Speaker 1: Now your host Ken Brew on news radio seven hundred
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Speaker 2: I believe Moe Egger is with them as well, so
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Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW. What a week it's been. Riots in Minneapolis.
Speaker 2: The United States still wants to go after Greenland. Of course,
Speaker 2: we have the Venezuela blockade, and somehow, some way that
Speaker 2: country is functioning after its president has been absconded and
Speaker 2: brought back to the United States. Iran is rearing its
Speaker 2: ugly head again, and of course it never goes away.
Speaker 2: In Israel and the Gaza strip. Oh, and by the way,
Speaker 2: Putin and Zelensky and Russia and the Ukraine. So there's
Speaker 2: a lot percolating around this world right now. And when
Speaker 2: a lot starts to percolate around this world, I'd like
Speaker 2: to talk to one person, and one person only. You know,
Speaker 2: there's a hot rumor going around that if the United
Speaker 2: States somehow, some way makes Greenland the fifty first state
Speaker 2: of the United States, there's a hot rumor going around,
Speaker 2: a rumor, of course, which I started, that the governor
Speaker 2: of the great state, the fifty first state of Greenland
Speaker 2: is going to be my next guest, and he, of
Speaker 2: course is the great politician in waiting, and perhaps someday,
Speaker 2: someday soon may come back. Who knows. Jim Ridece standing
Speaker 2: by to join us, and Jim, how are you on
Speaker 2: this glorious Saturday.
Speaker 3: Well, I am good, Ken. How about yourself?
Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Now. There's a hot rumor going around
Speaker 2: that when the President annexes ice Greenland, I'm sorry to
Speaker 2: be our fifty first state, that you will be tapped
Speaker 2: to be the governor of Greenland. Is there any truth
Speaker 2: to this rumor?
Speaker 4: Jim?
Speaker 3: Well, Ken, there is absolutely no truth, Because I like
Speaker 3: to get away from the cold.
Speaker 2: I do call yeah if you like. If you like cold,
Speaker 2: you don't have to go to Greenland. You stay in
Speaker 2: Ohio for January and February. Look, there's a lot that
Speaker 2: a lot of saber rattling here. I think Trump has
Speaker 2: three options. He can invade Greenland and take it. He
Speaker 2: can buy Greenland, much like we did with Alaska all
Speaker 2: those years ago. Or he could work with Greenland to
Speaker 2: try and get what he really wants. What I think
Speaker 2: is a stronger base there from a military standpoint, and
Speaker 2: the middle roles that are indigenous to Greenland. I think
Speaker 2: that's probably the option that's at play here. I think
Speaker 2: Trump wants to rattle the sort a little bit and
Speaker 2: get everybody on their toes and in the end get
Speaker 2: his best deal. Am I reading this situation wrong?
Speaker 3: Well, when it comes to President Trumps, you're probably reading
Speaker 3: it properly. I just in some ways I'm not sure
Speaker 3: if he needs to rattle the sorts as much as
Speaker 3: he is. I mean, we already control the airspace in Greenland.
Speaker 3: We already have the only military base in Greenland. We
Speaker 3: already have an agreement with NATO that says we will
Speaker 3: always work and protect Greenland and they will work with us.
Speaker 3: So right now we have all of that. Would it
Speaker 3: be great to own or control or have Greenland's part
Speaker 3: of the United States for security interests, Sure, but it'd
Speaker 3: probably be good to have Mexico and South America and
Speaker 3: Canada and everybody else too. But they don't want to come,
Speaker 3: and we shouldn't push them if they don't.
Speaker 2: Trump is thinking too small. Here is what you're saying.
Speaker 2: It shouldn't it shouldn't just be agreeing with it. But
Speaker 2: what I what I find interesting about about all of this,
Speaker 2: and again I sometimes I'm too much of a conspiracy theorist,
Speaker 2: but I think he's trying to keep NATO on its toes.
Speaker 2: I think this is a direct message to China, and
Speaker 2: I think in the end he's going to get what
Speaker 2: he wants. But it sure was funny this week to
Speaker 2: see all of these European nations decide they're going to
Speaker 2: send their troops, their aircraft or whatever to to Greenland
Speaker 2: for some exercises. He got everybody's attention, which I think
Speaker 2: might have been part of his game too.
Speaker 3: Well, of course, But look, one thing I don't understand
Speaker 3: about President Trump, But again I do know he has
Speaker 3: a unique way of doing things. It's kind of tough
Speaker 3: when you're rattling the savors of your friends, because when
Speaker 3: your friends become your enemies, you have more problems. So
Speaker 3: sometimes I just wish he would do things a little different,
Speaker 3: be a little bit more diplomatic. I know he's not
Speaker 3: a politician. That's good, but yeah, I always get concerned
Speaker 3: the way we kind of rattle things up, especially when
Speaker 3: they're your friends.
Speaker 2: I don't and I'm torn here because I don't know
Speaker 2: if he knows there's a line he can walk to
Speaker 2: and then that's it. It's it's it's not going to happen,
Speaker 2: much as his rhetoric now is with Iran. You know,
Speaker 2: he again he's got an aircraft carrier in that part
Speaker 2: of the world, and it sounds like there could be
Speaker 2: something done if that country and that particular dictatorship continues
Speaker 2: to do what he does. I'm not sure if he
Speaker 2: knows that there's a line there that he can't cross,
Speaker 2: or there's some people, somebodies pulling him back and in
Speaker 2: his ear saying you know, you really can't do that.
Speaker 2: It's not a good idea. I wonder if he just
Speaker 2: has the right people in his ear around him right now.
Speaker 2: And I know as subjective thinking and it's just conjecture,
Speaker 2: but do you think he does.
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 3: I've said this all along. In his first presidency, he
Speaker 3: had a lot of good people around him, and they
Speaker 3: would question what he was doing. They would tell him, hey,
Speaker 3: you really can't do that. He would fire some of
Speaker 3: those people because he didn't like their answers. But now
Speaker 3: he has people around him who will not question anything
Speaker 3: he's doing. I think he has a weaker group of
Speaker 3: people around him, and I think that's part of the problem.
Speaker 3: You know, Ken always said, my success and many success
Speaker 3: of many people is because you have good, strong people
Speaker 3: around you. I'm afraid the president does not have that
Speaker 3: around him today. So he actually moves much further toward
Speaker 3: that line that you're talking about than he would have
Speaker 3: in the past. He does have presidential immunity now that
Speaker 3: the Supreme Court has given him that, which is kind
Speaker 3: of trusting because that means he's given you know, it's
Speaker 3: another topic, but again he's given President Clint presidential amusity too,
Speaker 3: and a lot of things that they're going after him
Speaker 3: for as well. So I think that my biggest concern
Speaker 3: is that line you're talking about, there's going to come
Speaker 3: a time where somebody's going to punch back when he
Speaker 3: crosses that line. And that's what I fear more than anything.
