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Speaker 1: It's night Side with Dan Way on ZELBS, Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: Thank you LG for the news. Yeah, it's Bradley Jay

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Speaker 2: in Fordan tonight thanks to chatching the Prett coming in

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Speaker 2: talking about the Beatles more and more. I'm getting into

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Speaker 2: the Beatles strangely. Well first, not strangely. I watch YouTube.

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Speaker 2: That is my go to entertainment. I think that premium

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Speaker 2: YouTube on TV is the best anything you want. There

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Speaker 2: are even full movies on there, but you can actually

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Speaker 2: learn stuff while you get entertained. And not just in

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Speaker 2: a dry way, not in a straight up historical way,

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Speaker 2: but most of the things you can watch on there,

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Speaker 2: on the on the TV full length stuff, you learned

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Speaker 2: things about areas you're interested in. I make music and

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Speaker 2: I can spend all day watching the nuances of making

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Speaker 2: music while I'm cleaning the house. So it's nice to

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Speaker 2: have on the background. So I love that. And where

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Speaker 2: was I there? The the topic here? It's only a

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Speaker 2: semi topic. Really, I'm gonna kind of make it a hybrid.

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Speaker 2: It's open lines but with a focus on the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: Oh right, I do. I do check the Olympics by

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Speaker 2: way of YouTube. When there's YouTube news and now I remember,

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Speaker 2: and I'm curious about you, how involved you in the

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Speaker 2: watching the Olympics and what do you like about it?

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Speaker 2: What spurred me to use this as a topic as

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Speaker 2: I have a friend of mine that said she was

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Speaker 2: watching a lot of Olympics because it was optimistic. It

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Speaker 2: made her optimistic. There's something uplifting and upbeat and optimistic

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Speaker 2: about it during a time when you know, the human

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Speaker 2: the human race is not comporting itself in a real, real,

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Speaker 2: evolutionarily beneficial way. It's really ugly out there, and there's

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Speaker 2: something about the Olympics that suspends that and lets us

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Speaker 2: either remember or kid ourselves that you know, we're we're

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Speaker 2: admirable animals. So I'm curious what do you watch? What

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Speaker 2: do you like? Are there any any Olympics that any

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Speaker 2: events that you don't think should be Olympic events? Are

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Speaker 2: there guilty pleasure events you have like curling? It is

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Speaker 2: pretty interesting to see people who are the very best

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Speaker 2: at what they do. It's kind of insane. When I

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Speaker 2: watch the ski jumping, I think I'm just blown away

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Speaker 2: by that. How do you practice that? Are there little

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Speaker 2: bitty ski jumps that you use to start out? Or

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Speaker 2: the lengths that people go to get that edge. I

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Speaker 2: heard that some people inject ski jumpers inject they're growing

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Speaker 2: with some sort of chemical that gives them an edge.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how that works. Maybe loves them to

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Speaker 2: spread their legs more and get more air. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 2: I like figure skating, I do, and I like when

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Speaker 2: they do well, and I like when they don't. I

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Speaker 2: guess I feel bad from when they don't, especially since

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Speaker 2: when you know how much they had to train and

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Speaker 2: for how long. Basically, if you're in the Olympics, it's

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Speaker 2: the only thing you've done all your life, right, don't

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Speaker 2: you have to be start at it when you're like

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Speaker 2: five and compete and win, compete and win and not

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Speaker 2: doing anything else while your friends are having fun year

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Speaker 2: going to practice. I honestly don't know if it's worth it.

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Speaker 2: Even if somebody guaranteed me when I was a kid,

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Speaker 2: do all this work, I think I would say nah.

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Speaker 2: And I think even now that I'm an adult and

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Speaker 2: I don't think I'd regret not going through that hell

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Speaker 2: year after year after year, and here it is. It's

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Speaker 2: the agony of defeat? What draws you to the Olympics,

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Speaker 2: the thrill of victory or the agony of defeat? And

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Speaker 2: any particular countries? Root for European countries versus south south

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Speaker 2: of the Equator countries. I'm curious about why what you

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Speaker 2: four thirty. But again, it doesn't have to be about that.

