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Speaker 3: Hopefully will a vacation, no idea, what's going on?

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Speaker 4: Thanks for summing it up for the world there tally

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Speaker 4: appreciate it. Thank you Joe Checker for the SoundBite and

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Speaker 4: producing the program of lining up great guests today. Brian

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Speaker 4: Morning Show. Somebody you want to talk about like the

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Speaker 4: deafening silence from since a council members an executive session yesterday,

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Speaker 4: a whole lot more than they anticipated. Sitting on eighty

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Speaker 4: The city, for its part, claims that the money has

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Speaker 4: run that interview at six zh five again, followed by

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Speaker 4: the local historian. Interesting guy, proprietor of the Cincinnati Curiosities blog,

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Speaker 4: Prior to that, he was editor of the Washington Western

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Speaker 4: contributes regularly to Cincinnati Magazine and presents entertaining history chats

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Speaker 4: author of the Cincinnti Curiosities published by the History Press.

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Speaker 4: We've got a lot of parallels to apparently draw between

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Speaker 4: apparently that was the year that we had a massive

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Speaker 4: get this quote, nineteen nineteen twenty six, the highways of

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Speaker 4: the city were in a deplorable condition. This is at

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Speaker 4: the start of the new wave of political control in

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Speaker 4: readjusting before order could come out of chaotic conditions. Yeah, said,

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Speaker 4: it's a slight parallel what's going on. I also mentioned

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Speaker 4: is a lot to compare between the city then and now.

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Speaker 4: So Greg is going to take on that in the studio.

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Speaker 4: coming up we'll talk about with Greg as well. The

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Speaker 4: return out of Tom Zawastowski. We heard from him last

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Speaker 4: Convention dot orgs's website. We got some state topics to

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Speaker 4: talk about Ohio and Minnesota. Smalley Daycare fraud link. Youet

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Speaker 4: a lot of fraud out there and sadly enough, on

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Speaker 4: that note, frightening amounts. On Sunday, judgry Segary Scott Assent

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Speaker 4: revealed the bad information for fraud, waste and abuse totals

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Speaker 4: three hundred to six hundred billion dollars a year based

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Speaker 4: on Government Accountability Office the mints of fraud losses, which

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Speaker 4: it's up to six hundred billion dollars a year lost

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Speaker 4: Favor in his statement last week's we want to make

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Speaker 4: these allegations very seriously, scrutinize any evidence of wrongdoing, hold

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Speaker 4: State rep. Said, it have been multiple reports of fraud

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Speaker 4: At least Favor is aware of it. We've got roped

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Speaker 4: a problem that exists throughout the United States of America.

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Speaker 4: I know the Trump administration is expanding efforts to investigate

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Speaker 4: all this. How many federal investigators do we have and

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Speaker 4: how much fraud, waste and abuses out there? The key

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Speaker 4: it goes out the door. Here's a thought, you have

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Speaker 4: what ultimately went out the door ended up lining the

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Speaker 4: little extra effort upfront saves people a lot of money

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Speaker 4: down the road. So what do we got there? That's

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Speaker 4: Tom's alis dawsk He'll also comment on BVIC for governor

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Speaker 4: and his running mate. For those who didn't listen, yesterday,

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Speaker 4: vive Ramaswamy joined the fifty five Case Mornings show. You

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Speaker 4: Inside Scoop it is Tuesday. Get the Inside Scoop at

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Speaker 4: Bright Barton News every Tuesday at eight oh five. The

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Speaker 4: return today at John Carney, we talked about the price

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Speaker 4: According to a tweet by Trump yesterday, welcome to reality.

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Speaker 4: Gas price continue to plumb a nationwide. Now forty three

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Speaker 4: US dates feature average gas prices under three dollars a gallon. Huh, Well,

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Speaker 4: that's good news, isn't it. There are a few states

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Speaker 4: So that topic with John Carney again eight h five,

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Speaker 4: And then finally, Dusty Roads returns former Ammon County Auto

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Speaker 4: Dusty Roads, how do property taxes work? And Cann's schools,

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Speaker 4: it's an interesting reality. We got this big year for

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Speaker 4: the election. A lot of people concerned about property taxes.

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Speaker 4: Talked to Zach Haynes the other day running for Senate

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Speaker 4: among other candidates, what do you do about property taxes?

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Speaker 4: Something needs to be done, and it's got to be

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Speaker 4: making the Democrats very happy, but they need to take

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Speaker 4: the whim out of the sales of the Democrats what

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Speaker 4: It's a common phenomenon that spreads across, of course, federal

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Speaker 4: a huge issue as we move into November. What's Dusty

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Speaker 4: of course regarding the Hinton family proposed settlement which broke

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Speaker 4: They met behind closed doors a couple of hours worth.

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Speaker 4: What was discussed Scott Wartman's quote from the inquire what

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Speaker 4: this is actually going on, Ken Cober, FOP President, Why

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Speaker 4: would you do this in executive session? Does the public

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Speaker 4: not have the right to know how their tax dollars

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Speaker 4: being spent? Great rhetorical question there, Ken, Yes, we do.

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Speaker 4: Spokeswoman for the city manager, what do you think? She said?

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Speaker 4: Decline comment. City manager hasn't released any information beyond the

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Speaker 4: statement regarding the negotiations with the Hitting family, which isn't basically, yeah,

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Speaker 4: we're in negotiations, but we're not telling you anything. Why

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Speaker 1: Is that fair? Is that right?

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Speaker 4: For what I learned the other day, sounds to me

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Speaker 5: Hey, good morning, and start off with some congratulations. My

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Speaker 4: it may be more that the case is falling apart

433
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Speaker 4: and they've got nothing that we can say. They're there,

434
00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:41,200
Speaker 4: and since it's collapsing, it's better that the witness doesn't

435
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,040
Speaker 4: show up and they can say, well, the witness didn't

436
00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,359
Speaker 4: show up. Ergo, we can't move forward with trial lacking

437
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 4: sufficient sufficient evidence to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

438
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Speaker 1: It's just a thought.

439
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 4: Five point thirty six with the five KRC the talk

440
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Speaker 4: station oklway stack a stupid coming up or or calls

441
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Speaker 4: de talk station, thank you, Chuck. It's five forty on

442
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 4: a Tuesday. Unless you factor in the two and a

443
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 4: half hour delay, we've got here. In which case, what

444
00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:14,480
Speaker 4: what time is it after the delay?

445
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:16,399
Speaker 1: Joe? Is it like six fifteen or something?

446
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 4: It's next to Wednesday of the delay, So if I

447
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 4: hit the dumb button, it's not gonna come back. Okay,

448
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,360
Speaker 4: lose the entire weeks worth of programming. Oh anyway, Fortunately

449
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 4: I only had to use that one time personally for

450
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Speaker 4: my career twentieth year in radio one time.

451
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Speaker 1: Anyway.

452
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 4: Over the local stories are rather stacked of stupid. The Phoenix,

453
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,400
Speaker 4: Arizona for this one, got a Way Mo self driving car.

454
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 4: Dave Hatter said he never in a self driving car,

455
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Speaker 4: or at least one of those autonomous taxis a lot

456
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,320
Speaker 4: of good reasons for that. I'm with Dave on that.

457
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 4: Waimo's self driving car is seen going down to Phoenix

458
00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:58,800
Speaker 4: light rail tracks this week, forcing a passioner to flee

459
00:24:58,800 --> 00:25:02,640
Speaker 4: the vehicle before it continued along the tracks near an

460
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 4: oncoming train. What video taking my bystander shows the moment

461
00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:11,240
Speaker 4: of the self driving car stops on the tracks just

462
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Speaker 4: before an oncoming light rail approaches. Passenger runs out of

463
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Speaker 4: the vehicle before the car continues. What he going down

464
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Speaker 4: the tracks near another train? Andrew Maynard the emergency transformative

465
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Speaker 4: technology professor at Arizona State University had this to say,

466
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 4: I actually felt a little sorry for the car. It

467
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,440
Speaker 4: obviously made a bad decision and got itself in a

468
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 4: difficult place.

469
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Speaker 1: Oh so.

470
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Speaker 4: Cars now have a sense of awareness in need of

471
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 4: empathy and sympathy said, while these situations are rare, they

472
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Speaker 4: do happen. Thank you Maynard for acknowledging that this is

473
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 4: exactly one of those edge cases we call them something

474
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 4: unexpected where the machine drove like a machine rather than

475
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 4: a person. Famos described as equipped with twenty nine camera

476
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 4: So the root systems updated weekly. Yet in the area

477
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 4: where the incident happened, there was construction. The light rail

478
00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 4: was added to the spot within the last year, which

479
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 4: Professor Maynard said could have contributed to the rail track

480
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Speaker 4: to detour, saying, I think WEYMO has no idea exactly.

481
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 4: My car's map system hasn't been updated since I bought it.

482
00:26:23,119 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 4: It's a twenty twenty one and you know it's German.

483
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:27,959
Speaker 4: So if I have to pay for the map upgrade,

484
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Speaker 4: I don't know. I have to get a second mortgage

485
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Speaker 4: on my house. Yeah, it has no idea like the

486
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 4: rerouting into like route thirty two where they did all

487
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 4: that road construction. Yeah, my car has no club anyway,

488
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Speaker 4: I think let's see ices. I think WAYMO is a

489
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Speaker 4: challenge because no matter what they do with their system,

490
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Speaker 4: there are always going to be unexpected circumstances where they

491
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Speaker 4: have to learn from them.

492
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Speaker 7: Oh.

493
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Speaker 4: In other words, your car has to get hit by

494
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Speaker 4: a train, and WEYMO will learn from that and then

495
00:26:55,080 --> 00:27:00,679
Speaker 4: make sure nobody else gets hit by a train. Maynard

496
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,479
Speaker 4: professors said these cars in many circumstances are safer than

497
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 4: human drivers because they don't have distractions like human drivers does. Yeah,

498
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:13,119
Speaker 4: they don't take drugs either. But light rail operation staff

499
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:16,600
Speaker 4: responded to the scene. WAIMA was contacted to minimi service

500
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 4: impacts northbound southbound trains exchange passengers before resubversing direction to

501
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 4: continue service. That from the Valley metros Bergs person. Fortunately

502
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 4: no one harmed and no significant delays came from that. Yeah,

503
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 4: coming to street car near you, Joe.

504
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:36,080
Speaker 1: Yesterday.

505
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Speaker 4: We keep installing speed bumps. I don't know if you

506
00:27:38,640 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 4: saw it. I think it was in Detroit. They had

507
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 4: video on local news from an incident, But was it Boston? Yeah,

508
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 4: that was the one. You saw it? Some idiot going

509
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 4: seventy miles an hour down a residential street that had

510
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 4: speed bumps. But it hits a speed bump and of

511
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 4: course just loses all control over the vehicle. It ends

512
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 4: up doing just tons of property damage. A guy got

513
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 4: even it was thrown out of the car, got out

514
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 4: of the car and he stood there looking at the

515
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 4: state of disbelief. Yeah, all right, and then he pulled

516
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 4: his pants up, of course, because his pants got pulled

517
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 4: that as a consequence of the of the of the

518
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,639
Speaker 4: stupidity he engaged in. But yeah, you can put the

519
00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,280
Speaker 4: speed bumps in. That doesn't believe, That doesn't mean, as

520
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:22,359
Speaker 4: the professor pointed out, that the drivers are going to

521
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 4: be safe. Five fifty Speaking of drivers, it's five fifty

522
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 4: here fifty five K see talk station Tuesday. After the

523
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 4: top of the iron is Charlie lucan former mayor and

524
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 4: a Southern Railway board member. He's not on the board anymore,

525
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 4: but he was an advocate for so on the railroad.

526
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 4: He's not an advocate for how the money is well

527
00:28:52,400 --> 00:28:55,920
Speaker 4: not being spent. Says they've insufficiently spent the money, only

528
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 4: five percent of the total money collected. Why is that

529
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Speaker 4: Charlie looking after the top of the iron is Christopher

530
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 4: Smithman is going to chine in on the behind the

531
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 4: closed doors Rodney Hinton's settlement discussion. They had an executive council,

532
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 4: which means we don't know anything, and of course, with

533
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 4: the council members refusing to speak with media, we don't

534
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 4: know anything. City manager share along not re speaking with media,

535
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 4: nor would her spokesperson. We don't know anything. Why don't

536
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 4: we know anything? So we'll get a smith event. Chapter

537
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 4: two coming up with six thirty lots of guests following

538
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 4: that as well five one, three, seven, four, nine, fifty five,

539
00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 4: eight hundred eight two to three talk gay scratching my

540
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,000
Speaker 4: head over that this is even a thing or a story.

541
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 4: Trust me, I'm a parent. My son happens to be

542
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 4: thirty one years old. But yes, a long long time ago,

543
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 4: when he was a tiny todd he did collect Pokemon cards,

544
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 4: much to my chagrin. I don't understand it. I never did.

545
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:52,360
Speaker 4: Over forty thousand dollars where the Pokemon cards stolen from

546
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 4: the Mogu Games This and Everett Washington. The owner Michael Duran,

547
00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 4: reported that the thief used an axe to smash the

548
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 4: window and take off with all these trading cards, which

549
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 4: the article describes as valuable. I suppose beauty is in

550
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 4: the eye of the beholder value. Thank you Joe us

551
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 4: reading my mind on that one. That's why I started

552
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 4: off by acknowledging that, yes, my son at one point

553
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 4: collected Pokemon cards. That's exactly how I felt about them

554
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 4: at the time. What are you doing?

555
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: Security footage captured the subject stealing the items, and why

556
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: are you doing that?

557
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 4: Well, here's the reason, Because somewhere in the world someone

558
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:40,200
Speaker 4: has valued a single card at over four thousand dollars

559
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 4: one one piece of plastic.

560
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: Idiots doing idiot things because they're idiots.

561
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Speaker 4: They are You're right, they are cardboard. You know, you

562
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 4: should get in touch with our friend of the Sinsinni

563
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 4: type in print museum to see if they could actually

564
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 4: duplicate these cards, create fake ones.

565
00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 1: I mean it is.

566
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Speaker 4: Paper breaking is one of several incidents apparently this guy's

567
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 4: store has experienced. Popular store it is. He said, We've

568
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 4: been broken into four times, We've been arm robbed once,

569
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 4: multiple snatching grabs worth thousands of dollars worth of product.

570
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 4: Frustrated at the lack of accountability for the committing crimes.

571
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 4: He also pointed out that all the local businesses in

572
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,280
Speaker 4: the area are considering leaving, that this is no Homish county,

573
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 4: he said, I mean, there is a reason why businesses

574
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,080
Speaker 4: are moving out of snow Hoomish County, Washington. Just I'm

575
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 4: here every day and now it feels like I'm targeted.

576
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 4: So mister Duran also considering rolling up the carpet after his.

577
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: Lease is up.

578
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 4: I don't want to, but at some point this town

579
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:47,960
Speaker 4: becomes very non business friendly. Yeah, when crime runs amok?

580
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:50,920
Speaker 1: All right?

581
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 4: Not familiar with the group, Joe, you're a fan of

582
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 4: Australian rock duo Bootleg Rascal. You got all of them,

583
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 4: don't you? Every one of the eight tracks? Anyway, they

584
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 4: apparently started their Reasons tour Brisbane, Australia celebrations apparently described

585
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 4: as taking a turn. What a marriage proposal didn't go

586
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 4: quite as plan video shared by the band. This is

587
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 4: like the kiss cam video, which the band described as

588
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 4: p d a gone wrong. Man scene standing on stage

589
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 4: with a microphone addressing the crowd. My partner and I

590
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:30,760
Speaker 4: came to watch Bootleg Rascal about two three years ago,

591
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 4: he said. Then he called out Jamie where are you?

592
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 4: Can you come up on stage? Quickly crowd began cheering

593
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 4: and clapping. The woman showed up out from the crowd,

594
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 4: stepped up on stage and speaking to the woman, the

595
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 4: man told her quote, we saw Bootleg Rascal about two

596
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 4: years ago. I thought, you know, they're our favorite band,

597
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 4: and I thought today, why not? Maybe today is the time.

598
00:32:56,560 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 4: Then got down on one knee. I know you know

599
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 4: what's coming. Ron didn't get the reaction he was hoping for.

600
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 4: The woman scene shaking her head, grabbing his hand before

601
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:11,240
Speaker 4: trying to pull him back up to stand. The man

602
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 4: could be heard repeating no, no, before she ran off

603
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 4: the stage. He stayed kneeling until a person dressed in

604
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 4: a Scooby Doo costume ran up and helped the man

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00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,000
Speaker 4: get to his feet. No answer or explanation as to

606
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,840
Speaker 4: why someone at this concert was wearing a Scooby Doo costume,

607
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 4: and as you might imagine, the social media commentary on

608
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 4: that one is rather comical, including some of the comments

609
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,680
Speaker 4: from the band. Yeah, get a handle on where you

610
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 4: are in your relationship. If you've talked about marriage and

611
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 4: this is like a foregun conclusion, then yeah, maybe go

612
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 4: ahead and do it. In public if you think that's right,

613
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 4: as long as that possibility of embarrassment, though, isn't there

614
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 4: five and five fifty five kr CE DE Talk Station

615
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 4: Charlie Lucan, former mayor and former Southern Railway Board member,

616
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 4: on why the hell isn't the city spending the railway

617
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 4: money that got coming in a lot of it to

618
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Speaker 4: Christopher Smithman at six point thirty on the executive session

619
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Speaker 4: from Sinceney City Council where we learned absolutely nothing that's

620
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 4: coming up.

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Speaker 1: I hope you can stick around.

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Speaker 2: Today's tough headlines coming up at.

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Speaker 4: The top it Hey, it's Brian Thomas. Pleased to welcome

624
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:26,760
Speaker 4: former mayor of the City of Cincinnati and former member

625
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 4: of the Cincinni Southern Railway Board who did advocate for

626
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Speaker 4: the sale the one point six billion dollars sale the

627
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 4: railroad previously owned by the city. That money put into

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00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 4: a interest generating fund to produce more money than we

629
00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 4: were getting annually through the lease deal. And apparently that's

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00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 4: worked out. We had a good investment year last year.

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Speaker 4: But Charlie Lucan, you were interviewed by the Cincinnati Inquirer

632
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Speaker 4: several days ago and you expressed some disappointment that the

633
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 4: railway money which has apparently come in, but that only

634
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 4: five percent of what's.

635
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Speaker 1: Come in has been spent.

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Speaker 4: Your reaction to this and what's your take on why

637
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Speaker 4: it hasn't been spent, Charlie.

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00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 3: Well, first, two years ago, Brian, we promised the voters

639
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 3: that we were going to do this, and when we

640
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:10,919
Speaker 3: did it, if we generated the money we expected, which

641
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,600
Speaker 3: we have, and then some that we would get to

642
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:19,759
Speaker 3: work on streets, bridges, playgrounds, et cetera. And so it passed.

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Speaker 3: The money's there. There's one point almost one point nine

644
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 3: billion now in that fun Two years later and yeah.

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00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:27,920
Speaker 8: It's up.

