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Speaker 1: Have hired a new manager.

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Speaker 2: His name is, of course, Derek Shelton, and he's kind

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Speaker 2: of enough to join us from the start of the

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Speaker 2: program today. Welcome in, Thank you for coming to see you.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate that you had quite the entourage.

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Speaker 3: That I do not want that to be if I'll

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Speaker 3: be considered an entourage. Please, it's not Dustin and nich

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Speaker 3: like that. I mean, that's a good point. Can I

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Speaker 3: be cooler than that? That's a very very from the jump. Well,

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Speaker 3: i'd say, welcome to town. But it's not like you're not.

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Speaker 2: Familiar with the town, right, I mean, you've obviously been

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Speaker 2: here before, but now you're in a very very different role,

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Speaker 2: and we're going to try to cover a lot of

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Speaker 2: ground today. I hope in the time we have I

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Speaker 2: should mention the folks that Glenn Mason is going to

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Speaker 2: join us in studio at four o'clock as well, the

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Speaker 2: former Golden Gophers coach. The interesting thing about Mace, I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you know Glenn Mason at all.

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Speaker 1: Not well. Before I did.

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Speaker 2: Radio, I was a very snarky uh sports columns for

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Speaker 2: the start tobune and then for a while I did both,

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Speaker 2: but for much of the time that Mace was here,

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Speaker 2: he and I had what might be best classified as

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Speaker 2: didn't appreciate some of my sarcasm. I don't know that

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Speaker 2: I would necessarily blame him. So there were some highs

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Speaker 2: show you that you never know how it's going to

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Speaker 2: turn out. Because now he has been Guardsie. How many

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Speaker 2: years has Mace been on with us? Probably maybe fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: He has been faithfully joining this show once a week

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Speaker 2: during the college football season.

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Speaker 1: In fact, it was up to him, he would join

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Speaker 2: But I think again, we probably punch each other again,

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Speaker 2: and we've come to some I mean, he every once

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Speaker 2: remember that time you wrote this and such about me

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Speaker 2: but he obviously got to enough of a better place

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Speaker 2: that we've been able to co exist for fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: So you never know how this thing works. You never

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Speaker 2: know how to lationships can change, you know.

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Speaker 1: I love that. Yeah, it's a good thing. I want

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Speaker 2: I've got a lot of teachers in my family guards

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Speaker 2: he's got teachers in his family, and I believe you

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Speaker 2: are the son of a teacher and a principal, combo

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Speaker 1: What does that do for you?

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Speaker 2: What's it like being the How has that helped form

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Speaker 3: Derek shelp Well, I think that's a good question. My

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Speaker 3: father was a teacher, my mother was a teacher. My

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Speaker 3: father was the dean of students when I was in Hawaii,

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Speaker 3: so he was in charge of discipline. So if I

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Speaker 3: with is really important, both my parents being teachers, my

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Speaker 3: one of the greatest strengths I saw with my dad

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Speaker 3: as he went from and I appreciate you brought up,

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Speaker 3: And for anybody that's in that space knows that, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I think was really important. And the one thing I

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Speaker 3: But the one thing I really learned from him was

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Speaker 3: And I will say that like if you if you're

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Speaker 3: There were assistant coaches that may have stepped in between

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Speaker 2: Did was your dad when he was coaching you? Do

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Speaker 1: Or was he easier on you?

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Speaker 3: He was thrown out of everything that ever my dad.

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Speaker 3: This is the God's honest truth. And if you meet

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Speaker 3: My dad also taught a life saving course to be

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Speaker 3: not like my attague. My Yeah, he was definitely harder.

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Speaker 3: I'm not going to take it. No one else is

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Speaker 3: my friends now see my dad and they're like, what happened?

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Speaker 3: He's so soft, he's so nice, And I'm like, grandkids happen.

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Speaker 1: He changes everything, doesn't. Yeah, yeah, that's very true.

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Speaker 2: You know there's I mentioned yesterday we're going to have

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Speaker 2: By the way, if you have questions or comments six

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Speaker 2: and you've heard this already, I'm sure, but a lot

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Speaker 2: Knowing what we know about ownership right now, payroll right now,

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Speaker 2: there's a lot of frustration. I'm not telling anything you

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Speaker 1: So I'll just ask you, why would you take this job?

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Speaker 3: I think that's a great question, and I appreciate you asking,

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Speaker 1: You've lived here. It feels like home. You know.

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Speaker 3: I was embraced in that role. I was hired by

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Speaker 3: When the opportunity came up, the respect I have for

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Speaker 2: There's a part of me that wonders whether you're a

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Speaker 2: glutton for punishment because you've gone.

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Speaker 1: You know, with the a while. That's true, there you go.

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Speaker 2: The Pirates weren't exactly known for massive payrolls. In fact,

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Speaker 1: Eighty two million something in that rang sounds about right,

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Speaker 2: And now here they've been they have been bigger than that,

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Speaker 2: I understand these jobs are hard to get, you know,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that, and I don't think, I mean

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Speaker 3: So I think I understand the frustration there, I really do.

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Speaker 2: We're chatting in studio with new Twins manager Derek Shelton.

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Speaker 2: Lots of good texts are coming in, lots more ground

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Speaker 2: Lots of questions coming in via the Bradshawn Bryant Cafe

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, the manifestation of that was you know, right

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Speaker 1: You work your whole career to get to that.

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Speaker 3: Sure you know the person that took over the job

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Speaker 1: I think this is the way it came into play.

