WEBVTT - 1-15-26 Mike Allen in for Willie 0:00:10.560 --> 0:00:13.960 There's Radio seven hundred WLW Mike Allen in for the 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:17.840 Great American Today. Willie Cunningham app she ate will he 0:00:17.960 --> 0:00:21.119 giving me a shot here? Well, I'll tell you what 0:00:21.400 --> 0:00:25.360 this week, and it's not over yet, has been unbelievable 0:00:26.000 --> 0:00:30.320 in things going on, both locally and throughout the country 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.360 and throughout the world. Really, But I did want to 0:00:34.400 --> 0:00:36.520 talk to you right out of the shoot here about 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:41.160 something that's got it's under my crawl, the whole situation 0:00:41.520 --> 0:00:45.360 up there in Minnesota. You probably know already we had 0:00:45.479 --> 0:00:50.640 yet another attack on a police officer that resulted in 0:00:51.000 --> 0:00:55.160 what would appear to me to be certainly a justifiable shooting. 0:00:55.720 --> 0:00:58.680 You know, it's getting out of hand up there. Enough 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:02.480 is enough, and this has been widely published. You might 0:01:02.520 --> 0:01:08.360 already know the increase in attacks on ice officers is up. 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:09.479 Are you ready for this? 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:17.160 One thousand percent since twenty twenty four, one thousand percent. 0:01:17.920 --> 0:01:22.839 And these people, the so called protesters, and we'll probably 0:01:22.880 --> 0:01:25.679 talk about this a little bit later, they're getting to 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:28.040 the bottom of what their deal is and it looks 0:01:28.080 --> 0:01:32.240 like a good number of them are being paid for 0:01:32.480 --> 0:01:36.440 their their protesting. But it's just it's out of control. 0:01:36.520 --> 0:01:40.000 President Trump. I just saw it on Fox here, I 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:44.479 got it turned down. President Trump apparently is considering invoking 0:01:44.560 --> 0:01:47.960 the Insurrection Act, which you know, if it goes on 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.200 much longer, if any more police officers are hurt, I 0:01:51.240 --> 0:01:54.520 think that's what he'll do, which in essence means that 0:01:55.080 --> 0:01:59.520 he can federalize the National Guard and call him in, 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:03.000 or he can also to call the regular Army if 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.000 he wants to. I don't know if they need that yet, 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:09.760 but something has to be done. It's just it's out 0:02:09.800 --> 0:02:14.320 of control, absolutely out of control. So you know, we're 0:02:14.320 --> 0:02:18.079 gonna keep an eye on that situation. But just right 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:21.320 before we came on the air, Fox hit one of 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.520 those crawlers at the bottom and says Waltz tamp On, 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:29.720 Tim calls on Trump to turn the temperature down after 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:32.560 urging Minnesotans to resist. 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:35.600 I'm that guy. Every time he. 0:02:35.680 --> 0:02:39.519 Opens his mouth he says something like that. I guess 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.919 Kamala rubbed off on him. I think he's a big, 0:02:42.960 --> 0:02:46.800 big part of the problem. And the boy mayor Jacob Fry, 0:02:46.960 --> 0:02:49.000 I think he's a big part of the problem too. 0:02:49.400 --> 0:02:53.840 But yesterday, just some details on what happened yesterday, and 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:57.640 again Trump is considering the Insiration Insurrection Act, which I 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:01.000 think he should. Yesterday, the event to Kurt, I guess 0:03:01.000 --> 0:03:04.440 it was about seven o'clock local time up there. It 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:11.280 involved in undocumented immigrant I e. And illegal alien. He's 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:13.040 a Venezuelan national. 0:03:15.040 --> 0:03:15.720 It's you know. 0:03:16.800 --> 0:03:20.600 The driver in this thing was also an immigrant from Venezuela, 0:03:20.720 --> 0:03:24.240 and we'll talk about that in just a second. Apparently 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:27.919 the man fled. It was a traffic stop. The man 0:03:27.919 --> 0:03:30.960 fled the traffic stop in his car, crashed into a 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:34.520 park vehicle, and then he took off on foot. The 0:03:34.560 --> 0:03:37.840 auficer caught up with him, is probably in pretty good shape. 0:03:37.960 --> 0:03:42.040 The man resisted arrest and began a violent assault. 0:03:42.600 --> 0:03:43.400 So there you go. 0:03:43.480 --> 0:03:46.240 I mean, there's a part of the one thousand percent 0:03:46.400 --> 0:03:50.640 increase in attacks on ice officers. And given the rhetoric, 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.040 I mean, I want to blame it on Trump, but 0:03:53.240 --> 0:03:57.520 given the rhetoric of the boy mayor and Governor Tampon, 0:03:57.960 --> 0:03:59.000 is it any wonder? 