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00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 3: It's up two hundred and fifty eight million dollars. So uh,

647
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: and that's after paying the city there fifty seven million

648
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:42,320
Speaker 3: dollar allot meant last year. So yeah, we promised. It's

649
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Speaker 3: getting bottlenecked at the City's inexcusable. And I finally I'm

650
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 3: not on the board anymore. I resigned after we passed it.

651
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Speaker 3: I still think it was a good idea to pass it.

652
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Speaker 3: I'd rather have the city in the board's hands for this,

653
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Speaker 3: for the benefit of the taxpayers than in the railroads.

654
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Speaker 3: But right now we're not getting much done with.

655
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Speaker 1: Well, that seems obvious.

656
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Speaker 4: And as the reporting points out, and you pointed out

657
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Speaker 4: four point five million spent out of the eighty five

658
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 4: million in railway money that apparently is available, that's the

659
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Speaker 4: interest that was generated off of it. But Molly Lair,

660
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Speaker 4: who is the city manager spokesperson, said, well, fifty one

661
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 4: million of the railroad money in this fiscal year has

662
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 4: been allocated toward road projects in various stages of planning

663
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Speaker 4: and developments, as well as a million more railroad dollars

664
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Speaker 4: allocated toward other infrastructure. It seems to me she's drowing

665
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Speaker 4: a distinction between allocation and spending.

666
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Speaker 3: So that's right, that's Washington speak. Yes, all that is

667
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 3: you can allocate things all day, you can plan things

668
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 3: all day, but it doesn't get it doesn't get the

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Speaker 3: shovels in.

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Speaker 4: The ground right now, Which leads me to a burning question.

671
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Speaker 4: I think I'm not the only one that has who

672
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Speaker 4: selects the projects. We were all told that this money

673
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 4: could only be spent on existing infrastructure. I mean, we're

674
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Speaker 4: behind four hundred or so road mile repairs. We all

675
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:08,840
Speaker 4: can name a ton of projects. You alluded to a

676
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 4: few at your opening statements on the interview here of

677
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Speaker 4: what needs to be done. So we all know what

678
00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 4: infrastructure is. But any of these projects have they been scrutinized?

679
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 4: Do we know what this the allocated money is going toward.

680
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 4: Has anyone done a review and thoughtful analysis of whether

681
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Speaker 4: it falls in the category of existing infrastructure? Because we

682
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 4: were all expecting the Shenanigans to come out of the

683
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Speaker 4: city council like they build a second leg of the

684
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Speaker 4: street car, which I would argue isn't existing. So where

685
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Speaker 4: are we on this and do we know what I

686
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Speaker 4: would too?

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Speaker 3: I would argue that, and we had that conversation. But

688
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 3: there is a list, it has been studied, this list theoretically,

689
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 3: when we passed it, we were toward I was told

690
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:52,080
Speaker 3: that all these projects were quote shovel ready and I

691
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,799
Speaker 3: looked at them and they are all the things that

692
00:37:55,920 --> 00:38:00,920
Speaker 3: you would think are basic to a city, playgrounds, regis streets,

693
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Speaker 3: et cetera. I mean, there's there's a list of five

694
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars plus and growing, and unfortunately the money

695
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 3: hasn't gotten there. So we have not benefited as a

696
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Speaker 3: city much at this point from the passage of the

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Speaker 3: railroad issue.

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Speaker 4: Well, can I ask you a direct question. Does the

699
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Speaker 4: the Cincinni Police Department and stuff? We're down a couple

700
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Speaker 4: of hundred officers. The problem is obviously known, and at

701
00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 4: least I've finally been acknowledged by AFTAB provol and some

702
00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 4: of the other members accounts. We do have a crime problem,

703
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 4: but we can't get anybody to take the police positions.

704
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Speaker 4: Can the railroad money, because since a have to have

705
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Speaker 4: Parvole is talking about increasing the income tax for the

706
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Speaker 4: purposes of public safety, can the railroad money be properly

707
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 4: allocated to help support the police department made by raises

708
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Speaker 4: or something. Isn't it an existing infrastructure?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 3: What the what the railroad money can be used for

711
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Speaker 3: is to alleviate some of the stress stress on the

712
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:05,600
Speaker 3: safety budget by let's say, remodeling District two or buying

713
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 3: new police cars, or buying new computers or new weaponry

714
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 3: or whatever it might be that is existing infrastructure. But

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00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 3: in terms of paying salaries, this was all put in

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Speaker 3: a guard rail by my old friend Bill Siitez in

717
00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 3: Ohio and the Ohio legislature before this whole thing passed,

718
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Speaker 3: So it's pretty strict and you can't pay salaries out

719
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 3: of it, which I have to think is a is

720
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 3: a good thing, because lord knows what they would spend

721
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Speaker 3: it on if.

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Speaker 1: You could, yeah, iris contracts or something on this.

723
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Speaker 3: Brian, Brian, I want to emphasize this is this is

724
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:51,360
Speaker 3: not brain surgery. This is pretty basic running a city stuff.

725
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Speaker 3: And when you ask why there's no money getting out there,

726
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: and the answer is because it takes a while to

727
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 3: contract or because we are doing compliance, that's unacceptable. I

728
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 3: agree that is just that is just government jargon. That

729
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 3: means nothing. It means we can't do it. And you

730
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Speaker 3: have to at some point question the basic competence of

731
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Speaker 3: the people that are that are in charge and supposed

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Speaker 3: to be able to do this well.

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Speaker 4: Greasing the skids, get the money out into the world

734
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Speaker 4: where it's going to do the most good. If they've

735
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Speaker 4: identified that as a problem, sounds to me like that

736
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 4: an easy thing to fix in front of them.

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Speaker 8: That's right, it's fairly easy.

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Speaker 3: And I would this this probably will never happen, but

739
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Speaker 3: I would recommend that they get somebody from business or

740
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Speaker 3: a few people and they create some kind of an

741
00:40:47,920 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 3: extra outside city hall group that's going to take this

742
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Speaker 3: list and that's going to work this list through with

743
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Speaker 3: the money that's already there, and I think we might

744
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Speaker 3: make some progress because I just think it's this is

745
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 3: one of those things where it's sitting on this guy's

746
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 3: desk for a while and this woman's desk for a while,

747
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Speaker 3: and it never goes anywhere.

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Speaker 4: We need the outside sector and their knowledge and experience

749
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Speaker 4: to fix the problems with the city government because the

750
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 4: city government doesn't know how to get the money out

751
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 4: into the world where it needs to where.

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Speaker 1: It can help us. That's interesting, Charlie Luke, And it

753
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: really is.

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Speaker 3: Well that's what I think. I mean. You know, I

755
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 3: created the three CDC, and that's was created primarily because

756
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 3: the city did not know how to do economic development.

757
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:39,200
Speaker 3: So now it's given to people outside to do what

758
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 3: was the business of the city. And I know that

759
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 3: sounds like, well, why do we have the.

760
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Speaker 1: Government at all?

761
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Speaker 3: But I think that's the answer here.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's also it forces us to go into another

763
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Speaker 4: discussion and we don't need to do engage in a

764
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Speaker 4: lengthy ones sir, about the work that non government organizations do.

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Speaker 4: They get the money because they're allegedly in a better

766
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Speaker 4: position to fix the need that they're being given money

767
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 4: to fix. And yet we find out quite often that

768
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,879
Speaker 4: money is used for political purposes, is not properly spent,

769
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Speaker 4: or there is no oversight to see that those NGOs

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Speaker 4: are doing what they promised to do with the taxpayer

771
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Speaker 4: money allocation, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I get that, but I you know, going

773
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Speaker 3: back to the three CDC example, if you get the

774
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 3: right folks who are in it for the right reasons,

775
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: and I think they're out there, I think I think

776
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 3: you can make a big difference. But we're just going

777
00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 3: in circles. And as I say, I campaigned for this,

778
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,839
Speaker 3: you probably recall it there. You will recall there where

779
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,839
Speaker 3: a lot of people are against it, and I get that,

780
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 3: but those of us that campaigned for it are starting

781
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 3: to look pretty bad.

782
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 4: Well, and you do have a reputation to protect, and

783
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 4: it's a solid reputation, Charlie Lukan, You've done well by

784
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 4: the city, and I know you have all the right motivations,

785
00:42:56,520 --> 00:42:59,240
Speaker 4: but this does look bad. The optics are terrible. Where

786
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,359
Speaker 4: is the money, Charlie Lucan, he said he'd bring it

787
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 4: to us. It's there, and it's turned out to be

788
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 4: better than we originally thought. The problem seems to be

789
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Speaker 4: with the ones that are responsible for it. I guess

790
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 4: it takes really the right folks to choose the right

791
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 4: outside folks to make sure the work gets done. Maybe

792
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 4: that leads us to where our problem is my subjective opinion,

793
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:20,440
Speaker 4: Charlie Lucan, keep up the great work and keep speaking

794
00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 4: out loud about this. I know that we will all

795
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 4: benefit ultimately once they get this money out into the world.

796
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 4: And I know that was your goal and talking to

797
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 4: the enquire about it. And it's been a pleasure to

798
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 4: have you speak with my listeners of me today. It's

799
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 4: really great.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Brian see the talk.

802
00:43:34,080 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 4: Station at six twenty here at fifty five Kerr see

803
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Speaker 4: the talk station five point three seven eight hundred eight

804
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Speaker 4: two three talk on five fifty on AT and T phones.

805
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Speaker 2: Huh.

806
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Speaker 4: Interesting analysis, Charlie Lucan, just speaking truth to power, saying

807
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:51,759
Speaker 4: it like it is. Look sounds to me like you

808
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:56,240
Speaker 4: can boil this down to absolute incompetence or bureaucracy. People

809
00:43:56,239 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 4: that don't know where to spend the money. Necessarily, they're

810
00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 4: sitting on eighty some odd million dollars, only five percent

811
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 4: of that has actually been spent on existing infrastructure projects.

812
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 4: And you seem to be comfortable that this money is

813
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:14,479
Speaker 4: only going to existing infrastructure, which was the limitation. So yeah,

814
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 4: you can get the police stuff, but you can't use

815
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,320
Speaker 4: to pay salaries. And of course I appreciate the concerns

816
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 4: that would be raised if you could use this railroad

817
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 4: money for salaries, going back to the idle common about

818
00:44:24,040 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 4: Irish Rowley. But we need outside people that know what

819
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Speaker 4: they're doing. Is that a veiled shot at since the

820
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 4: city council for a suggestion that they don't know what

821
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Speaker 4: they're doing? Or can we just just walk away collectively

822
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 4: and objectively agreeing that maybe they don't. You need the

823
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Speaker 4: right folks with the right motivations. Referring to this outside

824
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 4: entity that he thinks should be quality should be you know,

825
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 4: business individuals who have an understanding of infrastructure projects, how

826
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Speaker 4: to get them done and accomplished, to get the money

827
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Speaker 4: out into the world where you and I might benefit

828
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Speaker 4: from it. The operative ord and that statement might because

829
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Speaker 4: do we have any idea which projects the money has

830
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 4: been allocated to. I suppose we can track where the

831
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 4: five percent has been spent, Probably not on a road

832
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,440
Speaker 4: in your neighborhood, maybe speed bumps in your neighborhood. But

833
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 4: what about the projects that you know they have been

834
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:21,799
Speaker 4: approved this fifty one some odd million dollars. Do we

835
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 4: have any idea on that? And I'm just asking out

836
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 4: loud because I don't know that they have any open

837
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 4: meetings for people to offer suggestions about where this money

838
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 4: should be prioritized. Since a council can't get the money spent,

839
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 4: if they're having struggles getting contracts in place or getting approvals,

840
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,919
Speaker 4: maybe they need to look inwardly and figure out why

841
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 4: it's so damn hard to get a project to prove

842
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 4: and listen to everybody who's tried to get a project

843
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 4: approved in the city of Cincinnati walking into a bureaucratic nightmare.

844
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Speaker 4: Back to my friend the late Elmer Hensler from Queen

845
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 4: City Sausage. He just merely wanted to expand his plant.

846
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,240
Speaker 4: That's all he wanted to do. Expand it, make it bigger,

847
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 4: create more jobs. It's an industrial area of the city already.

848
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Speaker 4: It's not like they were planning on doing a housing

849
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 4: project there. He had the space, he owned it. It

850
00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:15,239
Speaker 4: took him years and years because of the bureaucratic red

851
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 4: tape to expand a facility that was going to do

852
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:20,400
Speaker 4: nothing but benefit the City of Cincinnati by greater tax revenue.

853
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Speaker 1: Why but he's just.

854
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Speaker 4: One that I know of in a long, long, long

855
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 4: line of people who are screaming and yelling about wanting

856
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:31,080
Speaker 4: to do development in any given neighborhood to the benefit

857
00:46:31,120 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 4: of the neighborhood and stop by Cincinni City Council or

858
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 4: the bureaucratic Mexicos on behind the scenes, asked Corey Bowman.

859
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 4: He described many times here in the Morning Show when

860
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 4: he was running from mayor about the struggles in his

861
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 4: neighborhood in the West End. West End really could use

862
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 4: an infusion of development. There are developers out there apparently

863
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:50,919
Speaker 4: that want to do that, but they're blocked. I don't

864
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 4: know by what the city's view of what the future

865
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:58,560
Speaker 4: is going to look like in its mind as opposed

866
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Speaker 4: to what the residents of any neighborhood.

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Speaker 1: One.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there's that impediment. So I guess all in all,

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Speaker 4: for those who didn't think that the interest generated would

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Speaker 4: meet what we were making by way of lease payment

871
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Speaker 4: or when we were negotiating this, because the lease deal

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Speaker 4: is up which led to the sale of the railroad,

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Speaker 4: how much we could have negotiated by way of an

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Speaker 4: increase in annual lease payments. At least when you have

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Speaker 4: a good market year like last year, the interest generated

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Speaker 4: is significant, and I would argue does exceed what we

877
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Speaker 4: would have what we might have been able to wrestle

878
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Speaker 4: out of the railroad by way of an ongoing lease arrangement.

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Speaker 4: That said, the money apparently isn't doing any good for

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Speaker 4: the city of Cincinnati. Unbelievable. Yet, we do need competent

881
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Speaker 4: people who know what they're doing, and elections do have consequences.

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Speaker 4: Six twenty five, If you've have KC detalk station, Christopher

883
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Speaker 4: Smitheman returns has a reaction to the closed door session

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Speaker 4: yesterday with a very happy one to you. Comping up

885
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Speaker 4: off the top of the our news, we'll hear from

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Speaker 4: Greg Hand. He's a local historian and comedian. Similarities between

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Speaker 4: twenty County or since in twenty twenty six and nineteen

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Speaker 4: twenty six, Tom's Awastowski fast Forward one hour got a

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Speaker 4: variety of state topics to talk about with him, the Ohio, Minnesota,

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Speaker 4: Somali daycare fraud link, et cetera. In the meantime, Welcome Back,

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Speaker 4: Volume two, we're making this a habit. Christopher Smith and

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Speaker 4: former virus mayor of the City of Cincinnati with the

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Speaker 4: Smither event. Christopher, your reaction to council, Yes, going into

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Speaker 4: executive session and note not speaking a word to the press,

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Speaker 4: not a single council member, the city manager, the city

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Speaker 4: manager spokesperson, the mayor. Nothing. We have no idea what happened, Christopher.

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Speaker 4: Welcome back, my friend. It's always great having you on.

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Speaker 9: Hey, thank you so much. It's everything that's wrong with government.

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Speaker 9: Brian Thomas, you know, of one to go into executive

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Speaker 9: session and not tell the public the agenda of the

901
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Speaker 9: executive session. Yeah, that's right, that's a good session. You're

902
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Speaker 9: supposed to say, this is the reason we're going into

903
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Speaker 9: executive session, and our discussion is very narrow. I mean,

904
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Speaker 9: you tell the public the agenda because you don't want to.

905
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Speaker 9: You don't want to say, we're going into executive session

906
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Speaker 9: and we're going to be talking about all of these

907
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Speaker 9: other things. Right, so to go and just deal with

908
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Speaker 9: that issue. But the public should have been informed prior

909
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Speaker 9: to the executive session, and there should have been a

910
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Speaker 9: roll call vote of all non members of council of

911
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Speaker 9: what the agenda was. It's all secrecy, and it's all

912
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Speaker 9: intentional for our city government to conceal their discussions with

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Speaker 9: the settlement talks with the Hinton family.

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Speaker 4: Well, Christopher, you know, based on what you said, they

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Speaker 4: could have been talking about something completely different. We've all

916
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Speaker 4: been operating under the presumption that the closed door meeting

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Speaker 4: was in as a consequence of the revelations that there

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Speaker 4: were settlement discussions going on behind the scenes between the

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Speaker 4: city manager and the Hinting attorneys. Either of those sides

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Speaker 4: denied discussions were ongoing. I think they just most argued

921
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Speaker 4: with the characterization in the media. But that's what the

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Speaker 4: predicate wast well as presumably that's what they went in

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Speaker 4: there for. But we really don't even know that, do we.

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Speaker 9: We don't. If I were a lawyer, I would be

925
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Speaker 9: filing a lawsuit against the City of Cincinnati today asking

926
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Speaker 9: for the agenda. What was the agenda of the executive session.

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Speaker 9: You don't have to tell me what you discussed, there

928
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Speaker 9: are no notes, but you at least have to tell

929
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Speaker 9: the public what the agenda was. You can't just go

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Speaker 9: into secrecy as a government, close the doors and not

931
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Speaker 9: tell the taxpayers, who are, by the way, the ones

932
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Speaker 9: who are on the hook to pay the bill. What

933
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Speaker 9: you're talking about. But this is the secrecy of this mayor,

934
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Speaker 9: this manager, and this council, and elections have consequences. My

935
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Speaker 9: heart goes out to every law enforcement officer that's out

936
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Speaker 9: there because I wanted to share, which I know you covered, Brian,

937
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Speaker 9: is this is the case last year where the young

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Speaker 9: man had a gun and a stolen car running from

939
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Speaker 9: an officer. He was African American, the officer involved was white.

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Speaker 9: That young man turned with a weapon and unfortunately that

941
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Speaker 9: officer had to take his life for fear of his

942
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Speaker 9: own life. We've had the prosecutor clear him. They have

943
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Speaker 9: much economy prosecutor clear him. Obviously, we have the Cincinnati

944
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Speaker 9: Police Department clear him. The bottom line was, my heart

945
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Speaker 9: goes out to any loss of life. But the officer

946
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Speaker 9: made a split second decisions, which is what they have

947
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Speaker 9: to do every single day. The hitting family, the father

948
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Speaker 9: then decided the next day he was going to take

949
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Speaker 9: his vehicle and run over a sheriff. A sheriff who

950
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Speaker 9: has nothing to do with the Cincinnati Police Department. He's

951
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Speaker 9: out there, he had adopted a couple of children. He's

952
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Speaker 9: out there, had retired doing traffic at a at a

953
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Speaker 9: UC graduation and the father ran him over. This council

954
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Speaker 9: went into executive session most likely to discuss a settlement

955
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Speaker 9: to the family because their child was shot who had

956
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Speaker 9: a gun in a stolen car running from an officer.

