1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: It's nice side with Dan Ray. I'm going easy Boston's 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: news radio. 3 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:08,160 Speaker 2: So I guarantee you good night here on Nightside as 4 00:00:08,160 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 2: we head between this very moment untill about eleven fifty 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:14,880 Speaker 2: eight tonight, So if you stick with us for the 6 00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 2: next four hours, we will keep you informed and entertained. 7 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 2: My name is Dan Ray, host of Nightside, Rob Brooks. 8 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: I like to refer to him as my partner in time, 9 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:28,960 Speaker 2: not crime time, because Rob is here. He is one 10 00:00:29,040 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 2: of the most loyal persons that you could ever have. 11 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 2: He's here every night. There are a few exceptions, but 12 00:00:36,280 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 2: he's back there setting you all up for phone calls. 13 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:40,960 Speaker 2: Does a great job, Rob Brooks, So say hello to 14 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 2: Rob when you begin to call in with phone calls 15 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: during the nine o'clock our first hour tonight. Only the 16 00:00:46,760 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 2: first hour is devoted to four different interviews with people 17 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 2: from various backgrounds, although tonight there's a little bit of 18 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: a theme to it that deals with health, I guess consciousness. 19 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 2: As we have made the turn now and we are 20 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 2: nearly halfway through January, I'm sure most New Year's resolutions 21 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: are totally gone. A little bit later on tonight at 22 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 2: nine o'clock will be talking with William Martin, the author 23 00:01:11,040 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 2: of so many great books, a World War Two thriller 24 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 2: December forty one. This is another masterpiece from a master 25 00:01:19,240 --> 00:01:23,800 Speaker 2: and that's exactly what William Martin is. He's a historical novelist. 26 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 2: He basically writes everything you know. You probably know him 27 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,120 Speaker 2: from Back Bay and Cape Cod and Annapolis and The 28 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 2: Lincoln Letter and so many other great books. But this 29 00:01:33,520 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 2: is his most recent December forty one, and we will 30 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 2: talk about that with him tonight at nine o'clock and 31 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:44,919 Speaker 2: then later on tonight at ten o'clock. Yesterday, Massachusetts US 32 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 2: Senator and I'm hoping a presidential candidate in twenty twenty eight, 33 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 2: Elizabeth Warren laid out a new path, a path to 34 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 2: victory for Democrats, and I think that what she's suggested 35 00:01:58,240 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: should be taken very seriously about the Democratic Party. I 36 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 2: give you an opportunity to weigh in on that beginning 37 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 2: at ten o'clock tonight. But first, first, we're going to 38 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 2: talk about the power of the pause. Not the pause 39 00:02:11,639 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: on a little four footed, four footed friends, No, the 40 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 2: pa U s E ninety seconds to Colm, Reset and reconnect. 41 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 2: We're gonna speak with Jillian Pranski. She's an author in mindfulness, teacher, 42 00:02:25,320 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 2: and yoga therapist. Jillian, Welcome to Night's Side. I feel 43 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 2: much calmer already, just beginning to disest with you. 44 00:02:34,440 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 3: Well, I felt much calmer when you just mentioned my 45 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 3: four pod friend with the pause. 46 00:02:39,919 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: Right. Well, I'm a big four pod friend. I'm a 47 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: friend of anyone with four paws. But this is a 48 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: different sort of pause. This is ninety seconds to calm, reset, 49 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:54,359 Speaker 2: and reconnect. How do we do that in this crazy 50 00:02:54,400 --> 00:02:57,920 Speaker 2: world we're currently living in? Jillian, I know that there 51 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 2: must be a way. How do you recommend people take 52 00:03:02,919 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 2: that ninety seconds? And I believe me, I want to 53 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: do what you're suggesting. I just want to know how 54 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 2: to do it. 55 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:13,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that is what my book is all about. 56 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:17,640 Speaker 3: The first thing I will say is we are all 57 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 3: just on constant high alert chronic stress, calling it normal. 58 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 3: You know, we don't even know we could feel better 59 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 3: or shift out of our reactive brain and into a 60 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: place of more common clarity. But we can't really think 61 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 3: our way out of stress either, And so how we 62 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 3: do it. One of the very first things, the most 63 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:43,560 Speaker 3: important things, is to come down out of our head 64 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 3: and into our body. 65 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:46,320 Speaker 4: Onto the ground. 66 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:50,080 Speaker 3: Pausing is really a bottom up job. It's not something 67 00:03:50,120 --> 00:03:52,960 Speaker 3: we think our way through. So I kind of mean 68 00:03:53,320 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 3: literally like we're all either sitting on a chair, walking 69 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 3: on the ground, maybe we're on a couch or in 70 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:02,720 Speaker 3: a car. Bringing our awareness to what's underneath us for 71 00:04:02,840 --> 00:04:06,840 Speaker 3: a breath for two three breaths is a game changer. 72 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:08,080 Speaker 3: That's step number one. 73 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 2: So we could. 74 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 3: Literally take a breath right now and as you exhale, 75 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 3: just notice what's under your body and literally let your 76 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:26,600 Speaker 3: weight rest on it. That's the beginning. That's the beginning. 77 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: I did exactly. I felt different. I did, I really did. 78 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 3: Yeah, we're stuck in our heads. Stress is in our heads. 79 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 3: If we want it's like telling a speeding car to, 80 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 3: you know, slow down without turning on the brakes. If 81 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:46,880 Speaker 3: we want to begin to shift out of stress, immediately, 82 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 3: we turn our attention to the support that is under 83 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 3: our body. 84 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 2: Of course it's going to cary. You can downshift, but 85 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 2: it's tough to downshift in life. That's that is for sure. 86 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,400 Speaker 2: How did you discover this? Is this something that that 87 00:05:00,800 --> 00:05:03,479 Speaker 2: you came to realize or is it something that you 88 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 2: sought out and found? 