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Speaker 2: Hello Garry, Jeff Walker checking in for another night. Pat

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Speaker 2: On seven hundred WLW. Great to be with you on

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Speaker 2: this Tuesday evening. Last night, Savior Basketball ran over, so

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Speaker 2: we didn't get our conversation in with my friend Pete

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Speaker 2: Whitty west Side Pete Whitty, mister Cincinnati. We'll be talking

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Speaker 2: to him in just moments and as the night progresses,

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Speaker 2: the fur ball will be here a little sports for

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Speaker 2: the out of sorts, and who knows what he's going

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Speaker 2: to talk about. It may not be sports related at all.

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Speaker 2: Jim Rinecy on the impending government shutdown. I was hav

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Speaker 2: him on when there's a government shutdown. Dave Hatter with

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Speaker 2: some tech talk tonight. David Cancio with some interesting perspectives

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Speaker 2: on the Beltway politic and Gregory Wrightstone from the CO

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Speaker 2: two Coalition. We'll be joining us before the stroke of midnight.

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Speaker 2: Plus we will give you a revision, not really a revision,

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Speaker 2: but a replay of Saturday Mornings Rock and Roll Archaeology

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Speaker 2: with the music professor Jim Lebarbara. That happens just a

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Speaker 2: tadbit after ten o'clock tonight. It's the nightcap and my

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Speaker 2: conversation with Pete Whitty coming up next on seven hundred

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Speaker 2: WLW out of the Shoot tonight is a guy that

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Speaker 2: I haven't talked to on the air. For guy a

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Speaker 2: couple of years maybe, but he's been on the Nightcap before.

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Speaker 2: His brother was on detailing his fifty state tour of

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Speaker 2: the country, which was kind of a cool conversation. But

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Speaker 2: Pete Whitty has and I've been on Pete's podcast back

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Speaker 2: when he I don't know if he's still doing a podcast.

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Speaker 1: We'll find out in just a moment.

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Speaker 2: Pete Whitty, the West Side's own Pete Whitty is with us.

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Speaker 2: And you sent me an invitation to a big event

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Speaker 2: you're having in March.

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Speaker 3: Pete, correct, what is our annual Witty Fest held at

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Speaker 3: Price So Chili, which is always always on the first

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Speaker 3: Friday of the NCAA Men's basketball tournament, March Madness And

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Speaker 3: so you got it. Yes, What started out as just

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Speaker 3: a casual gathering some twenty years ago or so to

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Speaker 3: watch basketball all day, you know, it's always a fun

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Speaker 3: thing to do, then started to grow as we invited

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Speaker 3: And it has kind of ballooned into just an all

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Speaker 3: day party that starts at twelve.

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Speaker 4: Noon and goes as late as you can handle it.

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Speaker 1: So, uh, that's that's a Saturday, right.

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Speaker 3: No, it is Friday. Is March twentieth. Friday, March twentieth.

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Speaker 4: Okay, at Pryso.

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Speaker 3: Chilling starts at twelve noon and we just have a

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Speaker 3: great time hanging out with friends, family, business associates, customers,

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Speaker 2: God, not those not radio personalities. You want to ruin

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Speaker 2: the whole day?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my god, well right, I mean wait to put

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Speaker 3: with radio personalities and politicians.

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Speaker 5: Oh god, he actually would want.

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Speaker 4: To go to this party.

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Speaker 2: Well, and how narcissistic that you named it after yourself.

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Speaker 1: That's nice.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know what, it never had a name until,

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Speaker 3: you know, after fifteen years of it. Then somebody coined

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Speaker 3: that phrase and it just.

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Speaker 4: Kind of stuck and we ran with it.

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Speaker 2: So all right, Well, the Saturday Morning Anniversary, the Saturday

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Speaker 2: Morning Edition Anniversary, the show that I've been doing now

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Speaker 2: for twenty nine years on this station, that's coming up

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Speaker 2: on the twenty first of this month. So likewise, I

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Speaker 2: will return your invitation, your kind invitation for Witty Fest

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Speaker 2: with you want to come to the party on Saturday.

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Speaker 5: I think I've attended that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I've attended that once or twice before.

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Speaker 3: Always a fun time. Many recognizable faces show up for

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Speaker 5: My way over there.

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Speaker 2: Well, not not many radio personalities, just the ones that

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Speaker 1: Just a lot of good people, and I would consider

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Speaker 3: So well, I appreciate that. It's very salt of the

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Speaker 3: It's a great party, it really is. So so what's

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Speaker 3: far in twenty twenty six, pete, anything of note? Well,

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Speaker 3: the one thing I can say is clearly ten twelve

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Speaker 3: some crime. So yeah, I don't think we've had near

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Speaker 1: Well when the criminals take it out of the house.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, true, So maybe there is a side benefit to this.

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Speaker 3: But I will say, you know, other than that, it

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Speaker 4: Of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: Controversies or uh, you know, any big stories that have

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, the only thing that's going on is

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Speaker 3: problems with one party rule. They they're now getting elected

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Speaker 3: other offices. So that's the only little hiccup I see

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Speaker 3: in local politics is that we've got at this point

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Speaker 3: for other offices. So we're not even a two months

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Speaker 5: Uh away we go.

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Speaker 3: Uh So I'm interested to watch that one running for

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Speaker 3: statewide office, Walsh running for Ohio State Treasurer, and then

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Speaker 3: Mika Owens in a very interesting move announcing that he's

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Speaker 3: going to run for county commission against a fellow Democrats.

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Speaker 3: So maybe the Dam's going to start kind of eating

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Speaker 2: Who was a dude who was running for Ohio Attorney

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Speaker 1: What was that all about it?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, Yeah, that guy, how what lunacy?

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Speaker 3: My understanding though, is even the Democrat Party has tried

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Speaker 1: Well in Virginia.

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Speaker 2: In Virginia they voted in a guy an age who

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Speaker 2: in this day and age. Pete, It's crazy.

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Speaker 3: No, that is crazy, And how that is not an

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Speaker 5: In the in the world and in our home of.

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Speaker 3: Ohio, the United States. There's all of that, Like, how

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Speaker 3: is this possible? Someone can verbalize literally threatening to kill

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Speaker 4: It's not it's not a good thing. And I don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let's see this guy also listed.

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Speaker 2: I was I was looking at the Democratic candidates that

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Speaker 2: were also listed. Huh Now, anyway, Elliott Foran was the

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Speaker 2: who's the current auditor of the state, who was running

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Speaker 2: out of the Republican side. Fiji Police Chief Thiji, how

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Speaker 2: did you feel about all that when that went down?

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Speaker 2: Did do you feel like she was fairly targeted and

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Speaker 2: your read on that. It's been a while, but just curious.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I you know, listen, I don't think that

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Speaker 5: Been on a hot streak.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know, like how favorable you know, she

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Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense, whether it's private.

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Speaker 5: Or public sector.

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Speaker 2: It sounds like the lawfair that was conducted against President

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Speaker 2: let's yeah, let's arrest him and then we'll do the

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Speaker 3: We'll come up with all the evidence post all that. No,

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Speaker 3: that's ridiculous and that is not a well run city

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Speaker 3: how is this even remotely possible? No one who works

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Speaker 5: Not a great look, but that's.

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Speaker 1: In purview of the city and manager, isn't it.

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Speaker 3: And I would think that if I were a city

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Speaker 3: and so not hearing city council obviously the mayor went

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Speaker 3: question like the backwards nature of all of this. It's

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Speaker 3: but how she's been treated is completely wrong. It's not

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Speaker 5: In any level.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you're a fry cook at a McDonald's

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Speaker 3: don't get let go, and then hey, we're going to

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Speaker 4: That's ridiculous.

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Speaker 2: Pete Witty, let me ask you about the payout to

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Speaker 2: the Hinton family and how grecious. Again I'm not a

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Speaker 2: looking in, I'm going, how how do they justify laying

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Speaker 3: Listen, it is starting to pay big time to be

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Speaker 3: a criminal in the city of Cincinnating And I just

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Speaker 3: setting precedent after precedent on who you're willing to pay off,

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Speaker 1: You're a life longer, You're a West Side guy, Pete Whitty.

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Speaker 2: Today was the day of pitchers and catchers report to

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean it's all we got, you know, here

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Speaker 5: Need to do that.

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Speaker 2: Oh did you suffer through any of the Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: Like everyone else did. The game stunk. That was as

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it proved to be right again, Yes it did.

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Speaker 3: I am not, but I am thinking about bringing it back,

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Speaker 2: Well, let let me let me give you a clue.

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Speaker 3: That's a good that's that's probably a good point. So,

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Speaker 4: That's the one big challenge.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know what a polite society is a well

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Speaker 2: you if you're not, guess what, Guess what's coming next?

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Speaker 2: Pete Whitty, we're out of time. Thank you so much

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Speaker 4: Let's stay in touch, buddy.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely witty fest on what.

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Speaker 2: The Nightcap continues with Doctor Carroll next. See that's that's

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Speaker 8: Bowl first. The halftime show to me was amazing. Really,

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Speaker 1: If you think about that, honey, and you might feel more?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 2: It might be you know, they might know you're coming.

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Speaker 8: Maybe I'm corny, Okay, I guys, people enjoyed mister Bunny.

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Speaker 8: But the point is this, I mean, I don't think

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Speaker 2: Wasn't wasn't mister Bunny a puppet on Captain Kangaroo. That

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Speaker 6: I'll do something.

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Speaker 8: My time, time is money. Okay, go ahead, here's the deal.

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Speaker 8: But the media kills it and you hit it on

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Speaker 8: know the media people ask Tito of the Reds, the

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Speaker 8: leave politics out of the Olympics. I know it's difficult,

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Speaker 6: Please?

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Speaker 2: Andy, It's not difficult to leave politics out of the Olympics,

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Speaker 2: They do it purposefully because media has become a one

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Speaker 8: And it doesn't pertain to the Olympics.

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Speaker 8: Percentage of those athletes who don't even know what ice

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Speaker 8: is besides that they skate on it.

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Speaker 1: Well, he's the winner of Olympics. Everybody knows what ice is.

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Speaker 8: I'm talking about though, really, but I'll be honest, I mean,

444
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Speaker 8: really and truly, A lot of the journalists, like we

445
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Speaker 8: use that with quotation marks, A lot of the journalists

446
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Speaker 8: covering the Olympics, at least from the US of A,

447
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,439
Speaker 8: are not sports related people. So maybe they don't know

448
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Speaker 8: the sports angle or this sports in question. I mean,

449
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Speaker 8: I don't think a lot of these people, even sports people,

450
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Speaker 8: cover those sporting events. They cover them every two years

451
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Speaker 8: at the Olympics.

452
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Speaker 2: And here's another illustration of their bias. They're not asking

453
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Speaker 2: the Chinese athletes about the slave labor, about the incarceration

454
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Speaker 2: of the Muslim wiguers in their own country, about everything

455
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Speaker 2: that's going on in communists China that the rest of

456
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Speaker 2: the world abhors, but is going on every day. They

457
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Speaker 2: don't ask the Chinese about that. They don't ask the

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Speaker 2: Japanese who have been in page.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I'm

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Speaker 8: with you there. But you know what, I don't blame

461
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Speaker 8: so much to the media people because they're just doing

462
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Speaker 8: it and maybe they want to get clicks, they want

463
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Speaker 8: to get a story, they want to get whoever it

464
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Speaker 8: might be. But I blame the pr people who run

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Speaker 8: the Olympics, and they should tell the media prior to

466
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Speaker 8: the events, before they go on the stand, before they

467
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Speaker 8: get interviews, say this is an interview based on performance,

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Speaker 8: only on their athletics.

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Speaker 6: That's it.

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Speaker 8: We were not taking questions on politics or political issues

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Speaker 8: without doing that. So at the Olympic Committee of the US,

472
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Speaker 8: if they can do that, they can, but they won't

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Speaker 8: do it.

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Speaker 6: Maybe they're too.

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Speaker 4: Stupid to do it.

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Speaker 8: But I don't know why that don't do it. I'm

477
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Speaker 8: not interested where the figure skater has to say about ice,

478
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Speaker 8: except that the ice may have been too wet to

479
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Speaker 8: skate on. I don't know, it wasn't hard enough.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: That's all I'm interested.

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Speaker 1: No, it's it's one of those gotcha questions, and I

483
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Speaker 1: don't think. Plus, you're on foreign.

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Speaker 5: Soil one the other day.

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Speaker 8: I mean, I'm a media person from NBC.

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Speaker 5: I believe.

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Speaker 8: It was asked Tony Dungee and Tony Jound was asked

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Speaker 8: prior to the the Super Bowl and they had like

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Speaker 8: that nine hour pregame show on NBC. They said, what

490
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Speaker 8: about Bill Belichick? You know, do you think he should

491
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Speaker 8: have been in the Hall of Fame?

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Speaker 4: I did you vote for him?

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Speaker 8: And Tony Dungee, he's a gentleman. I like Tony Dungee.

494
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Speaker 8: He says, I'm not gonna comment on that. This guy

495
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Speaker 8: went ballistic. Was on social media this I saw that.

496
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Speaker 8: It said that Tony Dungee should be immediately fired on

497
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Speaker 8: NBC because he didn't give an answer. And if you

498
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Speaker 8: don't give an answer, that's what you paid for.

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Speaker 5: And you could can you can.

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Speaker 8: Somebody says you can't create news. No, he's not there

501
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Speaker 8: to create news. He was asked a question and he

502
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Speaker 8: honestly said, I'm not gonna say. I don't wanted to

503
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Speaker 8: comment on that. He probably didn't vote for Belichick, That's

504
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Speaker 8: why he said that. But it's none of anybody's business

505
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Speaker 8: who he voted for. If I was Dungeon. I would

506
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Speaker 8: have come back said, you know what, all right, who

507
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Speaker 8: did you vote for president?

