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Speaker 1: Now your host Ken Brew on news radio seven hundred

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Speaker 1: WLW Go Big or Go Home?

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Speaker 2: just heard that, and that's that promo spot for the

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Speaker 2: NFL games, well something to that effect. Welcome on in.

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Speaker 2: It's a truncated look that word of kids version of

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Speaker 2: the full can Brew Saturday experience. We are going to

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Speaker 2: on seven hundred WLW with Dan Horde and Terry Nelson courtside.

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Speaker 2: I believe Moe Egger is with them as well, so

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Speaker 2: it will be a three headed attack right here on

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Speaker 2: seven hundred WLW. What a week it's been. Riots in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 2: The United States still wants to go after Greenland. Of course,

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Speaker 2: we have the Venezuela blockade, and somehow, some way that

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Speaker 2: country is functioning after its president has been absconded and

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Speaker 2: brought back to the United States. Iran is rearing its

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Speaker 2: ugly head again, and of course it never goes away.

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Speaker 2: In Israel and the Gaza strip. Oh, and by the way,

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Speaker 2: Putin and Zelensky and Russia and the Ukraine. So there's

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Speaker 2: a lot percolating around this world right now. And when

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Speaker 2: a lot starts to percolate around this world, I'd like

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Speaker 2: to talk to one person, and one person only. You know,

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Speaker 2: there's a hot rumor going around that if the United

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Speaker 2: States somehow, some way makes Greenland the fifty first state

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Speaker 2: of the United States, there's a hot rumor going around,

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Speaker 2: a rumor, of course, which I started, that the governor

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Speaker 2: of the great state, the fifty first state of Greenland

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Speaker 2: is going to be my next guest, and he, of

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Speaker 2: course is the great politician in waiting, and perhaps someday,

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Speaker 2: someday soon may come back. Who knows. Jim Ridece standing

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Speaker 2: by to join us, and Jim, how are you on

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Speaker 2: this glorious Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Well, I am good, Ken. How about yourself?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Now. There's a hot rumor going around

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Speaker 2: that when the President annexes ice Greenland, I'm sorry to

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Speaker 2: be our fifty first state, that you will be tapped

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Speaker 2: to be the governor of Greenland. Is there any truth

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Speaker 2: to this rumor?

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Speaker 4: Jim?

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Speaker 3: Well, Ken, there is absolutely no truth, Because I like

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Speaker 3: to get away from the cold.

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Speaker 2: I do call yeah if you like. If you like cold,

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Speaker 2: you don't have to go to Greenland. You stay in

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Speaker 2: Ohio for January and February. Look, there's a lot that

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Speaker 2: a lot of saber rattling here. I think Trump has

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Speaker 2: three options. He can invade Greenland and take it. He

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Speaker 2: can buy Greenland, much like we did with Alaska all

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Speaker 2: those years ago. Or he could work with Greenland to

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Speaker 2: try and get what he really wants. What I think

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Speaker 2: is a stronger base there from a military standpoint, and

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Speaker 2: the middle roles that are indigenous to Greenland. I think

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Speaker 2: that's probably the option that's at play here. I think

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Speaker 2: Trump wants to rattle the sort a little bit and

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Speaker 2: get everybody on their toes and in the end get

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Speaker 2: his best deal. Am I reading this situation wrong?

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Speaker 3: Well, when it comes to President Trumps, you're probably reading

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Speaker 3: it properly. I just in some ways I'm not sure

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Speaker 3: if he needs to rattle the sorts as much as

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Speaker 3: he is. I mean, we already control the airspace in Greenland.

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Speaker 3: We already have the only military base in Greenland. We

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Speaker 3: already have an agreement with NATO that says we will

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Speaker 3: always work and protect Greenland and they will work with us.

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Speaker 3: So right now we have all of that. Would it

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Speaker 3: be great to own or control or have Greenland's part

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Speaker 3: of the United States for security interests, Sure, but it'd

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Speaker 3: probably be good to have Mexico and South America and

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Speaker 3: Canada and everybody else too. But they don't want to come,

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Speaker 3: and we shouldn't push them if they don't.

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Speaker 2: Trump is thinking too small. Here is what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: It shouldn't it shouldn't just be agreeing with it. But

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Speaker 2: what I what I find interesting about about all of this,

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Speaker 2: and again I sometimes I'm too much of a conspiracy theorist,

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Speaker 2: but I think he's trying to keep NATO on its toes.

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Speaker 2: I think this is a direct message to China, and

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Speaker 2: for some exercises. He got everybody's attention, which I think

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Speaker 3: Well, of course, But look, one thing I don't understand

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Speaker 3: about President Trump, But again I do know he has

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Speaker 3: a unique way of doing things. It's kind of tough

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Speaker 3: when you're rattling the savors of your friends, because when

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Speaker 3: sometimes I just wish he would do things a little different,

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Speaker 3: be a little bit more diplomatic. I know he's not

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Speaker 3: the way we kind of rattle things up, especially when

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Speaker 3: they're your friends.

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Speaker 2: I don't and I'm torn here because I don't know

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Speaker 2: and then that's it. It's it's it's not going to happen,

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Speaker 2: much as his rhetoric now is with Iran. You know,

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Speaker 2: he again he's got an aircraft carrier in that part

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Speaker 2: something done if that country and that particular dictatorship continues

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Speaker 2: knows that there's a line there that he can't cross,

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Speaker 2: his ear saying you know, you really can't do that.

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Speaker 2: It's not a good idea. I wonder if he just

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Speaker 2: has the right people in his ear around him right now.

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Speaker 2: And I know as subjective thinking and it's just conjecture,

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Speaker 2: but do you think he does.

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Speaker 5: Well?

