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<v Speaker 3>And away we go, 6.07 on a Thursday night. If

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<v Speaker 3>it's Thursday, it must be the roundtable show, and we

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<v Speaker 3>are at Longnecks in Wilder this week, the start of

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<v Speaker 3>a three-week run. The cavalcade of football conversation took us

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<v Speaker 3>to the Hebron spot for the first three weeks. We

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<v Speaker 3>loved that setup. It's their brand-new location there and loved it.

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<v Speaker 3>They took care of us, and now we hit three

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<v Speaker 3>weeks here in Wilder. We kick it off tonight. We

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<v Speaker 3>love this place. I think this is the very first

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<v Speaker 3>place Wilder We did this show, if I remember correctly.

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<v Speaker 3>But then again, we can't remember how long we've been

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<v Speaker 3>doing this show, so I'm not sure on that. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>Lance McAllister. He is Rocky Boyman. You have your steak

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<v Speaker 3>tip quesadillas? Tri-tip quesadillas with fried pickles. You're ready to go?

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<v Speaker 2>They have ordered every time the last two years.

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<v Speaker 3>You are a man of consistency. There's no question about that.

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<v Speaker 3>We have stuff to give away tonight. We have a

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<v Speaker 3>shirt we're going to give away each week from Long Necks,

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<v Speaker 3>and we have a picture. The picture of T. Higgins

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<v Speaker 3>behind the bar will be given away our third week

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<v Speaker 3>at the end of our run. And what's going to

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<v Speaker 3>take place, our servers tonight have raffle tickets.

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<v Speaker 2>Ask for one. Fill it out.

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<v Speaker 3>Drop it in the bucket up here by the setup.

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<v Speaker 3>At 9 o'clock tonight, 9 o'clock end of the show,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll do the drawing. Got to be here to win

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<v Speaker 3>the shirt. And then all the raffle tickets tonight are

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<v Speaker 3>held and kept and then added over the next two

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<v Speaker 3>weeks into one big pot. And at the end of

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<v Speaker 3>the three-week run, we give away that ticket. T. Higgins

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<v Speaker 3>print to the winner. They'll have to be here three

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<v Speaker 3>weeks from tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, do we have.

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<v Speaker 3>Things to get to. This must be a big night

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<v Speaker 3>because one, Casey's here. Two, Kelly's here. So that's big itself.

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<v Speaker 3>Russ Jackson is producing tonight. That's big. First time doing

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<v Speaker 3>the roundtable show. We have Mike Mills here to our

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<v Speaker 3>left taking care of us. And of course we have

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<v Speaker 3>Fran and his lovely wife Phyllis, and they brought us

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<v Speaker 3>candy tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>So all is well. But I see you're trying to

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<v Speaker 2>steal mine. You're like both of them hidden behind you.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I thought, okay, I didn't see. Yeah, well, that's yours.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought that I didn't realize I stuck mine behind here.

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<v Speaker 3>Because I thought Casey was going to take it. So

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<v Speaker 3>I was hiding it from Casey, actually.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, man, we have a lot to get to.

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<v Speaker 3>Because there's a loss to sort through. And there's a

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<v Speaker 3>rather significant game on Sunday coming up. to get to,

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<v Speaker 3>I think I should do some headlines.

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<v Speaker 4>Hit it.

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<v Speaker 3>Because there is a boatload of stuff. Let's start with

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<v Speaker 3>a baseball note. Phil Castellini, Nick Kroll, and Brad Mentor

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<v Speaker 3>met with the media this morning. Phil indicating the team

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<v Speaker 3>will not be sold because, quote, they haven't accomplished what

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<v Speaker 3>they set out to do. He added he's 100% behind

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<v Speaker 3>the front office saying, quote, we need baseball guys to

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<v Speaker 3>make baseball decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>I would agree with that.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think they should hire baseball people who know

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<v Speaker 3>baseball decisions.

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<v Speaker 2>Different baseball people, yes. Side note, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>Nick Kroll said Derrick Johnson, who took a personal leave

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<v Speaker 3>of absence in June, will not be returning. Search for

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<v Speaker 3>a new pitching coach is underway. They plan to overhaul

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<v Speaker 3>their pitching department structure. Assistant hitting coach Will Remillard won't

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<v Speaker 3>be retained. That will certainly fix the hitting, Rocky. And

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<v Speaker 3>Kroll said the Reds need to be better at signing

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<v Speaker 3>mid-tier veteran free agents because there's nothing.

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<v Speaker 2>Quite sounds like a sales pitch.

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<v Speaker 3>To a fan base or a pending free agent says

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<v Speaker 3>we need to be better at signing mid-tier veteran free agents.

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<v Speaker 2>Just lie. Make me feel better a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Exactly right. We're going to look for the best talent available.

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<v Speaker 3>As opposed to the best mid-tier veteran talent in free agency.

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<v Speaker 3>Bengals got back on the practice. You just can't make

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<v Speaker 3>it up sometimes. Bengals got back on the practice field

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<v Speaker 3>today and got to continue to work on Jacksonville. Here

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<v Speaker 3>is the injury update. Limited today. Jordan Battle and Brian Cook.

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<v Speaker 3>Dalton Reisner did not practice. Kyle Duggar did not practice.

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<v Speaker 2>B.J.

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<v Speaker 3>Hill did not practice.

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<v Speaker 2>And D.J.

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<v Speaker 3>Turner pops up on the injury list.

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<v Speaker 2>Limited today. With an ankle.

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<v Speaker 3>There's a lot to monitor going into Sunday. Evan McPherson,

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<v Speaker 3>named September AFC Player of the Month, Special Teams Player

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<v Speaker 3>of the Month. He converted all eight field goal attempts,

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<v Speaker 3>including five from at least 50. The Joey Porter saga

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<v Speaker 3>ends in Pittsburgh. Traded to the Cowboys in the middle

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<v Speaker 3>of the night. Steelers get a 2027 sixth round pick

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<v Speaker 3>and a 2028 second round pick in return. Thursday night football,

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<v Speaker 3>those Steelers are in Cleveland to take on the Browns.

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<v Speaker 3>Winner gets first place. In the AFC North, 7.30 coverage

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<v Speaker 3>on Fox Sports 1360. UC Bearcats heading to or in

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<v Speaker 3>the desert as we speak. They'll take on Arizona Saturday night,

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<v Speaker 3>11 o'clock kick here on 700 WLW. Chad Brendel checks

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<v Speaker 3>in at 7.06 tonight with a preview. College basketball, the

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<v Speaker 3>Xavier Musketeers pick sixth in today's Big East preseason poll.

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<v Speaker 3>UConn tabbed as the favorite, followed by St. John's, Villanova, Marquette,

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<v Speaker 3>and Providence. NKU hoops today, announcing a public... exhibition against

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<v Speaker 3>UT Martin, set for 5.30 on October the 14th at

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<v Speaker 3>Truist Arena. Playoffs, game three, winner go home tonight for

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<v Speaker 3>the Phillies and Braves in Atlanta. The Yankees, Padres, and

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<v Speaker 3>White Sox each swept their series. This weekend, the Padres

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<v Speaker 3>are at the Brewers, White Sox at the Guardians, Yankees

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<v Speaker 3>at the Rays. And the Dodgers will get the winner

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<v Speaker 3>of the Philly Braves game tonight. And hockey, the Columbus

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<v Speaker 3>Blue Jackets, open the season at home to Buffalo. All right,

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<v Speaker 3>those are your headlines. Let's get into the Bengals. And, Rock,

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<v Speaker 3>I needed to get to this point of the week

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<v Speaker 3>because it's like the turning point of the conversation because

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<v Speaker 3>the first part of the week and from 4 o'clock on,

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<v Speaker 3>it left me frustrated because it feels like that was one–

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<v Speaker 3>they needed and should have had and didn't get. And

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<v Speaker 3>I just don't like things that you miss an opportunity

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<v Speaker 3>on because then it becomes the potential to be something

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to have to chase and something that haunts you.

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<v Speaker 3>I just think they should have won the football game

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<v Speaker 3>on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>Turnovers, special teams, disasters, missed tackles, and an offense that's

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<v Speaker 2>still not looking like it's in full form. The missed

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<v Speaker 2>tackles thing I think was... the most glaring, right? Because

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<v Speaker 2>that seemed like it had been fixed all through camp,

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<v Speaker 2>all through the first two weeks looked pretty good. I

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<v Speaker 2>even thought, I thought even more so than that, just

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<v Speaker 2>the inability to get off blocks at the second level

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<v Speaker 2>was bad. And then the turnover situation that the special

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<v Speaker 2>teams blunders is something that was bad as well.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and it just, I got a vibe at times,

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<v Speaker 3>it felt like we were flashing back to last season

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<v Speaker 3>with the defense. And it just felt like the They

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<v Speaker 3>were past that. And I have to keep reminding myself

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's just three games in. And just because you

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<v Speaker 3>start to know doesn't mean you're going to win a

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<v Speaker 3>game like that. I think we tend to lose sight

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<v Speaker 3>of the fact that every game is like one. There's

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<v Speaker 3>17 seasons. It's individual games. And what happened one week

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<v Speaker 3>has no bearing on the next week.

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<v Speaker 2>And it just.

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<v Speaker 3>It. 2-0 had given us so many things to believe

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<v Speaker 3>were different. And I'm not saying those were all wrong

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<v Speaker 3>or they're a mirage. It just caused, at least it

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<v Speaker 3>caused me to say, okay, pause. take a step back,

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<v Speaker 3>now let's reassess this situation. It maybe isn't as good

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<v Speaker 3>as we thought, but at the same time, by Wednesday,

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<v Speaker 3>I think we have to understand it's not as bad

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<v Speaker 3>as it may have felt at 4 o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and this is a division matchup, and these are

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<v Speaker 2>always going to come down to one possession or something

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<v Speaker 2>late in the fourth quarter. These teams play each other

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<v Speaker 2>so much, and I think a lot of the Aaron Rodgers'

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<v Speaker 2>washed-up talk was obviously a little bit premature here. He

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<v Speaker 2>came out and looked really, really good. So, yeah, then

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<v Speaker 2>you combine that with just a couple mistakes here and

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<v Speaker 2>some penalties, and we got what we got.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, you're talking about it. We talked last

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<v Speaker 3>week on the show, and the sense leading up to

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<v Speaker 3>it was, man, that Steeler offense, there's not much there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, one touchdown.

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<v Speaker 3>Aaron had basically thrown Mike McCarthy under the bus during

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<v Speaker 3>the week and basically said, I have to do a

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<v Speaker 3>better job of explaining to our coaches what's not working offensively. Like, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 3>there you go. A little passive-aggressive there. And then after

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<v Speaker 3>all of that, they dropped 411 yards of offense on

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<v Speaker 3>the Bengals in that first drive. It's boom, they're on

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<v Speaker 3>the board, and I'm thinking... Wait a minute. They had

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<v Speaker 3>one touchdown in 25 drives, and they've scored on the

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<v Speaker 3>opening drive today and then scored on their second drive.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was like off-tackle play, big run, big run,

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<v Speaker 2>big pass up the sideline. Two minutes into the game,

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<v Speaker 2>we're like, what's going on? Early in that game, I

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<v Speaker 2>remember thinking about it looked like Aaron Rodgers was upset

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<v Speaker 2>at the play call or the play call wasn't coming in.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, they look like they're in disarray here until

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<v Speaker 2>the ball was snapped. Everything was working pretty good.

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<v Speaker 3>When we come back, I want to, because we're putting

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<v Speaker 3>to rest Sunday, I've got three things I have to

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<v Speaker 3>get off my chest. And I'm going to need you to,

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<v Speaker 3>if not hold my hand, but just say relax a

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<v Speaker 3>little bit. Because there's three things since Sunday that I've

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<v Speaker 3>been unable to let go. And you know me. When

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to there, there are some things I

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<v Speaker 3>can't let go. And when they're related to Zach Taylor,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes I really can't let him go. So we'll get

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<v Speaker 3>into those and then we'll start looking ahead to the, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>The game on Sunday. No drags this week. He's on assignment,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll say. But we have Chad Brendel tonight from Bearcat

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<v Speaker 3>Journal coming up at 7 o'clock. We'll get into things next.

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<v Speaker 3>He is Rocky. I'm Lance. Hey, if you're out and about,

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<v Speaker 3>what better place to stop by and hang out, enjoy dinner,

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<v Speaker 3>and catch some Bengals football conversation than Longnecks and Wilder.

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<v Speaker 3>We're hanging out at Longnecks and Wilder. He's Rocky. I'm Lance.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks for being with us. A reminder, the show brought

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<v Speaker 3>Let me work through three things with you. This will

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<v Speaker 3>be a little therapy session. I need to put it

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<v Speaker 3>behind me and move on. But we'll address them in

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<v Speaker 3>the form of our Hot Topic of the Week, brought

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<v Speaker 3>the field. We'll present it as coaching decisions on Sunday. First,

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<v Speaker 3>the punt block call. Bengals are up 20-17, third quarter.

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<v Speaker 2>They're up.

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<v Speaker 3>Steelers are facing fourth and six at their own 41.

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<v Speaker 3>And the Bengals... Darren Simmons called for a punt block

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<v Speaker 3>and said Johnson was flagged for roughing the kicker. Steelers

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<v Speaker 3>keep possession and go on to score and go up 24-20.

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<v Speaker 3>To me, I understand the value of a punt block

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<v Speaker 3>and being aggressive. I also think there has to be

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<v Speaker 3>a time and place and the risk and reward. The

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<v Speaker 3>Bengals decided to roll the dice on that play rather

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<v Speaker 3>than simply take the ball when it was punted back

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<v Speaker 3>to them and hand it to Joe and Jamar and T.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the first time they had stopped the Steelers' defense

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<v Speaker 3>on the day. The Steelers weren't backed up into their

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<v Speaker 3>own end zone. To me, it just seemed like something, hey,

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<v Speaker 3>we got a defensive stop. Our offense is rolling. They've

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<v Speaker 3>scored in four of the last five possessions. Let's just

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<v Speaker 3>double-team the Gunners. Let's do something to set up a return,

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<v Speaker 3>and we're going to have Joe and the offense cooking

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<v Speaker 3>down And Darren Simmons rolled the dice on a punt block,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's a roughing the punter and possession to the

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<v Speaker 3>Steelers and points from the Steelers. Is my concern valid?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. When's the last time the Bengals blocked a punt?

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<v Speaker 2>Couldn't tell you. I thought I read it was 2013.

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<v Speaker 2>That sounds right. Yes. Something like that. Look, to me

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<v Speaker 2>it comes down to this. I think you want to

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<v Speaker 2>be solid in special teams. It truly is a third

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<v Speaker 2>of the game.

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<v Speaker 5>But.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have a– you use your return game if

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have a powerful offense, right? To use an

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<v Speaker 2>ancient example, right? We played the Bears in the Super Bowl, right,

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<v Speaker 2>in 2006. Rex Groshen was their quarterback. They didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>a great offense, so they needed to generate– yards and

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<v Speaker 2>points via the special teams game. That's why they get

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<v Speaker 2>Devin Hester and he does what he does. We have

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Burrow and T. Higgins and Jamar Chase. Get them

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<v Speaker 2>the ball. Safely get them the ball. We don't need

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<v Speaker 2>to worry about a ton of returns. or punt blocks,

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<v Speaker 2>or generating explosive plays in the special teams game when

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<v Speaker 2>you have an offense as good as the Bengals have.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, to me, it just set up as the perfect scenario. Wow,

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<v Speaker 3>the defense has gotten a stop. We're going to get

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<v Speaker 3>the ball back. I'm thinking if I'm Zach Taylor and

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<v Speaker 3>Joe's going to have the ball first and ten, And, again,

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<v Speaker 3>time and place.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand.

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<v Speaker 3>There's moments. Hey, if the punter is backed up to

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<v Speaker 3>the back end line and space is short, go try

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<v Speaker 3>to block that thing. If you're trailing late, if you

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<v Speaker 3>don't have anything going on, but it just seemed like

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<v Speaker 3>the risk and reward was out of balance to go

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<v Speaker 3>for the punt. And I, because I like numbers, Rock,

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<v Speaker 3>I looked it up. And last year, there were... 1,958

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<v Speaker 3>punts in the NFL. Now, I have no way of

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<v Speaker 3>knowing how many times a punt block was actually called

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<v Speaker 3>on the play. I just know that only nine of

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<v Speaker 3>1,958 punts last year were blocked. That computes to, by

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<v Speaker 3>my Butler math, 0.46% of the time a punt was

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<v Speaker 3>blocked last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Not a high percentage. Not a high percentage. And between

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<v Speaker 2>that and then the muff punt, I mean, say it

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<v Speaker 2>out loud. Joe Burrow and this offense get two less possessions.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Can't have it. Can't have it. More times than not,

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<v Speaker 2>he's going to generate some offense when he gets more chances.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, so first one out of the way. I

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<v Speaker 3>put it behind me.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good.

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<v Speaker 3>You were very calm in keeping me calm, and I

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<v Speaker 3>liked it.

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<v Speaker 2>Try.

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<v Speaker 3>Number two. The game is tied. Bengals have it fourth

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<v Speaker 3>and two basically at midfield. 739 left in the game.

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<v Speaker 3>And Zach opted to punt. And he said, we were

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<v Speaker 3>going to pin the Steelers deep and trust our defense.

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<v Speaker 2>And my thought was, well.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait a minute. What had the defense done to make

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<v Speaker 3>you trust him at that. They'd given up almost 400

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<v Speaker 3>yards of offense that day. You have the ball at midfield.

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<v Speaker 3>It's fourth and two. Earlier in the game on fourth

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<v Speaker 3>and two, Joe went to Mike Gesicki for 25 yards

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<v Speaker 3>and a touchdown. Earlier in the game on fourth and two,

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<v Speaker 3>they went 21 yards to Jamar Chase. I would, again,

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<v Speaker 3>back to trust, I'd have much more faith in Joe

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<v Speaker 3>Burrow operating fourth and two at midfield than punting the

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<v Speaker 3>ball back to the Pittsburgh Steelers and asking my defense

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<v Speaker 3>to finally get a stop. Am I wrong?

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<v Speaker 1>No.

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<v Speaker 2>How much do you know? do the Bengals use analytics

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<v Speaker 2>and the analytics book and all that?

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<v Speaker 3>I know this. They've added to that aspect of the

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<v Speaker 3>organization in recent years.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, because I feel like that scenario, right, fourth and

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<v Speaker 2>two on your own 49, when I call college games,

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<v Speaker 2>more times than not, they go for it. Yes. 20

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<v Speaker 2>years ago, they wouldn't. But now, more times than not,

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<v Speaker 2>that fourth and two, 50-yard line, that is 100% green

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<v Speaker 2>on the card of go for it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a great point because I have to believe whatever

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<v Speaker 3>they were looking at said– on Twitter, there's this punt

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<v Speaker 3>bot account, and it will show you after a decision

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<v Speaker 3>is made what the probability was. I've got to go

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<v Speaker 3>back and look at that because I would think the

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<v Speaker 3>probability would say– Go for it at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>It makes me think that they don't use it or

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't trust it or, yeah, trust his defense.

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<v Speaker 3>At that point, I trusted Joe more than my defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Same scenario as I said earlier. When you have

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<v Speaker 2>a powerful, and again, now this hasn't been the most

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<v Speaker 2>explosive offense, but history has shown this is an explosive offense.