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 8: Why are you asking Tony Dungee this question? And you

510
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Speaker 8: have the audacity to hang it down the balls to

511
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Speaker 8: say in a story today he should get fired again.

512
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Speaker 8: You did it twofold. You didn't want to be the news.

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Speaker 6: Who was going to be the story?

514
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Speaker 2: Who was the guy who had suggested he should be

515
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Speaker 2: fired for not answering a question.

516
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Speaker 8: You know what, it's NBC. All you got to do

517
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Speaker 8: is google it, but I forgot his name. Is not

518
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Speaker 8: about anymore? Mentioned his name because that's what he wants.

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Speaker 5: He did it for twofold.

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Speaker 8: He wanted a story out of Doungee and he wanted

521
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Speaker 8: a story for himself.

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Speaker 2: The guy who said that should be fired. To Andy,

523
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Speaker 2: there are two journalists who aren't journalists at all.

524
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Speaker 1: They're muckrakers.

525
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Speaker 2: And that's the only reason they exist at all is

526
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Speaker 2: because we're in this era, especially on social media, that

527
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Speaker 2: it's just a constant hate and clicks and clicks and likes,

528
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Speaker 2: and there's so much hate and so much stuff that

529
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Speaker 2: is irrelevant to most people. Just to get attention, these

530
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: attention seeking whorees need to at least be defined differently

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Speaker 2: than be called journalists. To me, they ought to be

532
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Speaker 2: called what they are, media whores, parasites.

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Speaker 8: Listen to you, this is just great. I've never seen

534
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Speaker 8: the emotion like this, the flyers coming out of your

535
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Speaker 8: ears right now.

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Speaker 4: I love it.

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Speaker 8: But I want to move on to Black History Month

538
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Speaker 8: because I remember there was a time when it was

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Speaker 8: a big event. This radio station seven hundred really went

540
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Speaker 8: over and above and they brought it heavily, and you know,

541
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Speaker 8: I think it's gone by the wayside, but I will

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Speaker 8: go through the National Football League talking about Black History Month.

543
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Speaker 8: And during this year's a guess coaching cycle, the Arizonaconnells,

544
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Speaker 8: Atlanta Falcons, Buffalo Bills, Baltimore Ravens, Cleveland Browns, the Raiders

545
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 8: of Las Vegas, Dolphins, Giants and Steelers, and Tennessee Titans

546
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 8: all had vacancies the head coaching positions. In total, ten

547
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 8: positions were available a week before the Super Bowl as

548
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 8: the calendars shifted to February. All head coaching open openings

549
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Speaker 8: have been accounted for, and they hired what four whether

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Speaker 8: I think was two two African American I had the

551
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Speaker 8: ten jobs. I think the Robert Sell who was high

552
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Speaker 8: by the Titans the only one, I'm sorry, Robert Sale,

553
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Speaker 8: who was hired by the Titans as head coach of

554
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Speaker 8: is the only minority hired this year. No black head

555
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Speaker 8: coaches were hired. Thank you so much for the Rooney rule,

556
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Speaker 8: which was lip service all right.

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Speaker 2: Well, first and foremost, the African American or Black population

558
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Speaker 2: in this country is still pretty static countrywide at about

559
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Speaker 2: twelve to thirteen percent, okay.

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Speaker 8: But the National Football League at sixty seven percent of

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Speaker 8: Africa I'm.

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Speaker 2: Talking about if you want it to look like the

563
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Speaker 2: rest of the country looks uh, And you're right. I

564
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Speaker 2: think there are probably a lot of qualified black coaches

565
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Speaker 2: who didn't get hired but had nothing to do with

566
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Speaker 2: the color of their skin. Andy, just because the really

567
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Speaker 2: people who were making those decisions decided there was somebody

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Speaker 2: more qualified. It shouldn't be a matter of skin. It

569
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Speaker 2: shouldn't be a matter of skin color. It should be

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Speaker 2: a matter of qualified.

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Speaker 8: Kill Rooney, the Leila Rooney of this Pittsburgh Steell as

572
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Speaker 8: a former owner that created the Rooney rule where you

573
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Speaker 8: should have higher a minority, and honestly saying, without without

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Speaker 8: the asterisk next to that that they don't have to

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Speaker 8: be entirely qualified, but as long as they were a minority.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: Now that DEI crap is going by the wayside as

578
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Speaker 2: it should diversity equity. Inclusion means less equality, Andy, and

579
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Speaker 2: it means that merit doesn't matter. All that matters is

580
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Speaker 2: skin pigmentation, and that is total male bovine fecal samples.

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Speaker 1: I'm so you hire somebody just based on.

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Speaker 9: The color the football league in the National Football League.

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Speaker 4: Too, you.

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Speaker 8: Talk about sixty seven that league is made up of Africa.

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Speaker 5: I understand it doesn't qualified.

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Speaker 9: Aunt doesn't mean that they have more qualified coaches just

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Speaker 9: because the percentage of players is a certain color. And

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Speaker 9: you know what, you know what, you know why there's

589
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Speaker 9: not that as many white players as there are black

590
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Speaker 9: players in the NFL because the black players are measurably

591
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Speaker 9: better at that than the white players. That's why it's

592
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Speaker 9: all about merit. It's not about skin color, Andy, once

593
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Speaker 9: and for all.

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Speaker 8: Geez, you know what if if it is that way,

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Speaker 8: if it's not about skin color, why in fact that

596
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Speaker 8: have called the Rooney rule? Tell me that why do

597
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 8: they put that in place?

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Speaker 2: Because it's everything else that the NFL does that tries

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Speaker 2: to look inclusive and virtue signal that the end racism,

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Speaker 2: in the end zone, the whatever the messages on players helmets,

601
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: it's just it's virtue signaling performance art. So the NFL

602
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 2: can say that they're not a corporate vehem off. That's

603
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 2: only about the money. That's why.

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Speaker 8: Look, according to the Associated Press, I looked.

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Speaker 2: Now you're quoting the Associated Press. That is that even

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Speaker 2: still a new.

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Speaker 5: You know the garbage that you read. He's a legitimate journalist.

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Speaker 8: I mean, come on, really, you're never going down a

609
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Speaker 8: different road here because I tell you what you read

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Speaker 8: and believe you'll take social media stuff to heart.

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Speaker 1: I'm not taking any social media stuff.

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Speaker 9: I'm taking the Epoch Times, the Associated Press.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, right whatever? What it is? Mainstream that's the problem.

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Speaker 2: Mainstream is a lockstep liberal outlet for democrats.

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Speaker 5: You know you don't read mainstream.

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Speaker 1: I do too.

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Speaker 8: If you can't comment on that because you don't read it,

618
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Speaker 8: I do.

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Speaker 4: Read.

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Speaker 2: I read everything, And you know what, The New York

621
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Speaker 2: Times is not mainstream?

622
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Speaker 1: That really is. So anyway, what did the story say?

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Speaker 8: I want to stick with this for a second. I

624
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Speaker 8: want to see you really in the next several weeks,

625
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,200
Speaker 8: get a mainstream or guest on the on your show.

626
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Speaker 8: I get the editor I told you borrow Love, the

627
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Speaker 8: executive editor of the inquir. Get him on your show.

628
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 8: Discuss this with him. Don't discuss it with me. Discuss

629
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Speaker 8: it with him, saying are you mainstream and what makes

630
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 8: you mainstream?

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Speaker 5: You are?

632
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Speaker 4: And just ask him that.

633
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Speaker 1: What did the AP story say that you're read?

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Speaker 8: That's okay? The Associated Press said it's the fifth time

635
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Speaker 8: that no blackhead coaches will hired during a cycle since

636
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 8: the Rooney rule was implemented. Okay, so you know that's

637
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Speaker 8: I'm just saying. I'm just saying this. I'm not saying

638
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Speaker 8: they qualified. I'm not saying they're not qualified. I'm saying

639
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Speaker 8: that there is a rule in place that says they

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Speaker 8: should hire black coaches.

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Speaker 4: And they have not.

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Speaker 8: That's all I'm saying. Okay, it's fact. This is the

643
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Speaker 8: thing of making this pull out of thin air.

644
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Speaker 2: I mean, come on, well, no, no, it's just I'm

645
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: telling you it should not be based on the Rooney

646
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Speaker 2: rule or anything else. It ought to be based on

647
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Speaker 2: merit and who is the best candidate. It doesn't and

648
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Speaker 2: skin colors should never come into the conversation.

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Speaker 1: That's all.

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Speaker 8: Roberts Salon was the best COG guest guy, the guest

651
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 8: talent over there. He was the defensive coordinator for the

652
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 8: forty nine ers. He was fired by the Jets after

653
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 8: like five or six games as head coach, and now

654
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 8: he's hired by the Tennessee Titans. And he's the only one.

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Speaker 2: The Titans think he's the best man for the job,

656
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Speaker 2: and that's all that should matter. And his skin come

657
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Speaker 2: in just because of the Black History Month or because

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Speaker 2: of the Rooney rule.

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Speaker 8: Okay, all I'm saying, I have an idea. Maybe this

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Speaker 8: is the reasoning. I don't know, Maybe I'm wrong. Most

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Speaker 8: of the African Americans and former players who may be

662
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Speaker 8: vying fed coaching BUSI maybe they're on the offensive side

663
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Speaker 8: as assistance, and maybe these teams wanted a defensive guy.

664
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Speaker 4: Maybe that's all I have to think of.

665
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Speaker 8: Okay, there's a lot of these guys are offensive coordinators.

666
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,560
Speaker 8: You know, a lot of African Americans are offensive coordinators,

667
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 8: quarterback coaches whatever. They may be receiving coaches, and they're

668
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 8: on the offensive side of the ball. And maybe these

669
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 8: teams were looking for defensive guys, and especially since they've

670
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 8: seen the success of Seattle and New England, which are

671
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 8: basically strong, defensive minded teams.

672
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Speaker 2: That's well thought out and I couldn't agree with you more.

673
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: And that's a perfect place to stop. Oh good, I'll talk.

674
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 2: To you again during it. I'll talk to you again

675
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 2: during Jewish Appreciation Month.

676
00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:44,200
Speaker 8: Oh my goodness, have a big day.

677
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Speaker 1: You two buy for a ball.

678
00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 2: Oh there's more nightcap ahead, including rock and roll archaeology

679
00:35:52,840 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 2: from this past Saturday with the music Professor and me

680
00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 2: on seven hundred WLW LW.

681
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 10: One is the loneliest number that.

682
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 11: You ever.

683
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 12: Can be as.

684
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:17,520
Speaker 13: Bad as one, It's the loneliest number, says the number

685
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 13: one is the saddest experience you ever know. Yes, the

686
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 13: sad experience you ever know, because one is.

687
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 12: The loneliest number that you ever. One is the loneliest number.

688
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 12: It's just no good at any moms, It's you went with.

689
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 4: Now.

690
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 14: I spend my time just making rise Diesty Day.

691
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: One of the great rock and roll voices of the

692
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 2: late sixties and early seventies past this week to talk

693
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 2: about Chuck Negron, Jim Lebarba, the music Professor, Jimmy that.

694
00:37:57,560 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 15: Was the first record the first first hit record that

695
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 15: came out for their first album, and he really that

696
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 15: was like the only cut he did it where he

697
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,280
Speaker 15: was a singing lead on it. It was really Corey

698
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 15: Wells singing lead. And then Chuck did the lead on

699
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 15: that song. And that's the one that broke through, and

700
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 15: that became their first million selling record and the one

701
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 15: that put them in the game. And he said he

702
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 15: couldn't believe it when he heard it on the radio, said, man,

703
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 15: I didn't know I sang that's well and he didn't

704
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 15: one take. And it was written by Harry Nilsen and

705
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,879
Speaker 15: that was the first of twenty one twenty one top

706
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 15: forty hits, and Gary that it's unbelievable. They are not

707
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 15: in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. People don't

708
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 15: talk about it, but when they were looking for a

709
00:38:34,360 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 15: record label, Jerry Wexler was talking to them, Armored Ertigan

710
00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 15: from Atlantic Records, and both those guys on the board

711
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,959
Speaker 15: of the directors of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

712
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,440
Speaker 15: And I'm sure they had a black ball because they

713
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,200
Speaker 15: signed with the little label out in California, Dunhill Records.

714
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 15: And in spite of their success, they are still not

715
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 15: in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. One of

716
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:53,440
Speaker 15: the great travesties.

717
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Speaker 2: Yeah Chuck passed this week on the playlist from three

718
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 2: Dog Night in Chuck. Negron is a famous song written

719
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: by Hoyd Accident.

720
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 15: Oh Yeah no ho hoy gave him the song. Nobody

721
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 15: liked it. They, I mean, well, the band liked it,

722
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,800
Speaker 15: but Danny Danny Hunton didn't like it. And Corey Welson,

723
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,959
Speaker 15: now it's too said it's silly. It's it's a dumb song.

724
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 15: And it started off Hoyds sang it to them, he said,

725
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 15: and it started off with Jeremiah was a prophet. Well,

726
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 15: they helped him change it and he thought, checked it.

727
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 15: I think we need a silly song to get the

728
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 15: guys together. And when he did the opening line, Jeremiah

729
00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 15: was a bullfrog and he said he needed to scream

730
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,360
Speaker 15: it to make an impact. He had had hog d

731
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:36,839
Speaker 15: note that banged in with the man coming in behind him.

732
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Speaker 4: Man.

733
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Speaker 15: He said it was one of the most other songs.

734
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 15: But he told me, he said, you know whether us

735
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 15: by far not one of our best songs, but it

736
00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 15: became very signature song and that was one he was

737
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 15: very proud of that. He said, you are everywhere, every

738
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 15: big sporting event, every big event that goes on, you

739
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 15: hear that song, and that became their signature song. Spent

740
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 15: six weeks at number one, sold them with fire meion

741
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 15: copies and it was the number one song in that

742
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,279
Speaker 15: whole You're in nineteen sixty one and Chuck nig run

743
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 15: with that super powerful voice, singing lead joy to the world.