957
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Speaker 9: And that is what is so sad about all of this.

958
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Speaker 9: If I were a taxpayer, if I were a lawyer,

959
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Speaker 9: I would be filing a lawsuit today demanding what the

960
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Speaker 9: agenda was of that executive session.

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Speaker 4: And so to be clear on this, and let me

962
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Speaker 4: leave no question mark to go into executive session, there

963
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Speaker 4: is a rule an obligation for counsel to let the

964
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Speaker 4: public know the subject matter of the executive session, and

965
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Speaker 4: that did not happen yesterday before.

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Speaker 1: They went in.

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00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 9: That's that's my understanding.

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Speaker 1: Well, you were a former vice Manati.

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00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 9: Oh no, that's the truth. Oh no, that's the truth.

970
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 9: But the question is if no one can calls you

971
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Speaker 9: on it. That's why lawsuits after the attorney, because people

972
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Speaker 9: do things that are illegal and they get away with it.

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Speaker 9: The question is will counsel in a transparent way communicate

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Speaker 9: with the public why they went into executive session. So

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Speaker 9: for example, for example, I sit as one commissioner appointed

976
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Speaker 9: by the governor over the casinos for the state of Ohio. Okay,

977
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 9: we went into executive session approximately two months ago. All right,

978
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:36,680
Speaker 9: roll call vote of all seven commissioners and an agenda

979
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Speaker 9: item of what we were going to discuss. We were

980
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Speaker 9: being sued in our capacity as commissioners, and we communicated

981
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Speaker 9: we're going into executive sessions so our lawyer can brief

982
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Speaker 9: fund right on that litigation. That's why we went into

983
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Speaker 9: executive session. And guess what when we went into executive session,

984
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Speaker 9: we only discussed that agenda item and then came out

985
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Speaker 9: of executive session and brought the public back in.

986
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Speaker 4: That's the way it's you do, That's the way it's

987
00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 4: supposed to work. And knowing full well that that's the

988
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 4: way it's supposed to work, why did the city take

989
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Speaker 4: us down this road which might lead to even more

990
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Speaker 4: litigation and more legal expenses. Let's pause when Christopher smith'ment

991
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Speaker 4: back six point thirty seven right now, if you have

992
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Speaker 4: kersee the talk station, well, if this sounds like you,

993
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Speaker 4: SI fifty five KRSD talk station bran Tooma was reacting

994
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Speaker 4: with Christopher's Smith aman reacting to the behind the closed

995
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Speaker 4: doors meeting. So, going back to Christopher's point, it is

996
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Speaker 4: an obligation of the council rules that they let the

997
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Speaker 4: public know what a closed door session is all about,

998
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,680
Speaker 4: because we don't get any information from inside the closed

999
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Speaker 4: door session. So it is a critically important obligation for counsel.

1000
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Speaker 4: Chris said, it's so much so that someone could file

1001
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Speaker 4: a lawsuit for them having violated that because we presume

1002
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Speaker 4: they were talking about this Hinton settlement, but we don't

1003
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Speaker 4: know that for sure. Obviously the lid was blown off.

1004
00:54:53,000 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 4: I think much of the chagrantish Cheryl Long and the

1005
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Speaker 4: Hitting family lawyers that it was released to the public

1006
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Speaker 4: that they were talking about settlement. We know they were,

1007
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Speaker 4: but we don't know that that's what happened yesterday.

1008
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Speaker 1: Christopher.

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Speaker 4: With the rule being what it is, and the fact

1010
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Speaker 4: that they've gone down this road before they bought litigation

1011
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Speaker 4: under your scenario, they knew was going to happen. So

1012
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Speaker 4: they subjected the sinsin taxpayer to even more expense because

1013
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:17,319
Speaker 4: now we're going to litigate the failure to let us

1014
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 4: know what's going on in executive session.

1015
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Speaker 8: Yeah.

1016
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Speaker 9: Now again I'm going to go back and let me

1017
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Speaker 9: make this point too, which I think is interesting. When

1018
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Speaker 9: I served on council, right, I never remember ever going

1019
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Speaker 9: into executive session. I want to emphasize that to you.

1020
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Speaker 9: So that last ten year run that I served, I

1021
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Speaker 9: never remember council going into executive session. Okay, so this

1022
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Speaker 9: is very unusual for city council to say I'm going

1023
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Speaker 9: into executive session. It could be that they don't even understand.

1024
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Speaker 9: Meaning when I served right now currently as one of

1025
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Speaker 9: seven commissioners for casinos across the state of Ohio, again

1026
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Speaker 9: we went into executive session. We each of us had

1027
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Speaker 9: to do a roll call vote. The seven of us,

1028
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Speaker 9: we all had to sign a document saying we were

1029
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Speaker 9: going into executive session, and we had to stick to

1030
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Speaker 9: that agenda item and come out of executive session. When

1031
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Speaker 9: you're dealing with the government and the people's money, it

1032
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Speaker 9: just makes logical common sense to think, Number one, you

1033
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Speaker 9: don't go into executive session lightly. But when you go

1034
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Speaker 9: into executive session and you close the door, you have

1035
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Speaker 9: to at least tell the public why you're going into

1036
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Speaker 9: executive session, the purpose of it. You don't have to

1037
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Speaker 9: tell us what you said. There are no notes, you

1038
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Speaker 9: don't have to say what was discussed you know, da

1039
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Speaker 9: da da da dad between your lawyer, the city manager

1040
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Speaker 9: and the nine members of council. But you do have

1041
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Speaker 9: to tell us the agenda.

1042
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,480
Speaker 4: Well, and you just pointed out a reason why you

1043
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Speaker 4: needed exactecutive session private conversations, attorney client communications you've got

1044
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 4: to have with a larger group of people being represented

1045
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Speaker 4: by that council. That is not the type of information

1046
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Speaker 4: that you generally want shared with the general public. You

1047
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Speaker 4: can't be candid and open with your lawyer if you

1048
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Speaker 4: know it's going to be widely reported. So that will

1049
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Speaker 4: be a valid justification. But what of a discussion about settlement?

1050
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Speaker 4: Is that a worthy executive session declaration? Had they gone

1051
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Speaker 4: in ahead of time and said we are going into

1052
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Speaker 4: executive session to discuss the settlement, is that akin to

1053
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Speaker 4: the attorney client privileged kind of conversation, would it serve

1054
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Speaker 4: as a justification.

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Speaker 9: I don't think so. I mean, the nine members of

1056
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Speaker 9: council are not being sued. The people who are going

1057
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Speaker 9: to pay the bill are the tax payers, so they

1058
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Speaker 9: deserve to know what that bill's going to look like.

1059
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Speaker 9: You're not going into executive session saying, hey, you're being sued.

1060
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Speaker 9: You might be deposed here's you know, here's your here's

1061
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Speaker 9: here's our position. I mean, you're a lawyer. Our only

1062
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Speaker 9: discussion in that executive session was to discuss the legal

1063
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Speaker 9: ramifications of those seven members.

1064
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Speaker 7: That's it.

1065
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Speaker 9: It's a very narrow discussion. And I want to remind

1066
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Speaker 9: you we all took a vote, we all signed a document,

1067
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Speaker 9: and we stuck to that agenda item. So I don't

1068
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Speaker 9: know what this new wave stuff City Hall is doing,

1069
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Speaker 9: but I'm sharing with you. Just just everybody use your

1070
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,640
Speaker 9: common sense. The government is supposed to be open. That's

1071
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Speaker 9: why you have UH rules and law state rules that say, hey,

1072
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Speaker 9: you can't five members of council can't just go out.

1073
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Speaker 9: That was the gang of fire. You just can't go

1074
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Speaker 9: out and start having private meeting that lunch discussing the agenda, right.

1075
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Speaker 9: It was all about open access to public discussion, right.

1076
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Speaker 9: So it's it's very important. And I think that if

1077
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Speaker 9: council did not tell us why they're what their agenda was,

1078
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Speaker 9: not what they discussed, that is absolutely a problem. Period.

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Speaker 9: And go back on the fat pattern here. This is

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Speaker 9: why law enforcement Brian Thomas, when we're dealing with ice,

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Speaker 9: we've got people across the country who are standing in

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Speaker 9: front of police vehicles. They're blocking a law enforcement cars

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Speaker 9: in whether it's ice or whether it's a local police

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Speaker 9: officer who's being ambushed while sitting in their car eating

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Speaker 9: lunch in uniform, out of uniform. We're seeing this all

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Speaker 9: across the United States of America. My point is that

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Speaker 9: the meat of this is a young man who made

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Speaker 9: a series of poor decisions gun stolen car, jumping out

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Speaker 9: of the car, running from an officer, turning towards that officer,

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Speaker 9: and the officer unfortunately having to make that decision to

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Speaker 9: fire his weapon and take his life. That's what we're discussing.

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Speaker 9: How do you think, Brian Thomas, if this council settles

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Speaker 9: this lawsuit and gives it family money after the father

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Speaker 9: made the decision the next day to kill a sheriff,

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Speaker 9: how in the world, what kind of message? How do

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Speaker 9: you think that impacts the morale of every peace officer

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Speaker 9: in the state of Ohio and across the country.

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Speaker 4: Well, let me just leave that lay there. I understand

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Speaker 4: it's more of a rhetorical question, but I'll bring it

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Speaker 4: right back and just get a quick comment about Alex Trevinsky,

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Speaker 4: who was cited for defending himself in the beatdown brawl,

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Speaker 4: And how do you think that makes officers feel when

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Speaker 4: they don't want to issue a citation because they don't

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Speaker 4: see any crime committed. And yet we're apparently forced to

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Speaker 4: bring Christopher back real quick on that one. First, Susette

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Speaker 4: Low's camp for all your mortgage needs. You are the

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Speaker 4: best possible hands with Susette. You will love working with her.

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Speaker 4: She's with Christopher smitheman on the phone. Christopher just pivoting

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Speaker 4: over briefly to the trial of Alex Ttravinsky, who is

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Speaker 4: the slap guy in the multiple beatdown. He was charged

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Speaker 4: with disorderly conduct, which carries up to thirty days in

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Speaker 4: jail on twohundred fifty dollars fine. The other seven people

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Speaker 4: were charged with felonies, including the one who punched Holly

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Speaker 4: in the face so hard and knocked her out. Unbelievable

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Speaker 4: that now Alex got a charge against him with this

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Speaker 4: disorderly conduct in spite of the fact that the officers

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Speaker 4: on the scene did not believe that charge was motivated

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Speaker 4: or necessary. There weren't sufficient facts there, and yet ultimately

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Speaker 4: I believe it was Lieutenant Henny now police Chief Henny

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Speaker 4: ended up issuing the citation to Henny at apparently the

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Speaker 4: behest of I don't know was it the city manager,

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Speaker 4: but it wasn't something that any of the members of

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Speaker 4: law enforcement wanted to do, yet he issued it. Now

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Speaker 4: he's been caught. Henny has been caught as a defense witness,

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Speaker 4: as have been the police detectives in Alex Stravinski's trial.

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Speaker 4: So with yesterday's continuance, because the city prosecutors said one

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Speaker 4: of her witnesses didn't show up, I think that's an

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Speaker 4: illustration or a suggestion that the case is going to

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Speaker 4: ultimately be dismissed because if he doesn't show up the

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Speaker 4: next time, they throw the case out. Maybe that's been

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Speaker 4: set up to just have that result, because the case

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Speaker 4: isn't going anywhere, Christopher your response, it's.

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Speaker 9: Not going anywhere. Clearly his lawyers have said, you know,

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Speaker 9: and I thought it was the right decision to say,

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Speaker 9: we're going to trial, like, we're not shopping the case,

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Speaker 9: we're not trying to settle anything, right, because part of

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Speaker 9: this is they've got to clear this man's name. I mean,

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Speaker 9: members of council, the city manager, everybody was out there

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Speaker 9: saying these crazy things about this man and so you know,

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Speaker 9: his reputation absolutely was impacted, and his ability to get

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Speaker 9: a job to you know, all of that is going

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Speaker 9: to going to be on the table. Number One, he's

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Speaker 9: going to be found not guilty. This case is not

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01:02:35,600 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 9: going anywhere. It's dead on a rival. You and I

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01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 9: know that. So the next question is going to be

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Speaker 9: his lawyer's going to turn around and file a lawsuit

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Speaker 9: against the City of Cincinnati. They're going to win that lawsuit, period,

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Speaker 9: and the city's going to have to give millions of dollars. Now,

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Speaker 9: if I am his lawyer and I just saw you

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Speaker 9: give out eight point one million, I then turn around

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Speaker 9: and say, oh, you're going to give the in family

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Speaker 9: millions of dollars? What do you think they're going to

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Speaker 9: have to give this man? See, they're setting this thing up, man.

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Speaker 9: And then when you look, you look at Chief Washington,

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Speaker 9: you look at Chief Fiji. Just go down the list

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Speaker 9: of people that they're going to have to settle with.

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Speaker 9: And I'm talking about in twenty twenty sixth and twenty

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Speaker 9: twenty seven, we're talking about an indemnity debt of probably

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Speaker 9: north of twenty million dollars in litigation. Again, I don't

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Speaker 9: know why they went into executive session yesterday, but they

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Speaker 9: owe us an explanation of what the agenda item was.

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Speaker 9: You know, I will make sure I end with that.

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Speaker 9: You and I shouldn't be speculating why our government went

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Speaker 9: behind closed doors. We should know why they went behind

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Speaker 9: closed doors. And so that point right there. I think

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Speaker 9: if we had a healthy media, if we had healthy journalism,

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Speaker 9: right they would be asking the questions that you and

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Speaker 9: I are talking about right now. It wouldn't just be

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Speaker 9: all Council went into executive session, and there's no need

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Speaker 9: for us to know what our government was talking about

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Speaker 9: behind closed doors. Somebody would have already asked that question,

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Speaker 9: and the headline we should have said something like Counsel

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Speaker 9: went into executive session without sharing what the agenda was.

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Speaker 4: Exclamation point, Christopher Smithman. Always appreciate your thoughts and comments

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Speaker 4: and insights. We will patiently wait for local news to

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Speaker 4: find out why exactly they went into executive session. You know,

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Speaker 4: I guess members of Council are free to at least

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Speaker 4: give us that little piece of information without violating rules

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Speaker 4: about what goes on inside executive session.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: So there's a whole bunch of them out there that

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Speaker 4: can answer the question. Strange the administration wants to continue

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Speaker 4: this cloak and dagger nonsense. It certainly delegitimizes them. When

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Speaker 4: you add all these things together, you come up with

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Speaker 4: an administration that really wants to keep the truth away

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Speaker 4: from the public.

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Speaker 9: No question, I can see. I can see Joe Strecker

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Speaker 9: sitting an email to each member of members of council

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Speaker 9: as a media person saying, I have one question, what

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Speaker 9: was your agenda item last night or yesterday afternoon? Why

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Speaker 9: did you go into executive session? No discussion about your agenda,

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Speaker 9: but what was the agenda?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he suspects these things.

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Speaker 9: Something tells me that there are going to be some

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Speaker 9: emails going to members of city Council asking them that question.

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Speaker 4: Stead maybe, but according I mean Scott Wortman tried yesterday

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Speaker 4: after the meeting. They all declined to comment, along with

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Speaker 4: the city manager, of the city managers spokesperson, the mayor.

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Speaker 4: No one said anything. We'll see your popcorn out Jay

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Speaker 4: Chris for Elections have consequences, don't they.

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Speaker 9: Elections have consequences. Brian Thomas, thank you so much. People

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Speaker 9: can follow me on x at vote Smitherman, thank you, brother.

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Speaker 4: Take care of my friend, we'll talk on Monday. Stick

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Speaker 4: around on top of the other news, Greg Handy's local historian, does.

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Speaker 1: Some comment.

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Speaker 4: Seven six here peb krc DE Talk station. I hope

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Speaker 4: you're having a very happy Tuesday. Put a smile on

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Speaker 4: your face. In this segment, we're gonna hear from Tom's

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Speaker 4: Alastawski at the bottom of this hour matters political and

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Speaker 4: we'll get the inside scoop at bright Bart News in

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Speaker 4: an hour, followed by the Daniel Davis Deep Dive at

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Speaker 4: a thirty typical Tuesday, but a special guest here in

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Speaker 4: the fifty five Case Morning Show. Kind of hoping it's

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Speaker 4: not gonna be the only time he appears here. Greg

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Speaker 4: hand you may know him because he's the proprietor of

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Speaker 4: the Cincinnati Curiosities blog. Find it where you find your blogs.

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Speaker 4: Joe's put a link up on my blog page fifty

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Speaker 4: five cars dot com to get his website. He writes

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Speaker 4: about a thousand words every week, which he posts on Tuesday,

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Speaker 4: all about a whole bunch of different topics, like, for example,

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Speaker 4: most recently, an escaped Oriole brought Cincinnati to distraught women

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Speaker 4: and national attention. That's his most recent post. Retired from

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Speaker 4: the University of Cincinnati. Is the head of public Relations

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Speaker 4: Office for employed with the university, he was the editor

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Speaker 4: of the Western Hills Press May at Rest in Peace.

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Speaker 4: In addition to the blog, he contributes regularly to Cincinnai Magazine,

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Speaker 4: presenting entertaining history, chats and bars and saloons. You heard

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Speaker 4: that correctly, through a program program called stand Up History.

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Speaker 4: Also the author of US Cincinnati Curiosities, which I've got

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Speaker 4: a copy of in my hand, Healing Powers of the

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Speaker 4: Whamsley Madstone, Nocturnal Exploits of Old Man Dead, Mazappa's Naked Ride,

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Speaker 4: and more right, that's why it's called Cincinnati Curiosities. We'll

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Speaker 4: get a word or two about that. And then Tarbell

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Speaker 4: Palooza another book that he kindly gave me a copy of.

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Speaker 4: So great stuff. It's all Cincinnati bass and with a

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Speaker 4: comedic twist. Greg hann good to heavy in studio, always

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Speaker 4: a pleasure. So even how long, even if this is

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Speaker 4: stand up comedy that relates to Cincinnati history.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you know, the thing is, people in Cincinnati love

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Speaker 10: the history of this town. Oh yeah, and for good reason.

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Speaker 10: This town, I keep telling people, is the city that

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Speaker 10: just keeps on giving every time I find something weird,

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Speaker 10: I find something weirder. And people are aware of this,

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Speaker 10: but they are put off by traditional methods of learning.

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Speaker 10: They don't want to get books. They they don't want

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Speaker 10: to sit down and take classes or be serious. But

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Speaker 10: they'll go to bars and after a couple of drinks,

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Speaker 10: you get somebody to stand up and talk about, for instance,

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Speaker 10: seventeen weird real estate stories in Cincinnati, and they get

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Speaker 10: very appreciative after that second drink.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we all know that social liver could help

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Speaker 4: them multiple social situations. Especially at a comedy club. You

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01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 4: got to get that inner voice of reluctance and kind

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Speaker 4: of shut up and so you can participate. Do you

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Speaker 4: interact with the audience? I mean, oh yeah, yeah. Do

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Speaker 4: you engage in the desocratic method?