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<v Speaker 2>If you have that.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>You go for it. If you have a lower tier,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got a backup quarterback and you've got nobody to receive, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>that factors into it. But, A, I will not believe

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<v Speaker 2>that the analytics said punt that ball there. And number two,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it did, you say, God, I feel pretty

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<v Speaker 2>good about our offense. And to your point, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>feel great about our defense the first two weeks, but

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<v Speaker 2>not today. All right, one more.

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<v Speaker 3>Might not be able to squeeze it in before the

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<v Speaker 3>bottom of the air completely. I may have some residue

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<v Speaker 3>left over on this. But the final drive, I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if you're like me, but I'm thinking when the

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<v Speaker 3>Bengals get the ball back, I said, all right, for

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<v Speaker 3>all that's happened today, Joe has the ball back with 2.14,

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<v Speaker 3>2.08 to go in the game.

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<v Speaker 4>You know what?

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<v Speaker 3>By damn, they're going to win this football game. And

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<v Speaker 3>before they even run a play, you see Joe looking

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<v Speaker 3>around demonstrative like basically what the blank is happening and time,

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<v Speaker 3>have to call a timeout because after a change of possession,

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<v Speaker 3>there was confusion on the personnel that Zach was putting

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<v Speaker 3>on the field.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it just can't happen, right? There's so many reps

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<v Speaker 2>and so much continuity there for that to happen in

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<v Speaker 2>that moment. Can't have it.

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<v Speaker 3>You have an opportunity coming off a change of possession.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, I mean, Zach, the offensive mind he is.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, leading up to that, he's got to be

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<v Speaker 3>thinking in his mind, we're getting the ball back here.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's what we're going to do. And yet, I think

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<v Speaker 3>it was Dante Myers ran initially, ran onto the field,

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<v Speaker 3>and then it was kind of, oh, and then he

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<v Speaker 3>turned and ran off the field.

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<v Speaker 2>As you know, once you.

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<v Speaker 3>Enter a substitution, then the ref pauses and let the

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<v Speaker 3>Steelers kind of match with their substitutions. And by that time,

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<v Speaker 3>the play clock is running down, and Joe's only option

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<v Speaker 3>was to call the timeout or.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, I know it's wasting oxygen for me to even

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<v Speaker 2>say this, but is this a scenario that could have

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<v Speaker 2>been fixed if there was a set play caller instead

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<v Speaker 2>of the head coach who's also worried about the game

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<v Speaker 2>and management and timeouts and all that?

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<v Speaker 3>I think that is a very fair thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, a coordinator. I imagine Zach does as well, but

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<v Speaker 2>he's got other things to think about.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>On third down of the previous series, he's like, we

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<v Speaker 2>get the ball back, we're coming out with this play

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<v Speaker 2>right here. Yes. Here's the formation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the personnel. Let's go. All right. We got through that.

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<v Speaker 4>Is that better?

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<v Speaker 3>I do feel a little bit better. I might have

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<v Speaker 3>a final thought to offer on the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Side on it. So you haven't let it go at all.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe not.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, final thought, I promise, before we get into

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<v Speaker 3>the defense.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, the last point.

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<v Speaker 3>One, and this was rough, on that final drive, Rock, the, what,

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<v Speaker 3>third play in, Joe throws, he's looking down, feel there's

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<v Speaker 3>nothing there, he turns and dumps off to Chase Brown,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's a four-yard loss. which at that point, I think,

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<v Speaker 3>and I heard T.J. Hushmanzada say this, so I'll defer

0:20:07.820 --> 0:20:09.230
<v Speaker 3>to him. He said, Joe's got to just throw it

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<v Speaker 3>in the ground. You're not going to take a four-yard

0:20:11.780 --> 0:20:13.620
<v Speaker 3>loss on that play. Just throw it in the ground

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<v Speaker 3>and move on. Not only do they lose four on

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<v Speaker 3>that play, 35 seconds tick off the clock before the

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<v Speaker 3>next play is run, which to me, one is difficult enough,

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<v Speaker 3>but you've lost four yards and you've lost 35 seconds

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<v Speaker 3>on that drive, and that's just....

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to just understand how that happened, though.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this is, again, a unit that knows each other,

0:20:38.950 --> 0:20:40.850
<v Speaker 2>has played a lot of football together. That's the thing.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the great point. The continuity is supposed to be

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<v Speaker 3>a plus for this offense.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, yeah. It's supposed to show up in situations like that.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, and less in, okay, you know, a receiver

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<v Speaker 2>catching a ball and all that, but more of like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>we're on the same page here. And I just don't

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, you know, Peyton Manning, that wouldn't have happened

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<v Speaker 2>at Peyton or– or Tom Brady, or, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not saying anything bad about Burrow, but I'm just saying, like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a critical situation in a game that already they

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<v Speaker 2>looked kind of sloppy in. All right.

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<v Speaker 3>I promise one final point because we talked about it

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<v Speaker 3>during the break. The idea of the value of yards

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<v Speaker 3>versus a timeout. And that initial timeout on the drive

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<v Speaker 3>was caused by the play clock was running down.

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<v Speaker 2>And Zach made a decision.

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<v Speaker 3>They called the timeout to prevent the delay of game.

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<v Speaker 3>So it would have been a penalty first and 15.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, no, no, no, call timeout. The debate this

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<v Speaker 3>week was the value you place on a timeout, having

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<v Speaker 3>another timeout, versus... having to go five more yards on

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<v Speaker 3>the drive, and the idea of, wait a minute, do

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<v Speaker 3>you really want to burn a timeout here if it

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<v Speaker 3>only means an extra five yards you're going to have

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<v Speaker 3>to gain, meaning pocket that timeout. Don't burn it because

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<v Speaker 3>you're going to need it later in the drive. How

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<v Speaker 3>do you view that scenario at the value?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a tougher one, but, I mean, if you just

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<v Speaker 2>look at it this way, what's more valuable, a timeout

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<v Speaker 2>of what you get three and a half or five yards,

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<v Speaker 2>which you seemingly– can get easier than not. I would agree.

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<v Speaker 3>Because once the timeout's gone, it's never coming back. You've

0:22:15.770 --> 0:22:17.649
<v Speaker 3>got a chance to make up five yards. And if

0:22:17.670 --> 0:22:20.320
<v Speaker 3>you're saying, do you feel Joe in this offense is

0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:23.620
<v Speaker 3>capable of converting from a first and 15? I would

0:22:23.660 --> 0:22:27.280
<v Speaker 3>say yes. I'll keep that timeout. I'm not going to

0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:30.300
<v Speaker 3>burn it here. Because we're going to go to win

0:22:30.340 --> 0:22:33.390
<v Speaker 3>this game, and there's going to be at least two

0:22:33.450 --> 0:22:35.429
<v Speaker 3>opportunities I'm going to need a timeout, and they were

0:22:35.450 --> 0:22:36.110
<v Speaker 3>only down to one.

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<v Speaker 2>At that point. Maybe less in that scenario, but more time.

0:22:39.170 --> 0:22:41.270
<v Speaker 2>I mean, take the Steelers and Aaron Rodgers. How many

0:22:41.310 --> 0:22:45.750
<v Speaker 2>timeouts did he burn? Yes. Two or three on seemingly

0:22:45.830 --> 0:22:51.379
<v Speaker 2>a first down play on backed up. And, again, I

0:22:51.430 --> 0:22:54.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of follow the use your timeouts in the second

0:22:54.540 --> 0:23:01.260
<v Speaker 2>and fourth quarter, not the first and the third. But– Yeah, that's... Okay, now.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm officially done.

0:23:02.660 --> 0:23:03.200
<v Speaker 2>Those were the.

0:23:03.680 --> 0:23:05.830
<v Speaker 3>That was the hot topic of the week. Three different things.

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<v Speaker 2>How many times, though, do you see in that scenario

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<v Speaker 2>a team just take the yardage instead of calling a timeout?

0:23:12.570 --> 0:23:14.410
<v Speaker 2>I feel like I don't see it. Maybe I'll notice it. Yeah,

0:23:14.430 --> 0:23:14.830
<v Speaker 2>you don't.

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<v Speaker 3>And I wonder how much of... I'd love to see

0:23:17.350 --> 0:23:20.310
<v Speaker 3>what the... Like the analytic aspect of all that and

0:23:20.369 --> 0:23:23.250
<v Speaker 3>weighing the value of the timeout versus the extra.

0:23:23.270 --> 0:23:24.770
<v Speaker 2>But they have those things now.

0:23:24.830 --> 0:23:28.770
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's... That's what I found very interesting. All right,

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<v Speaker 3>to the defense. We'll name our defensive player of the game,

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<v Speaker 3>We'll go with Jordan Battle, who came up with the

0:23:39.440 --> 0:23:42.280
<v Speaker 3>interception off the deflection on Sunday, and that leads us

0:23:42.340 --> 0:23:48.810
<v Speaker 3>into defensive conversation. Rock, it was concerning at the least

0:23:49.070 --> 0:23:49.590
<v Speaker 3>to see.

0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:53.800
<v Speaker 3>Time and time again, the Steelers get to the perimeter.

0:23:53.900 --> 0:23:57.060
<v Speaker 3>I'd love to see the next-gen breakdown. They do graphics

0:23:57.119 --> 0:23:59.220
<v Speaker 3>of where all the routes go and the runs go.

0:23:59.619 --> 0:24:01.980
<v Speaker 3>To see the number of total yards the Steelers got

0:24:02.380 --> 0:24:05.590
<v Speaker 3>on the perimeter and just time and time again. And

0:24:05.850 --> 0:24:07.830
<v Speaker 3>I guess it makes sense because if you're the Steelers

0:24:07.869 --> 0:24:09.930
<v Speaker 3>or any other team and you're watching the Bengals on tape,

0:24:10.750 --> 0:24:12.290
<v Speaker 3>my eyes go right to the middle and say, I

0:24:12.970 --> 0:24:16.209
<v Speaker 3>am not running at him. So it's like, no, go

0:24:16.250 --> 0:24:19.669
<v Speaker 3>this way or go this way. You shouldn't be able

0:24:19.710 --> 0:24:21.629
<v Speaker 3>to do it with the ease the Steelers did that

0:24:21.750 --> 0:24:25.560
<v Speaker 3>got them onto the perimeter. Why does that happen?

0:24:26.020 --> 0:24:28.399
<v Speaker 2>Well, it seems very simple when you look at it

0:24:28.460 --> 0:24:30.540
<v Speaker 2>just like that. Like, hmm, where would I rather run

0:24:30.560 --> 0:24:33.920
<v Speaker 2>the ball? Into the guy who's 400 pounds and a

0:24:34.100 --> 0:24:37.670
<v Speaker 2>multiple pro bowl guy or try to run an off tackle?

0:24:37.830 --> 0:24:41.860
<v Speaker 3>And is that ends crashing down and not setting the–

0:24:42.310 --> 0:24:43.010
<v Speaker 3>The perimeter?

0:24:43.030 --> 0:24:45.970
<v Speaker 2>It just looked to me that on the perimeter, there

0:24:45.990 --> 0:24:48.670
<v Speaker 2>was some wide zone and some off-tackle plays. It just

0:24:48.690 --> 0:24:51.300
<v Speaker 2>seemed like it was the Steelers' thought, and they were correct,

0:24:51.320 --> 0:24:53.699
<v Speaker 2>that they could get better leverage on the linebackers from

0:24:53.740 --> 0:24:56.369
<v Speaker 2>that position rather than trying to... You know, like an

0:24:56.410 --> 0:24:58.689
<v Speaker 2>inside zone run where they're blocking the line and then

0:24:58.730 --> 0:25:01.970
<v Speaker 2>walking up to the second level. But then, my wife

0:25:01.990 --> 0:25:03.490
<v Speaker 2>does too.

0:25:03.530 --> 0:25:04.550
<v Speaker 3>What is wrong with you?

0:25:04.650 --> 0:25:07.980
<v Speaker 2>On the outside, they have better angles and a cleaner

0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:09.900
<v Speaker 2>shot to get to the second level. Makes sense.

0:25:10.100 --> 0:25:13.919
<v Speaker 3>Makes sense. Russ, do not podcast that last 20 seconds.

0:25:14.000 --> 0:25:16.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't know what's happened to Rock. There's also this

0:25:16.700 --> 0:25:20.790
<v Speaker 3>aspect that I will admit, this isn't a second guess.

0:25:21.070 --> 0:25:23.530
<v Speaker 3>I wasn't even thinking of it until yesterday. Monday morning,

0:25:23.910 --> 0:25:25.650
<v Speaker 3>when I get up on Monday morning, the first thing

0:25:25.710 --> 0:25:28.250
<v Speaker 3>I do, I'm weird. On Mondays, I go to the

0:25:28.369 --> 0:25:31.830
<v Speaker 3>NFL game book online, and I print out the snap count.

0:25:32.270 --> 0:25:35.650
<v Speaker 3>They show you the game book of the entire game, drives, play-by-play.

0:25:35.930 --> 0:25:38.310
<v Speaker 3>The final page is snap count because I'm always interested

0:25:38.350 --> 0:25:41.030
<v Speaker 3>in who got what number of snaps, how they spread

0:25:41.070 --> 0:25:43.330
<v Speaker 3>out the snaps on the defensive line. And I'm looking,

0:25:43.490 --> 0:25:46.490
<v Speaker 3>and I'm writing down the ends and the interior on

0:25:46.540 --> 0:25:49.699
<v Speaker 3>the defense, and I said, wait a minute. Shamar Stewart

0:25:49.820 --> 0:25:50.860
<v Speaker 3>didn't get a snap.

0:25:50.940 --> 0:25:51.680
<v Speaker 2>And then I said, all right.

0:25:51.980 --> 0:25:54.600
<v Speaker 3>And I went back to the first page, which shows

0:25:54.700 --> 0:25:57.679
<v Speaker 3>who started, who played, and then there's a line, and

0:25:57.720 --> 0:26:01.740
<v Speaker 3>underneath it, did not play. And it was Flacco, somebody else,

0:26:01.920 --> 0:26:04.910
<v Speaker 3>and then Shamar Stewart. And I'm thinking... wait a minute,

0:26:05.270 --> 0:26:09.230
<v Speaker 3>Shamar Stewart was active and did not play a single

0:26:09.330 --> 0:26:14.080
<v Speaker 3>snap one week after making his season debut, playing five snaps,

0:26:14.100 --> 0:26:17.120
<v Speaker 3>he got a sack and two tackles, and I was

0:26:17.180 --> 0:26:20.590
<v Speaker 3>stunned he didn't take a snap, and I don't, I don't,

0:26:20.830 --> 0:26:23.270
<v Speaker 3>Zach's explanation was we've got a lot of good guys

0:26:23.330 --> 0:26:25.970
<v Speaker 3>on that line and there'll be opportunities, but I find

0:26:26.030 --> 0:26:27.310
<v Speaker 3>it hard to believe he didn't get a snap.

0:26:27.550 --> 0:26:31.230
<v Speaker 2>It just seems, it goes against the whole mantra of, wow,

0:26:31.290 --> 0:26:33.570
<v Speaker 2>the depth that we have on this defensive line. We

0:26:33.590 --> 0:26:36.129
<v Speaker 2>ought to rotate guys and keep them fresh. And if

0:26:36.150 --> 0:26:38.030
<v Speaker 2>you're going to have him active, why not use him?

0:26:38.050 --> 0:26:39.430
<v Speaker 2>If you're not going to use him, don't have him active.

0:26:39.430 --> 0:26:39.510
<v Speaker 4>100%.

0:26:39.510 --> 0:26:42.990
<v Speaker 2>There's got to be somebody else you could activate that

0:26:43.030 --> 0:26:45.149
<v Speaker 2>might contribute to the game. Yeah, I don't know if

0:26:45.190 --> 0:26:47.340
<v Speaker 2>that was, and it can't be an injury or else

0:26:47.359 --> 0:26:49.000
<v Speaker 2>they wouldn't have had him active. Exactly.

0:26:49.800 --> 0:26:53.060
<v Speaker 3>And I'll give him some credit. I don't believe that.

0:26:53.550 --> 0:26:55.990
<v Speaker 3>Al Golden forgot about him. Like, oh, damn, I forgot

0:26:56.030 --> 0:27:00.090
<v Speaker 3>Shamar was there. So I go back to, and I

0:27:00.109 --> 0:27:03.190
<v Speaker 3>guess this is concerning, it must have been a decision

0:27:03.260 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 3>that he truly wasn't one of the four best edge guys,

0:27:07.040 --> 0:27:09.859
<v Speaker 3>five guys that got snapped. So then we're back to

0:27:09.900 --> 0:27:13.419
<v Speaker 3>a bigger question. How is the former first-round pick, who

0:27:13.460 --> 0:27:15.820
<v Speaker 3>came back and is healthy to play, how is it

0:27:15.880 --> 0:27:19.700
<v Speaker 3>deemed that Cedric Johnson, a former sixth-round pick, Cassius Howe,

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:22.800
<v Speaker 3>a rookie this year, how is it deemed they got...

0:27:22.580 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 3>12 and 24 snaps and your former first rounder got

0:27:26.060 --> 0:27:28.200
<v Speaker 3>none because that that to me then says a lot

0:27:28.220 --> 0:27:30.100
<v Speaker 3>about how they view shamar.

0:27:29.800 --> 0:27:33.150
<v Speaker 2>Stewart well and and that's fine but but then don't

0:27:33.210 --> 0:27:35.210
<v Speaker 2>activate if you don't feel like he can play in

0:27:35.230 --> 0:27:37.910
<v Speaker 2>the game then maybe there's got to be another position

0:27:37.930 --> 0:27:40.070
<v Speaker 2>i mean you know you get 52 guys on game

0:27:40.090 --> 0:27:42.410
<v Speaker 2>day like you know you got to really you know

0:27:42.670 --> 0:27:45.210
<v Speaker 2>go in and look hard on who's going to contribute

0:27:45.650 --> 0:27:48.060
<v Speaker 2>and maybe that's a guy maybe that's a linebacker that's

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:51.219
<v Speaker 2>going to get Six special team snaps. It's better than

0:27:51.260 --> 0:27:53.950
<v Speaker 2>having a guy active and not standing there doing nothing.

0:27:54.090 --> 0:27:55.590
<v Speaker 3>While we're on the defense, I think it's going to

0:27:55.609 --> 0:28:00.450
<v Speaker 3>be interesting tomorrow with the next injury report because they've

0:28:00.490 --> 0:28:05.150
<v Speaker 3>lost Jalen Davis, their slot corner, which means Dax has

0:28:05.190 --> 0:28:08.650
<v Speaker 3>to go from outside in. DJ Ivy now takes over

0:28:08.690 --> 0:28:12.140
<v Speaker 3>a starting spot on the outside. Brian Cook, the communicator

0:28:12.180 --> 0:28:15.399
<v Speaker 3>and ringleader of that back end, is dinged up. Kyle

0:28:15.420 --> 0:28:18.300
<v Speaker 3>Duggar is dinged up. Jordan Battle's a little bit dinged up.

0:28:19.490 --> 0:28:22.390
<v Speaker 3>No matter who plays in what combination, I worry about

0:28:22.550 --> 0:28:25.100
<v Speaker 3>communication because when you've got a lot of moving parts

0:28:25.160 --> 0:28:27.760
<v Speaker 3>and guys in different spots, what can get lost is

0:28:27.780 --> 0:28:30.360
<v Speaker 3>the communication and understanding on the field where everybody's supposed

0:28:30.380 --> 0:28:30.640
<v Speaker 3>to be.

