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Speaker 2: Welcome to a very special Thursday edition of the Afternoon

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Speaker 2: Ardvark on a rather overcast yet call before the Icenami

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Speaker 2: Thursday Afternoon, I guess better yet cold Namie Thursday Afternoon

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Speaker 2: here in the twin cities of Minneapolis and Saint Paul.

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Speaker 2: My name is Dan Barrero, joined as always by Guardsy,

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Speaker 2: and we are kind of a truncated program today. I

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Speaker 2: believe we're out at five forty five? Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: Five forty five? That is correct?

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Speaker 2: Don't blame us, blame the schedule makers. Nothing we can

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Speaker 2: do about it. I mean we I guess we could,

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Speaker 2: could we if we wanted to keep going till six thirty,

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Speaker 2: like on one of our other channels or something like

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Speaker 2: on the Plus. On the Plus, Yeah, we could fire

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Speaker 2: up the cafe and YouTube channel. Probably not a good

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Speaker 2: Jaffean dot com slash watch, not a helpful suggestion, because

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Speaker 2: then somebody might say, yeah, why don't you, I mean,

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Speaker 2: not if you want to leave at five forty five,

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Speaker 2: if you want to work until six forty five five,

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Speaker 2: as you know, traffic's heavy. Usually it is a little different.

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Speaker 2: You're right, it does take longer getting home at five

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Speaker 2: forty five than it does at six thirty. It's es

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Speaker 2: save us that much time, no less than you think.

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Speaker 2: We're delighted her along for the ride. Today, the Bratshawn

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Speaker 2: Brian Cafe in text Line has opened at six four

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Speaker 2: six eighty six. We uh it do intend to open

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Speaker 2: up Doctor Dan's inbox that I tentatively put for four thirty.

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Speaker 2: You and I didn't talk about it, but I think

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Speaker 2: that works. Yeah, four thirty today. We do believe Sean

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Speaker 2: Salisbury is confirmed this week beginning at the bottom of

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Speaker 2: this hour, and Russo Radio makes his weekly appearance at

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Speaker 2: five oh two Showdown game tonight.

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Speaker 4: That's a home game right with Stars. It is Dallas Stars.

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Speaker 2: I got a lot to get to, maybe even before

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Speaker 2: Russo joins on that game, and perhaps the opportunity that

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Speaker 2: it might afford your favorite hockey team as well. It's

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Speaker 2: starting all over again, and the noise is going to

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Speaker 2: only get louder and louder and louder until well, I

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Speaker 2: don't even know. There isn't until the starting quarterback, the

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Speaker 2: current quarterback, the guy who's been anointed as the man,

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Speaker 2: our young quarterback. Our young quarterback puts together a series

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Speaker 2: of performances that, for most people, most importantly the Minnesota

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Speaker 2: Vikings take any takes any of the drama out of

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Speaker 2: the question of whether he can be our long term

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Speaker 2: answer at the position. The clock has already begun on

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow to the Minnesota, Right, I have seen that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: And you know who's fueling this one more than anybody.

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Speaker 2: It's a schefter, really, guy Schefty, that's the nickname, Yes,

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Speaker 2: Schefty Shafty. He's the guy who's fueling this one. And

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Speaker 2: did you read or see the comments that Joe made.

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Speaker 2: I did, gotten some people going I did, And that's

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Speaker 2: what I think has That was the ember that started

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Speaker 2: this side question.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 2: It was very introspective, very thoughtful, basically midlife crisis. What

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Speaker 2: am I doing with my life if I'm not having

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Speaker 2: any fun?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: And that's what's gotten people going. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean part of it is how different people might

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Speaker 4: I mean, Schefty's got enough shock jockey in him too.

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Speaker 2: Where he goes this is a story. We can we can,

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Speaker 2: we can ride this wave a little bit. So let's

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Speaker 2: have some fun with this. That doesn't mean he doesn't

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Speaker 2: listen to the same comments and say, Okay, he's you know,

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Speaker 2: he's being a little philosophical. That doesn't mean he's necessarily

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Speaker 2: going to be demanding a trade. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: this would not be the only market in which eyebrows

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Speaker 4: We got Joe Burrow here to be our quarterback?

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Speaker 2: But I'm telling you what part of also what fueled

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Speaker 2: I mean, Joe Burrow can make every throw. He's taking

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Speaker 2: And how many times he's been sacked Joe Burrow. Because

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Speaker 2: Green Bay Packers have done so successfully decade after decade.

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Speaker 2: But I will add again, until you are the player

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Speaker 2: the quarterback in question plays well enough, consistently enough, you're

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Speaker 2: going to get stuff like this because, in all honesty,

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Speaker 2: let's be realistic. If you are as much as justin

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Speaker 2: Jefferson has said all the right things and may even believe.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna tell me that justin Jefferson in his prime

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Speaker 2: up with Joe Leaping reuniting. Yes, right, that's true reuniting.

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Speaker 2: So nobody's to blame. But I'm just saying it's gonna keep.

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Speaker 2: right because it's got It's been a it's been a

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Speaker 2: dangerous road to hold for him. Seventy three games in

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Speaker 2: three times. Think about that stat for a minute. That

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Speaker 4: No, it's like two and a half. See that holds

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Speaker 2: I don't know that part of it. But I'll say this,

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Speaker 2: and this is a big statement I think for me,

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Speaker 2: I think you'll agree. I would happily. He's not the

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Speaker 2: some renovations and they would be renamed the Burrow Brownstones

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Speaker 2: You think he'd understand enough to understand. Yeah, he's he's

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Speaker 2: the road. No, I'd still like to keep him around.

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Speaker 2: But the Burrow Brownstones has a nice ring to it has.

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Speaker 2: How many games has Burrow missed? That's the other thing

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Speaker 2: are you getting at this point? Damaged goods? Well, he's

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Speaker 2: played most of three seasons. This year obviously he was hurt.

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Speaker 2: He played it every game. Last year we did okay.

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Speaker 2: You know what I guess last year was they started badly,

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Speaker 2: played ten games, okay, then back to back sixteen guys.