89 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,679 Speaker 3: Well, I have been teaching for thirty years, and I 90 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 3: was a teacher for eight of those years before I 91 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:18,440 Speaker 3: had a family tragedy that ignited a series of panic 92 00:05:18,600 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 3: attacks and anxiety attacks, and I turned back to my 93 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,919 Speaker 3: practice eventually to tailor it into a way to really 94 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 3: help me live with anxiety in a way that I 95 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:34,799 Speaker 3: could still show up for my life and find calm 96 00:05:34,839 --> 00:05:38,840 Speaker 3: and presence even in the challenges and even with you know, 97 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 3: feeling shaky ground which we're all on. I've also had 98 00:05:43,279 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 3: amazing teachers, and I incorporate a tremendous amount of learning 99 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 3: that I've done over those thirty years. 100 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:53,239 Speaker 2: The other thing is I had a couple of times 101 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 2: actually given up something that caused me great stress. Oh. 102 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if you can identify with this, but 103 00:06:03,960 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 2: I had a health savings account through my company, and 104 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 2: the health savings company was horrible, and I remember, you know, 105 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 2: you would argue with them over every twenty dollars copay. 106 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 2: You had to you know, almost send them notarized receipts 107 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 2: witnessed by the President of the United States or the 108 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 2: Secretary General of the United Nations to show I mean, 109 00:06:28,600 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 2: it was insane. And I talked with my doctor and 110 00:06:34,240 --> 00:06:37,159 Speaker 2: he said, why are you keeping it? And I said, wow, 111 00:06:37,240 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: you know you can use pre tax dollars for three 112 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,520 Speaker 2: thousand dollars a year and you can save a few 113 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:45,159 Speaker 2: hundred dollars on your taxes. He says, is it worth 114 00:06:45,160 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 2: the stress? I said no, He said why are you 115 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 2: keeping it? And I got rid of it and there 116 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 2: was the best six hundred and seven hundred dollars I 117 00:06:55,080 --> 00:07:00,320 Speaker 2: ever spent, because first of all, I removed my self 118 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: from the cause of the stress, which was this horrible company. 119 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 2: Horrible company, and I've gone through this time of year 120 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 2: where you normally have to use all your health sav 121 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: these account money or you're going to lose it, and 122 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 2: it's like, Neil, no big deal, you know. 123 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 3: I think when we have the opportunity to be clear 124 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 3: and wise enough about leaving certain situations or getting out 125 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 3: of stressful moments, I think that that is a wonderful 126 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 3: thing to recognize and do. But life is always going 127 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,559 Speaker 3: to be challenging and busy, whether it's our news feed 128 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 3: or you know, whether it's a conversation with our neighbor 129 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 3: or our child, and really having an intentional tool to 130 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:55,280 Speaker 3: handle the everyday moments of chronic stress is the ones 131 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 3: that are going to help us show up and instead 132 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 3: of being in our reactive mind or having irritability or 133 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 3: tension or exhaustion or ill health from stress, we can 134 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 3: start to turn that around. 135 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: Okay, let's do this, Jillian. I want everybody who's listening 136 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: to me right now, if you're driving anywhere in America, 137 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:15,400 Speaker 2: if you're sitting at home, if you're on a couch. 138 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: Jillian's gonna lead us, give us the instruction as to 139 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 2: what we should do, and then we'll relax for thirty 140 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: seconds and then we'll plug the book. Go right ahead, Jillian. 141 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,600 Speaker 3: You've got the floor beautiful, and you can do this 142 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 3: while driving. Just imagine as you're driving, just look around 143 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 3: with skillfulness, but the way a Sandheimer or an hour 144 00:08:38,800 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 3: glass when turned upside down, the heaviness drains from the 145 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,000 Speaker 3: top to the bottom. So we'll take three breaths, and 146 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 3: on the first exhl, imagine the weight, the heaviness, the sandiness, 147 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 3: and you draining from your head to your shoulders, and 148 00:08:55,840 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 3: on an exhile, from your shoulders down through your waists. 149 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:05,559 Speaker 3: And I'm one more excel at all. Your weight actually 150 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 3: land on whatever your body is resting on that your 151 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 3: body rests on the support under you, and that's step 152 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 3: number one. So let your body land on the ground, okay. 153 00:09:22,280 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: And step number two is to at least consider getting 154 00:09:25,600 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 2: this book. The Power of the Pause Seconds to Come, 155 00:09:28,960 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 2: Reset and Reconnect by Jillian Pranski. Jillian, I assume it's 156 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 2: available at Amazon. I know that, or probably wherever fine 157 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 2: books are sold. The Power of. 158 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:38,840 Speaker 3: The everywhere books are sold. 159 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: Ninety seconds to Come, Reset and Reconnect, Jillian. I enjoyed 160 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 2: our conversation, and I feel less stressed as a consequence. 161 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 3: Thank you for pausing with me. 162 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: Thank you very much for allowing me to pause with you. 163 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:54,079 Speaker 2: We're going to also pause here because we have a 164 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:56,079 Speaker 2: three other guests this hour coming up. We're going to 165 00:09:56,120 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 2: talk about five ways to use AI for a healthier 166 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 2: twenty tw I hope some of you did that because 167 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 2: it makes me feel better, and I suspect that maybe 168 00:10:06,080 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 2: made some of you feel better. We'll be back on 169 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 2: night Side right after this. 170 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's 171 00:10:15,840 --> 00:10:16,440 Speaker 1: news radio. 