Speaker 2: Well, we seem to have our nose in a lot
Speaker 2: of different places. Iran now apparently is the is the
Speaker 2: latest we've been to Venezuela. We apparently now have taken
Speaker 2: over Venezuela. China I think is lurking in the in
Speaker 2: the back. You know, there's a theory, Jim, that that
Speaker 2: China has a grand plan that what they want is
Speaker 2: the United States on a three pronged mission in different
Speaker 2: parts of the world, and then China can pounce on
Speaker 2: Taiwan and take Taiwan. I just think that there's just
Speaker 2: there's got to be a number, a definite number of
Speaker 2: the places you can be at one time time as
Speaker 2: the big brother, or it comes back and it gets
Speaker 2: the big brother. And it sounds like that's what you
Speaker 2: meant when you just answered that last question. Is that
Speaker 2: what you mean?
Speaker 3: Sure? And you got Russia out looking at some things too,
Speaker 3: you got China looking at some things. I mean, this
Speaker 3: is all problematic. And then you got a real hotbed
Speaker 3: in the Middle East where you have. You know, all
Speaker 3: these warships sitting around, and that's a hotbed in the
Speaker 3: sense that you start to go into one of those
Speaker 3: countries and you could cause a whole bunch of backlash
Speaker 3: between all the countries around you. So and then you
Speaker 3: really have a mess over there as well.
Speaker 6: But I would agree with you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, China's looking at all this and say, hey, keep
Speaker 3: doing what you're doing. We're going to get Taiwan. We're
Speaker 3: going to you know, you almost wonder if they're not
Speaker 3: driving the train it's causing some of this to happen.
Speaker 3: That's going on with President.
Speaker 2: Trump twenty ten. You're in Congress and you were your party,
Speaker 2: the Republican Party was not the party in power. It
Speaker 2: was during Obama's first administration. I'm just wondering, now, if
Speaker 2: you placed yourself in Washington, d C. The last place
Speaker 2: on Earth it sounds like you want to be, But
Speaker 2: if you placed yourself there in the minority, if you
Speaker 2: were a Democrat, for example, in Washington, d C. And
Speaker 2: all of this is going on, it has to be
Speaker 2: driving you crazy because you have very little input at
Speaker 2: all on any of this. So I'm just wondering, how
Speaker 2: do you think this factors into what the Democrats and
Speaker 2: their strategy will be going forward with all of these
Speaker 2: international incidents that they seem to have no ability to
Speaker 2: get involved with.
Speaker 3: Well, look, if I was advising the Democrats, and I'm not,
Speaker 3: but if I was, I would tell them, I would say,
Speaker 3: just let President Trump continue to do what he's doing.
Speaker 3: Let him continue to make the decisions he's making, because
Speaker 3: the American people, I mean, there's a pole out today.
Speaker 3: Now I know it's CNN, and people say, oh, it's CNN,
Speaker 3: but sixty percent are saying that Trump's first.
Speaker 2: Year was a failure.
Speaker 3: And you know that's a problem. So let's, you know, again,
Speaker 3: let him just continue to Now the problem with the
Speaker 3: Democrats is they can't keep their mouths shut either, and
Speaker 3: they cause themselves their own problems.
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you're right, and it's the same. It's I mean,
Speaker 2: either side, it's the usual suspects you see on the
Speaker 2: cable shows every night. It's the same people running to
Speaker 2: the television lights. Jimmer and ac our guests. All right,
Speaker 2: we got a situation in Minnesota that is again reaching
Speaker 2: new boiling points every day. Leaving aside the fact that
Speaker 2: an ICE agent, some say in self defense it would
Speaker 2: appear to be that he was in some sort of jeopardy,
Speaker 2: fired his gun and killed a woman who was an
Speaker 2: agitator behind the wheel of a car. Leave the incident
Speaker 2: to the side, just per second. There is a real case,
Speaker 2: I think for Trump invoking the Insurrection Act. You know,
Speaker 2: people will say, well, that's an act that goes back
Speaker 2: to the eighteen hundreds. Well, sure, but there's been thirty
Speaker 2: instances where Republican and Democrat presidents have invoked the Insurrection
Speaker 2: Act just to get calm on the streets and protect
Speaker 2: the innocent people whom I sure don't want that going
Speaker 2: on in their town. To protect them. If you were
Speaker 2: the president, knowing what has transpired there, would you invoke
Speaker 2: the Direction Act the Insurrection Act?
Speaker 3: Well, again, as president, I think the problem is he
Speaker 3: has no relationship with state, no relationship with the governor,
Speaker 3: no relationship with the with the mayor. So there is
Speaker 3: a real issue there which is driving up We'll drive
Speaker 3: up even more attention if he does use the Insurrection Act.
Speaker 3: But I do think we need we need to get
Speaker 3: the town under control, and I think the president should
Speaker 3: use whatever power he believes is necessary. But at the
Speaker 3: same time, he's got to be extremely careful because I
Speaker 3: think the way the incident occurred, and again, as you said, well,
Speaker 3: I think all the facts still have to come out,
Speaker 3: whether whether the individuals should have been shot not shot,
Speaker 3: and even if there was a use of deadly force
Speaker 3: because the individual believed he was being you know, could
Speaker 3: have been killed by the car. I wish that it
Speaker 3: would have just been handled in a way that we
Speaker 3: would have said, hey, look, this is a terrible incident.
Speaker 3: We're going to do a full review and make sure
Speaker 3: that what happened doesn't occur again. If not necessary, whatever, however,
Speaker 3: you have to explain it because if you use the
Speaker 3: insurrection in it, it could be multiple of those incidents.
Speaker 3: So we've just got to be careful. That's what I
Speaker 3: fear more than anything, that the flame it's already, but
Speaker 3: we use the insurrection and it explodes, and it explodes
Speaker 3: back in the face of the president, not in the
Speaker 3: face of the protesters. That's the problem that I fear.
Speaker 2: These are well funded and well organized protests. This isn't
Speaker 2: a bunch of people that just decided to come out
Speaker 2: of their homes and yell and scream in the streets
Speaker 2: in Minneapolis weather, which is not very good at this
Speaker 2: time of the year. These are well funded, well organized
Speaker 2: protests that are going on there in Minnesota. It strikes
Speaker 2: me a little bit about twenty twenty when we had
Speaker 2: the George Floyd riot that encapsulated Minnesota. Different circumstance, sure,
Speaker 2: but similar in the sense that it was an election year.