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Speaker 3: I've said this all along. In his first presidency, he

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Speaker 3: would question what he was doing. They would tell him, hey,

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Speaker 3: you really can't do that. He would fire some of

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Speaker 3: those people because he didn't like their answers. But now

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Speaker 3: he has people around him who will not question anything

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Speaker 3: he's doing. I think he has a weaker group of

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Speaker 3: You know, Ken always said, my success and many success

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Speaker 3: of many people is because you have good, strong people

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Speaker 3: that line that you're talking about than he would have

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Speaker 3: in the past. He does have presidential immunity now that

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Speaker 3: the Supreme Court has given him that, which is kind

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Speaker 3: of trusting because that means he's given you know, it's

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Speaker 3: another topic, but again he's given President Clint presidential amusity too,

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Speaker 2: Well, we seem to have our nose in a lot

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Speaker 2: of different places. Iran now apparently is the is the

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Speaker 2: over Venezuela. China I think is lurking in the in

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Speaker 2: the back. You know, there's a theory, Jim, that that

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Speaker 2: China has a grand plan that what they want is

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Speaker 2: Taiwan and take Taiwan. I just think that there's just

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Speaker 2: there's got to be a number, a definite number of

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Speaker 2: the big brother, or it comes back and it gets

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Speaker 2: the big brother. And it sounds like that's what you

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Speaker 2: meant when you just answered that last question. Is that

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Speaker 3: Sure? And you got Russia out looking at some things too,

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Speaker 3: you got China looking at some things. I mean, this

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Speaker 3: really have a mess over there as well.

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Speaker 6: But I would agree with you.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, China's looking at all this and say, hey, keep

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Speaker 3: doing what you're doing. We're going to get Taiwan. We're

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Speaker 3: going to you know, you almost wonder if they're not

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Speaker 3: That's going on with President.

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Speaker 2: Trump twenty ten. You're in Congress and you were your party,

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Speaker 2: the Republican Party was not the party in power. It

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Speaker 2: was during Obama's first administration. I'm just wondering, now, if

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Speaker 2: all of this is going on, it has to be

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Speaker 2: do you think this factors into what the Democrats and

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Speaker 2: their strategy will be going forward with all of these

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Speaker 3: Well, look, if I was advising the Democrats, and I'm not,

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Speaker 3: but if I was, I would tell them, I would say,

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Speaker 3: just let President Trump continue to do what he's doing.

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Speaker 3: Let him continue to make the decisions he's making, because

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Speaker 3: the American people, I mean, there's a pole out today.

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Speaker 3: Now I know it's CNN, and people say, oh, it's CNN,

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Speaker 3: but sixty percent are saying that Trump's first.

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Speaker 2: Year was a failure.

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Speaker 3: And you know that's a problem. So let's, you know, again,

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Speaker 3: let him just continue to Now the problem with the

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Speaker 3: they cause themselves their own problems.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, now you're right, and it's the same. It's I mean,

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Speaker 2: either side, it's the usual suspects you see on the

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Speaker 2: cable shows every night. It's the same people running to

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Speaker 2: the television lights. Jimmer and ac our guests. All right,

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Speaker 2: we got a situation in Minnesota that is again reaching

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Speaker 2: new boiling points every day. Leaving aside the fact that

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Speaker 2: an ICE agent, some say in self defense it would

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Speaker 2: appear to be that he was in some sort of jeopardy,

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Speaker 2: to the side, just per second. There is a real case,

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Speaker 2: I think for Trump invoking the Insurrection Act. You know,

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Speaker 2: people will say, well, that's an act that goes back

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Speaker 2: to the eighteen hundreds. Well, sure, but there's been thirty

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Speaker 2: instances where Republican and Democrat presidents have invoked the Insurrection

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Speaker 2: Act just to get calm on the streets and protect

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Speaker 2: the innocent people whom I sure don't want that going

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Speaker 2: on in their town. To protect them. If you were

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Speaker 2: the president, knowing what has transpired there, would you invoke

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Speaker 2: the Direction Act the Insurrection Act?

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Speaker 3: Well, again, as president, I think the problem is he

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Speaker 3: has no relationship with state, no relationship with the governor,

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Speaker 3: no relationship with the with the mayor. So there is

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Speaker 3: a real issue there which is driving up We'll drive

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Speaker 3: up even more attention if he does use the Insurrection Act.

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Speaker 3: But I do think we need we need to get

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Speaker 3: use whatever power he believes is necessary. But at the

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Speaker 2: These are well funded and well organized protests. This isn't

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Speaker 2: Those are the ones that if you're a Republican, those

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Speaker 3: Well, maybe that's the people that want to get rid

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Speaker 2: They want me here. Good, keep them on their toes,

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Speaker 2: that's for sure. Good catching up with you, Jim. Stay well,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you bet well. No purchase of Greenland yet and

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Speaker 2: Mason Cameron profootballfocus dot Com will break down the NFL

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Speaker 2: weekend games, now down to four games, two today too. Tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Basketball this afternoon, Number twenty four, Tennessee at home against

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Speaker 2: want to do that. I think I've been here long enough.

434
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Speaker 2: Aaron the right to work remotely at least part of

435
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Speaker 2: the time, and some companies are saying okay and then

436
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,600
Speaker 2: doing something else. They found out a new way to

437
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 2: spy on you when you're not on the job. Microsoft

438
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:25,399
Speaker 2: Teams has introduced a new feature. You may know about this.