172 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 2: We're joined now by doctor Earl Campasey. Doctor Campasey, Welcome 173 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:22,959 Speaker 2: to Nightside, sir. 174 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 5: Oh hi, thank you. 175 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:30,280 Speaker 2: You are a John Hopkins trained preventive medicine physician with 176 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 2: thirty five years of clinical experience and for four board certifications, 177 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,840 Speaker 2: and we're going to talk about five ways to use 178 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:40,839 Speaker 2: AI for a healthier twenty twenty six. A lot of 179 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 2: people have heard about AI artificial intelligence. They don't have 180 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,720 Speaker 2: a clue what it means. But you have actually broken 181 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,800 Speaker 2: it down for some actual benefits that most people can 182 00:10:51,920 --> 00:10:54,800 Speaker 2: identify with and think about. Let's walk through them place. 183 00:10:55,640 --> 00:11:01,200 Speaker 5: Sure, first of all, it's not really intelligence. It's more 184 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 5: like a research assistant or kind of Google on steroids. 185 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 5: And you know, this may date me and maybe you're 186 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,680 Speaker 5: in the same age range. But it was a movie 187 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:18,679 Speaker 5: rain Man where Dustin Hoffman played a person on the 188 00:11:18,760 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 5: spectrum and they had them counting cards, and you know, 189 00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 5: he was great at counting cards in the casino, but 190 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 5: he wasn't aware that if you win every hand, you're 191 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,959 Speaker 5: soon going to get the attention of the pit bosses and. 192 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:34,439 Speaker 2: You're also going to get the bums rush. 193 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly. But that's the kind of thing that AI 194 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 5: does that it's great at. It's great in its lane, 195 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 5: but it can't analyze like in context, like a physician 196 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 5: seeing a person and can you know, tell what they 197 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 5: look like, can tell their expressions, how they're moving, et cetera. 198 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 5: So's it's a great tool, but it's not a panacea. 199 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 2: Sure, But but AI and all of us have some 200 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 2: I think are getting close to having some devices. Maybe 201 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: not everyone has an Apple Watch. I don't have an 202 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 2: Apple Watch. I'm not interested in an Apple Watch, but 203 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 2: I have my UH. I have a couple of little 204 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 2: electronic devices which are pretty cheap things that you buy 205 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 2: where I can test my blood pressure whenever I want. 206 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 2: I don't have to have an assistant do it. I 207 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 2: just put on my blood pressure sleeve and and I, 208 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,320 Speaker 2: you know, I can sort of say, you know, what 209 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 2: do I I kind of try to guess what it 210 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,480 Speaker 2: will be based upon how I feel. So that's a 211 00:12:41,520 --> 00:12:44,080 Speaker 2: form of AI. But there are some other ways. I 212 00:12:44,080 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 2: guess that you're that you talk about accessible AI tools 213 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 2: and affordable wearables that can simplify healthy habits rather than 214 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: overwhelm people. I assume that's I haven't read your book, 215 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:56,679 Speaker 2: but I assume that's what it's about. 216 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's one of one of the aspects. A lot 217 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 5: of people have either an Apple Watch or the equivalent, 218 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 5: but maybe. 219 00:13:11,040 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: Those are the those are the rich people. I love 220 00:13:13,320 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 2: talking about the average person. 221 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 5: Okay, go ahead, Well I actually and maybe fifty percent 222 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:28,120 Speaker 5: of people have smart smart watches, but about ninety percent 223 00:13:28,360 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 5: of people have smartphones. And just your phone is recording 224 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:38,600 Speaker 5: more data than a lot of people realize, more than 225 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 5: just step count that it can. It can actually listen 226 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 5: as you talk, and with the AI interpretation, I can 227 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 5: tell if your voice is changing, as it might with 228 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 5: a virus coming on. So there's a lot of a 229 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 5: lot of things that are available that people aren't even 230 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 5: aware of. And my book tries to find them middle 231 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 5: ground because I have people that are using it kind 232 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 5: of inappropriately, maybe relying on it too much, and then 233 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 5: other people that are afraid of it because of data 234 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 5: privacy issues that are really more fear a lot of 235 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:26,240 Speaker 5: common sense if you don't have to give your name 236 00:14:26,360 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 5: or identifying information, but you can put your health data 237 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 5: stripped of that information and really very little risk if 238 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 5: you do it that way. 239 00:14:37,920 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, the bottom line though, is whether we 240 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,000 Speaker 2: like it or not. And again I've used the phrase 241 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,760 Speaker 2: artificial intelligence, and I kid with my friends. I always 242 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 2: say I'm still looking for real intelligence, but artificial intelligence 243 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 2: is with us for better or worse. I mean, it's 244 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 2: almost like that one person who handles every phone call 245 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: when you have to call a major corporate All that 246 00:15:00,920 --> 00:15:05,840 Speaker 2: we now know that that one person somewhere in Asia 247 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 2: or wherever wherever they are located. You know, I'm speaking 248 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,520 Speaker 2: a little sarcastically here, but the idea is that, uh, 249 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 2: the the ability to actually speak to a representative of 250 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: a company that's going the way of the Dodo bird 251 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 2: chat boxes and an automatic chats which which are to me, 252 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: just a total waste of time. And I think that 253 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 2: companies are making a huge mistake. But that's a comment, 254 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 2: a comment that I'm not asking you to, you know, 255 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 2: react to. But AI is here for better or for worse. 