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Speaker 10: It's very informal. This really started with in the bars

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Speaker 10: because of my partner in founding this group, Molly Wellman,

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Speaker 10: who has owned a variety of watering holes in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 10: She's well known for that, and she just presents so

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Speaker 10: so wonderfully and everybody just kind of joins in and

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Speaker 10: so we get a lot of cat calling and h

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Speaker 10: and uh, you know, and it never gets out of hand.

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Speaker 10: But it's fun.

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Speaker 4: Well, I don't want to necessarily presume what I'm what

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Speaker 4: I'm thinking, but considering the venues are typically bars, although

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Speaker 4: I know you perform at the Art Museum and the

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Speaker 4: u SEE Lifelong Learning Institute, and you're doing an event

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Speaker 4: at Union Terminal as well, you're focusing on bars. I'm

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Speaker 4: suggesting though, that maybe there's a little bit of blue

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Speaker 4: humor in this.

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, the way the way that we

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Speaker 10: put it. When people call us and want to book

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Speaker 10: us for something, they always go, now, how adult is this? Yes,

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Speaker 10: and our response is usually it's irreverent, not obscene.

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Speaker 4: I can definitely relate to that, and I'm someone who

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Speaker 4: definitely appreciates a certain level of irreverence without question. So,

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Speaker 4: in terms of upcoming events, what are you going on

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Speaker 4: that we can want my listeners to know about, because

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Speaker 4: it sounds like something that we're all going to want

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Speaker 4: to show up at at some point.

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Speaker 10: Wednesday, January twenty first, we have a monthly residency on

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Speaker 10: the third Wednesdays of each month at Muse Cafe in Westwood.

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Speaker 10: That's always a fun occasion. And then the next night, Thursday,

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Speaker 10: January twenty second, we will be at the museum Center,

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Speaker 10: and that one is in a rather large auditorium, so

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Speaker 10: we could have as many as two hundred and fifty

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Speaker 10: people in attendance at that one. That one's got myself,

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Speaker 10: Molly will be there in Dean Regis, who is technically

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Speaker 10: an astronomer, but we let him in because astronomy involves

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Speaker 10: the space time continuum and that's close enough to history.

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Speaker 4: Will he be speaking on matters involving the flux capacitor

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Speaker 4: in generating one point twenty one gigilettes?

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Speaker 10: He Dean has done some amazing things, takedowns of astrology

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Speaker 10: and an explanation of why Galileo's middle finger is preserved

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Speaker 10: in a museum in Italy, and that sort of thing.

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Speaker 10: I quite often get into the history of prostitution in Cincinnati, although.

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Speaker 1: They mostly over across the river.

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Speaker 10: No, this is the big misunderstanding that people have their

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Speaker 10: memories are entirely too short. Between around eighteen seventy five

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Speaker 10: and the First World War, Cincinnati had a large red

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Speaker 10: light district in the west end pretty much from Fifth

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Speaker 10: Street up to Seventh Street, from Central Avenue out to

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Speaker 10: Mound Street. There were as many as seventy houses of

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Speaker 10: prostitution in this red light district with perhaps six hundred

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Speaker 10: to seven hundred what we'd call working girls.

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Speaker 1: And this is the demand was that high.

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Speaker 10: This was This was the way people thought at the

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Speaker 10: time is if you did not have this, it wasn't legal.

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Speaker 10: But if you did not have this accessible out let

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Speaker 10: for hormonally overcharged men, they were going to be running

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Speaker 10: around the city raping respectable women. And so so that

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Speaker 10: was the solution was, well, we're going we're going to

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Speaker 10: endure this stuff, but we're going to shove it off

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Speaker 10: into the corner here.

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Speaker 4: So we'll sacrifice Victorian principles in the name of practical reality.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: But the thing about Kentucky is, and I addressed this

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Speaker 10: in a blog post last week, is in the nineteen

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Speaker 10: twenties we got a totally different city here. Before nineteen twenty,

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Speaker 10: this was one of the weirdest places on the planet,

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Speaker 10: and after nineteen twenty it totally changed.

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Speaker 4: Well, is that is a consequence of the Boss Cox

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Speaker 4: administration exactly.

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Speaker 10: There were four factors that really led to this. One

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Speaker 10: was a brand new city government when the Charter Rights

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Speaker 10: came in, restructured city government brought in the city manager

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Speaker 10: form of government. The other was prohibition absolutely a major

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Speaker 10: factor in changing the city because it basically wiped out

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Speaker 10: one of the city's largest industries overnight.

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Speaker 4: Which apparently was alcohol, but also prostitution, because it might

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Speaker 4: I parley into is that how the mob and prostitution

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Speaker 4: and gambling and liquor all ended up in northern Kentucky

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Speaker 4: because the mobs came in and think it open.

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Speaker 10: For Cincinnati by nineteen thirty five was known as the

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Speaker 10: best run city in America, and they got that way

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Speaker 10: by shoving all the vice that used to be a

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Speaker 10: money maker for Boss Cox across the river. And so

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Speaker 10: you really don't see northern Kentucky getting this reputation until

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Speaker 10: after city government changed in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: So it's not in my backyard, but as long as

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Speaker 4: it's close enough that I can get there easily and conveniently,

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Speaker 4: it's a okay for northern Kentucky. There you go to

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Speaker 4: get the crime element in. Wow, we're gonna learn about

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Speaker 4: some of different some additional parallels nineteen twenty six versus well,

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty six, and sadly, some of the things haven't

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Speaker 4: really changed since County. You're nineteen twenty six and twenty

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Speaker 4: twenty six, we're going to continue with comedian and historian

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Speaker 4: Greg Hand station. It's seven eighteen if if you have

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Speaker 4: Kercit talk stations. See I'm laughing because I'm sitting in

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Speaker 4: studio with a comedian and historian of unusual Cincinnati related matters.

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Speaker 4: Greg Hand got a great background doing this stand up

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Speaker 4: comedy related to Cincinnati history, and he's got some assistance

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Speaker 4: with some of these, like Molly Wellman, for example. He

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Speaker 4: mentioned Dean Rigez, and I understand Michael Parina is also

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Speaker 4: going to be helping you out at this stand up

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Speaker 4: history at Union Terminal event Thursday, the twenty second. Tickets

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Speaker 4: are available at starts at six pm. Get your tickets.

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Speaker 4: Just put a lick up the blog page fifty five

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Speaker 4: krzy dot com. I was laughing because you're always working

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Speaker 4: on news stories. You mentioned doing Cincinnati curiosities. He put

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Speaker 4: a thousand words out every Thursday or Tuesday on things

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Speaker 4: of this nature. We're going to be reading about rats

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Speaker 4: as well as garbage collection.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: People remember Cincinnati as poor Kopolis. We love our pigs.

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Speaker 10: We get the flying pigs all over the place. What

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Speaker 10: people don't remember about Cincinnati is the city of Cincinnati

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Speaker 10: did not institute garbage collection, well until after the Civil War.

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Speaker 4: That's because we had the canal. It's because we had

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Speaker 4: the pigs. I was gonna say, they throw it in

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Speaker 4: the canal.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, you would just you would just throw stuff out

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Speaker 10: and the pigs. Pigs took care of it. And this

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Speaker 10: this is remember from eighteen thirty until nineteen ten, Cincinnati

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Speaker 10: was one of the ten largest cities in the United States.

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Speaker 10: So after the Civil War we were the sixth largest

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Speaker 10: city in the United States and had no organized garbage collection.

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Speaker 4: Holy kh we did have the second police department in

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Speaker 4: the entire uited of States, so we had to wait

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Speaker 4: around for garbage collection.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned the whole Boss Cox period, and I think

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Speaker 4: a lot of my listeners are familiar with the level

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Speaker 4: of corruption that existed under those old Boss regimes. The

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Speaker 4: Charter Right Party kicked in in nineteen twenty six and

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Speaker 4: this led to a period of reform where again led

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Speaker 4: to the eradication of prostitution and crime, and they sent

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Speaker 4: it over to Northern Kentucky, who apparently the mob was

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Speaker 4: happy to embrace the change. So cities cleaned up under

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Speaker 4: the Charter Rights and we enjoyed this very successful respected

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Speaker 4: historically period of time, we said we were one of

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Speaker 4: the best governing cities, and everyone said it, what how

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Speaker 4: long did that period of time last, because it seems

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Speaker 4: somewhere we went off the rails there.

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Speaker 10: The Charter Committee and the Charter form of government basically

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Speaker 10: came in in the early nineteen twenties, and by the

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Speaker 10: mid thirties it was multiple multiple national publications pointed to

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Speaker 10: Cincinnati and said this is it. This is the best

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Speaker 10: governmed city in America. There were some key factors that

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Speaker 10: went into that form of government. One was a form

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Speaker 10: of voting called proportional representation.

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Speaker 1: Did you hear that? Yes, those words have come up

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01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:38,520
Speaker 1: recently in history.

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Speaker 10: Which is a little complicated to describe, but basically it

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01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:48,439
Speaker 10: ensured minority voices and so it ensured that council would

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01:17:48,640 --> 01:17:54,720
Speaker 10: be filled with people represented different points of view. In

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Speaker 10: the nineteen fifties, an alliance of the Democratic Party locally

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Speaker 10: and the Unions locally worked to remove proportional representation and

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Speaker 10: set the scene for one party government again.

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Speaker 4: Which means each council members expected to represent every single

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Speaker 4: of the fifty two neighborhoods in the city, whereas before

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Speaker 4: I guess there was some sort of jerry mandard or

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01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:18,639
Speaker 4: slight stuff.

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Speaker 10: No, in proportional representation, it was intentionally city wide, in

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01:18:24,400 --> 01:18:32,120
Speaker 10: each in each in each councilmanic seat. Prior to proportional representation,

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01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:39,040
Speaker 10: city council had more than forty people. We had at

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01:18:39,080 --> 01:18:43,559
Speaker 10: that time twenty some odd wards in the city, and

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Speaker 10: council was made up of two representatives from each ward.

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Speaker 10: In that arrangement, under Boss Cox, who controlled the Republican

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Speaker 10: and the Democratic party in the city, the Republicans had

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01:18:59,360 --> 01:19:03,599
Speaker 10: something like thirty five out of the forty seats. After

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Speaker 10: proportional representation came in, Charter rarely had more than five seats.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 10: Really, Republicans were consistently represented on council, as were Democrats.

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Speaker 4: Well, the parallels that you draw between nineteen twenty six

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Speaker 4: and twenty twenty six. I was laughing about the condition

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Speaker 4: of the roads back ineteen twenty twenty six. Apparently nothing

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Speaker 4: has changed there. Also, you mentioned the rapid transit loop,

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Speaker 4: which we know is the street car today. Is that

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Speaker 4: the project that was being built, the subway system that

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Speaker 4: never did get built. What's the backstory on that one.

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Speaker 10: So the Charter Committee came in with this new form

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Speaker 10: of government totally on the message of we are going

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Speaker 10: to disassemble what's left of the Cox machine. And one

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Speaker 10: of the elements of the Cox machine that was still

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Speaker 10: in place was the rapid transit loop that we referred

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Speaker 10: to as the Cincinnati Subway. And so suddenly out of

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Speaker 10: City Hall came these reports that said, oh, this was

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01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 10: poorly designed, it couldn't possibly be used, it's cost overrun

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Speaker 10: going through the roof. All of this was totally made up.

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Speaker 10: It was fake news.

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Speaker 2: It was an.

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Speaker 10: Attempt by the Charter government to accuse the Cox government

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Speaker 10: of creating this boondoggle that could never be completed, and

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Speaker 10: so they shut it down. And if they had allowed

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Speaker 10: it to go forward, in fact, it was designed very

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01:20:42,920 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 10: well and it was under budget, or not under budget,

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01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 10: but on budget.

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Speaker 4: Wow, the parallels have you drawn. I'm thinking, like, well,

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Speaker 4: evil Orange Man did that, So we're not going to

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01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:57,000
Speaker 4: do it, even though on paper and curly it looks

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01:20:57,040 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 4: like it really will work. Think of some propaganda says

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Speaker 4: it's connected with Boss Cox, who we all collectively agree

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01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:06,400
Speaker 4: is evil Erico. Anything he's responsible for is in and

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Speaker 4: of itself evil, So just let's forget it.

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Speaker 10: It's one of the lessons of history is that the

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Speaker 10: flavor of politics changes, but it's always with us.

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Speaker 4: Greg hann great conversation, man, what are you doing the

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Speaker 4: nineteen twenty six twenty versus twenty twenty six presentation?

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Speaker 1: Is it is that upcoming?

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Speaker 10: Oh I it takes a while. A thousand words translates

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01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 10: into about a seven minute presentation. And most of our

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Speaker 10: most of our sets at our shows are in the

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Speaker 10: twenty to twenty five minutes. Oh so it's snippet and

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Speaker 10: so and so i've i've When I get a topic

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01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 10: like that, I have to get a little more to

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Speaker 10: fill in my slot.

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Speaker 4: Sure, and well, you will find him and them around town.

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Speaker 4: Since they Curiosity's blogged, you gotta follow it. Jo just

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Speaker 4: Strucker's put a link up if you five carecy dot com.

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01:21:56,800 --> 01:22:00,960
Speaker 4: Whereas I would say Peter Bronson covers more perhaps well

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01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:04,559
Speaker 4: known or more less comedic, elements of what happens there

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01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:08,400
Speaker 4: throughout his Cincinnati history. You're finding the really crazy stuff

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01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:10,320
Speaker 4: and I'll encourage my listeners. Joe put a link up

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Speaker 4: to Cincinnati Curiosity's your book again, Healing Powers of the

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Speaker 4: Whamsley Madstone, Nocturnal Exploits of Old Man Dead, Mazeppa's naked

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Speaker 4: Ride and more. Sounds bizarre, and I'm sure we're gonna

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Speaker 4: find the bizarre, but it's historically true. Greg Han, real

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Speaker 4: pleasure having you in here, man, and maybe we can

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Speaker 4: do this again.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I'd love to keep up the fun.

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01:22:32,040 --> 01:22:34,640
Speaker 4: We all need fun these days, and I appreciate your

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01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:36,960
Speaker 4: using history as a vehicle to get us all smiling.

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Speaker 4: Seven twenty six. Right now, if you have KRC the

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Speaker 4: talk station, real quick words, my friends, the fast and

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Speaker 4: pro best roofer zarraun carc the talk station.

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Speaker 1: It is Tuesday, in a happy one too. After the

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Speaker 1: top of the.

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Speaker 4: Air news, we're gonna hear the inside scoop John Carney

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01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:50,280
Speaker 4: from Bright Bart News. We've had him on a bunch

1493
01:22:50,280 --> 01:22:52,720
Speaker 4: of time, be talking about the price of gas and

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01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 4: oil which is dropped dramatically and.

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Speaker 1: The booming economy. Is it booming?

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01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,160
Speaker 4: We'll see what John has to say about that. An

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Speaker 4: hour from now, Daniel Davis a deep dive with the

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Speaker 4: latest from Iran, Venezuela and Russia bombing another Ukrainian city

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Speaker 4: the other day. Without further ado, Welcome back to the

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Speaker 4: fifty five Casey Morning Show. You can find him online

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Speaker 4: at the web page We the People Convention dot Org.

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Speaker 4: Tom Zawastowski, good to have you back on the show.

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Speaker 7: Good morning, Bryan. Happy Tuesday, Cincinnati.

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01:23:19,400 --> 01:23:22,960
Speaker 4: And what is going on in so far as state issues.

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Speaker 4: I've been talking to some state politicians the other day.

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Speaker 4: I had Zach Reins on who Americans Prosperities endors. Sounds

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01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 4: like a good guy. Viv Ramaswami. Is there anything going

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01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:37,679
Speaker 4: on in as far as property tax relief? That seems

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01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 4: one thing that's looming large in the state of Ohio

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Speaker 4: because it may be that the elected officials are going

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Speaker 4: to have to deal with a train wreck, which would

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Speaker 4: be us voting on whether we want to eliminate property

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Speaker 4: taxes in the state via a constitutional amendment through a

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Speaker 4: ballot initiative. I don't think they want that to have

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01:23:53,479 --> 01:23:55,040
Speaker 4: to happen. I think they should get ahead of it

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Speaker 4: ahead of time, because that's going to be a catastrophe

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01:23:57,720 --> 01:23:59,960
Speaker 4: if they have to unfold the wreckage of taking away

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Speaker 4: property taxes with the flick of a switch.

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Speaker 1: Anything going on in that level, Tom, Yeah.

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Speaker 7: There's a lot going on, you know. I think that

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Speaker 7: the the grassroots effort, you know, to put that amendment

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Speaker 7: on the ballot you know, they have to collect four

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Speaker 7: hundred and fifteen thousand signatures and that's a really hard job.

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Speaker 7: But it has had the fact of, you know, as

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Speaker 7: they say, forcing the legislature to focus maybe on the issue.

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Speaker 7: And so there there is still more, you know, legislation

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Speaker 7: that's been talked about in the House and the Senate.

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01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 7: But you know, I think there's no doubt that something

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01:24:36,680 --> 01:24:37,599
Speaker 7: has to be done.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 7: You can't just punt. You can't say, well, you can't

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Speaker 7: repeal all of it, so don't do anything. We have

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Speaker 7: to do something. And I'm in conversation with you know,

1534
01:24:48,479 --> 01:24:51,880
Speaker 7: the vay Pramaswami on this issue. I'm talking to other

1535
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 7: people in the Republican Party and saying, guys, we've got

1536
01:24:55,800 --> 01:24:57,920
Speaker 7: to get serious, and we've got to get serious fast.

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01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:01,800
Speaker 7: So I expect you're going to see some proposals coming

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01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:04,960
Speaker 7: up from a lot of directions to address this issue.

1539
01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:07,880
Speaker 7: And unless, you know, as you said, you know, this

1540
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Speaker 7: idea of almost blowing everything up, you repealing everything all

1541
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:13,680
Speaker 7: at once, I don't think we can do that. So

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01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:16,519
Speaker 7: you're going to see some sort of compromise, a more

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01:25:17,479 --> 01:25:20,679
Speaker 7: rational I guess you would say, a way of reducing

1544
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Speaker 7: property taxes. But also remember it's not just about the

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01:25:25,400 --> 01:25:29,000
Speaker 7: property taxes. What caused the property tax to get out

1546
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:35,000
Speaker 7: of control, it's local government and state government just growing uncontrollably.

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Speaker 7: I mean, the other part of the property tax issue

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01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 7: is that by reducing the amount of money coming into

1549
01:25:42,920 --> 01:25:46,960
Speaker 7: these state agencies, you can force them to reform. And

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Speaker 7: what I mean by reform, well, I mean that you

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01:25:50,080 --> 01:25:53,160
Speaker 7: get them to start looking at the money they're spending

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01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,759
Speaker 7: and spend it wiser and give us more.

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Speaker 3: For their dollar.