439
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 2: It automatically detects your office location when you connect to

440
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Speaker 2: the company by Wi Fi. So big brother is keeping

441
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Speaker 2: an eye on you. With Microsoft Teams. There are other

442
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Speaker 2: Google based products, Google Messages now let your boss spy

443
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:47,200
Speaker 2: on your chats because bosses want to know what these

444
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,760
Speaker 2: employees are up to, and if they're up to no good,

445
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,359
Speaker 2: well then that's an easy way perhaps to get called

446
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 2: on the old HR carpet. Standing by the way in

447
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: on all of this, I love this. She first herself

448
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: as a chapreneur, not an entrepreneur, but a chipreneur, A strategist.

449
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:12,120
Speaker 2: Suzanne Castle. She's a podcaster, She's a cheerleader for ambitious women,

450
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 2: leadership trainer, and somebody that wants to put sparkle back

451
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Speaker 2: in you and your company. She's all about sparkle. I

452
00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,080
Speaker 2: love it. But she's also somebody that knows there are

453
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Speaker 2: new ways that could make you miserable if you're trying

454
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Speaker 2: to cheat the company. Let's bring her on in. She's

455
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 2: kind enough to give us some of her time here

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Speaker 2: on seven hundred a WYLW Today. Suzanne Castle, how are

457
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Speaker 2: you on this glorious day?

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Speaker 5: I am fabulous. Thank you so much for having me today.

459
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Speaker 5: I'm excited we're talking about this.

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Speaker 2: I am too, because if I work for somebody who

461
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Speaker 2: was monitoring me and watching my every move and try

462
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,320
Speaker 2: to determine if I'm an effective employee, I'd probably freak

463
00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 2: out because what is enough what is not enough? Is

464
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:55,439
Speaker 2: enough something that is only going to get you to

465
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Speaker 2: tomorrow or is it something else that gets you past

466
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Speaker 2: tomorrow and into the future. I'm confused. How does all

467
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Speaker 2: of this work?

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Speaker 5: You know? I think surveillance doesn't create productivity, and I

469
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,960
Speaker 5: think that's the problem here. Trust and clarity and outcomes

470
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Speaker 5: I think are what moves people. And technology is making

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Speaker 5: monitoring easier, but I believe it easier doesn't mean smarter,

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Speaker 5: and so I think employers have a really interesting line

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Speaker 5: to be dancing right now, and I know if I

474
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Speaker 5: was feeling watched like you said, instead of trusted, my

475
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 5: performance might drop. Because anxiety is going to range a

476
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Speaker 5: little bit. There's probably definitely going to be lower retention,

477
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Speaker 5: especially among your high performers. And I don't know that

478
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Speaker 5: I want to work for a person who has a

479
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Speaker 5: culture of compliance instead of ownership. That's just not the

480
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Speaker 5: world that we're living in anymore.

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Speaker 2: I'm wondering, and you may not have an answer. I

482
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Speaker 2: certainly don't, but I wonder if there are state by

483
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Speaker 2: state laws that will have to be addressed if indeed

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Speaker 2: an employer is doing this, because basically it's surveillance. In

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Speaker 2: some of these states have very strict laws against surveillance,

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Speaker 2: whether it be on the job or in personal life.

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Speaker 2: I'm just wondering. Is there a legal hurdle that has

488
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Speaker 2: to be crossed here?

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Speaker 5: Well, I do think there is, and I think it's

490
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Speaker 5: narrower though than some people think. So, you know, I

491
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Speaker 5: feel like, you know, employees want to have the expectation

492
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Speaker 5: of privacy at work, and they should expect privacy in

493
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Speaker 5: their personal spaces and personal accounts, but honestly, they should

494
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Speaker 5: expect limited privacy if you have an employer owned system.

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Speaker 5: So the responsibility is on employers to try to clearly

496
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Speaker 5: define that boundary. And I think that's where the confusion is,

497
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Speaker 5: because confusion is what's creating fear about this, and so

498
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Speaker 5: that's why policies matter, in oversights matter. But you have

499
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Speaker 5: to be very very careful about how you're communicating this

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Speaker 5: so you're not scaring your employees. Communication is team here.

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Speaker 2: So the employee surveillance business, it's a cottage industry, but

502
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Speaker 2: it's really exploded since COVID. Since Marts of twenty twenty one,

503
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Speaker 2: a lot of people either chose to or were given

504
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Speaker 2: the right to work at home, and of course a

505
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Speaker 2: lot of companies, as you well know, have ended that

506
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Speaker 2: they need employees back in the office. But nevertheless, if

507
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Speaker 2: you're working at home, at least initially I found during COVID,

508
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Speaker 2: there were ways that you could game the system. You'd

509
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Speaker 2: move the mouse on your computer maybe every ninety seconds

510
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Speaker 2: or so, or you made it look like you were

511
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Speaker 2: doing something with keystrokes. But I think the technology now

512
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Speaker 2: has gone past that, has it not. I mean, it's

513
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Speaker 2: gotten better and employers can now figure out if you're

514
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Speaker 2: just sitting there doodling or if indeed you are working,

515
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Speaker 2: am I right about that?

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Speaker 5: You are definitely right. There's AI and behavioral analytics that

517
00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 5: have hit the marketplace, and these emerging tools, they're analyzing

518
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 5: patterns rather than single actions. So an example is AI

519
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 5: can flag low engagement and then tell an employer there's

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Speaker 5: risk behaviors happening. They can do predictive attrition or productivity scoring.

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Speaker 5: And so now as an employer, I would say, this

522
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Speaker 5: is giving me insight. I need to intervene, I need

523
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Speaker 5: to coach here. But the concern for employee obviously is

524
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Speaker 5: there's automated judgment like I'm a human, like something might

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Speaker 5: have been going on. And so the AI race is

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Speaker 5: also affecting these tools that employers can use to monitor

527
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Speaker 5: their employees. And that monitoring, you know, from periodic screenshots

528
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 5: to webcam activation indicators. It's real, and it's big, and

529
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Speaker 5: it's almost on every single divid So.