256 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 2: So we should try to take the areas that we're 257 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 2: comfortable with and that can benefit us, particularly from a 258 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,400 Speaker 2: health perspective. And I think, and I hope that's what 259 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 2: your book would do for us. 260 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 5: Yep, you know, one of the things. And maybe you'll 261 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 5: agree with me. From your investigative reporting days, it's not 262 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 5: so much the answer questions that you ask. And you know, Uh, 263 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 5: in the book, I teach people not only uh, you know, 264 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 5: it's very simple to use AI the chat box UH 265 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 5: chat GPT, Rock Claude, et cetera. UH, where you can 266 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 5: ask a question and it gives you an answer. But 267 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:29,120 Speaker 5: if you can also kind of flip it on its 268 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 5: head and say, you know, say you're in a bad situation. 269 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 5: Your your wife was just diagnosed with breast cancer. And 270 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 5: it's not so much you know, gosh, you know what 271 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 5: am I going to ask AI? 272 00:16:40,600 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 2: Uh? 273 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 5: You just state your goals. You know, my wife is 274 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 5: how many years old? Just diagnosed with breast cancer? What 275 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 5: further information do you need? And my goal, of course 276 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:54,480 Speaker 5: is to get her the best care. 277 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:55,360 Speaker 2: Uh. 278 00:16:55,400 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 5: And and then AI can guide you in what information 279 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:05,120 Speaker 5: needs to be provided and guide you into what questions 280 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 5: to ask, and you get a lot further with that concept. 281 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,320 Speaker 5: I call it in the book flipping the script. 282 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 2: I agree, I totally agree. I think you have to 283 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 2: be a little bit concerned because a lot of AI 284 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 2: is still you know, what people put in and as 285 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:25,280 Speaker 2: long as the information that's coming out is accurate, that's wonderful. 286 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:28,360 Speaker 2: But you know what is the phrase garbage in garbage out? 287 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 2: I mean, you can you know AI is going to 288 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,440 Speaker 2: be getting better and better. It's here, We're going to 289 00:17:32,520 --> 00:17:35,159 Speaker 2: have to deal with it, whether we like it or not. 290 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,040 Speaker 2: It's like you know, when the automobile came off the 291 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:44,600 Speaker 2: assembly line in nineteen ten. No, there were people who thought, well, 292 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 2: these cars are never going to last. It's a passing fair. 293 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:49,800 Speaker 2: They'll never be able to outdo the horse and buggy. 294 00:17:49,880 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 2: Well we found that along the way that it's you 295 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 2: can stand in the way of progress, but oftentimes you 296 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,359 Speaker 2: get run over and we have to we have to 297 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 2: adapt to it. So you're book that is available is 298 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 2: Better Health with AI, which does stand for Artificial Intelligence, 299 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 2: but Better Health with AI Simple Steps to Real Results. 300 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 2: I think it's the type of book that a lot 301 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 2: of people should take advantage of. I assume Amazon is 302 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,000 Speaker 2: probably the best place they can get it. When is 303 00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 2: the book currently out now, Doctors? 304 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 5: It is it is currently out with an audio version 305 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 5: coming out in the next few days. 306 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 2: Excellent. Well, I have many listeners on my show who 307 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 2: are are blind and the hearing audio books. There's a 308 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 2: lot of people who will take advantage of that. Again, 309 00:18:42,840 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 2: the book Better Health with AI, Simple Steps to Real Results. 310 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 2: Doctor Campos, thank you very much for your for your time. 311 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 2: I really do appreciate that. At the end of a 312 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,200 Speaker 2: long day. You give us a few minutes. So thank 313 00:18:56,240 --> 00:18:57,600 Speaker 2: you very much and happy news. 314 00:18:57,680 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 4: It was a pleasure. 315 00:18:58,320 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 5: I really enjoyed it. Thank you. 316 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 2: Catch you doctor, Earle camp Ozzie kimp Azzie. We will 317 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 2: be back with Maggie Penman. She's a Washington Post reporter. 318 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,440 Speaker 2: And again this deals with kind of there's a little 319 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,720 Speaker 2: bit of a theme to this tonight. Why you should 320 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 2: put down your phone in daydream instead. Remember your elementary 321 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:22,880 Speaker 2: school teacher always said, oh, you're a daydreamer. You'll never 322 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 2: be successful, you can't daydream. Daydreaming actually, according to Maggie Penman, 323 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,239 Speaker 2: is a positive and could be good for you. I 324 00:19:30,280 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 2: think we all need to daydream a little bit. We're 325 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 2: coming back on night Side right after we hear the 326 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,960 Speaker 2: latest in the news, bad news out of Iran, many 327 00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,880 Speaker 2: more people killed than we had expected. We might talk. 328 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 2: We tried to talk about that last night. We might 329 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: get back to that later tonight as well. Dan Ray 330 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 2: on nightside. Rob Brooks is alongside. He'll start taking phone 331 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 2: calls at nine o'clock, so stay off the phones until 332 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,879 Speaker 2: nine and we'll be back right after the news at 333 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 2: the bottom of the hour. 334 00:19:56,520 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 1: You're on the night Side with Dan Ray on w Beazy, 335 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,239 Speaker 1: Boston's news radio. 336 00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 2: I thank you very much. Ben Parker. Delighted to welcome 337 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 2: Maggie Penman. She works for what we call him the 338 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 2: Business The Walpole Washington Post reporter Maggie. Welcome and happy 339 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:15,639 Speaker 2: New Year. How are you tonight? 340 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 6: Happy New Year? Thanks so much for having me. 341 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:22,640 Speaker 2: You have written a piece why you should put down 342 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 2: your phone and daydream instead. Three science backed reasons to 343 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:29,880 Speaker 2: put down your phone and daydream instead. O. Look, all 344 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 2: of my teachers in elementary school would come around and 345 00:20:32,640 --> 00:20:37,439 Speaker 2: tell me stop daydreaming and you know, study, get to work. 346 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 2: Were they wrong? 