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Speaker 7: I heard your interview with Charlie about what's going on

1555
01:26:01,000 --> 01:26:05,879
Speaker 7: in Cincinnati, and that's the perfect example. We've got government

1556
01:26:06,080 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 7: you can't function.

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01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:09,120
Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 4: You set a mouthful there and I just say, I'm

1559
01:26:11,160 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 4: just sort of going, yeah, there in lies the problem.

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Speaker 4: I think we're all well aware of that and the

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01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 4: other component of this, And you know, I talked about

1562
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:17,800
Speaker 4: this with.

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01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:20,599
Speaker 1: Just the other day.

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Speaker 4: On the whole, the school funding has been ruled unconstitutional

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01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 4: for the past couple of decades. That is an issue

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01:26:27,479 --> 01:26:31,160
Speaker 4: that's inextricably interp intertwined with property taxes. They haven't done

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01:26:31,200 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 4: anything by way of changing that, So sending the money

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01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 4: out to the students seems to be a way of

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01:26:36,040 --> 01:26:39,880
Speaker 4: perhaps bringing about this level of efficiency and competition that

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Speaker 4: the public schools really desperately need, because there's a lot

1571
01:26:44,240 --> 01:26:47,920
Speaker 4: of competition with the public schools already, with charter schools

1572
01:26:47,960 --> 01:26:51,400
Speaker 4: popping up and you know Christian Chrishnill's Academy for example,

1573
01:26:51,439 --> 01:26:54,840
Speaker 4: or the Sin Sant Classical Academy, great education opportunities for

1574
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,040
Speaker 4: students who feel and parents who feel underserved by public schools.

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Speaker 7: Well, you know, I think this is the real issue

1576
01:27:02,360 --> 01:27:05,600
Speaker 7: in America today. I mean, we're supposed to be a

1577
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:10,120
Speaker 7: capitalist society. We've gotten all the growth in our country.

1578
01:27:10,200 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 7: Why are we different than the rest of the world.

1579
01:27:12,560 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 7: Was because we apply free market principles of competition and

1580
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:19,519
Speaker 7: things like that. And yet if you look at our

1581
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 7: society from a government standpoint, it's all communists. When it's

1582
01:27:23,520 --> 01:27:27,520
Speaker 7: the healthcare system, the education system, you know, our institutions,

1583
01:27:27,880 --> 01:27:33,479
Speaker 7: it's not about competition, it's about eliminating competition, and you

1584
01:27:33,640 --> 01:27:36,600
Speaker 7: get you know what we've got, You've got pork performance

1585
01:27:36,680 --> 01:27:40,120
Speaker 7: and no accountability. So all of this has to do

1586
01:27:40,479 --> 01:27:45,240
Speaker 7: with reforming government, and particularly in the coming age of AI,

1587
01:27:46,000 --> 01:27:48,519
Speaker 7: where a lot of the stuff that is now you

1588
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:50,519
Speaker 7: know an excuse, Well that you know, they didn't have

1589
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 7: the day that they didn't know how to do this,

1590
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:55,760
Speaker 7: They couldn't figure it out. That's all ending real soon,

1591
01:27:55,960 --> 01:27:58,920
Speaker 7: like starting this year, and we've got to start to

1592
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:04,200
Speaker 7: implement that in all our government agencies, from healthcare to

1593
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:08,120
Speaker 7: schools and things of that nature, and just your local government,

1594
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:11,960
Speaker 7: like using the railroad. You need a flicking city.

1595
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:16,880
Speaker 4: Boiling it down to its simple as terms. Tom's Awastoski

1596
01:28:16,920 --> 01:28:19,679
Speaker 4: will continue, get a word or two on your perception

1597
01:28:19,800 --> 01:28:22,839
Speaker 4: of V. Dag Ramaswamy selection for Lieutenant Governor Rob McCauley,

1598
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:27,720
Speaker 4: and also the Ohio Minnesota Somali daycare fraud link. Tom's Awastowski.

1599
01:28:27,760 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 4: And then we're gonna hear from Steve Gooden late edition

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01:28:29,880 --> 01:28:32,160
Speaker 4: of the program to talk about Christopher's suggestion that a

1601
01:28:32,280 --> 01:28:35,599
Speaker 4: lawsuit should be filed because city council did not explain

1602
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:38,040
Speaker 4: to us the reason they went into executive session the

1603
01:28:38,120 --> 01:28:38,479
Speaker 4: other day.

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01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:39,639
Speaker 1: Is that a possible suit.

1605
01:28:39,720 --> 01:28:42,200
Speaker 4: We'll find out from Steve after we talk with Tom

1606
01:28:42,240 --> 01:28:44,240
Speaker 4: and the next segment stick around at seven thirty six.

1607
01:28:44,360 --> 01:28:46,439
Speaker 4: Right now, let me make about care CD talk station

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Speaker 4: find on my line. We either People Convention dot Org.

1609
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:51,400
Speaker 4: Tom's Awastowski returns of the morning show talk about matters

1610
01:28:51,439 --> 01:28:54,000
Speaker 4: involving state real quick here. I had Ramaswami on the

1611
01:28:54,040 --> 01:28:55,560
Speaker 4: other day and I asked him about his selection of

1612
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,960
Speaker 4: Rob McCauley's lieutenant governor for his running mate. He said,

1613
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,960
Speaker 4: they're consistent eyed I and all the positions Dvek has

1614
01:29:01,960 --> 01:29:06,439
Speaker 4: been running on. But also that because Rob has been

1615
01:29:06,479 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 4: around for a while in politics, he understands what we

1616
01:29:08,880 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 4: basically boiled down to, the sausage making process of getting

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01:29:12,920 --> 01:29:16,559
Speaker 4: legislation passed and through. What's your reaction to Rob as

1618
01:29:16,680 --> 01:29:19,840
Speaker 4: the lieutenant governor as a running mate? Any pop plus

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01:29:20,080 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 4: minuses what's going on?

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01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 1: Tom?

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01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:25,080
Speaker 7: Well, you know I always look at this, you know,

1622
01:29:25,400 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 7: from the grassroots standpoint, and we've been, you know, going

1623
01:29:28,640 --> 01:29:31,640
Speaker 7: through this process for sixteen years and and you know

1624
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 7: our concern, and I think a lot of your listeners

1625
01:29:34,080 --> 01:29:37,679
Speaker 7: concerned is is the veke Fromaswami going to be captured

1626
01:29:37,720 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 7: by the Columbus cartel?

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01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:39,720
Speaker 3: Right?

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01:29:39,920 --> 01:29:43,320
Speaker 7: What are the signs of that? And when he picked

1629
01:29:43,479 --> 01:29:47,479
Speaker 7: Rob from a field of five people, all of whom

1630
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:51,840
Speaker 7: had state office positions and things like that, my problem

1631
01:29:51,960 --> 01:29:56,160
Speaker 7: was I didn't know Rob. I never die, which is

1632
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:58,360
Speaker 7: pretty amazing. Blank, because you know, you and I talked

1633
01:29:58,920 --> 01:30:02,000
Speaker 7: pretty much everybody in this state all the time, and

1634
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:05,400
Speaker 7: so I was concerned. You know, he's a Senate president,

1635
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,840
Speaker 7: and you're thinking, Okay, is this guy you know part

1636
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:12,120
Speaker 7: of the cartel? Is he associates affiliated with the wine

1637
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:16,600
Speaker 7: and with Kasik and all those guys, and and but

1638
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:19,479
Speaker 7: I think the day was very honest about the fact

1639
01:30:19,720 --> 01:30:25,680
Speaker 7: he's an outsider, and he's got a very inspirational agenda,

1640
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:30,360
Speaker 7: an aspirational agenda for Ohio, and he's going to need

1641
01:30:30,439 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 7: to get through the legislature. So it makes total sense

1642
01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:36,479
Speaker 7: that he would try to pick someone right Rob to

1643
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:40,599
Speaker 7: do that. Not to their credit, I had never met Rob,

1644
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:42,920
Speaker 7: but the they must have told him to call me,

1645
01:30:42,960 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 7: because the day after he was announced, Rob called me

1646
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:49,719
Speaker 7: and we had a two hour conversation. And you can imagine,

1647
01:30:49,760 --> 01:30:52,880
Speaker 7: you know, my conversations are never just you know, simple.

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01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:55,160
Speaker 7: I mean, we went at it. We went at a

1649
01:30:55,240 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 7: big time. I wanted to know, who is this guy?

1650
01:30:57,960 --> 01:31:01,240
Speaker 7: Is he on board with the kind of reforms that

1651
01:31:01,439 --> 01:31:04,400
Speaker 7: that they is going to push? And I'm convinced he is.

1652
01:31:05,320 --> 01:31:09,760
Speaker 7: I'm convinced that he's open to the kind of things

1653
01:31:09,800 --> 01:31:13,439
Speaker 7: that we're talking about with property tax reform and reform

1654
01:31:13,560 --> 01:31:16,720
Speaker 7: of government. I think he gets the fact. Remember he

1655
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:19,400
Speaker 7: did come out of the business. Yes, he hasn't just

1656
01:31:19,439 --> 01:31:21,680
Speaker 7: been a government his whole life. So I think that's

1657
01:31:21,720 --> 01:31:25,720
Speaker 7: a good sign. I can assure our Glassrooms people that

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01:31:26,479 --> 01:31:28,679
Speaker 7: this is a good choice because they have a really

1659
01:31:28,720 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 7: strong relationship. And as you know, that's that's probably the

1660
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:35,080
Speaker 7: most important thing. You can't have anybody like Mike Pence

1661
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:38,160
Speaker 7: stabbing in the back when you're Trump. You need somebody

1662
01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:38,799
Speaker 7: you can trust.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that the truth?

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01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:40,400
Speaker 3: Well?

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01:31:40,520 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 4: Real quick here, I knew stayed ordered a key. Faber

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01:31:43,120 --> 01:31:45,880
Speaker 4: announced last week that they have a new opportunity for

1667
01:31:46,040 --> 01:31:49,639
Speaker 4: us to rat out fraud, waste and abuse in government.

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01:31:50,880 --> 01:31:52,559
Speaker 4: Your reaction to whether or not that is a strong

1669
01:31:52,680 --> 01:31:56,360
Speaker 4: enough response to what has been revealed in Minnesota in

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01:31:56,439 --> 01:31:58,880
Speaker 4: Minneapolis as well as maybe even here in Ohio with

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01:31:59,000 --> 01:32:00,639
Speaker 4: regard to the abuse of public funds.

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Speaker 7: So you know, I know all of us are curious,

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01:32:04,479 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 7: and there's a lot of noise going on, particularly if

1674
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:12,760
Speaker 7: you're online. You know, Mehika Cook is out there investigating.

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01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:16,839
Speaker 7: There's some pretty good you know, citizen journalists who are

1676
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:21,960
Speaker 7: digging and finding some things okay, but like take for instance,

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01:32:22,040 --> 01:32:23,680
Speaker 7: that you know, one of the first things that came

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01:32:23,760 --> 01:32:28,760
Speaker 7: out about Ohio was those forty daycares that all you

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01:32:28,840 --> 01:32:32,160
Speaker 7: know were made legal in the one day they all

1680
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:35,720
Speaker 7: in June or twenty twenty four to go on. Well,

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01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:39,560
Speaker 7: I heard Keith talk about that, and they did investigate it,

1682
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:41,920
Speaker 7: and what they found out was that was not true.

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01:32:42,040 --> 01:32:44,479
Speaker 7: They didn't all style on that day and get done.

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01:32:44,720 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 7: That was some sort of a problem with the computer

1685
01:32:48,280 --> 01:32:50,720
Speaker 7: system that just put them all in that date, and

1686
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 7: that those are all they're legitimate. He did look at that.

1687
01:32:54,240 --> 01:32:56,920
Speaker 7: So I want our numbers and people out there from

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01:32:57,200 --> 01:33:00,679
Speaker 7: you know, in Olive, Ohio, to know that Keith Faber

1689
01:33:00,960 --> 01:33:04,800
Speaker 7: and Bob Spragg and those guys they are looking into this.

1690
01:33:05,320 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 7: And while there is a lot of smoke, I so

1691
01:33:08,280 --> 01:33:11,800
Speaker 7: far have not seen fire, meaning you know, billions of

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01:33:12,000 --> 01:33:14,519
Speaker 7: dollars like in Minnesota that have been stolen. There are

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01:33:14,680 --> 01:33:17,320
Speaker 7: millions of dollars, and I think Keith may have talked

1694
01:33:17,320 --> 01:33:20,840
Speaker 7: about a few of those things, but so far I

1695
01:33:20,960 --> 01:33:25,080
Speaker 7: haven't seen this kind of you know, the systemic corruption

1696
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:29,240
Speaker 7: like you saw in Minnesota. So that's my viewpoint at

1697
01:33:29,240 --> 01:33:29,719
Speaker 7: this stage.

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Speaker 4: Tom's Alastowski we the People Convention dot or hopefully it

1699
01:33:32,280 --> 01:33:34,759
Speaker 4: stays that way, and hopefully we have been slightly ahead

1700
01:33:34,760 --> 01:33:36,840
Speaker 4: of the curve and that would give my listeners and

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01:33:36,920 --> 01:33:39,360
Speaker 4: of course the residents of the state of Ohio a

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01:33:39,400 --> 01:33:41,880
Speaker 4: lot of comfort. Tom, keep up the great work. I'm

1703
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:46,479
Speaker 4: pleased that you were referred to Rob McAuley by VV

1704
01:33:46,600 --> 01:33:49,120
Speaker 4: Gramaswamy suggesting to my listeners, Tom, you're a man that

1705
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 4: needs to be consulted with because he's got a lot

1706
01:33:52,400 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 4: of influence. We either People Convention dot Org. Tom, you

1707
01:33:55,080 --> 01:33:56,760
Speaker 4: and I will talk again real soon. I wish you

1708
01:33:56,880 --> 01:33:59,439
Speaker 4: the best of health and happiness for the next week

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01:33:59,520 --> 01:34:01,400
Speaker 4: until we hear from each other. I hear from you again,

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01:34:02,439 --> 01:34:06,040
Speaker 4: I'll record to the next time. Thanks very much. As always,

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Speaker 4: Steve Gooden, our legal expert. Did they violate rules that

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Speaker 4: are worthy.

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Speaker 1: Of a talk station?

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Speaker 4: Tuesday inside Scoop with bry Barton and his plus the

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Speaker 4: Rhodes on how property taxes work and Ken school Zoo's

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Speaker 4: and first responders survive without them Without further ado, though,

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Speaker 4: God bless you Welcome back to the FIRFTY five KRC

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Speaker 4: Morning show. In matters involving legal questions, not good to

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01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:34,919
Speaker 4: rely on me anymore. It's been a while since actively

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01:34:35,479 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 4: practice law. Steve Gooden, though with the outstanding law firm,

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Speaker 4: Reporter Wright joins the program to explain these matters formal counselmen.

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Speaker 4: He is Steve Gooden. They went into executive session yesterday

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Speaker 4: to talk about we think maybe the settlement of this lawsuit,

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Speaker 4: the Hinton family lawsuit, which hasn't been filed, but to

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01:34:53,160 --> 01:34:55,600
Speaker 4: talk about settlement. Cheryl Long, it was revealed, was in

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01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 4: settlement discussions with the Hinton family. Their son, eighteen year

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01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 4: old was killed by a police officer because while he

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01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:04,120
Speaker 4: was in a stolen car fleeing police and then he

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01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 4: turned around with a gun point in an officer and

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Speaker 4: ended up losing his life. They think that is a

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Speaker 4: settlement worthy now. Christopher Smithen was on the program this

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Speaker 4: morning saying, if you go into executive council, you must

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01:35:15,560 --> 01:35:19,160
Speaker 4: let the public know the subject matter, not the substance

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01:35:19,200 --> 01:35:20,560
Speaker 4: of what goes on in there, but at least the

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01:35:20,600 --> 01:35:24,200
Speaker 4: subject matter before going into executive council, and said someone

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01:35:24,240 --> 01:35:25,920
Speaker 4: should file a lawsuit because they.

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Speaker 1: Didn't do that.

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Speaker 4: Steve Gooden, legal expert, is that a justiciabal controversy?

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Speaker 8: You know what sure is? I did take a look

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01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:39,680
Speaker 8: at the agenda. Brian, First, good morning, and second Smitherman

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Speaker 8: is is typically the case is correct and under a

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01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:45,880
Speaker 8: Higle law, there are only two reasons you can go

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01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:49,880
Speaker 8: into executive session. One is to discuss potential litigation, which

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01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:53,360
Speaker 8: is apparently what happened here. And number two, you can

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01:35:53,439 --> 01:35:56,559
Speaker 8: go in to discuss a personnel matter, particularly a sensitive

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01:35:56,600 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 8: personnel matter regarding someone who may have to be fired

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01:35:59,439 --> 01:36:01,880
Speaker 8: or what have you. I mean, those are reasons you're

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01:36:01,920 --> 01:36:04,400
Speaker 8: allowed as a public official to go in and talk

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01:36:04,520 --> 01:36:09,040
Speaker 8: with your legal counsel and your city manager off the record,

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01:36:09,720 --> 01:36:12,679
Speaker 8: as it were. There's an attorney client privilege that attaches,

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01:36:12,800 --> 01:36:15,760
Speaker 8: so that in and of itself isn't illegal. That is

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01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:19,000
Speaker 8: just that's a place where state law prompts the local law.

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01:36:19,400 --> 01:36:23,080
Speaker 8: But that said, there's two big things about executive session legally.

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Speaker 8: Number one, you have to state which category it is

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01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:29,439
Speaker 8: that you're talking about. Yesterday's agenda did not do that.

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01:36:30,600 --> 01:36:33,439
Speaker 8: We know because of all the various leaks at city

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01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:36,240
Speaker 8: Hall that they were talking about a potential hitting settlement,

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Speaker 8: but they didn't acknowledge that publicly. That's number one. Number two,

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Speaker 8: you can't vote on the settlement or actually vote on

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Speaker 8: anything during executive session. The ultimate decisions have to be

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01:36:49,400 --> 01:36:54,040
Speaker 8: made out in a public forum. So for instance, this

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01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:57,160
Speaker 8: eight point one million dollar travesty of a settlement they

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01:36:57,240 --> 01:37:00,479
Speaker 8: gave to the George Floyd protesters earlier this month. I mean,

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01:37:00,600 --> 01:37:03,320
Speaker 8: they did have to actually go into regular session to

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01:37:03,439 --> 01:37:06,680
Speaker 8: vote on that. We presume they had had prior executive

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01:37:06,720 --> 01:37:07,519
Speaker 8: sessions about it.

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Speaker 2: We didn't know.

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Speaker 8: They're not doing a very good job of putting out

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01:37:11,400 --> 01:37:14,160
Speaker 8: there that the executive sessions, you know, what the subject

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01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:18,800
Speaker 8: matter of them are. But I mean that's really where

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01:37:18,880 --> 01:37:22,519
Speaker 8: this is. I mean, they really should be telling people

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01:37:22,600 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 8: at least the general subject matter of what's going on here.

