona State.
Speaker 7: But okay, I think he did a h I think
Speaker 7: he did a Bengals game for Westwood One on the radio,
Speaker 7: when on a when over on a road game last
Speaker 7: year or this year this past year, I think because
Speaker 7: he was at I think one of the I can't
Speaker 7: remember which one it was, but I think he was
Speaker 7: doing the color commentary on it.
Speaker 2: So I don't know mm HM as an analyst.
Speaker 4: So uh.
Speaker 9: It says as of twenty twenty four, he was an
Speaker 9: assistant coach with the Raiders, but I don't know what
Speaker 9: he what he is recently doing.
Speaker 2: Well, they come and go, I guess yep.
Speaker 9: It's a very sick if they cycle him in and out. Man,
Speaker 9: it's one of the toughest jobs in America and it's
Speaker 9: the best, the best, and you know.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine. I mean, geez, I.
Speaker 9: Had a lot of pressure, lozed stress, but lots of reward.
Speaker 9: And there's only thirty two of those jobs. So everyone's
Speaker 9: always like all the Browns jobs are terrible. I wouldn't
Speaker 9: take it. If I was Dan Pitcher, I would. There's
Speaker 9: only thirty two of them in the whole world. So
Speaker 9: you got to take the job. Even if the quarterback
Speaker 9: situation ain't great, even with the you know, the Cleveland
Speaker 9: Browns management not a great situation. You got to take
Speaker 9: the job if you get it, because how many opportunities.
Speaker 7: You're gonna get and how many times are his job
Speaker 7: is gonna come open? If he would go, you got
Speaker 7: to do it. If they if he would go, do
Speaker 7: they bring Callahan back here? Brian Callahn. I don't think
Speaker 7: he's been picked up by anybody. He got let go
Speaker 7: from Tennessee, right, I think so? Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 7: bring him back? I mean college is different.
Speaker 9: I always think that's the fascinating argument of when, and
Speaker 9: I've seen it over the last decade or more calling
Speaker 9: games of when do you take that next job? When
Speaker 9: are you, as a you know, head coach of a
Speaker 9: of a group of five school, do you take that
Speaker 9: lead to the power forward job? And is which power
Speaker 9: forward job? Is it the right one? And sometimes you
Speaker 9: you you take a bigger job and it works out
Speaker 9: and you you do well, and then you go up
Speaker 9: even higher and then sometimes you go to a place
Speaker 9: where it's very tough to win, you can't get the resources,
Speaker 9: and you don't win, and then you go right back
Speaker 9: down and you know you want to should I have waited?
Speaker 9: It's a very very tough balance.
Speaker 2: That they lead there.
Speaker 1: I can't believe what's happened to college football with the
Speaker 1: money going back and forth with the players, and I
Speaker 1: wonder how sustainable it is, you know, like really when
Speaker 1: and you know what was Oregon's roster like thirty million
Speaker 1: this year?
Speaker 7: You know Texas was around thirty Like how long? How
Speaker 7: long is that sustainable? And at what point do I
Speaker 7: mean a rosters in a couple of years? Are they
Speaker 7: fifty million? Are they eighty million?
Speaker 2: And you hear a lot.
Speaker 9: I've been hearing a lot about some of these donors,
Speaker 9: especially the high profile donors that are given this nil money.
Speaker 9: You know, if you're a donor of a university, you
Speaker 9: are you are a fanatic about that university. You want
Speaker 9: people to love that place the way you've loved it
Speaker 9: for years and decades. But these players don't. They're there
Speaker 9: for a year and then maybe it gone. A lot
Speaker 9: of times I don't even say thanks Troy Aikman was.
Speaker 9: He gave money to UCLA's nil and he said, I'm
Speaker 9: never doing it again.
Speaker 2: So I gave out some money.
Speaker 7: He goes and I never heard from the guy that
Speaker 7: never said thanks, never nothing and left. Well in Miami
Speaker 7: did the same thing, right, They had their quarterback leave
Speaker 7: and they put a freshman in there for the for
Speaker 7: the rest of the season. Their guy at the RedHawks left.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, the kwan Finn left. Yeah, he left, so
Speaker 7: I mean, you know, and he what three or four
Speaker 7: million bucks or whatever it was, he said, see you later.
Speaker 7: I got the money, see you a Miami and moved
Speaker 7: on to someplace else.
Speaker 2: I think, I don't know.
Speaker 9: Hopefully they get to recoup some of that money because
Speaker 9: the corn fin did not in fact finish the season
Speaker 9: with the Right Hawks, so there should be some sort
Speaker 9: of repercussion.
Speaker 7: And apparently I guess in part of his deal, Brendan
Speaker 7: Soresby has to give back a million bucks to U.
Speaker 4: See.
Speaker 2: I think that should I think they should have that.
Speaker 9: I have long thought that if especially if you're all
Speaker 9: like a group like a G five school, and say
Speaker 9: you're Toledo, right, and you're a great player, and you
Speaker 9: go on and you take a million dollar nil deal
Speaker 9: at Ohio State. Okay, Toledo should get compensated something for
Speaker 9: losing a player something.
Speaker 2: I don't know what exactly the number is.