Speaker 2: This seems to be almost a left wing game plan
Speaker 2: is that when you've got an election coming up and
Speaker 2: you're not the party in power, let's just stir it
Speaker 2: up and show that this country is totally out of control,
Speaker 2: particularly under Donald Trump. I don't know if that's cynical,
Speaker 2: but it sure seems to be that's what the game
Speaker 2: plan is here at Jim, what do you think, Well,
Speaker 2: remember what I said earlier.
Speaker 3: If I was advising the Democrats, I would let the
Speaker 3: president continue to.
Speaker 6: Do what he's doing.
Speaker 3: I probably should have added, and I would have accelerated
Speaker 3: the problems that he could have in the November election.
Speaker 3: And I think that's probably right. That's exactly what they're doing.
Speaker 3: They believe this is a winning situation to him. They
Speaker 3: believe that the president has so if you look at polling,
Speaker 3: it does say that everybody wants criminals and illegals to
Speaker 3: be sent back, but it doesn't say in many cases,
Speaker 3: to do what the president's doing to get it done.
Speaker 3: So the polling shows, yes, we want it done, No,
Speaker 3: we don't like what you're doing with the president, seventy
Speaker 3: eight percent say that. So you know, again, these are
Speaker 3: the things that if you're a Democrat and you want
Speaker 3: to win in November, you just continue to flame these
Speaker 3: ones up or you know, people are not happy with's
Speaker 3: what the president is doing. But at the same time
Speaker 3: you've got to watch that you don't flame it up
Speaker 3: so much that people say, well, wait a minute, we
Speaker 3: don't like what you're doing either.
Speaker 2: The people that are going after it would seem are
Speaker 2: people that shouldn't be let loose in the country they
Speaker 2: came from. I mean, this whole thing with the Laotians
Speaker 2: that developed this week and what we know about people
Speaker 2: from South America and what they've come and done in
Speaker 2: this country and before they got it, they shouldn't be
Speaker 2: here in the first place. So I guess is the
Speaker 2: conundrum is, sure, you've got to be careful about how
Speaker 2: you go in and do this, but on the other hand,
Speaker 2: if you leave these people that are in this country
Speaker 2: that Joe Biden left in to do god knows what
Speaker 2: once they're here. I think that's that's his problem. He
Speaker 2: campaigned on getting these people out of here, and Jen,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, I want him out of here.
Speaker 2: I don't want these people that have done things in
Speaker 2: their own country that are important, abhor it and and
Speaker 2: illegal and criminal. I don't want them here either. But
Speaker 2: how do you go in and do that without getting
Speaker 2: what they're getting in Minneapolis right now, or what they'll
Speaker 2: get in Boston, or what they'll surely get in places
Speaker 2: like Chicago when they go in there and try and
Speaker 2: do it. I don't know how you thread that needle,
Speaker 2: do you well? It's difficult.
Speaker 3: And by the way, I think the polling and I
Speaker 3: would agree with you seventy five to eighty percent of
Speaker 3: the people one hundred percent agree with you. The people
Speaker 3: that came here illegally, the people that are dangerous, we
Speaker 3: want them out of here, We want them sent back.
Speaker 3: But I'm going to give you a story of an
Speaker 3: individual in Wayne County, Ohio, has been here for twenty
Speaker 3: eight years, came here from Laos at the age of
Speaker 3: three or four. I believe he knows nobody back in
Speaker 3: Laos now. But he did get married. He has four children.
Speaker 3: The four children are going right, He has a great job.
Speaker 3: He was a welder, and he got taken and sent
Speaker 3: back to Laos. And the question is how did he
Speaker 3: get pulled and taken back? And the reason was is
Speaker 3: because he had a felony. There was a gun at
Speaker 3: his girlfriend's house, not his current wife, his girlfriend's house
Speaker 3: twenty some years ago and he ended up with a
Speaker 3: low level felony. Well, they took him too, So I
Speaker 3: use that as an example of yes, we got to
Speaker 3: get that bad people out of here. But this guy
Speaker 3: who's contributing to the society has four children and a
Speaker 3: wife who now, by the way, will be on our
Speaker 3: medicaid system because she can't afford to maintain the kids
Speaker 3: and the house and everything here. And they know nobody
Speaker 3: back in LuSE. I mean, think about those situations, and
Speaker 3: those are the ones that we have to be very
Speaker 3: careful on.
Speaker 2: Those are the ones that if you're a Republican, those
Speaker 2: are the ones that the Democrats ad seize on. So
Speaker 2: you've got the political implications, let alone the fairness of
Speaker 2: what happened to the individual that you just cited by
Speaker 2: the way. We're getting a lot of feedback here, Jim.
Speaker 2: During this interview about Jim or Acy, governor of Greenland.
Speaker 2: I think there could be a grassroots movement building here, Jim.
Speaker 2: We might have started something here. Can you confirm or
Speaker 2: deny that you've already got a campaign in place that
Speaker 2: there you've hired people for this? Is this true?
Speaker 3: Well, maybe that's the people that want to get rid
Speaker 3: of the can. That's all the people that are afraid
Speaker 3: I'm going to run for gallaner of Ohio and afraid
Speaker 3: I'm going to run for something else.
Speaker 2: They want me here. Good, keep them on their toes,
Speaker 2: that's for sure. Good catching up with you, Jim. Stay well,
Speaker 2: you know we'll visit down the road. Thanks, thank you.
Speaker 3: We have a good tanks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you bet well. No purchase of Greenland yet and
Speaker 2: no insurrection clause invoked yet in what is still a
Speaker 2: tinder box in Minneapolis. Stand by, We're on top of
Speaker 2: all of it. On seven hundred w l W twelve
Speaker 2: thirty nine on this Saturday, after shortened version of the
Speaker 2: show coming up at one thirty, we go to fifth
Speaker 2: Third Arena, the number two team in the country, Iowa
Speaker 2: State in town to take on the UC Bearcats. In fact,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of college basketball that is uh circling
Speaker 2: the tri status we like to say, circling the try
Speaker 2: status we like to see. You know, I mentioned it
Speaker 2: was twelve thirty nine, but as you and I both know,
Speaker 2: it's five o'clock somewhere. It's one for you, one for me,
Speaker 2: It's one for the ages right there. They always give
Speaker 2: me the good stuff top again. Yes, yes, yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: I've just got time for one more round.
Speaker 2: Shut them up, my briend. Yeah, what happens after that?
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Speaker 2: You know what, you never hear people say? Sing that
Speaker 2: song again? Ken, I just saw Alan Jackson, who's not
Speaker 2: in good health and has not been for a while,
Speaker 2: is going to do his his final concert in Nashville.