0:28:30.700 --> 0:28:33.210
<v Speaker 2>Especially if Brian Cook's not out there. He's the main

0:28:33.250 --> 0:28:37.450
<v Speaker 2>guy with all the experience and all that. And having

0:28:37.510 --> 0:28:40.290
<v Speaker 2>so many guys, you can... If one guy's got to

0:28:40.330 --> 0:28:44.400
<v Speaker 2>come out, you're out off about four names there.

0:28:44.420 --> 0:28:44.920
<v Speaker 3>Yep.

0:28:44.980 --> 0:28:45.620
<v Speaker 2>That's concerning.

0:28:45.820 --> 0:28:48.620
<v Speaker 3>Now, let me ask you this about Dax Hill from

0:28:48.840 --> 0:28:52.940
<v Speaker 3>just a purely personal standpoint for Dax. Because you could

0:28:53.020 --> 0:28:56.290
<v Speaker 3>argue they've kind of jerked him around in his time here.

0:28:56.330 --> 0:28:58.730
<v Speaker 3>He's been outside. He's been inside. They're moving here, moving there.

0:28:59.090 --> 0:29:01.710
<v Speaker 3>And he likes playing outside. Okay, that's great. You don't

0:29:01.730 --> 0:29:03.930
<v Speaker 3>always get what you like. But he's better outside than

0:29:03.970 --> 0:29:07.310
<v Speaker 3>he is inside. Because of the injury, he's going to

0:29:07.350 --> 0:29:10.870
<v Speaker 3>have to be forced inside. He's going to be a

0:29:10.930 --> 0:29:14.450
<v Speaker 3>free agent. There's more money to be had as the

0:29:14.630 --> 0:29:18.020
<v Speaker 3>outside guy, and he's more comfortable being the outside guy.

0:29:18.870 --> 0:29:21.410
<v Speaker 3>Take me inside the mind of a player, and I

0:29:21.450 --> 0:29:24.060
<v Speaker 3>guess you just have to make the concession. It's not

0:29:24.120 --> 0:29:26.480
<v Speaker 3>what I want, but it's best for the team.

0:29:26.500 --> 0:29:29.220
<v Speaker 2>What the team needs. And somebody who might.

0:29:29.080 --> 0:29:30.860
<v Speaker 3>Be looking at me on the outside is going to

0:29:30.920 --> 0:29:34.670
<v Speaker 3>respect that I did it to do what's best for

0:29:34.710 --> 0:29:37.870
<v Speaker 3>my team, maybe shortchanging my market.

0:29:37.550 --> 0:29:39.850
<v Speaker 2>Value as an outside corner. See what I'm saying? Yeah.

0:29:40.050 --> 0:29:41.530
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the only way you can look at it,

0:29:41.570 --> 0:29:43.650
<v Speaker 2>I would say the only way that's going to help

0:29:43.710 --> 0:29:46.940
<v Speaker 2>you as a player in the long run is certainly

0:29:46.960 --> 0:29:49.900
<v Speaker 2>isn't saying, well, I only play outside and screw you.

0:29:51.170 --> 0:29:53.870
<v Speaker 2>But what you should tell yourself, whether you really believe

0:29:53.890 --> 0:29:57.990
<v Speaker 2>it or not, is, hey, okay, I'm better outside than inside.

0:29:58.030 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 2>But if I show I can play inside, that's another

0:30:00.300 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 2>trait that I have. When it comes down to free agents. Flexibility.

0:30:03.160 --> 0:30:04.920
<v Speaker 2>And they're like, we like this guy and that guy. But, ah,

0:30:04.940 --> 0:30:06.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, he can do that too. He can do

0:30:06.520 --> 0:30:08.260
<v Speaker 2>that too. It's not his best thing, but he can

0:30:08.320 --> 0:30:10.380
<v Speaker 2>in a pinch. And you need that. You need to

0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:13.160
<v Speaker 2>have multiple skill sets with him. you know the fact

0:30:13.200 --> 0:30:15.660
<v Speaker 2>that these roster sizes on game day are so small

0:30:15.680 --> 0:30:16.000
<v Speaker 2>you gotta be.

0:30:15.980 --> 0:30:17.680
<v Speaker 3>Able to do a lot of things yeah i mean

0:30:17.780 --> 0:30:20.300
<v Speaker 3>in reality if you mope about it and maybe you

0:30:20.320 --> 0:30:21.660
<v Speaker 3>don't say i won't do it but if you mope

0:30:21.700 --> 0:30:24.100
<v Speaker 3>about it and more go through the motions that's only

0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:27.060
<v Speaker 3>going to show up on tape as somebody who is

0:30:27.100 --> 0:30:28.480
<v Speaker 3>a red flag to.

0:30:28.260 --> 0:30:30.740
<v Speaker 2>Any other team and that's a guy no coach wants

0:30:30.780 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 2>that that gets back that gets talked about you can't

0:30:33.660 --> 0:30:34.300
<v Speaker 2>have that all.

0:30:34.200 --> 0:30:36.420
<v Speaker 3>Right this is good we're 47 minutes in i gotta

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:39.140
<v Speaker 3>say if i were listening to this show i think

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<v Speaker 3>this was pretty damn good ain't bad yeah all right

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<v Speaker 3>he's He's Rocky.

0:30:42.450 --> 0:30:43.130
<v Speaker 2>I'm Lance.

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<v Speaker 3>When we continue, we'll talk about the significance of Sunday.

0:30:47.410 --> 0:30:49.670
<v Speaker 3>I thought the O-line was pretty good.

0:30:49.730 --> 0:30:50.030
<v Speaker 2>J.J.

0:30:50.050 --> 0:30:54.250
<v Speaker 3>Wallace barely heard from on Sunday. And some other news

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<v Speaker 3>and notes. He's Rocky.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Lance.

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0:32:15.290 --> 0:32:16.910
<v Speaker 3>don't want to leave out the offensive line. We were

0:32:16.930 --> 0:32:20.620
<v Speaker 3>talking defensive line in the last segment. O-line reduced T.J.

0:32:20.720 --> 0:32:23.240
<v Speaker 3>Watt to kind of an afterthought. If you get a

0:32:23.260 --> 0:32:24.760
<v Speaker 3>day where you kind of at the end of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Say, oh yeah, I didn't really think about T.J.

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<v Speaker 3>They must have been, and Going into the week, it was, oh, man,

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<v Speaker 3>Orlando Brown Jr., you're going to have to help him

0:32:32.870 --> 0:32:35.480
<v Speaker 3>and tight ends and chip and do all this. And

0:32:35.560 --> 0:32:39.360
<v Speaker 3>they survived that, survived it until the final snap. Unfortunately,

0:32:39.380 --> 0:32:42.690
<v Speaker 3>when Dalton Reisner admits it was his responsibility on the

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<v Speaker 3>play that Let the defender in.

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<v Speaker 2>Harmon Joe.

0:32:46.300 --> 0:32:49.010
<v Speaker 3>But on a day that many snaps against that line,

0:32:49.030 --> 0:32:50.890
<v Speaker 3>they won more than they lost.

0:32:50.910 --> 0:32:53.390
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you'll take that every day of the week.

0:32:53.410 --> 0:32:57.220
<v Speaker 2>That performance against, again, a great rusher and a great unit.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, a couple of things to close the hour. One,

0:32:59.220 --> 0:33:03.530
<v Speaker 3>this team suddenly has penalty problems. If anything, under Zach Taylor,

0:33:03.550 --> 0:33:06.750
<v Speaker 3>they've been a very disciplined team. Starting in his first year,

0:33:07.210 --> 0:33:10.970
<v Speaker 3>they have finished with the second fewest penalties, the fourth fewest,

0:33:11.150 --> 0:33:15.130
<v Speaker 3>the second fewest, the ninth fewest, the third fewest. This year,

0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:19.480
<v Speaker 3>the fifth most, 25 penalties in three weeks. And, Rock,

0:33:19.520 --> 0:33:24.220
<v Speaker 3>here's what's really frustrating. Eight false starts, pre-snap penalties. Eight

0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:28.040
<v Speaker 3>false starts. Four times we talked, they lined up offsides defensively.

0:33:28.060 --> 0:33:28.600
<v Speaker 2>That's impossible.

0:33:28.660 --> 0:33:32.720
<v Speaker 3>Three holdings, two offensive holdings, delay of game. But, man,

0:33:32.760 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 3>the pre-snap penalties are just killer.

0:33:34.700 --> 0:33:36.020
<v Speaker 2>Are you looking at my notes?

0:33:36.060 --> 0:33:36.620
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely.

0:33:37.200 --> 0:33:39.600
<v Speaker 2>I'll recite what Jeff Fisher would always hammer. He said,

0:33:39.620 --> 0:33:41.780
<v Speaker 2>we need to not have the penalties that are before

0:33:41.830 --> 0:33:45.100
<v Speaker 2>and after the whistle. So that's eight false starts. That's

0:33:45.140 --> 0:33:48.960
<v Speaker 2>defensive offside. Now look, okay, a defensive holding, you're playing hard,

0:33:49.000 --> 0:33:51.620
<v Speaker 2>that's going to happen. Two offensive holding, that's going to happen.

0:33:52.050 --> 0:33:53.990
<v Speaker 2>Delay of the game, you don't want. So, yeah, the

0:33:54.070 --> 0:33:56.770
<v Speaker 2>ones before and after the snap, you just can't have them.

0:33:56.850 --> 0:34:00.790
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and 25 of them, it seems like they've eliminated,

0:34:00.830 --> 0:34:03.250
<v Speaker 3>they've reduced what was going to be a touchdown drive

0:34:03.290 --> 0:34:05.709
<v Speaker 3>maybe to only a field goal drive or no points

0:34:05.770 --> 0:34:08.350
<v Speaker 3>or you keep the defense on the field. It's got

0:34:08.370 --> 0:34:10.850
<v Speaker 3>to be cleaned up from that standpoint. Here's the significance

0:34:11.550 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 3>of Sundays. and I said this earlier in the week,

0:34:14.800 --> 0:34:17.339
<v Speaker 3>I think there is a sizable gap between how we're

0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:21.500
<v Speaker 3>going to feel about the Bengals at 4-15 Sunday afternoon

0:34:22.000 --> 0:34:26.100
<v Speaker 3>if they are 3-1 compared to if they are 2-2.

0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:31.220
<v Speaker 3>Because let's understand, if they lose Sunday, that's two straight losses.

0:34:31.780 --> 0:34:34.980
<v Speaker 3>It's a home loss, and it's another loss in the

0:34:35.000 --> 0:34:38.719
<v Speaker 3>AFC situation. versus if you get to 3-1, I think

0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:42.140
<v Speaker 3>we'd all say, all things considered, 3-1, let's go. I

0:34:42.560 --> 0:34:45.529
<v Speaker 3>think there's a big shift in perspective on this team.

0:34:45.550 --> 0:34:45.810
<v Speaker 1>Huge.

0:34:46.310 --> 0:34:48.469
<v Speaker 2>And the Jags are a good team. I know we'll

0:34:48.489 --> 0:34:50.870
<v Speaker 2>get into them later, but they're a real team. They're

0:34:50.910 --> 0:34:53.649
<v Speaker 2>going to win the AFC South, if not a lot more,

0:34:53.730 --> 0:34:57.700
<v Speaker 2>playing really well right now. And I think the Steelers' loss,

0:34:58.739 --> 0:35:02.419
<v Speaker 2>it just hurts more because in your head, again, you're like, okay,

0:35:02.440 --> 0:35:05.299
<v Speaker 2>Aaron Rodgers washed up. They've scored one touchdown.

0:35:05.320 --> 0:35:05.390
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

0:35:06.020 --> 0:35:09.700
<v Speaker 2>Defense looks meh. If they were the Chiefs or the

0:35:09.780 --> 0:35:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Steelers of some years past, you could accept it, but

0:35:12.219 --> 0:35:15.220
<v Speaker 2>it really feels like it was an opportunity miss.

0:35:15.500 --> 0:35:18.319
<v Speaker 3>Because if the goal is, I think everybody thinks the

0:35:18.340 --> 0:35:22.270
<v Speaker 3>goal is to win the Super Bowl, your margin of error,

0:35:22.290 --> 0:35:24.850
<v Speaker 3>I just don't want this to be a game we're

0:35:24.890 --> 0:35:27.549
<v Speaker 3>looking at too often in years past, whether it was

0:35:27.610 --> 0:35:29.890
<v Speaker 3>week one against the Patriots a couple years ago, that loss.

0:35:29.910 --> 0:35:31.870
<v Speaker 3>How many times do we say during the show, man,

0:35:31.969 --> 0:35:35.310
<v Speaker 3>that loss is going to haunt this team forever? You

0:35:35.370 --> 0:35:37.870
<v Speaker 3>hope that a game like this past Sunday isn't the

0:35:37.930 --> 0:35:41.830
<v Speaker 3>difference between winning the division or not, or getting home

0:35:41.930 --> 0:35:45.029
<v Speaker 3>field or not, or being the one seed versus the

0:35:45.070 --> 0:35:48.560
<v Speaker 3>two seed, because ultimately, if that's the goal, then little

0:35:48.660 --> 0:35:51.939
<v Speaker 3>things like this are the difference between being at the

0:35:51.980 --> 0:35:53.420
<v Speaker 3>advantage to the disadvantage.

0:35:53.540 --> 0:35:55.760
<v Speaker 2>And that's a good point, because most of the teams

0:35:55.780 --> 0:35:58.460
<v Speaker 2>in the league, the goal was make the playoffs, and

0:35:58.480 --> 0:36:01.550
<v Speaker 2>then everything else we'll figure out. We have more lofty

0:36:01.610 --> 0:36:05.110
<v Speaker 2>expectations here, so it does come down to very important

0:36:05.150 --> 0:36:08.530
<v Speaker 2>things like first round bye, home field, and yes.

0:36:08.650 --> 0:36:12.410
<v Speaker 3>Can you imagine if one game ultimately is the difference

0:36:12.450 --> 0:36:16.600
<v Speaker 3>between hosting Buffalo or going to Buffalo for the playoffs?

0:36:16.960 --> 0:36:17.460
<v Speaker 2>Monster.

0:36:17.640 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:36:18.060 --> 0:36:19.140
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you look back and you go.

0:36:20.180 --> 0:36:23.280
<v Speaker 3>That game with Aaron Rodgers and the Steelers.

0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:26.440
<v Speaker 2>Don't get the roughy. Yeah, that's what it comes down to.

0:36:26.460 --> 0:36:29.180
<v Speaker 3>Now, can I give you some mathematical numbers related to

0:36:29.219 --> 0:36:29.840
<v Speaker 3>the playoffs?

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:32.050
<v Speaker 2>Because you know I'm in numbers. Yeah, by the way.

0:36:32.090 --> 0:36:32.640
<v Speaker 2>Ready for these?

0:36:32.890 --> 0:36:35.470
<v Speaker 3>These aren't mine. They're NFL numbers, but I love numbers.

0:36:36.230 --> 0:36:38.950
<v Speaker 3>There are nine teams right now in the NFL that

0:36:38.989 --> 0:36:42.450
<v Speaker 3>are 2-1. There's two tonight playing, the Browns and the Steelers.

0:36:42.550 --> 0:36:47.230
<v Speaker 3>There's two on Sunday, the Bengals and Jaguars. Since 2016...

0:36:47.850 --> 0:36:52.430
<v Speaker 3>Teams that go 3-1, start the season 3-1, make the

0:36:52.469 --> 0:36:54.930
<v Speaker 3>playoffs about 72%.

0:36:54.430 --> 0:36:57.750
<v Speaker 2>Of the time. That's a big number. Huge.

0:36:57.870 --> 0:37:02.489
<v Speaker 3>But, but, you're going to ask me, but Lance, what

0:37:02.530 --> 0:37:05.529
<v Speaker 3>if you're 2-2, what are your playoff odds?

0:37:05.950 --> 0:37:06.290
<v Speaker 2>Correct.

0:37:06.370 --> 0:37:08.070
<v Speaker 3>Rock, I'm glad you were going to ask that, because

0:37:08.130 --> 0:37:10.670
<v Speaker 3>that number... 41%.

0:37:11.570 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 2>Chops 30-something percent. From 72. Virtual certainty. To 41.

0:37:17.200 --> 0:37:20.720
<v Speaker 3>Less than a coin flip. That's the significance of Sunday

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:23.390
<v Speaker 3>at home against the Jacksonville Jaguars.

0:37:24.540 --> 0:37:25.880
<v Speaker 2>That's big. Mighty big game.

0:37:26.739 --> 0:37:29.549
<v Speaker 3>Rock everybody in the AFC North while I'm looking at it.

0:37:29.590 --> 0:37:31.590
<v Speaker 3>Let's go ahead and cover the AFC North. Brought to

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0:37:35.190 --> 0:37:38.950
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0:37:38.989 --> 0:37:45.450
<v Speaker 3>Branstetter's Kangaroo. Right now, the AFC North, everybody's 2-1. Steelers, Ravens, Bengals, Browns,

0:37:45.469 --> 0:37:48.820
<v Speaker 3>2-1 with the Browns and Steelers playing tonight on Thursday

0:37:48.860 --> 0:37:49.400
<v Speaker 3>Night Football.

0:37:49.719 --> 0:37:50.660
<v Speaker 2>How about the Ravens?

0:37:52.660 --> 0:37:55.779
<v Speaker 3>The Cowboys kick a field goal with seven seconds left

0:37:55.820 --> 0:37:58.950
<v Speaker 3>to tie the game, and everybody's thinking overtime. The kickoff

0:37:58.989 --> 0:38:00.650
<v Speaker 3>sails out of the end zone, and they bring it

0:38:00.670 --> 0:38:04.150
<v Speaker 3>all the way out to the 35. Lamar, with one pass,

0:38:04.510 --> 0:38:07.530
<v Speaker 3>throws it down to a 27-yard pass.

0:38:07.660 --> 0:38:08.160
<v Speaker 2>It's caught.

0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:13.379
<v Speaker 3>Lamar calls timeout. And the Ravens kick a 56-yard field

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:16.710
<v Speaker 3>goal on a seven-second drive to win the game.

0:38:16.830 --> 0:38:20.210
<v Speaker 2>Good clock management, good play. The whole deal. That was big.

0:38:20.510 --> 0:38:25.810
<v Speaker 3>It is the latest that a game-winning drive has started.

0:38:26.250 --> 0:38:28.150
<v Speaker 3>Seven seconds left when they got the ball back. It's

0:38:28.190 --> 0:38:31.110
<v Speaker 3>the latest a drive start to win a game began

0:38:31.330 --> 0:38:35.239
<v Speaker 3>since 1978, Rock. And one more for you. It's the

0:38:35.320 --> 0:38:38.490
<v Speaker 3>first time in the Super Bowl era that each team

0:38:38.830 --> 0:38:41.920
<v Speaker 3>kicked a field goal in the final 10 seconds of

0:38:41.960 --> 0:38:42.560
<v Speaker 3>a football game.

0:38:43.280 --> 0:38:44.580
<v Speaker 2>That seems impossible.

0:38:45.050 --> 0:38:46.110
<v Speaker 3>It was until Sunday.

0:38:46.170 --> 0:38:48.590
<v Speaker 2>That's why the NFL is so great, and these games

0:38:48.670 --> 0:38:51.270
<v Speaker 2>are so close. They come down literally to the wire,

0:38:51.670 --> 0:38:52.930
<v Speaker 2>almost every single one of them.

0:38:53.170 --> 0:38:55.509
<v Speaker 3>I will give Jim Nance credit for the line, and

0:38:55.530 --> 0:38:58.049
<v Speaker 3>he can be a little bit cheesy, but when the

0:38:58.110 --> 0:39:01.370
<v Speaker 3>kick sails through the uprights, they're playing in Brazil. He says,

0:39:01.530 --> 0:39:06.819
<v Speaker 3>it's a trio in Rio. Three field goal, Rio did it.