440
00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:59,360
Speaker 3: My oldest son is twenty five and was in Pittsburgh,

441
00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,720
Speaker 3: so you're to have conversations with him. And then the

442
00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:03,919
Speaker 3: other thing for him is he's around a bunch of

443
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 3: people and you know he hears things, so, like you, you

444
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,199
Speaker 3: take all that in and I think going back to

445
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:14,360
Speaker 3: I think the best question you've asked me so far,

446
00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:18,200
Speaker 3: you know, all due respect, is like why this job?

447
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,640
Speaker 3: And I think you put all those things into play

448
00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:23,040
Speaker 3: of how you feel, how I feel I can impact

449
00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,000
Speaker 3: this group of people moving forward, and you have to

450
00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:29,920
Speaker 3: be honest with yourself, and if you're not, then there's

451
00:20:29,960 --> 00:20:31,280
Speaker 3: no sense in taking this job.

452
00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:32,840
Speaker 1: And there's no sense in doing this again.

453
00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 3: Go be a bench coach, Go be a hitting coach,

454
00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,399
Speaker 3: Go do those other things where you're not under the

455
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:39,920
Speaker 3: pressure and you know, I think it's something that Mike Brown,

456
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 3: the guy that coached for a long time, He's like,

457
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:43,760
Speaker 3: you have to honor the pressure of the job.

458
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,120
Speaker 1: Someone's giving you.

459
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 3: The responsibility of the pressure of the job. And I

460
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 3: think that was really important to me and completely transparent.

461
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:52,560
Speaker 3: And I don't know if I said this, but like,

462
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,520
Speaker 3: if I would have got fired in September, I would

463
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,880
Speaker 3: not have been ready because I wouldn't have gone through

464
00:20:58,359 --> 00:21:00,480
Speaker 3: those phases of what I went through to be able

465
00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:01,720
Speaker 3: to try to do it.

466
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 2: So let's drill down a little bit more though, So

467
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:08,880
Speaker 2: is it you came to the conclusion that you were

468
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 2: too impatient in some cases too soft in other cases.

469
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: When you say I learned some things that I think

470
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,159
Speaker 2: I can use this time around where I might have

471
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:20,880
Speaker 2: made mistakes, what were the mistakes?

472
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 1: I agree.

473
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 3: I think I became too impatient at times, you know.

474
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 3: I mean I talked in the first part about my

475
00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,679
Speaker 3: dad and being a good listener, and I, you know,

476
00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:30,919
Speaker 3: credit myself or think I do a good job of that.

477
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,479
Speaker 3: I think I got away from that. I think that

478
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 3: was probably the biggest learning experience. And it was really

479
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,920
Speaker 3: interesting that you asked me that question at the top

480
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 3: of the show about that, because that was something I

481
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 3: reflected on. I thought I did a good job early on,

482
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:47,400
Speaker 3: and then I think my impatience kind of showed up

483
00:21:47,440 --> 00:21:49,520
Speaker 3: and because of it, and I said this yesterday in

484
00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:51,800
Speaker 3: the presser, it was like we would have conversations, but

485
00:21:51,800 --> 00:21:53,800
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have the follow up conversation, right, and then

486
00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 3: you leave players or you leave staff members in a

487
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:58,879
Speaker 3: gray area of like what did this guy mean? Like

488
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:01,400
Speaker 3: where is he at? And I think my impatience there

489
00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,000
Speaker 3: is what came into play. And it was an unbelievable

490
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 3: learning experience. And you have to be able to you

491
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:08,959
Speaker 3: have to be open with yourself. You have to you know,

492
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 3: kind of be raw with yourself. And again, if I

493
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 3: would not have had that time, I don't think I

494
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 3: would have done it. But I think impatience is number

495
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 3: one of like trying to go a little bit too

496
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,600
Speaker 3: fast with things. And then, as I pointed out yesterday

497
00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,400
Speaker 3: and this Twins team moving forward, like attention to detail,

498
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:26,760
Speaker 3: I think I let myself get away from it. You know,

499
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 3: I grew up in the Yankee system where the attention

500
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,480
Speaker 3: to detail was like that was like rule number one.

501
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,000
Speaker 3: And I think as I look back and reflected like

502
00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 3: we got away from that as a team a little bit.

503
00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 1: And that's not me.

504
00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 3: That's my fault. You know, That's something I get to

505
00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:42,520
Speaker 3: get better at it. But it's also something moving forward

506
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:43,760
Speaker 3: that I will make sure we pay attention.

507
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 2: When you talk about the conversations that you have, you

508
00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 2: are you talking about when you're speaking addressing the entire

509
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 2: team or you're you're addressing individual players and your staff.

510
00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 1: I think it's both.

511
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 3: I think it's both in terms of making sure the

512
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,840
Speaker 3: clarity of message in terms of if you're doing it

513
00:23:02,840 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 3: with the full group, how the follow up is or

514
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,920
Speaker 3: how it landed. But I think it's more one on

515
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,320
Speaker 3: one or you know, two on one, when you're having

516
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 3: conversations with people, especially players, of like, this is the

517
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 3: point I was trying to make, and then you know

518
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,200
Speaker 3: how it landed. And I think in today's today's players,

519
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 3: they want to know the why, probably more so. I mean,

520
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,120
Speaker 3: this is as much as you know I may would

521
00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 3: have loved to manage in the seventies and eighties, you're

522
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 3: talking about Sparky Anderson, like when Sparky said sometimes they

523
00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 3: did it. Now Sparky also managed nine Hall of Famers,

524
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 3: So you know, sign me up for that at any point.