Speaker 2: I believe it's July fourth weekend and it's an all
Speaker 2: star show, a lot of big country acts down there
Speaker 2: at the Nissan Stadium where the Tennessee Titans play, and
Speaker 2: it's sold out, hard sellout. Coming up top of the hour,
Speaker 2: Mason Cameron profootballfocus dot Com will break down the NFL
Speaker 2: weekend games, now down to four games, two today too. Tomorrow.
Speaker 2: Basketball this afternoon, Number twenty four, Tennessee at home against
Speaker 2: the UK Wildcats. About four and a half to go
Speaker 2: first half and Tennessee is up thirty eight to twenty two.
Speaker 2: Top of the hour we have. I think there are
Speaker 2: only three unbeaten teams in the country right now, one
Speaker 2: of which is the Miami RedHawks. They are eighteen in all,
Speaker 2: and Miami gets Buffalo today for a one o'clock tip
Speaker 2: at Molett and Travis Steele was talking just the other
Speaker 2: day about his team and why it's red hot.
Speaker 4: I don't even know how many games we've won in
Speaker 4: a row here at home, but we've got a great
Speaker 4: winning streak here at home. We obviously have a good
Speaker 4: record right now or off to a tremendous start, which
Speaker 4: is great for our university. The exposure that it's getting
Speaker 4: and the attension and then exposure and the attention that
Speaker 4: our men's basketball program and our players are getting. They
Speaker 4: deserve it. And listen, we got really good players, but
Speaker 4: they're better human beings and that's what I'm more proud
Speaker 4: of you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've won eleven straight at Molett this season, eighteen
Speaker 2: and er unbeaten, taking on Buffalo top of the hour.
Speaker 2: Up there we have Robert Morris against NKU tonight at seven.
Speaker 2: There's a matchup that drew some headlines this week for
Speaker 2: the wrong reasons. Robert Morris at NKU seven o'clock tip
Speaker 2: tonight over at Northern Kentucky University. And as I mentioned,
Speaker 2: you see tips off at one thirty today against I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: two o'clock today again number two Iowa State. Airtime is
Speaker 2: one thirty here on seven hundred at W well W.
Speaker 2: You know, the the fan base is a little split
Speaker 2: right now. To be kind on Wes Miller and whether
Speaker 2: or not he survives the rest of this season, I
Speaker 2: don't know. He could stand to win today against Iowa
Speaker 2: State on the heels of beating Colorado the other night.
Speaker 2: And it was at that Colorado game where let's just say,
Speaker 2: the fan base was a little restless. Ultimately it worked
Speaker 2: out for everybody. There was the win over the Buffaloes.
Speaker 2: But after the game, Midder was talking about just the
Speaker 2: whole situation. You know, you hear booze, you hear cheers,
Speaker 2: and anyway, here's Milber afterwards, there's so much support.
Speaker 7: That's what I focus on, you know, I think the
Speaker 7: guys feel support. I think they feel the cheers, and
Speaker 7: we're at a place where the expectations are really high,
Speaker 7: you know, because of what's happened here, you know, over
Speaker 7: such a long period of time. We all came here
Speaker 7: because of that. But to talk just about that takes
Speaker 7: away from all the people that there's almost ten thousand
Speaker 7: people there tonight and there's a lot of people cheering
Speaker 7: and support, and I think that's that's the part that
Speaker 7: I think we all appreciate.
Speaker 2: Well. Like I said, he could stand a win today.
Speaker 2: The second team in the country, Iowa State at Fifth
Speaker 2: Third Arena, and of course we have the four NFL
Speaker 2: games this weekend. Redsfest is at the Convention Center downtown
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Speaker 2: I am too, because if I work for somebody who
Speaker 2: was monitoring me and watching my every move and try
Speaker 2: to determine if I'm an effective employee, I'd probably freak
Speaker 2: out because what is enough what is not enough? Is
Speaker 2: enough something that is only going to get you to
Speaker 2: tomorrow or is it something else that gets you past
Speaker 2: tomorrow and into the future. I'm confused. How does all
Speaker 2: of this work?
Speaker 5: You know? I think surveillance doesn't create productivity, and I
Speaker 5: think that's the problem here. Trust and clarity and outcomes
Speaker 5: I think are what moves people. And technology is making
Speaker 5: monitoring easier, but I believe it easier doesn't mean smarter,
Speaker 5: and so I think employers have a really interesting line
Speaker 5: to be dancing right now, and I know if I
Speaker 5: was feeling watched like you said, instead of trusted, my
Speaker 5: performance might drop. Because anxiety is going to range a
Speaker 5: little bit. There's probably definitely going to be lower retention,
Speaker 5: especially among your high performers. And I don't know that
Speaker 5: I want to work for a person who has a
Speaker 5: culture of compliance instead of ownership. That's just not the
Speaker 5: world that we're living in anymore.
Speaker 2: I'm wondering, and you may not have an answer. I
Speaker 2: certainly don't, but I wonder if there are state by
Speaker 2: state laws that will have to be addressed if indeed
Speaker 2: an employer is doing this, because basically it's surveillance. In
Speaker 2: some of these states have very strict laws against surveillance,
Speaker 2: whether it be on the job or in personal life.
Speaker 2: I'm just wondering. Is there a legal hurdle that has
Speaker 2: to be crossed here?
Speaker 5: Well, I do think there is, and I think it's
Speaker 5: narrower though than some people think. So, you know, I
Speaker 5: feel like, you know, employees want to have the expectation
Speaker 5: of privacy at work, and they should expect privacy in
Speaker 5: their personal spaces and personal accounts, but honestly, they should
Speaker 5: expect limited privacy if you have an employer owned system.
Speaker 5: So the responsibility is on employers to try to clearly
Speaker 5: define that boundary. And I think that's where the confusion is,
Speaker 5: because confusion is what's creating fear about this, and so
Speaker 5: that's why policies matter, in oversights matter. But you have
Speaker 5: to be very very careful about how you're communicating this
Speaker 5: so you're not scaring your employees. Communication is team here.
Speaker 2: So the employee surveillance business, it's a cottage industry, but
Speaker 2: it's really exploded since COVID. Since Marts of twenty twenty one,
Speaker 2: a lot of people either chose to or were given
Speaker 2: the right to work at home, and of course a
Speaker 2: lot of companies, as you well know, have ended that
Speaker 2: they need employees back in the office. But nevertheless, if
Speaker 2: you're working at home, at least initially I found during COVID,
Speaker 2: there were ways that you could game the system. You'd
Speaker 2: move the mouse on your computer maybe every ninety seconds
Speaker 2: or so, or you made it look like you were
Speaker 2: doing something with keystrokes. But I think the technology now
Speaker 2: has gone past that, has it not. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: gotten better and employers can now figure out if you're
Speaker 2: just sitting there doodling or if indeed you are working,
Speaker 2: am I right about that?