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Speaker 2: This is a gently directed open lines. I'm gently directing

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Speaker 2: By the way, I haven't watched any nothing through. It's

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Speaker 2: What sports do you like best? And a related question,

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Speaker 2: is excuse me, do you wish the Olympics came to Boston?

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Speaker 2: That's a charged question. Do you wish the Olympics came

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Speaker 2: come to Boston to get some water? I don't know,

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Speaker 2: Oh here some water there were you? Are you glad

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Speaker 2: big money, the donor class, the super rich people, and

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Speaker 2: he won. He kept the Olympics out of Boston. I myself,

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Speaker 2: I'll have an opinion. I'm glad. Doesn't mean I don't

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Speaker 2: like the Olympics. It's quite a thing. It's it's humans

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Speaker 2: am not in my backyard when it comes to the Olympics,

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Speaker 2: the Olympics. I'll watch it and wherever, but I did

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Speaker 2: not want it in my backyard. Let's start with talking

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Speaker 2: to folks here. It's Justin and Marlborough. First, Hey, justin

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Speaker 2: open lines kind of loosely directing your towards Olympics questions,

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Speaker 2: how are you liking the Olympics. What are you watching?

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Speaker 2: What do you what does it do for you?

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Speaker 3: Well, actually, I have a different spin on the Olympics.

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Speaker 3: I wanted to say, it's wonderful if you ever have

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Speaker 3: the chance to visit the Olympic village and make Placid

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Speaker 3: Park City, Utah. You can go on the bob sled

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Speaker 3: part of the course a little, but it's pretty fun.

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Speaker 3: You go in a little bob's led and you go

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Speaker 2: Did you do that? Yes?

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Speaker 3: Tubing?

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Speaker 3: It's it's amazing how how long two minutes is? It

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Speaker 3: Uh, It's it's more just kind of surreal. I didn't

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Speaker 3: find it scary as much as it's amazing thinking these

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Speaker 2: And so what vehicle were you on? We are we

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Speaker 2: So four in all? Or five? Uh?

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Speaker 3: No, there was three. There was three in the bops.

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Speaker 2: Okay, do you have any idea how fast you were going?

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Speaker 3: Uh? It's it was like two minutes to do the

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Speaker 3: they do in the Olympics. Okay, I don't know the

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Speaker 2: Is there anything else out of that and at that

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Speaker 3: Do the other one you can see the ski jumps,

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Speaker 3: which is kind of cool. It's crazy that people want

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Speaker 3: to jump these. And also where they do the skiing,

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Speaker 3: you can go tubing, which is a lot of fun. Yes,

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Speaker 3: the downhill skiing, that's what I would do again.

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Speaker 2: That was you did that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was It's open to anyone who goes to

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Speaker 3: the Olympic villages in Utah Lake Placid. But the tubings

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Speaker 2: That's a great call. I really appreciate your spin.

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Speaker 3: On that, and I love you feeling. I always enjoy

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate that. It's a It's an honor

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Speaker 2: and a pleasure. Justin, if you ever get.

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Speaker 3: The chance, Park City is a really cool place in

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Speaker 2: Excellent. I've never been there. Thank you very much, Justin.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna break, but I have a trivia question for you.

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Speaker 2: What ski area reportedly has Mussolini's sword on display? And

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Speaker 2: here's a hint. It's a New England ski area. And

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Speaker 2: there's a hint. It's either a Massachuset or New Hampshire

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Speaker 2: it is there is a sword there that is purported

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Speaker 2: I don't care. What ski area features Mussolini's sword in

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Speaker 2: Coming up at eleven, Coming up at eleven, We're going

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Speaker 2: to chat about something. It's the it's the last hour

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Speaker 2: these think about it. Wouldn't you love some soup right

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Speaker 2: Winter soups, hearty soups if you will, and even other

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Speaker 2: I suppose even Kraft dinner is the craft dinner might

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Speaker 2: Maybe Shepherd's pie. Well, you're gonna have to tell me. Now,

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Speaker 2: back to the Olympics. I have discovered what makes the

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Speaker 2: or I have decided what makes the Olympics so compelling.