525
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 3: But but I mean I've talked to I've talked to

526
00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 3: Tony Peress because I'm I coached at Wardo and I

527
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,600
Speaker 3: talked to Tony and one of the things he told

528
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 3: me is like, if Sparky told us something, we were

529
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 3: doing it.

530
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:46,479
Speaker 1: You know.

531
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 3: So in today's game, it's it's transitioned a little bit.

532
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 3: Players want to know the why, and they're getting information

533
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 3: from other plat places. So I didn't do a good

534
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 3: enough job there, and I think I learned that through

535
00:23:56,440 --> 00:24:00,120
Speaker 3: the process. Give me an example of where you think

536
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:04,480
Speaker 3: you and Rocco are very similar in terms of managerial style,

537
00:24:04,520 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 3: and give me a spot where you think you guys

538
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 3: are utterly and completely different similar. I think we both

539
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:15,199
Speaker 3: like information. We will both take information and process it.

540
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:18,320
Speaker 3: I think that goes from you. We both spent time

541
00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 3: in the Rais organization. And I don't I mean, I

542
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:22,880
Speaker 3: do not think in any way, and I would say

543
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 3: Roco's the same way. I don't think information is the

544
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 3: end all be all. You have to watch the game.

545
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 3: You have to use your eyes, and I think that's

546
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,560
Speaker 3: something that's really important. I think that's something you learn.

547
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 3: I don't know if I I necessarily thought that as

548
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 3: much when I first took a managerial job six years ago,

549
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 3: But I think after managing games, you have to use

550
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 3: your eyes. You have to watch the game and see

551
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:46,400
Speaker 3: what happens and how it transpires. In terms of how

552
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 3: we're different, our personalities are completely different. I actually it's

553
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 3: one of the reasons. And I mean you've spent time

554
00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 3: with Rocco, It's one of the reasons when we work together,

555
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,760
Speaker 3: I think we were so good. I gu because our

556
00:24:56,800 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 3: personalities are on the opposite end of the spectrum. And

557
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,960
Speaker 3: the one thing that I admire about Rocabadelli is, and

558
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 3: you know him and have had him in studio, is

559
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:09,160
Speaker 3: he has tremendous humility, and I think anybody that spend

560
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,399
Speaker 3: any time around him can learn him. But in terms

561
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,080
Speaker 3: of you know who we are as people, we are

562
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,119
Speaker 3: the complete opposites, and we are complete opposites when it

563
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,159
Speaker 3: comes to music, I can tell you that, like, so.

564
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:19,920
Speaker 1: You're not a fish.

565
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 3: God, I had to listen to so much fish. We

566
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,879
Speaker 3: would listen to fish in the office and I'm like,

567
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 3: are there any words to this song? Or is this

568
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 3: a seventeen minute instrumental with no damn words like what.

569
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:31,800
Speaker 1: Are we doing here? That's too good?

570
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think that's like our personalities are polar

571
00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:36,840
Speaker 3: opposites in terms of where we sit.

572
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 2: There is you know, baseball is such a slow cook.

573
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,199
Speaker 1: Obviously, I don't have to tell you this.

574
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: You've lived at your whole life one hundred you know

575
00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 2: it's one hundred and sixty two game season.

576
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 1: You know, I grew up.

577
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,520
Speaker 2: I learned as a as a writer some of my

578
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: baseball from Tom Kelly because I got here in eighty six,

579
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,199
Speaker 2: and obviously then they took off in eighty seven and

580
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:00,520
Speaker 2: again in ninety one, and you know, I rolled my

581
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: eyes like everybody else about even Keel and you can't

582
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: get too high, you can't get too hello, because it's

583
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,680
Speaker 2: kind of boring. But for baseball it's kind of true

584
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:11,400
Speaker 2: because it goes on forever. The season goes on forever.

585
00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: So in a sense, though, if you have a little

586
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: bit more I don't want to say volatile personality, but

587
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: you might have a little more going in that regard

588
00:26:20,040 --> 00:26:25,399
Speaker 2: than say Roco. Does your personality match the game? Is

589
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 2: it tough to be you in a game that teaches

590
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 2: you day after day that you cannot lose your mind

591
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:32,560
Speaker 2: every fifteen minutes.

592
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,800
Speaker 3: Well, you can't lose your mind every fifteen minutes. I

593
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:39,399
Speaker 3: have lost my mind a few times, probably more than

594
00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 3: a few times. I do think the even keel portion

595
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:46,920
Speaker 3: of that is because, like you very well stated that,

596
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 3: the season is so long and we are so reactionary,

597
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 3: especially in today's society. You lose one game and it's

598
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 3: like it's Armageddon, and then the next day you win

599
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 3: and it's like, oh my god, we're the greatest team

600
00:26:56,560 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 3: of all time. And you know, some of that has

601
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 3: to do with the ebbs and flows what happens in

602
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 3: that game that night. But I do think externally at

603
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 3: times you have to remain calm and but internally like

604
00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 3: you're you're going and you know, I will say, like,

605
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:13,959
Speaker 3: there's a couple of times, even when I was here,

606
00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 3: Rock got ejected and I was like, you didn't raise

607
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 3: your voice there, dude, where are we going with that?

608
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 3: So I would say, like, when I get on the field,

609
00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 3: it's will probably be a tad more animated than it

610
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 3: has been previously.