0:04:00.560 --> 0:04:00.760 You know? 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:03.800 Walts in the same breath says. 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:05.680 Well, you know, we need call, and then he goes, 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:07.480 you all got to get it, go out there and 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:11.440 stir it up. Well, Apparently, the man, like I said, 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:15.360 he fled the traffic stop. He crashed into a park vehicle. 0:04:15.760 --> 0:04:20.080 He took off on foot, which happens quite a bit now. 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:24.760 While the two were struggling on the ground, two additional individuals. 0:04:25.080 --> 0:04:27.640 Don't know much about them at this point. They weren't 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.960 friends of the officers, though. Two other people emerged from 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:36.440 an apartment complex and attack the officer. Get this, using 0:04:36.560 --> 0:04:40.920 a snow shovel and a broom handle. That's what these 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:45.240 cops up in these ice officers up in Minnesota have 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:46.159 to worry about it. 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:49.799 It's just ridiculous. The officer did. He took a shot. 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:52.760 He stated he feared for his life, Yeah, while being 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:55.400 pummeled by a snowshovel and a broom handle. 0:04:55.680 --> 0:04:56.240 I get it. 0:04:56.839 --> 0:05:00.720 Feared for his life being ambushed by three people reON one. 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:05.080 He fired what he's referring to as a defensive shot, 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:09.840 striking the initial subject in the leg. And I guess everybody, 0:05:09.880 --> 0:05:14.599 the officer included, everybody's gonna be okay. But enough is enough. 0:05:15.320 --> 0:05:18.400 I mean, they're out of control up there. It's every 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:22.599 damn day. I mean, I wonder what these people's source 0:05:22.640 --> 0:05:26.520 of income is, other than a great amount of them 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.920 are probably being paid for doing it, and it all 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:34.239 goes back to the George Soros types. So, like I said, 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.760 the officer and the man who did the assault on 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:44.120 the officer transported to the hospital. The assaulters' injuries were 0:05:44.120 --> 0:05:49.240 described as non life threatening. And then the two bystanders 0:05:49.240 --> 0:05:52.120 that join into the attack, I'm not sure about them, 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:56.800 but I think they're all right in this event. It 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:01.680 occurred exactly one week after an another ice officer fatally 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.880 shot a woman in self defense in Minnesota. 0:06:04.920 --> 0:06:06.240 We all know about. 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:08.840 That one, and we found out too, by the way, 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:12.920 just recently, I think it was yesterday that that officer 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:17.479 sustained some fairly serious injuries to his leg that I 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:20.120 guess they didn't know about before. I'm going to try 0:06:20.120 --> 0:06:21.920 to drill down on that, and I give you this 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:25.240 scoop on that. But it's out of control up there. 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.600 I think Trump is about had all he wants to 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:32.039 take and if it doesn't stop, I look for the 0:06:32.080 --> 0:06:36.320 Insurrection Act to be something a tool that the president uses. 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:43.240 But according to Fox News, protests continued yesterday after that shooting, 0:06:44.240 --> 0:06:49.080 with these alleged demonstrators using horns and whistles and officers 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:53.960 deploying tear gas and pepper balls. There were at least 0:06:53.960 --> 0:06:57.240 one hundred people at the scene, where officers were dispersing 0:06:57.279 --> 0:07:02.200 pepper spray, throwing pepper balls, and using flash bangs as 0:07:02.440 --> 0:07:07.560 rioters tossed items at the agents. Demonstrators were calling on 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:11.280 Ice to leave the city and holding signs with phrases 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:15.920 such as f word Ice, classy. 