0:39:07.100 --> 0:39:09.339
<v Speaker 2>You know what? In every play-by-play guy in the country,

0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:11.920
<v Speaker 2>you're like, damn, that was good. What do you think

0:39:11.980 --> 0:39:12.660
<v Speaker 2>of that one?

0:39:12.700 --> 0:39:12.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:39:13.420 --> 0:39:14.879
<v Speaker 3>By the way, to close the hour, we've got a minute.

0:39:15.960 --> 0:39:17.900
<v Speaker 3>I think we were all prepared to leave the Browns

0:39:17.960 --> 0:39:21.100
<v Speaker 3>for dead and kind of mock them. And they go, oh, yeah,

0:39:21.340 --> 0:39:24.070
<v Speaker 3>Deshaun Watson. And Deshaun Watson's playing good. And all of

0:39:24.090 --> 0:39:27.110
<v Speaker 3>a sudden, Deshaun Watson leads a game-winning drive with 148

0:39:27.110 --> 0:39:31.540
<v Speaker 3>to go, and the Browns are 2-1. And building some confidence,

0:39:31.580 --> 0:39:32.440
<v Speaker 3>they beat the Panthers.

0:39:32.480 --> 0:39:34.580
<v Speaker 2>So who do you want to win tonight, Browns or Steelers?

0:39:34.640 --> 0:39:36.740
<v Speaker 2>And no, both teams can't lose.

0:39:36.860 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh, that's a really good question.

0:39:38.719 --> 0:39:38.980
<v Speaker 2>Let's see.

0:39:39.000 --> 0:39:43.930
<v Speaker 3>The Browns are home to the Steelers. So I want the.

0:39:44.730 --> 0:39:46.270
<v Speaker 2>And by the way, the Browns have not lost a

0:39:46.330 --> 0:39:50.100
<v Speaker 2>Thursday night game at home since 2000, like, Whoa.

0:39:50.840 --> 0:39:51.100
<v Speaker 3>Really?

0:39:51.120 --> 0:39:53.860
<v Speaker 2>I want to say like the 90s. Whoa.

0:39:54.180 --> 0:39:54.270
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

0:39:54.310 --> 0:39:54.669
<v Speaker 2>All right.

0:39:54.690 --> 0:39:56.390
<v Speaker 3>So, okay, now think about this because you put me

0:39:56.430 --> 0:39:59.509
<v Speaker 3>on the spot with this. I guess I'd like the

0:39:59.570 --> 0:40:03.970
<v Speaker 3>Browns to lose at home because it'd be a home loss.

0:40:04.010 --> 0:40:07.660
<v Speaker 3>You'd like to think a good team would pocket home wins.

0:40:07.739 --> 0:40:10.060
<v Speaker 3>If this is a loss, that hurts them more than

0:40:10.100 --> 0:40:11.780
<v Speaker 3>a Steelers team going on the road.

0:40:11.940 --> 0:40:14.920
<v Speaker 2>That's too complicated. I was looking for like a name,

0:40:14.980 --> 0:40:16.200
<v Speaker 2>like a Steelers or Browns.

0:40:16.950 --> 0:40:19.700
<v Speaker 3>So you're asking me to disregard analytics and just give

0:40:19.719 --> 0:40:20.200
<v Speaker 3>you an answer.

0:40:20.340 --> 0:40:20.560
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

0:40:22.780 --> 0:40:25.580
<v Speaker 3>I thought much more of you, Brock. I thought you

0:40:25.620 --> 0:40:26.380
<v Speaker 3>had quoted.

0:40:26.120 --> 0:40:28.180
<v Speaker 2>Him early in the show. You know what I'm going

0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:28.860
<v Speaker 2>to do?

0:40:28.980 --> 0:40:32.480
<v Speaker 3>You know what I'm going to do? During the top

0:40:32.500 --> 0:40:33.940
<v Speaker 3>of the hour, I'm going to make it a question

0:40:34.000 --> 0:40:34.440
<v Speaker 3>on Twitter.

0:40:34.739 --> 0:40:35.279
<v Speaker 2>Can I do that?

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:35.620
<v Speaker 4>Do it.

0:40:35.680 --> 0:40:38.509
<v Speaker 2>And then we'll get an answer. There you go. He's Rocky.

0:40:38.550 --> 0:40:39.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm Lance.

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<v Speaker 3>That's one hour down. I have no idea what's ahead.

0:40:42.870 --> 0:40:45.310
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0:40:45.330 --> 0:40:45.930
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0:40:46.250 --> 0:40:49.109
<v Speaker 2>We came here for this. Man, oh, man.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's talk UC football. By the way, I've changed my

0:42:12.550 --> 0:42:14.189
<v Speaker 3>mind on who I want to lose. I'll explain why

0:42:14.270 --> 0:42:18.009
<v Speaker 3>in a second. Very analytically inclined.

0:42:18.030 --> 0:42:19.190
<v Speaker 2>I changed my mind.

0:42:19.210 --> 0:42:21.129
<v Speaker 3>I ran some numbers in my head, and I've changed

0:42:21.170 --> 0:42:23.489
<v Speaker 3>my mind. I'll tell you in a second. Let's talk

0:42:23.570 --> 0:42:25.800
<v Speaker 3>UC football. Down 10-0 and 17-10 at home to Kansas State.

0:42:27.780 --> 0:42:31.650
<v Speaker 3>They win 31-26, now 4-0. They are in the desert

0:42:31.670 --> 0:42:35.029
<v Speaker 3>to take on Arizona Saturday night. 11 o'clock kick right

0:42:35.050 --> 0:42:39.489
<v Speaker 3>here on 700 WLW. For more on that, the man

0:42:39.530 --> 0:42:41.700
<v Speaker 3>who will be all over this and finding ways to

0:42:41.739 --> 0:42:45.719
<v Speaker 3>stay up late Saturday night, Bearcat Journal, Chad Brendel. How

0:42:45.739 --> 0:42:45.960
<v Speaker 3>are you?

0:42:48.060 --> 0:42:49.759
<v Speaker 4>Can we find a way for the Browns and the

0:42:49.780 --> 0:42:51.100
<v Speaker 4>Steelers to both lose?

0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:54.790
<v Speaker 2>No, I already took that off the table, Chad. I

0:42:55.130 --> 0:42:56.910
<v Speaker 2>was trying to go there, too, but we took that

0:42:56.950 --> 0:42:57.290
<v Speaker 2>off the table.

0:42:57.310 --> 0:42:58.810
<v Speaker 3>That would be the perfect scenario.

0:42:58.910 --> 0:42:59.310
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

0:42:59.330 --> 0:43:02.450
<v Speaker 3>All right, so a week ago when we were talking,

0:43:02.469 --> 0:43:05.009
<v Speaker 3>had I said to you, hey, Chad, I think they're

0:43:05.030 --> 0:43:09.500
<v Speaker 3>going to take Avery Johnson's legs away and I think

0:43:09.520 --> 0:43:12.140
<v Speaker 3>they're going to make him throw like 50 times, you

0:43:12.180 --> 0:43:14.240
<v Speaker 3>would have said I was crazy.

0:43:14.260 --> 0:43:15.419
<v Speaker 2>And that's exactly what they did.

0:43:17.140 --> 0:43:20.380
<v Speaker 4>Well, I would have said it was hard to do.

0:43:20.400 --> 0:43:24.969
<v Speaker 4>I don't know what. Do you remember the Baylor game

0:43:25.010 --> 0:43:25.549
<v Speaker 4>last year?

0:43:26.190 --> 0:43:26.450
<v Speaker 1>Yes.

0:43:27.050 --> 0:43:29.550
<v Speaker 4>When Baylor came in with the number one passing offense

0:43:29.570 --> 0:43:30.969
<v Speaker 4>in the country and tried to run the ball?

0:43:31.210 --> 0:43:31.470
<v Speaker 6>Yes.

0:43:31.910 --> 0:43:34.319
<v Speaker 4>I kind of felt like that. They ran Avery Johnson

0:43:34.989 --> 0:43:38.959
<v Speaker 4>six times. Like, if Avery Johnson's your quarterback and you

0:43:39.000 --> 0:43:41.239
<v Speaker 4>only run him six times, I don't think you're trying

0:43:41.280 --> 0:43:41.680
<v Speaker 4>to win.

0:43:41.700 --> 0:43:41.779
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:43:42.860 --> 0:43:44.020
<v Speaker 4>It doesn't make any sense to me.

0:43:45.890 --> 0:43:49.430
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make sense when coaches make decisions where you

0:43:49.469 --> 0:43:53.370
<v Speaker 2>don't do the best. You don't try to maximize the

0:43:53.430 --> 0:43:55.649
<v Speaker 2>best attributes of your players. It doesn't make sense.

0:43:56.930 --> 0:44:03.859
<v Speaker 4>Rocky, his footwork's terrible, right? He's at his worst when

0:44:03.880 --> 0:44:08.500
<v Speaker 4>he's standing in a clean pocket, scanning down the field.

0:44:08.560 --> 0:44:10.839
<v Speaker 4>He throws balls into the dirt. He sails the ball.

0:44:11.200 --> 0:44:14.359
<v Speaker 4>That's all footwork, isn't it? Because his arm, he's got

0:44:14.400 --> 0:44:15.299
<v Speaker 4>a great arm.

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:19.700
<v Speaker 2>And 50 pass attempts. Yeah, but you're right. For whatever reason,

0:44:19.739 --> 0:44:22.950
<v Speaker 2>he's just better when he's running around scrambling Creed and

0:44:22.969 --> 0:44:24.950
<v Speaker 2>then sitting in the pocket. And, look, I mean, give

0:44:24.989 --> 0:44:27.650
<v Speaker 2>the Bearcats credit. They made him do that and made

0:44:27.690 --> 0:44:28.330
<v Speaker 2>him uncomfortable.

0:44:32.130 --> 0:44:34.880
<v Speaker 4>That's what Nate Woody did to him last year when

0:44:34.890 --> 0:44:36.839
<v Speaker 4>they were at Army. It's what he did to him

0:44:36.880 --> 0:44:40.140
<v Speaker 4>again this year. I mean, Nate Woody has played Avery

0:44:40.160 --> 0:44:44.080
<v Speaker 4>Johnson twice. And Avery Johnson ran the ball nine times

0:44:44.160 --> 0:44:47.759
<v Speaker 4>combined in those two games. And Nate Woody's team won

0:44:47.800 --> 0:44:51.480
<v Speaker 4>both times. Like, that's not a coincidence. That's not an accident.

0:44:51.520 --> 0:44:54.680
<v Speaker 4>They did a great job kind of just keeping him

0:44:54.700 --> 0:44:57.089
<v Speaker 4>in the pocket. Keeping the pocket like he didn't have

0:44:57.250 --> 0:45:01.230
<v Speaker 4>avenues to escape and run to open grass. They didn't

0:45:01.270 --> 0:45:04.129
<v Speaker 4>get upfield and they didn't sack him, but they just said,

0:45:04.170 --> 0:45:06.160
<v Speaker 4>we're going to keep you right here and we're going

0:45:06.180 --> 0:45:08.879
<v Speaker 4>to dare you to throw a 50 times that team

0:45:08.900 --> 0:45:10.460
<v Speaker 4>threw the ball 50 times.

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:11.960
<v Speaker 2>That's insanity.

0:45:13.260 --> 0:45:16.069
<v Speaker 3>We talked about, um, It was a couple of weeks

0:45:16.110 --> 0:45:17.779
<v Speaker 3>ago we were talking about the running game, and they

0:45:17.800 --> 0:45:20.719
<v Speaker 3>go for 271 on the ground. Colt Tabb does it again.

0:45:21.400 --> 0:45:24.360
<v Speaker 3>I marvel at the fact he's averaging 11 yards a carry,

0:45:24.980 --> 0:45:27.340
<v Speaker 3>but I think you mentioned it, and I've really watched

0:45:27.400 --> 0:45:32.060
<v Speaker 3>it since. Their wide receivers and their physicality in blocking

0:45:32.200 --> 0:45:38.240
<v Speaker 3>down the field and breaking those, it's something to watch

0:45:38.360 --> 0:45:40.529
<v Speaker 3>how well they block as a team to help that

0:45:40.550 --> 0:45:41.010
<v Speaker 3>running game.

0:45:42.250 --> 0:45:44.910
<v Speaker 4>I don't remember. I mean, we're four games in, so

0:45:44.950 --> 0:45:49.180
<v Speaker 4>there's trends that are developing and things you feel like

0:45:49.239 --> 0:45:52.419
<v Speaker 4>you can count on. I feel like I can count

0:45:52.460 --> 0:45:55.060
<v Speaker 4>on these wide receivers blocking down the field, and that's

0:45:55.219 --> 0:45:58.759
<v Speaker 4>the difference. If you watch, the safeties aren't able to

0:45:58.820 --> 0:46:02.400
<v Speaker 4>come up and stop those runs at 7, 10 yards.

0:46:03.180 --> 0:46:05.819
<v Speaker 4>They're getting wiped out, and all of a sudden, there's

0:46:05.920 --> 0:46:09.030
<v Speaker 4>wide open field for Colt Tabb and Jabron Payne. Satterfield

0:46:09.070 --> 0:46:13.170
<v Speaker 4>said something interesting Tuesday night. If you listen to the

0:46:13.210 --> 0:46:16.570
<v Speaker 4>coach's show, he said that they didn't think Kansas State's

0:46:16.850 --> 0:46:22.210
<v Speaker 4>corners wanted to tackle. So they have the wide receivers

0:46:22.270 --> 0:46:26.170
<v Speaker 4>playing down to the safeties. And that's why all of

0:46:26.230 --> 0:46:30.050
<v Speaker 4>those runs were so open 30, 40 yards down the field.

0:46:30.510 --> 0:46:32.490
<v Speaker 4>You can go back to the first play of the game.

0:46:32.850 --> 0:46:37.779
<v Speaker 4>They ran wide zone left. right at Kansas State's corner,

0:46:37.800 --> 0:46:42.009
<v Speaker 4>and he was essentially unblocked and wanted no part of

0:46:42.050 --> 0:46:45.690
<v Speaker 4>tackling Jabron Payne. The wide receiver gets down the field,

0:46:45.730 --> 0:46:50.009
<v Speaker 4>takes out the safety, 30-yard run, 22-yard run, whatever it was,

0:46:50.050 --> 0:46:53.800
<v Speaker 4>to open the game. That's kind of been their identity.

0:46:53.820 --> 0:47:00.029
<v Speaker 4>I don't recall a team that has blocked... 30, 40

0:47:00.030 --> 0:47:02.710
<v Speaker 4>yards down the field and still running with their guy,

0:47:02.810 --> 0:47:05.790
<v Speaker 4>like still blocking their guy 30, 40 yards down the

0:47:05.830 --> 0:47:08.890
<v Speaker 4>field with the type of consistency this team has.

0:47:09.510 --> 0:47:11.570
<v Speaker 2>All right. I was going to say, Chad, let's go

0:47:11.590 --> 0:47:14.339
<v Speaker 2>ahead and spin it forward here. Bearcats 4-0, I think

0:47:14.380 --> 0:47:17.220
<v Speaker 2>a place, you know, that a lot of fans before

0:47:17.260 --> 0:47:20.960
<v Speaker 2>this season would be absolutely ecstatic about. And I think

0:47:21.000 --> 0:47:23.240
<v Speaker 2>a couple of winnable games here coming up, a chance

0:47:23.260 --> 0:47:26.339
<v Speaker 2>to maybe be 5-0 here. What do you see here

0:47:26.440 --> 0:47:27.480
<v Speaker 2>out of this Arizona team?

0:47:29.160 --> 0:47:34.070
<v Speaker 4>Noah Fafita's awesome. So if Noah Fafita throws 50 times,

0:47:35.190 --> 0:47:37.009
<v Speaker 4>I don't think that's good for the Bearcats because I

0:47:37.070 --> 0:47:40.900
<v Speaker 4>think he's probably going to complete 70% of them, and

0:47:40.940 --> 0:47:43.660
<v Speaker 4>he's going to rack up a ton of yards. So

0:47:44.560 --> 0:47:47.109
<v Speaker 4>they've got to get him uncomfortable a little bit. Now,

0:47:47.190 --> 0:47:50.380
<v Speaker 4>he's good on the move, too. But he's one of

0:47:50.400 --> 0:47:52.880
<v Speaker 4>the better, and it's amazing for his size. Lance, did

0:47:52.900 --> 0:47:54.200
<v Speaker 4>you go last year and watch them?

0:47:54.380 --> 0:47:56.140
<v Speaker 2>Yes. That game? Yes, he is.

0:47:56.180 --> 0:47:56.840
<v Speaker 4>He's so small.

0:47:57.140 --> 0:47:57.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:01.420
<v Speaker 4>He is so small, but he is so poised. And

0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:04.989
<v Speaker 4>he'll take some sacks. They're one of the worst teams

0:48:05.030 --> 0:48:08.290
<v Speaker 4>in the country at keeping him upright because he will

0:48:08.350 --> 0:48:11.290
<v Speaker 4>stand in there and wait until the absolute last second

0:48:11.850 --> 0:48:15.130
<v Speaker 4>for somebody to come open and deliver a ball. He

0:48:15.150 --> 0:48:17.109
<v Speaker 4>doesn't have happy feet. He is not looking to get

0:48:17.150 --> 0:48:19.469
<v Speaker 4>out of the pocket. When they call a pass play,

0:48:19.510 --> 0:48:22.399
<v Speaker 4>he's looking to stand in there. And that's why he's

0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:25.460
<v Speaker 4>one of the three or four best quarterbacks in the

0:48:25.520 --> 0:48:28.920
<v Speaker 4>country on third down. He's thrown for over 300 yards

0:48:29.020 --> 0:48:32.259
<v Speaker 4>on third down alone through four games, which is a

0:48:32.340 --> 0:48:34.580
<v Speaker 4>remarkable statistic on third down.

0:48:34.780 --> 0:48:38.430
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think there's six in the country at 56%

0:48:38.430 --> 0:48:40.730
<v Speaker 3>on third downs going into Saturday night.

0:48:41.930 --> 0:48:46.340
<v Speaker 4>That is my biggest concern in this game is getting

0:48:46.380 --> 0:48:49.500
<v Speaker 4>him off the field on third down. They have had

0:48:49.540 --> 0:48:56.450
<v Speaker 4>some problems there already, and Arizona is excellent defensively. converting

0:48:56.489 --> 0:48:58.700
<v Speaker 4>third down. And it doesn't matter. Third and short, third

0:48:58.719 --> 0:49:01.100
<v Speaker 4>and medium, third and long. He's going to hang in

0:49:01.120 --> 0:49:03.900
<v Speaker 4>the pocket and make a tough throw and find a

0:49:03.940 --> 0:49:07.140
<v Speaker 4>spot in your defense and move the chain. So that's

0:49:07.219 --> 0:49:10.840
<v Speaker 4>really my key. If Cincinnati can keep them under 50%

0:49:10.840 --> 0:49:13.290
<v Speaker 4>on third down, I think they really have a chance

0:49:13.310 --> 0:49:13.890
<v Speaker 4>to win this game.