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Speaker 4: So it's not been a season after season. No, his

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Speaker 2: I don't know if that's because they waited started wait

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Speaker 2: or if you got hurt seven seven I'm sorry. Four

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Speaker 2: Remember that he was injured when by week three when

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Speaker 2: they came here. That's true, and it was Browning right

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Speaker 2: that played against US. I mean again, if you're KOC,

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Speaker 2: now there's a million hurdles, not the least of which

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Speaker 2: is his salary. You got to reconfigure everything that you do.

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Speaker 2: of hits you got to take, and and money that

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Speaker 2: you could move around.

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Speaker 4: But I'll ask you the same.

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Speaker 2: Question I asked about justin Jefferson's deep down reaction. What

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Speaker 2: do you think Koc's reaction would be? We can get

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Speaker 2: Joe Burrow? Are you kidding me? You want to talk

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Speaker 2: about because with Joe Burrow you can fling it however

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Speaker 2: you want. Now, I would still say I wish.

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Speaker 4: I still think.

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Speaker 2: Any great quarterback can can be more effective with balance

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Speaker 2: and maybe even stay healthier with base brosemor body balance.

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Speaker 2: But he can make every throw. You don't have to,

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Speaker 2: you know, strip it down, check down, four yard passes,

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Speaker 2: all the fancy stuff he wants to do, all the

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Speaker 2: mad quarterback whisperer professor, he could try. He could do

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Speaker 2: all of them with this quarterback. That would be his

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Speaker 2: first question. I'm sure he evaluated Joe Burrow in the

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Speaker 4: His first question.

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Speaker 2: Would be, is the adept at pure progression? Can you

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Speaker 2: do pure progression? Is that what we call it? Yes?

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Speaker 2: Pure progression, pure progressive, pure progression, which is going to

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Speaker 2: be a great subject with Salisbury because it's broken out

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Speaker 2: he's Adam and we quoted some of that. We even

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Speaker 2: heard the expression pure progression, if that makes sense, because

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Speaker 2: he's like an actual football coach that doesn't feel they

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Speaker 2: need to term everything. It's just can you throw the

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Speaker 2: We're obsessed with it. Zimmer didn't worry about stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: Excuse me, one of these new guys, you know, these

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Speaker 2: these within in wild guys, that's what they do. They

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Speaker 2: just they live for the BMI boys A good way

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Speaker 4: You're exactly right.

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Speaker 2: So in any case, well, uh, I'm just throwing it

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Speaker 2: season on Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: What's gonna happen with Joe Burrow?

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Speaker 2: And if Joe Burrow says he seems to be greasing

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Speaker 2: the wheels, right, he says, I gotta have fun. I'm

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Speaker 2: not having any fun now, I get it. I've already

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Speaker 2: had text saying, well, gets fifty million dollars a year,

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Speaker 2: he can have some fun with that.

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Speaker 4: I'm not going to feel too sorry for him. I

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Speaker 4: get that.

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Speaker 2: But he plays a kid's game, he said himself, he did.

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Speaker 2: That's the way these guys think. So that might be

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Speaker 2: the first step in an orchestrated plan where that he

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Speaker 2: ratchets up, ratcheted. No is it heightens the pressure, ratchets,

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Speaker 2: who we kid, and we're not going anywhere. He didn't

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Speaker 2: As I mentioned, Salisbury will get into this hole, pure

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Speaker 4: Pure Progress.

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Speaker 2: It's well done by our guy, Ryan Donaldson. So yes,

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Speaker 1: I do like it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what do you think of this opinion? This is

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Speaker 4: That was the mistake.

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Speaker 2: That's what none of us realized about Herschel. By the

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Speaker 2: I think he's twenty nine. Yeah, he's twenty nine. It

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Speaker 4: Obviously, you're due diligence on There's no question about that.

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Speaker 2: His dad was the defensive coordinator for North Dakota State

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Speaker 4: Pure progression may equal puke progression.

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Speaker 2: What does that mean? That's not very positive. I think

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Speaker 4: I could get the whistle, you get.

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Speaker 2: All the terms, you know, you can you can, you

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Speaker 2: how much you listened to the program. I heartily endorsed

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Speaker 4: But at no point of I said it's over.

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Speaker 2: Well, we'll have him redefine the terms so we're all

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Speaker 2: I am curious to get your view when it comes

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Speaker 3: And they brought him in, as you know, Dan, this

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Speaker 3: They brought him in because mentally and emotionally and understanding system.

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Speaker 1: This is hard to overcome. So it's just the fact

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Speaker 3: It's hoping they're probably going to see if Ryley Leonard

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Speaker 3: you milk it for five or six more years?

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Speaker 1: You could have?

439
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Speaker 3: But if that happened also, as you remember, and as

440
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Speaker 3: good as Brad was and turned out to be, and

441
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 3: love him, remember when they brought me back from Houston

442
00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:11,639
Speaker 3: and I went in there and had a week to prepare.

443
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 3: We played Green played in Green Bay. Then the next

444
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Speaker 3: week we had to beat San Francisco later in the year.

445
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Speaker 3: If you remember I was, I mean, I was on

446
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Speaker 3: the team at the beginning, at the beginning of the season,

447
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Speaker 3: but late in the year, Brad was a backup and

448
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Speaker 3: they had gone to me at the last game to

449
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Speaker 3: beat San Francisco go to the playoffs, and it was

450
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Speaker 3: nothing more than that. Being better than Brad, it was

451
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Speaker 3: a comfort zone. We beat the forty nine ers at

452
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Speaker 3: home and it was just simply the Syst haven't been

453
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Speaker 3: in the league longer.

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Speaker 1: That was it three years later.

455
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Speaker 3: They wouldn't have done that with me, they'd have kept

456
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Speaker 3: Brad in so and then Brad goes.

457
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Speaker 1: On and gets to the Super Bowl ring and the

458
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Speaker 1: rest of it elsewhere. So the people do that.

459
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Speaker 3: And it's more the mental side of having seen it

460
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Speaker 3: a million times, and Philip Rivers has seen it a

461
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Speaker 3: million more times than I have. But I wouldn't expect

462
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Speaker 3: a whole lot of vertical bandwidth in this game.

463
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Speaker 1: If he's playing.