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01:37:26,040 --> 01:37:29,600
Speaker 8: It's a horrible look, but I guess good thing for

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01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 8: the taxpayers. City hall leagues like a sieve and always has.

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01:37:33,479 --> 01:37:34,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it does.

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01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:36,040
Speaker 4: And thankfully we have outlets that let us know actually

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01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:38,240
Speaker 4: what's going on behind the scenes, because they apparently are

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01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:40,519
Speaker 4: talking and coming out of the closed door session the

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01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:44,280
Speaker 4: executive session. No single city council member of these spokespeople

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01:37:44,360 --> 01:37:46,439
Speaker 4: for the city manager or the city manager or the

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01:37:46,479 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 4: mayor set a peep. They just refused comment to the

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01:37:49,360 --> 01:37:51,600
Speaker 4: enquire and other local reporters on what they what they do.

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Speaker 4: They could have said, we were talking about a potential settlement.

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01:37:56,640 --> 01:37:58,360
Speaker 4: They're allowed to say what the subject matter is. They

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01:37:58,360 --> 01:38:02,840
Speaker 4: just couldn't talk about what specifically happened in the meeting, right, Yeah.

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Speaker 8: That's exactly right. I mean, look, I mean, like I said,

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Speaker 8: there's only to mine. I mean, look, and I've been

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01:38:08,120 --> 01:38:11,559
Speaker 8: advising the municipalities on and off for twenty five years. Uh,

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Speaker 8: there's really only two reasons why you have an executive session,

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01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:17,360
Speaker 8: and you're really supposed to put that at least in

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01:38:17,439 --> 01:38:20,479
Speaker 8: the record, if not on the agenda. You know, I

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01:38:20,520 --> 01:38:23,439
Speaker 8: actually pulled the paper agenda off the Cities upside. It

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01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:27,160
Speaker 8: just says executive you know session pursuant to Ohio Biased

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Speaker 8: Code Section blah blah blah. That's all it says. So,

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01:38:31,240 --> 01:38:35,960
Speaker 8: you know, particularly if they're considering doing something this sensitive,

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Speaker 8: this unpopular, I mean, just to be very clear, what

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01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 8: apparently is being contemplated here, you know, is you know,

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Speaker 8: a settlement with this Hinton family where the father is

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Speaker 8: currently facing trial for murdering a sheriff's deputy, a totally

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01:38:49,720 --> 01:38:54,320
Speaker 8: innocent sheriff's deputy, uh purportedly because he watched the video

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01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 8: of his son being shot by police Cincinnati police and

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01:38:58,640 --> 01:39:01,600
Speaker 8: goes off and does this like this horrific crime. So

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Speaker 8: I think one of the big issues is we don't

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01:39:03,479 --> 01:39:06,560
Speaker 8: really have a law in Ohio, as some states do,

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Speaker 8: that would ban the father from getting some of the proceeds. Now,

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01:39:11,080 --> 01:39:12,720
Speaker 8: in all likelihood, he's going to be in jail the

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Speaker 8: rest of his life. But I think it will be

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Speaker 8: major Hartburn even if this was a band shooting of

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Speaker 8: the of the young Hinton kid, which every indication I've

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Speaker 8: heard is that it is not. The prosecutor's office declined

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Speaker 8: to prosecute the police officer, the city has taken no action.

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Speaker 8: I have not watched the video, but I am told

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Speaker 8: that you can see that the young man had a

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01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:37,520
Speaker 8: gun and was fleeing from a stolen car, classic circumstances

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01:39:37,560 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 8: and which use of force would typically be justified by

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01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:42,559
Speaker 8: a police officer. Why they would be trying to settle

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01:39:42,640 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 8: that in the first instance is a big question mark.

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Speaker 8: And then a huge question mark is how and why

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01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:50,639
Speaker 8: would they be looking at giving money to a family

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Speaker 8: where the father has all but admitted to murdering a

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Speaker 8: police officer. So I mean it's politically sensitive situation times ten.

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Speaker 4: Well, since this idea that there was a settlement going

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01:40:04,200 --> 01:40:06,120
Speaker 4: on behind the scenes came out of the blue, question

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Speaker 4: I had the other day, and I've been told, yes,

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Speaker 4: the city solicitor does she have the authority to settle

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Speaker 4: the I mean, the city solicitor apparently has the authority

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01:40:12,760 --> 01:40:15,879
Speaker 4: to settle lawsuits. They don't need council's approval. City solicitor

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01:40:15,920 --> 01:40:18,120
Speaker 4: works for the city manager. Does that mean that if

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Speaker 4: the city manager and the solicitor decide they're going to

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Speaker 4: write a check for X amount of the hitting family,

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Speaker 4: that the council really has no control over that.

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Speaker 8: Well, it depends on the circumstances on that one, Brian.

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01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 8: I mean, I recall under the city's current administrative code,

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01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:38,920
Speaker 8: the city manager can settle smaller lawsuits, but I can't

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01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:42,920
Speaker 8: remember what the exact monetary cutoff is. The council must

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01:40:43,000 --> 01:40:46,760
Speaker 8: approve a lawsuit, certainly anything in the seven figures, which

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01:40:46,800 --> 01:40:52,519
Speaker 8: is typically what happens in a wrongful scenario. So there

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01:40:52,640 --> 01:40:56,240
Speaker 8: are some smaller suits that the city solicitor and the

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01:40:56,280 --> 01:41:00,760
Speaker 8: city manager can settle, but nothing like this. If you're

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01:41:00,760 --> 01:41:04,280
Speaker 8: going to actually move bigger amounts of money, council has

1843
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:06,519
Speaker 8: to approve it. Well, they're allowed to, I mean, they

1844
01:41:06,760 --> 01:41:11,479
Speaker 8: routinely settle small thunder bender cases with city vehicles and

1845
01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:13,960
Speaker 8: things of that nature. But the big things they have

1846
01:41:14,080 --> 01:41:15,240
Speaker 8: to get approval, all right, And.

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Speaker 4: I know, right of time, Joe, But I got to

1848
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:18,920
Speaker 4: ask this one question. The Bell's been wrong. They went

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01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:21,880
Speaker 4: into executive council saison without mentioning why they were doing it.

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01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:24,759
Speaker 4: If that is an actionable offense, what's the legal recourse?

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01:41:25,240 --> 01:41:28,240
Speaker 4: What's the remedy for that? Because the Bell's been wrong,

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01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:29,040
Speaker 4: they had the meeting.

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01:41:31,240 --> 01:41:34,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're right, I mean, I mean typically what someone

1854
01:41:34,160 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 8: would do would be a taxpayer with fileolytical, a taxpayer

1855
01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:40,360
Speaker 8: lawsuit saying that they feel that their rights have been violated,

1856
01:41:40,400 --> 01:41:43,280
Speaker 8: and you try to get into the common Police court

1857
01:41:43,360 --> 01:41:45,479
Speaker 8: locally and see if you could convince a judge to

1858
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:50,560
Speaker 8: award some sort of damages to that taxpayer as a

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01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:53,640
Speaker 8: deterrent to these guys. You know, My concern is that

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01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:56,759
Speaker 8: that really they don't seem to be all that interested

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01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:59,000
Speaker 8: in being deterred and they don't really seem to be

1862
01:41:59,080 --> 01:42:02,400
Speaker 8: paying any political price right now the way the city

1863
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:06,519
Speaker 8: voters are responding. So we you file a lawsuit, but

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01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:08,240
Speaker 8: what good would do I really don't know.

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Speaker 4: Maybe just to make a point a judgment suitable for framing.

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Speaker 4: That's why we have legal expert Steve Goodin from the

1867
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:16,559
Speaker 4: law firm Reporter Right to help us out with these matters. Steve,

1868
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:18,400
Speaker 4: thank you so much for going to join the program

1869
01:42:18,520 --> 01:42:20,439
Speaker 4: late in the game. And you're always welcome here, and

1870
01:42:20,520 --> 01:42:21,960
Speaker 4: you know we're going to be calling you anytime we

1871
01:42:22,040 --> 01:42:23,799
Speaker 4: need sound legal advice and explanation.

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Speaker 8: Hey, anytime, Barne, you guys take care.

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Speaker 4: Happy New Year, my friend, Happy New Year. Five to

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Speaker 4: seventy or seven fifty seventy five K City the talk station.

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Speaker 4: I'm going to hear the Inside Scoop with John Carney

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Speaker 4: telling us simpically. We get what we call the inside

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Speaker 4: Scoop with bright Bart News and as I always start

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Speaker 4: the program segment Brightbart dot com. It's worth a bookmark.

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Speaker 4: Read what they have to say each and every day.

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Speaker 4: Br E I T B a art dot com. Solid

1881
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Speaker 4: reporting quite often is reporting on things before anybody else

1882
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Speaker 4: reports on it, and sometimes the only source of information

1883
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Speaker 4: that is actually true. John Carney knows all about that.

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Speaker 4: He's written for bite Bart for a long time. We've

1885
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Speaker 4: had him on many times before. Welcome back to the program,

1886
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Speaker 4: John Carney. It's always a pleasure to have and you

1887
01:43:03,240 --> 01:43:05,400
Speaker 4: want to appreciate what you and the team at Breitbart

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Speaker 4: do each and every day.

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Speaker 11: Thanks so much for having me.

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Speaker 4: Am I staring at a at a good news on

1891
01:43:13,320 --> 01:43:17,559
Speaker 4: the topic lest I mean, what price of gas and oil?

1892
01:43:17,720 --> 01:43:19,760
Speaker 4: Donald Trump just tweeted the other day about forty three

1893
01:43:19,800 --> 01:43:22,560
Speaker 4: states having gas under three dollars per gallon. Before we

1894
01:43:22,600 --> 01:43:24,360
Speaker 4: started talking, I just went over to gas buddy my

1895
01:43:24,520 --> 01:43:28,240
Speaker 4: personal zip code gas about between two oh nine and

1896
01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:31,000
Speaker 4: two forty two in the city proper the zip code

1897
01:43:31,040 --> 01:43:33,720
Speaker 4: for the city of Cincinnati two seventy nine, and then

1898
01:43:33,760 --> 01:43:36,400
Speaker 4: I just randomly chose Middletown, which is, you know, between

1899
01:43:36,439 --> 01:43:38,920
Speaker 4: here and Dayton two dollars and thirty three cents.

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Speaker 8: Uh.

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Speaker 4: I haven't seen prices like that for many, many years.

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Speaker 4: That is an outstanding development and immediate relief in terms

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01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:47,320
Speaker 4: of the inflationary pressures we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: John, your take, Yeah.

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Speaker 11: That's absolutely right. I drove the other day just to

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01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:57,240
Speaker 11: a local gas station and I hadn't been the I

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01:43:57,600 --> 01:44:00,559
Speaker 11: hadn't been driving for a you know, must have been

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01:44:00,600 --> 01:44:02,479
Speaker 11: a week or two since I last filled up my car,

1909
01:44:03,160 --> 01:44:06,080
Speaker 11: and it was down to two forty nine. And I thought, Okay,

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Speaker 11: this is an amazing development because we have, as you said,

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01:44:12,920 --> 01:44:18,919
Speaker 11: it mechanically actually forces down inflation in large part because

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01:44:19,240 --> 01:44:24,280
Speaker 11: the gasoline is and oil fuel energy in general is

1913
01:44:24,360 --> 01:44:28,240
Speaker 11: a large part of the entire inflation index. But also

1914
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:32,439
Speaker 11: everything we touch has petroleum in it, and so and

1915
01:44:32,960 --> 01:44:36,400
Speaker 11: or is shipped with gasoline, so you have you know,

1916
01:44:36,640 --> 01:44:40,439
Speaker 11: whether it's food coming on trucks, whether it is the

1917
01:44:40,560 --> 01:44:46,080
Speaker 11: you know, plastics that we're buying everything. I was on

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Speaker 11: Larry Tudlow's television show the other day and he was

1919
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:51,600
Speaker 11: pointing out that his glasses are made of petroleum. So

1920
01:44:51,800 --> 01:44:54,920
Speaker 11: cheap oil, cheap gasoline is a way of getting everything

1921
01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:56,639
Speaker 11: less expensive than our lives.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and one can only help. But also maybe perhaps

1923
01:44:59,720 --> 01:45:02,840
Speaker 4: presu zom on some level that the price that we

1924
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:07,040
Speaker 4: passed along the consumer. I think many manufacturers and providers

1925
01:45:07,080 --> 01:45:09,400
Speaker 4: of goods are looking for ways to provide some price

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Speaker 4: relief and if they're going to save some money in

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Speaker 4: terms of what they're paying to ship goods and serve

1928
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Speaker 4: or to ship the goods. I would think that's an

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Speaker 4: easy way for them to pass along a little bit

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Speaker 4: of savings to the American customer, right, And.

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Speaker 11: It's not just out of the goodness of their heart.

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Speaker 11: Of course, Target wants to compete with Walmart, so when

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Speaker 11: Walmart's costs go down, they can lower the cost and

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Speaker 11: then they they try to lower their prices when their

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Speaker 11: costs go down to beat Target, Target has to do

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Speaker 11: the same thing. So the competitive economy means that you

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Speaker 11: do get these costs start to come down. And I

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Speaker 11: also just think it will help people psychologically. Gasoline is

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Speaker 11: one of those prices that we all see very frequently,

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Speaker 11: even when we're not necessarily filling. Normal prices you only

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Speaker 11: see when you're buying something. Prices of furniture you rarely

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Speaker 11: see because how often you even buy a piece of furniture.

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Speaker 11: Groceries you see more often, but only when you're at

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Speaker 11: the grocery store. Gasoline you see all the time because

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Speaker 11: of the minute you pass a gas station, they advertise

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Speaker 11: what the price is, and so I think it adds

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Speaker 11: a lot of sale ins for people, and people understand

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Speaker 11: that they're not spending as much on the pump. It

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Speaker 11: puts a little more money in their pockets to buy

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Speaker 11: other things, and I think that'll be make people feel

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Speaker 11: some relief from some of this burden left over from

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Speaker 11: the Biden administration of very high inflation that a lot

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Speaker 11: of us are still dealing with.

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Speaker 4: Well, and I guess there's a compounding factor. You know,

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Speaker 4: you would think more oil, more oil, more oil, the

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Speaker 4: price will continue to go down. But there's a point

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Speaker 4: at which a barrel of oil doesn't really generate sufficient

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Speaker 4: revenue for the oil companies. I've heard domestic oil production

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Speaker 4: companies need about fifty dollars a barrel. I think part

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Speaker 4: of that has to do with the added costs of

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Speaker 4: extracting oil and natural gas from shale, But there is

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Speaker 4: a point of limited return. Now we've got alleged lead

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Speaker 4: this Venezuela and oil that's going to be coming online.

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure how much that's going to impact. And

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Speaker 4: there are, of course a lot of logistical hurdles we

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Speaker 4: have to deal with before that oil is going to

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Speaker 4: start flowing, including oil companies agreement to go back to

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Speaker 4: areas where they used to be able to drill and

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Speaker 4: keep their profits until after the communist government socialist government

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Speaker 4: comes in and nationalizes their resources. Can we get them

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Speaker 4: to go back in And ultimately is that going to

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Speaker 4: be a good thing for the oil companies considering it

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Speaker 4: probably will bring the price of oil down.

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Speaker 11: John, Yeah, so a couple of things. One, the price

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Speaker 11: of US oil. I've often heard the fifty dollars quoted. Yeah,

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Speaker 11: that's not necessarily fixed. We can bring down the cost

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Speaker 11: of production of US energy and oil, in particular by

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Speaker 11: one allowing some of these pipelines to get built, allowing

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Speaker 11: not necessarily even less regulation, but more confident regulation. Look,

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Speaker 11: the Biden administration didn't want it to be easy, and

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Speaker 11: the Obama administration before that did not want it to

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Speaker 11: be easy or cheap to extract oil out of the ground.

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Speaker 11: They actually wanted to drive up the price because that

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Speaker 11: would drive down the relative price of things like solar

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Speaker 11: and wind. So they had been engaged in a campaign

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Speaker 11: of making it more expensive to get oil out of

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Speaker 11: the ground. So, yes, fifty dollars is the break even now,

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Speaker 11: but it can come lower and once we get the

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Speaker 11: regulation of it correct. As for Venezuela, I don't think

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Speaker 11: we I think exon mobil has been very hesitant about

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Speaker 11: going in. I understand that you got burned once the

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Speaker 11: comedy season stuff. You're worried. But smaller guys actually are.

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Speaker 8: We are eager.

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Speaker 11: They want to go in. They say, look, we think

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Speaker 11: this time will be safer. We know we have the

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Speaker 11: back of the US President, so we think this is

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Speaker 11: an investible opportunity. And is it risk free. No, but

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Speaker 11: you know a lot of these they call them wild

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Speaker 11: catter oil drillers. They're not going for the risk pre things.

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Speaker 11: These guys want to take risks because that's where you

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Speaker 11: make money.

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Speaker 4: Well, I have always been convinced that taking plant food

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Speaker 4: out of the atmosphere is dangerous for plants. It is

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Speaker 4: not a pollutant carbon dioxide. It keeps the world green

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Speaker 4: and going. We all learned about that in elementary score.

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Speaker 4: At least we used to this whole idea that they

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Speaker 4: wanted to. I mean, the predicate, remember Barack Obama, price

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Speaker 4: of gas will necessarily go up. It was an artificial

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Speaker 4: price increase. Take away the opportunity to drill easily. Throw

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Speaker 4: in regulatory hurdles insurmountable. They are you're going to force

2011
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Speaker 4: people to go over to and you said that would

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Speaker 4: make solar and wind appear more affordable only because gas

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Speaker 4: a lien had been artificially increased in price. So you're

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Speaker 4: competing with an artificially increased price product that we all

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Speaker 4: want and need and can't do without because most of

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Speaker 4: us have intertal combustion engines. You're going to replace it

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Speaker 4: with solar panels and windmills that only come with the

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Speaker 4: only way those can even manage themselves financially is with

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Speaker 4: government subsidies, taxpayer dollars. The whole thing built on what

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Speaker 4: I would argue the house of cards that seems to

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Speaker 4: be falling apart in front of our very eyes, that

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Speaker 4: we are somehow destroying the planet by allowing carbon dioxide

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Speaker 4: to naturally exist and not try to extract it or

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Speaker 4: not put it into the environment and environment in the

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Speaker 4: first place.

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Speaker 11: So that's absolutely right, and you've got the really perverted

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Speaker 11: part of the policy. They're absolutely correct, and it was intentional.

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Speaker 11: You can read the environmentalists, this is what they say

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Speaker 11: they wanted to do. You subsidize the energy they like,

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Speaker 11: you tax the energy or regulate the energy they don't like.

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Speaker 11: And so you are basically visibly forcing people to bot

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Speaker 11: to seek out alternatives because you've driven the price of

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Speaker 11: gas so high, and you've artificially driven the price of

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Speaker 11: non fossil fuels much lower. And that was actually But

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Speaker 11: the problem is you can't get enough energy to run

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Speaker 11: modern society with windmills and solar panels. It's not going

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Speaker 11: to happen. We don't actually even have the technology for

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Speaker 11: a lot of the Look where I live up in

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Speaker 11: the northeast coast of the United States, if you try

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Speaker 11: to run everything on solar, you would be in a

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Speaker 11: lot You just wouldn't have energy for six months.