744
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Speaker 1: He was nineteen sixty nine.

745
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Speaker 16: Jeremiah was a good frog, was a good friend of mine.

746
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 10: I never understood I said the word he said, but

747
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 10: I felt never drinking.

748
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Speaker 1: A god always had some to the world.

749
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Speaker 10: See in by word the King of the world, tell

750
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Speaker 10: you what I do.

751
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 16: Noway the card on the bomb in the Wall night

752
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 16: sing Love, starting off with three.

753
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 2: From three Dog Night on Rock and Roll Archaeology on

754
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 2: seven hundred w l W, remembering the late Chuck Negron

755
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 2: who had just passed. Uh, there's only only Danny Hutton left, right, Jim.

756
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 15: Yeah, that's all Danny's left there, and the two of

757
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 15: them had a chance to shake their hands and make

758
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:39,359
Speaker 15: up during his final days. He was saying, he talked

759
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 15: to me, Chuck Negron talking to me about it, and

760
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 15: I'll tell you Danny hunting Nick Cooid Walls. When I

761
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,439
Speaker 15: talked to them, they never knocked Chuck. They were never

762
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,840
Speaker 15: really knocked them. He just kind of avoided the subject,

763
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 15: and Chuck never never knocked the guys. He said, look,

764
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 15: I was doing drugs. They kicked me out, they brought

765
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 15: me back. They thought it was clean. I wasn't clean.

766
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 6: I was still doing heroin.

767
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 1: He said.

768
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 15: I spent millions of dollars on heroin. He had a

769
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 15: habit of two thousand and three thousand dollars a day,

770
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 15: and they hit it and then they finally kicked him

771
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 15: out of the band, and he said, no, no, I totally

772
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 15: understand that. I totally understand that. So there was as

773
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,120
Speaker 15: far as he was concerned. He did get clean in

774
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 15: nineteen ninety one. Now, another song they did that was

775
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 15: written by Dave Loggins. It was Chuck Negron singing lead,

776
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 15: but he's the lead singer.

777
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 6: By accident.

778
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 15: They were in London making an album and the guys left,

779
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,960
Speaker 15: Corey Wells and Danny Hutton left, and the guy's doing

780
00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,600
Speaker 15: the msay, wait, wait, we need another song for the album,

781
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 15: and they had this Dave Logins song, and so he

782
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 15: was the only one there. So he sang lead on

783
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 15: this song and became I hit record, but not the

784
00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 15: biggest record that they had. It was a follow up

785
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 15: the Black and White and Dave Logins wrote the song,

786
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,720
Speaker 15: and he said, I wrote it did a very special

787
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 15: time in my life, especially because I met the love

788
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 15: of my life and had recently lost her, and by

789
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 15: chance we were together for three consecutive aprils, and then

790
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 15: she fell for me good left me. Then at that

791
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:58,440
Speaker 15: point I fell for her.

792
00:42:58,560 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 4: She didn't.

793
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 15: She left today. I don't know where she is or

794
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 15: how her life turned out. May is a symbol of

795
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 15: the present. April was and still remains sweet yesterday. I've

796
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 15: never really gotten over April, and the pieces still remain,

797
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 15: those sweet aprils. And he said it was his favorite

798
00:43:16,160 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 15: song till the day he died, Chuck Negron singing one

799
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 15: of the most underappreciated three log Night songs. Pieces of April.

800
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:25,359
Speaker 2: Big.

801
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 17: And the promise of the flower, and the feeling that

802
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 17: we both say.

803
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:40,880
Speaker 18: And love that week.

804
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 19: All now will not have or seven A.

805
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 10: That's real weak, reach hand rocks, and we will live

806
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 10: in town and.

807
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 18: Even when of a rain we would laugh it all.

808
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:18,320
Speaker 17: I've got pieces of a Ray Act re Bookay, I've got.

809
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,560
Speaker 10: Pieces of a rail.

810
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 19: It's a morning, nay. We stood on the crest of summer,

811
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:47,680
Speaker 19: beneath old the blossomed main feeling as I did ray,

812
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 19: not really knowing what it made, but it must be

813
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:11,680
Speaker 19: then that step beside.

814
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 5: Just that, But it's salon and.

815
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: Just a morning, just a mooning, just a morning in February,

816
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,840
Speaker 2: remembering pieces of April.

817
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:23,640
Speaker 1: The morning in May.

818
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: Rock and roll archaeology continues on seven unter WLW Gary

819
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 2: Jeff and Jim Lebarbara the Music Professor.

820
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,320
Speaker 1: Also the anniversary.

821
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: That a lot of people like yourself will never forget

822
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,359
Speaker 2: the day and the week and the month.

823
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: The music died in nineteen fifty nine. Another passage of

824
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 1: that this.

825
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 15: Week Buddy Holly, the legacy, the influence still to this day,

826
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 15: will be helped forever.

827
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:51,680
Speaker 6: Now.

828
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 15: This is the guy, Buddy Holly and the Crickets. His

829
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 15: legacy in rock and roll. He established the standard rock band,

830
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 15: the configuration to guitars, bass and a drum. John Lennon's

831
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 15: original band, The Corryman, covered That'll be the Day for

832
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 15: the first recording session and audition session. He was inspired

833
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 15: The Beatles were inspired by the band's name, The Crickets

834
00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 15: and they named their band after an insect, The Beatles.

835
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 15: Paul McCartney owned the publishing right stall of Buddy Holly's

836
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 15: song catalog. Bob Byllan saw Buddy on that final chor

837
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 15: just a few days earlier at the luth and he

838
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 15: said he felt like that there was a connection. He

839
00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:25,880
Speaker 15: stood three feet away from Buddy Hawley and he felt

840
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 15: that connection. Rolling Stones, Mick Shagger and Keith Richard saw

841
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 15: him in England and the first record that they released

842
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 15: they modeled that work on Not Fade Away after Buddy

843
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:38,839
Speaker 15: Song Not Fade Away. Now Deon, there was a tour

844
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 15: that took the lives of Buddy Holly, Richie Allens and

845
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 15: the Big Bopper. And Dion told me he was supposed

846
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 15: to be on that plane.

847
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 5: Cringe.

848
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 15: Just five thirty six dollars, he said, that's what my

849
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,600
Speaker 15: mom paid for my rent in the Bronx New York.

850
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 15: And the bus kept breaking down. Deon Strummer had frost bite.

851
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:55,720
Speaker 15: The guys really wanted the whole reason for the plane

852
00:46:55,760 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 15: trip clean underwear. They needed clean underwear, would have time

853
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:03,839
Speaker 15: to do the laundry. And Dion said the show went

854
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,839
Speaker 15: on that night, as you know. And he was a kid.

855
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 15: He said, there was no grief counseling, nothing, and he

856
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 15: got seriously That affected him greatly, he said, and that

857
00:47:11,880 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 15: he got into drugs really badly after that and was

858
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,480
Speaker 15: out of the business for a good while. Later found

859
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 15: Jesus and today is clean. And Bobby be who answered

860
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 15: that call for local musicians to play that night because

861
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:24,640
Speaker 15: the show went on, said there were people who actually

862
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,240
Speaker 15: showed up who didn't know about the plane crash because

863
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 15: of the communication. And why was he on that? Why

864
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 15: was he on this third rate tour? Jerry Allison's drummer,

865
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 15: Jerry Allison, Buddy's drummer, had told me that instantly was

866
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 15: Buddy was going to get back together with.

867
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:39,680
Speaker 6: The original Crickets.

868
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:40,200
Speaker 4: He said.

869
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:42,440
Speaker 15: Norman Petty, the manager, was holding up the checks. His

870
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 15: manager was holding up the checks in New Clovis, New Clovis,

871
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 15: in the Clovis, New Mexico. He had it Buddy, Buddy,

872
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 15: Buddy's money was due him. Norman didn't give him the checks.

873
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 15: Now he got married and planning, you know, to live

874
00:47:56,520 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 15: with his wife. His wife was expecting the baby and

875
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 15: there's no money, no money. Well, and that's that's that's

876
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,120
Speaker 15: the scene. Behind the scenes and that one of the

877
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 15: one of your favorite songs I know is a Buddy

878
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 15: Holey song that was never hit, never charted, but it's

879
00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:14,800
Speaker 15: unique percussion on this drummer. We've been talking about Cherry Allison,

880
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 15: Jerry Allison slapping his knees and the Celeste Uh played

881
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,799
Speaker 15: by Norman Patty who produced a record's Wife Vie and

882
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 15: it was a B side of Peggy Sue And it's

883
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 15: just one of those records that there, although was never hit,

884
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 15: today as the standard.

885
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 11: Every day every day it's again closer going faster than

886
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 11: or oder coaster love like.

887
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 20: Yours will Jilly come by?

888
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:47,720
Speaker 4: Okay?

889
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 20: Every day it's a getting faster everyone said, go master

890
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 20: love life, yours will Jilly come by anyway?

891
00:49:01,840 --> 00:49:03,280
Speaker 21: Take ay?

892
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 20: Every day seems a little longer every way, loves a

893
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 20: little stronger come.

894
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 18: What may do you ever long for to love from me?

895
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 18: Every day it's a getting closer, going.

896
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 20: Faster than or over coaster, the like yours will actually

897
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 20: come the way to take a.

898
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:52,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, we could have played any number of tunes there,

899
00:49:52,200 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 2: but I think that's a little underappreciated and different for

900
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 2: sure in the Buddy Holly slot. As we remember the

901
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,920
Speaker 2: day the music died on this Saturday. And in this

902
00:50:03,080 --> 00:50:06,920
Speaker 2: rock and roll archaeology, one more song from Buddy Holly

903
00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:09,680
Speaker 2: and uh this is after he had left the bandit

904
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 2: he went to New York to record.

905
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:14,000
Speaker 15: Right right now, Now we go back from the day

906
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 15: the plane crash. You know after remember on that flight

907
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 15: was the Big Bopper and Richie Vallen's Richie Vallence flipped

908
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 15: that Tommy also who was one of the crickets, and

909
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 15: he's all excited. He wins a quaintance found them one

910
00:50:25,239 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 15: thing in my life. So that's why Richie was on

911
00:50:27,239 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 15: the plane. Now, the Big Bopper was on the plane

912
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 15: because really Whalon Jennings was a cricket and he was

913
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:34,840
Speaker 15: supposed to.

914
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:35,360
Speaker 6: Be on the plane.

915
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,359
Speaker 15: But the Big Bopper came down with the flu and

916
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 15: he begged Whalen, and Whaling gave him his seat.

917
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 6: And then Buddy found that.

918
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 15: About and said to Whaleen, he said, but you're on

919
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 15: the plane. Oh man. He said, uh, well, I said,

920
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 15: I hope your old I hope your old bus freeze

921
00:50:51,360 --> 00:50:54,960
Speaker 15: is over. And then he responded by saying, well, Buddy,

922
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 15: I hope your old plane crashes. And that that stayed

923
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 15: with Whaling things haunted him to the day he died.

924
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 5: Well.

925
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 15: This came from that final recording session.

926
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 5: He's in New York City.

927
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 15: Now it's got Nick Jacob's orchestra using strings for the

928
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,280
Speaker 15: first time in Buddy's career. And it's a haunting melody

929
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 15: inspired by one of Buddy's favorite Black gospel hymns that

930
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:16,240
Speaker 15: they actually sang at his funeral.

931
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 5: I'll be all right.

932
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 15: And this was his gift to his wife, Maria Elena,

933
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 15: And it was a wedding gift to his wife, and

934
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 15: it was their love song. And she at the time

935
00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 15: was expecting their first child, and then upon hearing the

936
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,160
Speaker 15: plane crash, she had a miscarriage.

937
00:51:33,160 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 4: And this this.

938
00:51:34,239 --> 00:51:37,240
Speaker 15: Is Buddy's gift to his wife from his final recording session.

939
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 15: Here's true love ways.

940
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: Just you no thanks bro, bye.

941
00:51:51,360 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 18: Will bye, and by no too love. Some times will sigh,

942
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 18: Sometimes we will cry, and we know why just you

943
00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 18: and I.

944
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 6: No true love.

945
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:30,880
Speaker 21: Throughout the day.

946
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 18: Out to lo love, You'll bring us joys to share

947
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:55,320
Speaker 18: with those who really came. Sometimes will side, some time

948
00:52:56,080 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 18: you cry.

949
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 20: And you know why just.

950
00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:36,760
Speaker 21: You no true throughout th day.

951
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,319
Speaker 19: Our true.

952
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 18: Will bring us joys to share with the tur we

953
00:53:53,600 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 18: gave sometimes use side some time is Will You Cry?

954
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 11: And just.

955
00:54:14,840 --> 00:54:15,279
Speaker 4: No T.

956
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 2: Rock and Roll Archaeology. It is a production of the

957
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 2: Saturday Morning Edition. I'm seven hundred w l W all night,

958
00:54:27,640 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 2: and there's a bunch buzzing in Washington and the body

959
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 2: politic and when I want to talk to somebody, especially

960
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 2: at that junctures when there's another government shutdown looming, my

961
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 2: go to it seems to be Jim Rinacy always, and

962
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 2: really we will talk at some point Jim in the

963
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:51,160
Speaker 2: future when there's not a looming government shutdown, I promise,

964
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 2: But it just seems to work out that way. So

965
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,359
Speaker 2: you know, you were waiting again for what happens by

966
00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:04,040
Speaker 2: this Friday. The Democrats, many of them, want to eliminate

967
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,680
Speaker 2: ICE or put ice on ice, so to speak. And

968
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 2: the thing that they keep on forgetting about I don't

969
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: think they're forgetting about it at all is that ICE

970
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: is fully funded through twenty twenty nine and nothing is

971
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,200
Speaker 2: going to change that. They're going to keep people out

972
00:55:24,239 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 2: of their TSA jobs or keep people from getting paid

973
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 2: for ensuring American safety in the air or with DHS

974
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:36,920
Speaker 2: with this haranguing, but they're not going to affect the

975
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 2: work that Ice is doing, so it seems kind of

976
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:44,080
Speaker 2: it's all grand standing and it seems like it's not

977
00:55:44,200 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 2: going to really make a difference in the things that

978
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 2: they say they want to make a difference in.