0:49:13.910 --> 0:49:16.489
<v Speaker 3>All right. Then the other question, the obvious question coming

0:49:16.590 --> 0:49:21.980
<v Speaker 3>out of Saturday night, JC Flacco. goes 8 of 13

0:49:21.980 --> 0:49:25.340
<v Speaker 3>passing how do you feel if he has to throw

0:49:25.400 --> 0:49:28.259
<v Speaker 3>it more in a game which eventually he's going to

0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:30.040
<v Speaker 3>have to how do you feel about that.

0:49:31.300 --> 0:49:34.450
<v Speaker 4>Um i'm more confident now than i was at the

0:49:34.489 --> 0:49:38.549
<v Speaker 4>beginning of the season Because I think he's making smart decisions.

0:49:38.610 --> 0:49:42.330
<v Speaker 4>He has not been forcing the ball. I don't remember

0:49:42.350 --> 0:49:46.650
<v Speaker 4>a pass that he's really put into a danger spot

0:49:47.330 --> 0:49:49.150
<v Speaker 4>where it's like, oh, that thing should have been picked,

0:49:49.210 --> 0:49:51.510
<v Speaker 4>even if they don't have any interceptions on the season.

0:49:52.150 --> 0:49:55.870
<v Speaker 4>But as long as he continues to make the smart read,

0:49:56.630 --> 0:49:59.029
<v Speaker 4>to make the right throw, and to keep the ball

0:49:59.070 --> 0:50:01.009
<v Speaker 4>out of harm's way, I feel pretty good about where

0:50:01.030 --> 0:50:01.500
<v Speaker 4>he's at. I.

0:50:04.450 --> 0:50:06.810
<v Speaker 4>Do you want him throwing 35, 40 times a game?

0:50:06.910 --> 0:50:07.190
<v Speaker 1>No.

0:50:08.030 --> 0:50:10.569
<v Speaker 4>But if he's up to 25, 27 in a game,

0:50:10.630 --> 0:50:14.700
<v Speaker 4>I don't feel terrible about that. And they're probably going

0:50:14.719 --> 0:50:16.660
<v Speaker 4>to have to do some of what they did against

0:50:16.780 --> 0:50:20.739
<v Speaker 4>Miami in the second half, which is using those sideline

0:50:20.900 --> 0:50:26.299
<v Speaker 4>out routes and using some space to open up the

0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:30.160
<v Speaker 4>run game because Arizona's got an outstanding run defense. And

0:50:30.219 --> 0:50:33.050
<v Speaker 4>they load the box. They do a lot of– stunts

0:50:33.130 --> 0:50:36.750
<v Speaker 4>and games and slides they bring a lot of guys

0:50:37.110 --> 0:50:40.069
<v Speaker 4>and they they disguise it so there's going to be

0:50:40.090 --> 0:50:43.890
<v Speaker 4>a lot of bodies in the box i wouldn't mind

0:50:43.950 --> 0:50:45.759
<v Speaker 4>seeing them doing what we saw in the second half

0:50:45.800 --> 0:50:48.379
<v Speaker 4>of the miami game and spreading that defense out by

0:50:48.420 --> 0:50:52.759
<v Speaker 4>hitting gavin grover hitting isaiah johnson uh... hitting those guys

0:50:52.820 --> 0:50:55.080
<v Speaker 4>on the sidelines on first down so you get five

0:50:55.120 --> 0:50:57.500
<v Speaker 4>yards go out of bounds and you stay in front

0:50:57.520 --> 0:51:00.719
<v Speaker 4>of the sticks And that should open up the run

0:51:00.760 --> 0:51:04.140
<v Speaker 4>game a little bit more on a defense that they're

0:51:04.160 --> 0:51:06.830
<v Speaker 4>crowding the box because their past defense, you know, they

0:51:06.850 --> 0:51:10.370
<v Speaker 4>lost three guys to the NFL that are all really

0:51:10.410 --> 0:51:14.520
<v Speaker 4>good already in the NFL as rookies. They're not as

0:51:14.540 --> 0:51:16.460
<v Speaker 4>good in the back end, so they're loading the box.

0:51:16.480 --> 0:51:21.339
<v Speaker 4>They're trying to make things difficult. They're disguising coverages. I'd

0:51:21.400 --> 0:51:23.649
<v Speaker 4>like to see Cincinnati take advantage of some of that,

0:51:24.150 --> 0:51:26.930
<v Speaker 4>pick up some of those easy yards, and then hopefully

0:51:26.950 --> 0:51:30.980
<v Speaker 4>that opens up the run game. But to answer your question, 25,

0:51:30.980 --> 0:51:34.980
<v Speaker 4>27 passes, I feel J.C. French can handle that. 35,

0:51:34.980 --> 0:51:38.000
<v Speaker 4>I get a little worried. That's too much for what

0:51:38.040 --> 0:51:39.010
<v Speaker 4>this offense wants to be.

0:51:39.469 --> 0:51:41.470
<v Speaker 3>All right, last question. You were filling in this afternoon

0:51:41.550 --> 0:51:44.940
<v Speaker 3>on ESPN 1530. Talked with Jared Calhoun. Give me a

0:51:44.980 --> 0:51:48.319
<v Speaker 3>Bearcat nugget or note you took away from that conversation

0:51:48.340 --> 0:51:49.620
<v Speaker 3>that would interest listeners.

0:51:51.180 --> 0:51:53.930
<v Speaker 4>I think the most interesting thing by far was I've

0:51:53.989 --> 0:51:57.170
<v Speaker 4>never heard of teams doing this, Lance. Cincinnati and Ohio

0:51:57.190 --> 0:52:00.430
<v Speaker 4>State scrimmage on Wednesday the 7th at the tennis center.

0:52:01.270 --> 0:52:04.050
<v Speaker 4>Two weeks ago, Jared Calhoun went to an Ohio State

0:52:04.090 --> 0:52:08.660
<v Speaker 4>practice And watched Ohio State today, three assistants from Ohio

0:52:08.680 --> 0:52:13.120
<v Speaker 4>State were at Cincinnati watching Cincinnati practice. I've never heard

0:52:13.160 --> 0:52:17.420
<v Speaker 4>of that. Two coaching staff coordinating with each other and saying,

0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:20.660
<v Speaker 4>we think it will be best if you know what

0:52:20.719 --> 0:52:23.649
<v Speaker 4>we're doing and we know what you're doing. That's how

0:52:23.670 --> 0:52:26.110
<v Speaker 4>we're going to get the most out of this scrimmage.

0:52:27.610 --> 0:52:33.270
<v Speaker 4>Coaches are generally... They're neurotic. They don't want anybody to

0:52:33.310 --> 0:52:36.690
<v Speaker 4>know anything. These two coaching staffs are like, no, come

0:52:36.750 --> 0:52:38.870
<v Speaker 4>on in. Figure out everything we're doing. You can write

0:52:38.910 --> 0:52:40.759
<v Speaker 4>down all our plays. You can do anything you want

0:52:40.800 --> 0:52:42.839
<v Speaker 4>to do, and we'll see you on Wednesday. I think

0:52:42.860 --> 0:52:44.300
<v Speaker 4>that's amazing. I think it's awesome.

0:52:44.500 --> 0:52:45.110
<v Speaker 2>Never heard of it.

0:52:45.200 --> 0:52:46.780
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, absolutely. All right.

0:52:47.260 --> 0:52:47.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, good.

0:52:47.840 --> 0:52:52.280
<v Speaker 3>For more on that and all things UC football, basketball,

0:52:52.360 --> 0:52:53.860
<v Speaker 3>UC athletics, tell them what they're going to get, what

0:52:53.880 --> 0:52:55.859
<v Speaker 3>they're going to find at BearcatJournal.com.

0:52:57.270 --> 0:53:01.930
<v Speaker 4>We've got wall-to-wall coverage of the Arizona game, podcast, Keegan Nickerson,

0:53:01.950 --> 0:53:06.730
<v Speaker 4>Austin Bass doing great writing on it. Keegan just put

0:53:06.770 --> 0:53:08.930
<v Speaker 4>up an article with some of his thoughts from basketball

0:53:08.950 --> 0:53:12.390
<v Speaker 4>practice today. You name it, we have you covered at

0:53:12.410 --> 0:53:16.250
<v Speaker 4>Bearcat Journal. Football, basketball, Tim Adams and Jeff Gentle have

0:53:16.270 --> 0:53:19.049
<v Speaker 4>been covering baseball, which is going through fall ball right now.

0:53:19.630 --> 0:53:21.910
<v Speaker 4>So you name it, and you're going to get it

0:53:22.030 --> 0:53:23.050
<v Speaker 4>at BearcatJournal.com.

0:53:23.750 --> 0:53:24.009
<v Speaker 2>Love it.

0:53:24.250 --> 0:53:26.730
<v Speaker 3>Always enjoy our conversation. We'll talk next week.

0:53:26.770 --> 0:53:27.129
<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

0:53:27.150 --> 0:53:28.330
<v Speaker 8>Thanks, Ellis.

0:53:28.530 --> 0:53:29.489
<v Speaker 4>Have a good one.

0:53:29.510 --> 0:53:33.010
<v Speaker 3>Chad Brendel, BearcatJournal.com Still ahead.

0:53:33.430 --> 0:53:34.410
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I know what I want to ask.

0:53:34.450 --> 0:53:36.160
<v Speaker 3>When we come back, and we ran out of time

0:53:36.180 --> 0:53:41.020
<v Speaker 3>with Chad, but UC went out today to Arizona. They're

0:53:41.800 --> 0:53:44.100
<v Speaker 3>going to play at 11 o'clock on Saturday night and

0:53:44.219 --> 0:53:47.000
<v Speaker 3>listening to Scott on his coach's show this week. They're

0:53:47.020 --> 0:53:48.839
<v Speaker 3>going to keep them up later the next two nights

0:53:48.890 --> 0:53:51.029
<v Speaker 3>and try to adjust their bodies that way. I want

0:53:51.050 --> 0:53:52.969
<v Speaker 3>to talk with you as a former player and even

0:53:53.580 --> 0:53:57.370
<v Speaker 3>the experiences over the years of trying to adjust to

0:53:57.850 --> 0:53:59.790
<v Speaker 3>a different time zone and the best way to do it,

0:53:59.810 --> 0:54:02.510
<v Speaker 3>going out early, going out right at the time.

0:54:02.550 --> 0:54:03.930
<v Speaker 2>I've done both.

0:54:04.070 --> 0:54:05.310
<v Speaker 3>All right, well then, perfect.

0:54:05.640 --> 0:54:06.069
<v Speaker 2>Look at you.

0:54:06.090 --> 0:54:07.640
<v Speaker 3>I thought I was going to have to ask Mike

0:54:07.900 --> 0:54:08.680
<v Speaker 3>his thoughts on it.

0:54:10.850 --> 0:54:12.350
<v Speaker 2>Or Fran. I'm not saying you're not going to get

0:54:12.370 --> 0:54:12.970
<v Speaker 2>a better answer.

0:54:13.130 --> 0:54:13.730
<v Speaker 4>If I didn't get.

0:54:13.630 --> 0:54:15.149
<v Speaker 3>Anything from you guys, I was just going to ask

0:54:15.190 --> 0:54:15.950
<v Speaker 3>Phyllis what she thinks.

0:54:15.989 --> 0:54:17.970
<v Speaker 2>There you go. We'll continue.

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<v Speaker 3>from Overhead Door in Northern Kentucky. Where'd he go?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, there he is.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, he's talking to my son.

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<v Speaker 2>Right there.

0:54:58.820 --> 0:55:00.989
<v Speaker 3>It's good to have him in the house. Going to

0:55:01.010 --> 0:55:04.109
<v Speaker 3>be contacting him about some Overhead Door stuff and some

0:55:04.370 --> 0:55:06.150
<v Speaker 3>things on the wall in my garage and all that.

0:55:06.310 --> 0:55:09.190
<v Speaker 3>Details to follow. Big stuff going on. Big stuff going on.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, now, one, I've changed my mind. I ran

0:55:12.120 --> 0:55:15.209
<v Speaker 3>the calculation in my head, and I've decided now, because

0:55:15.230 --> 0:55:17.210
<v Speaker 3>the Browns aren't going to be very good ultimately, and

0:55:17.230 --> 0:55:18.630
<v Speaker 3>the Steelers are going to be better than them, I

0:55:18.830 --> 0:55:22.670
<v Speaker 3>want the Steelers to lose tonight. Because the Browns, at best,

0:55:22.730 --> 0:55:26.029
<v Speaker 3>maybe six, seven wins. I think the Steelers maybe are

0:55:26.610 --> 0:55:29.370
<v Speaker 3>more of an eight, nine, maybe.

0:55:28.969 --> 0:55:29.490
<v Speaker 2>Get to ten.

0:55:29.570 --> 0:55:32.049
<v Speaker 3>So I want them to lose because I think. they've

0:55:32.090 --> 0:55:33.770
<v Speaker 3>got a better chance of being a factor than the

0:55:33.810 --> 0:55:35.109
<v Speaker 3>Browns are of being a factor.

0:55:35.130 --> 0:55:37.070
<v Speaker 2>Does that make sense? That's what I thought the whole time.

0:55:37.130 --> 0:55:39.370
<v Speaker 2>And you're going into, like, you know. Why didn't you

0:55:39.390 --> 0:55:41.590
<v Speaker 2>just stop me? Home field and, like, what, the wind

0:55:41.670 --> 0:55:44.590
<v Speaker 2>calculations and all this nonsense. I'm like, look, say it

0:55:44.750 --> 0:55:45.069
<v Speaker 2>out loud.

0:55:45.110 --> 0:55:47.190
<v Speaker 3>Did you just call analytics nonsense?

0:55:47.210 --> 0:55:49.640
<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying. Say it out loud. I want you

0:55:49.680 --> 0:55:50.210
<v Speaker 2>to say that.

0:55:50.090 --> 0:55:50.700
<v Speaker 1>During your broadcast.

0:55:50.739 --> 0:55:52.739
<v Speaker 2>The better team at the end of the year, the

0:55:52.800 --> 0:55:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Steelers or the Browns?

0:55:54.680 --> 0:55:56.940
<v Speaker 3>I want you on your broadcast on Saturday right in

0:55:56.960 --> 0:55:58.480
<v Speaker 3>the middle of the show with you. What's your guy,

0:55:58.520 --> 0:55:59.200
<v Speaker 3>Clay Matvick?

0:55:59.239 --> 0:56:01.080
<v Speaker 2>Clay Matvick. I want you to say Clay.

0:56:01.100 --> 0:56:01.180
<v Speaker 4>Clay.

0:56:01.719 --> 0:56:05.100
<v Speaker 2>Analytics are, what did you just call them? Ridiculous? Worthless?

0:56:05.460 --> 0:56:07.810
<v Speaker 2>It was ridiculous. I just wanted.

0:56:07.719 --> 0:56:11.049
<v Speaker 3>To say, Clay, the reality is those analytics we just

0:56:11.090 --> 0:56:13.830
<v Speaker 3>put up on the screen, they don't mean squat.

0:56:13.950 --> 0:56:20.310
<v Speaker 2>They don't mean squat. And I want his reaction. Shut up.

0:56:20.390 --> 0:56:22.739
<v Speaker 3>I looked at the very scientific poll question I asked

0:56:22.820 --> 0:56:27.080
<v Speaker 3>on Twitter, at Lance McAllister. The question was, for Bengals purposes,

0:56:27.640 --> 0:56:33.200
<v Speaker 3>which team would you rather see lose tonight? Steelers or Browns?

0:56:33.219 --> 0:56:33.879
<v Speaker 2>And?

0:56:33.880 --> 0:56:36.719
<v Speaker 3>84% say Steelers.

0:56:37.300 --> 0:56:38.320
<v Speaker 2>See, the people.

0:56:39.040 --> 0:56:41.080
<v Speaker 3>Sometimes it just comes down to who you hate more,

0:56:41.140 --> 0:56:42.959
<v Speaker 3>and I can't stand the Steelers. I really don't care

0:56:43.000 --> 0:56:44.859
<v Speaker 3>about the Browns. I hate the Steelers.

0:56:44.989 --> 0:56:47.350
<v Speaker 2>Right. Which is probably where a lot of it is.

0:56:47.610 --> 0:56:50.670
<v Speaker 3>So wouldn't doubt just pick against the team you despise?

0:56:51.110 --> 0:56:53.890
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just feel the Browns, even though they're playing

0:56:53.910 --> 0:56:58.340
<v Speaker 2>pretty good now, ultimately are still more dysfunctional. Then the Steelers,

0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:01.140
<v Speaker 2>and they came down to something, you know, I would

0:57:01.180 --> 0:57:02.760
<v Speaker 2>take them over the Steelers.

0:57:03.060 --> 0:57:08.180
<v Speaker 3>The analytics would agree with that. All right. So UC

0:57:08.600 --> 0:57:13.879
<v Speaker 3>flew out today. They play Saturday night, 11 o'clock Cincinnati time,

0:57:13.880 --> 0:57:17.520
<v Speaker 3>8 o'clock Arizona time. In listening to Scott Satterfield paraphrasing,

0:57:17.560 --> 0:57:20.600
<v Speaker 3>they decided to go out early. to start making the adjustment.

0:57:20.620 --> 0:57:22.990
<v Speaker 3>They're going to keep their guys up later the next

0:57:23.010 --> 0:57:25.790
<v Speaker 3>two nights to try to adjust the bodies. Take me

0:57:25.870 --> 0:57:28.010
<v Speaker 3>through the dynamics of all that and the body and

0:57:28.030 --> 0:57:30.390
<v Speaker 3>the adjustment and the best way to try to do it.

0:57:30.530 --> 0:57:33.970
<v Speaker 2>So this is basically the opposite approach that McVay tried, right?

0:57:34.030 --> 0:57:34.240
<v Speaker 5>Yes.

0:57:34.300 --> 0:57:36.360
<v Speaker 2>We're going to just fly in and just play the

0:57:36.380 --> 0:57:36.790
<v Speaker 2>game and get out.

0:57:36.800 --> 0:57:38.060
<v Speaker 3>Off the tarmac and out of the field.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I'm sure you know if there's some

0:57:43.300 --> 0:57:49.520
<v Speaker 2>historical analytics on that. More analytics? Jeez, Rod. Here I am.

0:57:49.540 --> 0:57:54.320
<v Speaker 2>Talking on both sides of my mouth here. Yeah, I'm

0:57:56.040 --> 0:58:00.200
<v Speaker 2>trying to think. When I was with the Chiefs in 08,

0:58:00.200 --> 0:58:02.620
<v Speaker 2>we played. Again, they were central times. It wasn't like

0:58:02.660 --> 0:58:05.620
<v Speaker 2>some big thing, but we played a game, played Chargers.

0:58:06.600 --> 0:58:11.120
<v Speaker 2>And we went out a day early. For that same thing, the, like,

0:58:11.160 --> 0:58:13.810
<v Speaker 2>kind of acclimate kind of thing, because it was a

0:58:13.870 --> 0:58:18.810
<v Speaker 2>noon game, which would have been, you know, whatever. Yeah.

0:58:19.340 --> 0:58:19.550
<v Speaker 9>Anyway.

0:58:20.240 --> 0:58:21.740
<v Speaker 2>It was a noon. It would have been a 1 p.m.

0:58:21.800 --> 0:58:23.830
<v Speaker 2>Eastern game, so it would have been 11.

0:58:23.820 --> 0:58:24.020
<v Speaker 4>Anyway.

0:58:24.480 --> 0:58:24.640
<v Speaker 9>So.

0:58:25.570 --> 0:58:28.790
<v Speaker 2>And I thought we played good, though, so I don't know.

0:58:28.810 --> 0:58:30.490
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if every team is different.