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Speaker 8: Of the year.

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Speaker 11: We're you know, we're in cloud covered New England here.

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Speaker 11: This is not you can't run solar all over the country.

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Speaker 1: No, of course not.

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Speaker 4: And of course, with artificial intelligence demands increasing the load

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Speaker 4: on the grid, I mean exponentially, we can't satisfy the

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Speaker 4: needs of AI, and so much so that I think

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Speaker 4: the one development that's coming out of all this that's

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Speaker 4: going to be great for America generally speaking, is that

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Speaker 4: we're no longer turning our backs on the concept of

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Speaker 4: small modular reactors or nuclear production. Generally speaking, an abundance

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Speaker 4: of power and oh look, it's been carbon free the

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Speaker 4: whole time, and yet the environment analysts fought nuclear tooth

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Speaker 4: and nail much in the same way they fight anything

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Speaker 4: that involves fossil fuel. It's all insane. But the demand

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Speaker 4: of business and industry and these evil multi billionaires with

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Speaker 4: their AI companies, seems to be trumping this religion that

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Speaker 4: we all have been following blindly.

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Speaker 11: It's actually been a great development, not intentional, but this

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Speaker 11: is the way things have worked out that for a

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Speaker 11: long time we actually had a bunch of these tech

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Speaker 11: companies that believed that because they themselves weren't using much energy,

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Speaker 11: that they were willing to get behind a lot of

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Speaker 11: these horrible climate change policies that drove up the price

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Speaker 11: of energy.

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Speaker 7: Now that we have the new.

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Speaker 11: Technology and the money that's going into things like AI

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Speaker 11: that it is actually energy intensive rather than than not,

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Speaker 11: you're actually getting Silicon Valley and the new technologists to

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Speaker 11: support energy abundance rather than oppose it. That's a very

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Speaker 11: positive and frankly unexpected development. I didn't see that coming,

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Speaker 11: and it's terrific because it means that basically we're recruiting

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Speaker 11: a bunch of pretty wealthy people to be on the

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Speaker 11: side of ordinary Americans when it comes to energy, and

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Speaker 11: that's terrific.

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Speaker 4: Well, they have to advocate that for their own survival. Finally,

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Speaker 4: the chickens as home to ruse for these you know,

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Speaker 4: multi billionaires who are so blindly following leftists and funding

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Speaker 4: every leftist cause out in the world. Oh, whoops. I

2081
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Speaker 4: guess our situations changed. So we're going to change our

2082
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Speaker 4: minds and maybe that'll help again convert people over to

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Speaker 4: the right side of thinking, which is, no carbon dioxide

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Speaker 4: isn't bad. It's plant food, all right. Is the economy

2085
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Speaker 4: getting better?

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Speaker 1: Are we? Are we booming? Are we not?

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Speaker 4: I suppose it depends on where you read an article.

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Speaker 4: Everybody with an opinion has a different outlook on it.

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Speaker 4: It's like subjectivities under the equation. Shouldn't this be a

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Speaker 4: sort of a concrete thing. I guess it just depends

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Speaker 4: on which sector of the economy you're looking at. John Carney.

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Speaker 11: So right now, the economy is growing very rapidly, and

2093
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Speaker 11: I think it's important that people see this. That we

2094
01:54:04,120 --> 01:54:08,519
Speaker 11: grew at a three point eight percent in the second quarter,

2095
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:11,280
Speaker 11: of four point one in the third, and we might

2096
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:15,960
Speaker 11: be growing as fast as even faster than that in

2097
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Speaker 11: the fourth quarter. That gave us a lot of momentum

2098
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Speaker 11: going into this year. That's really good. The unemployment rate

2099
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Speaker 11: has fallen, which is the opposite of what a lot

2100
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Speaker 11: of people thought it was going to do. They thought

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Speaker 11: it was going to keep going up. So this is

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Speaker 11: all good news. And inflation has come in quite Look

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Speaker 11: in just a couple of minutes we'll get some more

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Speaker 11: inflation numbers.

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Speaker 9: This is what we want.

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Speaker 11: We want non inflationary growth. And by the way, wages

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Speaker 11: are rising faster than the rate of inflation, which means

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Speaker 11: that people have more purchasing power. The things we all

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Speaker 11: need to survive in this world are becoming more affordable

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Speaker 11: because we're getting the amount we get paid is going

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Speaker 11: up faster than the prices. That's terrific and it's something

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Speaker 11: that hasn't happened in a long time. Are dangers, Look,

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Speaker 11: interest rates are still pretty high. That could still cause

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Speaker 11: one of the things interest rates do eventually is slow

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Speaker 11: down hiring. So there are dangers still in the economy.

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Speaker 11: Will never not you not have risks to the economy.

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Speaker 11: But the economy is doing well right now, and I

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Speaker 11: think the legacy media is trying to blind us like this,

2119
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Speaker 11: But we are doing well well.

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Speaker 4: Three things that Democrats seem to have going into the

2121
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Speaker 4: November election. You got healthcare and the subsidies, you got inflation,

2122
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Speaker 4: and of course I suppose in the immigration situation, what

2123
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Speaker 4: side are you on getting rid of these evil people

2124
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Speaker 4: in the United States or letting everybody just stay here

2125
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Speaker 4: without any intervention.

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Speaker 1: So that's it.

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Speaker 4: Hopefully the economy kicks in in full earnest before November,

2128
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Speaker 4: taking the wind out of the democrats sales.

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Speaker 1: On that one.

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Speaker 4: We know that John Carney from Breitbart's going to be

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Speaker 4: reporting on all of it. Breitbart dot com is ory

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Speaker 4: you find John and the crew. John, thank you so

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Speaker 4: much for joining me on the program this morning. It's

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Speaker 4: always a pleasure having you on and for my listeners

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Speaker 4: and me. Keep up the great work over at bright Bart.

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Speaker 11: Thanks so much and looking forward to being on again.

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Speaker 4: Looking forward to it already, my friend, have a great week.

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Speaker 4: it's appointment listening time for the Daniel Davis Deep Dive.

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Speaker 4: Retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis joins the program every week,

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Speaker 4: as he does throughout the week with his podcast, Daniel

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Speaker 4: Davis Deep Dive talks about matters military, which he clearly

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Speaker 4: has a whole lot of information about, as we learn

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Speaker 4: every single week. Welcome back, Daniel Davis. It's always a pleasure, sir.

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Speaker 4: Good to see you did a lot to be here, Brian,

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Speaker 4: thanks for having me back.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's start with Iran.

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Speaker 4: This kind of reminded me of the red line of

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Speaker 4: the sand Barack Obama mentioned with regard to Syria. It's

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Speaker 4: use a weapons, you know, blah blah blah, redline of

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Speaker 4: the stand, do not cross it. And then the line

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Speaker 4: gets crossed, and then you wait and wait and wait

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Speaker 4: for something to happen, and nothing really happens. Donald Trump

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Speaker 4: lately has been making a lot of very strong pronouncements

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Speaker 4: with regard to the crackdown on protesters in Iran. Most

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Speaker 4: notably last week, he said on Friday, I made the

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Speaker 4: statement very strongly to the they, the Irani and start

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Speaker 4: killing people like they have in the past. We will

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Speaker 4: get involved, will be hitting them very hard where it hurts.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't mean boots on the ground, but it means hitting

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Speaker 4: them very hard, very hard, where it hurts. Similar pronounces

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Speaker 4: have been made, but the crackdown continues now. Depending upon

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Speaker 4: who you believe. Given the fog of war, somewhere between

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Speaker 4: oh six hundred and two thousand protesters have been killed,

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Speaker 4: lots and lots arrested a multiplier of that, but it continues.

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Speaker 4: Internet's been shut down, which makes it a little more

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Speaker 4: difficult for the protesters to organize themselves. But the Trump

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Speaker 4: response now has been to levy a twenty five percent

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Speaker 4: tariffyn countries doing business with Iran? Is that the step

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Speaker 4: after these claims about military involvement and bombs being dropped

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Speaker 4: and least alluding to all of that, is this the

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Speaker 4: response to the line being crossed? Because of course this

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Speaker 4: killing continues. Daniel Davis, You know.

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Speaker 2: I mean I want to back up just a bit

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Speaker 2: and even look at why was that a redline ever drawn? Period?

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 2: Why is it in the interest of America? Why is

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Speaker 2: it a vital national issues that we should risk our troops,

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Speaker 2: our planes and go and kill somebody in another country

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Speaker 2: because there's some protests going on, or there's things happening

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Speaker 2: in there we don't like, or that their protesters being killed.

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Speaker 2: Even that's not there's no authorization or justification for that anyway,

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Speaker 2: And so I don't know why we would let that

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Speaker 2: be a deciding factor if it wasn't our national security

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Speaker 2: or anything related to the interest of America. So that's

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Speaker 2: the first question, which has not been answered at all

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Speaker 2: so far, right, and then the second one is if

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Speaker 2: you're gonna make a threat and then all of a

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Speaker 2: sudden there's a basically a truth social post, it's a

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Speaker 2: twenty five percent. That's I mean, there's there's literally thousands

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Speaker 2: of sanctions already on Iran. This is not no one's

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Speaker 2: even gonna notice this one. It's not gonna have any

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Speaker 2: real impact on anything. So I don't really understand.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you what I'm concerned about. What I fear

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Speaker 2: is that we just don't have all the assets in

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Speaker 2: place right now, and that's the only reason you haven't

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Speaker 2: seen any strikes, because we don't have that much combat

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Speaker 2: power up there. You may recall that just a few

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Speaker 2: days before this, we did have a big strike in Sirius,

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Speaker 2: so that's obviously in the same region, and we do

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Speaker 2: have some package. I was curious that we used apparently

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Speaker 2: a large strike package against alleged ISIS targets in Syria

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Speaker 2: when we're already talking about maybe doing something in Iran.

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Speaker 2: And you don't see this big build up of power

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Speaker 2: like you did, say before the war in twenty or

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Speaker 2: the options in twenty twenty four when we helped Israel

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Speaker 2: against Iran, or in the so called Twelve Day war

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Speaker 2: in June of last year. So I'm not sure what

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Speaker 2: we can do other than firing, you know, some demonstrative

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Speaker 2: missile strikes here and there. It's not going to be

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Speaker 2: really painful, and who knows whether they're going to have

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Speaker 2: any impact. So this is this is a big.

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Speaker 1: Puzzle to me.

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Speaker 4: It is, and I suppose to the former comments, you're

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Speaker 4: channeling a friend of the show, Senator Ran Paul, who

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Speaker 4: expresses the same concerns about congressional involvement, declarations of war,

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Speaker 4: and the larger question, Wait a second, are we going

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Speaker 4: to be doing this everywhere freedom and democracy or whatever

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Speaker 4: is in jeopardy or anywhere in the world, whether people

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Speaker 4: being having the rights violated, and the answer is that

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Speaker 4: that would be literally impossible. So we're picking and choosing.

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Speaker 4: But also I read an article, and maybe this is

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Speaker 4: to your point about whether we are ready to engage

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Speaker 4: in some sort of military operation in Iran. I've heard

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Speaker 4: that the military, the folks within the military, the generals,

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Speaker 4: the admirals with whom I guess Donald Trump consults, say

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Speaker 4: they are not ready to do engage, to engage in

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Speaker 4: this that bombing Iran may suggest a much longer, more

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Speaker 4: protracted military involvement than we are ready to bite off

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Speaker 4: at this point. I guess we got our hands full

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Speaker 4: over in Venezuela with a lot of military resources there.

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Speaker 4: We certainly have not had the problem when the South

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Speaker 4: China seed disappear or go anywhere. So we're kind of

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Speaker 4: spread far and wide. Is that really maybe part of

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Speaker 4: the problem, Daniel Davis.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's part of many problems. I'll tell you that

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Speaker 2: the fact that we are spread literally to the four

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Speaker 2: winds in the seven Seas, and our four structure is

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Speaker 2: not really that big, and so if you get called

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Speaker 2: into engagement anywhere, it's going to come close to tapping

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Speaker 2: you out. And we saw we had fifteen percent of

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Speaker 2: the Navy and all kinds of other power Marines, air Force, Navy,

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Speaker 2: all down there in the Venezulin area. Well, a lot

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Speaker 2: of that, most of it is, I understand, is still there,

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Speaker 2: so you haven't redeployed that anywhere. It takes a long

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Speaker 2: time to ship things back over into the Middle East, etc.

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Speaker 2: I think you'd need probably a couple of aircraft carriers

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Speaker 2: if you're going to do anything meaningful to Iron and

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Speaker 2: I haven't even heard of the potential deployments of any

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Speaker 2: that yet. Thankfully, I'm glad because the last thing we

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Speaker 2: need to do is to go back and start another

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Speaker 2: war with Iran, because Iran has said that this time

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Speaker 2: that the gloves would come off if you attack us again.

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Speaker 2: We're going to hit your bases throughout the Middle East.

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Speaker 2: And I can just tell you from personal experience of

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Speaker 2: being there, many of these far flung bases that we

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Speaker 2: have throughout the Middle East have literally no air defense

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Speaker 2: coverage on a stratega or on a theater level operation,

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Speaker 2: and those missiles from Iran could just rain down and

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Speaker 2: there's nothing we could do to stop them. They could

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Speaker 2: cause enormous damage, and we need to be really, really

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Speaker 2: careful that we don't get into this habit that we

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Speaker 2: can bomb anyone we want, like Venezuela and nothing will happen. Ever,

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Speaker 2: because one of these days we're going to buy off

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Speaker 2: more than we can chew, and all of a sudden,

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Speaker 2: there could be Americans throughout the Middle East. They are

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Speaker 2: killed for no reason at all. So this is something

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Speaker 2: we really don't need to do.

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Speaker 4: So, I would think given the seemingly precarious nature of

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Speaker 4: the Iranian administration, given the protests, a lot of people

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Speaker 4: speculating that maybe the regime will be overthrown. Remains to

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Speaker 4: be seen. But desperate situations result in desperate acts. So,

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Speaker 4: Daniel Davis, in your military experience, do you think Iran

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Speaker 4: will make good and launch attacks on our various military

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Speaker 4: resources in the Middle East? Which suggests also that Israel

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Speaker 4: might get attacked. They've done it before. That means Israel

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Speaker 4: would get involved in whatever retaliation if they launched one.

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Speaker 2: That is the threat that it would be the US

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Speaker 2: and Israel, they said, and not or so they would

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Speaker 2: have hit both. And I think that the intent is

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Speaker 2: to say, hey, look, you saw what happened during the

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Speaker 2: Twelve Day War. Your air defenses in Israel couldn't even

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Speaker 2: protect you, and it won't protect you this time either,

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Speaker 2: because we have rebuilt a lot of the capacity that

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Speaker 2: we lost there and they've continued to make a lot

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Speaker 2: of these better era ballistic missiles that were so successful

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Speaker 2: last time. And listen, a lot of these protests, too

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Speaker 2: many people in the West are saying, oh, this is

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Speaker 2: just all indigenous stuff, It's just natural.

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Speaker 3: It's not.

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Speaker 2: There has been long time simmering things. There are domestic issues,

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Speaker 2: but there is no question that a lot of this

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Speaker 2: has been fomented from the outside. Mike Pompeo openly admitted

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Speaker 2: on his ex account that Mossad is in the is

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Speaker 2: already on the ground there. There has been many other

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Speaker 2: credible reports that both I six and CIA has been

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Speaker 2: fomenting things on the ground to try to make it

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Speaker 2: worse than it was, and a lot of people in

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Speaker 2: Iran are understanding recognize that. The reason why that is

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Speaker 2: so important to understand is when you're talking about there

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Speaker 2: is the legitimate possibility for large scale upheavals that could

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Speaker 2: overturn the regime if you make them. The regime recognized

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Speaker 2: that they their very existence could be a threat if

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Speaker 2: they do nothing. Now they have no motivation to restrain

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Speaker 2: themselves if you now add on top of that missile.

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Speaker 2: So we don't want to put them into back them

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Speaker 2: into a corner to where it's like use it or

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Speaker 2: lose it, because they may use it. I'm just telling

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Speaker 2: you our defenses will not stop most of these things,

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Speaker 2: and we will suffer casualties if we put them in

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Speaker 2: a no win situation.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know, interesting the global outside influence pot stirring

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Speaker 4: that's made that's led to some of these protests, we

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Speaker 4: might want to look a little bit inwardly about that

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Speaker 4: same concept happening here in the United States of America.

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Speaker 4: Good because we have a lot of protesters here who

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Speaker 4: many analysts and researchers have suggested are being stirred by

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Speaker 4: outside nefarious forces. You just simply don't like the United States.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, what's good for the goose is good

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Speaker 2: for the gander kind of thing, and we don't like that.

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Speaker 2: We you don't talk about how bad it is, and

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Speaker 2: we try to expose it whenever that does happen. And

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Speaker 2: we've been doing it for decades, I mean, oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: a long time. And you know, and sometimes those chickens

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Speaker 2: can come home to roost. And this is part of

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Speaker 2: the reason why I'm adamantly against that. I actually believe

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Speaker 2: in self determination of people in Iran want to change

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Speaker 2: their former government. That is their right prerogative. They take

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Speaker 2: all the risks and the potential rewards for whatever they

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Speaker 2: do on their own. We don't need to stir the

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Speaker 2: thing up or do anything because our national security is

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Speaker 2: not at risk no matter who runs Iran. They are

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Speaker 2: a weak country militarily and they don't threaten us at all,

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Speaker 2: so we don't need to use any force. Whatever they

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Speaker 2: do is on their own. But when we do that, Brian,

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Speaker 2: it then invites it to come back home. And I

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Speaker 2: fear that we may find that tour sha grin one day.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's interesting quote silver Parallel that I'm gonna quickly

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Speaker 4: draw here the anti Iranian sentiment, and I agree with

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Speaker 4: your principles about we don't need to be going around

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Speaker 4: telling anybody else how to live their lives. Period, and

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Speaker 4: point taken. The anti Iranian propaganda's built into the equation.

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Speaker 4: We remember the overthrow of the shot, we remember the

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Speaker 4: taking of the hostages, remember Iran threatening to blow everybody

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Speaker 4: up with a nuclear weapon. We think it's a dangerous

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Speaker 4: thing to get a nuclear weapon, on and on. This

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Speaker 4: has been going on for decades, so there's this general

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Speaker 4: animosity toward Iran, which makes something like this military strike

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Speaker 4: seem more palatable, Like, yeah, this sounds analogous to Vladimir Putin. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: he was affiliated with the Soviet Union. A lot of

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Speaker 4: people my age, you know, I'm sixty, I remember the

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Speaker 4: Cold War. I hated the Soviet Union as much as

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Speaker 4: the next guy. So sort of that animosity is baked

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Speaker 4: into the cake, which is I think a lot of

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Speaker 4: the reason why people are so against the Russian invasion

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Speaker 4: in Ukraine again to the security interests of the United States.