979
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:53,319
Speaker 22: Do you think, Well, keep in mind, and I say

980
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:56,080
Speaker 22: this all the time, everything is political in nature. There's

981
00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:59,680
Speaker 22: a political reason here. They do know that right now

982
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:05,239
Speaker 22: is at the top of the discussion point, although Bad

983
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 22: Bunny seemed to have taken some of it away after

984
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 22: the Super Bowl, But you know.

985
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 6: Ice will be the big issue.

986
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,080
Speaker 22: Shut Down will be the big issue again this year,

987
00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 22: and it's about political posturing. Anybody that thinks it's anything else,

988
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,920
Speaker 22: it's all political posturing. The Democrats know right now that

989
00:56:22,080 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 22: ice is an issue that hurts Republicans and the President

990
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 22: are going to continue to use it until it does

991
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 22: not become valuable to them anymore, and right now is

992
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:37,799
Speaker 22: still valuable. So they'll posture, they'll push, But you're exactly right.

993
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:42,480
Speaker 22: The problem with the DHS funding is that ICE was

994
00:56:42,520 --> 00:56:46,919
Speaker 22: funded in a big, beautiful bill which they didn't support either.

995
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 22: But if they shut down this Friday, the things that

996
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:57,840
Speaker 22: will be hurt or Border and Immigration, Citizenship, Coast Guard, FAA,

997
00:56:57,880 --> 00:57:03,480
Speaker 22: cybersecurity response. So there's a whole bunch of other things

998
00:57:04,080 --> 00:57:06,440
Speaker 22: that are going to be affected. But keep in mind,

999
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 22: it's political posturing and it's who has what I call

1000
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 22: the leverage, and right now, the Democrats believe they have

1001
00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,120
Speaker 22: the leverage on this issue and they'll use it.

1002
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:18,120
Speaker 4: Well.

1003
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:22,000
Speaker 2: They certainly don't have the leverage on the voting issue,

1004
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:26,880
Speaker 2: i e. The Save Act, which they're vehemently opposing because

1005
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 2: they say that requiring a photo ID to prove who

1006
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 2: you are is somehow Unamerican, and we'll oppress voters who

1007
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 2: can't produce those things. I think that's and mostly an

1008
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:47,560
Speaker 2: a racial component. That's how they're phrasing it. You say

1009
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 2: that there are other things that work there the constitutional

1010
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:56,160
Speaker 2: requirements that states be handling elections, not the federal government,

1011
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 2: And I get that, but it's think that it's highly offensive.

1012
00:58:02,960 --> 00:58:07,040
Speaker 2: And black people seem to think so too, that expecting

1013
00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 2: a black person to have an ID to vote is

1014
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 2: a bad idea. I think that's extremely racist. And Hispanic

1015
00:58:16,320 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 2: Latino people feel the same way, by about a seventy

1016
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:22,160
Speaker 2: to eighty percent margin. They think, yeah, you should have

1017
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:25,080
Speaker 2: to have an ID to vote, and I think you

1018
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 2: should too. But of course in New York where Hakim

1019
00:58:27,840 --> 00:58:32,200
Speaker 2: Jeffries and Chuck Schumer are, they view it as and

1020
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:38,160
Speaker 2: projected as Jim Crow laws again restricting people of color

1021
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:42,160
Speaker 2: from voting because you don't have to produce an idea

1022
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,160
Speaker 2: to vote in New York City, do you know.

1023
00:58:47,920 --> 00:58:50,160
Speaker 22: Yeah, So I think you're going to see a change

1024
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,480
Speaker 22: in the way they discussed this. And I saw Hakeem

1025
00:58:52,560 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 22: Jeffries talking recently about how this is President Trump trying

1026
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 22: to nationalize elections. This is the first step toward that,

1027
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 22: and the Constitution says states are supposed to be taking

1028
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:10,720
Speaker 22: care of the election. So you'll see a different discussion.

1029
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 22: And by the way, today it is illegal in the

1030
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:18,160
Speaker 22: United States for an illegal immigrant to vote in the

1031
00:59:18,240 --> 00:59:21,320
Speaker 22: United States election, So we already know that's illegal, and

1032
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 22: they're going to say, and that's one of their arguments,

1033
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:28,480
Speaker 22: that it's already illegal. But the argument really is that

1034
00:59:28,560 --> 00:59:32,120
Speaker 22: the federal government should not be involved because when they

1035
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 22: become involved, they can control the national outcome of national elections.

1036
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:42,400
Speaker 22: And that's what our founders said when they wrote the Constitution.

1037
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,160
Speaker 2: You mean the way Pennsylvania controlled the result of a

1038
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,800
Speaker 2: national election in twenty twenty by ignoring their own laws.

1039
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: You mean like that.

1040
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 22: Can't Well, yeah, we'll keep in mind. Remember the federal

1041
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,000
Speaker 22: government in the old days we seem to have lost

1042
00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 22: touch on that is that they believe that the states

1043
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 22: should have all the power and the federal government should

1044
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 22: have limited powers. And today we've just thrown that out

1045
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 22: the door. So look, I'm not disagreeing with you on Pennsylvania,

1046
01:00:12,960 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 22: but that was the way the constitution was set up,

1047
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:19,360
Speaker 22: that the states should have the ultimate power, not the

1048
01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:22,760
Speaker 22: federal government. And if the states believe, by the way,

1049
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:26,440
Speaker 22: there's a protection against that. It's called the US House

1050
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:31,960
Speaker 22: and US Senate. And if the states violate those then

1051
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 22: the US House and the US Senate have the ability

1052
01:00:35,080 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 22: to override the election results. So and we saw that

1053
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 22: in twenty twenty when several House members voted against the

1054
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 22: election results in Pennsylvania, in Arizona and a few other places.

1055
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,960
Speaker 22: That just wasn't a majority or enough to override those

1056
01:00:55,000 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 22: elections as well.

1057
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1058
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 2: Well, and the other thing I was going to talk about,

1059
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:06,680
Speaker 2: just for a moment was the fact that you mentioned

1060
01:01:06,680 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 2: that there's already a law in the books that said

1061
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 2: illegal or people who are not citizens.

1062
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 1: It's illegal for them to vote.

1063
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 2: Well, if they're in this country committing crime by simply

1064
01:01:17,640 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 2: being in this country, and then they commit other crimes

1065
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,240
Speaker 2: because they don't think that they're under the rule of law,

1066
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 2: what's going to stop them from illegally voting just because

1067
01:01:28,080 --> 01:01:30,600
Speaker 2: there's a law in the books. If you have to

1068
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 2: produce a valid photo ID, there's a lot less room

1069
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 2: for confusion.

1070
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:40,080
Speaker 22: Jim, Well, look, I'm not opposed to it. I've always

1071
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,120
Speaker 22: said I was a believer. I pushed for that in Ohio.

1072
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 22: One of my campaign promises in twenty twenty was when

1073
01:01:47,000 --> 01:01:49,200
Speaker 22: I ran against Mike Dwine is we were going to

1074
01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:53,000
Speaker 22: require photo IDs, and I had Mike Dwine and other

1075
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 22: members of the state cabal saying we shouldn't have to

1076
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 22: do that, but they eventually did it, and now we

1077
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 22: have photo idea of requirements in Ohio. So it's not

1078
01:02:04,920 --> 01:02:07,760
Speaker 22: that I'm opposed to it. I do always believe that

1079
01:02:07,840 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 22: there are sometimes on other side we have to consider,

1080
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 22: and of course the Constitution should always be what we

1081
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 22: consider the most, but we have we continue just knocked

1082
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:21,240
Speaker 22: that constitution down so much that I'm not sure what

1083
01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,240
Speaker 22: the Constitution stands for anymore. I know what it should

1084
01:02:24,280 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 22: stand for and we just got to be careful.

1085
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,160
Speaker 2: Well, talk about my representative Thomas Massey back in the

1086
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 2: news this week. He was actually in the skiff yesterday

1087
01:02:35,120 --> 01:02:39,400
Speaker 2: and again today on the release of these Epstein files,

1088
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:45,000
Speaker 2: and he says that there were things being redacted that shouldn't,

1089
01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:48,120
Speaker 2: names being redacted, that they weren't victims, they shouldn't have

1090
01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 2: been redacted. And you you got a hold of some

1091
01:02:51,560 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 2: of that information for us, tell us what you found.

1092
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 22: Out well, and I would agree, just so you know. Yes,

1093
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 22: Representative Massey spent time in the skiff two days in

1094
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:06,400
Speaker 22: a row, and he is finding names like Les Wexner

1095
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 22: from Ohio that he calls as a co conspirator of

1096
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Speaker 22: the Epstein issue that should never have been redacted. He

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Speaker 22: has another CFO or CEO of another company that was redacted.

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Speaker 22: And quite frankly, I've even posted on social media all

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Speaker 22: of this stuff.

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Speaker 6: Should come out. I mean, we can't.

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Speaker 22: And by the way, President Trump campaigned on this in

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Speaker 22: twenty twenty four before he was elected that if he

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Speaker 22: becomes president, everything's coming out, and now not everything's coming out.

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Speaker 22: So that's another problem that I think, again, Leverage, I

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Speaker 22: always talked about everything we do today is political, whether

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Speaker 22: we like it or not. And there's a November election

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Speaker 22: that's going to be very critical. And you know President

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Speaker 22: Trump now is holding back on everything coming out. Well

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Speaker 22: he's not I shouldn't say him his FBI, and of

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Speaker 22: course is know his DOJ Department. Yeah, they're they're redacting

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Speaker 22: all this stuff. And then you know, Thomas Massey comes

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Speaker 22: out and says he got notification that the DJ is

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Speaker 22: now going to investigate his staff today because of some

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Speaker 22: of the things. Now he's claiming it's because some of

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Speaker 22: the things he has said. I mean, this is not

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Speaker 22: the type of country we should have. We should let

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Speaker 22: everything come out. And I know it's going to hurt

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Speaker 22: some big donors on both sides, Democrats and Republican donors.

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Speaker 22: I don't think it's going to affect President Trump or

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Speaker 22: President Clinton, although they're going to be embarrassed. I mean,

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Speaker 22: Thomas Massey also said that President Trump is listed almost

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Speaker 22: eleven thousand times in all this information, so there's going

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Speaker 22: to be some embarrassment. But at the same time, he

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Speaker 22: campaigned on it, and the American people want to see

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Speaker 22: everything now that these these elites who were using women

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Speaker 22: to their benefit under eighteen by the way, that they

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Speaker 22: should all be brought to justice, and Maxwell and Epstein

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Speaker 22: are not the only two that are guilty.

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Speaker 2: I'm not surprised that Glenne Maxwell took the Fifth Amendment

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Speaker 2: in testimony yesterday over and over and over again. I

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Speaker 2: don't know how her coming forward, if anything is going

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Speaker 2: to benefit her, or maybe she's been made no promises

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Speaker 2: to that effect. And also from everything that has been

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Speaker 2: seen and released, while the president's name is mentioned, having

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Speaker 2: your name mentioned in this voluminous amount of files, even

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Speaker 2: eleven thousand times, doesn't mean that you did anything wrong.

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Speaker 1: Jim, you know that.

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Speaker 22: Now, and with that the anything about politics I would

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Speaker 22: tell you. I mean, I took a donation from somebody

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Speaker 22: who ended up going to prison, and I had to

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Speaker 22: explain that hundreds and hundreds of times, even though even

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Speaker 22: though it wasn't Jimernaci that took the donation. You know,

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Speaker 22: as a political campaign, you have fundraisers who called people

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Speaker 22: ask for donations, and you get donations. I never even

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Speaker 22: met with that individual, yet you have to explain it.

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Speaker 22: Why'd you take a donation? And what's even funny there

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Speaker 22: is I paid those donations back as soon as I

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Speaker 22: found out he had issues.

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Speaker 6: It still didn't matter, but.

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Speaker 22: People, you know, that's part of the political system. And

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Speaker 22: President Trump will have to answer to his relationship with Epstein.

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Speaker 22: President Clinton will have to answer to his relationship with Epstein.

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Speaker 22: It could all be innocent, but I do think people

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Speaker 22: need to answer to hanging around.

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Speaker 6: With his which is really who he was.

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Speaker 22: Even though you might not have done anything wrong.

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Speaker 2: He was a hanger on, There's no doubt about that,

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Speaker 2: A parasite, somebody who sought out the rich and powerful,

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Speaker 2: not necessarily to be his friend, but maybe to ensnare

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Speaker 2: them in what he was doing with other rich and

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Speaker 2: powerful people. I mean, you want to talk and you

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Speaker 2: call him a scumbag, You want to talk about a

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Speaker 2: guy who is just I mean, he's he's like a leech,

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Speaker 2: sucking on society and and and profiting from it even

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Speaker 2: in death.

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Speaker 1: If you if you really think he's dead, I well,

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Speaker 1: what's horrible.

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Speaker 22: About it is is Bannon, who also was very close

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Speaker 22: to President Trump, was the last person to talk to

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Speaker 22: him before he was arrested, and the conversations was about

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Speaker 22: what other who in what other countries around the world

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Speaker 22: want to control the country that we can start talking to.