611
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,479
Speaker 2: Well, I also think, regardless of the sport, that there

612
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,120
Speaker 2: is a place for an edge for a moment.

613
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:35,120
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the old.

614
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 2: To me, that's the interesting balancing act where it is

615
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 2: you got to be even keel. You can't lose your

616
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 2: mind constantly, but you can also lull yourself into a

617
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 2: false sense of security if you never respond to what's

618
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,639
Speaker 2: going on, say who wha, wha wha, We ain't going

619
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 2: any further. We got to deal with A B and

620
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,640
Speaker 2: C or we're gonna be sitting here a month from

621
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 2: now going well, nothing, nothing's changing. So if you strike

622
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 2: me as a guy who's not afraid in that regard

623
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,439
Speaker 2: to have an edge to make that point because to me,

624
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: regardless of the sport, that has to be part of

625
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 2: the message that a manager or a coach conveys.

626
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, your players have to feel that edge. And I

627
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 3: think that's something also I reflected on you know this

628
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 3: this year, and I think that's where my impatience came in.

629
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, where's your edge at? How is

630
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 3: your edge coming across? Yeah, and you one hundred percent

631
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 3: have to have that.

632
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 1: You know.

633
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,800
Speaker 3: The thing about baseball today is like you could lose

634
00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:24,679
Speaker 3: your mind every night if you wanted to. And I

635
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 3: think you have to be calculated. It's probably the bad word,

636
00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:31,680
Speaker 3: but just aware of the situation and where you're at,

637
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 3: and how it's going to affect your team and how

638
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: they're going to react to it. So I think those

639
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,840
Speaker 3: factors come into play every night. But if you wanted to,

640
00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 3: I mean, you could, honestly, you could lose your mind

641
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: every night.

642
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 2: The the you know you mentioned you had what you

643
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 2: classify as very frank conversations with the people who ultimately

644
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:53,600
Speaker 2: made this decision. And again, I don't expect you to

645
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 2: give away the secrets or the farm. I understand that

646
00:28:56,360 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: part of it. But can we assumed that on the

647
00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 2: basis of the fact that you said yes when they

648
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: came to you eventually, that you heard enough answers that

649
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 2: satisfied you that you're going to have a chance to

650
00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 2: do something here.

651
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 1: Yes, one percent.

652
00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 3: And I think the one thing that I really appreciated

653
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 3: from from Joe Pohlad on down it was the fact

654
00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 3: that when I went in, and you know, I came

655
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 3: into this situation and this was like any different interview

656
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 3: process that I've ever been part of, and actually I

657
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 3: thought it was going to hurt me.

658
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: Fully transparent. I don't think I've said that.

659
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: I don't know if I'm supposed to say that but

660
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:35,280
Speaker 3: I'm saying it like I thought it was going to

661
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 3: hurt me, like they're familiar with who Chelty is, they

662
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: know who we are, and there was the pleasantries of

663
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: like an interview, and manager interviews are challenging, they're long,

664
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,720
Speaker 3: they're tedious, and you meet with a ton of different

665
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: groups and they're back to back they fire stuff at you,

666
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 3: and I really kind of thought it was going to

667
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: hurt me being familiar with me, like, Okay, they know

668
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: who I am. Well, there was no pleasantries. There was

669
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 3: not you know, if it's a a sixty minute blocker

670
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 3: or seventy five minutes, there was not the ten minutes

671
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: of hey, how are you get to know you? It

672
00:30:04,800 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 3: was like, let's go, yeah, boom, let's go, what have

673
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: you learned? We knew you before? What are you doing now?

674
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 3: You didn't have certain success?

675
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: Why not?

676
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 3: Like those questions were asked, and I appreciated that part

677
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 3: of it because I really at one point thought, oh,

678
00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 3: they're familiar with me, that's going to hurt me on

679
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 3: the front end of this, and it actually led to

680
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: a way more in depth managerial interview and I had

681
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 3: been had interviewed in other places. I mean, I got

682
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 3: the one job. I had been other places that I

683
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 3: had interviewed for jobs and ultimately not got them, but

684
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 3: it was the most intense interviews that I had been through.

685
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: And then the other thing, and again going back to

686
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 3: the conversation with Joe. The first thing I said to

687
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 3: Joe was like, what's on the table that I can

688
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:48,120
Speaker 3: ask you? And his response to me, you can ask

689
00:30:48,200 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 3: me anything, And I was like, all right, if we're

690
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: going to have the open dialogue about that, then this

691
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: is a place that I want to be.

692
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 2: We used to have Jack Morris on this show pretty

693
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:04,360
Speaker 2: regularly during baseball season, and he had come to the conclusion,

694
00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,240
Speaker 2: and for a while he was also doing some Twins

695
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 2: TV games out a bunch but doing some of those

696
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:14,480
Speaker 2: games as well, and he strongly believed that this regime

697
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: that that still runs the team pushed most of the

698
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: buttons that that that this organization believed in approach that

699
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,320
Speaker 2: I think a lot of you know, organizations have taken,

700
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,920
Speaker 2: which is all right, Yeah, a manager matters, but we're

701
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: gonna put a lot of things in front of him,

702
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: and a lot of we're gonna push a lot of

703
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 2: the buttons more than the days of Sparky Anderson does

704
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: whatever the hell he wants to do. Tom Kelly does

705
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: whatever the hell he wants to do. And he said,

706
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: because I remember asking a couple times about how do

707
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 2: you evaluate Rocco, he said, well, I'm not sure because

708
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: I my sense of it is is that they come

709
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 2: to him and say, here's what we're going to do

710
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: and so forth, and it's you're just sort of like

711
00:31:56,120 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 2: executing whatever their plan is. So what do you do?