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Speaker 2: See if you agree with me, sure, it's great to

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Speaker 2: How do you feel about that? Six one, seven, two, five, four,

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Speaker 2: It's Olympic season, Winter Olympics. Are you watching? What are

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Speaker 2: they had? Let's go to Jennifer and framing him. Jennifer High, Hi, I've.

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Speaker 4: Never called before.

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Speaker 5: Can you hear me?

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Speaker 5: I was actually calling about the the sword thing. Did

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Speaker 5: All right, what's your hands guessing? Cannon Mountain, that's right.

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Speaker 2: How do you know that?

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Speaker 5: And the reason I know that, not because I saw

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Speaker 5: An old boys friend of mine lives there, has a

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Speaker 2: Yes, it is. My friend, my good friend Mike Nikitas,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't know he was known for having a sword.

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Speaker 2: But now, why it's out a ski area. This is

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Speaker 5: I do know he was a skier.

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Speaker 4: I believe.

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Speaker 5: I think he was imprisoned in a ski resort at

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Speaker 5: one point. Did you know about that.

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Speaker 2: No, that's a good prison if you're a skier.

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Speaker 4: No, there was some kind of I read that somewhere.

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Speaker 5: I have to look that up.

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Speaker 2: No, don't worry, you talk, I'll look.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you this though, I do you watch

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Speaker 5: I like to watch the figure skating. That's my favorite

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Speaker 2: Oh you did, did you skate? Like in competitions?

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Speaker 5: I never made it out of Natick.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where that's from, but what that does is,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe they turned it into a prison.

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Speaker 2: by Auto, A guy I can't pronounce his name, executed

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Speaker 2: Present day area remains a ski resort, often referred to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so boy, I'm glad you called. That is a

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Speaker 4: That's a good one.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much. Now, see, I would like

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Speaker 2: She had a good time and I'm sure she was

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but where's my applause? Applause, applause.

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize the tradition, but happily, uh, Rob Brooks

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Speaker 2: get applause if you were a first time caller, or

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Speaker 2: even if you're a first time call if you if

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Speaker 2: you have called before, and I have no idea about it,

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Speaker 2: I guess you still get applause. Now back to the Olympics.

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Speaker 2: The uh oh, the fact about I mentioned Canon Mountain gondola.

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Speaker 2: Very sad this fall they stopped it and it's not

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Speaker 2: going to be working as I understand it for two years.

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Speaker 2: Well they fix it, but it is so fun to

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Speaker 2: go up there. What my friend Mike and I do

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00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: when we go up he makes a lunch. It's very nice.

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Speaker 2: I take the boss to Conquered meet him and Conquered.

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Speaker 2: We go up to I think it's Echo Lake and

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Speaker 2: we have a picnic. He makes a lunch and we

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Speaker 2: make sure we go up to the top of Cannon

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Speaker 2: Mountain on the gondola, which is closed for two years now.

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00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: But a hint. When you get up there, there is

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Speaker 2: an observatory. I think it's a fire tower observatory or

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00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 2: it may be a communications tower. Whatever. You can walk

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Speaker 2: up there and you get stunning views looking down at

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00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 2: Echo Lake and the Lafayette Range stunning, and you don't

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Speaker 2: have to go up the cog Railway to do it.

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Speaker 2: Cog Railway is great, but that's a big production. This

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Speaker 2: is cheap too. It's approximately twenty six bucks for a

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Speaker 2: senior and if you're a resident of Hamshire, I think

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Speaker 2: it's free. So there's that. That's an Olympic rated related

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Speaker 2: event or topic because it's talking about skiing. Now back

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Speaker 2: to the reasons the Olympics. I'm glad the Olympics didn't

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Speaker 2: come here, and maybe you disagree. I'd love to hear

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Speaker 2: you disagree. I haven't heard any fans say yeah, I

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Speaker 2: wish it came here. Worried worries included the following massive debt.