464
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Speaker 4: And isn't he playing Seattle? Aren't they playing Seattle?

465
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Speaker 1: I believe.

466
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Speaker 4: So that's I mean, that's that's a damn good defense.

467
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Speaker 4: That's the other thing it is.

468
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you can make the argument outside of the Rams,

469
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Speaker 3: Yeah they' and they're ahead of the Rams of the

470
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Speaker 3: power rank you've had.

471
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Speaker 1: I think the Rams beat them.

472
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Speaker 3: That that that is the And then then Donald had

473
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Speaker 3: a rough one against and that is as good a

474
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Speaker 3: team as you as there is in the NFC. So

475
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Speaker 3: it's going to be I would imagine the ball is

476
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Speaker 3: going to come out quick. And if you're Philip, if

477
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Speaker 3: I was giving him anything, going to the right guy

478
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Speaker 3: to get it out quick rather and protect yourself.

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Speaker 1: Forty four ain't easy.

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Speaker 2: Are you familiar with the term regarding quarterback play pure progression.

481
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Speaker 3: Yeah, as opposed to coverage progression and.

482
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Speaker 4: Going through it the way it's the way it's been

483
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Speaker 4: explained to me. And you tell me if I have

484
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Speaker 4: this right?

485
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Speaker 2: Is it's it's it's a what's viewed as a quarterback

486
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Speaker 2: read system where the QB you look at receivers in

487
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Speaker 2: a fixed order.

488
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Speaker 4: You look place A on each point.

489
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:02,320
Speaker 2: You know whatever the play is, then you look B,

490
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 2: then you look see regardless of the defense.

491
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Speaker 4: And I bring it up because it's in all.

492
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Speaker 2: I mean, within the last several days, every Viking coach,

493
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Speaker 2: every offensive coach has been opining on it, a waxing

494
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 2: rhapsodic on it, saying it's the best way to quarterback

495
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Speaker 2: and to teach the position, and yet not everybody agrees.

496
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Speaker 2: Because I want to read you a Kurt Warner reaction

497
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Speaker 2: to all this. He says, it tries to combat combat

498
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 2: disguising coverages. But just because you can build a play

499
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:40,719
Speaker 2: your quarterback can read across the field, does that mean

500
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Speaker 2: it's more effective?

501
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Speaker 4: And I argue the opposite.

502
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Speaker 2: The goal is to build a place to attack areas,

503
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Speaker 2: and quarterbacks need to read those areas, not know exactly

504
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 2: what coverage as a team is in you give keys

505
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,439
Speaker 2: and read bodies, the d still has to cover all

506
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Speaker 2: the same zones with the same number of people. We

507
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Speaker 2: often over complicate things. So he seems to be talking

508
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Speaker 2: about favoring something else. Can you make some as a

509
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 2: former quarterback who pays attention to this stuff, makes sense

510
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 2: of all of this and where you reside?

511
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I it's ironically you're saying this.

512
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Speaker 3: And first of all, I'm on the Kurt Warner side,

513
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Speaker 3: which is a great argument we've had. Kurt Warner and

514
00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 3: I were the only two non full time coaches that

515
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,680
Speaker 3: were invited to that twenty coordinator Offense Defense coording the think.

516
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Speaker 1: Tank in Florida.

517
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Speaker 4: I talked about Okay, we had.

518
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Speaker 3: This conversation a year and a half ago at that

519
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:29,479
Speaker 3: very house, a lot of college coaches and a lot

520
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 3: of the guys from Phil Longo and coaches who put

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Speaker 3: it on.

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Speaker 1: I think the coach you put it on.

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Speaker 3: We're all this house going over just stuff, and I'm

524
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Speaker 3: the you know, old school three digit system.

525
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Speaker 1: We read coverage, not receivers.

526
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Speaker 3: Okay, and so then now I get it because I've

527
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 3: seen the shift and how do it? You know, my

528
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 3: good buddy Nolan MAZONI boom progression and pure progression. Kurt

529
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Speaker 3: Warrener and I come from North Turner, Brian Billick, Tom Moore,

530
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:58,159
Speaker 3: where we're not stare at the receiver. We're looking at

531
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Speaker 3: coverage and angles and you know, leverage and zones and

532
00:27:01,800 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 3: if it's man and you got the window. This is

533
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Speaker 3: the truth is this is dumb it down for the

534
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Speaker 3: quarterback because if you're.

535
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Speaker 1: Not reading coverage, you're staring in that guy's not open.

536
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Speaker 1: Get to the next receiver. Now it's worked.

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Speaker 3: If that's what you've brought up in if you could

538
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 3: skim a cat any way you want. I mean from

539
00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 3: the West Coast offense, the vertical passing game to the

540
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 3: I mean everybody is that. I feel more comfortable because

541
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 3: disguising coverage is part of it, but I feel like

542
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 3: it can make you late because I tell my quarterbacks

543
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Speaker 3: now they may be in a progression, but if.

544
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Speaker 1: They came to me, I'm teaching them to read coverage.

545
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,520
Speaker 3: Now, if they put it this way, it's like being

546
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 3: under center your whole life and getting in the gun

547
00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 3: fairly easy mechanically, because well, I've been under center.

548
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,160
Speaker 1: That's harder mechanics. You're closer to the guys you can't see.

549
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 1: Is clear.

550
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 3: It's tougher to go from all time gun to under

551
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 3: center because of just the mechanics are covered gun. The

552
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 3: gun actually preaches lazy mechanics because you're already five yards

553
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,959
Speaker 3: of you kind of take it for granted.

554
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Speaker 1: It's the same thing with this.

555
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 3: It is a and when I say dumb it down,

556
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:05,320
Speaker 3: doesn't mean the guy's not dumb or not smart, but

557
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 3: it's allowing them to just go, dude, you're going to

558
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 3: x z y well for or you know x y

559
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 3: aren't running.

560
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 1: Back, or who h yes for.

561
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Speaker 3: Kurt Warner and I argued this, and he made a

562
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 3: louder argument for this.

563
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: I am okay, I dropped back. The middle of the

564
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: field's closed, and we got what that would mean. Folks.