347 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 6: They were totally wrong. So I was also one of 348 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 6: those kids who was like looking out the window thinking about, 349 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,200 Speaker 6: you know, whatever I was going to have for lunch 350 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:53,800 Speaker 6: that day. But actually, what science has found is that 351 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 6: many of us daydream way more than we might think. 352 00:20:56,960 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 6: It's actually about like half of our waking hours that 353 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:02,480 Speaker 6: were thinking about something other than what we're doing. And 354 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 6: it's actually really good for us. It's something we've evolved 355 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:07,679 Speaker 6: to do with humans because it helps us problem solve, 356 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,840 Speaker 6: be more creative, and even connect to people more. 357 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 2: Okay, it's daydreaming that something everybody should do, you know, 358 00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 2: within reason, whether you're you're nine years old in the 359 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,679 Speaker 2: fourth grade, or perhaps approaching ninety. 360 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 6: Yeah, so I think this is kind of something that 361 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 6: a lot of us are afraid to do. And part 362 00:21:28,760 --> 00:21:31,160 Speaker 6: of it, I think is because we many of us, 363 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 6: maybe not the nine year olds, but many of us 364 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:36,480 Speaker 6: have a phone in our pocket, and so that temptation 365 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 6: to distract ourselves is always there, and humans are just 366 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 6: naturally afraid of being bored. There was an amazing study 367 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,920 Speaker 6: a little over ten years ago where people were asked 368 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 6: to sit alone in a room and they chose to 369 00:21:49,720 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 6: shock themselves rather than just be alone with their thoughts. 370 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, therotically you wrote about that. I read that and 371 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 2: I looked to myself, that's really weird. 372 00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 6: Beorn Well, I got to tell. 373 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 2: You that struck me. I spent two hours today sitting 374 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,760 Speaker 2: in a dentist chair. So I mean there were moments 375 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:14,879 Speaker 2: this morning when saint yeah, well, I was alone in 376 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 2: the room. But it just seems to me that time 377 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 2: alone is such a precious commodity when you can just 378 00:22:25,880 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 2: sort of veg out. Earlier this hour, we spoke with 379 00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:35,320 Speaker 2: a woman who wrote a book dealing with pausing for 380 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 2: ninety seconds during the day. The idea of us ninety 381 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: seconds to calm yourself, reset and reconnect. That kind of 382 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 2: is similar to what we're talking about here. How do 383 00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 2: we get a license to day dream? 384 00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:51,600 Speaker 6: I mean, it's a really good question. 385 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 2: Yeah. 386 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 6: Well, and so researchers have looked at this, and they've 387 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,360 Speaker 6: actually looked at what helps people get started. And one 388 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,639 Speaker 6: of the things that Erin west Gate found, she's a 389 00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,600 Speaker 6: professor of psychology at the University of Florida, and she 390 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 6: found that even just making a list. It sounds so silly, 391 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 6: but like, ahead of time in the morning, make yourself 392 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 6: a little list of the things you want to think 393 00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 6: about whenever you have free time, just kind of give 394 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 6: yourself a little scaffolding and a head start on what 395 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,560 Speaker 6: you want to think about. And then when you are, 396 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 6: you know, in that dentist chair waiting for the dentist 397 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 6: to come back, you're like, oh, yeah, I wanted to 398 00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,280 Speaker 6: daydream about this vacation I'm going to take this summer 399 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,439 Speaker 6: with my family, And it just puts you in that 400 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 6: headspace to have a really pleasant, lovely daydream. 401 00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 2: And I could daydream about how the Patriots are going 402 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 2: to win the super Bowl. 403 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 6: I mean exactly, that is absolutely going to happen. 404 00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 2: What got you onto this topic? I know that there's 405 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:49,679 Speaker 2: always a reporter comes up with a topic. What dore 406 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: your attention to this? 407 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 6: So in this case, actually it was my boss who 408 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 6: asked me to write about this. She will fall up 409 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 6: daydreaming and I think it's great. So would you look 410 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 6: into the reasons why it's good for us? And that 411 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 6: to me feels like license for me to day dream 412 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,199 Speaker 6: at work because my boss said it was okay, So 413 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,399 Speaker 6: I think you know that that kind of gives me 414 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:15,680 Speaker 6: a little bit of a permission. 415 00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 2: Well, what was interesting to me was that your your 416 00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 2: article breaks it down and one thing that you found 417 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 2: was that people will probably enjoy it more than they 418 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: realize that there's a positive because daydreaming might help you 419 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:36,280 Speaker 2: solve some problems and actually might make you feel closer 420 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 2: to people. So how does it potentially make you feel? 421 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 2: I can see how if all of a sudden you're 422 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,600 Speaker 2: daydreaming about a problem. What am I going to do here? 423 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,280 Speaker 2: I got to get this fixed or or or or 424 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 2: maybe you know, think about I don't know, you know 425 00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,840 Speaker 2: something that's positive? How does it bring you closer? To 426 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 2: people because your daydreaming alone. 