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:19.080 And then the police chief, I mean, what the hell 0:07:19.200 --> 0:07:19.960 is his deal? 0:07:20.760 --> 0:07:24.400 Minneapolis Police Chief Brian O'Hare said the crowd was committing 0:07:24.520 --> 0:07:29.880 unlawful acts throwing fireworks, then why don't you do something 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:33.880 about it? Chief, Do something about it, you know, tell 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:38.280 your officers to enforce the law. It's just hard for 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:42.600 me to believe that that chief is where he is 0:07:42.760 --> 0:07:46.600 and doing something about it. If they're committing unlawful acts, 0:07:46.920 --> 0:07:49.560 by God, charge him with it. Not that big of 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:54.840 a deal. Here's what Wall said. And this guy is unbelievable. Okay, 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.640 I'm gonna quote him here. This is yesterday. I know 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:02.200 you're angry. I'm angry here. It comes. What Donald Trump 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:06.960 wants is violence in the streets. But Minnesota will remain 0:08:07.160 --> 0:08:12.520 an island of decency, of justice, of community, and of peace. 0:08:12.880 --> 0:08:17.400 Don't give him what he wants he put that on X, 0:08:18.200 --> 0:08:22.360 you know, with him, not just him, but him especially, 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:27.640 no matter what happens, Trump Trump, Trump, you know, not him, 0:08:28.280 --> 0:08:31.640 not the Attorney general, Keith Ellison, very very good friend 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:36.520 of Lewis Farakhan. But it's always Trump, always, you know, 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.240 it's just get it's getting a little bit out of 0:08:39.280 --> 0:08:42.959 control up there. Well, I'll tell you I saw something 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:45.880 today that I wanted to share with you because you 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:49.560 talk about hitting a nail on the head. Okay, there's 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:52.200 a guy by the name of Joe Abraham. You might 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:57.600 recognize the name. His daughter, twenty year old daughter was 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:02.720 killed at the hands of illegal alien. This is how 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:06.680 this went down. She's minding your own business, driving her car, 0:09:07.320 --> 0:09:11.280 and this car, driven by an illegal plowed into the 0:09:11.320 --> 0:09:15.360 back of her and pretty much instantly killed her. Well, 0:09:15.440 --> 0:09:19.680 mister Abraham wrote an op ed that he's getting a 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:24.120 lot of coverage. Just a few sentences from that, this 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:27.080 is mister Abraham. As I read and watched the coverage 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:30.600 coming out of Minnesota about the tragic shooting of a 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:33.839 woman allegedly attempting to run over a federal agent with 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:39.000 her vehicle, two things immediately came to me. And again 0:09:39.400 --> 0:09:43.560 this is mister Abram, the victim's father. 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:44.480 Okay. 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:48.760 He said two things, First, how demonstrators were being stoked, 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:54.720 inflamed and used by politicians for self serving purposes. Second, 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:59.079 and far more personal, where was the outrage when my 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:03.880 innocent twenty year old daughter, Katie Abraham was killed by 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:09.160 an illegal alien shielded and protected by Illinois sanctuary policies. 0:10:09.360 --> 0:10:14.040 You never hear Governor Waltz, You never hear the boy Mayor. 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:18.480 You never hear anyone else, the Attorney general. 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:22.480 You just you don't hear them ever talking about that, 0:10:23.920 --> 0:10:28.560 never talking about what happens when, like Joe Biden, you 0:10:28.640 --> 0:10:31.680 let twenty million people in our country with no idea 0:10:31.720 --> 0:10:35.840 who they are or what they are. Anyway, He goes 0:10:35.880 --> 0:10:39.959 on to say, when my daughter was violently killed, there 0:10:39.960 --> 0:10:44.679 were no viral videos, no breathless media panels, no emotional 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:51.319 press conferences, and no candlelight vigils amplified by politicians and pundits. 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.880 Where were the stories about how the car Katie was 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:58.000 writing in, stopped at a red light, was struck from 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.920 behind at nearly eighty miles an hour by a drunk 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:08.400 driving illegal alien. A drunk driving illegal alien. That death, 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:13.040 That death of that twenty year old young lady was 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.319 completely completely preventable. 