565
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 3: Just to make it simple, if there's a safety standing

566
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: in the middle of the field, and we're calling that

567
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 3: all vert where everybody runs, two goes on the outside

568
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 3: of those two seams on the inside right, and.

569
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Speaker 1: We'll have a back check down.

570
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 3: So if I come to line scrimmage, they'll say go

571
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 3: hy hy checkdown to the R. For me, I'm going

572
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 3: middle of field closed. Okay, I hold the safety. I'm

573
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 3: going to either attack the right or the left scene.

574
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 3: But I'm not going by the receiver. I'm going by

575
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Speaker 3: the city. By the leverage of the coverage. Safety stays

576
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 3: in the middle of the field and they or they

577
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 3: rotate away. I'm going opposite rotation because I got numbers bammed.

578
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: Now I'm going to throw there. Sam gets underneath it,

579
00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 3: checked down. See for me, I we ours this progression,

580
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 3: but it's it's it's coverage progression, not the pure progression

581
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,440
Speaker 3: you're staring. Basically, to make it easy, the quarterbacks fixed

582
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,800
Speaker 3: on you go one, two three, Here, I want this

583
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 3: guy x Z and checked down to the R.

584
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 1: Kurt Warner and I come from all right, we got

585
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: we gotta dig.

586
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 3: We got an inside seem a dig on the outside

587
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 3: and it checked Hi, all right, cool, we come back.

588
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:32,240
Speaker 3: Safety gets deep, middlefield closed. The Sam linebacker runs under that. Okay,

589
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: the dig it's not there because Mike got a little

590
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 3: depth or worked weak and came on the backside dig.

591
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 1: And so we have a guy running a shallow to

592
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: replace Mike.

593
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 3: I'm going, oh, Mike got underneath it, Boom the guy

594
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 3: that replaced him.

595
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 1: I can teach both. I'm with Kurt Warner. I think

596
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: that you the.

597
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 3: Dumb down system because how many guys you see staff

598
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 3: their head over the in college and it goes to

599
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 3: the NFL looking over there and the guy's holding up

600
00:29:56,160 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 3: the signs and hey, no, I think you I. I

601
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: think it's much easier and easier to get to progressions

602
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 3: for me because we've always told receiver to the coaches.

603
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,280
Speaker 3: I mean a quarterback to do what Dan see coverage.

604
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 3: You know, feel pass us, but don't stare your receiver down.

605
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 3: But if you're telling me pure progression, say throw it

606
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 3: to Z on the dig first, but you're just looking

607
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 3: at grass. Well, what happens if you're looking at grass

608
00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 3: and the Sam linebacker gets fourteen yards of depth and

609
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 3: is underneath it, and then all Sam's there, you got

610
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:31,440
Speaker 3: to reset and go to the next guy. Maybe you're

611
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 3: late to window two because you hung a little longer

612
00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 3: on the other one. Sometimes, if I'm playing cover two,

613
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 3: Dan two corners rolled up with two safeties over the top,

614
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,720
Speaker 3: and we're running hitch routes on the outside, that's off

615
00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 3: unless there's a roller, you know, outside up in the

616
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 3: whole shot. Okay, the cover jarred. He told me the

617
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,560
Speaker 3: outside hitches off. Now I'll just go work inside and

618
00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:54,600
Speaker 3: check out those to your mom in the stand. So

619
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:56,960
Speaker 3: it depends on how you've learned it. We've done with

620
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 3: all this spread offense, they do it a lot like that.

621
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 3: I'm more of Kurt Warner. I want to know the

622
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,959
Speaker 3: coverage because there's only so much he can do. If

623
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 3: you're going here, you got to balance it out. If

624
00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 3: that guy leaves, somebody's replacing Sam goes there to hook Curl.

625
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 3: I ought to even know that we're going to replace him.

626
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 3: And I'm reading the hook. Oh he got under it.

627
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 1: Van flat. Oh there's a corner of the flat checkdown. Simple.

628
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 3: The coverage is telling me where to throw the football

629
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: with them. Their eyes are going to grass, but they're

630
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 3: going to the receiver.

631
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Speaker 1: I prefer to.

632
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 3: Oakie dope the receiver with my eyes and knowing that

633
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: it's covered three and they rotated strong. I got a

634
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 3: backside come back to a shallow cross or Alls I'm

635
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 3: doing is reading Will. If Will gets underneath it, I'm

636
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,880
Speaker 3: throwing the shallow. If he doesn't, I'm pumping the twenty

637
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: yard comeback.

638
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 1: Simple. I could teach both. I know both, I like both.

639
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:46,719
Speaker 3: But if I was teaching a quarterback in any system,

640
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 3: they're learning coverage first. I want to know the conflict.

641
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 3: Once I find the conflict, I can teach you the

642
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 3: answers to the test.

643
00:31:53,360 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 2: So the counter I think from Vikings coaches is the

644
00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: number one way defenses have changed is they've become a

645
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 2: lot more sophisticated about their disguises.

646
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 4: And this is an attempt.

647
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,400
Speaker 2: To take away the the I guess you could say

648
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: confusion about not really understanding what the coverage is because

649
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 2: the disguises are so good.

650
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 4: What would you say to that.

651
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: Well, I'd say you better study more the this guy listen,

652
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 3: there's only eleven cats on the field with Jack Lambert,

653
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 3: Andy Russell and Jack Ham and Mel Blunt and Joe

654
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 3: Green or the Purple People Eaters and Paul Kraus, and

655
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 3: that I would say that we've been disguising coverages forever. Well,

656
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: one thing they can't disguise. Here's the deal. We bring

657
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 3: what we call analytics down, which is evidence. It's the

658
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 3: same thing as game planning. We go into a game

659
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 3: and we know Brian Flores blitz this eighty percent of

660
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,320
Speaker 3: the time when you cross the forty going in there,

661
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,360
Speaker 3: a coordinator and the quarterback on. I know that eighty

662
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 3: percent of the time we're calling man beaters. There's eleven

663
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,960
Speaker 3: guys in field. Like I said, if you're playing sound

664
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:06,880
Speaker 3: football and they disguise, Okay, they disguise, but I can't

665
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 3: disguise a blitz.

666
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna make it easy.