0:58:30.910 --> 0:58:33.130
<v Speaker 3>And Scott even admitted they ran the numbers, and it's

0:58:33.150 --> 0:58:35.410
<v Speaker 3>going to cost them more, obviously, another night in a hotel.

0:58:35.430 --> 0:58:36.740
<v Speaker 2>That's part of it, too.

0:58:36.750 --> 0:58:39.990
<v Speaker 3>They just waited as being worth it was worth doing

0:58:40.050 --> 0:58:41.890
<v Speaker 3>and spending the money to put them in what they

0:58:41.930 --> 0:58:44.090
<v Speaker 3>thought would be the best position to be ready to

0:58:44.130 --> 0:58:46.350
<v Speaker 3>play Saturday night at 11 o'clock Eastern time.

0:58:46.670 --> 0:58:50.050
<v Speaker 2>I just feel as a player, just mindset-wise, I'd rather

0:58:50.070 --> 0:58:55.080
<v Speaker 2>get out there a little early and Nothing too extravagant,

0:58:55.100 --> 0:58:56.780
<v Speaker 2>but I think I'd rather get out there early and

0:58:56.840 --> 0:58:59.780
<v Speaker 2>kind of adjust. Although I will say, any more, man,

0:58:59.820 --> 0:59:02.580
<v Speaker 2>like if I travel and do a game in Central

0:59:02.620 --> 0:59:07.490
<v Speaker 2>Time or West Coast, my body clock stays on Eastern.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, we've reached the midway point.

0:59:10.020 --> 0:59:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Of the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Still ahead, Daniel Kuhn checks in, high school football tonight show.

0:59:14.710 --> 0:59:17.890
<v Speaker 3>He's in for Greg Shoemaker. Dan Klaskens has the fantasy

0:59:17.950 --> 0:59:20.970
<v Speaker 3>football fix. 8 o'clock hour, we'll get a little preview

0:59:21.010 --> 0:59:23.950
<v Speaker 3>and a scouting report on the Jacksonville Jaguars. Remind me

0:59:23.970 --> 0:59:26.770
<v Speaker 3>to ask you about pro football focus grades and maybe

0:59:26.810 --> 0:59:31.310
<v Speaker 3>a little bit on the Joe Burrow narrative this week

0:59:31.530 --> 0:59:35.720
<v Speaker 3>about clutch, all of that, and Dante Moore's injury as

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<v Speaker 3>we continue. He's rocky?

0:59:37.420 --> 0:59:37.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm Lance.

0:59:37.900 --> 0:59:39.420
<v Speaker 3>Are we going to have time to get all that in?

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<v Speaker 3>We better hustle. Let's check news. The Roundtable Show presented

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<v Speaker 3>by Cincinnati Tax Resolution, powered by Tope Sheldon from Longnecks

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<v Speaker 3>in Wilder on 700 WLW. WLW, we're hanging out at

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<v Speaker 3>Long Necks in Wilder, the first of a three-week run

0:59:54.350 --> 0:59:57.790
<v Speaker 3>after we had three fantastic weeks at their Hebron location.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the show we call the Roundtable Show. It's

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<v Speaker 3>presented by Cincinnati Tax Resolution, powered by Toph Sheldon, Lance McAllister,

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<v Speaker 3>alongside is Rocky Boyman. Each week at this time, we

1:00:07.650 --> 1:00:10.830
<v Speaker 3>turn to the high school football scene. In most weeks,

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<v Speaker 3>it's Greg Shoemaker. He's on assignment, we'll say again tonight,

1:00:14.250 --> 1:00:17.140
<v Speaker 3>but ably filling in. We enjoyed talking with him last week.

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<v Speaker 3>He's back to talk with us again this week. You're

1:00:19.920 --> 1:00:24.000
<v Speaker 3>talking high school football tonight show. You're talking tristatefootball.com. We

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<v Speaker 3>must be talking with Daniel Kuhn. Daniel, how are we

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<v Speaker 3>doing tonight?

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<v Speaker 9>Good. How are you, Lance?

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get into this big slate tomorrow night. Let's go

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<v Speaker 3>one by one here. Let's start with what could be,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess, the GCL South title to be decided Friday night.

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<v Speaker 3>Give me thoughts and storylines on Elder and Elder taking

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<v Speaker 3>on Moeller.

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, out at Welcome Stadium in Dayton tomorrow night.

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<v Speaker 11>This is going to be a big game, as is

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<v Speaker 11>every game in the GCL South. But this is for

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<v Speaker 11>the GCL South title.

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<v Speaker 10>If Moeller can take care of business, they'll be an

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<v Speaker 10>outright champion for the fourth time in five years. With

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<v Speaker 10>a loss, they'll be sharing the title with Elder and

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<v Speaker 10>possibly St.

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<v Speaker 9>Axe.

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<v Speaker 11>That'll be the first time that's happened in over 10 years.

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<v Speaker 10>Moeller's 13-1 in the GCL South games for the last

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<v Speaker 10>four years. Their only loss came to Elder last year.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, this game's really going to come down to

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<v Speaker 10>what most GCL South games come down to, and it's

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<v Speaker 10>going to be in the trenches. I mean, we're going

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<v Speaker 10>to win this game in the trenches and run the

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<v Speaker 10>football effectively to be able to take care of this game.

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<v Speaker 11>You look at what Elder happened to them last week

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<v Speaker 11>with St.

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<v Speaker 4>Ag.

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<v Speaker 10>They gave over 100 yards rushing to Aiden. to Aiden

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<v Speaker 10>Graham for St. X. And Muller's got a really, really

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<v Speaker 10>good running back at Juice Club of Brown. So the

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<v Speaker 10>Crusaders are going to look to get him rolling on

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<v Speaker 10>Friday night. Hunter McLaughlin has been the big story for

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<v Speaker 10>the Crusaders. They were really strong at the beginning of

1:01:45.630 --> 1:01:47.669
<v Speaker 10>the year in terms of offense, and he's really kind

1:01:47.690 --> 1:01:51.430
<v Speaker 10>of come in as a soft and sparked that Crusaders offense.

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<v Speaker 10>You know, 560 yards passing, six touchdowns, no interceptions. But,

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<v Speaker 10>of course, on the other side, Elder has a phenomenal

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<v Speaker 10>quarterback in Tayden Eastep. I mean, he's averaging over 320

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<v Speaker 10>yards a game. He's got 19 total touchdowns. And truthfully, Lance,

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<v Speaker 10>I saw them play on Friday night last week against St. X.

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<v Speaker 11>He's their entire running game.

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<v Speaker 10>The Panthers don't really have a true running back, so

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<v Speaker 10>Eastep is their running game as well as their passing game. And,

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<v Speaker 10>of course, the big storyline last week was with Adrian

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<v Speaker 10>Flyman and whether he would watch as he is playing

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<v Speaker 10>tomorrow night. It will be the final week of his

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<v Speaker 10>two-week extension on his eligibility issues.

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<v Speaker 11>So keep an eye out for him. Have another nice night,

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<v Speaker 11>and it should be a great one tomorrow night at

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<v Speaker 11>Welcome Stadium.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, good stuff, Daniel. Let's move on to number two,

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<v Speaker 2>Lakota West, sitting at 5-1 at.

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<v Speaker 2>Number nine, the Middies from Middletown. What are you seeing

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<v Speaker 2>in this one?

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<v Speaker 10>Yeah, this has been interesting. I mean, Middletown had a

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<v Speaker 10>really hard, tough start to the season, playing two really

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<v Speaker 10>good teams in Elder and Princeton. They gave up a

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<v Speaker 10>ton of points in this matchup, 63 between the.

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<v Speaker 11>Two, but they've only allowed 41 total in the four games.

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<v Speaker 10>They really struggled on offense and trying to get a

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<v Speaker 10>rhythm in the beginning of the year. Gavin Nolan, who

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<v Speaker 10>was a transfer from Centerville, came in and he's done

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<v Speaker 10>really well or did really, really well last week against

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<v Speaker 10>the Sycamore team. That really kind of, I think, gave

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<v Speaker 10>many his confidence on offense. I mean, they're like they're

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<v Speaker 10>not only averaging about 85 yards a game and just

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<v Speaker 10>three yards per carry.

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<v Speaker 4>On the ground.

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<v Speaker 10>So he certainly helped them out. And Lakota West has

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<v Speaker 10>just been outstanding. The only blemish they have is that

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<v Speaker 10>loss to Princeton, which is understandable. But Kenyon Norman has

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<v Speaker 10>been as advertised for the Firebirds this year. Carmelo Jordan

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<v Speaker 10>is another one that you want to keep an eye on.

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<v Speaker 10>He's been really good to them in the passing game.

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<v Speaker 10>He's actually the only one with a touchdown receiving all year.

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<v Speaker 10>He's got six of them. And then, you know, outside

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<v Speaker 10>of Norman and his, you know, 1,000-plus yards, no other

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<v Speaker 10>player has more than 86 yards on the ground. And

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<v Speaker 10>then Wakota West, I mean, as with the Tom Bolden

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<v Speaker 10>coach team, have a phenomenal defense. They're only allowing 12

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<v Speaker 10>points per game. And they only have five sacks. So

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<v Speaker 10>they've just been really, really good at keeping team offense,

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<v Speaker 10>opposing offense behind sticks and putting their offense in position

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<v Speaker 10>to go out and win them games.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, let's go to Northern Kentucky then. Highlands at Cubcats.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's get it on.

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<v Speaker 4>Big one on North Kentucky.

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<v Speaker 10>I mean, these are the two probably most set teams

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<v Speaker 10>out in North Kentucky right now. Highlands has been rolling

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<v Speaker 10>over everybody. They had a tough loss at the beginning

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<v Speaker 10>of their season. Bounced back really nice. Cubs have had

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<v Speaker 10>the one loss to Beachwood, which obviously Beachwood is.

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<v Speaker 11>A very, very good program. So no heads hanging there.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, this is a rivalry.

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<v Speaker 10>Highlands has won three of the last four. And Cubcat

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<v Speaker 10>won nine in a row prior to that, and then

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<v Speaker 10>the Highlands won 14 in a row prior to that.

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<v Speaker 10>So whoever's going to come out on top has a

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<v Speaker 10>good chance to continue that streak. I mean, Bluebirds are

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<v Speaker 10>averaging almost 50 points per game.

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<v Speaker 11>I mean, they're so.

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<v Speaker 10>Good offensively and have so many good weapons to spread

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<v Speaker 10>the ball around to. 19 different Bluebirds have receptions. No

1:04:48.890 --> 1:04:49.830
<v Speaker 10>player has most.

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<v Speaker 2>Of those catches.

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<v Speaker 4>Dang!

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<v Speaker 10>Bryce Armstrong is really the catalyst for how good that

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<v Speaker 10>offense is. I mean, there's a lot of, you talk

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<v Speaker 10>a lot about Tate and Lorenzen, but Bryce Armstrong flies

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<v Speaker 10>under the radar.

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<v Speaker 11>It's so impressive.

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<v Speaker 10>13 passing touchdowns, six rushing touchdowns, and he also leads

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<v Speaker 10>the team in rushing. And then on the other side

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<v Speaker 10>for the Colonels, Kian Miller, he's only a sophomore, but

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<v Speaker 10>I had the pleasure of seeing him play early this year.

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<v Speaker 11>He's the real deal. I mean, over 500 yards.

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<v Speaker 10>Sorry, over 600 yards this year, 15 touchdowns at such

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<v Speaker 10>a young age. He's already blossoming into a real big star.

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<v Speaker 10>And certainly, if you're keeping up on sports, keep an

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<v Speaker 10>eye on this.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's move on. Talawanda sitting at 5-0 versus

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<v Speaker 2>undefeated in number 25, the Northwest Knights. What do you see?

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<v Speaker 10>Well, listen, this is a game between two schools that

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<v Speaker 10>don't get a lot of.

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<v Speaker 11>Love in terms of media.

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<v Speaker 10>Not a lot of people know about either one of

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<v Speaker 10>these programs, but I'll tell you this. Talawanda is notorious

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<v Speaker 10>for having physical teams, and Northwest likes to beat you

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<v Speaker 10>with explosive plays. So it's kind of like the immovable

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<v Speaker 10>force meets the unstoppable object in.

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<v Speaker 11>This game tomorrow night.

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<v Speaker 10>Northwest is 6-0 for the first time in over 13 years.

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<v Speaker 10>They're only allowing eight points per game. Jordan Lilly is impressive.

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<v Speaker 10>He's got four.

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<v Speaker 11>Touchdown performances last against Mount Healthy. He can spread the

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<v Speaker 11>ball around with his arm.

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<v Speaker 10>He can beat you with his feet. He and his

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<v Speaker 10>teammate Ethan Dixon are both averaging more than 100 yards

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<v Speaker 10>on the ground, so keep an eye on Dixon to

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<v Speaker 10>pound the rock. And then you look on the other side,

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<v Speaker 10>you have Talawanda, like I said, big physical team. They're

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<v Speaker 10>only allowing 4.3 points per game. They have 16 sacks

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<v Speaker 10>and a whopping 43 tackles for losses this year. And

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<v Speaker 10>Talawanda also, you know, they can pass the ball. They

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<v Speaker 10>like to run the ball, but they can pass it.

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<v Speaker 10>They have more than 300 yards passing in 2026. I mean, they,

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<v Speaker 10>so let me rephrase that. They have 300 more yards

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<v Speaker 10>passing this year than they did last year. And that

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<v Speaker 10>is a very stark contrast. And listen, it's one of

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<v Speaker 10>those games where it's just old school, hard-nosed football. And

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<v Speaker 10>if you love classic football, this is the game for you.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Daniel, give us a preview. It's going to

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<v Speaker 3>be a big night tomorrow night. Lay out a preview

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<v Speaker 3>of that high school football tonight show.

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<v Speaker 10>Well, I will be on it this week, so I

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<v Speaker 10>wasn't on it the last time we talked last week, Lance,

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<v Speaker 10>but I'll be on it tomorrow night. I forget who

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<v Speaker 10>I'm going to be on with, but we're going to

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<v Speaker 10>have a great time. We're going to be breaking down

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<v Speaker 10>all the games across the tri-state. Well, I don't know

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<v Speaker 10>if it's Greg or if it's LaFawn. They didn't really

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<v Speaker 10>tell me. We're going to go run with whoever we're with. And,

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<v Speaker 10>you know, we're going to have a great time. We're

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<v Speaker 10>going to break down all the games. We're going to

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<v Speaker 10>talk to some head coaches. And we're going to give

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<v Speaker 10>you that high school football fix and catch you up

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<v Speaker 10>on anything you might.

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<v Speaker 11>Have missed if you really want to find out everything

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<v Speaker 11>that happened across this tri-state.

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent.

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<v Speaker 3>Always good stuff. Hey, appreciate you filling in tonight. Excellent

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<v Speaker 3>job again.

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<v Speaker 2>And thank you.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, Lance.

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<v Speaker 11>Thank you. Thank you, Rocky, as well.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it. Thanks, Daniel. Great stuff, buddy.

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<v Speaker 3>Daniel Kuhn checking in, filling in for Greg Shoemaker tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>The High School Football Tonight Show, tristatefootball.com. That'll start at

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<v Speaker 3>6 tomorrow night, I believe, on both ESPN 1530 and

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<v Speaker 3>Fox Sports 1360.

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<v Speaker 2>And then that St.

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<v Speaker 3>X game, 645. The guys are back after the game

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<v Speaker 3>with the nightly wrap-up, which is fantastic. They talk with coaches,

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<v Speaker 3>be it on the bus or wherever they may be

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<v Speaker 3>able to track them down.

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<v Speaker 2>And reaction to the.

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<v Speaker 3>Night that was in high school football tomorrow night.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's do this.

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<v Speaker 3>Around the corner, Dan Klaskens has your fantasy football fix.

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<v Speaker 3>The 8 o'clock hour, we'll delve into those Jacksonville Jaguars

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<v Speaker 3>and hear perspective from Jacksonville.

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<v Speaker 2>That is ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>We're rolling until 9 tonight. 9 o'clock would be Dan

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<v Speaker 3>Carroll time, but plenty of ground to cover between now

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<v Speaker 3>and then. He's rocky on Lance. Roundtable show brought to

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<v Speaker 3>Don't forget, if you're in the house or if you're

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<v Speaker 3>on your way here, get a raffle ticket from your server,

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<v Speaker 3>fill it out, drop it in the bucket. Coming up

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<v Speaker 3>at 9 o'clock, we will draw. We've got a very

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<v Speaker 3>cool long-neck Bengal shirt to give away, and you'll be

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<v Speaker 3>entered in the drawing box. in three weeks for the

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<v Speaker 3>excellent T. Higgins print behind the bar currently. Got to

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<v Speaker 3>be here to win tonight. Got to be here to

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<v Speaker 3>win three weeks from tonight. We'll do those drawings at

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<v Speaker 3>the end of the show coming up at 9 o'clock.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, let's talk fantasy football. Our next guest, host

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<v Speaker 3>of Fantistics Insider Football, Sirius XM Fantasy Insider Football.com. That

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<v Speaker 3>would be Dan Klaskens.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you?

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<v Speaker 7>Lance, how are we doing tonight, my friend?

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<v Speaker 2>Very well, very well.

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<v Speaker 3>Fired up for football tonight, AFC North Clash.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what? I'll ask you what I ask, Rocky.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you in agreement? From a Bengals perspective, you'd rather

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<v Speaker 3>the Steelers lose tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>Does that make sense? Would you go with that?

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<v Speaker 7>From the Bengals' perspective and from my betting perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's all settled. There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>That's the deciding factor, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 7>But I hear you, fellas. We're not flushing the Browns

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<v Speaker 7>down tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go. There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, let's start here. Let's start with the struggling stars.

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<v Speaker 3>Some guys, owners are probably pulling their hair out playing

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<v Speaker 3>for their teams. Take us through some of the struggles.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I got a little mini all-star team here, struggling stars.

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<v Speaker 7>We'll start at quarterback with Drake May. The overall numbers

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<v Speaker 7>haven't been catastrophic, but The high leverage play has been bad.

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<v Speaker 7>Third down, just 52% completions, 12% interception rate. Inside the

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<v Speaker 7>red zone, just 37.5% completion, 20% sack rate. I'm not

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<v Speaker 7>panicking three weeks in, but Buffalo is a tough place

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<v Speaker 7>to expect a breakthrough. Right now, May's more of a

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<v Speaker 7>QB2 than a QB1. Saquon Barkley, he's the running back

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<v Speaker 7>on our struggling Stars team. The volume's still there. We're

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<v Speaker 7>just not getting the fantasy profile we drafted for it.

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<v Speaker 7>One reception in each of his three games. He had

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<v Speaker 7>82 rushing yards against Chicago, but 73 came before halftime.

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<v Speaker 7>So you're obviously starting Saquon, but we're just waiting for

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<v Speaker 7>the difference-making fantasy production that came at that premium draft price.

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<v Speaker 7>Brian Thomas Jr., he's our wide receiver of struggling stars,

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<v Speaker 7>one of the bigger disappointments at the position. This week

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<v Speaker 7>could be a nice opportunity for a rebound. A 51.5

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<v Speaker 7>point total in this Jacksonville and Cincinnati game. I like

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<v Speaker 7>it for fantasy. We'll see. And then Kyle Pitts, he'll

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<v Speaker 7>round out our team. Here we go again. Target shares

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<v Speaker 7>through three weeks.

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<v Speaker 4>4.7%, 9.6%, 8.6%.