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Speaker 22: Now that's kind of an interesting conversation as well, and

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Speaker 22: I think that just came out in the last couple

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Speaker 22: of days as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wild. There's a bunch of stuff there. Do

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Speaker 2: you think he's still alive? Do you think they faked

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Speaker 2: his death?

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Speaker 6: Well?

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Speaker 22: I don't know if you saw this, but there's also

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Speaker 22: documentation in the Epstein files that the government said he

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Speaker 22: was dead the day before he died. That just came

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Speaker 22: out as well, that they had said Epstein died in

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Speaker 22: prison and it was the day before he actually died.

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Speaker 22: Was when that was written.

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Speaker 1: I didn't see that.

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Speaker 6: So yeah, so that's.

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Speaker 22: Going to be another thing that comes out because they're saying,

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Speaker 22: how can the government know he was dead the day

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Speaker 22: before he died and publicize it?

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Speaker 2: Very interesting? Anything else you want to touch on real briefly?

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Speaker 2: I got about another minute left. Jim Roneesi as our guest,

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Speaker 2: done the night cab.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 22: The only other thing I think that's come out this week,

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Speaker 22: which is a little bit ridiculous, is bad Bunny, you know.

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Speaker 22: I joke because I finally come out and said, when

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Speaker 22: did Republicans stop allowing private companies to do what they

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Speaker 22: want to do?

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Speaker 6: And look, you might.

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Speaker 22: Disagree with what the NFL did. You might disagree with

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Speaker 22: Bad Bunny, you might not like Bad Bunny, you might

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Speaker 22: not like his lyrics. But if you're a Republican, you

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Speaker 22: believe in the Constitution, you believe in the First Amendment.

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Speaker 22: A private entity, as the NFL is can put anybody

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Speaker 22: up on stage they want.

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Speaker 2: Jim nobody stopped him. They did what they did. For

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Speaker 2: them to speak out against it is their right. They

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Speaker 2: have an option to be opposed to it, but they

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Speaker 2: didn't stop it from happening. No one did.

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Speaker 22: No, I would agree, and everybody has the right to

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Speaker 22: disagree with I don't like Bad Bunny, I didn't like

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Speaker 22: him as a halftime show, but I can't take away

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Speaker 22: the NFL's right to put Bad Bunny, Bad Rabbit, Bad

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Speaker 22: Charlie Batt whoever stage.

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Speaker 1: No, No, I agree, I agree wholeheartedly with you.

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Speaker 2: It was irrelevant to me because I haven't watched a

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl halftime show and probably five US and the

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Speaker 2: last one I saw was Prince and Prince was excellent,

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Speaker 2: but I haven't watched it. Didn't plan on watching super

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Speaker 2: Bowl halftime show, and uh, my favorite, my favorite Bunny

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Speaker 2: is still Jessica Rabbit.

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Speaker 1: Jim or Nacy. Thank you so much. I take care,

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Speaker 1: uh man.

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Speaker 2: Coming up, on the other side of news, we have

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Speaker 2: Gregory wright Stone from the CO two Coalition on the

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Speaker 2: Nightcap w l W joining us now geologist and executive

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Speaker 2: director of the CO two Coalition, doctor Gregory wright Stone

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Speaker 2: for a few minutes to talk about happenings in uh

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Speaker 2: and and also most recently, the author of the bestseller

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Speaker 2: A Very Venient Warming greg Reidstone.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the show.

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Speaker 4: How are you, Oh, really good, really good?

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Speaker 23: A lot of there's been a lot going on that's

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Speaker 23: good coming out of Washington, d C. For the last

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Speaker 23: twelve months. On the climate change front. They're finally rolling

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Speaker 23: back some of those really idiotic programs that were instituted

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Speaker 23: in the Obama and Biden administration.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, first and foremost, we got back out

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Speaker 2: of the Paris Climate Deal, and President Trump promised to

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Speaker 2: do that again and did as soon as he was

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Speaker 2: into office. But you were just mentioning to me that

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Speaker 2: the EPA is going to have a special rollout announcement

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Speaker 2: tomorrow that you wanted to let people do.

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Speaker 4: It was just just announced this morning.

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Speaker 23: I see that Leez Elden is going they're going to

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Speaker 23: I'm not sure what form it's going to take, but

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Speaker 23: they have announced that they're announcing that they're pulling out

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Speaker 23: of what's called the Endangerment Finding, announcing it tomorrow. And

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Speaker 23: that's welcome news for everybody to be listening on here. So,

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Speaker 23: under the Biden Administration's e PA back in two thousand

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Speaker 23: and nine, this rule was initiated, and what they're going

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Speaker 23: to do, what attempted to do, was to regin in

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Speaker 23: carbon dioxide emissions from power plants, cars like trucks, everything,

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Speaker 23: everything using and emitting carbon dioxide, fossil fuel fuel industries

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Speaker 23: and cars and trucks, and so this is huge for us.

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Speaker 23: It'll be huge savings to Americans. It will probably amount

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Speaker 23: over the next decade maybe trillions of dollars that your

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Speaker 23: listeners in the industries in the area here won't have

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Speaker 23: to pay. It's wonderful news.

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Speaker 2: Well, you are the guy at the CO two coalition,

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Speaker 2: just explain to people what's does to help improve the

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Speaker 2: quality of our lives every single day. The miracle molecule

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Speaker 2: as they call it, and it has been so demonized

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Speaker 2: and vilified by people who are using false science and

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Speaker 2: bad data models.

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Speaker 23: So oh yeah, and that's why, that's why I wrote

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Speaker 23: this my newest book. The title is A very Convenient Warming,

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Speaker 23: How modest warming and more CO two are benefiting humanity.

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Speaker 6: That's right.

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Speaker 23: CO two and warming are benefiting humanity. And let's just

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Speaker 23: look the biggest, the biggest benefit of all of warming

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Speaker 23: and Marcia two has to be agriculture. We're breaking records

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Speaker 23: year after year after year from virtually every single crop.

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Speaker 23: And this isn't just in the United States, this is globally.

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Speaker 23: We're seeing from the coldest countries to the warmest here

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Speaker 23: in the United States. Since nineteen hundred, are growing season

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Speaker 23: has been extended by almost two weeks. That's great if you,

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Speaker 23: if you, if you, if you're a farmer, if you're

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Speaker 23: in agriculture, you'd be able to have longer growing seasons.

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Speaker 23: Killing frosts stop earlier in the spring and arrive later

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Speaker 23: in the fall. It just does when this is all

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Speaker 23: turbocharged by increasing carbon dioxide. Increasing carbon dioxide. As you know,

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Speaker 23: if you think back to middle school, what do we

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Speaker 23: know about photosynthesis? That plants need water, sunlight, and carbon dioxide,

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Speaker 23: and the more co to the better and it's really

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Speaker 23: been a wonderful thing that's been happening. We're seeing that

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Speaker 23: increases in crop productivity are greatly outpacing population growth. Uh,

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Speaker 23: and we should celebrate that. We shouldn't demonize this molecule.

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Speaker 23: It's it's helping us be the Earth well and we

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Speaker 23: should recognize that and accept it.

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Speaker 2: These people who claim otherwise say they're environmentalist, but in

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Speaker 2: my mind, they're really ecotear if they're calling for reductions

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Speaker 2: in CO two because it is so important, as you

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Speaker 2: just mentioned, to sustain human life and for plant life

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Speaker 2: and for animals and the whole planet. There are people

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Speaker 2: who's still not getting the memo, still laboring under and

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Speaker 2: raising money over the false narrative that fossil fuel emissions

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Speaker 2: are killing the planet. In New Mexico, they are trying

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Speaker 2: to get a bill through the legislature, the climate terrorists

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Speaker 2: are that would basically take New Mexico to a net

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Speaker 2: zero carbon emission state by twenty fifty. Have you heard

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Speaker 2: about this?

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Speaker 23: I did, and it's I think New Mexico might be

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Speaker 23: the number two behind Texas oil producer in the United States.

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Speaker 5: And what this is going to do.

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Speaker 23: If this is imposed, if it becomes law, it'll be

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Speaker 23: nearly a complete ban on any fossil fuel development drilling

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Speaker 23: in New Mexico. And it's really sad, it is. I mean,

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Speaker 23: we were now feeding some eight billion people because of

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01:16:11,479 --> 01:16:17,799
Speaker 23: the wonderful benefits of fossil fuels. They're making this life livable.

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Speaker 23: And we could certainly mee use a little bit of

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Speaker 23: warming today where I am. I'm calling you from Fairfax, Virginia,

1316
01:16:24,560 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 23: and I killed myself trying to get the office walking

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01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:31,439
Speaker 23: over snowbanks. So it's you know, this has been a

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Speaker 23: it's been a crazy winter across most of the regions

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Speaker 23: of the United States, and of course I'll be happy

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Speaker 23: to get back to my home in Florida here by

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01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,080
Speaker 23: the end of the week and experience some of that

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Speaker 23: nice eighty degree warmth that we're expecting on Friday.

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Speaker 2: Well, with the exception of yourself and a few others

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01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:56,160
Speaker 2: in Fairfax also could use some convenient critical thinking in Fairfax, Virginia,

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01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:59,679
Speaker 2: because you're surrounded by a lot of people who don't

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01:16:59,680 --> 01:17:02,439
Speaker 2: seem to you exhibit much of that politically anyway.

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Speaker 23: Uh oh yeah, just let me just touch on that.

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Speaker 23: We just Abigail Spanberger was just the elected governor and

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01:17:11,080 --> 01:17:14,519
Speaker 23: she campaigned as a moderate and everyone's calling her moderate.

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01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 23: As soon as she was elected, she she did some

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01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 23: really radical things.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 23: She just put Virginia back into the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative,

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01:17:23,960 --> 01:17:27,960
Speaker 23: which is basically a carbon tax that's designed the increase

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01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 23: electricity costs to the citizens of Commonwealth of Virginia. Uh,

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01:17:33,240 --> 01:17:38,240
Speaker 23: it's completely back she talked, she campaigned, she says for affordability.

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01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:41,200
Speaker 23: And what's one of the first things she does going

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01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 23: to get back into regie will definitely positively increase electricity

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Speaker 23: costs to the citizens and industries in Virginia. And what

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01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,919
Speaker 23: we've seen, uh, the other states in this Regional Greenhouse

1341
01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 23: Gas Initiative or mostly New England Eastern states that we've

1342
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:04,120
Speaker 23: industry energy intensive industries left those states and moved to

1343
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:06,919
Speaker 23: places like Ohio and West Virginia.

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Speaker 1: Hey we'll take them hopefully.

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Speaker 24: Yeah, but so we've they actually, although their emissions have

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01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:20,320
Speaker 24: fallen in these states, it's because they exported these co

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01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:26,839
Speaker 24: two intensive, energy intensive organ industries to other states.

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Speaker 6: So actually they.

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Speaker 23: Didn't reduce emissions, they just moved them around for where

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01:18:31,520 --> 01:18:32,599
Speaker 23: they're going to be produced.

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01:18:32,840 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 2: Sure, Gregory Wrightstone get back to the free State, the

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01:18:36,920 --> 01:18:39,760
Speaker 2: Sunshine State of Florida as soon as you can. And

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01:18:40,120 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 2: thanks for spending some time with us tonight on the

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01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:46,400
Speaker 2: Nightcap because somebody knew that I've never talked to before,

1355
01:18:46,439 --> 01:18:49,360
Speaker 2: but looking forward to it. His name is David Cancio.

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01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:58,559
Speaker 2: He's a Cuban American, proud United States citizen. His dad

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01:18:58,640 --> 01:19:03,719
Speaker 2: came from Cuba right before the Fall of Havana, right

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01:19:03,800 --> 01:19:07,719
Speaker 2: before Castro, or as Castro was taking control of the country.

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01:19:08,680 --> 01:19:12,800
Speaker 2: So David Cantio and his dad, Omberto, have written a

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01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 2: book called We get the title of the book right,

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01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:19,200
Speaker 2: if my phone will cooperate with me, David, this is

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01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 2: what's the title of the book?

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Speaker 7: Absolutely so. It's Gabriel Locke is the name of the series,

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01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,639
Speaker 7: and the first book is titled Bound by Law.

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01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:32,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, what is that about? Just give me a brief thumbnail.

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01:19:33,880 --> 01:19:38,400
Speaker 7: Absolutely so. Long story short. The Gabriel Locke series covers

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01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,559
Speaker 7: Miami in the eighties and it follows the perspective of

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01:19:41,560 --> 01:19:44,880
Speaker 7: a young attorney who leaves the State Attorney's office, begins

1369
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:49,759
Speaker 7: practicing civil practice with his dad, and ultimately it shows

1370
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,559
Speaker 7: the relationship that he has not only in a small

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01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 7: two man firm, but dealing with the intimate problems that

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01:19:55,800 --> 01:19:59,519
Speaker 7: clients have, you know, in their lives, and not everybody's murdered,

1373
01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:02,400
Speaker 7: and not every buddy is robbed at gunpoint. You know,

1374
01:20:02,560 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 7: people go through divorces, dissolution of business partnerships, etc. And

1375
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:10,120
Speaker 7: so the rich, you know, problems that people have every

1376
01:20:10,160 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 7: day are what we try to demonstrate and expose, you know,

1377
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 7: and give more screen time to in our novels. And

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01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:20,240
Speaker 7: this is heavily influenced by my father's own forty seven

1379
01:20:20,360 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 7: career or excuse me, forty seven year career as a

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01:20:24,120 --> 01:20:25,759
Speaker 7: tenured civil attorney in Miami.