712
00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 1: You do you bide by that.

713
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: Abide by that philosophy that indeed that's the position you're in.

714
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 2: Do you feel like you're going to have the independence

715
00:32:09,640 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: you need? Are you okay signing up if indeed that

716
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: is the new reality for a lot of organizations as

717
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 2: in terms of how they handle their managers.

718
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, well so I think there's multi layers to that.

719
00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 3: Number One, there's way more information in the game today,

720
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 3: right wrong or different? Like right wrong, there's more information

721
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 3: in the world rather, I mean, like, you know, ten

722
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 3: years ago, the Lions weren't going forward on fourth down

723
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:35,440
Speaker 3: when it's fourth and eight, you know what I mean. Like, so,

724
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 3: like there's a lot more information in the world today,

725
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,840
Speaker 3: regardless of sport, regardless of society, like it just it's

726
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 3: what's happened. I can tell you that there was never

727
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 3: a time when I managed in Pittsburgh. There was never

728
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 3: a time in the two years I was here with

729
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 3: two different managers that anything was ever dictated to the managers.

730
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 3: There was nothing ever dictated to Molly that I saw.

731
00:32:57,040 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 3: There was nothing ever dictated to Roco I was in Pittsburgh.

732
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 3: There was never anything dictated. Are there suggestions? One hundred percent?

733
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 3: But just like your boss here, I assume at some

734
00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 3: point makes suggestions to you. Sometimes you take them, sometimes

735
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 3: you not and say thank you for the suggestion. And

736
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 3: I'm going to do this. That is one hundred percent

737
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,720
Speaker 3: what I expect. There will be no one making the

738
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 3: decisions but me. Will I take information one hundred percent?

739
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: Will I process it?

740
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: Yes?

741
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 3: Will I take information from one of my coaches that

742
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,840
Speaker 3: may have no analytical thoughts at all, because I'm going

743
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 3: to have a different group of guys that it'll come

744
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 3: to me and say like, hey, have you thought about this? No,

745
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,719
Speaker 3: I have not thought about that, you know. I mean

746
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 3: a couple of times I had writers in Pittsburgh tell

747
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 3: me things and I was like, damn, that's actually.

748
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: Pretty good idea.

749
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 3: You know, so like that part of it is I

750
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 3: think is kind of blown up in the game. I mean,

751
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 3: I watched Joe Madden manage for five years and everybody said, Okay,

752
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 3: Andrew Friedman's telling him this. I watched him run a

753
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 3: game and not talk to anybody, and he's a genius

754
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 3: at what's going on during the game and a master

755
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 3: and watching his eyes. So I think that is overblown

756
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:06,720
Speaker 3: a little bit in the game today of where it's at.

757
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 3: I understand, yeah, where it comes from, and I respect that,

758
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 3: but in no way have I ever been told, hey,

759
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 3: you need to do X, Y and Z. And then

760
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,200
Speaker 3: the other thing is once the game starts, there's so

761
00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 3: many different factors that go into play that I mean,

762
00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 3: this isn't you know nineteen eighty seven or No. Seventy

763
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 3: eight when George Steinbrenner is calling Billy Martin in the

764
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 3: dugout and saying take this guy out, Like you know,

765
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:32,040
Speaker 3: that doesn't happen. So I think the factor of the

766
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 3: game still played by human beings and the fact that

767
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: there's so much that goes on during the game that

768
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 3: changes off, Like it would be great if we could

769
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 3: chart out like this is going to happen during the game,

770
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 3: and then someone wants to tell you how to react

771
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 3: to it. That'd make my job, you know, that would

772
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: not be a glutton for punishment. That'd be a lot

773
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 3: more fun. But in no way is that happening the Derek.

774
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 2: Shelton baseball philosophy. So you're clearly a person who gets

775
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 2: that there's more information, and you're not afraid of it,

776
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 2: You're not intimidated by it. There's a balancing act I

777
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 2: think most managers agree, where you can't let it overwhelm you.

778
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 1: You have to use it as a tool.

779
00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: And I'm sure that's that's a difficult balancing act and

780
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: different managers probably come to different conclusions on it. But

781
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 2: you know, the contrary position is sort of you can

782
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,319
Speaker 2: have all these stats, but I know this guy, I

783
00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: know this player of mine, and I know this situation,

784
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 2: and my gut tells me this is the guy I'm

785
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: going to keep up to the to come to the

786
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: plate in this situation, regardless of these numbers that tell

787
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: me no, no, no, no, you should not be using him.

788
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,560
Speaker 2: So how do you go about what's the Shelton philosophy

789
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 2: on it?

790
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,399
Speaker 3: I love that question because I'm gonna I'm gonna throw

791
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:45,839
Speaker 3: this back at you a little bit because I've I

792
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 3: started to do some radio stuff. Yeah, And the thing

793
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 3: in the game today is it's because you have the numbers,

794
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: so it's.

795
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: Easy to second guess.

796
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 3: If I do let someone hit, Yes, I do let

797
00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 3: someone hit because my gut says like, hey, this guy's

798
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 3: going to get it done tonight, all right, that the

799
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 3: first question after the game is going to be like.

800
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,239
Speaker 1: Why did you do that? Because do you see these numbers? Yes?