Speaker 5: You are definitely right. There's AI and behavioral analytics that
Speaker 5: have hit the marketplace, and these emerging tools, they're analyzing
Speaker 5: patterns rather than single actions. So an example is AI
Speaker 5: can flag low engagement and then tell an employer there's
Speaker 5: risk behaviors happening. They can do predictive attrition or productivity scoring.
Speaker 5: And so now as an employer, I would say, this
Speaker 5: is giving me insight. I need to intervene, I need
Speaker 5: to coach here. But the concern for employee obviously is
Speaker 5: there's automated judgment like I'm a human, like something might
Speaker 5: have been going on. And so the AI race is
Speaker 5: also affecting these tools that employers can use to monitor
Speaker 5: their employees. And that monitoring, you know, from periodic screenshots
Speaker 5: to webcam activation indicators. It's real, and it's big, and
Speaker 5: it's almost on every single divid So.
Speaker 2: In essence, this surveillance equipment can take over whatever laptop
Speaker 2: or computer that you're using. It can take a screencap
Speaker 2: of what you're actually doing.
Speaker 5: Correct, that's correct. And there's also even location and network
Speaker 5: based tracking, so that can infer where the employee is
Speaker 5: based on their network connection because the Wi Fi based
Speaker 5: location has a detector. There's bad swipes, there's device proximity tools,
Speaker 5: and so there's really blurred boundaries for hybrid workers and
Speaker 5: people working at home. When employer thinks you're sitting at
Speaker 5: your home office that we've set up and they're actually
Speaker 5: taking call it starbuss, that's where that presence data and
Speaker 5: performance data metric gets really really blurry and really really murky.
Speaker 2: Wow. So you know, again, I suppose all of this
Speaker 2: is tied to money. You mentioned AI. You know, companies
Speaker 2: are sitting there and they're saying, ah, well, look at Joe.
Speaker 2: Joe scores real low. Does Joe do a job that
Speaker 2: AI might be able to replace? You know? The answer
Speaker 2: to every question in life, I think is money, And
Speaker 2: this is probably what this is all about. How can
Speaker 2: we save money with perhaps this AI product and not
Speaker 2: have to worry about this guy health benefits or whatever
Speaker 2: else we have to do to keep him here as
Speaker 2: an employee. It's AI really is at the root of
Speaker 2: all of this, is it not?
Speaker 5: Well, I think the technology line is that is that
Speaker 5: the crux of this And so when I am advising CEOs,
Speaker 5: right now I'm telling them things like, decide what you
Speaker 5: value first before you choose the tool, because if you
Speaker 5: value trust, then you're going to design your environment for trust.
Speaker 5: If you value outcomes, you're going to tend towards technology
Speaker 5: that measure that. And I think the culture of any
Speaker 5: place you work is showing up in what you track,
Speaker 5: So that's where the money is flowing. So whatever technology
Speaker 5: companies are using, that's a culture marker. It's also a
Speaker 5: leadership marker. But I do think it's money driven for sure,
Speaker 5: because what you're measuring is shaping the behavior. Though, and
Speaker 5: I think the better question, at least that I'm asking
Speaker 5: is how leaders use these tools, not whether or not
Speaker 5: they're going to exist, because they're just going to exist,
Speaker 5: so we have to figure out how to use them
Speaker 5: ethically and morally.
Speaker 2: I believe is this surveillance. Is it being used for
Speaker 2: people that are actually in the building and on the job?
Speaker 2: I mean with a large company. I'm not suggesting these
Speaker 2: companies do that, but a large company like IBM, for example,
Speaker 2: would they use it for on the job and remote?
Speaker 5: Oh? Absolutely? I mean you think about bad access blogs.
Speaker 5: There's smart cameras and sensors and offices. There's even desk
Speaker 5: occupancy tracking. So employers are bringing it like we're planning
Speaker 5: out our space for security. But you know, the concern
Speaker 5: is there's constant visibility. You're constantly being monitored, and I
Speaker 5: do think that that has some serious repercussions on mental
Speaker 5: health and burnout. If people think, oh, I am constantly,
Speaker 5: you know, being watched for what I'm doing. I'm not
Speaker 5: sure that productivity is going to rise to meet that.
Speaker 5: In fact, I think that's just going to cause a problem.
Speaker 2: So if you go on a job interview at a
Speaker 2: company and this company has this surveillance equipment, I would
Speaker 2: think the company would have to tell the perspective employee, Look,
Speaker 2: this is what we do. This is a business practice
Speaker 2: we have. It's not that we don't trust you, it's
Speaker 2: just that we do this so we can keep tabs
Speaker 2: and what our employers are doing. But I think I
Speaker 2: think the company's got to be upfront about this, right.
Speaker 5: Oh sure, And if I was an employee, I would
Speaker 5: be asking, Hi, what data's collected, who is seeing that data?
Speaker 5: How long are you storing this data? How will it
Speaker 5: be used in evaluation? That's where the transparency is going
Speaker 5: to come in and that's going to build safety and
Speaker 5: it is absolutely incumbent upon an employers say here is
Speaker 5: what we're doing, and we want you to know how
Speaker 5: we're using it. So both of those things have to
Speaker 5: be true. And as an employee you should advocate for
Speaker 5: yourself and as an employer you need to communicate with
Speaker 5: your people. It all comes down to communication.
Speaker 2: So is who is seeing this? I mean, if a
Speaker 2: company puts this in, is it is it like you know,
Speaker 2: Montgomery burn sitting in the corner suite and he's got
Speaker 2: these monitors in front of him and he's looking for
Speaker 2: somebody that's not working well and go get this guy
Speaker 2: excellent Smithers. You know, Is it like that or is
Speaker 2: does it go to some sort of monitoring system and
Speaker 2: then the monitoring system alerts the company, Hey, this is
Speaker 2: what's going on with with weekly or monthly reports. How
Speaker 2: does it work well?
Speaker 5: I think large companies that the information is being aggregated,
Speaker 5: so every company is choosing how they use it. Where
Speaker 5: I'm seeing most of it is if there's flags that
Speaker 5: rise up. So again, like an AI tool is analy
Speaker 5: analyzing a pattern, so if it sees over ten days,
Speaker 5: then an employee might get flagged. I am not seeing
Speaker 5: the constant monitoring, like every twenty four hours someone is
Speaker 5: looking at this data. It's more in aggregate. But I'm
Speaker 5: also seeing how this is compiled even quarterly for employee
Speaker 5: evaluation and so that you know, I do think so
Speaker 5: there's there's that process. Silence feels like spying to me.