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<v Speaker 7>He hasn't even commanded 10% of Atlanta's targets in a

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<v Speaker 7>single game. The talent's never been the issue, but at

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<v Speaker 7>some point, opportunity has to matter more than potential.

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<v Speaker 3>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, Dan, let's go to injuries. I see some

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<v Speaker 2>big names on this list here.

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<v Speaker 7>We'll try to get through them quick, Rocky. There are

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<v Speaker 7>some big names, and that running back is where we're

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<v Speaker 7>going to start. Devon Aitken, buzzkill there for his managers

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<v Speaker 7>and the Miami Dolphins.

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<v Speaker 2>He's moving.

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<v Speaker 7>They're going to be moving forward without him. ACL injury.

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<v Speaker 7>Jalen Wright practiced in full today. I like him over

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<v Speaker 7>Alvin Gordon in the long term. It's not a situation

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<v Speaker 7>I'm crazy about. Brees Hall, the Jets running back, out

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<v Speaker 7>multiple weeks here with the quad issue. Braylon Allen becomes

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<v Speaker 7>legitimate RB2 as he sits. Travis, ETN, HN, whatever we're

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<v Speaker 7>calling him. We're calling him on the IR as of today.

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<v Speaker 7>Four games at least, plus in week 8-5. We're talking

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<v Speaker 7>week 9 in play before fantasy managers get him back

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<v Speaker 7>in action. Rico Dowdle in tonight's game, just like he

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<v Speaker 7>was last week versus the Bengals, out. Jalen Warren going

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<v Speaker 7>to get that big workload. I'm a little concerned coming

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<v Speaker 7>off the short week here, so... Not expecting quite as

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<v Speaker 7>big of a day as we saw last week, but

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<v Speaker 7>still very fantasy-friendly. That receiver, good news. Lots of good

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<v Speaker 7>news here. Puka Nakua practiced in full today, trending towards

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<v Speaker 7>a return in Week 4. Nico Collins, he was limited

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<v Speaker 7>with his hamstring, but too straight. I'm optimistic he's back

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<v Speaker 7>in Week 4. Justin Jefferson, he was not spotted during

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<v Speaker 7>Thursday's practice, so we're going to have to keep our

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<v Speaker 7>eyes on him tomorrow. And Devontae Smith at his hamstring

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<v Speaker 7>did not practice again. The Philadelphia Eagles are preparing to

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<v Speaker 7>play without him. I think fantasy manager should as well.

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<v Speaker 7>We'll keep our eyes on Liam McCotty, Mike Evans, Caleb Williams,

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<v Speaker 7>Jaden Daniels back in the mix. And Baker Mayfield out.

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<v Speaker 2>For a few weeks.

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<v Speaker 7>So we're talking Jalen Daniels for the Bucs. It's looking

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<v Speaker 7>pretty scary. Downgrade all of those Tampa Bay wideouts.

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<v Speaker 3>No doubt about that. All right, how about our weekly studs, duds,

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<v Speaker 3>and sleepers?

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, let's start with the studs. I'm not trying to

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<v Speaker 7>pick on the Bengals. I'm just all in on Jacksonville.

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<v Speaker 7>I've been that way since the preseason. And Trevor Lawrence

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<v Speaker 7>is the reason why. He's my first stud this week.

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<v Speaker 7>As I said, a great fantasy environment. Him and Joe Burrow,

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<v Speaker 7>both in my top four at quarterback. But I love,

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<v Speaker 7>since the start of 2025, Lawrence has accounted for 21

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<v Speaker 7>go-ahead touchdowns, 16 through the air, five on the ground.

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<v Speaker 7>That's the most in the league. He's a lock this week,

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<v Speaker 7>as is Matthew Golden. The week three breakout, it could

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<v Speaker 7>have been even bigger than it was. He's getting all

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<v Speaker 7>the action. I really think that he is legitimate. I'm

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<v Speaker 7>treating him as a weekly starter for the Packers on

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<v Speaker 7>the dud side. We're sitting Ashton Gentry. Still starting in

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<v Speaker 7>most leagues. I'm just really lowering expectations, really. We're not

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<v Speaker 7>going to bench him, but Kansas City, a strong defense.

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<v Speaker 7>I don't like the game strip. Volume keeps Gentee viable,

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<v Speaker 7>but I'm not counting on him as an RB1 this week.

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<v Speaker 7>Labney Conkney didn't practice again today. He was already on

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<v Speaker 7>my dud list. Let's sit the Chargers wide up. How

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<v Speaker 7>about L.A.? The Chargers, fewer than 17 points in each

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<v Speaker 7>of its first three games. I'm sitting most everybody on that.

1:14:22.229 --> 1:14:24.090
<v Speaker 7>And then the sleepers, I'll give you a couple. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 7>you guys listened to Marcus Mariota last week. He ended

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<v Speaker 7>up being a top five quarterback. This week, I don't

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<v Speaker 7>know if he's going to get that good, but C.J.

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<v Speaker 7>Stroud's on the bounce back. The Texans' offense has been ugly,

1:14:33.530 --> 1:14:36.269
<v Speaker 7>but this Dallas matchup gets my attention. I love the

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<v Speaker 7>healthy 48-point total here. And with Nico Collins back, I

1:14:39.570 --> 1:14:41.460
<v Speaker 7>think he's going to have his best Sunday of the season.

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<v Speaker 7>And my final sleeper, Jawan Johnson. The Saints are playing

1:14:45.720 --> 1:14:49.019
<v Speaker 7>the Falcons on Monday Night Football, and the Saints have

1:14:49.040 --> 1:14:52.800
<v Speaker 7>been getting him in action. 77% of the routes he

1:14:53.180 --> 1:14:57.270
<v Speaker 7>has ran on passing plays. And, guys, that's just opportunities.

1:14:57.330 --> 1:14:59.650
<v Speaker 7>I can't say enough equals things. And Jawan Johnson's a

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<v Speaker 7>top-ten tight end this week for me.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Dan, we love talking about and highlighting stuff

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<v Speaker 3>going on with the DAV. You've got another way for

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<v Speaker 3>listeners to get involved. Tell them about the DAV 5K

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<v Speaker 3>and how people can participate.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, Lance, thank you for that. DAV 5K is a

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<v Speaker 7>great way to get moving, get back to Americans, veterans.

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<v Speaker 7>You can walk, roll, run, ride.

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<v Speaker 2>Love it.

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<v Speaker 3>Always enjoy the conversation, and let's do it again next week.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, sir.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, and I'm with you guys.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm rooting for the Browns tonight. All right, very good.

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<v Speaker 4>Thanks, Dan.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks, Dan.

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<v Speaker 3>Dan Klaskens for our fantasy football segment each Thursday night

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<v Speaker 3>at this time. Right before the top of the hour,

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<v Speaker 3>let me take a look at the Kelsey Chevrolet college

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<v Speaker 3>football weekend preview, and we'll hit a couple of the

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<v Speaker 3>area teams. UC Bearcats 4-0 visiting the Arizona Wildcats. As

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<v Speaker 3>we mentioned earlier with Chad, Bearcats 4-0 for the first

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<v Speaker 3>time Since 2021, they are outscoring opponents in the second.

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<v Speaker 2>Half, 107-27.

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<v Speaker 3>Cole Tabb of the Bearcats leads the country in rushing.

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<v Speaker 3>11.1 yards per attempt. 11.1 yards per rushing attempt. We

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<v Speaker 3>referenced with Chad, Arizona's quarterback, Noah Fafita. He's thrown for

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<v Speaker 3>84 touchdowns in his career and 10,314 yards. That is

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<v Speaker 3>currently ranked first and second in each category among all

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<v Speaker 3>active FBS quarterbacks. The Wildcats fell in a 14-point hole

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<v Speaker 3>last week. Bearcats fell in one as well. Wildcats found

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<v Speaker 3>a way out. They're converting 56% on third down, sixth

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<v Speaker 3>best in the country. Ohio State 4-0 is set for

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<v Speaker 3>their first Big Ten road game of the season. They

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<v Speaker 3>visit the Iowa Hawkeyes. 3-30 kick. It is the 70th

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<v Speaker 3>time that Ohio State is featured in the ESPN College

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<v Speaker 3>Game Day matchup. The most of any team in the country.

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<v Speaker 3>Jeremiah Smith on pace, Rock. 121 catches, 2,385 yards, and

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<v Speaker 3>26 touchdowns.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you say 2,300 yards?

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<v Speaker 3>2,300 yards receiving. The Hawkeyes 4-0 for the first time

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<v Speaker 3>since 2021, and that defense, the Iowa Hawkeye defense, leading

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<v Speaker 3>the nation, allowing just eight points per game. Miami opens

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<v Speaker 3>back play, hosting Bowling Green. Miami's 2-2, Bowling Green 0-4,

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<v Speaker 3>coached by the former Ohio State and NFL great Eddie George.

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<v Speaker 3>The Falcons have a defensive end, Miles Bradley, who had

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<v Speaker 3>four and a half sacks last week. He's the reigning

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<v Speaker 3>defensive back player of the year. And the Redhawks have

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<v Speaker 3>a quarterback, and David McComb currently leads the nation at

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<v Speaker 3>17.3 yards per completion. 17.3 yards per completion, Rock.

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<v Speaker 2>He's slinging it.

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<v Speaker 3>For the Miami Redhawks and the Kentucky Wildcats. Travel to

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<v Speaker 3>South Carolina. Kentucky's 3-1, South Carolina 2-2. The heat's certainly on.

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<v Speaker 3>Shane Beamer, the hot seat, getting a little bit warmer.

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<v Speaker 3>The Gamecocks riding a seven-game SEC losing streak, and Dylan

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<v Speaker 3>coming off a game with the first time in program

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<v Speaker 3>history they had three running backs rush for 100 yards

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<v Speaker 2>And their win over South Alabama.

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<v Speaker 3>The cast of characters here tonight, Mike Mills, our trusty

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<v Speaker 3>engineer on hand, Russ Jackson back in the studio, just

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<v Speaker 3>about gave me a heart attack like 90 seconds ago.

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<v Speaker 3>I think my pacemaker fired. Fran and his lovely wife

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<v Speaker 3>Phyllis are here. So big tonight, so big tonight that

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<v Speaker 3>Casey and Kelly were here. It was good to see them.

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<v Speaker 3>It was good to see them. Everybody tonight, appreciate them

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<v Speaker 3>hanging out with us. We'll do the giveaway coming up

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<v Speaker 3>at 9 o'clock tonight. We have Bengals and Jaguars to

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<v Speaker 3>get to in this hour. Let's do a little bit

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<v Speaker 3>on Jacksonville. I was struck by a couple of things

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<v Speaker 3>I heard last night on Bengals game plan down the

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<v Speaker 3>dial on ESPN 1530. Dan Hort and Wayne Boxmiller each week.

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<v Speaker 3>They talked with Mark Long, who covered the Jaguars for

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<v Speaker 3>the Associated Press. Brock, here's what he said about that

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<v Speaker 3>Jaguar defense. They returned 10 starters. They've got their defense

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<v Speaker 3>coordinator back, Anthony, I think it's Campanilli, and they certainly

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<v Speaker 3>have continuity. They led the NFL in yards allowed on

1:21:03.670 --> 1:21:07.330
<v Speaker 3>the ground, fewest yards per carry last year, and they're

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<v Speaker 3>among the best this year. Here's his assessment, Mark Long,

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<v Speaker 3>of that Jacksonville defense the Bengals offense will be facing

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<v Speaker 3>on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 4>It starts with Devon Hamilton.

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<v Speaker 12>He's not the name on the defensive side of the ball,

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<v Speaker 12>but he is really their best player, their best player

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<v Speaker 12>against the run. He's a nose tackle who's just a

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<v Speaker 12>complete handful.

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<v Speaker 4>He is their.

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<v Speaker 12>Version of Dexter Lawrence, a little bit different body style,

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<v Speaker 12>doesn't quite get the push, but, man, is he tough

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<v Speaker 12>to run on. And then they're in.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, they set the edge.

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<v Speaker 12>Josh Heimdall and Trayvon Walker, not over-the-top fantastic pass rushers,

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<v Speaker 12>but very good at setting the edge and not letting

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<v Speaker 12>people get outside them, being able to stop the run.

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<v Speaker 12>So for them, that's where it starts. They can wreck games,

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<v Speaker 12>and they're a handful up front. I believe if you

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<v Speaker 12>go back to last season, Cincinnati versus Jacksonville, Trayvon Walker

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<v Speaker 12>really kind of had his way with– Amarius Mims on

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<v Speaker 12>the right side.

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<v Speaker 4>So it'll be interesting.

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<v Speaker 12>Amarius Mims has made huge strides since that Week 2

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<v Speaker 12>matchup last year.

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<v Speaker 4>So it'll be.

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<v Speaker 12>Interesting to see what that matchup head-to-head looks like in

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<v Speaker 12>Year 2.

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<v Speaker 3>He only has 10 catches. It's not only, but I'd

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<v Speaker 3>like to see him catch a little bit more. But

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<v Speaker 3>of his 10 catches, he's only averaging 3.2 yards a catch,

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<v Speaker 3>which is way below his career average. And I just

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<v Speaker 3>think he's a guy I'd love to see them get

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<v Speaker 3>him in space screens. They rarely run screens. I just

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<v Speaker 3>think there's something there with... With Chase Brown's elusiveness, you

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<v Speaker 3>get him out there and set him up with a

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<v Speaker 3>screen and get some blocking in, there's no reason he

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<v Speaker 3>should only be averaging 3.2 yards per catch.

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<v Speaker 2>To your point on screens, I have a coach that

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<v Speaker 2>tells me, and they do a ton of screens, and

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<v Speaker 2>the reason is, he said, there's a limited amount of

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<v Speaker 2>practice time during the week, and the smallest amount of

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<v Speaker 2>time you devote to something the offense does is the

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<v Speaker 2>screen games. That's why you practice. It is deadly when run... But, no,

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<v Speaker 2>that would be a great way to get him in

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<v Speaker 2>the ball more.

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<v Speaker 3>On the other side of things, Trevor Lawrence coming to town.

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<v Speaker 3>Trevor Lawrence is in his fifth season, and now it

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<v Speaker 3>finally feels like in his second season now with Liam Cohen,

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<v Speaker 3>the head coach, that it's really started to click. He's

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<v Speaker 3>still only 26 years old, quarterback rating 107.2, and Mark

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<v Speaker 3>Long last night kind of laid the path he's taken

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<v Speaker 3>and just the difficult situations coaching-wise that kind of derailed

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<v Speaker 3>his first season. three-plus years in the NFL. Here's Mark Long,

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<v Speaker 3>the Associated Press, talking about the development of Trevor Lawrence.

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<v Speaker 12>You know, this is exactly what Trevor needed for his career.

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<v Speaker 12>You look at a guy who was drafted first overall

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<v Speaker 12>in 2021 by Urban Meyer, and that was a complete debacle.

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<v Speaker 12>We all know how that started. Week four in Cincinnati,

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<v Speaker 12>Urban decides strangely to stick around after that game And

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<v Speaker 12>ends up at his restaurant there in Columbus. Gets in

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<v Speaker 12>all sorts of trouble. And it really was the beginning

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<v Speaker 12>of the end for Urban Meyer. But that just ruined

1:24:21.570 --> 1:24:25.130
<v Speaker 12>Trevor Lawrence's rookie year. Then he looks like he's going

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<v Speaker 12>to turn the corner with Doug Peterson. But that turns

1:24:28.650 --> 1:24:32.269
<v Speaker 12>into a debacle because you had offensive coaches. pointing the

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<v Speaker 12>finger at each other, offensive coaches not even talking during

1:24:36.030 --> 1:24:40.879
<v Speaker 12>game planning, or Doug Peterson decided to give up play calling.

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<v Speaker 12>All of that affects the young quarterback.

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<v Speaker 1>And it did.

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<v Speaker 12>And finally, in year five for Trevor Lawrence, he basically

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<v Speaker 12>gets saved here.

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<v Speaker 4>With Liam Cullen.

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<v Speaker 12>And Liam, fantastic mentor, played the position, so he knows

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<v Speaker 12>what he's talking about. And he's really found.

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<v Speaker 7>A different level for Trevor Lawrence.

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<v Speaker 12>And Trevor's got it all. He's got it all hands down.

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<v Speaker 12>He's figured it out.

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<v Speaker 3>Last night on Bengals Game Plan, Mark Long talking about

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<v Speaker 3>Trevor Lawrence. And, Rock, as I heard him say that

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<v Speaker 3>last night, there's a lot of young quarterbacks. And so

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<v Speaker 3>much of quarterbacking is the situation you're put into. In

1:25:17.520 --> 1:25:20.280
<v Speaker 3>most cases, quarterbacks go high. You're going high to a

1:25:20.340 --> 1:25:22.920
<v Speaker 3>bad team. And there's some quarterbacks who get in bad

1:25:23.000 --> 1:25:26.500
<v Speaker 3>situations who never get out of them. Maybe no fault

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<v Speaker 3>of their own. It's just because of the coaching turmoil

1:25:28.880 --> 1:25:32.230
<v Speaker 3>and turnover. And, you know, a guy like Sam Darnold

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<v Speaker 3>went through a lot of bad situations before he got

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<v Speaker 3>to a good one. This seems like the situation that's

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<v Speaker 3>bringing out the best in Trevor Lawrence.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Liam Cohen wasn't a name on a ton

1:25:42.450 --> 1:25:46.160
<v Speaker 2>of people's radar. Man, he's been absolutely fantastic. And you're right,

1:25:46.200 --> 1:25:49.740
<v Speaker 2>there's so many quarterbacks throughout the years that just go

1:25:49.760 --> 1:25:53.240
<v Speaker 2>to a bad organization, an organization that doesn't have an

1:25:54.020 --> 1:25:56.960
<v Speaker 2>offensive-minded kind of coach, and they get kind of stuck.

1:25:56.979 --> 1:25:57.059
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

1:25:57.770 --> 1:26:01.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Sam Darnold is the best example of that. When

1:26:01.080 --> 1:26:03.480
<v Speaker 2>he finally catches on with the Seahawks and McDonald and

1:26:03.500 --> 1:26:04.360
<v Speaker 2>all them, look out.

1:26:04.740 --> 1:26:08.000
<v Speaker 3>Now, a name you've no doubt heard of for the

1:26:08.020 --> 1:26:12.309
<v Speaker 3>Jacksonville Jaguars, Travis Hunter, who has at times served the

1:26:12.350 --> 1:26:14.470
<v Speaker 3>dual role, offense, defense. We know what he did in

1:26:14.990 --> 1:26:18.630
<v Speaker 3>his time at Colorado. He had his first career interception

1:26:18.710 --> 1:26:21.689
<v Speaker 3>last week. He was asked last night about how much

1:26:21.729 --> 1:26:24.670
<v Speaker 3>they're using him on offense and defense, if his offensive

1:26:24.710 --> 1:26:27.480
<v Speaker 3>days are done or how it's being managed at this point.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's thoughts on Travis Hunter.

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<v Speaker 12>He missed half of last season with the injury. He

1:26:35.650 --> 1:26:38.269
<v Speaker 12>missed all the offseason with the injury. So they're bringing

1:26:38.340 --> 1:26:41.920
<v Speaker 12>him along slowly. And I think they overwhelmed him last

1:26:42.000 --> 1:26:45.400
<v Speaker 12>year by bringing him in. as the second overall pick,

1:26:45.479 --> 1:26:47.990
<v Speaker 12>throwing him in on offense and defense and letting him

1:26:48.030 --> 1:26:51.610
<v Speaker 12>learn both. Well, trying to learn both, he really never

1:26:51.689 --> 1:26:54.530
<v Speaker 12>mastered it either. And that was a problem, and I

1:26:54.590 --> 1:26:57.630
<v Speaker 12>think they saw that midway through the year that he

1:26:57.650 --> 1:26:58.490
<v Speaker 12>didn't know where to line up.