427 00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, So this was actually a really interesting study 428 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,240 Speaker 6: out of the UK, and the researchers did something a 429 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 6: little bit mean, which is they manipulated the participants to 430 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,840 Speaker 6: make them feel lonely. They had them pick up a 431 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 6: survey and they basically gave them false scores and said, yeah, 432 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,520 Speaker 6: you're really lonely. And so they made these people feel 433 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,479 Speaker 6: really bad. And then they had them daydream and they 434 00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:24,439 Speaker 6: were either assigned to daydream about something positive but not social, 435 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 6: so like you get a good grade or you get 436 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:29,600 Speaker 6: a promotion or whatever. And then some of the participants 437 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 6: were assigned to daydream about someone they love, and those 438 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,880 Speaker 6: people actually felt more connected to the person they thought 439 00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 6: about and less lonely after that daydream. So there's some 440 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:45,040 Speaker 6: evidence that we actually do feel closer to people after 441 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:47,720 Speaker 6: daydreaming about them, and maybe absence really does make the 442 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 6: heart grow fonder in that case. 443 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:54,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's some interesting results here. The big problem is 444 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:59,440 Speaker 2: that when any of us have some time, you're at 445 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 2: home and the phone isn't ringing crazy and you haven't 446 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: turned on the TV, what did most of us do 447 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 2: We reach for our cell phone. I know one of 448 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 2: the first things that I reach for in the morning 449 00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 2: when I get up, and I as a talk show host, 450 00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 2: I want to know if any part of the world 451 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,680 Speaker 2: blew up overnight. I want to know if I had 452 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 2: any phone calls. How do you suppress that instinct or 453 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,400 Speaker 2: is there a way to suppress that instinct that and say, 454 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,920 Speaker 2: you know what, it's early, I'm just going to lie 455 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 2: here in bed for an extra ninety seconds in daydream, 456 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,320 Speaker 2: or an extra five minutes and daydream. How do you 457 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 2: do that? You know positive intellectually. 458 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,640 Speaker 6: You know it's really hard. So you're not alone if 459 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 6: you struggle with this, and I definitely struggle with this too. 460 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 6: One of the researchers that I spoke with told me 461 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,920 Speaker 6: that after doing these studies, she felt like, Okay, I'm 462 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 6: a real hypocrite if I'm waiting for the bus and 463 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 6: I'm picking my phone out. So she decided she was 464 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 6: going to start just letting herself daydream or mind wander 465 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 6: whenever she had a few minutes, and she really felt 466 00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:11,959 Speaker 6: refreshed after making this change. So it's not easy. We 467 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 6: all have to resist that temptation to reach for our phone, 468 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 6: But there is a lot of evidence that daydreaming is 469 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,960 Speaker 6: good for us, and it makes us feel better. It 470 00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 6: makes us feel closer to the people we love. So 471 00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:26,439 Speaker 6: it's worth trying, even though it's hard. But you're not alone. 472 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:27,920 Speaker 6: I have the same temptation. 473 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 2: There's a Carl Lowry too. I think maybe I'm wrong here, 474 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,639 Speaker 2: so help me. One of the things I like to 475 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,640 Speaker 2: do is every once in a while during the day 476 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,359 Speaker 2: just take a ten minute what I call a power nap, snooze, 477 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 2: whatever you want to call it. Yeah, justice kind of 478 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:50,040 Speaker 2: clear your head, just think about nothing and allow your 479 00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 2: mind to drift. I guess that's a form of daydreaming. 480 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:58,880 Speaker 2: I'm not potentially daydreaming about doing something or being with 481 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 2: someone or just I just sort of like turn my 482 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 2: mind off and I can wake up. I can almost 483 00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:09,399 Speaker 2: do it intentionally and wake up in about ten or 484 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 2: twelve minutes, not any less time, not anymore time. Yeah. 485 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 2: Do you have that capacity or have you ever thought 486 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 2: about that? 487 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 6: Yeah? So I actually think again. There's a lot of 488 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 6: good research to support that, and a lot of researchers 489 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,920 Speaker 6: have found that it's sharpening your cognition and your memory. 490 00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 6: Just taking a really quick nap, and even like a 491 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,760 Speaker 6: ten minute nap can have a really profound effect on 492 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 6: your ability to focus feel restored. So I yeah, I 493 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 6: think that's great. And you're probably not going into a 494 00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 6: super deep sleep, which is why you're able to wake 495 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 6: yourself up, which is also good for not feeling super grocky, 496 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 6: which is the problem with taking a long nap in 497 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 6: the middle of. 498 00:28:51,280 --> 00:28:54,440 Speaker 2: The Daystely, Absolutely, the only time you don't want to 499 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 2: do that is when you're driving. That. I really enjoyed it. 500 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:03,040 Speaker 2: You have a great last name as a writer, Penman. 501 00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 2: You were literally born for this job. 502 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,720 Speaker 6: Yes, oh wow. 503 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:15,440 Speaker 2: Look, I really enjoyed the conversation. The reporters and the 504 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 2: writers at the Washington Post are always a great guest. 505 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,480 Speaker 2: And I hope we can have you back sometime soon. 506 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. 507 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 6: I hope so too. And I hope you have a 508 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 6: good day dream before I talk to you again. 509 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 2: I hope so many many to you as well. Okay, 510 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 2: thanks Maggie, Maggie Penman the Washington Post. You can read 511 00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 2: here stuff in the Washington Post. And we get back 512 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 2: when I talk to another Walpole Wallpole warpole reporter who 513 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:44,560 Speaker 2: talks about reversal. In a reversal, the US has now 514 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 2: loosened its guidance on alcohol. How much alcohol is too much? 515 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 2: US guidance shift fuels fresh debate. I think most of 516 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: us should be able to figure that out, and those 517 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 2: of us who can't figure out now probably are not 518 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,840 Speaker 2: going to rely upon government statistics. We'll talk to another 519 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 2: Washington Post reporter right after the break. 