Speaker 9: But it's so hard for those schools because you know,
Speaker 9: you go and you know you're not if you're at Toledo,
Speaker 9: for instance, you're not recruiting and getting four and five
Speaker 9: star guys for the most part, right, Okay, you're getting
Speaker 9: like a you're finding a diamond the ruck. You're finding
Speaker 9: a two star guy or a three star guy with potential,
Speaker 9: and then you go there and you help develop that
Speaker 9: potential for two years, and your reward if they go
Speaker 9: somewhere else as you get something in return.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you would think, I mean health, they're using their
Speaker 1: image and like this. Now I've heard it's even coming
Speaker 1: down to the high school level.
Speaker 2: Now what is and I is legal?
Speaker 9: It's now in forty six states, right yeah, And I'm
Speaker 9: telling you I don't I can't confirm it, but I
Speaker 9: know it's happening. There are schools around that I know
Speaker 9: right now that are losing players to other schools.
Speaker 2: And you went, why are they going to that school?
Speaker 7: I can't can't say exactly who yet, all right, but
Speaker 7: I'm just saying it's going on. But what about the
Speaker 7: little Rocks and your Super Bowl teams? Is the nil
Speaker 7: boys that showed up there lately? We're entertaining offers as
Speaker 7: we speak. Okay, all right, here we go speaking of this.
Speaker 7: We're gonna talk about this on the show here. But
Speaker 7: two different crazy portal situations.
Speaker 1: TJ.
Speaker 9: Finley is a quarterback. He was at Georgia State last year.
Speaker 9: He is in his seventh year and is signing with
Speaker 9: his seventh school or something about that.
Speaker 7: Wow, maybe he's going to have a big man cave
Speaker 7: and there's rock with all the jerseys on the wall.
Speaker 2: Ye really seven and seven.
Speaker 7: There's another quarterback here that we'll talk about. I'll give
Speaker 7: you more more details later. But he's on his fifth
Speaker 7: college and six years and his eleventh different school in
Speaker 7: ten years.
Speaker 2: Geez, that's.
Speaker 1: That's like a journeyman baseball player. You know, one one
Speaker 1: season here with somebody, then the next one that's nuts.
Speaker 1: I mean, can they theoretically, I guess, get in the
Speaker 1: transfer portal anytime they want.
Speaker 9: Well, the problem is that it keeps going to court.
Speaker 9: And that's what's going on right now with you know,
Speaker 9: like Diego Pavia. Right, he's the quarterback of Vanderbilt. Well,
Speaker 9: he played a couple of years at a at a
Speaker 9: JUCO school. Well he's saying, well, you know, I should
Speaker 9: be able to you know, retain those two years to
Speaker 9: be able to play at the FBS level. Because and
Speaker 9: then then it goes to court, and usually what they
Speaker 9: say is, well, you're inhibiting my client's ability to make
Speaker 9: a living. And that's how they keep getting their you
Speaker 9: know what kicked in court. It hasn't been settled yet
Speaker 9: with with uh, with what's gonna happen with Pavia, But
Speaker 9: that's that's what happens, is they always make the case
Speaker 9: in the n C double A just keeps.
Speaker 7: Losing that while you're declining. You know, you're you're not
Speaker 7: allowing my client to make a living, and that's that's
Speaker 7: not right. Well, you know what, the lawyer's got to
Speaker 7: get their money. I mean, come on, that's that's that's
Speaker 7: at the root of the issue where we're coming from. Well,
Speaker 7: you know, and then they just announced what yesterday or
Speaker 7: today that the portal in college basketball is going to
Speaker 7: open like the day after the National Championship game and
Speaker 7: run fifteen days. So now it's like, yeah, that that's
Speaker 7: the next step is the college basketball players are going
Speaker 7: to be leaving and all this all this stuff, and
Speaker 7: they're gonna, you know, they're gonna be scattering all over
Speaker 7: the place at least as after the national championship game
Speaker 7: in college. Right now, it's happening, you know, right now, Yeah,
Speaker 7: right now during the balls he's how Bullsey's raising.
Speaker 2: So it really is.
Speaker 1: And you talk about how much it's changed, I guess
Speaker 1: really isn't anything any such thing anymore as a student athlete.
Speaker 1: I mean, do those people that go like the examples
Speaker 1: you're giving, do they ever get their degree? I don't
Speaker 1: think they probably care about it. It's I don't have
Speaker 1: the stat in front of me. Yeah, it's like an
Speaker 1: astounding number of kids every year go into the portal
Speaker 1: with us.
Speaker 9: You know, they have a scholarship. They go in the portal,
Speaker 9: and they don't come out of the portal with a scholarship. Okay,
Speaker 9: so that's that's tough. I saw at something like thirty
Speaker 9: percent of college football players were in the portal this
Speaker 9: past hour.
Speaker 2: Crazy.
Speaker 1: Hey, I'm getting the word from the sheriff. We got
Speaker 1: to get out of here. Listen to the sheriff guy.
Speaker 2: Mike, we leave you with the immortal words of the
Speaker 2: student report. That's all right.
Speaker 6: I've always felt the nine most terrifying words in the
Speaker 6: English language are I'm from the government and I'm here
Speaker 6: to help.
Speaker 2: Yes, Sir the Great Ronald, here you go.
Speaker 1: It doesn't get any better, all right, guys, thanks again,
Speaker 1: all right, Mike Allen
Speaker 2: And for Willie seven hundred wl W