667
00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,959
Speaker 3: If the strong safety's coming, somebody's got to cover up

668
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 3: for him. They're not gonna keep a dog on free

669
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: safety twenty two yards deep because if you do that,

670
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:20,280
Speaker 3: I'll just throw a hot he'll catch it in space.

671
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,520
Speaker 3: That's too easy. That's like shooting fish in a barrel.

672
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 3: I ain't ever done it before, but I imagine it's easy.

673
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 3: And I imagine people in Minnesota would think it's easy too,

674
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 3: because they like to fish. So I get it that

675
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 3: it allows the quarterback I'm throwing. It takes out some

676
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 3: indecision of disguise. But if I'm doing what I'd rather

677
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 3: do this, I'd rather know more. Even if I was

678
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 3: pure progression, don't I want to know what takes it away.

679
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 3: I gotta know the conflict. So basically, if that's the case.

680
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: My game plan can stay the same every week. We're

681
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 3: gonna run, dig, we're gonna run, curl flat, We're gonna

682
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 3: do it all. But instead of reading coverage, I'm just

683
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 3: gonna in the quarterback throw into space and if he

684
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 3: hangs too long, and sometimes it can work because you're

685
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 3: hanging along.

686
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: Sometimes we get off a guy too quick and he's

687
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:04,560
Speaker 1: coming around in the pure progression throats. I get it,

688
00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: I do get it.

689
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 3: But to me, basically, what you're saying is, it ain't

690
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,399
Speaker 3: like we've added fifteen guys. They're faster and the rest

691
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 3: of it, but they're still When you go in motion

692
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 3: and guy doesn't follow, you, guess what we're playing most

693
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 3: of the time zone defense. So I get it, but

694
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 3: it sure as hell doesn't guarantee success. I know one thing,

695
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 3: if I know the conflict, meaning what the defense is.

696
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 3: And yes, they're going to fool you once in a

697
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 3: while they are, but I know I'm more well prepared.

698
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 3: If I go into an SAT test knowing I've having

699
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 3: studied the problems, I'll have a better chance at the answers.

700
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 3: But when I go in there, basically I have to

701
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 3: say I'm looking here if that guy's open. I'm throwing

702
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 3: the grass, But if it's a non moving route, you're

703
00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: not throwing the grass.

704
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 1: You're throwing to the player.

705
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 3: So we' are your eyes at the player, which tells

706
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 3: me you're not disguised enough with your eyes to move

707
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:58,960
Speaker 3: guys because you're going player, not coverage. So there's advantages

708
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 3: and disadvantages to both. I prefer to know the foundation

709
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 3: of the house, not just the cosmetic structure.

710
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,840
Speaker 2: I feel like I'm attending an online course at Quarterback University.

711
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 3: Really, you really love it, man, if you would, It's

712
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: one of those things I've always said, wouldn't it be great?

713
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,880
Speaker 3: You and I are sitting in a room and myself

714
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 3: and Kurt Warner and Brad and Warren Moon, former Vikings

715
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,520
Speaker 3: and former players. Did we had like a docu series

716
00:35:27,560 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 3: where it was like where were twelve of us are

717
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 3: sitting there? We got a whiteboard when filmed and we're

718
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 3: just talking and rolling tape.

719
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: Well, why I wish THEYD role tape.

720
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 3: At this at our week long you know, at the

721
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 3: think type because the stuff you learned about RPO and

722
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 3: what defensive guys are thinking and why they attack this

723
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 3: and how they're disguising it's complicated, but in truth, it's

724
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 3: a really simple game when you really get down to.

725
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:54,879
Speaker 1: The forty nine.

726
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 3: We talked about this back when Bill Walsh and when

727
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,719
Speaker 3: North Turner and Jimmy Johnson were in Dallas and Bill

728
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 3: and say Francisco, everybody thinks they ran seventy five different

729
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 3: ways a game. Yes, the truth of the matter is

730
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 3: they may have four hundred of them in the library

731
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 3: we all put in during training camp. But you know

732
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 3: what they're running like anything, and you have your favorite

733
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,839
Speaker 3: golf shirt, right, you may wear three or four different ones,

734
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 3: but we will always go to our go two favorite geens.

735
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: Well that coordinators take the same lamp both sides, so

736
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 3: you get twelve passes in five runs.

737
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,719
Speaker 1: But you know what we do on offense, just dress

738
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: them up.

739
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 3: You just get a little more window dressing, more formations,

740
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,359
Speaker 3: more personnel groupings, but the play and the read are

741
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 3: the same.

742
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,640
Speaker 1: It's just a different body at times. Doing it to me,

743
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,399
Speaker 1: I would to me.

744
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 3: Just pure progression makes me feel like I'm being guided

745
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 3: along by a coach during a game, standing out there

746
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: with opposed to and I always tell my quarterbacks, I said,

747
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:51,279
Speaker 3: prepare as if the coach doesn't is never going.

748
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: To make it.

749
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 3: He's sick, can't make the game. You're calling your own

750
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:58,399
Speaker 3: game down one. Okay, well i'd like to know. Well, great,

751
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,919
Speaker 3: even if you're a peer progression, I still want them,

752
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: just like I want him to know how to take

753
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: a stamp under center in the gun, and yes, you

754
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 3: would get a It would be fascinating to sit down

755
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 3: and talk about it. I also want to do something

756
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 3: where I get all the back to like ten backup

757
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 3: quarterbacks in the room.

758
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: And talk about that role. We don't do enough of that.

759
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: Great.

760
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: I think it'd be awesome. We're all talking to the stars,

761
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: talk to the guys.

762
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:22,839
Speaker 3: When we went through the talk about the backup, well,

763
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 3: Max went through it a couple of weeks ago. You

764
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 3: don't get any work and then you finally become the

765
00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:31,360
Speaker 3: starter your expectations. So I think it'd be a fascinating

766
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 3: as well. But both systems work, but you got to

767
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 3: have Kurt wouldn't be comfortable running what we're talking about

768
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 3: because he want. Kurt is a grinder and he'll argue

769
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 3: till the end with the I'm telling you, I love it,

770
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,080
Speaker 3: and I'm with him. I'm saying guys, we well you

771
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 3: guys think NFL wise, Yeah, we do.