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Speaker 2: In essence, this surveillance equipment can take over whatever laptop

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Speaker 2: or computer that you're using. It can take a screencap

532
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Speaker 2: of what you're actually doing.

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Speaker 5: Correct, that's correct. And there's also even location and network

534
00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:49,800
Speaker 5: based tracking, so that can infer where the employee is

535
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 5: based on their network connection because the Wi Fi based

536
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 5: location has a detector. There's bad swipes, there's device proximity tools,

537
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 5: and so there's really blurred boundaries for hybrid workers and

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Speaker 5: people working at home. When employer thinks you're sitting at

539
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Speaker 5: your home office that we've set up and they're actually

540
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Speaker 5: taking call it starbuss, that's where that presence data and

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Speaker 5: performance data metric gets really really blurry and really really murky.

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Speaker 2: Wow. So you know, again, I suppose all of this

543
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Speaker 2: is tied to money. You mentioned AI. You know, companies

544
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: are sitting there and they're saying, ah, well, look at Joe.

545
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Speaker 2: Joe scores real low. Does Joe do a job that

546
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Speaker 2: AI might be able to replace? You know? The answer

547
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Speaker 2: to every question in life, I think is money, And

548
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Speaker 2: this is probably what this is all about. How can

549
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Speaker 2: we save money with perhaps this AI product and not

550
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Speaker 2: have to worry about this guy health benefits or whatever

551
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Speaker 2: else we have to do to keep him here as

552
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Speaker 2: an employee. It's AI really is at the root of

553
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Speaker 2: all of this, is it not?

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Speaker 5: Well, I think the technology line is that is that

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Speaker 5: the crux of this And so when I am advising CEOs,

556
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Speaker 5: right now I'm telling them things like, decide what you

557
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 5: value first before you choose the tool, because if you

558
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 5: value trust, then you're going to design your environment for trust.

559
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 5: If you value outcomes, you're going to tend towards technology

560
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 5: that measure that. And I think the culture of any

561
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,120
Speaker 5: place you work is showing up in what you track,

562
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Speaker 5: So that's where the money is flowing. So whatever technology

563
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 5: companies are using, that's a culture marker. It's also a

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Speaker 5: leadership marker. But I do think it's money driven for sure,

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Speaker 5: because what you're measuring is shaping the behavior. Though, and

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Speaker 5: I think the better question, at least that I'm asking

567
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Speaker 5: is how leaders use these tools, not whether or not

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Speaker 5: they're going to exist, because they're just going to exist,

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Speaker 5: so we have to figure out how to use them

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Speaker 5: ethically and morally.

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Speaker 2: I believe is this surveillance. Is it being used for

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Speaker 2: people that are actually in the building and on the job?

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Speaker 2: I mean with a large company. I'm not suggesting these

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Speaker 2: companies do that, but a large company like IBM, for example,

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Speaker 2: would they use it for on the job and remote?

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Speaker 5: Oh? Absolutely? I mean you think about bad access blogs.

577
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 5: There's smart cameras and sensors and offices. There's even desk

578
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Speaker 5: occupancy tracking. So employers are bringing it like we're planning

579
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 5: out our space for security. But you know, the concern

580
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Speaker 5: is there's constant visibility. You're constantly being monitored, and I

581
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 5: do think that that has some serious repercussions on mental

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Speaker 5: health and burnout. If people think, oh, I am constantly,

583
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Speaker 5: you know, being watched for what I'm doing. I'm not

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Speaker 5: sure that productivity is going to rise to meet that.

585
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Speaker 5: In fact, I think that's just going to cause a problem.

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Speaker 2: So if you go on a job interview at a

587
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Speaker 2: company and this company has this surveillance equipment, I would

588
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: think the company would have to tell the perspective employee, Look,

589
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Speaker 2: this is what we do. This is a business practice

590
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Speaker 2: we have. It's not that we don't trust you, it's

591
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Speaker 2: just that we do this so we can keep tabs

592
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Speaker 2: and what our employers are doing. But I think I

593
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Speaker 2: think the company's got to be upfront about this, right.

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00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 5: Oh sure, And if I was an employee, I would

595
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 5: be asking, Hi, what data's collected, who is seeing that data?

596
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 5: How long are you storing this data? How will it

597
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,360
Speaker 5: be used in evaluation? That's where the transparency is going

598
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 5: to come in and that's going to build safety and

599
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Speaker 5: it is absolutely incumbent upon an employers say here is

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Speaker 5: what we're doing, and we want you to know how

601
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Speaker 5: we're using it. So both of those things have to

602
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Speaker 5: be true. And as an employee you should advocate for

603
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Speaker 5: yourself and as an employer you need to communicate with

604
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Speaker 5: your people. It all comes down to communication.

605
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Speaker 2: So is who is seeing this? I mean, if a

606
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: company puts this in, is it is it like you know,

607
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 2: Montgomery burn sitting in the corner suite and he's got

608
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Speaker 2: these monitors in front of him and he's looking for

609
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Speaker 2: somebody that's not working well and go get this guy

610
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Speaker 2: excellent Smithers. You know, Is it like that or is

611
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 2: does it go to some sort of monitoring system and

612
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Speaker 2: then the monitoring system alerts the company, Hey, this is

613
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Speaker 2: what's going on with with weekly or monthly reports. How

614
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Speaker 2: does it work well?