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01:20:26,200 --> 01:20:26,519
Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Since your dad did move to this country as

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01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:36,720
Speaker 2: a boy with the advent of Castro taking power and

1384
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:41,679
Speaker 2: turning Cuba communists, what do you think that he's thinking

1385
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:45,200
Speaker 2: as that regime hangs on the edge now that they're

1386
01:20:45,240 --> 01:20:48,280
Speaker 2: being squeezed out with no fuel, it looks like it

1387
01:20:48,360 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 2: may fall at any time. I know people have speculated

1388
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 2: about the fall of the communists in Cuba for over

1389
01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:59,120
Speaker 2: sixty years, But is he excited to see what happens

1390
01:20:59,320 --> 01:21:02,240
Speaker 2: in his old home home country. How do you feel about.

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01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:02,840
Speaker 4: It, David.

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01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:07,120
Speaker 7: Well, I think my dad is very excited for a

1393
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:09,320
Speaker 7: number of different reasons, but I'm just gonna let you

1394
01:21:09,400 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 7: and your listeners know this. If you think the Villaine

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01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:15,000
Speaker 7: swellins through a party, you have no idea what it

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01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,160
Speaker 7: is to party. Until that island falls.

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Speaker 5: You got no idea.

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01:21:18,479 --> 01:21:20,720
Speaker 7: I recommend to everybody if you want to see a

1399
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:23,680
Speaker 7: great time, just as soon as they announced that the

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01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:26,879
Speaker 7: that the Cuban regime is falling, book your ticket to Miami.

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01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:30,519
Speaker 7: Spent about three days there, actually probably spend a week there.

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01:21:30,680 --> 01:21:32,439
Speaker 7: You'll thank me later. You'll have the best time of

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01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 7: your life. It'll make the best friends you'll ever have.

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01:21:35,120 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a big time, no doubt about it.

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01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:40,880
Speaker 1: Cubans in Miami. Yeah, I could see you, David.

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01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:43,960
Speaker 7: You won't hear from me for about two weeks.

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01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 1: I'm glad I got you now.

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01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:53,320
Speaker 2: So yeah, so the question you asked, I wanted to

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01:21:53,320 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 2: get to this bad bunny thing the translated lyrics during

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01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:01,320
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl halftime show. Now, of course, I and

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01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 2: most you know, English speaking Americans who don't speak Spanish

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01:22:06,840 --> 01:22:11,840
Speaker 2: have no idea what he was saying. But you know,

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01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:17,320
Speaker 2: the NFL walking on eggshells ever since Janet Jackson. Would

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01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,400
Speaker 2: they have allowed the performance if if this was an

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Speaker 2: English in real time.

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Speaker 1: David, do you think.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I certainly would hope not.

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Speaker 7: You know, I guess the thing that that surprises me

1419
01:22:30,439 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 7: is that they know who bad money is. They know

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01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:37,200
Speaker 7: the issues that he's had with just compliance with the

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Speaker 7: US government. And I say compliance not because he's a

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01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 7: you know, he's a not because he's a member of government.

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Speaker 5: He's not.

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Speaker 7: But clearly, you know, we've seen we've seen pictures of

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01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:51,120
Speaker 7: him burning a you know, small American flags during his concerts.

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01:22:51,680 --> 01:22:55,599
Speaker 7: We've seen, you know, just a sheer disdain for President Trump.

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01:22:55,960 --> 01:22:58,320
Speaker 7: I mean, let's let's be real that what people don't

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01:22:58,360 --> 01:23:00,400
Speaker 7: know is that he's actually he's been proper up for

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01:23:00,479 --> 01:23:05,599
Speaker 7: most of his career. By Maduro's like third or fourth

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01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,040
Speaker 7: most important person.

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Speaker 5: In his government.

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Speaker 7: And people don't know this, but he's been funded by

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01:23:11,320 --> 01:23:13,320
Speaker 7: the Venezuelan government for a long time. I mean, there's

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01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 7: a reason why he goes around dressed up and in

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01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:19,839
Speaker 7: dresses and all these things, and he's very anti traditional values.

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01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:23,160
Speaker 7: Now Puerto Ricans are happy to a degree because you know,

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01:23:23,240 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 7: he's at least from the island, just like a lot

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01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:28,120
Speaker 7: of Cubans feld about Pitbull because you know, when Pitbull

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01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:30,679
Speaker 7: first broke out on the scene, we were like, well,

1440
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 7: he kind of represents the worst of what Cubans are.

1441
01:23:33,760 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 7: But actually, with enough time you've come to realize that

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01:23:36,240 --> 01:23:38,920
Speaker 7: there's a certain style he has. But he's certainly much

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01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:40,760
Speaker 7: more refined than Bad Bunny is. I mean, there's a

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01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:43,439
Speaker 7: certain level of de qualm that Pitbull has that that

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01:23:43,520 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 7: Bad Bunny just simply doesn't have. Pitbull is at least

1446
01:23:46,120 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 7: a man. Bad Bunny's just a poser, you know, running

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01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 7: around for likes. So I think that the problem is

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01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:55,719
Speaker 7: that the NFL probably did know. Look, it's not hard

1449
01:23:55,880 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 7: in Spanish to find translated lyrics to English. Sure, and

1450
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:01,920
Speaker 7: if you are going to contract somebody to do a

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01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:08,479
Speaker 7: performance at arguably the largest sporting events halftime show next

1452
01:24:08,479 --> 01:24:12,000
Speaker 7: to probably the World Cup, and that's probably the only

1453
01:24:12,040 --> 01:24:16,280
Speaker 7: thing that would top it, you should know that. You know,

1454
01:24:16,479 --> 01:24:19,040
Speaker 7: if you've got people, if they can tell me every

1455
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,719
Speaker 7: single thing about an athlete on any one of their teams,

1456
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:25,400
Speaker 7: past injuries, whether or not you know, he's he's still

1457
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:29,000
Speaker 7: got both of his parents being alive. You know what

1458
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 7: he did, what he ate for breakfast when he was

1459
01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:33,320
Speaker 7: like seven years old. To determine whether or not he's

1460
01:24:33,320 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 7: got a good head on his shoulders under pressure. If

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01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 7: you can tell me that in the NFL, you can

1462
01:24:37,360 --> 01:24:39,719
Speaker 7: absolutely tell me that you knew exactly what bad Bunny

1463
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:41,840
Speaker 7: was going to be singing. And if it makes you

1464
01:24:41,880 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 7: feel any better when he's singing Spanish, don't feel bad

1465
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:46,760
Speaker 7: that you didn't understand anything, because, on top of the

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01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 7: fact that you may not understand the Spanish language, the

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01:24:49,600 --> 01:24:52,840
Speaker 7: way he speaks Spanish is already difficult to understand. He

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01:24:52,960 --> 01:24:55,200
Speaker 7: just sounds like he's moaning or yelling most of the time,

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01:24:55,640 --> 01:25:00,519
Speaker 7: so he's really not even that eloquent out the best

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01:25:00,600 --> 01:25:01,519
Speaker 7: of what we have to offer.

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Speaker 2: I didn't get two worked up because I haven't watched

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01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:05,720
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl halftime show and I don't know how

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01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 2: many years. And I don't usually get involved in the

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01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:16,439
Speaker 2: culture war stuff except where the fringe becomes normalized and right,

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01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:21,200
Speaker 2: and then then it turns into like law almost or

1476
01:25:21,360 --> 01:25:25,200
Speaker 2: it gets into legislation, and that's when I have problems with.

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01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:28,760
Speaker 2: You know, these these culture warriors who are just doing it,

1478
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:30,479
Speaker 2: posers who are doing it for likes.

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01:25:30,520 --> 01:25:33,200
Speaker 1: As you said, Gabriel Locke.

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01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:36,840
Speaker 2: Bound by law, and then Gabriel Locke bound by Fate

1481
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:41,839
Speaker 2: in these book series by David and in Virtuo Cancio.

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01:25:42,360 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 2: And it's a pleasure to talk to you. I'm sorry

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01:25:45,160 --> 01:25:48,439
Speaker 2: that we didn't have a more time to expound. Maybe

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01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:52,320
Speaker 2: next time, next time. Now, it's been a real pleasure.

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01:25:52,360 --> 01:25:54,280
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. If the communists

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01:25:54,280 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 2: fall in Cuba, I'll know not to try and get

1487
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 2: a hold of you for at least a couple of weeks.

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01:25:58,000 --> 01:26:03,160
Speaker 7: Okay, David, No, absolutely no, I'm in a fall. You know,

1489
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:05,280
Speaker 7: call me in like they call me two months afterward.

1490
01:26:05,320 --> 01:26:08,479
Speaker 7: I'm just kidna fuck you about about two weeks. I'll

1491
01:26:08,520 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 7: be fine, don't worry about it.

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01:26:09,960 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 2: Well, good luck with the series of books too. You

1493
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 2: and your dad coming up next.

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01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:14,840
Speaker 1: Dave Hatter.

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01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:19,160
Speaker 2: Dave Hatter and Tech talk on a Tuesday night nightcap

1496
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:21,160
Speaker 2: on seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: We close tonight's.

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01:26:23,640 --> 01:26:26,280
Speaker 2: Show with a visit with our friend Dave Hatter, the

1499
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 2: tech guy, our it guru from intrust It, the mayor

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01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:34,960
Speaker 2: of Fort Wright, and a frequent guest. And I'd like

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01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 2: to say, you know, maybe maybe he's a friend of mine.

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01:26:37,880 --> 01:26:40,040
Speaker 1: I like to think of him that way. Dave Hatter,

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01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:41,200
Speaker 1: how are you man?

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01:26:42,520 --> 01:26:44,479
Speaker 4: I'm good, Grey Jeff, thanks for having me on and yes,

1505
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:45,800
Speaker 4: I'm happy to be your friend.

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01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:50,479
Speaker 2: High tech tools used to track down Nick Reiner after

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01:26:50,520 --> 01:26:56,320
Speaker 2: his parents slang. Obviously a famous Grizzly case that we

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01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:58,320
Speaker 2: all heard about.

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01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 1: But but how did they get it in the end.

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01:27:02,720 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a tragic situation, you know, and this the

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01:27:05,400 --> 01:27:07,600
Speaker 4: La Times. I encourage people to read this story in

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01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 4: detail for themselves. Did this story late last year, But

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01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:13,679
Speaker 4: I've always thought it's interesting because, you know, Garret, Jeff,

1514
01:27:13,720 --> 01:27:16,120
Speaker 4: you and I talked about the Internet of Things aka

1515
01:27:16,200 --> 01:27:19,240
Speaker 4: smart devices and privacy and stuff on a regular basis.

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01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:21,800
Speaker 4: But this just goes to show you, in my mind,

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01:27:21,840 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 4: how increasingly technology can be used for good and bad purposes.

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01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 4: Obviously in this case now again allegedly killed as parents. Again,

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01:27:30,840 --> 01:27:33,880
Speaker 4: terrible tragic story. We'll see how this all plays out.

1520
01:27:33,920 --> 01:27:36,080
Speaker 4: But you know, they were able to apprehend him fairly

1521
01:27:36,160 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 4: quickly because we are increasingly in a digital society where

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01:27:40,120 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 4: you're being tracked all the time, whether it's your cell phone,

1523
01:27:43,200 --> 01:27:46,719
Speaker 4: your smart devices, including your car where then just general

1524
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 4: surveillance that's out in the public, whether it's you know,

1525
01:27:50,080 --> 01:27:55,639
Speaker 4: cct CCTV cameras rather block cameras, that sort of thing, drones,

1526
01:27:55,680 --> 01:27:59,120
Speaker 4: et cetera. You know, you are increasingly under surveillance. The

1527
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:03,120
Speaker 4: technology is getting both cheaper and more capable all the time.

1528
01:28:03,840 --> 01:28:06,160
Speaker 4: And you know, I understand why some people think this

1529
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:08,840
Speaker 4: is a good thing. That you know, if you are

1530
01:28:08,880 --> 01:28:11,800
Speaker 4: a criminal, it's much more likely that you're going to

1531
01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 4: be caught. It's also, I think an interesting parallel to this,

1532
01:28:15,080 --> 01:28:20,400
Speaker 4: this unfortunate situation with Savannah Dutrie's mom. You know, it's

1533
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:23,479
Speaker 4: hard for me to understand unless you're dealing with people

1534
01:28:23,520 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 4: who are incredibly savvy, how they've been able to evade

1535
01:28:26,640 --> 01:28:27,360
Speaker 4: any sort of time.

1536
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:29,680
Speaker 2: You know, I'm thinking the same thing as you were

1537
01:28:29,720 --> 01:28:32,760
Speaker 2: talking about the tools that were used in the Nick

1538
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:35,920
Speaker 2: Reiner case. The only thing I would suggest to you

1539
01:28:36,479 --> 01:28:41,160
Speaker 2: is that maybe there's not quite as much surveillance in

1540
01:28:41,240 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 2: the Footho Hills around Tucson and that particular neighborhood as

1541
01:28:45,360 --> 01:28:47,200
Speaker 2: there is almost everywhere else day.

1542
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:50,639
Speaker 4: And that's a possibility, Gary, Jeff. But you know, I mean,

1543
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:52,400
Speaker 4: if you know anything about this at all, you would

1544
01:28:52,439 --> 01:28:54,720
Speaker 4: know you would not want to have her phone. But

1545
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:58,280
Speaker 4: just you know, people have ring cameras, These flock cameras.

1546
01:28:58,000 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 5: Are everywhere now.

1547
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:03,000
Speaker 4: And under a line of fire and controversy. But I'll

1548
01:29:03,040 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 4: just quote directly from the article. Police use geotracking, cell

1549
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 4: phone data and surveillance cameras to locate Nick Reiner hours

1550
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:10,840
Speaker 4: after his parents were found. They at least they have

1551
01:29:10,880 --> 01:29:13,519
Speaker 4: Sunday morning at Brittley and then it goes on. You know,

1552
01:29:13,560 --> 01:29:16,280
Speaker 4: they say it didn't take long for police to focus.

1553
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:19,000
Speaker 5: On Nick Reiner, that he lived.