Speaker 5: I'll just be honest. So I am just saying, please
Speaker 5: ask what is happening. What are you using? What kind
Speaker 5: of things are you using when you monitor me and
Speaker 5: when you're evaluating my performance? I think that's what the
Speaker 5: sensitivity is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so too. I think you've got
Speaker 2: you've got a temper. And Suzanne Castle is our guest.
Speaker 2: She's the author of the Sparkle Effect. Ten powerful concepts
Speaker 2: to awaken your brilliance. Don't you have to have brilliance
Speaker 2: to awaken it? What about the poor soul that's out
Speaker 2: there that has no brilliance? Where's your book for that person?
Speaker 2: Come on, Susanne, I.
Speaker 5: Did write that. I wrote that for everybody. I think
Speaker 5: we all need a little more brilliance in our day
Speaker 5: and to be reminded that we are brilliant. I think
Speaker 5: every human is brilliant in their own way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is this pretty much the wave of the future,
Speaker 2: because you know, the OG and me would say, like,
Speaker 2: if I had a company that did this, I'd run
Speaker 2: like hell from that company, But I might be running
Speaker 2: into the arms of another company that does the exact
Speaker 2: same thing. So I guess my question is it's here now.
Speaker 2: What is the percentage in your opinion, that are actually
Speaker 2: using this, the percentage of companies that are actually using this,
Speaker 2: and how prevalent do you think it will be. Let's
Speaker 2: just go five years out, let's go no farther than
Speaker 2: five years out. What do you think.
Speaker 5: I think already probably it's about eighty percent as companies
Speaker 5: are using them. So you know, I think what we're
Speaker 5: going to need to see within five years is you
Speaker 5: reference it earlier is guideline. We really need to understand
Speaker 5: that over regulations is definitely going to backfire here, so
Speaker 5: we need clear disclosure standards and consent rules that are
Speaker 5: going to protect both sides. But I do think within
Speaker 5: the next I would think eighteen months ninety percent, it's
Speaker 5: not one hundred percent, we'll have some kind of tool
Speaker 5: where they are making sure that the productivity that they're
Speaker 5: paying for is actually happening.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, the bottom line is the bottom line,
Speaker 2: and that's what companies want. And the stressors that are
Speaker 2: on these individual offices I don't think are going to
Speaker 2: go away. You answer to somebody, you answer to shareholders,
Speaker 2: or you answer to a board, or you just answered
Speaker 2: to the guy that owns the place. But I think
Speaker 2: it just is the way of the world and the
Speaker 2: way it's going, not necessarily the world I want to
Speaker 2: live in, Suzanne, But nevertheless, you fight it, you probably lose. Suzanne,
Speaker 2: how do people get a hold of you? Because you
Speaker 2: sound like you know what's going on in life, and
Speaker 2: there's not enough people like that on the face of
Speaker 2: the earth. How do people get a hold of you?
Speaker 5: You're so kind. I'm just going to direct people to
Speaker 5: my webs website because there's goodies and all kinds of
Speaker 5: information there. So it's Suzannecastle dot com.
Speaker 2: I was not going to think about your phone number.
Speaker 2: I'm glad to see the website. Worry about that. Hey, listen,
Speaker 2: this was fun. Hopefully we can do it again. But
Speaker 2: for your time today, thank you.
Speaker 5: I would love it. Thank you. Have a great day.
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Speaker 2: We have NFL playoff action and it is I guess
Speaker 2: a double hitter today. First up is Buffalo Denver. That'll
Speaker 2: be out at Denver, Denver fourteen to three, Buffalo twelve
Speaker 2: and five. And then immediately after that it is the
Speaker 2: forty nine Ers at the Seahawks. We'll see what kind
Speaker 2: of condition Sam Darnold has any had an oblique strain
Speaker 2: this week in practice. And then tomorrow it's the Texans
Speaker 2: at New England. I think that could be the game
Speaker 2: of the weekend. And following that up will be the
Speaker 2: Rams and the Bears in Chicago and what ought to
Speaker 2: be a very chilly Chili night in Chicago. Yeah, the
Speaker 2: high for Monday in Chicago is nine. So that ought
Speaker 2: to tell you what the temperature should look like when
Speaker 2: they kick that game off Tomorrow night at five point
Speaker 2: thirty leading into Sunday night into Monday morning. Anyway, stay
Speaker 2: tuned for all of that. All of these games, of course,
Speaker 2: are in and of themselves unique and interesting, and to
Speaker 2: help us break it down and to see who's favored
Speaker 2: and why and where the smart money should be laid,
Speaker 2: we bring in the guy who is the betting genius
Speaker 2: at Pro footballfocus dot com. I've said this many times.
Speaker 2: Pro Football Focus the website for analytical football, and Mason
Speaker 2: Cameron is the guy who is so charged with breaking
Speaker 2: all of these games down, and he joins us now
Speaker 2: here on seven hundred W wel W Mason. How are
Speaker 2: you on this glorious day, Dan.
Speaker 6: I'm doing good.
Speaker 8: I'm ready for another great round of football. Wild card
Speaker 8: weekend with excellent and the divisional round is shaping up
Speaker 8: to be good.
Speaker 2: Let's just take it from the top. First out of
Speaker 2: the shoot, which is four point thirty this afternoon, you
Speaker 2: got Buffalo and Denver. Buffalo Denver, Denver at home giving
Speaker 2: one I think the interesting thing in this game is
Speaker 2: the total forty five and a half. I am so
Speaker 2: tempted by the over on this simply because I look
Speaker 2: at both of these offenses, and even though Buffalo doesn't
Speaker 2: have any wide receivers, I still have a feeling that
Speaker 2: it's going to go over forty five and a half.
Speaker 8: What about you, Yeah, I mean there's a lot of
Speaker 8: potential there. We've seen a lot of, you know, explosive
Speaker 8: plays from both of these offense. The Broncos are a
Speaker 8: team that's sort of a slow starter and a late riser,
Speaker 8: so they really have a potential to take an over
Speaker 8: on pretty much any gin that they're playing. A part
Speaker 8: of the big concern there is definitely with the Bills, uh,
Speaker 8: just given.
Speaker 6: That the Broncos play a ton of man.
Speaker 8: Coverage right now, the Bills just don't really have the
Speaker 8: bodies that wide receiver to separate against sticky man coverages.
Speaker 8: Josh Allen dealing with that injury, So you know, it
Speaker 8: is one of those things where it's a little ebb
Speaker 8: and flow. But when we look at some of the
Speaker 8: model and what we're looking at, our projection is slightly
Speaker 8: higher about forty six point two points about a fifty
Speaker 8: one percent cover probability, and you know, we are seeing
Speaker 8: a lot of money coming in on that side, so
Speaker 8: you know there is a great possibility.
Speaker 6: On that for sure.