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Speaker 2: Opposition groups feared taxpayers would be liable for billions in

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Speaker 2: cost overruns, potentially crippling the cities to a decades, similar

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Speaker 2: to other Olympic host cities. Other cities lost money. And

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Speaker 2: the Olympic Committee of the IOC makes you sign a

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Speaker 2: thing that says you are on the hook for this

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Speaker 2: if you don't make money, if something happens worldwide, say

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Speaker 2: this is a nine to eleven or a well, you know,

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Speaker 2: an earthquake or some kind of bad thing happens and

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Speaker 2: it affects negatively and impacts your Olympic intake. You're on

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Speaker 2: the hook and it's a gamble. I didn't want to

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Speaker 2: take that gamble, especially after the Big Dig, because we're

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Speaker 2: still reeling from that boondoggle. They were folks were worried

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Speaker 2: about neglecting the MBTA. Many felt that the city should

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Speaker 2: fix his struggling public transportation system, Yes, before investing in

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00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:13,760
Speaker 2: a two week event a party with the winter of

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Speaker 2: twenty fifteen highlighting these urgent needs. Yeah, that's the one

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Speaker 2: twenty fourteen to fifteen where we got one million feet

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Speaker 2: of snow starting in February. By the way, that was

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00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: a crippling event and really showed the problems with our infrastructure,

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Speaker 2: and it showed that would be difficult to handle that

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00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: many people. Again, it's a two week event with lingering

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Speaker 2: after effects. Big Dig fears. I mentioned that people remembered

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Speaker 2: the Big Dig a hugely expensive project. I feel it

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Speaker 2: fearing another disruptive, troubled mega project. Now, as far as

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00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:58,400
Speaker 2: social concerns, I worried about these too. Displacement and affordability.

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Speaker 2: Critics were worried that Olympic can instruction would exacerbate housing

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Speaker 2: costs and displace working class residents in an already expensive city,

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Speaker 2: which it would have. Now, this is something you might

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Speaker 2: not have thought about. Militarization and rights concerns about exist,

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Speaker 2: concerns about increased police presidents with an almost military feel

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Speaker 2: and potential restrictions on civil liberties during the games, and

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Speaker 2: then misaligned priorities is related. A lot of folks felt

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Speaker 2: the city had more pressing needs, such as education and

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Speaker 2: transportation rather than hosting a big party. By the way,

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Speaker 2: did you think you got in for free? If you

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Speaker 2: lived in Boston, know would you be able to afford

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Speaker 2: to go to those events? Probably not? In many cases, No,

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Speaker 2: you wouldn't have even been able to afford to go.

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Speaker 2: Think of the traffic and why the opposition succeeded well

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Speaker 2: this Grassroops campaign, particularly No Boston Olympics. They mobilize public

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Speaker 2: opinion by highlighting the risks I just went through and

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Speaker 2: focusing on long term financial burdens. It's a huge risk.

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00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: If it went south, it could cripple Boston for decades.

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Speaker 2: Boston ultimately, and here's the thing, Boston won ultimately with

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Speaker 2: drew its bid in July fifteenth, due to dwindling support,

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Speaker 2: Mary Wats would not sign on the dotted line and

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Speaker 2: for that, sir, I thank you. But maybe folks have

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Speaker 2: it a different view of it. And again we're talking Olympics.

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Speaker 2: I don't get me wrong. I love the Olympics, love

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Speaker 2: watching them. What is it that you like? You have

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Speaker 2: a favorite event? I'm always blown away by the ski jumping.

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Speaker 2: I look downhill racing. It's super dupe intense and I

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00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 2: don't know if you've ever skied, but if you ski,

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00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 2: you have a respect for how fast it going. It's insanely,

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Speaker 2: insanely fast, and it's crazy dangerous cost overruns. I mentioned, dude,

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Speaker 2: I need to break rub I don't know if I

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Speaker 2: broke it. I do. I need to break good grief

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Speaker 2: time as a flying WBZ more in a moment, you're.