520 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 521 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 2: All right, next to join us from the Washington Post, 522 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:23,280 Speaker 2: David Avalier. David, I got that last name correctly. 523 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,720 Speaker 4: I hope you nailed it. Good job. 524 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 2: Okay, well, thank you very much. You have written a 525 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,560 Speaker 2: story about how much alcohol is too much and US 526 00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:39,560 Speaker 2: guidance shift fuels fresh debate. There is a shift. Let's 527 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 2: talk about the shift, and then my question is going 528 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 2: to be how much do we need to be told 529 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 2: by Big Daddy or Big Mama government about how much 530 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:53,160 Speaker 2: to drink? And when let's explain to us the shift. 531 00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,880 Speaker 2: It's a it's a subtle shift, but it's a shift. Nonetheless. 532 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so. For the longest time, the federal governments limits, 533 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 4: or say their their recommendations were drinking moderation, and that 534 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 4: moderation was two drinks per day for men and one 535 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 4: drink for women. And then of course if you look 536 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 4: at the actual like guidelines, you know, it's kind of 537 00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:25,080 Speaker 4: like got a lot of information on it, like backup information. 538 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,719 Speaker 4: So it tells you about some of the ricks risks 539 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 4: of alcohol, like certain types of cancer of course, like 540 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:34,360 Speaker 4: liver and heart disease, and you know all these other 541 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:36,760 Speaker 4: kind of things that we we kind of know about, 542 00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:38,760 Speaker 4: but it kind of goes into a little bit more detail. 543 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 4: So it's kind of like a big fact sheet and 544 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 4: it's part of the bigger dietary guidelines that could put 545 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 4: that could kind of revise every five years. So what 546 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 4: the shift was is basically pared down to just a 547 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 4: couple of paragraphs, and it basically just said, you know, 548 00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 4: limit alcohol for better health. So that didn't really like 549 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,880 Speaker 4: establish any kind of any more specifick information. So it 550 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 4: wasn't like, hey, go go party it up or anything 551 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 4: like that. But but but it just was sort of 552 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 4: like a kind of a general general, you know, disclaimer 553 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 4: kind of thing. So you know, I think I think 554 00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 4: it kind of comes at an interesting time for not 555 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 4: just alcohol alcohol industry, but also just people drinking in general. 556 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:27,600 Speaker 4: They don't not drinking as much. I think people are 557 00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 4: more aware of the dangers of alcohol, and certainly it's 558 00:32:31,640 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 4: not anything like you know, decades ago when alcohol consumption 559 00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 4: was way higher. So it's an interesting pivot point, and 560 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 4: I think I think it kind of comes, of course, 561 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,520 Speaker 4: with this broad changes in health policy that we're seeing 562 00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 4: across the board, right. 563 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,480 Speaker 2: And I know that it's kind of a mixed bag 564 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:52,520 Speaker 2: with some of the changes, and different people have some 565 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:57,320 Speaker 2: positive reactions to it, some have universally negative reactions. But 566 00:32:57,400 --> 00:33:00,840 Speaker 2: I guess what's coming down to is that sometimes I 567 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 2: believe that simpler is better. And I remember, you know, 568 00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 2: my parents and probably your parents said to you, Hey, 569 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 2: you got to make decisions for yourself. But remember you know, 570 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 2: as a general rule, everything in moderation. I mean, I 571 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,320 Speaker 2: love ice cream. I could eat like three gallons of 572 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 2: ice cream a day. I'd weigh five hundred pounds. But 573 00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:29,480 Speaker 2: you have to be smart. And sometimes my feeling is 574 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:32,280 Speaker 2: that the government doesn't realize how smart people are. Now. 575 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 2: There were some people who are not going to pay 576 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:37,400 Speaker 2: attention to any guidelines, and there were people who when 577 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: the when the when the Surgeon General's guidelines on tobacco 578 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 2: came out in nineteen sixty four, which caused my dad 579 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 2: who was a two pack a day unfiltered camel smoker 580 00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 2: from the time that he was in the US Army 581 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 2: in World War Two. He stopped that day cold Turkey. 582 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 2: But you know, there were a lot of people who couldn't, 583 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 2: and there are a lot of people who who dismissed 584 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:08,520 Speaker 2: what the Surgeon General's reports said. So, I don't know 585 00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 2: there's something about the government telling me what to eat, 586 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 2: how to how often to eat it. I'm not dumb, 587 00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:17,759 Speaker 2: and I don't think most people are dumb? Am I 588 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 2: way off base? Do you think with that sort of perspective, Tony? 589 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 4: Well, I think I think uh no, I think that 590 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,840 Speaker 4: at least, you know, I think most public health experts 591 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:34,719 Speaker 4: who kind of work in this in this field, they 592 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 4: recognize that these are just guidelines and people aren't aren't 593 00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 4: going to always follow them, and certainly most people might 594 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,719 Speaker 4: not even realize they exist. But what they're sort of 595 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,160 Speaker 4: like other other sort of downstream effects of it. So 596 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 4: for one, it just kind of gives people like a 597 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 4: general starting point of risk, right, you know, so like 598 00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 4: your doctor can come to you and say, listen, you know, 599 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 4: the CDC or whatever, I'm sorry, the USDA says, you know, 600 00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 4: two drinks a day is you know, moderation, so you 601 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 4: really probably should cut back. But without that, then there's 602 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,799 Speaker 4: not really a starting point for for your health professional 603 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 4: and to say like, hey, you know, you really shouldn't 604 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,440 Speaker 4: you know, do this now. I know it's it's you know, 605 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 4: nowadays we all kind of know the risks of alcohol. 