772
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: But there's not wrong.

773
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 3: Plenty of colleges are running NFL systems and vice versa.

774
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 3: It's just who you're reading.

775
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 1: I'd prefer to know where the defensive guys as opposed

776
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: to just grass J.

777
00:37:56,160 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 2: McCarthy played better last week. Is that because he made

778
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:09,520
Speaker 2: better decisions? Is it because they simplified what he had

779
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:12,840
Speaker 2: to do, or is it they were playing one of

780
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 2: the worst defenses in the National Football League.

781
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 3: I think that you could probably split them or you know,

782
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 3: when I say make thirty three thirty thirty three and

783
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:24,200
Speaker 3: get to I do and watching it, they weren't overly,

784
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 3: you know, not a bunch of huge but what do

785
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 3: you feel for like a buck seventy? But he was

786
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:33,280
Speaker 3: more accurate, right, He seemed more decisive. The Washington's reeling

787
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 3: obviously not only the quarterback side with his injuries, but

788
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 3: reeling on the just as a team they're not the

789
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 3: same in their defense is completely you know, they're in disarray.

790
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:48,440
Speaker 3: I thought he made good decisions. It felt like Kevin

791
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 3: was keeping it simple after him being out with concussion,

792
00:38:51,400 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 3: So simplify it. And the biggest thing is when you're

793
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 3: decisive and you know where to throw it and didn't

794
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 3: turn it over. I think it's only the second time

795
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 3: all year they'd had a clean game and they were

796
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 3: putrid in the plus minus territory. I don't eve remember

797
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 3: where it was going in, but I'm watching the game

798
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 3: thinking I thought they were bunched in the league, in

799
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 3: the YEA in the minus Arris territory. And so if

800
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 3: my memory serve me right, and so they protected. Listen,

801
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 3: you protect the ball and play good defense like pitch

802
00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 3: a shutout. To my knowledge, Dan, maybe you can help me.

803
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 3: But the team that scores more points than the other

804
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 3: team wins one hundred percent of the time. So when

805
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:32,360
Speaker 3: your defense, which has been pretty solid all year, pitches

806
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 3: that shut up, and then you do your thing and

807
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 3: go not turn it over and give somebody who's who's

808
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,839
Speaker 3: really a short field and some confidence, things usually turn

809
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 3: out well.

810
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: They haven't done that enough.

811
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,280
Speaker 3: So winning the turnover battle the quarterback, protecting the ball

812
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:51,800
Speaker 3: and just being efficient is always it will always travel.

813
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 1: Then if you run somebody who's doing the.

814
00:39:53,520 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 3: Same thing, well, then you're gonna have to make three

815
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 3: or four plays on defense on an offense that didn't

816
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: make a difference run after the catch, after it was

817
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,760
Speaker 3: a tackle break, a few tackles down at the goal.

818
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:03,560
Speaker 1: Line, whatever it is.

819
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 3: So I thought, not spectacular offensively, but efficient enough to

820
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 3: stay in and they didn't put their defense in a

821
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 3: buying turning it over and then you turned Brian's defense

822
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:14,680
Speaker 3: loose and you saw the result.

823
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, going into that the Washington game, the vikings of

824
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:24,799
Speaker 2: the turnover takeaway differential was minus fifteen.

825
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was somewhere in the team.

826
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 4: It's ridiculous.

827
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 2: They improved a minus twelve on the but that goes

828
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:31,840
Speaker 2: to show you they are three to zero in this

829
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 2: game and still are well into double digits. The only

830
00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 2: team worse right now the Jets. The Commanders are right

831
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: behind them at minus eleven as well.

832
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and how are those two teams doing that? Not

833
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 1: at all. They're going home early too when the season

834
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: is over.

835
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: So it's a novel concept that if you protect the

836
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 3: ball and you've got great defense, at least you have

837
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:56,839
Speaker 3: a chance in every game.

838
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: So we talked at the start of the show about

839
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:04,760
Speaker 2: this is you could argue a fairly media driven story

840
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:07,800
Speaker 2: at this point, but I think I sort of understand

841
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: why the speculation has begun on it. And it was

842
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: Schefter responding and reacting to Joe Burrow speaking very philosophically

843
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,319
Speaker 2: in a way that I think has opened the door

844
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: to uh oh, is that is that the first sign

845
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:25,640
Speaker 2: what's going to be an orchestrated effort to try to

846
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 2: get the hell out of Dodge, in this case Dodge

847
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,960
Speaker 2: being Cincinnati, Ohio. So and I and I said, you know,

848
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 2: any any team that's looking for a quarterback, the speculation

849
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,560
Speaker 2: if he might be available, is going to start, right.

850
00:41:40,600 --> 00:41:44,600
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's it's it's inevitable, including here, until

851
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: McCarthy puts together enough games where you say, we're not

852
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 2: messing with that anymore. As good as he is, we

853
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,200
Speaker 2: got our guy, we're gonna stick with it. We're not

854
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: going to spend that kind of money.

855
00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 4: Blah blah blah. But Burrow, I'm curious to get your review.

856
00:41:56,160 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 2: My assumption you believe that you believe Burrow is still

857
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 2: one of those guys that if he becomes available, there's

858
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 2: gonna be a lot of quarterback whisperers are going to say, well,

859
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 2: what's what's it gonna cost?

860
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 4: We have to look into that.

861
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 2: What do you think is going to happen there, And

862
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 2: what do you think of him at this point in

863
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:10,800
Speaker 2: his career?

864
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: Damn, there's five You know, there's one negative about Joe

865
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 3: Burrow is the injuries.

866
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, that that's it.

867
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: That there is nothing else not to like going into

868
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:21,759
Speaker 3: this pressman, nothing else not to like.

869
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,840
Speaker 1: Now that's a big one. If he can't stay healthy.

870
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,759
Speaker 3: But it's amazing the guy hurt, you know, but when

871
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 3: he's hurt, but he always comes back faster.

872
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 1: You know, the toe was supposed to be another bunk.

873
00:42:30,200 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 3: He's back his injuries, come back from me and he's

874
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 3: been a comeback Player of the Year twice. That's all

875
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 3: you need to know right about the guy could play.