0:11:17.080 --> 0:11:21.600 It was preventable by number one. You don't let everybody. 0:11:21.040 --> 0:11:26.440 And their brother cross the border unchecked, unvetted on everything. 0:11:26.720 --> 0:11:30.119 That's number one. Number two, the ones. 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.520 That are here, you let ice do their job, the 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:37.560 job that they're charged with by a federal statute. The 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:41.120 statute's been around since I think nineteen fifty two. Pretty 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:45.319 damn simple. All boils down to thou shalt not trespass 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:49.760 into our country. You know, let's just say the Biden 0:11:49.760 --> 0:11:53.880 administration was tough on that, and like Trump is, I mean, 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.080 Trump's pretty much cleaned it all up now as far 0:11:56.080 --> 0:11:59.360 as people coming in, maybe that man's daughter would still 0:11:59.400 --> 0:11:59.920 be with. 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:03.920 Us just a few more here. It's heartbreaking. 0:12:04.520 --> 0:12:07.960 Where was the outrage over how first responders had to 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:13.080 pry the vehicle open. This is said like a tutican, 0:12:13.640 --> 0:12:18.199 to pull my daughter's lifeless body from the wreckage. You know, 0:12:18.280 --> 0:12:21.360 who's speaking for this young lady other than her father. 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:26.280 It also struck me how the same media figures, politicians 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:32.120 and commentators now expressing outrage over the Minneapolis shooting have 0:12:32.280 --> 0:12:35.199 had nothing to say about Katie. 0:12:35.679 --> 0:12:36.079 Nothing. 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:40.520 And then you get to this guy, I'll tell you 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:45.679 this is the boy mayor number two, Mayored Mondamie up 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:46.480 in New York City. 0:12:46.480 --> 0:12:47.280 Here's what he says. 0:12:47.360 --> 0:12:52.440 Quote, we know when ice agents attack immigrants, they attack 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:57.079 every single one of us across this country. Number One, 0:12:57.200 --> 0:13:01.320 they don't attack, they respond, And number two, they ain't 0:13:01.360 --> 0:13:02.000 attacking me. 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:04.960 I mean, let them do their job. 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.400 And then you get probably it may be arguable, but 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:15.160 probably the dumbest elected official in the United States of 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:19.359 America today. I'm talking about the Democrat Mayor of Chicago, 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:24.120 Brandon Johnson. Here's what he says. We stand in solidarity 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:27.680 with the people of Minneapolis and with all of those 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.920 across the country whose lives have been torn apart due 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:36.480 to reckless actions by Trump's lawless and then he throws 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:39.720 this everywhere, lawless racist force. 0:13:40.240 --> 0:13:42.000 You know, just throw the racist in there. 0:13:42.040 --> 0:13:46.560 You know, the term is used like thrown around like confetti. 0:13:46.880 --> 0:13:48.280 It means nothing. 0:13:49.200 --> 0:13:52.559 And then you got Karen Bass, La Mayor Karen Bass, 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:56.120 Democrat of Courts. It happened because of the brutal and 0:13:56.240 --> 0:14:00.800 there you go again, racist policies of the Trump administration 0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:06.400 that unleashed the agents, unleashed the agents to do what 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:12.679 they are sworn to do, enforce federal law. You know, 0:14:13.000 --> 0:14:16.720 these protests that you don't like it, change the law, Lobby, Congress, 0:14:17.000 --> 0:14:22.560 have them change it. It's ridiculous, you know. He just 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.200 a few more sentences here. He writes, as we approach 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:29.160 the one year anniversary of Katie's death on January nineteenth, 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:34.960 twenty twenty five, sanctuary policies continue to cause death and destruction, 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:39.800 and our political leaders continue to double down. Well, you know, 0:14:39.840 --> 0:14:42.760 we're at a point now where they have to double 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:46.480 down because it's getting completely out of control. And my 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:50.320 