615
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Speaker 5: I think large companies that the information is being aggregated,

616
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Speaker 5: so every company is choosing how they use it. Where

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Speaker 5: I'm seeing most of it is if there's flags that

618
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Speaker 5: rise up. So again, like an AI tool is analy

619
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Speaker 5: analyzing a pattern, so if it sees over ten days,

620
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Speaker 5: then an employee might get flagged. I am not seeing

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Speaker 5: the constant monitoring, like every twenty four hours someone is

622
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,319
Speaker 5: looking at this data. It's more in aggregate. But I'm

623
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Speaker 5: also seeing how this is compiled even quarterly for employee

624
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Speaker 5: evaluation and so that you know, I do think so

625
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Speaker 5: there's there's that process. Silence feels like spying to me.

626
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Speaker 5: I'll just be honest. So I am just saying, please

627
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Speaker 5: ask what is happening. What are you using? What kind

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Speaker 5: of things are you using when you monitor me and

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Speaker 5: when you're evaluating my performance? I think that's what the

630
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:52,239
Speaker 5: sensitivity is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think so too. I think you've got

632
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Speaker 2: you've got a temper. And Suzanne Castle is our guest.

633
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Speaker 2: She's the author of the Sparkle Effect. Ten powerful concepts

634
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,280
Speaker 2: to awaken your brilliance. Don't you have to have brilliance

635
00:35:05,320 --> 00:35:07,279
Speaker 2: to awaken it? What about the poor soul that's out

636
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: there that has no brilliance? Where's your book for that person?

637
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: Come on, Susanne, I.

638
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:15,399
Speaker 5: Did write that. I wrote that for everybody. I think

639
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Speaker 5: we all need a little more brilliance in our day

640
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Speaker 5: and to be reminded that we are brilliant. I think

641
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 5: every human is brilliant in their own way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, is this pretty much the wave of the future,

643
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: because you know, the OG and me would say, like,

644
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Speaker 2: if I had a company that did this, I'd run

645
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 2: like hell from that company, But I might be running

646
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Speaker 2: into the arms of another company that does the exact

647
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Speaker 2: same thing. So I guess my question is it's here now.

648
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Speaker 2: What is the percentage in your opinion, that are actually

649
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Speaker 2: using this, the percentage of companies that are actually using this,

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Speaker 2: and how prevalent do you think it will be. Let's

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Speaker 2: just go five years out, let's go no farther than

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Speaker 2: five years out. What do you think.

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Speaker 5: I think already probably it's about eighty percent as companies

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Speaker 5: are using them. So you know, I think what we're

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Speaker 5: going to need to see within five years is you

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Speaker 5: reference it earlier is guideline. We really need to understand

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Speaker 5: that over regulations is definitely going to backfire here, so

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Speaker 5: we need clear disclosure standards and consent rules that are

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Speaker 5: going to protect both sides. But I do think within

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Speaker 5: the next I would think eighteen months ninety percent, it's

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Speaker 5: not one hundred percent, we'll have some kind of tool

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Speaker 5: where they are making sure that the productivity that they're

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Speaker 5: paying for is actually happening.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, the bottom line is the bottom line,

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Speaker 2: and that's what companies want. And the stressors that are

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Speaker 2: on these individual offices I don't think are going to

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Speaker 2: go away. You answer to somebody, you answer to shareholders,

668
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Speaker 2: or you answer to a board, or you just answered

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Speaker 2: to the guy that owns the place. But I think

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Speaker 2: it just is the way of the world and the

671
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Speaker 2: way it's going, not necessarily the world I want to

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Speaker 2: live in, Suzanne, But nevertheless, you fight it, you probably lose. Suzanne,

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Speaker 2: how do people get a hold of you? Because you

674
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Speaker 2: sound like you know what's going on in life, and

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Speaker 2: there's not enough people like that on the face of

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Speaker 2: the earth. How do people get a hold of you?

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Speaker 5: You're so kind. I'm just going to direct people to

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Speaker 5: my webs website because there's goodies and all kinds of

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Speaker 5: information there. So it's Suzannecastle dot com.

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Speaker 2: I was not going to think about your phone number.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad to see the website. Worry about that. Hey, listen,

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Speaker 2: this was fun. Hopefully we can do it again. But

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Speaker 2: for your time today, thank you.

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Speaker 5: I would love it. Thank you. Have a great day.

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Speaker 2: Bet easy way not to avoid getting caught goofing off

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Speaker 2: don't coove off. Seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 1: Now your host Ken Brew on news radio seven hundred WLW.

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Speaker 2: Welcome out, and we've got uc basketball. Bottom of the hour.

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Speaker 2: You see against the number two Iowa State Hawkeye cyclones.

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Speaker 2: Cyclones sometimes your brain parts and you're not sure exactly

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Speaker 2: what happens. Anyway, that's at the bottom of the hour.

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Speaker 2: Is the airtime. Game time is a two at the half.

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Speaker 2: Now in Knoxville, Tennessee forty two Kentucky thirty one Tennessee

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Speaker 2: of course, the number twenty four team in the country.

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Speaker 2: We have NFL playoff action and it is I guess

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Speaker 2: a double hitter today. First up is Buffalo Denver. That'll

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Speaker 2: be out at Denver, Denver fourteen to three, Buffalo twelve

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Speaker 2: and five. And then immediately after that it is the

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Speaker 2: forty nine Ers at the Seahawks. We'll see what kind

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Speaker 2: of condition Sam Darnold has any had an oblique strain

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Speaker 2: this week in practice. And then tomorrow it's the Texans

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Speaker 2: at New England. I think that could be the game

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Speaker 2: of the weekend. And following that up will be the

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Speaker 2: Rams and the Bears in Chicago and what ought to

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Speaker 2: be a very chilly Chili night in Chicago. Yeah, the

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Speaker 2: high for Monday in Chicago is nine. So that ought

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Speaker 2: to tell you what the temperature should look like when

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Speaker 2: they kick that game off Tomorrow night at five point

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Speaker 2: thirty leading into Sunday night into Monday morning. Anyway, stay

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Speaker 2: tuned for all of that. All of these games, of course,

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Speaker 2: are in and of themselves unique and interesting, and to

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Speaker 2: help us break it down and to see who's favored

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Speaker 2: and why and where the smart money should be laid,

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Speaker 2: we bring in the guy who is the betting genius

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Speaker 2: at Pro footballfocus dot com. I've said this many times.