801
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 3: So it's funny how people like to talk about, Okay,

802
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:13,719
Speaker 3: you make decisions, but then the first question is why

803
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 3: you didn't make it, especially if it goes wrong, especially

804
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 3: if it goes wrong. Now, if it goes right, it's like, yes,

805
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:20,880
Speaker 3: oh man, he played his gut and it's great. If

806
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 3: if it doesn't go right, it's like, does this guy

807
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 3: even understand the numbers? So I think there's the ying

808
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,040
Speaker 3: and the yng now because honestly, the media is so

809
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 3: well educated on what the numbers are, and you guys

810
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 3: have access to him too, And I learned that and

811
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 3: like I said, I did this, I did it the

812
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 3: hard way, and then for four months, yeah, you're doing

813
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 3: XM I'm like.

814
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: Why are they doing this? Like what you know? It's easy.

815
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: So I think the best one of the best pieces

816
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: advice I got was from Don Zimmer when I worked

817
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 3: for the Rays and what he told me in Zim

818
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:51,680
Speaker 3: hated numbers.

819
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 1: He hated numbers. What a character the best.

820
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 3: But the one thing he said, he said, regardless of

821
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: what you do, may make sure you're okay with it

822
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,759
Speaker 3: because you're the one that's going to stand up at

823
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,399
Speaker 3: the end of the day and you're the one that's

824
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:09,160
Speaker 3: going to have to answer the question. So when I

825
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,359
Speaker 3: make a decision this year during the season and it's

826
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 3: with my gut and it doesn't go well, and the

827
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 3: first question that I'm asked is like, well, hey, the

828
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,839
Speaker 3: numbers said this, I'm probably not going to say, oh yeah,

829
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:22,799
Speaker 3: that was my gut feeling. I'm like, yeah, you're right,

830
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: you know it didn't work out that way. You know,

831
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,359
Speaker 3: I had trust in the player. You know, something did

832
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 3: that regard. So that's where you're taking in information all

833
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 3: the time. But like you also have to watch the

834
00:37:32,760 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 3: game and then that's where the communication with your player

835
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 3: group is. You have to know your players or trust

836
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 3: your staff and say like, hey, this is going to

837
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:43,279
Speaker 3: work out. And then sometimes I mean quite honestly, you'll

838
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:45,959
Speaker 3: look at your pitching coach or hitting coach, our bench coach.

839
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: That's why bench coach is the best job in the game.

840
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 3: You can't give as much advice as you want and

841
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 3: no onility, but like you look at him and like, hey,

842
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 3: what do you got here? And they're like, hey, you

843
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 3: should let this guy hit, and you're like, you're right,

844
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 3: you know, you're convicted because of that, and then it

845
00:37:58,560 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 3: doesn't work out.

846
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,359
Speaker 1: I'm answering the question that night.

847
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 3: So I think there's the ying and the yang there,

848
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: because the first thing that you could do on your

849
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:08,800
Speaker 3: show is like, what was he doing?

850
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: Why didn't he do that?

851
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 3: And if I called you and said I went with

852
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 3: my gut, you'd be like, yeah, that's but why didn't you?

853
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: Does that make that one hundred percent very true? One

854
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: more segment, Let's get one more break in.

855
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: We've got one more segment with the new Twins manager,

856
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 2: Derek Sheldon. Kind of have to join us in studio

857
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: back with some texts.

858
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 1: Neck.

859
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: Derek Shelton is in studio with us, the new Minnesota

860
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 2: Twins manager. I'd had a couple texts Derek from people

861
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,160
Speaker 2: wondering whether you your style in terms of dealing with

862
00:39:08,200 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: the umpires was to go guardy on the bit and

863
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 2: get thrown out every other game, or a little more

864
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,560
Speaker 2: low key like Tom Kelly who rarely got thrown out

865
00:39:15,560 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 2: of the game.

866
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:18,480
Speaker 1: Where are you in that mix? I'm probably in between.

867
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 3: Guardy's in the category is very much respectfully by himself. Yeah,

868
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 3: very very I mean Guardy Bobby Cox. Yeah, maybe Aaron

869
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: Boone is the modern day that's true of that. So

870
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 3: I am I am a little bit in between of

871
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:32,240
Speaker 3: both those guys.

872
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: That's it.

873
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: And so tell me about did you have one though

874
00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 2: that l Yeah, I got one.

875
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 3: I had one in uh was before I knew what

876
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,239
Speaker 3: John Boy was, and Jackson, my oldest, was like, Dad,

877
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: you made it.

878
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:44,439
Speaker 1: You're on John Boy.

879
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 3: But it was in Tampa and I live in in

880
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 3: the you know, Saint Pete, Tampa area, and it was

881
00:39:50,320 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: the first game of a series, and my wife had it.

882
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:55,600
Speaker 3: But we had about forty five people there and I

883
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 3: got ejected into third inning. So we were on the

884
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 3: hook for a lot of tickets, not not that people

885
00:40:00,880 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 3: are coming to see you manage. We talked about investment.

886
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 3: I got it in the third inning. And there's two

887
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 3: parts of this story that are great. The first part

888
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,480
Speaker 3: is and you can go on YouTube. It's pretty good.

889
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: And I got all four umpires. I started with the

890
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 3: homeplate umpire. This was the first year of the clock,

891
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 3: and it turned into a clock. I thought the clock

892
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 3: was being manipulated. I got the homeplate umpire. Then I

893
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 3: got the third base umpire pretty good, and then the

894
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,239
Speaker 3: second base umpire bumped me. I screamed at the first

895
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,280
Speaker 3: base umpire for no reason whatsoever.