606 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,040 Speaker 4: But I think it just kind of serves as like 607 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,520 Speaker 4: a baseline. There's also some other things like a lot 608 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 4: of studies and and different kind of academic research and 609 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,719 Speaker 4: medical research. You know, they use that as sort of 610 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,799 Speaker 4: a bench a benchmark, and I'm not sure that that 611 00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,080 Speaker 4: will change uh much either, but certainly just kind of 612 00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 4: muddles things up. Now do you raise an interesting point? 613 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,080 Speaker 4: You know, but people kind of have some friction against 614 00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:47,839 Speaker 4: people telling them what to eat and what to do. 615 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 4: You know, we've seen a lot of that with this 616 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 4: particular health secretary, right, you know, I mean there's a 617 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,240 Speaker 4: lot of you know, you know, no soda is bad 618 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 4: and you know, sweets are bad. Processed food is bad. 619 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 4: Get get you know, get the dies out of my 620 00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,360 Speaker 4: cereal kind of thing. So I think it struck a 621 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 4: lot of people as as kind of mixed messaging where 622 00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 4: it's like you're telling everyone else what to do when 623 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,320 Speaker 4: it comes to you know, sweets and candy and junk food. 624 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,720 Speaker 4: But you know, but but you're doing the opposite with alcohol. 625 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,759 Speaker 4: So there's an even alcohol industry will tell you like, 626 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 4: you know, they'll tell you like, yeah, we thought it 627 00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 4: could be worse, you know, we thought we thought they 628 00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 4: were going to like crack down and make it stricter. 629 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 4: So I think there's there's kind of a lot of, 630 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 4: like many things with this administration, there's kind of some 631 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:35,720 Speaker 4: conflicting messaging going on. But I mean, as far that's 632 00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,840 Speaker 4: also just always always the case with the government. 633 00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think it's kind of a mixed bag. 634 00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 2: I mean some of the things when they advise people 635 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:49,880 Speaker 2: to limit you know, shots for children, that really worries me. 636 00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,760 Speaker 2: I want to talk to my doctor when my children 637 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 2: are older now, obviously, but when they were you know, 638 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,239 Speaker 2: three or two and three and four years old, I 639 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,120 Speaker 2: was relying upon my doctor because I felt that that 640 00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,799 Speaker 2: was the person I am most confidence in. So some 641 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,759 Speaker 2: of that, I'm happy when they say, you know, get 642 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 2: rid of the sugary drinks. To be really honest with you, 643 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 2: I got myself off of diet. 644 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,319 Speaker 4: Pe Well, I got myself alcohol drink too, you know. 645 00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:22,520 Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely no question about it. I mean when you 646 00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 2: when you wake up at two in the morning, you 647 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,320 Speaker 2: can't go back to sleep, that is, you know, because 648 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 2: of the sugar content of alcohol, of beer, whatever, wine, 649 00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,239 Speaker 2: whatever you're drinking. But what I'm saying is I came 650 00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,359 Speaker 2: upon the realization I was a big pepsi drinker and 651 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 2: forty one carbs. It was at the time I began 652 00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 2: a weight loss program, and I said, I don't need, 653 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 2: you know, to two pepsis at lunchtime with forty one 654 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:50,279 Speaker 2: carbs and light dawns on marblehead as we say up 655 00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 2: here in Massachusetts, said, you know, I hope that people 656 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:57,719 Speaker 2: can take all of this information we provided in this 657 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 2: in this hour of our program five nights it's a week. 658 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:03,520 Speaker 2: And again, folks like you who are reporters and are 659 00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:06,279 Speaker 2: doing this full time, David uh, we should all be 660 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:10,120 Speaker 2: indebted to to what you do and and and get 661 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,240 Speaker 2: this information out there, as confusing as it is on occasion. 662 00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:16,520 Speaker 2: Thank you. 663 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 4: I appreciate that. And we we try our best. And 664 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:21,000 Speaker 4: I think it's an interesting time to to certainly be 665 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,920 Speaker 4: in journalism covering public health. I think the the the 666 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:30,520 Speaker 4: splintering of messaging is really interesting because now you're seeing 667 00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 4: it kind of resonate a lot with states, where states 668 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 4: are really taking the lead in how they approach public 669 00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 4: health because the federal government has decided they don't want to. 670 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 4: They don't want to, you know, be as as as 671 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:45,320 Speaker 4: strict as maybe before. 672 00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:50,280 Speaker 2: So time totally. Hey David o'valley, thank you so much. 673 00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,960 Speaker 2: Washington Post Reporter. The article how much alcohol is too much? 674 00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 2: US guidance shifts shift fuels fresh debate. Thanks David, hope 675 00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 2: to have you back soon. You're very welcome. Happy New Year. 676 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:04,879 Speaker 2: When we get back, we're going to be spot We're 677 00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 2: going to be speaking with William Martin, author of December 678 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 2: forty one, a World War II thriller. He's a historical novelist, 679 00:39:12,920 --> 00:39:15,359 Speaker 2: the best in the business, and we will have him 680 00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 2: for you within about six or seven minutes. Stay with 681 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,040 Speaker 2: us here at night Side