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Speaker 1: On night Side with Dan Ray. I'm WBZ Boston's news Radio.

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Speaker 2: A few more minutes here to take your calls regarding

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Speaker 2: the Olympics. What do you like to watch the in

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Speaker 2: the Games? Do you like the Winter Games or Summer

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Speaker 2: Games better? And you have a take on why it's

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Speaker 2: so compelling? What's so compelling about it? Is it just

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Speaker 2: the mastery of the contestants over their chosen sport. Is

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00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: that the drama is it? Are you waiting for the

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Speaker 2: skater to fall down? Is that why you watch? Is

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Speaker 2: it all of that? What do you like best? Now?

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Speaker 2: I was going through the reasons that I I was

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Speaker 2: very happy that the Olympics didn't come here. It just

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00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: wasn't appropriate for Boston. And I'm going through some of

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Speaker 2: the reasons. But maybe you have a different view and

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00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: think it would have been a good thing. Maybe you

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Speaker 2: have an angle that I'm not thinking of. So I've

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Speaker 2: gone through some of the reasons, but there's a big one.

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Speaker 2: And the big one was the financial risks to taxpayers.

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Speaker 2: There's a binding financial guarantee. I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: knew this. The IOC, the Olympic, the International Olympic Committee,

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Speaker 2: requires host cities to sign a contract making local taxpayers

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Speaker 2: responsible for cost overruns. Yeah, that would be you. And

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Speaker 2: while the party for three weeks sounds fun, you know,

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Speaker 2: maybe a few one hundred million in cost overruns. Maybe

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Speaker 2: you don't want to pay for that. The state funder

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00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:13,840
Speaker 2: report by the Bridal Group found that organizers that's the

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00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:20,600
Speaker 2: organizers estimated construction costs excuse me, underestimated construction costs by

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Speaker 2: nine hundred and seventy million, an overrun that the taxpayers

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Speaker 2: may have you may have been on the hook for.

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Speaker 2: Does that change your mind a little? How much the

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Speaker 2: most cities, or actually the most cities have buzsure deficits

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Speaker 2: when they take on the Olympics. Historically, most Olympic host

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00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: cities base massive budget deficits. And for what Boston's already famous,

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Speaker 2: we don't need that. That's for places like Milan or

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00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: Grenobyl and by the way of the Olympics, and I

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00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 2: think the sixties, I didn't know that except I went

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Speaker 2: there and they still had their their little gondola going

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00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 2: up and down. It didn't really put Gnobil on the map,

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00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: did it. You don't hear about that every day. There

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00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: are a couple other uh issues too, graphic excuse me,

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00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 2: geographic constraints. This is a small place. It's small and overdeveloped,

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00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 2: with little room for these big, sprawling venues and stadiums

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Speaker 2: required by the IOC. And I got to tell you,

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Speaker 2: I went to Paris shortly after the Olympics, in the Olympics,

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Speaker 2: and it was a mess. Even after the Olympics were gone.

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Speaker 2: There's this beautiful area like a park area. Probably they

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Speaker 2: had this tense city there that has abandoned and it

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00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: must have been a half a mile by half a mile. Big, huge,

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00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 2: They take over your city, They overrun your city. Huge

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Speaker 2: financial risk and for what And as far as I

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Speaker 2: the way I look at it, it was a way

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Speaker 2: for the donor class, the ultra rich, to make millions

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Speaker 2: of dollars with little risk to them of putting you

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Speaker 2: on the hook. Well that's where I'm at on that.

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Speaker 2: I'm so thankful to christ Dempsey and no Boston Olympics

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Speaker 2: for fighting so hard and surprisingly winning against quote the man,

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Speaker 2: you know, winning against the rich. Huge accomplishment. Hey, do

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Speaker 2: you have any winter soup recimes? Let's share recipes. Comfort

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Speaker 2: food coming up on WBZ