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Speaker 2: Pro Football Focus the website for analytical football, and Mason

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Speaker 2: Cameron is the guy who is so charged with breaking

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Speaker 2: all of these games down, and he joins us now

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Speaker 2: here on seven hundred W wel W Mason. How are

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Speaker 2: you on this glorious day, Dan.

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Speaker 6: I'm doing good.

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Speaker 8: I'm ready for another great round of football. Wild card

723
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Speaker 8: weekend with excellent and the divisional round is shaping up

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Speaker 8: to be good.

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Speaker 2: Let's just take it from the top. First out of

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Speaker 2: the shoot, which is four point thirty this afternoon, you

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Speaker 2: got Buffalo and Denver. Buffalo Denver, Denver at home giving

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Speaker 2: one I think the interesting thing in this game is

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Speaker 2: the total forty five and a half. I am so

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Speaker 2: tempted by the over on this simply because I look

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Speaker 2: at both of these offenses, and even though Buffalo doesn't

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Speaker 2: have any wide receivers, I still have a feeling that

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Speaker 2: it's going to go over forty five and a half.

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Speaker 8: What about you, Yeah, I mean there's a lot of

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Speaker 8: potential there. We've seen a lot of, you know, explosive

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Speaker 8: plays from both of these offense. The Broncos are a

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Speaker 8: team that's sort of a slow starter and a late riser,

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Speaker 8: so they really have a potential to take an over

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Speaker 8: on pretty much any gin that they're playing. A part

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Speaker 8: of the big concern there is definitely with the Bills, uh,

741
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Speaker 8: just given.

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Speaker 6: That the Broncos play a ton of man.

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Speaker 8: Coverage right now, the Bills just don't really have the

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Speaker 8: bodies that wide receiver to separate against sticky man coverages.

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Speaker 8: Josh Allen dealing with that injury, So you know, it

746
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Speaker 8: is one of those things where it's a little ebb

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Speaker 8: and flow. But when we look at some of the

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Speaker 8: model and what we're looking at, our projection is slightly

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Speaker 8: higher about forty six point two points about a fifty

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Speaker 8: one percent cover probability, and you know, we are seeing

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Speaker 8: a lot of money coming in on that side, so

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Speaker 8: you know there is a great possibility.

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Speaker 6: On that for sure.

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Speaker 8: One of the things that I'm interested to see in

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Speaker 8: this game and one of the sides that I'm actually

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Speaker 8: leaning on the Bronco side of this one, as the

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Speaker 8: line has moved towards them in this game. You know,

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Speaker 8: hostile environment. This Broncos teams third best cover rate at

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Speaker 8: home since the start of last season, so I'm really

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Speaker 8: excited to see what they can do in this matchup.

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Speaker 2: Okay, late game today, you got San Francisco at Seattle.

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Speaker 2: It's about seven. It's about Seattle minus seven. Although late

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Speaker 2: in the week Sam Donold went out. He has an

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Speaker 2: oblique injury, but apparently he's going to play through it.

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Speaker 2: No George Kittle for San Francisco. I'm looking at your

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Speaker 2: analysis in this game. The Seattle defense obviously is pretty

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Speaker 2: damn good. I think you would you would have admit

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Speaker 2: to that. I'm looking at San Francisco. They're a little

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Speaker 2: more ball control than they have been in the years past.

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Speaker 2: That will be even more so here without Kittle. They're

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Speaker 2: going to rely on McCaffrey. I think a lot in

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Speaker 2: this game is I mean, when they're healthy, they're good.

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Speaker 2: But I'm looking at Seattle, I'm not sure that they're

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Speaker 2: healthy healthy in this game. What what do you how

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Speaker 2: do you look at this? Because this is a tough

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Speaker 2: one for me.

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Speaker 8: So one of the things that I'm targeting for this

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Speaker 8: game is the under and it actually continues to come down.

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Speaker 8: So it's better to get in on that one now

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Speaker 8: as opposed to later on. You know, as the game

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Speaker 8: cut time comes up, here.

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Speaker 2: What are we I'm seeing forty five and a half

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Speaker 2: right now? What are you saying?

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Speaker 8: So I we have forty five in some spots it

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Speaker 8: started to tie forty six and a half. I mean

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Speaker 8: with the news of Sam Darnold, I think that we're

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Speaker 8: going to see some potential for it to come down

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Speaker 8: a little bit further. But really, I think the big

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Speaker 8: thing is if we look at the last two games

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Speaker 8: in the regular season between these two teams, they only

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Speaker 8: total forty six points in both of them.

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Speaker 6: That last game.

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Speaker 8: You never want to over index on a single game.

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Speaker 8: But when we talk about that last game, it was

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Speaker 8: thirteen to three. That's a playoff environment that was to

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Speaker 8: decide the number one seed.

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Speaker 6: So that's it's going to be a lot of the.

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Speaker 8: Tempo in the aggression that we see in that game.

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Speaker 6: Mike McDonald's defense.

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Speaker 8: I mean put on an absolute clinic in that game,

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Speaker 8: only four point one yards per play allowed. They limited

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Speaker 8: San Francisco to the lowest epa per play mark.

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Speaker 6: Of their season. And now you're talking about no George

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Speaker 6: Kittle in this game.