876
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you there's only four or five teams

877
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 3: in the league that if Joe Burrow's available. When when

878
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 3: he's on the field, you're you're you're making a phone

879
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 3: call cincinn if he's available, rest and the Vikings are won,

880
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 3: right if the Biking, If the Vikings could.

881
00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: Get Joe Burrow.

882
00:42:53,480 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 3: While I may love JJ McCarthy, in five years from now,

883
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 3: he may be great. If he has the career Joe

884
00:42:58,320 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 3: Burrows had already, he'll be happy. I'm just telling you

885
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 3: into a Super Bowl. The guy's an MVP candidate every year,

886
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,239
Speaker 3: is getting paid all this money. Yes, no disrespect to

887
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:13,239
Speaker 3: JJ McCarthy. Joe Burrow immediately slides into McCarthy regardless of

888
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 3: the Viking's plans. Becomes your backup quarterback if they were

889
00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 3: both there at the same time. Now, I love Burrow.

890
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 3: I think, aside from Brady, when he's on the field,

891
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 3: there's no better pure pocket. Pocket understands the manipulation of

892
00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 3: the pocket presence, and he's got some wiggle he can escape,

893
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:34,840
Speaker 3: as we saw in college, and before he's heard the

894
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,440
Speaker 3: fact that Cincinnati Bengals are putrid defensively, that can't and

895
00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 3: the front office has not made an investment in keeping

896
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 3: your seventy million dollars a year or whatever he's getting

897
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,560
Speaker 3: paid now quarterback upright and giving you a chance. They

898
00:43:48,560 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 3: put money in the perimeter. But I can tell you this,

899
00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:51,720
Speaker 3: you can play seven on seven.

900
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: All you want.

901
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,400
Speaker 3: We'll score forty I went through this with USC and

902
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 3: with Caleb Williams. They score forty four and you still lose.

903
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 3: It looks pretty, but man alive. You're still going home.

904
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 3: And coaches get fired and defensive coordinators get fired. Burl's

905
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:07,080
Speaker 3: a great talent and a great player, and I'd stand

906
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 3: in line for him that you hit it. I've never

907
00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 3: seen him like that, Dan, I never have. I was

908
00:44:13,880 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 3: shocked by it. Actually, now, I'm not making fun of

909
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 3: mental health. You know, some people will got the oh

910
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: he's soft. I had a bud buddy of mine who's

911
00:44:20,680 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 3: like bothered by because it was his favorite player and

912
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 3: he knows football, and he didn't expect to see that

913
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 3: from Burl because the optics the Burrel you know, normally

914
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,399
Speaker 3: Joe say and he beats to a different drum. He's

915
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 3: kind of low key anyway, surfer low key, but I've

916
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:37,800
Speaker 3: never seen him to the point where he felt defeated

917
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 3: as an honor off the field as well, a little

918
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 3: bit of bold, you know.

919
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:44,040
Speaker 1: It just felt like, and.

920
00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:46,760
Speaker 3: I have a hunch Dan in Cincinnati, and I'm serious

921
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,920
Speaker 3: about this, that those conversations not just with Joe but

922
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 3: with a lot of their good players take place every day.

923
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 3: We just saw this one at a press conference and

924
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,319
Speaker 3: Joe didn't hide at this time. Do I think there's

925
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 3: a chance that Cincinnati needs to move on? I do,

926
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 3: because cause there are eight players away from being eighty players.

927
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 1: If you want to get value.

928
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 3: Why he's healthy, you're better because when he's upright, everybody

929
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 3: respect everybody you saw even last week, comes in, plays

930
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 3: plays out of his mind. He plays really good football

931
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,400
Speaker 3: for the most part. They just can't stave off and

932
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 3: win the game. What was in Baltimore, right, Yeah, I

933
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 3: think it was Baltimore. He can't stave them off. So

934
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 3: I was shocked. I am a little concerned now if

935
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 3: there's serious men, you know, if there's something going on

936
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 3: in his person life.

937
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:28,840
Speaker 1: I hope it's okay.

938
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 3: If it's just football and the Cincinnati Bengals and all

939
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:34,160
Speaker 3: the injuries that have got him down, I hope we're

940
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 3: not looking at Andrew Luck again, where Joe's finally his

941
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 3: competitive he is, and Luck was competitive, said you know

942
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 3: what I've had If they're not going to commit to it,

943
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 3: and it will not shock me if this is also

944
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 3: led to you, like like you say, with all this

945
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 3: player empowerment, asking out honestly, and if he does and

946
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 3: Cincinnati accommodates him, they're gonna get a Hall of players

947
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,200
Speaker 3: and he's gonna go somewhere. But if you're Joe Burrow,

948
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 3: you're probably saying, just don't send me. There's a handful

949
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: the places, and I don't know you mention them. You know,

950
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,200
Speaker 3: I don't want to go play there. I'm already going

951
00:46:03,239 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 3: through it here. So I've never seen Burrow like that,

952
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 3: which is cause for concern because you got to pay

953
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 3: attention even though you're struggling. The one place is because

954
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 3: he's held in high regard. You got to make sure

955
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:17,240
Speaker 3: that the guys around you aren't feeding off that. They'll

956
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 3: know that it's just the press conference, because we're always

957
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 3: looking for that guy to elevate. Not to add to

958
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 3: the Cincinnati's blows and Joe's feeling it, but to ask

959
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 3: Burrow to continue to be, you know, giddy and happy

960
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 3: all the time and not allowed to go through frustration,

961
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 3: that's not fair either, But just Joe's probably got to

962
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 3: temper that. But I think from the look and the

963
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,640
Speaker 3: answers to his questions, there's cause for concern whether Joe

964
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 3: Burrow is long term for hopefully the NFL is going

965
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 3: to be around, but long term for Cincinnati. And if

966
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 3: you're Cincinnati and you're going to do this and blow

967
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 3: it up, that's where you start, and you'll get a

968
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 3: lot for him and somebody else will be very grateful,

969
00:46:55,160 --> 00:46:58,319
Speaker 3: and I'm not sure right now Joe would care too much,

970
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 3: would care if they moved him on right now?