896
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:34,920
Speaker 1: So then you.

897
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: Know, I got ejected. It's the third inning. My wife

898
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 3: text me, it was like what are you doing? What

899
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 3: are you doing? And then the funny thing is is

900
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 3: my middle daughter was at the concession stand and getting

901
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,879
Speaker 3: food and she had like a whole thing of food

902
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,319
Speaker 3: and the TVs are over the concession and she said

903
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 3: to she said to the lady as she was checking out,

904
00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 3: she was like, oh my god. And the lady was like, honey,

905
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 3: do you not have enough money for the food.

906
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 1: And she's like, no, that's my dad.

907
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 3: So so yeah, so that my wife was not happy

908
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 3: with me. My daughter got embarrassed getting hot dogs and sodas,

909
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 3: and but it was a good one.

910
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: I got my money's worth it. That's that's really I

911
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 1: literally got my money's worth it.

912
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 2: By the way, are you Maybe we can deal with

913
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 2: this later, hopefully, because there's a lot more ground to

914
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: covery we're not gonna be able to cover today.

915
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:22,520
Speaker 1: But are you?

916
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 2: I think the pitch clock has been a rousing success,

917
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: notwithstanding whether it was being manipulated in the case you

918
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 2: were talking about. I think it's done exactly what the

919
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 2: game needed.

920
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,279
Speaker 1: Were you do you? Are you in favor I love

921
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: board with it or do you love it?

922
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 3: I think it's I think once we got the glitches,

923
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 3: I think there's still some ways that it can be

924
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 3: manipulated a little bit, But the actual overall feint experience

925
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 3: of it, I think is great. It's made the game

926
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,239
Speaker 3: go back to way the game we loved when you

927
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 3: and I were growing up. That it's I mean, you know,

928
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 3: Mike Cargrove used to slow it down. Yeah, human rain, Yeah,

929
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 3: but like it wasn't We don't need to see a

930
00:41:56,760 --> 00:42:00,480
Speaker 3: guy step out of the box for thirty seconds between pitches.

931
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 3: It's done nothing with arm injuries, which they thought it

932
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 3: was going to do something with arm injuries. I think

933
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:07,279
Speaker 3: it has made the game much more watchable and much

934
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: more fan friendly. Personally, I agree totally.

935
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,800
Speaker 2: Speaking of the current state of the game, we should

936
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 2: at least briefly touch on the World Series just concluded.

937
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 1: I think I saw the stats today.

938
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:22,359
Speaker 2: A most watched World Series game or Baseball game I

939
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 2: think in like thirty or forty years was Game seven.

940
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 1: I'm curious to get your view of it.

941
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: I thought we talked about it a lot, especially Games

942
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 2: six and seven, that when it reaches you know, I

943
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 2: we try to cover all the sports. Basketball has tended

944
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 2: to be my sport, but I will admit when baseball

945
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: theater gets that good like that series eventually did. I

946
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 2: don't think any other sport can compare to it.

947
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 4: Did.

948
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:51,399
Speaker 1: What did you make of it? What did you think?

949
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 3: I agree it was the best World Series of my lifetime.

950
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 3: I think the fact that we got seven games, we

951
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 3: got the two best teams, which you know sometimes that

952
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 3: doesn't happen. Times you get the fact that someone gets

953
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 3: hot and they go into it.

954
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: But this may be a weird take.

955
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 3: But the thing I loved about it, and I love

956
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 3: this from the teaching aspect of the game and moving forward,

957
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,759
Speaker 3: is there were so many little plays that ended up

958
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 3: determining if the game.

959
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:17,560
Speaker 1: Was won or lost.

960
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 3: And in my mind as I'm watching this, I'm thinking

961
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,879
Speaker 3: next year in spring training talking about the four depth,

962
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 3: talking about base running, of getting doubled off on a

963
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,759
Speaker 3: line drive when that run matters, how you take your

964
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 3: lead at third base and where it's at little things

965
00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 3: that ended up being the determining factor of if you

966
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 3: were a World Series champion. It's so easy to go

967
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:40,759
Speaker 3: into Fort Myers this year and talk about little things

968
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 3: and then highlight like, listen, guys, this was the determining

969
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 3: factor of a World Series. So like, these are the

970
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 3: things that should be that should be important to us.

971
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,440
Speaker 3: I mean, it's what the Tom Kelly teams did so

972
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 3: well here. But like when you have it at the

973
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 3: end of a you know, end of this season, like

974
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 3: you said, last game, everybody's watching, every player's watching, and

975
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 3: then you're talking about or even the tag that Mickey

976
00:44:03,960 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 3: Rojas made, those little things come into play, and I think, again,

977
00:44:08,920 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 3: this goes back to the reflection of things I should

978
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:14,200
Speaker 3: have done better previously, like did we focus enough on

979
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 3: those things?

980
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 1: And it was a great World Series to watch.

981
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:19,400
Speaker 2: Well, you mentioned Rojas to me that The other thing

982
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 2: that separates baseball from the other sports in the postseason

983
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 2: is the number of times a non superstar ends up

984
00:44:27,800 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 2: making the biggest defensive play, hits the home at, whatever

985
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 2: the case may be.

986
00:44:32,600 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 1: That's to me part of the charm of it.

987
00:44:33,960 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: How many times is that we've seen that happen over

988
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,320
Speaker 2: and over again, and it happens occasionally in football and

989
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,319
Speaker 2: basketball and hockey, but nowhere near is off.