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Speaker 8: I think that's a huge loss for them as not

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Speaker 8: only a pass catcher, but a run blocker. I mean,

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Speaker 8: he brings life to that running game, So that's going

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00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 8: to be a big loss for them. We see a

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Speaker 8: lot of their metrics in running drop when he's off

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Speaker 8: the field, so I think that the under is probably

811
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Speaker 8: a stronger play. I mean it comes into this Seattle

812
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Speaker 8: team also being a run heavy offense as well, so

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Speaker 8: they can really compress the game there.

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Speaker 2: It comes tomorrow's games. I think this could be the

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Speaker 2: game of the day of the weekend. Texans Patriots. You

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00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,080
Speaker 2: point out something really interesting in this game. There's no

817
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Speaker 2: wide resig receiver in ego. Collins is still in concussion protocol.

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Speaker 2: It looks more and more like he's not going to

819
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Speaker 2: answer the bell In this one, you point out Jaden Higgins,

820
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Speaker 2: Texans wide receiver over three and a half receptions looks

821
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Speaker 2: like a smart play. Has that held at three and

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Speaker 2: a half receptions in light of what's happened with Collins

823
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Speaker 2: this week? Or is that movie?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, we're seeing a good possibility that it's going to

825
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,799
Speaker 8: fluctuate as we get a little bit closer to game time.

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Speaker 8: I'm still seeing it at three and a half in spots,

827
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Speaker 8: and I think that we're going to get a value

828
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Speaker 8: on that. I think the biggest thing is that you'll

829
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Speaker 8: potentially see the odds on that move right now at

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Speaker 8: that plus one twenty five, which we actually give a

831
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Speaker 8: twenty four percent edge value to depending on where you're shopping.

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Speaker 8: But really, I think one of the big things for

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Speaker 8: that particularly is that Higgins has been excellent when over

834
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Speaker 8: down the stretch seventy nine point one PFF receiving grade.

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Speaker 6: He's a guy who can find the end zone.

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Speaker 8: I actually like him at a touchdown at about plus

837
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Speaker 8: three ten as well that you know, his receiving grade

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Speaker 8: top six among ninety qualifiers over you know, the back

839
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Speaker 8: half of the season without Nico Collins in there, I

840
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Speaker 8: think we're going to see Higgins and both Xavier Hutchinson

841
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Speaker 8: really get an opportunity to make some noise against the

842
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Speaker 8: New England defense, who.

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Speaker 6: Is fairly strong. I don't think they get quite enough.

844
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Speaker 8: Credit for them having a great defense, But this is

845
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Speaker 8: going to be a game where I think we're going

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Speaker 8: to have to see the Texans pass quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like it's Patriots minus three at this point. Well,

848
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Speaker 2: I look at that Texans defense. It's it's stellar in

849
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 2: you know, twenty yards in But you can you can

850
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 2: throw the ball on that secondary, can't you.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: So that's something that we've actually seen from them is

853
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Speaker 8: that they are among the best teams in the NFL

854
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 8: at rallying to the football on short to intermediate throws

855
00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 8: at around ten yards, they give up one of the

856
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Speaker 8: lowest yards per attempt numbers.

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Speaker 6: In that situation.

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Speaker 8: But something that we have seen is that when you

859
00:45:57,080 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 8: throw balls twenty or more yards downfield, they get a

860
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 8: little bit over aggressive to come down in rally and

861
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 8: you can sort of beat them over the top. Now,

862
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 8: with that being said, they're still a very strong defense,

863
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Speaker 8: but there is an opportunity with this match up, specifically

864
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 8: where New England is one of the best deep ball

865
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,320
Speaker 8: passing teams in the NFL. They're very high in explosive

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Speaker 8: pass play percentage. They really get Chunkyard as well, Drake

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Speaker 8: may I mean, he's been one of the most effective

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Speaker 8: deep passers in the NFL this season. So that's an

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Speaker 8: opportunity for this Patriots team to really separate themselves from

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Speaker 8: a Texans defense that is very strong by all accounts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know, if this game was in Houston,

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Speaker 2: I would have absolutely no problem, absolutely no problem going

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Speaker 2: with Houston. I don't know, man, there's something said for

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Speaker 2: the Patriots and the way they're playing. It's Patriots minus

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Speaker 2: three right now. I've seen it as high as three

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Speaker 2: and a half. But I have a tough time going

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Speaker 2: against New England in this game, even against the money line,

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Speaker 2: I have a tough time going against them. What about you?

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Speaker 8: I agree, I'm actually on the side of New England

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Speaker 8: in this one.

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Speaker 3: I have.

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Speaker 8: You know, we just got off we were doing our

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Speaker 8: our show yesterday there.

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Speaker 6: Doing theft betting show, and I know we had.

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Speaker 8: A lot of sentiment there between me and our guy

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Speaker 8: two to four gang with you know, the Patriots' ability

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Speaker 8: to exploit that deep ball that's really fit perfectly for

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Speaker 8: this I like them at minus three as well.

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Speaker 2: Mason Cameron, Pro Footballfocused dot Com our guests. Of course,

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Speaker 2: we're talking about these these four NFL games this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Final game of the weekend is tomorrow, Rams Bears. Again.

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Speaker 2: Looking at this, it's Rams minus three and a half.

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Speaker 2: Here's the thing about the Rams, and you point this out.