971
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:02,200
Speaker 2: I don't want to turn this into too much Joe

972
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 2: Burrow hotline. But I had a stat that the guards

973
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 2: he found for me earlier, that I had heard about

974
00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,200
Speaker 2: that I need an explanation on. So, he's played seventy

975
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:14,800
Speaker 2: three game regular season games. He has thrown for almost

976
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 2: twenty thousand yards, seven point four yards per attempt, one

977
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 2: hundred and forty eight touchdowns, forty eight picks. But here's

978
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 2: the stat that I had not I guess realized in

979
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 2: seventy three games, he's been sacked two hundred and three times,

980
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 2: which seemed incredible to me. So does that mean I

981
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 2: mean they haven't had any protect he has no protection,

982
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 2: or he holds onto the ball too long, or how

983
00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:41,000
Speaker 2: do you explain that kind of stat for a guy

984
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 2: who's viewed as a top five quarterback.

985
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 3: Well, think about this a lot of times. Some of

986
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,279
Speaker 3: our best most who led the league in sacks a

987
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 3: couple of years ago, close Russ Wilson, Yeah, he did well.

988
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 3: Caleb Williams, some of our most mobile players. And you

989
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,600
Speaker 3: know why that is aside from the fact that those

990
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:03,920
Speaker 3: guys like Kyla Wiibs get drafted high by a bad team,

991
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 3: Hits White gets to be the first pick of the draft,

992
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:09,399
Speaker 3: and you're trying to build it right. But also add

993
00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 3: to that, young players, guess what happens. You bail into

994
00:48:13,160 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 3: your strength through your crutch. First guy's not there, pure

995
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 3: progression possibly, and you go make a play because you

996
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 3: know you can bail yourself out of it. Burrel's not

997
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 3: a statue. Burrows have Phil rivers. Burrele can buy time.

998
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,800
Speaker 3: You saw him and he's not going to beat you

999
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 3: run in four or five, but he's really good at understanding.

1000
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:31,839
Speaker 1: How to do it.

1001
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 3: So those guys at times will run into it young

1002
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:38,200
Speaker 3: and they'll run into sacks because they hold it. We

1003
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,399
Speaker 3: saw Chador do it in his first two starts. It's

1004
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 3: just normal. You're like, uh, what you lean to your

1005
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 3: strength in times of dress.

1006
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:48,000
Speaker 1: As it rolls on, you start to realize, oh, All's

1007
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: I going to do a slide step.

1008
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 3: Because I said he's got as good as pocket presence

1009
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,240
Speaker 3: as anybody that's come out of college in my opinion

1010
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 3: since bringing But what happens is the more look what

1011
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 3: happened to CJ Strad with all the hits he took

1012
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 3: last year and this year he has struggled to get

1013
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 3: back to his rookie year. Rookie year that kind of

1014
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 3: kept him up right, playing free and easy, and he

1015
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,000
Speaker 3: still has his head on the past rush at times.

1016
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: He's getting better back again.

1017
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:11,839
Speaker 3: So with Burrow, I think it's a combination early on

1018
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,560
Speaker 3: of knowing teams not good and you'll use your ability

1019
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:16,520
Speaker 3: to try and run out of them.

1020
00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:19,240
Speaker 1: But watching them, Dan, this.

1021
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 3: Is eighty eighty five percent people not knowing who to

1022
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 3: get and had to get him, and they just get

1023
00:49:25,160 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 3: overwhelmed and crushed at the line of scrimmage.

1024
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 1: They are not good.

1025
00:49:30,200 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 3: And since Whitworth was about the only one they had

1026
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 3: that regularly could do something he's broadcasting, he's still may

1027
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:37,920
Speaker 3: be their best offensive minement.

1028
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 1: But you know what's crazy is what also happens.

1029
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 3: Dan, You get hit in the face enough times, you've

1030
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:45,880
Speaker 3: got two choices, sit there and keep getting hit or

1031
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 3: hit back. So what happens is you sit there and say, well,

1032
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:50,360
Speaker 3: how am I going to help this team get to

1033
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 3: the next level?

1034
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: I keep taking sacks? So what do you do?

1035
00:49:54,080 --> 00:49:56,000
Speaker 3: You hold the ball split second longer hoping you can

1036
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 3: get Jamar Chase into the next window right, so the

1037
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 3: collateral damage it goes with. Early sacks can ruin some

1038
00:50:01,719 --> 00:50:04,840
Speaker 3: guys stop ruined him. But some of the best players

1039
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 3: we've ever had, either mobile or pocket passers, have been

1040
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:11,240
Speaker 3: sacked a lot. Not everybody gets the Manning Brady treatment

1041
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 3: when it comes to protection with the way they did

1042
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,400
Speaker 3: it because they knew how to build it. Cincinnati still

1043
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 3: doesn't get it on how to build it because you

1044
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:22,240
Speaker 3: saw him with protection at LSU. Now go do LSU.

1045
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:26,239
Speaker 3: Different story about ball coming out and getting hit. So

1046
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:28,440
Speaker 3: a lot of it has to do with they're just

1047
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 3: They're just a bat there they should be playing at

1048
00:50:30,760 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 3: times on Friday night with their offensive line.

1049
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:34,239
Speaker 4: Excellent discussion.

1050
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,719
Speaker 2: Next week, if we have you, I'm hoping we'll have

1051
00:50:38,719 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: a chance to talk about your your new job. Many

1052
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 2: that you do it sounds like you're excited about it,

1053
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,800
Speaker 2: sounds like heck on an opportunity.

1054
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 4: But I've blown right through a break.

1055
00:50:47,560 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 3: So oh, I don'kay, no, go man, we'll do it.

1056
00:50:49,520 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 3: I'm not people up. I love the conversation.

1057
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:52,879
Speaker 1: We'll do it next. We'll be back at three thirty

1058
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: next week.

1059
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 4: US standing. Thanks my friend. Thanks Dan, all right, but

1060
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:56,160
Speaker 4: excell went to.

1061
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: Work from Sean Salisbury. Let's come back and get caught

1062
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:01,280
Speaker 2: up for the top of the hour. It's always hard

1063
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 2: to stay on the clock schedule. When Shawn joined