guess is, if this stuff in Minneapolis doesn't let up, 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:56.960 Trump's going to invoke the Insurrection Act, possibly before the weekend. Well, 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:00.160 he's talking about sanctuary policies, and he says again, and 0:15:00.200 --> 0:15:04.960 this is the young lady's father. This is not sympathetic governance, 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:10.920 it's sympathetic irresponsibility. Yeah, I think you're right by refusing 0:15:10.960 --> 0:15:15.320 to cooperate with federal authorities. He's talking about Illinois Governor Pritzker, 0:15:15.400 --> 0:15:19.520 where he's from. Illinois, removed every guardrail that might have 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:27.200 prevented tragedy. No meaningful background checks, no identity confirmation, no monitoring, 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:32.280 no intervention, just walk into our country. Thank you very much, 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:34.800 mister Biden. And he goes on to say, and this 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.480 is you can find it if you want. It's on 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:42.640 Fox's website. Last thing, he says, Katie paid with her life. 0:15:43.240 --> 0:15:47.840 So all of these people out there protested, why don't 0:15:47.840 --> 0:15:51.680 you take just a few minutes to recognize her, to 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:55.080 recognize Katie and all the other people that have died 0:15:55.440 --> 0:15:58.440 at the hands of an illegal immigrant that the Biden 0:15:58.520 --> 0:16:03.040 administration let into our country. You don't hear anything about that. 0:16:03.200 --> 0:16:06.000 You don't hear the media all wound up about that. 0:16:07.040 --> 0:16:10.120 But anyway, that's what I think. Hey, we got to 0:16:10.160 --> 0:16:12.840 take a break. But when we get back, big goings 0:16:12.880 --> 0:16:16.000 on in the city. Looks like another person is going 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:20.200 to ring the taxpayers up big time. And we're going 0:16:20.240 --> 0:16:22.200 to talk to Steve about that when we get back. 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:33.280 Mike Allen in for Willy's seven hundred wlw caarback Mike 0:16:33.320 --> 0:16:37.720 Allen in for the great American Willie Cunningham. This next 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:41.200 guy has been busy, busy, busy because he's in great 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:45.360 demand because he's so good at what he does. I'm talking, 0:16:45.400 --> 0:16:49.680 of course, about Steve Gooden. We found out yesterday that 0:16:50.040 --> 0:16:54.120 Elwood Jones. I'm sure you're familiar with that case. His 0:16:54.440 --> 0:16:58.640 conviction was overturned after I believe it's about thirty years. 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:04.440 He is now suing to get money for being unlawfully 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:08.960 and according to him, incarcerated for again about close to 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:13.520 thirty years. And you know, if it's successful, he's going 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:16.040 to ring up the taxpayers to the tune of about 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:20.320 one point eight million. But it's a really crazy, kind 0:17:20.320 --> 0:17:23.880 of a byzantine way that all this works legally. And 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.320 the guy who explained it is Steve Good and Steve, 0:17:27.400 --> 0:17:28.840 thanks so much for calling in. 0:17:30.359 --> 0:17:31.480 Oh anytime, Mike. 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:33.960 I don't know that I can truly explain this in 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.719 a way that it won't make the taxpayer scream. 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.080 I know my best to explain the process. 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:42.280 Can you break it down, Steven? Honestly, just over the 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:44.920 last couple of days, I did a little research. It's 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.280 it's kind of goofy, but yeah, just kind of explain 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:50.879 how it works, and you know what the standard is 0:17:50.920 --> 0:17:51.440 and those. 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:51.920 Kind of things. 