990
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't.

991
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we both grew up in Chicago.

992
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,240
Speaker 3: I grew up in Chicago. At the height of Jordan.

993
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 3: You knew Jordan was getting the ball like it at

994
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 3: all those times. And I legitimately the Migi Rojas thing,

995
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,840
Speaker 3: like when he hit the home run. I said to

996
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 3: my wife, I'm like, if Rojas gets on here like

997
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 3: Otani's coming to play, they're going to be in trouble.

998
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,879
Speaker 3: In no way think Rojas is going yard day and

999
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:04,879
Speaker 3: that's going to tie the game. I'm thinking, like they

1000
00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 3: better not get to show hey and then show hey.

1001
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:10,800
Speaker 3: You know, grounds out weekly. So I think those factors

1002
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 3: is what makes this game beautiful.

1003
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:12,720
Speaker 1: No question.

1004
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 2: One text I want to get to this comes from Matt. No,

1005
00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:18,840
Speaker 2: that's not the one I'm looking for. They're coming in

1006
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,920
Speaker 2: so fast that I got to scroll down. I should

1007
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: have favored it earlier with Shelty See already got a

1008
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: good vibe with you talking about attention to detail. Can

1009
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,360
Speaker 2: we expect more small ball this next season? Is a

1010
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 2: huge baseball guy. I think it's a lost art. I

1011
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 2: missed the Twins Piranha days, so to speak, under guard,

1012
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: under garden, higher and how we play small ball, et cetera.

1013
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 2: I think we need to get more of that back

1014
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 2: in the game, especially with the Twins.

1015
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: That I'm hoping we will see it.

1016
00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 2: I'll add to that if you wanted to, can you

1017
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 2: does the game allow you to play it that way?

1018
00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: What do you think?

1019
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 3: Well, I think there's different definitions of small ball. If

1020
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 3: you're talking about bunning, I think a little bit of

1021
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 3: that comes to your personnel. So and that's where I'm

1022
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: going because I think a lot of people initially go

1023
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 3: to that factor, and I think we're seeing it come

1024
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 3: back in certain areas where it is important, whether it's

1025
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 3: the bunt for the hit or the sacrifice. A little

1026
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 3: bit of that has to go with what your personnel is.

1027
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 3: And for me to be answered to answer that fully

1028
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 3: I don't know yet because I don't know what our

1029
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,520
Speaker 3: personnel is going to be like. But we are going

1030
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 3: to situationally be way more aware. And for me to

1031
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 3: talk about what happened last year, I can't do that

1032
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 3: and I should not do that because I was not here.

1033
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 3: I'm just talking about my experience in the game. I

1034
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 3: do think the fact we're going to be aggressive on

1035
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 3: the basis, I think that's very important. I do think

1036
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,400
Speaker 3: that there's some guys on this team that have the

1037
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 3: ability to affect the game in that way. So if

1038
00:46:38,040 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 3: that's small ball, yeah, I plan on doing that. I

1039
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 3: think the Piranha portion that I took out of those

1040
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 3: years of those teams with Guardy because I was in

1041
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,840
Speaker 3: Cleveland during those years, is you felt like there was

1042
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 3: pressure all the time.

1043
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: And I love that.

1044
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 3: So if that's the factor that that gentleman's talking about, yeah,

1045
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 3: I want we want other teams to feel pressure.

1046
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 2: You mentioned starting pitch and how important that is to you,

1047
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 2: and I think we'll all agree it's still very vital.

1048
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: And I know you're not going to answer. You're not

1049
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 2: going to give us the answer to all the questions,

1050
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 2: but I'll try it this way. Do you feel like,

1051
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 2: even if you can't tell us that, you know that

1052
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,200
Speaker 2: Pablo Lopez and Joe Ryan will be a part of

1053
00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:20,760
Speaker 2: your rotation.

1054
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,880
Speaker 1: I'm planning on them being part of our rotation.

1055
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,360
Speaker 3: That's what all my off season planning is planning on

1056
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 3: them being at the top. I've talked to both Pablo

1057
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,600
Speaker 3: and Joe. I'm excited about Pablo and Joe being part

1058
00:47:30,640 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 3: of our rotation. I think that's going to be a

1059
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 3: strength of our team because of the depth. I know

1060
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,799
Speaker 3: a lot of people, like wanted to highlight that we

1061
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 3: traded so many people at the deadline. We also brought

1062
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 3: back Abel and Todds Bradley. TODs Bradley's got really good stuff.

1063
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,319
Speaker 3: Abel's got really good stuff. So you know, when you

1064
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,319
Speaker 3: make those trades, that hurts. I understand that wasn't here.

1065
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 3: I'm looking at how we're going to reap the benefits

1066
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 3: of the fact of the guys we got back. But

1067
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 3: right now I'm planning on those guys being in our rotation.

1068
00:47:58,520 --> 00:47:59,400
Speaker 3: Welcome back to town.

1069
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:01,880
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Thank you, Thanks for giving us time. We

1070
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 1: hope we can do it again. We will definitely do

1071
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,520
Speaker 1: it again. Thank you for having Twin's.

1072
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:07,880
Speaker 2: New manager Derek Shelton kind enough to join us. How

1073
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 2: about an old Golpher coach. No, I don't mean he's old,

1074
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 2: I mean he used to be a Gopher football coach.

1075
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: Glenn Mason is next in studio here in the