Speaker 8: One of the things that I'm interested to see in
Speaker 8: this game and one of the sides that I'm actually
Speaker 8: leaning on the Bronco side of this one, as the
Speaker 8: line has moved towards them in this game. You know,
Speaker 8: hostile environment. This Broncos teams third best cover rate at
Speaker 8: home since the start of last season, so I'm really
Speaker 8: excited to see what they can do in this matchup.
Speaker 2: Okay, late game today, you got San Francisco at Seattle.
Speaker 2: It's about seven. It's about Seattle minus seven. Although late
Speaker 2: in the week Sam Donold went out. He has an
Speaker 2: oblique injury, but apparently he's going to play through it.
Speaker 2: No George Kittle for San Francisco. I'm looking at your
Speaker 2: analysis in this game. The Seattle defense obviously is pretty
Speaker 2: damn good. I think you would you would have admit
Speaker 2: to that. I'm looking at San Francisco. They're a little
Speaker 2: more ball control than they have been in the years past.
Speaker 2: That will be even more so here without Kittle. They're
Speaker 2: going to rely on McCaffrey. I think a lot in
Speaker 2: this game is I mean, when they're healthy, they're good.
Speaker 2: But I'm looking at Seattle, I'm not sure that they're
Speaker 2: healthy healthy in this game. What what do you how
Speaker 2: do you look at this? Because this is a tough
Speaker 2: one for me.
Speaker 8: So one of the things that I'm targeting for this
Speaker 8: game is the under and it actually continues to come down.
Speaker 8: So it's better to get in on that one now
Speaker 8: as opposed to later on. You know, as the game
Speaker 8: cut time comes up, here.
Speaker 2: What are we I'm seeing forty five and a half
Speaker 2: right now? What are you saying?
Speaker 8: So I we have forty five in some spots it
Speaker 8: started to tie forty six and a half. I mean
Speaker 8: with the news of Sam Darnold, I think that we're
Speaker 8: going to see some potential for it to come down
Speaker 8: a little bit further. But really, I think the big
Speaker 8: thing is if we look at the last two games
Speaker 8: in the regular season between these two teams, they only
Speaker 8: total forty six points in both of them.
Speaker 6: That last game.
Speaker 8: You never want to over index on a single game.
Speaker 8: But when we talk about that last game, it was
Speaker 8: thirteen to three. That's a playoff environment that was to
Speaker 8: decide the number one seed.
Speaker 6: So that's it's going to be a lot of the.
Speaker 8: Tempo in the aggression that we see in that game.
Speaker 6: Mike McDonald's defense.
Speaker 8: I mean put on an absolute clinic in that game,
Speaker 8: only four point one yards per play allowed. They limited
Speaker 8: San Francisco to the lowest epa per play mark.
Speaker 6: Of their season. And now you're talking about no George
Speaker 6: Kittle in this game.
Speaker 8: I think that's a huge loss for them as not
Speaker 8: only a pass catcher, but a run blocker. I mean,
Speaker 8: he brings life to that running game, So that's going
Speaker 8: to be a big loss for them. We see a
Speaker 8: lot of their metrics in running drop when he's off
Speaker 8: the field, so I think that the under is probably
Speaker 8: a stronger play. I mean it comes into this Seattle
Speaker 8: team also being a run heavy offense as well, so
Speaker 8: they can really compress the game there.
Speaker 2: It comes tomorrow's games. I think this could be the
Speaker 2: game of the day of the weekend. Texans Patriots. You
Speaker 2: point out something really interesting in this game. There's no
Speaker 2: wide resig receiver in ego. Collins is still in concussion protocol.
Speaker 2: It looks more and more like he's not going to
Speaker 2: answer the bell In this one, you point out Jaden Higgins,
Speaker 2: Texans wide receiver over three and a half receptions looks
Speaker 2: like a smart play. Has that held at three and
Speaker 2: a half receptions in light of what's happened with Collins
Speaker 2: this week? Or is that movie?
Speaker 8: Yeah, we're seeing a good possibility that it's going to
Speaker 8: fluctuate as we get a little bit closer to game time.
Speaker 8: I'm still seeing it at three and a half in spots,
Speaker 8: and I think that we're going to get a value
Speaker 8: on that. I think the biggest thing is that you'll
Speaker 8: potentially see the odds on that move right now at
Speaker 8: that plus one twenty five, which we actually give a
Speaker 8: twenty four percent edge value to depending on where you're shopping.
Speaker 8: But really, I think one of the big things for
Speaker 8: that particularly is that Higgins has been excellent when over
Speaker 8: down the stretch seventy nine point one PFF receiving grade.
Speaker 6: He's a guy who can find the end zone.
Speaker 8: I actually like him at a touchdown at about plus
Speaker 8: three ten as well that you know, his receiving grade
Speaker 8: top six among ninety qualifiers over you know, the back
Speaker 8: half of the season without Nico Collins in there, I
Speaker 8: think we're going to see Higgins and both Xavier Hutchinson
Speaker 8: really get an opportunity to make some noise against the
Speaker 8: New England defense, who.
Speaker 6: Is fairly strong. I don't think they get quite enough.
Speaker 8: Credit for them having a great defense, But this is
Speaker 8: going to be a game where I think we're going
Speaker 8: to have to see the Texans pass quite a bit.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like it's Patriots minus three at this point. Well,
Speaker 2: I look at that Texans defense. It's it's stellar in
Speaker 2: you know, twenty yards in But you can you can
Speaker 2: throw the ball on that secondary, can't you.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So that's something that we've actually seen from them is
Speaker 8: that they are among the best teams in the NFL
Speaker 8: at rallying to the football on short to intermediate throws
Speaker 8: at around ten yards, they give up one of the
Speaker 8: lowest yards per attempt numbers.
Speaker 6: In that situation.
Speaker 8: But something that we have seen is that when you
Speaker 8: throw balls twenty or more yards downfield, they get a
Speaker 8: little bit over aggressive to come down in rally and
Speaker 8: you can sort of beat them over the top. Now,
Speaker 8: with that being said, they're still a very strong defense,
Speaker 8: but there is an opportunity with this match up, specifically
Speaker 8: where New England is one of the best deep ball
Speaker 8: passing teams in the NFL. They're very high in explosive
Speaker 8: pass play percentage. They really get Chunkyard as well, Drake
Speaker 8: may I mean, he's been one of the most effective
Speaker 8: deep passers in the NFL this season. So that's an
Speaker 8: opportunity for this Patriots team to really separate themselves from
Speaker 8: a Texans defense that is very strong by all accounts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, if this game was in Houston,
Speaker 2: I would have absolutely no problem, absolutely no problem going
Speaker 2: with Houston. I don't know, man, there's something said for
Speaker 2: the Patriots and the way they're playing. It's Patriots minus
Speaker 2: three right now. I've seen it as high as three
Speaker 2: and a half. But I have a tough time going
Speaker 2: against New England in this game, even against the money line,
Speaker 2: I have a tough time going against them. What about you?