0:17:53.160 --> 0:17:54.840 Well, you know, it's the kind of thing that the 0:17:54.880 --> 0:17:57.639 average person doesn't even know about. I mean, there is 0:17:57.680 --> 0:18:01.000 a special court in Columbus called the Court of Claims 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.480 that deals with claims that are brought against the state, 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.800 and almost all the prisoner claims that involve state prisons 0:18:07.800 --> 0:18:10.919 are litigated there. You know, they're open to the public, 0:18:10.960 --> 0:18:14.600 but they don't really broadcast what they do. I've litigated 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:18.040 with them many times, so it's kind of has the 0:18:18.040 --> 0:18:20.800 feel of a star chamber. And millions upon millions of 0:18:20.840 --> 0:18:23.800 dollars of taxpayer dollars are dealt with in this special 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:25.720 Court of Claims. So really to kind of set the 0:18:25.760 --> 0:18:29.080 stage here, you know, Elwood Jones was convicted back I 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.600 think in nineteen ninety four of murdering a woman named 0:18:31.880 --> 0:18:35.760 Rhoda Nathan. Importantly, this occurred in Blue Ash. He was 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:38.600 the charges were brought by the County prosecutor's office. So 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:40.720 this is one where the city of Cincinnati has no 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:44.000 role whatsoever. I know, they're given out big settlements. It 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.200 feels like left and right right now. This is one 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:49.800 where the Cincinnati Police, the mayor, city manager, no one 0:18:49.800 --> 0:18:52.119 has anything to do with this. It's purely a state 0:18:52.200 --> 0:18:56.600 and county matter. The county is a political subdivision of 0:18:56.640 --> 0:18:59.119 the state under Ohio law. So you know, whenever you know, 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.280 when you were proster, every charge with State of Ohio 0:19:02.400 --> 0:19:05.760 versus the State of Ohio versus Elwood Jones. So what 0:19:06.040 --> 0:19:09.480 he has done is the after many years of litigation, 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.760 you know, it is finally the charges against him have 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:16.840 been dismissed. There are a lot of folks, including the 0:19:16.840 --> 0:19:18.760 family and miss Nathan, and a lot of folks like 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:22.040 me that worked in the prosecutor's office that really strongly 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:25.520 questioned that decision. But not only were they dismissed, the 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:30.000 new prosecutor County Village took the extraordinary step saying publicly 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:32.600 that she is no longer convinced he was guilty at all. 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.760 Steve question, can I ask you a quom sor? I 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:37.680 didn't mean to interrupt, but I want to ask her, 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:41.680 why do you think she did that? I think she's smart. 0:19:41.800 --> 0:19:44.560 I think she's done a good job, a real good 0:19:44.640 --> 0:19:46.120 job as prosecutors so far. 0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:50.320 But why do you think she did that? Well, you know, 0:19:50.440 --> 0:19:51.400 I don't know. 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:52.879 I mean, I can only speculate. 0:19:52.960 --> 0:19:55.200 I mean, I'm guessing that perhaps that's that's really what 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:58.040 she thought. I mean, I mean, I think you look 0:19:58.080 --> 0:19:59.920 at the case and I think there's still some very 0:20:00.119 --> 0:20:02.280 very strong evidence he did it, sort of like the 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:04.960 old O. J. Simpson questioned, if he didn't do it, 0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:07.800 who did you know he had access to the room. 0:20:08.200 --> 0:20:10.879 You know, some indications he had a defensive bike wound 0:20:11.160 --> 0:20:14.040 or some sort of injury. There was all kinds of 0:20:14.359 --> 0:20:18.400 circumstantial evidence. It's a pre DNA case, so there isn't 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:21.639 any kind of DNA that would just absolutely definitely confirm 0:20:21.680 --> 0:20:23.800 it the way you know something like this would be 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:27.199 confirmed now. But instead of just saying, look, standards have 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:29.760 changed or he's done enough time, she went that extra 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.800 step and said, I'm not convinced he did it. And 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.560 what the practical impact that that's going to be is that, 0:20:35.600 --> 0:20:37.919 you know, the first step of this process is that 0:20:38.000 --> 0:20:40.200 they file a suit in the local courts, the common 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:43.080 Police Court here in Hambleton County, which they have done, 0:20:43.400 --> 0:20:45.960 and he has to be declared mister Jones has to 0:20:45.960 --> 0:20:49.800 be declared to be a wrongfully convicted or wrongfully imprisoned person. 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:53.119 And after the county prosecutor has made a statement to 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:56.080 that effect. I don't know how they could ever rebut 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:58.080 that or fight against that. It seems to me he 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:00.560 now has a glide path to go on to the 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:02.480 next court up in Columbus. 