1554
01:29:18,840 --> 01:29:21,240
Speaker 4: There, apparently in their guest house that wasn't there when

1555
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:24,960
Speaker 4: they showed up. And then they say detectives got a

1556
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 4: break in the case from the determined writer had checked

1557
01:29:26,920 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 4: into the Pure Side Santa Monica Hotel sometime around four am.

1558
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:32,920
Speaker 4: Now it doesn't say how they determined that in this

1559
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:36,280
Speaker 4: particular article. Then apparently they showed up, he was gone,

1560
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:40,920
Speaker 4: so they turned to the digital geolocation to determiners wentabouts and

1561
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:44,000
Speaker 4: then you know, basically they say looking at his movements

1562
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:48,080
Speaker 4: across Los Angeles around seven pm Sunday using location data

1563
01:29:48,080 --> 01:29:51,639
Speaker 4: from their cell phone along with other electronic devices at

1564
01:29:51,680 --> 01:29:55,000
Speaker 4: footprints and the network of camera So that sort of

1565
01:29:55,000 --> 01:29:57,879
Speaker 4: sums it up. And again, now assuming that Savannah Gotrou's

1566
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:01,680
Speaker 4: mom did not have a cell phone on it, you know,

1567
01:30:02,080 --> 01:30:04,599
Speaker 4: it would be interesting to say, okay, and again if

1568
01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:07,240
Speaker 4: the criminals did not have any cell phones on them,

1569
01:30:07,240 --> 01:30:10,599
Speaker 4: because if they did, you know, if you found unknown

1570
01:30:10,680 --> 01:30:13,479
Speaker 4: numbers pinging from around her area. And this as a

1571
01:30:13,520 --> 01:30:15,519
Speaker 4: reminder for folks, because I'm sure everyone has seen this

1572
01:30:15,600 --> 01:30:18,439
Speaker 4: on the cop shows. Right, in order for your cell

1573
01:30:18,479 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 4: phone to work, it has to constantly connect to various

1574
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 4: cell phone towers to get a signal to make it work, right, so,

1575
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 4: and they can triangulate off that signal. The more cell

1576
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:31,200
Speaker 4: phone towers there are any given area, the quicker they

1577
01:30:31,240 --> 01:30:34,280
Speaker 4: can get to a specific location. So you know, even

1578
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:37,080
Speaker 4: if you turn off the location tracking on your phone,

1579
01:30:37,160 --> 01:30:39,680
Speaker 4: which I would recommend you do. Yes, I use the

1580
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:41,960
Speaker 4: mapping capability of my Apple phone all the time. I

1581
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 4: turn on the location services. When I needed, I do

1582
01:30:44,479 --> 01:30:48,000
Speaker 4: my thing, I turn it off. That doesn't prevent Verizon

1583
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 4: from tracking me. It's a Verizon phone, but it does

1584
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:53,240
Speaker 4: prevent that information from going to Apple and any apps

1585
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:57,080
Speaker 4: that might be connected, or at least it should. You know,

1586
01:30:57,120 --> 01:30:58,800
Speaker 4: who knows what really happened under the hood gear?

1587
01:30:58,920 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, the police said, Dave.

1588
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:07,400
Speaker 2: The police said that Nancy Guthries, a pacemaker disconnected from

1589
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:13,360
Speaker 2: her Apple Watch within thirty minutes of the ring camera

1590
01:31:13,479 --> 01:31:18,840
Speaker 2: being disabled. So I don't think that, uh, I don't

1591
01:31:18,880 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 2: think that they left any trace of her phone with her.

1592
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:22,880
Speaker 1: I don't.

1593
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:24,880
Speaker 2: I don't think the phone or the Apple Watch went

1594
01:31:24,920 --> 01:31:27,680
Speaker 2: with her, so that that kind of tracking is not

1595
01:31:27,800 --> 01:31:29,519
Speaker 2: going to be possible at that point.

1596
01:31:31,280 --> 01:31:35,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, which which makes sense, but again it you I'm

1597
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:37,960
Speaker 4: sure there are some ring cameras around there. There's probably

1598
01:31:38,040 --> 01:31:40,679
Speaker 4: some flock cameras around there. The flock cameras, for people

1599
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:44,320
Speaker 4: who don't know, are these sophisticated surveillance cameras that have

1600
01:31:44,400 --> 01:31:47,080
Speaker 4: popped up all around the country, often used by law enforcement.

1601
01:31:47,120 --> 01:31:50,200
Speaker 4: They have advanced AI capabilities, which even of itself, in

1602
01:31:50,240 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 4: my opinion, is problematic because AI is not a fool

1603
01:31:53,240 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 4: proof and you know, again, if you don't know what

1604
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:56,920
Speaker 4: a flock camera is, I encourage you to go look

1605
01:31:56,920 --> 01:31:58,960
Speaker 4: into it, folks. I mean, there's a there's a case

1606
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:00,760
Speaker 4: that can be made from the security side of things

1607
01:32:00,760 --> 01:32:02,679
Speaker 4: where they've been used to find people that are lost,

1608
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:05,439
Speaker 4: They've been used to find like Golden alert people, they've

1609
01:32:05,479 --> 01:32:08,559
Speaker 4: been used to catch criminals. But we are increasingly treating

1610
01:32:08,560 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 4: this surveillance state where you are under surveillance at all times.

1611
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:14,800
Speaker 4: And it's interesting to me again in this case with

1612
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:18,240
Speaker 4: a high profile person, that none of that stuff actually

1613
01:32:18,280 --> 01:32:21,479
Speaker 4: seems to have help to date in this particular case.

1614
01:32:21,479 --> 01:32:24,760
Speaker 4: Now again with the minor thing, apparently it was a

1615
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:27,160
Speaker 4: key part of how they were able to find him

1616
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:31,000
Speaker 4: quickly and after him quickly. But like they say, here

1617
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:32,960
Speaker 4: again one last quote from the article, the raw data,

1618
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:35,120
Speaker 4: and they're talking about your cell phone tower and you know,

1619
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 4: or your cell phone pinging off the towers. They say

1620
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 4: about every set of seconds, the raw data will actually

1621
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:42,320
Speaker 4: give you triangulation, and they'll actually narrow it down to

1622
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:44,400
Speaker 4: real trime landmarks in streets. It's not as real time

1623
01:32:44,439 --> 01:32:46,600
Speaker 4: as you know, someone just walks across the street. It

1624
01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:49,439
Speaker 4: buffers a little bit. So that's a direct quote from

1625
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:52,559
Speaker 4: one of the experts they talked to for this particular article.

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01:32:53,400 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 2: There are two lawsuits that have been settled by Google,

1627
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:01,080
Speaker 2: racking up well in one case eight point twenty five

1628
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:03,519
Speaker 2: million eight point twenty five million to set a lawsuit

1629
01:33:03,560 --> 01:33:08,959
Speaker 2: alledging children's privacy violations, and they just settled a lawsuit

1630
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:13,120
Speaker 2: for sixty eight million overclaims that it's virtual assistant secretly

1631
01:33:13,200 --> 01:33:18,000
Speaker 2: recorded users. Let's break these two cases down, if you will, Dave. First,

1632
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:25,200
Speaker 2: the child privacy thing, and it seems like, you know,

1633
01:33:25,880 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 2: it seems like a really invasive thing when it's talking

1634
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:33,200
Speaker 2: about our children and big tech and invading their privacy.

1635
01:33:33,600 --> 01:33:35,920
Speaker 1: What was that lawsuit all about? What did Google do

1636
01:33:36,120 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 1: in this case?

1637
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:41,439
Speaker 4: Well, and interestingly enough, Gary Jess, that article also at

1638
01:33:41,479 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 4: the end mentions that there's a new thirty million dollar

1639
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:47,599
Speaker 4: lawsuit against YouTube, which is a division of Google slash

1640
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:52,680
Speaker 4: Alphabet for legally collecting data from children, and that lawsuit.

1641
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:53,000
Speaker 6: Just got greenlit.

1642
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 4: So I mean, if you add it all up, you're

1643
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:58,000
Speaker 4: over one hundred million dollars in potential lawsuits related to

1644
01:33:58,040 --> 01:34:01,519
Speaker 4: this sort of privacy top and this these aren't the first,

1645
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:03,640
Speaker 4: I'm sure there won't be the last, but this particular

1646
01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:06,439
Speaker 4: one here, you know, and Google's going to pay eight

1647
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:09,920
Speaker 4: point two five million dollars. That's literally they probably make

1648
01:34:09,960 --> 01:34:12,559
Speaker 4: more than that in a minute if you look at

1649
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:14,800
Speaker 4: their overall revenue. So I mean, this is a drop

1650
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:17,760
Speaker 4: in the bucket. And of course they settled and you know,

1651
01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:21,880
Speaker 4: did not did not say that yes we were guilty

1652
01:34:21,920 --> 01:34:26,000
Speaker 4: of this. But basically the gist is habitually and illegally

1653
01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:30,160
Speaker 4: collected data from devices boring to children under thirteen. It's

1654
01:34:30,200 --> 01:34:34,679
Speaker 4: a class action lawsuit six miners who allegedly downloaded apps

1655
01:34:34,680 --> 01:34:37,240
Speaker 4: from Androids play Store that were targeted to children. They

1656
01:34:37,240 --> 01:34:43,200
Speaker 4: have a special designation something called DFF which is designated

1657
01:34:43,200 --> 01:34:47,799
Speaker 4: for families, so these kids downloaded these apps. The developers

1658
01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:50,280
Speaker 4: that build these apps say that they'll comply with KAPPA,

1659
01:34:50,520 --> 01:34:53,200
Speaker 4: the Children's Online Privacy Protection Act, which is a federal

1660
01:34:53,280 --> 01:34:56,320
Speaker 4: law that says unless you have explicit permission from the parents,

1661
01:34:56,400 --> 01:35:01,000
Speaker 4: you can't collect information from kids under thirteen. Okay, apparently

1662
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:04,400
Speaker 4: these apps were banned from the play Store, but that

1663
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:07,920
Speaker 4: the service continued to collect data after that, thus leading

1664
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 4: to this lawsuit. Google has not responded to any comments

1665
01:35:11,280 --> 01:35:15,600
Speaker 4: on it that I could find. But yeah, so it

1666
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:19,759
Speaker 4: says Google told the public the dffs DFF apps complied

1667
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:23,240
Speaker 4: with KAPPA, but in reality, the sentences were surreptatiously exfltrating

1668
01:35:23,320 --> 01:35:26,360
Speaker 4: the personal information of children under thirteen who played the games.

1669
01:35:27,320 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 4: Then this other lawsuit you mentioned right see eight.

1670
01:35:30,040 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 2: Million overclaims it's virtual assistant secretly recorded users, something that

1671
01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:38,200
Speaker 2: you and I have talked about ad nauseum on this

1672
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:38,799
Speaker 2: This segment.

1673
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:43,880
Speaker 4: Dave. Yeah, it's it's interesting because people for a long

1674
01:35:43,920 --> 01:35:48,000
Speaker 4: time have said, I think these these devices are listening

1675
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 4: to me, And I just want to remind folks while

1676
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:52,840
Speaker 4: we have a minute here, Gard Jeb. If you can

1677
01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:55,080
Speaker 4: talk to your device and ask it to do something

1678
01:35:55,080 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 4: on your behalf, well, then it has to be listening

1679
01:35:57,160 --> 01:35:59,680
Speaker 4: to you, doesn't it right? Otherwise how would it know

1680
01:35:59,840 --> 01:36:02,960
Speaker 4: to respond? And there have been studies done where they'll

1681
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:05,240
Speaker 4: put a bunch of these so called smart devices in

1682
01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:07,840
Speaker 4: a room, turn on a TV and see how often

1683
01:36:07,880 --> 01:36:11,519
Speaker 4: they're activated, because in theory it's listening, but it's only

1684
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:16,840
Speaker 4: activating and potentially recording when you say it's weake word,

1685
01:36:16,920 --> 01:36:19,120
Speaker 4: hot word, or whatever they call it on that platform,

1686
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:22,840
Speaker 4: like okay, Google, Hey, Google, Hey, theory or whatever. We

1687
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:24,960
Speaker 4: probably just kicked off a bunch of these sayings Alexa,

1688
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:28,599
Speaker 4: whatever the word is, right, or the phrase that tells it, now,

1689
01:36:28,640 --> 01:36:30,479
Speaker 4: I want you to do something on my behalf, So

1690
01:36:30,520 --> 01:36:34,000
Speaker 4: it has to be listening. The issue then is, okay,

1691
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:36,280
Speaker 4: what is it doing when you're not using these weake words?

1692
01:36:36,280 --> 01:36:38,439
Speaker 4: And again, folks can go see for themselves when they

1693
01:36:38,439 --> 01:36:40,559
Speaker 4: put these things in a room in the front of TV. Play,

1694
01:36:41,520 --> 01:36:44,240
Speaker 4: how often they activate? And you know, I think you

1695
01:36:44,240 --> 01:36:47,920
Speaker 4: could make an argument just them a logical standpoint. These companies,

1696
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:49,640
Speaker 4: and this is one of my major issues with the

1697
01:36:49,640 --> 01:36:52,000
Speaker 4: Internet things in general. They focus on easy to use

1698
01:36:52,040 --> 01:36:55,720
Speaker 4: and speed the market as opposed to privacy and security.