Speaker 8: I agree, I'm actually on the side of New England
Speaker 8: in this one.
Speaker 3: I have.
Speaker 8: You know, we just got off we were doing our
Speaker 8: our show yesterday there.
Speaker 6: Doing theft betting show, and I know we had.
Speaker 8: A lot of sentiment there between me and our guy
Speaker 8: two to four gang with you know, the Patriots' ability
Speaker 8: to exploit that deep ball that's really fit perfectly for
Speaker 8: this I like them at minus three as well.
Speaker 2: Mason Cameron, Pro Footballfocused dot Com our guests. Of course,
Speaker 2: we're talking about these these four NFL games this weekend.
Speaker 2: Final game of the weekend is tomorrow, Rams Bears. Again.
Speaker 2: Looking at this, it's Rams minus three and a half.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing about the Rams, and you point this out.
Speaker 2: They get out to I mean, they can chug out
Speaker 2: to a lead, there's no question about it. But man,
Speaker 2: inside of four minutes, give me the Bears. The Bears
Speaker 2: simply know how to close out games. The question I
Speaker 2: have in this game is can the Bears keep it
Speaker 2: close enough to close it out. Obviously, week you know
Speaker 2: they allowed a huge chunk, a huge lead. They figured
Speaker 2: out a way to come back, Mason, There's only so
Speaker 2: many times a year a team can do that. I
Speaker 2: don't know. If the Bears get out to a huge
Speaker 2: lead in this game, my gut's telling me, I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: the Rams get out to a huge lead in this game.
Speaker 2: My gut is telling me it's going to be Rams
Speaker 2: handicap that aspect of the game for us, can you so?
Speaker 6: Yeah? So, what we have seen is that inscripted sequences.
Speaker 8: This Rams team is heading shoulders above any other team
Speaker 8: in the first three plays in terms of percentages that they're.
Speaker 6: Earning positive EPA.
Speaker 8: What we've seen though, is that this Bears team had
Speaker 8: a lot of public backing. The public has loved to
Speaker 8: see their late game comebacks, and that's put a number
Speaker 8: like three and the hook sort of influx there. The
Speaker 8: Bears are one of the most bet teams by the
Speaker 8: public this week, so it is an opportunity for them.
Speaker 6: I know our guy Ben.
Speaker 8: Lindsay, he's actually on an angle of the Rams to
Speaker 8: cover or minus two and a half early in the
Speaker 8: game in the first half and then Bears at the
Speaker 8: back end at plus three and a half, sort of
Speaker 8: playing into that potential narrative and that it's tend to
Speaker 8: one bet as well when we see Chicago, I mean,
Speaker 8: they've been electric in at the end of games, fourth quarter, overtime.
Speaker 8: They're top the NFL and EPA per play, So that
Speaker 8: is the situation that's worth watching.
Speaker 6: I think one of the big things here is weather.
Speaker 8: People are talking about the weather and the Bears running game,
Speaker 8: and that's why people.
Speaker 6: Are leaning that direction. But I want to also put
Speaker 6: up that this.
Speaker 8: Rams team is right up there with the Bears in
Speaker 8: terms of rushing success rate. And I think one of
Speaker 8: the things that is going under the radar is actually
Speaker 8: one of these teams can stop the run, and.
Speaker 6: That's the Rams.
Speaker 8: The Bears bottom of the league in yards before contact
Speaker 8: per attempt. I think that gives an opportunity for this
Speaker 8: running game. Guys like Hyan Williams, guys like lake Holm,
Speaker 8: they're going to have an opportunity to make a big
Speaker 8: game back.
Speaker 2: Well, it's going to be a high of twenty three
Speaker 2: in Chicago on Sunday, but it's going to you know,
Speaker 2: this is the late game, so it's going to fall
Speaker 2: off precipitously and the high on Monday is only going
Speaker 2: to be nine. So that would tell you that overnight
Speaker 2: Sunday and the Monday probably starting at sundawn, it's going
Speaker 2: to be really really cold. So so okay, bring that
Speaker 2: home a little bit for us. You got a three
Speaker 2: and a half point spread in this the Rams are
Speaker 2: giving three to the Bears at home at this hour.
Speaker 2: What's your play in this game?
Speaker 8: You know here in the in the PFF offices, we
Speaker 8: were pretty split when we when we went over some
Speaker 8: of our bets for this game in particular, I'm actually
Speaker 8: going to be on the side of the Rams here.
Speaker 8: I think there's just so many metrics that actually go
Speaker 8: in their favor, and I think that the weather being
Speaker 8: a you know, key in this game isn't so much,
Speaker 8: you know, a factor because this Rams team, they aren't
Speaker 8: super weather dependent. We saw Stafford come in and he's
Speaker 8: played really well in some.
Speaker 6: Cold weather games as well.
Speaker 8: Actually, our model is giving just a slight edge in
Speaker 8: the imply cover probability for the Rams to cover that
Speaker 8: three and.
Speaker 6: A half at home.
Speaker 8: But you know, I do potentially see that side of
Speaker 8: where the Bears could come from.
Speaker 6: But I'm leaning on the Rams. There.
Speaker 2: You're leading on the Rams. Okay. You know what's the
Speaker 2: best part about all this, Mason. We get to watch
Speaker 2: these games, we talk all we want about them. It's
Speaker 2: what happens on the field, right and hell yeah, And
Speaker 2: I think that's what makes all of this intriguing. But
Speaker 2: you guys do a deep dive into this every single
Speaker 2: week during the season, and now here in the playoffs,
Speaker 2: it's so much more important. Again, Profootballfocus dot com. You
Speaker 2: can find it online PFF dot com and it is
Speaker 2: a great investment, and I was saying that because Mason's
Speaker 2: here with me. I'm just saying it is a great investment.
Speaker 2: Nobody breaks down football, Nobody goes play by play, player
Speaker 2: by player, game by game, line by line than Pro
Speaker 2: Footballfocus dot Com. You're working for a great outfit there, Mason.
Speaker 2: We appreciate your time. Stay well. We'll see how they
Speaker 2: play out, Okay, Dave Ken, Yeah you bet. I like
Speaker 2: Denver today. I think the line is meaningless. I think
Speaker 2: Buffalo doesn't have anybody to throw to, although James Cook
Speaker 2: is absolutely wonderful and can take over a game as
Speaker 2: a Mason just mentioned I'm going Seahawks tonight. I'm not
Speaker 2: buying the Darneld thing being a big, big factor. We'll see.
Speaker 2: As I said, that's why they play the games on
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