0:21:02.800 --> 0:21:04.800 Do you did, were you able to find out who 0:21:04.840 --> 0:21:06.720 the judge is? It was not on the clerk of 0:21:06.720 --> 0:21:09.920 course website as of this morning. I mean, I'm just curious, 0:21:09.920 --> 0:21:10.080 you know. 0:21:10.160 --> 0:21:12.600 I yeah, you know, I just looked just a few 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:15.040 minutes ago, and we don't know. I mean, it's going 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:17.440 through that random selection process, so it will be one 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:20.440 of the sixteen cond of police court judges. I don't 0:21:20.440 --> 0:21:22.639 believe it has been assigned from what I can tell, 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:25.440 so it will go to a judge. There's no jury 0:21:25.480 --> 0:21:29.040 involved at this stage, you know, it's just a pure 0:21:29.119 --> 0:21:32.719 legal determination of whether he was wrongfully convicted, where in 0:21:32.760 --> 0:21:35.040 which the prosecutor's office will be on the other side. 0:21:35.160 --> 0:21:37.960 After the prosecutor has already said that she feels he 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:41.960 was wrongfully convicted. So I predict his chances of being 0:21:41.960 --> 0:21:44.360 declared a wrongfully convicted person are pretty good. 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:45.080 Yeah. 0:21:45.160 --> 0:21:47.560 I mean, when the prosecutor says that she thinks he's 0:21:47.600 --> 0:21:50.360 not guilty, and I respect what she said, I do 0:21:50.680 --> 0:21:53.239 I disagree with it. When I was prosecutor, I had 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:55.439 a little bit of contact with the case, just in 0:21:55.920 --> 0:21:59.720 appellate matters, and I'll tell you what seemed like there 0:21:59.760 --> 0:22:01.840 was a heck of a lot there. But anyway, that's 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:04.879 just me let me ask you this, what is the uh, 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:09.160 what's the standards? Is it clear and convincing evidence that 0:22:09.320 --> 0:22:10.800 they have to show admy. 0:22:10.560 --> 0:22:11.240 Or do you know? 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:15.320 Yeah, it's clear and convincing evidence. I mean, you know 0:22:15.400 --> 0:22:17.359 at this point and then you know, the the u 0:22:18.280 --> 0:22:20.800 following proceedings up in Columbus are just done by a 0:22:20.800 --> 0:22:24.399 straight preponderance of the evidence, and we're outside the criminal system. 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:27.080 I mean, these are kind of you know, these are 0:22:27.160 --> 0:22:29.159 kind of in this like kind of gray area between 0:22:29.160 --> 0:22:32.720 the typical and regular civil claim and an administrative claim. 0:22:33.200 --> 0:22:36.280 You know, whenever you you know, sue the state, you 0:22:36.320 --> 0:22:38.960 basically have to get permission to sue the state from 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:40.680 a judge, just like kind of the they have this 0:22:40.720 --> 0:22:43.480 think of the Federal Tort Claims Act and the federal 0:22:43.520 --> 0:22:45.600 system where you know, a judge kind of has to 0:22:45.640 --> 0:22:48.720 approve your ability to sue the state. It doesn't happen 0:22:48.760 --> 0:22:51.680 every day. So yeah, there's got to be clear convincing 0:22:51.720 --> 0:22:54.440 evidence shown here that he was wrongfully convicted. So they'll 0:22:54.440 --> 0:22:57.560 put on some evidence, you know, about about why the 0:22:57.640 --> 0:22:58.879 conviction was overturned. 0:22:59.480 --> 0:23:00.880 Uh, and then you. 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:03.000 Know, once they get over that hurdle, which under these 0:23:03.000 --> 0:23:05.520 circumstances seems very low. Then it goes up to this 0:23:05.600 --> 0:23:08.280 Court of Claims in Columbus where they make a final 0:23:08.520 --> 0:23:10.600 determination about what he will be owed. 0:23:11.560 --> 0:23:12.680 You know, under the state. 0:23:12.520 --> 0:23:15.399 Law, it's anywhere from fifty six to sixty eight thousand 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:19.160 dollars per year you were incarcerated. And so that's where 0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:21.240 they're coming up at the one point eight million number. 0:23:21.280 --> 0:23:23.480 Now he can additionally ask for some other things on 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:28.520 top of that. There's some payments suffering, you know, health issues, 0:23:28.600 --> 0:23:30.960 loss and consortion, things of that nature that he can 0:23:30.960 --> 0:23:34.639 still raise as to try to get that higher up. Typically, 0:23:34.720 --> 0:23:36.919 the attorneys that take these cases on I don't know 0:23:36.920 --> 0:23:40.240 what their arrangement here is, but you know, typically they 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:43.080 bring these on a contingency basis, so they can take 0:23:43.160 --> 0:23:46.440 up to a third of the award. But still, I mean, 0:23:46.440 --> 0:23:49.080 he's looking at you know, at real money on the 0:23:49.080 --> 0:23:49.600 low end. 0:23:50.400 --> 0:23:50.919