1699
01:36:55,800 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 4: If they make it too hard for you to get

1700
01:36:57,479 --> 01:37:01,800
Speaker 4: a response from it, because it's very narrowly tuned to

1701
01:37:01,840 --> 01:37:04,519
Speaker 4: activate on those words, you're probably going to get frustrated

1702
01:37:04,560 --> 01:37:07,479
Speaker 4: and not use it. So I'm not necessarily saying this

1703
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:10,080
Speaker 4: is always nefarious. I think in some cases some of

1704
01:37:10,120 --> 01:37:12,599
Speaker 4: these issues are because they're trying to make it as

1705
01:37:12,640 --> 01:37:15,120
Speaker 4: easy to use as possible, to reduce all the friction

1706
01:37:15,200 --> 01:37:17,880
Speaker 4: they can so that people will use it. Right. Yeah,

1707
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:19,840
Speaker 4: but then you know, and then there see, Okay, what

1708
01:37:19,960 --> 01:37:22,960
Speaker 4: is it listening to? How is that is it recorded?

1709
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:25,559
Speaker 4: Who is that shared with? Did they sell that data?

1710
01:37:25,600 --> 01:37:26,960
Speaker 4: Who has access to that data?

1711
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:28,920
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1712
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:30,960
Speaker 4: And it's funny because this is written as Google recently

1713
01:37:31,000 --> 01:37:34,439
Speaker 4: settled a massive class acts lawsuit per sixty eight million. Again,

1714
01:37:35,160 --> 01:37:38,519
Speaker 4: Google's revenue is in the billions and billions. Sixty eight

1715
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:40,599
Speaker 4: million dollars is not a lot of money to them.

1716
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:42,680
Speaker 4: I mean, it's not chump change. You know, I'd be

1717
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:45,840
Speaker 4: happy if someone in your listening audience wanted to write

1718
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:47,800
Speaker 4: me a check for sixty eight million. I surely would

1719
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:48,439
Speaker 4: not say, I.

1720
01:37:48,320 --> 01:37:50,920
Speaker 1: Think I've got that in my sock drawer at home. Dave.

1721
01:37:51,840 --> 01:37:53,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, you know, I'd be happy to take

1722
01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:54,639
Speaker 4: that off your hands if you want.

1723
01:37:54,680 --> 01:37:55,240
Speaker 6: Carre Jeff.

1724
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:57,840
Speaker 4: But this this same article goes on to say, you know,

1725
01:37:57,920 --> 01:37:59,880
Speaker 4: Google said on a Final Life Friday, was selling to

1726
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:03,960
Speaker 4: avoid uncertainty, risk, expense, inconvenience and distraction of a lengthy

1727
01:38:04,000 --> 01:38:06,639
Speaker 4: court battle, did not admit to any wrongdoing. And then

1728
01:38:06,640 --> 01:38:08,760
Speaker 4: the same article goes on to say, if someone comes

1729
01:38:08,760 --> 01:38:11,040
Speaker 4: there for Apple reach a similar ninety five million dollars

1730
01:38:11,080 --> 01:38:14,719
Speaker 4: settlement last year over it's the voice assistant Siria allegedly

1731
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 4: listening to private or confidential conversations that were then shared

1732
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:20,640
Speaker 4: with third part of businesses and used to help cultivating

1733
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,360
Speaker 4: interesting ads for users on Safari or it's Apple Search.

1734
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:27,360
Speaker 4: So again, you know, so far no one is admitting

1735
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:31,960
Speaker 4: wrongdoing here, But isn't it Isn't it interesting? And you

1736
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:33,840
Speaker 4: know it would be interesting if one of these actually

1737
01:38:33,880 --> 01:38:36,920
Speaker 4: went to trial and you had discovery. But you know,

1738
01:38:37,800 --> 01:38:40,559
Speaker 4: I would just say this though it must be listening

1739
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:42,600
Speaker 4: to you in order for you to be able to

1740
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:45,880
Speaker 4: speak to it. And I'll be honest, hearly, Jeff. You

1741
01:38:45,880 --> 01:38:48,679
Speaker 4: know I have an Apple phone and I turned Serea off.

1742
01:38:48,720 --> 01:38:51,080
Speaker 4: I do not use Siri. I do not talk to theory.

1743
01:38:51,960 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 4: You know.

1744
01:38:52,840 --> 01:38:54,160
Speaker 5: Now you know me well out.

1745
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:56,240
Speaker 4: A ten fol hat guy. But like I said before,

1746
01:38:56,680 --> 01:38:59,080
Speaker 4: I turn off the location until I need it. Is

1747
01:38:59,120 --> 01:38:59,960
Speaker 4: that inconvenient?

1748
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1749
01:39:00,280 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 4: That extra two seconds it takes for me to turn

1750
01:39:02,120 --> 01:39:03,519
Speaker 4: it on when I want it? Uh?

1751
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:03,840
Speaker 6: Yeah?

1752
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:06,479
Speaker 4: Is that inconvenient? But the trade the privacy trade offs,

1753
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:08,519
Speaker 4: in my mind, are well worth it. And that's my

1754
01:39:08,600 --> 01:39:10,840
Speaker 4: response to this. Would it be more convenient if I

1755
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:12,640
Speaker 4: could just talk to the phone when I wanted to

1756
01:39:12,680 --> 01:39:15,599
Speaker 4: do something? Yes, but I don't want it. I'm just

1757
01:39:15,640 --> 01:39:17,720
Speaker 4: not going to use that feature. I have never used it.

1758
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:19,600
Speaker 4: I'm not going to use it, and I'm going to

1759
01:39:19,640 --> 01:39:22,799
Speaker 4: encourage people, you know, to maybe do a privacy audit.

1760
01:39:23,160 --> 01:39:24,440
Speaker 6: It is safer.

1761
01:39:24,160 --> 01:39:26,280
Speaker 5: Internet day to day. Today would be a good day.

1762
01:39:26,120 --> 01:39:29,000
Speaker 4: And there's plenty of resources out there. I'll post some

1763
01:39:29,120 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 4: articles on it later where you can kind of give

1764
01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:34,320
Speaker 4: yourself a privacy team up on your phone. And even

1765
01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:37,639
Speaker 4: if you don't change these settings. At least it will

1766
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:39,920
Speaker 4: give you more insight into what could be happening and

1767
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:43,439
Speaker 4: hopefully help you have more informed consent. Right instead of

1768
01:39:43,479 --> 01:39:46,160
Speaker 4: just your phone running wide open and then collecting anything

1769
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:48,080
Speaker 4: and everything about you and using it in all kinds

1770
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:50,559
Speaker 4: of ways that you might not appreciate if you understood,

1771
01:39:50,960 --> 01:39:52,240
Speaker 4: you at least have some understanding.

1772
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:55,000
Speaker 2: I always wentever to ask. I always ask, don't allow,

1773
01:39:56,120 --> 01:40:00,200
Speaker 2: don't allow, don't allow when it comes to locate and

1774
01:40:00,720 --> 01:40:04,599
Speaker 2: it all right, same thing CETM three sixty.

1775
01:40:04,880 --> 01:40:05,439
Speaker 1: What is that?

1776
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:10,799
Speaker 2: That's a digital risk protection stack, is what I understand.

1777
01:40:11,080 --> 01:40:14,599
Speaker 2: But in just about two or three minutes, Dave, if

1778
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 2: you can talk about the fake banks online.

1779
01:40:20,040 --> 01:40:22,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a real problem, Gary, Jeff. And it's

1780
01:40:22,360 --> 01:40:25,840
Speaker 4: one of the reasons why it's so important for people

1781
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:30,559
Speaker 4: to vet the stuff they download to their devices. If

1782
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 4: you just go out and you go to the Apple Store,

1783
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:35,559
Speaker 4: the Google Store or whatever and just start download stuff

1784
01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:38,240
Speaker 4: that it's got five stars with kicky fake, it may

1785
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:40,840
Speaker 4: be some thinly veiled nowhere that's doing who knows what,

1786
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:43,639
Speaker 4: including stealing all your money. So yeah, CTM three sixty

1787
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:46,880
Speaker 4: is essentially a bunch of cybersecurity research nerds like me,

1788
01:40:47,800 --> 01:40:49,960
Speaker 4: And they said here, over the past year, more than

1789
01:40:50,160 --> 01:40:54,320
Speaker 4: I wait for it, eleven thousand fraudulent bank imans. We're

1790
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:59,920
Speaker 4: observed eleven thousand fraudulent domains. So probably in most cases

1791
01:41:00,040 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 4: boosed off a real domain. Maybe they've changed one character,

1792
01:41:03,280 --> 01:41:05,360
Speaker 4: maybe they've used a different character set, so it's not

1793
01:41:05,479 --> 01:41:07,240
Speaker 4: obvious when you look at it that the AA is

1794
01:41:07,360 --> 01:41:11,080
Speaker 4: Philic A and not an English A. Eleven thousand, And

1795
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:14,160
Speaker 4: that's in a relatively short period of time, right, one

1796
01:41:14,360 --> 01:41:17,840
Speaker 4: year of these things, okay, eight thousand in the US,

1797
01:41:17,920 --> 01:41:20,400
Speaker 4: three thousand in the UK. And they going to say

1798
01:41:20,400 --> 01:41:23,120
Speaker 4: these are not throw away fishing pages. They're polished, SEO

1799
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:28,360
Speaker 4: optimized platforms can impersonate legitimate financial institutions, regulations and winding service.

1800
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:31,240
Speaker 4: So they've gone into trouble and Gary Jet. It is

1801
01:41:31,320 --> 01:41:35,040
Speaker 4: so trivially easy to go to like a bank website,

1802
01:41:35,120 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 4: or to any website, frankly seven hundred WLW fifth third whatever,

1803
01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:42,439
Speaker 4: copy the whole thing, set it up with a spoof domain,

1804
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:46,400
Speaker 4: and now I text you, I call you, I email you,

1805
01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:49,679
Speaker 4: I send you to this website to the naked eye,

1806
01:41:49,720 --> 01:41:53,240
Speaker 4: looks exactly like the real thing. And you know, potentially

1807
01:41:53,320 --> 01:41:55,240
Speaker 4: you log in and now I have the credentials for

1808
01:41:55,320 --> 01:41:57,960
Speaker 4: your bank, or I get you to download a banking

1809
01:41:58,000 --> 01:42:00,960
Speaker 4: app or something. I mean these people or smart right,

1810
01:42:02,760 --> 01:42:05,000
Speaker 4: and they say, here the fake banks offer services such

1811
01:42:05,000 --> 01:42:08,800
Speaker 4: as loans, mortgages, grants, high limit credit cards, et cetera.

1812
01:42:08,920 --> 01:42:12,360
Speaker 4: Victims are funneled to simplify out onboarding outflows. They know

1813
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:15,759
Speaker 4: your customer processors and stage approval designed to build trust

1814
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:20,000
Speaker 4: before monetization, so they're they're slowly bringing.

1815
01:42:19,640 --> 01:42:20,400
Speaker 5: You to the trough.

1816
01:42:20,560 --> 01:42:24,160
Speaker 4: Right, they're making this steel realistic. It looks realistic, and

1817
01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:27,679
Speaker 4: then at some point, right they say, once engaged users,

1818
01:42:27,680 --> 01:42:30,920
Speaker 4: the pressures the activation and processes feeds. Typically the have

1819
01:42:30,960 --> 01:42:34,639
Speaker 4: cryptocurrency wallets and paypals ands and fairly option which makes

1820
01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:38,040
Speaker 4: it much more difficult to trace these things and recover

1821
01:42:38,120 --> 01:42:41,200
Speaker 4: your money. So you know they're using search engine optimizations,

1822
01:42:41,200 --> 01:42:43,720
Speaker 4: they're using fishing to get you to these sites that

1823
01:42:43,800 --> 01:42:47,640
Speaker 4: are well done and then eventually steal your money. And

1824
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:50,240
Speaker 4: if you log in with any sort of Now, in

1825
01:42:50,280 --> 01:42:52,320
Speaker 4: this case, they're mostly creating new accounts, but if you

1826
01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:55,200
Speaker 4: were to go to a suit account or a spuce

1827
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:57,559
Speaker 4: fight of your actual bank, well they could log in

1828
01:42:57,600 --> 01:43:00,879
Speaker 4: and steal all your money. So it's it's so important

1829
01:43:00,920 --> 01:43:03,120
Speaker 4: to raise awareness about these issues, Gary Jeff, which is

1830
01:43:03,120 --> 01:43:05,200
Speaker 4: why I appreciate you letting me talk about this stuff,

1831
01:43:05,560 --> 01:43:08,040
Speaker 4: since you have got to be extremely skeptical. If you

1832
01:43:08,120 --> 01:43:10,479
Speaker 4: do a search on a search engine, I don't use Google.

1833
01:43:10,840 --> 01:43:14,720
Speaker 4: I'll use Duck dut Go or Brave or something like that.

1834
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:17,639
Speaker 4: But when you search, understand the links that you get

1835
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:21,080
Speaker 4: as search resose are not verified by the search engine.

1836
01:43:21,160 --> 01:43:24,280
Speaker 4: The bad guys know this. It's called search engine poisoning,

1837
01:43:24,320 --> 01:43:27,080
Speaker 4: and they will purposely spend money to make their sites

1838
01:43:27,160 --> 01:43:29,559
Speaker 4: rank well to get you to bogus sites, whether it's

1839
01:43:29,600 --> 01:43:30,920
Speaker 4: the free software or whatever.

1840
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:35,639
Speaker 2: So be careful, be careful how you search, be careful

1841
01:43:35,640 --> 01:43:39,320
Speaker 2: how you search, be careful where you search, and just

1842
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:42,120
Speaker 2: watch out for Dave Hadder because he knows all the

1843
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:44,519
Speaker 2: tricks and may it any time turn into an evil

1844
01:43:44,560 --> 01:43:45,880
Speaker 2: person and use them against you.

1845
01:43:46,840 --> 01:43:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm kidding you, all right, Dave, thanks a lot, as always,

1846
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:50,880
Speaker 1: thank you, sir.

1847
01:43:51,200 --> 01:43:53,120
Speaker 2: Back to wrap up in just a moment here on

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01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:54,560
Speaker 2: seven utter WLW