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Speaker 4: Ukraine doesn't really hose any this war is ongoing. I

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Speaker 4: see that Russia recently bombed to the Ukrainian city which

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Speaker 4: with reportedly one of those hypersonic missiles. Is that accurate,

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Speaker 4: because seems to me that Russia still keeps moving forward

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Speaker 4: and capture more Land.

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Speaker 2: Daniel, Yes, it is, It is absolutely accurate. I was

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Speaker 2: reading some of those reports this very morning, a lot

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Speaker 2: of viscandors and other hypersonic missiles, and then another wave

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Speaker 2: of the Guarante drones, the theater level drones that have

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Speaker 2: been going across most of them, well not most of them,

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02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:33,800
Speaker 2: but it's large number of them, a large percentage to

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Speaker 2: get through every time. And it has just continuing to

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Speaker 2: just destroy the ability of Ukraine to have any energy, electricity,

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Speaker 2: to either to do business or to have military industrial capacity.

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Speaker 2: It's all just devastating that. And now then they're they're

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Speaker 2: the mayor of Kiev is literally telling people to leave

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Speaker 2: the city because they don't have enough power to keep

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Speaker 2: people from freezing to death.

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Speaker 4: That tells you a lot right there, It really does.

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Speaker 4: I want to say war of attrition, but it's one

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Speaker 4: that the Russians seemed to be winning. Just real quick,

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Speaker 4: I quick question for we part Coedy Daniel Davis. Did

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Speaker 4: you ever when this first started, this conflict with Russian

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02:08:09,920 --> 02:08:12,400
Speaker 4: invading Ukraine, did you ever anticipate that it would take

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02:08:12,600 --> 02:08:15,040
Speaker 4: this long, that this war would still be going on

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02:08:15,360 --> 02:08:18,800
Speaker 4: without some clear victory. I would imagine my guests early

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02:08:18,880 --> 02:08:20,480
Speaker 4: on would have been the Russians would have rolled right

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02:08:20,520 --> 02:08:23,960
Speaker 4: over Ukraine absent some massive outside force boots on the

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02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:26,520
Speaker 4: ground from the European Union or NATO or whatever. But

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Speaker 4: they keep moving forward, and it's been going on for

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02:08:29,240 --> 02:08:29,760
Speaker 4: a long time.

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Speaker 2: Well, The problem with the Russians is that, and with

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Speaker 2: that scenario is that they did not intend to do that.

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Speaker 2: They did not intend to roll over and take over

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Speaker 2: the country because they knew that. I mean, they'd been

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Speaker 2: watching a year civil war going on before then, they'd

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Speaker 2: been watching NATO build up the Ukraine military, so they

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02:08:47,200 --> 02:08:50,120
Speaker 2: knew that they were capable and fairly large, and so

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02:08:50,240 --> 02:08:52,320
Speaker 2: they went in with a relatively small force. It was

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02:08:52,400 --> 02:08:57,120
Speaker 2: a demonstration force. This canard that Russia thought they were

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02:08:57,160 --> 02:08:59,760
Speaker 2: going to win in three days was nonsense. They never

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02:08:59,800 --> 02:09:01,720
Speaker 2: said that. They never intended that. They didn't have the

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Speaker 2: force to it. They intended to compel a negotiated settlement,

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Speaker 2: which they nearly got in Istanbul two months into the war.

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Speaker 2: But then when they didn't get that, they didn't have

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02:09:10,480 --> 02:09:13,000
Speaker 2: a plan B resourced, and that's when they said, oh crap.

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Speaker 2: And so it took them a year and a half

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02:09:14,720 --> 02:09:16,120
Speaker 2: to get back up to the point to where they're

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Speaker 2: at now, where they can fight and win a war

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Speaker 2: of attrition. That's where they're at now.

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Speaker 9: And so.

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Speaker 2: That no, to answer your question, I didn't expect this.

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02:09:25,400 --> 02:09:27,600
Speaker 2: Russia didn't expect this. I did not expect that this

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02:09:27,680 --> 02:09:29,160
Speaker 2: would go on this long I thought we'd have a

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Speaker 2: negotiated settlement a long time ago, because that was in

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Speaker 2: the best interests of Europe, Ukraine and the United States. Unfortunately,

2420
02:09:36,040 --> 02:09:38,280
Speaker 2: that's not what we did, and now then we have

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Speaker 2: a much stronger Russia on the NATO Eastern flank than

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Speaker 2: we had before, and we're gonna have to deal with

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Speaker 2: that for a long time to come.

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Speaker 4: Every Tuesday, beginning at a thirty, the Daniel Davis Deep

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Speaker 4: Dive with our guest and friend, retired Lieutenant Colonel Daniel Davis.

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Speaker 4: Finding them where you find your podcast, Daniel Davis Deep Dive,

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Speaker 4: It'll be on my blog page fifty five Carosey dot com. Sir,

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Speaker 4: you have a great week. We'll do this again next Tuesday.

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Speaker 4: Look forward to it, Brian, see then take care, sir.

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Speaker 4: Eight forty two Dusty Road at seventy five right lane

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Speaker 4: Strekker high comedy over the break, he said Fox nineteen.

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Speaker 4: He was the report of waking up at five o'clock

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Speaker 4: or earlier is harmful to your health, suggesting that maybe

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Speaker 4: Joe and I need to make a worker's compensation claim.

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Speaker 4: We'll think about it, Joe. Any workers comployers out there

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Speaker 4: that want to help Joe, please feel free to give

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Speaker 4: them a call. In the meantime, without further ado, welcome

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Speaker 4: back to the Morning Show. Dusty Rhoads, former Hamilton County auditor,

2441
02:10:38,640 --> 02:10:42,000
Speaker 4: came up with a had a conversation yesterday with Senate

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Speaker 4: candidate from the seventh district here in the state of Ohio,

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Speaker 4: Zach Haynes, who talked about property tax relief. We certainly

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02:10:48,720 --> 02:10:51,120
Speaker 4: need it, and many people can't afford to pay their

2445
02:10:51,160 --> 02:10:55,000
Speaker 4: property taxes, especially when they jump thirty plus percent overnight.

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Speaker 4: Dusty Rhoads, a lot of ideas floating around out there.

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Speaker 4: I know the budget from the state of Ohio. The

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Speaker 4: elect officials said, here are some property tax relief items,

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Speaker 4: and our governor line item vetoed them. We are facing

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Speaker 4: a potential ballot initiative which would eliminate, by way of

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02:11:10,160 --> 02:11:14,200
Speaker 4: constitutional amendment in Ohio, the collection of property taxes, which

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02:11:15,000 --> 02:11:18,640
Speaker 4: sounds interesting, get your popcorn out type of event, Dusty,

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02:11:18,720 --> 02:11:22,440
Speaker 4: but it's going to be really complicated if that happens.

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Speaker 4: Where are we, Dusty Rhoads. Is there any relief out

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02:11:25,000 --> 02:11:27,240
Speaker 4: there that's possible in what would happen if we just

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Speaker 4: got rid of it? Dusty, welcome back. Happy new year,

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Speaker 4: by the.

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Speaker 6: Way, Happy new year, Brian. Good to be whether it's interesting.

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Speaker 6: The first thing I want to note is there were

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Speaker 6: a bunch of property tax issues on the ballot in

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Speaker 6: November in Hamilton County, and you know how many of

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02:11:46,680 --> 02:11:47,440
Speaker 6: them passed?

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Speaker 1: It was all but like one, weren't there all of them?

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Speaker 6: All of them?

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02:11:53,520 --> 02:11:55,360
Speaker 4: I thought maybe, okay, I thought maybe one of the

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02:11:55,400 --> 02:11:57,000
Speaker 4: local school levies got shot down.

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Speaker 6: No, they all passed. And so that indicates to me

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02:12:03,320 --> 02:12:09,280
Speaker 6: that this property tax issue is not the big issue

2469
02:12:09,360 --> 02:12:13,320
Speaker 6: we thought it was. I mean, don't you think there'd

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02:12:13,320 --> 02:12:16,600
Speaker 6: be an outpouring of votes against property taxes?

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02:12:16,760 --> 02:12:17,240
Speaker 1: Well? Dost he?

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Speaker 4: Don't ask me what I think about the most recent election,

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02:12:19,720 --> 02:12:21,960
Speaker 4: since only one out of four registered voters in the

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02:12:22,040 --> 02:12:24,920
Speaker 4: city anyway bothered to show up. I think that's just

2475
02:12:25,000 --> 02:12:27,400
Speaker 4: the problem of low information voters and off your election,

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02:12:27,520 --> 02:12:30,720
Speaker 4: and people who just are not politically paying attention, and

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02:12:30,840 --> 02:12:34,080
Speaker 4: many people who like for example, apartment renters, who don't

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02:12:34,080 --> 02:12:36,120
Speaker 4: really think that property tax impacts them.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, they don't realize that it's built into their

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02:12:40,360 --> 02:12:43,880
Speaker 6: rental payment. But the problem is the twenty mil floor,

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02:12:44,400 --> 02:12:48,440
Speaker 6: and I think they've passed something that limits that a little.

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02:12:49,560 --> 02:12:54,840
Speaker 6: That's the device that the school's got to avoid the

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02:12:55,000 --> 02:13:00,760
Speaker 6: rollback of the taxes. When values go up, every other

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02:13:02,320 --> 02:13:07,560
Speaker 6: tax rolled back so that the police department and fire

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02:13:07,600 --> 02:13:13,320
Speaker 6: departments and mental health levey and didn't get more than

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02:13:13,360 --> 02:13:16,960
Speaker 6: the voters approved money wise, and if that was in

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02:13:17,080 --> 02:13:21,240
Speaker 6: effect for the schools, Texas wouldn't have jumped that much.

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Speaker 1: Well the other thing, Oh, go ahead and finish your thought.

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Speaker 6: Well, Well, the thing is there is a conspiracy of

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02:13:29,200 --> 02:13:36,560
Speaker 6: silence in the Columbus news people to not talk about it.

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02:13:37,000 --> 02:13:39,960
Speaker 6: I've asked Tom said Us, the guy who writes for

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Speaker 6: the Inquirer, five times. Welly, I didn't write about the

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02:13:44,800 --> 02:13:48,840
Speaker 6: twenty mil floor, and he won't answer me. I've asked

2494
02:13:48,920 --> 02:13:53,200
Speaker 6: the two reporters in Columbus for Gannette and they won't

2495
02:13:53,240 --> 02:13:53,920
Speaker 6: answer either.

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02:13:54,640 --> 02:13:55,600
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't get it.

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02:13:56,720 --> 02:13:57,640
Speaker 9: Well I don't.

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02:13:58,280 --> 02:14:04,120
Speaker 6: It's simple look at it. Maybe it's hard to believe though,

2499
02:14:04,760 --> 02:14:07,839
Speaker 6: the twenty mili floor and the exemption for the schools

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02:14:08,680 --> 02:14:14,480
Speaker 6: which in the district's qualified, and that's eight or nine.

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02:14:14,600 --> 02:14:20,160
Speaker 6: Here every district in Butler County qualified taxes went up

2502
02:14:20,640 --> 02:14:25,720
Speaker 6: a lot without a vote of the people, and that's

2503
02:14:25,760 --> 02:14:27,880
Speaker 6: the twenty mil floor Cambit.

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02:14:28,040 --> 02:14:29,080
Speaker 1: Well, Dusty Rhodes.

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02:14:29,160 --> 02:14:31,520
Speaker 4: How about I know it's been discussed, it's not me

2506
02:14:31,640 --> 02:14:34,440
Speaker 4: coming up with the concept, but how about an adjustment

2507
02:14:34,560 --> 02:14:38,480
Speaker 4: for inflation in terms of property tax increases as opposed

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Speaker 4: to market valuation. I mean, you go through something like

2509
02:14:41,560 --> 02:14:44,520
Speaker 4: COVID where everybody and his brother is out buying up

2510
02:14:44,560 --> 02:14:47,120
Speaker 4: all the real estate. You now have institutional investors which

2511
02:14:47,120 --> 02:14:49,160
Speaker 4: have been around since we had the housing crash back

2512
02:14:49,200 --> 02:14:52,120
Speaker 4: in the mid two thousands. They're buying up property. They

2513
02:14:52,120 --> 02:14:53,640
Speaker 4: have a lot more money. Of course, it drives the

2514
02:14:53,680 --> 02:14:56,480
Speaker 4: prices of real estate supplying demands. Runningto a problem the

2515
02:14:56,480 --> 02:14:59,080
Speaker 4: additional twenty million immigrants over the past several years. That

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02:14:59,160 --> 02:15:01,720
Speaker 4: creates a bit of a house and shortage. So if

2517
02:15:01,720 --> 02:15:05,360
Speaker 4: there's not enough houses to go around, the prices necessarily increase,

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02:15:06,000 --> 02:15:08,120
Speaker 4: and that is going to cause the property taxes to increase,

2519
02:15:08,200 --> 02:15:10,720
Speaker 4: maybe thirty percent, depending upon the market. But how about

2520
02:15:10,760 --> 02:15:13,320
Speaker 4: something that suggested solely on the basis of the amount

2521
02:15:13,360 --> 02:15:15,800
Speaker 4: of inflation. It would take some of the sting out

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Speaker 4: of these radical fluctuations, wouldn't it right?

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Speaker 6: And real estate doesn't track inflation. It jumps a lot

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02:15:23,160 --> 02:15:27,879
Speaker 6: and it declines a lot, and it doesn't track inflation.

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02:15:28,640 --> 02:15:32,960
Speaker 6: So if you take that out of the equation, that

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02:15:33,080 --> 02:15:36,200
Speaker 6: would be something that they could do. But I like

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02:15:36,320 --> 02:15:39,880
Speaker 6: the fact that the schools and the townships and everybody

2528
02:15:40,240 --> 02:15:42,880
Speaker 6: had to go to the voters every three or four

2529
02:15:43,000 --> 02:15:47,720
Speaker 6: years and ask for money and justify the request, and

2530
02:15:47,880 --> 02:15:52,840
Speaker 6: most cases had passed because they made the case. But

2531
02:15:53,200 --> 02:15:57,920
Speaker 6: now they're exempted by this twenty Mili four nonsense. And

2532
02:15:58,720 --> 02:16:02,440
Speaker 6: the legislatures tried to rein that in and I think

2533
02:16:02,520 --> 02:16:06,560
Speaker 6: that bill passed that ties it to inflation. But the

2534
02:16:06,680 --> 02:16:11,080
Speaker 6: problem is with doing away with the property tax completely.

2535
02:16:11,960 --> 02:16:15,800
Speaker 6: These people are well meaning, but they're doomed. They're wasting

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02:16:15,880 --> 02:16:20,360
Speaker 6: their time. And remember in the eighties when the income

2537
02:16:20,440 --> 02:16:23,000
Speaker 6: tax went in and they put it on the ballot

2538
02:16:23,600 --> 02:16:29,640
Speaker 6: and you would do away with the income tax, and

2539
02:16:29,760 --> 02:16:33,720
Speaker 6: they lost. And the income tax is still there and

2540
02:16:33,840 --> 02:16:36,600
Speaker 6: the property tax. All they need to say against it

2541
02:16:36,879 --> 02:16:39,199
Speaker 6: is will shut down your fire department?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

2543
02:16:39,760 --> 02:16:40,680
Speaker 6: No, God, that's it.

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02:16:41,040 --> 02:16:43,840
Speaker 4: The ad campaign is going to be overwhelming. You know

2545
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:46,120
Speaker 4: your schools are going to save the fire department. The

2546
02:16:46,240 --> 02:16:48,560
Speaker 4: parks are going to get shut down. It's yeah, And

2547
02:16:48,640 --> 02:16:51,440
Speaker 4: there's not going to be any moneyed organized effort to

2548
02:16:51,680 --> 02:16:55,880
Speaker 4: support rolling back property taxes right right going back to

2549
02:16:55,959 --> 02:16:58,200
Speaker 4: the schools, and this comes up all the time, and

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Speaker 4: again it came up with the other day with us

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Speaker 4: and a candidate, Zach Haynes. Twenty years ago or maybe

2552
02:17:03,840 --> 02:17:06,080
Speaker 4: even more, the Ohio State Supreme Court ruled that the

2553
02:17:06,160 --> 02:17:09,120
Speaker 4: current funding of schools is unconstitutional. And here we are,

2554
02:17:09,240 --> 02:17:11,720
Speaker 4: twenty plus years later, we're doing it the same way.

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02:17:11,800 --> 02:17:14,040
Speaker 4: I guess the Supreme Court pronouncements don't matter in the

2556
02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:14,800
Speaker 4: state of Ohio.

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02:17:15,600 --> 02:17:19,879
Speaker 6: What the state isn't doing enough. And Bart West, who

2558
02:17:20,120 --> 02:17:23,200
Speaker 6: was on the Who Kills school Board and a former

2559
02:17:23,680 --> 02:17:27,920
Speaker 6: police chief in Green Township, points out that West Virginia

2560
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Speaker 6: even and the surrounding states are paying five thousand or

2561
02:17:32,360 --> 02:17:35,920
Speaker 6: more a student and Ohio is paying about three thousand.

2562
02:17:36,480 --> 02:17:39,600
Speaker 6: So they're underfunding and putting the burden on the property

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02:17:39,720 --> 02:17:43,600
Speaker 6: tax payer. And that was caseis trick too. He did

2564
02:17:43,680 --> 02:17:47,280
Speaker 6: the same thing. He put the burden on the local

2565
02:17:47,440 --> 02:17:51,360
Speaker 6: governments by cutting the local government fund. And the state

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02:17:51,560 --> 02:17:55,360
Speaker 6: is the most efficient tax selector with the income tax,

2567
02:17:55,480 --> 02:17:59,840
Speaker 6: which is fair according to how much you make, and

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Speaker 6: they've been whittling that down and throwing the burden on

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Speaker 6: local governments and it's the problem. Property tax problem is

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Speaker 6: the result.

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Speaker 4: Dusty Roads. If more honor for Hamilton County. It's great

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Speaker 4: having you on, Dusty. I hope you are doing well

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Speaker 4: and your family's doing well. It's a pleasure to having

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Speaker 4: you on the program. We can talk again when these

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Speaker 4: matters come up, and I know you're always willing to

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Speaker 4: discuss it with my listeners and me. Happy New Year

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Speaker 4: to you, sir. Thanks for spending some time with my

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Speaker 4: listeners with me today, Dusty.

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Speaker 6: Happy new Year to you, Brian and all the best

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Speaker 6: in twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 4: Hey, just fyi, we're going to be at ronz Rous

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Speaker 4: on the West Side for the next listener launch fourth

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Speaker 4: of February. That's first Wednesday, February. I know you come

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Speaker 4: every once in a while. I'm just extending an infin

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Speaker 4: invitation with no pressure to show up. But it's always

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Speaker 4: great when you show up the listener lunch, my friend,

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Speaker 4: I'll be there.

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Speaker 1: Take care, Dusty Roads. That'll be uh Rods