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Speaker 2: They get out to I mean, they can chug out

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Speaker 2: to a lead, there's no question about it. But man,

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Speaker 2: inside of four minutes, give me the Bears. The Bears

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Speaker 2: simply know how to close out games. The question I

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Speaker 2: have in this game is can the Bears keep it

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Speaker 2: close enough to close it out. Obviously, week you know

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Speaker 2: they allowed a huge chunk, a huge lead. They figured

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Speaker 2: out a way to come back, Mason, There's only so

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Speaker 2: many times a year a team can do that. I

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Speaker 2: don't know. If the Bears get out to a huge

904
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Speaker 2: lead in this game, my gut's telling me, I'm sorry,

905
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Speaker 2: the Rams get out to a huge lead in this game.

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Speaker 2: My gut is telling me it's going to be Rams

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Speaker 2: handicap that aspect of the game for us, can you so?

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Speaker 6: Yeah? So, what we have seen is that inscripted sequences.

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Speaker 8: This Rams team is heading shoulders above any other team

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Speaker 8: in the first three plays in terms of percentages that they're.

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Speaker 6: Earning positive EPA.

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Speaker 8: What we've seen though, is that this Bears team had

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Speaker 8: a lot of public backing. The public has loved to

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Speaker 8: see their late game comebacks, and that's put a number

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Speaker 8: like three and the hook sort of influx there. The

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Speaker 8: Bears are one of the most bet teams by the

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Speaker 8: public this week, so it is an opportunity for them.

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Speaker 6: I know our guy Ben.

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Speaker 8: Lindsay, he's actually on an angle of the Rams to

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Speaker 8: cover or minus two and a half early in the

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Speaker 8: game in the first half and then Bears at the

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Speaker 8: back end at plus three and a half, sort of

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Speaker 8: playing into that potential narrative and that it's tend to

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Speaker 8: one bet as well when we see Chicago, I mean,

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Speaker 8: they've been electric in at the end of games, fourth quarter, overtime.

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Speaker 8: They're top the NFL and EPA per play, So that

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Speaker 8: is the situation that's worth watching.

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Speaker 6: I think one of the big things here is weather.

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Speaker 8: People are talking about the weather and the Bears running game,

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Speaker 8: and that's why people.

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Speaker 6: Are leaning that direction. But I want to also put

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Speaker 6: up that this.

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Speaker 8: Rams team is right up there with the Bears in

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Speaker 8: terms of rushing success rate. And I think one of

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Speaker 8: the things that is going under the radar is actually

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Speaker 8: one of these teams can stop the run, and.

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Speaker 6: That's the Rams.

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Speaker 8: The Bears bottom of the league in yards before contact

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Speaker 8: per attempt. I think that gives an opportunity for this

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Speaker 8: running game. Guys like Hyan Williams, guys like lake Holm,

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Speaker 8: they're going to have an opportunity to make a big

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Speaker 8: game back.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's going to be a high of twenty three

944
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Speaker 2: in Chicago on Sunday, but it's going to you know,

945
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Speaker 2: this is the late game, so it's going to fall

946
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Speaker 2: off precipitously and the high on Monday is only going

947
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Speaker 2: to be nine. So that would tell you that overnight

948
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Speaker 2: Sunday and the Monday probably starting at sundawn, it's going

949
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Speaker 2: to be really really cold. So so okay, bring that

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Speaker 2: home a little bit for us. You got a three

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Speaker 2: and a half point spread in this the Rams are

952
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Speaker 2: giving three to the Bears at home at this hour.

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Speaker 2: What's your play in this game?

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Speaker 8: You know here in the in the PFF offices, we

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Speaker 8: were pretty split when we when we went over some

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Speaker 8: of our bets for this game in particular, I'm actually

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Speaker 8: going to be on the side of the Rams here.

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Speaker 8: I think there's just so many metrics that actually go

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Speaker 8: in their favor, and I think that the weather being

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Speaker 8: a you know, key in this game isn't so much,

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Speaker 8: you know, a factor because this Rams team, they aren't

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Speaker 8: super weather dependent. We saw Stafford come in and he's

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Speaker 8: played really well in some.

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Speaker 6: Cold weather games as well.

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Speaker 8: Actually, our model is giving just a slight edge in

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Speaker 8: the imply cover probability for the Rams to cover that

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Speaker 8: three and.

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Speaker 6: A half at home.

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Speaker 8: But you know, I do potentially see that side of

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Speaker 8: where the Bears could come from.

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Speaker 6: But I'm leaning on the Rams. There.

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Speaker 2: You're leading on the Rams. Okay. You know what's the

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Speaker 2: best part about all this, Mason. We get to watch

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Speaker 2: these games, we talk all we want about them. It's

975
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Speaker 2: what happens on the field, right and hell yeah, And

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Speaker 2: I think that's what makes all of this intriguing. But

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Speaker 2: you guys do a deep dive into this every single

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Speaker 2: week during the season, and now here in the playoffs,

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Speaker 2: it's so much more important. Again, Profootballfocus dot com. You

980
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Speaker 2: can find it online PFF dot com and it is

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Speaker 2: a great investment, and I was saying that because Mason's

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Speaker 2: here with me. I'm just saying it is a great investment.

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Speaker 2: Nobody breaks down football, Nobody goes play by play, player

984
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Speaker 2: by player, game by game, line by line than Pro

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Speaker 2: Footballfocus dot Com. You're working for a great outfit there, Mason.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate your time. Stay well. We'll see how they

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Speaker 2: play out, Okay, Dave Ken, Yeah you bet. I like

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Speaker 2: Denver today. I think the line is meaningless. I think

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Speaker 2: Buffalo doesn't have anybody to throw to, although James Cook

990
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Speaker 2: is absolutely wonderful and can take over a game as

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Speaker 2: a Mason just mentioned I'm going Seahawks tonight. I'm not

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Speaker 2: buying the Darneld thing being a big, big factor. We'll see.

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Speaker 2: As I said, that's why they play the games on

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Speaker 2: seven hundred w l W