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<v Speaker 4>He didn't know where to line up on offense.

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<v Speaker 12>And he really didn't know where to line up on defense.

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<v Speaker 12>And even to this day, when you look at him

1:27:04.939 --> 1:27:09.260
<v Speaker 12>out there, he still turns probably 60% of the time

1:27:09.680 --> 1:27:13.320
<v Speaker 12>after the huddle on defense and even off it. He

1:27:13.340 --> 1:27:15.720
<v Speaker 12>has to be told where to line up and reminded

1:27:15.760 --> 1:27:18.280
<v Speaker 12>of what they're doing. There is still a learning curve

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<v Speaker 12>for this guy. They do like him on defense, and

1:27:21.520 --> 1:27:24.260
<v Speaker 12>they think he can be a Pro Bowl cornerback. He's

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<v Speaker 12>much better in man than zone. That's the other thing,

1:27:26.580 --> 1:27:28.420
<v Speaker 12>and they're kind of a zone defense right now. So

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<v Speaker 12>it would be interesting to see if they switch that

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<v Speaker 12>up this week and maybe give Travis Hunter a lot

1:27:33.880 --> 1:27:37.960
<v Speaker 12>of man opportunity on Jamar Chase, or if they bracket Jamar,

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<v Speaker 12>do they put Travis Hunter on T. Higgins and take

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<v Speaker 12>their chances that way?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Rock, I think Mark brought up a great

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<v Speaker 3>point of last year, basically putting too much on his plate.

1:27:47.060 --> 1:27:49.300
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know how difficult it is as a rookie,

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<v Speaker 3>your head's spinning. They were asking him to learn things

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<v Speaker 3>on each side of the ball each game, and that's

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<v Speaker 3>a lot to process.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's not just that. I mean, offenses and defenses

1:27:59.010 --> 1:28:02.330
<v Speaker 2>are so complex anymore. I mean, even since I've been playing,

1:28:02.430 --> 1:28:06.050
<v Speaker 2>it's otherworldly, just in terms of, I mean, defensively, the

1:28:06.130 --> 1:28:08.710
<v Speaker 2>pictures and the rolling of the coverages and all those

1:28:08.770 --> 1:28:12.309
<v Speaker 2>sort of things on both sides of the ball. And, yeah,

1:28:12.390 --> 1:28:16.200
<v Speaker 2>as a rookie, it's just... Not a lot of time.

1:28:16.240 --> 1:28:18.639
<v Speaker 2>He had the injuries. So I think it's better that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>have him focus on one side of the ball. And, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you get a couple plays. Yeah, a little package. Yeah, absolutely.

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<v Speaker 3>One more perspective on the Jacksonville Jaguars, the running game

1:28:28.900 --> 1:28:31.530
<v Speaker 3>that comes to town, led by a name that might

1:28:31.570 --> 1:28:33.550
<v Speaker 3>not be a household name, but it's certainly putting up

1:28:33.610 --> 1:28:37.290
<v Speaker 3>big numbers, Basial Tootin. He's a fourth-round pick out of

1:28:37.330 --> 1:28:42.200
<v Speaker 3>Virginia Tech two years ago, or last season. He's 5'9,

1:28:42.200 --> 1:28:46.150
<v Speaker 3>209 pounds. He's averaging 4.7 yards a carry. Here's Mark

1:28:46.229 --> 1:28:47.670
<v Speaker 3>Long on the Jaguars running back.

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<v Speaker 12>He's got great vision and a great cutback ability, and

1:28:54.250 --> 1:28:57.060
<v Speaker 12>then we haven't quite seen it yet, but great speed.

1:28:57.070 --> 1:28:59.740
<v Speaker 12>This is a guy who ran 4.28, I think, at

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<v Speaker 12>the NFL Combine. That's one of the things they loved

1:29:02.180 --> 1:29:03.559
<v Speaker 12>about him is they just thought.

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<v Speaker 5>He was a home run hitter.

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<v Speaker 12>So they haven't gotten him. He hasn't quite gotten that

1:29:07.520 --> 1:29:10.120
<v Speaker 12>home run hit yet, and so they're kind of waiting

1:29:10.180 --> 1:29:11.930
<v Speaker 12>on that, but they think it's coming.

1:29:12.160 --> 1:29:13.200
<v Speaker 2>He's had a couple.

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<v Speaker 4>Where it's like.

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<v Speaker 12>Q-string tackle here, arm tackle there. Just one move, one

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<v Speaker 12>step away from breaking one. If you're the Bengals, you're

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<v Speaker 12>hoping it doesn't happen this week. But if you're the Jags,

1:29:25.670 --> 1:29:28.190
<v Speaker 12>you're kind of fingers crossed. We think he's going to

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<v Speaker 12>break through at some point. And the sooner the better

1:29:32.410 --> 1:29:35.509
<v Speaker 12>for the Jags as far as they're concerned.

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<v Speaker 3>Brock, I've got an amazing number on Trevor Lawrence if

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<v Speaker 3>you're ready for this. Yes. And prior to Liam Cohen's arrival,

1:29:41.960 --> 1:29:45.960
<v Speaker 3>Jacksonville had lost 18 of 23. Since he's arrived, Jacksonville

1:29:46.140 --> 1:29:49.850
<v Speaker 3>has won 15 of 20. But here's the dominance of

1:29:49.910 --> 1:29:52.510
<v Speaker 3>Jacksonville of late. Going back to last season, they've won

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<v Speaker 3>10 of their last 11. In the last 11 games

1:29:56.860 --> 1:30:00.689
<v Speaker 3>that Trevor Lawrence has played, He has been pulled early

1:30:00.810 --> 1:30:04.890
<v Speaker 3>because they had such a commanding lead seven times in

1:30:04.910 --> 1:30:06.950
<v Speaker 3>the last 11 games.

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<v Speaker 2>It never happens.

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<v Speaker 3>It never happens. In the Chargers game, he left with

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<v Speaker 3>eight minutes to go, six minutes to go against the Titans,

1:30:14.900 --> 1:30:18.439
<v Speaker 3>seven against the Colts. He left with 13.51 to go

1:30:18.460 --> 1:30:19.979
<v Speaker 3>in the Jets game last year. They were up by

1:30:20.060 --> 1:30:23.770
<v Speaker 3>four touchdowns. 13 minutes and 17 seconds to go against

1:30:23.810 --> 1:30:26.550
<v Speaker 3>the Titans. They were up by 31 late in the

1:30:26.590 --> 1:30:27.470
<v Speaker 3>game versus.

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<v Speaker 2>Our third quarter.

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<v Speaker 3>He did not finish the third quarter against the Browns

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<v Speaker 3>when they were up by 24 and eight minutes to

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<v Speaker 3>go last week against the Patriots. That is unheard of.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't tell you. I was jotting that down from

1:30:42.330 --> 1:30:46.050
<v Speaker 3>Daniel Griffiths, one of the beat writers for But that's

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<v Speaker 3>what I thought of. I said, man, the number of

1:30:47.760 --> 1:30:50.280
<v Speaker 3>times I've thought it even tweeted, why is Joe Burrow

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<v Speaker 3>still in the game? I've never heard of an NFL

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<v Speaker 3>quarterback being taken out of the game because a team

1:30:55.680 --> 1:30:58.810
<v Speaker 3>is such in control in seven times in 11 games.

1:30:59.150 --> 1:31:02.490
<v Speaker 3>They've won in this stretch of those seven games. They've

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<v Speaker 3>won by 29, 22, 17, 28.

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<v Speaker 1>34, 24 games.

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<v Speaker 2>That just doesn't happen in the NFL.

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<v Speaker 3>They've been a juggernaut over the last 11 games going back.

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<v Speaker 2>To last season. Well, now you're making me nervous about

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<v Speaker 2>this weekend. Darn right. You and your statistics are there.

1:31:17.580 --> 1:31:18.580
<v Speaker 2>All my analytics.

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<v Speaker 3>Take a time out to continue to talk a little

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<v Speaker 3>All right, Rock, there was much conversation this week around

1:32:19.280 --> 1:32:24.450
<v Speaker 3>Joe Burrow. Some narratives created and spun. Some were ridiculous.

1:32:24.550 --> 1:32:27.189
<v Speaker 3>Some had some merit. The whole early in the week,

1:32:27.340 --> 1:32:29.519
<v Speaker 3>the tweet, I don't even know who it was.

1:32:30.880 --> 1:32:31.880
<v Speaker 2>One in 35.

1:32:31.860 --> 1:32:35.840
<v Speaker 3>One in 35, one in 34 when the Bengals in

1:32:35.880 --> 1:32:38.460
<v Speaker 3>the fourth quarter trailing with eight minutes to go. And

1:32:38.640 --> 1:32:40.280
<v Speaker 3>my head hurts. I'm not even going to attempt to

1:32:40.320 --> 1:32:44.320
<v Speaker 3>explain how silly that stat was. But there are some

1:32:44.380 --> 1:32:47.120
<v Speaker 3>things that are very valid points about Joe Burrow and

1:32:47.140 --> 1:32:49.769
<v Speaker 3>the Bengals late in games. There's no doubt. ESPN this

1:32:49.810 --> 1:32:53.450
<v Speaker 3>week noted that Dating to the start of the 2024 season,

1:32:53.990 --> 1:32:57.410
<v Speaker 3>Joe Burrow is tied for the NFL lead in lost

1:32:57.510 --> 1:33:00.850
<v Speaker 3>turnovers in the fourth quarter or overtime. He's had eight

1:33:00.890 --> 1:33:04.590
<v Speaker 3>interceptions and four fumbles in the fourth quarter or overtime

1:33:04.830 --> 1:33:06.190
<v Speaker 3>since 2024.

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<v Speaker 2>But I say all that to say this.

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<v Speaker 3>I find it hard to believe that anybody who is

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<v Speaker 3>a Bengal fan looks and says, the problem with this

1:33:14.260 --> 1:33:17.740
<v Speaker 3>team is Joe Burrow, and I'd much rather have fill-in-the-blank

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<v Speaker 3>quarterback in the NFL right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that's what people are saying, or is

1:33:22.280 --> 1:33:25.250
<v Speaker 2>it just kind of saying, hey, this guy gets a

1:33:25.290 --> 1:33:27.650
<v Speaker 2>lot of credit but needs a little more criticism?

1:33:27.750 --> 1:33:29.790
<v Speaker 3>I think there is something to that. That was going

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<v Speaker 3>to be my next point, and I'm glad you brought

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<v Speaker 3>that up because I think lost in all this, to

1:33:34.820 --> 1:33:37.360
<v Speaker 3>me it's become– it's kind of like society. There's no

1:33:37.380 --> 1:33:39.820
<v Speaker 3>middle ground anymore. You really like something or really hate something,

1:33:39.840 --> 1:33:40.780
<v Speaker 3>and it's black and it's white.

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<v Speaker 2>Well said.

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<v Speaker 3>There's the group and some of our trolls who just

1:33:47.090 --> 1:33:49.610
<v Speaker 3>want to say something to get people stirred up. But

1:33:49.650 --> 1:33:51.349
<v Speaker 3>then I think on the other hand, to your point,

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<v Speaker 3>I think there is an element of because Joe is

1:33:55.210 --> 1:33:59.370
<v Speaker 3>viewed as the savior of the franchise. that you can't

1:33:59.610 --> 1:34:03.980
<v Speaker 3>question Joe because if there's questions about Joe, then there's

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<v Speaker 3>questions about the validity of the Bengals and the franchise

1:34:06.979 --> 1:34:08.939
<v Speaker 3>and how good they are. And I think it's fair

1:34:08.979 --> 1:34:14.020
<v Speaker 3>to say that Joe shouldn't be leading the NFL since 2024.

1:34:14.020 --> 1:34:17.540
<v Speaker 3>in the most turnovers in the fourth quarter and in overtime.

1:34:17.600 --> 1:34:20.210
<v Speaker 3>I think it's fair to say on Sunday, he had

1:34:20.270 --> 1:34:23.350
<v Speaker 3>no business throwing the four-yard pass to Chase Brown. That

1:34:23.370 --> 1:34:25.030
<v Speaker 3>was a four-yard loss. He should have just thrown it

1:34:25.070 --> 1:34:27.330
<v Speaker 3>into the ground. And he's got to have better ball

1:34:27.370 --> 1:34:31.370
<v Speaker 3>security on the play he fumbles on to effectively end

1:34:31.390 --> 1:34:33.250
<v Speaker 3>the game. I think those are fair. That doesn't mean

1:34:33.290 --> 1:34:35.130
<v Speaker 3>anybody hates. I don't hate Joe Burrow. You don't like

1:34:35.170 --> 1:34:37.599
<v Speaker 3>Joe Burrow. But I think that would be talked about

1:34:37.640 --> 1:34:40.140
<v Speaker 3>with any quarterback in the NFL if you're being fair

1:34:40.180 --> 1:34:41.140
<v Speaker 3>about the situation.

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<v Speaker 2>You did nail it, though. There is a lot of

1:34:43.260 --> 1:34:47.330
<v Speaker 2>just bro, total apologists. And no matter what he does,

1:34:47.410 --> 1:34:50.030
<v Speaker 2>it's not his fault. It's everyone's fault. And I'm not

1:34:50.090 --> 1:34:53.970
<v Speaker 2>sure where that stems from. But, you know, yeah, I

1:34:54.010 --> 1:34:57.590
<v Speaker 2>think you can say he's a great quarterback, a franchise quarterback,

1:34:57.630 --> 1:35:00.730
<v Speaker 2>maybe one of the top five quarterbacks in the NFL. But, God,

1:35:01.150 --> 1:35:04.590
<v Speaker 2>talk about a– That hurtful stat, you know, turning the

1:35:04.630 --> 1:35:07.580
<v Speaker 2>ball over in the fourth quarter, that's a major, that's

1:35:07.620 --> 1:35:10.680
<v Speaker 2>something to, you know, it's fair criticism. It absolutely is.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I love him. I wouldn't trade him for anybody else,

1:35:16.040 --> 1:35:18.300
<v Speaker 3>but I think it's fair to say, just as anybody

1:35:18.360 --> 1:35:21.490
<v Speaker 3>else on the team. You can't make mistakes. And when

1:35:21.510 --> 1:35:24.690
<v Speaker 3>you're the quarterback, part of the drill, the quarterback gets

1:35:25.150 --> 1:35:28.740
<v Speaker 3>all the blame, everything falls on his shoulders. But part

1:35:28.780 --> 1:35:31.019
<v Speaker 3>of it is if you make mistakes, you're going to

1:35:31.060 --> 1:35:31.700
<v Speaker 3>be questioned.

1:35:32.360 --> 1:35:36.820
<v Speaker 2>And to his credit, he never tries to deflect and say, well,

1:35:36.840 --> 1:35:38.880
<v Speaker 2>not really. He always says, hey, that was on me.

1:35:38.960 --> 1:35:41.290
<v Speaker 2>I've got to get better. And I enjoy that about him.

1:35:41.300 --> 1:35:42.979
<v Speaker 3>It was two weeks ago he said he thought I

1:35:43.050 --> 1:35:46.190
<v Speaker 3>was very average in the game and had to be better. Absolutely.

1:35:46.210 --> 1:35:46.710
<v Speaker 2>All right.

1:35:47.979 --> 1:35:50.040
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if we can do this justice in

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<v Speaker 3>the four minutes before the bottom of the hour. Maybe

1:35:51.939 --> 1:35:57.990
<v Speaker 3>we'll start the conversation. I subscribe to Pro Football Focus,

1:35:59.110 --> 1:36:03.389
<v Speaker 3>and that subscription is $ 110 a year. And that gives

1:36:03.450 --> 1:36:06.610
<v Speaker 3>me access to player grades and the whole thing. And

1:36:06.680 --> 1:36:10.500
<v Speaker 3>I do it not for me, because honestly, I look

1:36:10.520 --> 1:36:11.960
<v Speaker 3>at the numbers and they don't make any sense. I

1:36:12.280 --> 1:36:14.500
<v Speaker 3>don't know how they're graded. I'd love to be in

1:36:14.540 --> 1:36:17.250
<v Speaker 3>there when they're grading. I don't understand how pro football

1:36:17.290 --> 1:36:19.670
<v Speaker 3>focus and take a player like an offensive lineman and

1:36:19.750 --> 1:36:23.490
<v Speaker 3>say his grade is 71.3. I have no idea how

1:36:23.530 --> 1:36:26.110
<v Speaker 3>somebody could explain to me the difference between an offensive

1:36:26.150 --> 1:36:30.750
<v Speaker 3>lineman with a grade of 74.2 and a grade of

1:36:30.750 --> 1:36:32.470
<v Speaker 3>71.3 and what they saw in grading that they took

1:36:32.550 --> 1:36:36.190
<v Speaker 3>off 10th. So I do it honestly because my listeners

1:36:36.260 --> 1:36:38.900
<v Speaker 3>seem to be interested in it. and I post the

1:36:38.939 --> 1:36:39.640
<v Speaker 3>stats each week.

1:36:39.660 --> 1:36:42.620
<v Speaker 2>And it's a way to quantify something that was never quantifiable.

1:36:42.720 --> 1:36:46.120
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and I think that if there were something else,

1:36:46.220 --> 1:36:49.090
<v Speaker 3>the reality is they jumped into the market and they

1:36:49.150 --> 1:36:51.350
<v Speaker 3>cornered the market, and they're the only ones who really

1:36:51.890 --> 1:36:53.850
<v Speaker 3>make it available to you to see a number that

1:36:53.930 --> 1:37:00.070
<v Speaker 3>quantifies a performance. But I wonder sometimes why I'm subscribing

1:37:00.110 --> 1:37:02.800
<v Speaker 3>to it because I don't understand much of it, and

1:37:02.820 --> 1:37:05.559
<v Speaker 3>I think some of it is ridiculous, and yet, I

1:37:05.600 --> 1:37:08.560
<v Speaker 3>understand listeners and fans want to see a number next

1:37:08.580 --> 1:37:11.960
<v Speaker 3>to a player's name to say he's good.

1:37:11.800 --> 1:37:12.680
<v Speaker 2>Or he's bad.

1:37:12.939 --> 1:37:15.240
<v Speaker 3>There seems to be a thought right now that Pro

1:37:15.260 --> 1:37:18.140
<v Speaker 3>Football Focus doesn't like Amarius Mims because his rating is

1:37:18.180 --> 1:37:20.860
<v Speaker 3>so low, despite the fact he hasn't given up a

1:37:20.920 --> 1:37:24.050
<v Speaker 3>sack or a pressure hit this year. And yet, I

1:37:24.100 --> 1:37:26.630
<v Speaker 3>think they factor in penalties. He's had some penalties. And

1:37:26.650 --> 1:37:30.050
<v Speaker 3>they also factor in his run game grade. But I wonder,

1:37:30.150 --> 1:37:33.760
<v Speaker 3>just in the circles you run in, is pro football.

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<v Speaker 2>Focus talked about?

1:37:35.000 --> 1:37:38.440
<v Speaker 3>Do you, as a former player, do you understand where

1:37:38.479 --> 1:37:39.370
<v Speaker 3>I'm coming from when I.

1:37:39.390 --> 1:37:42.490
<v Speaker 2>Say, how did they... I'll give you another example. I'm

1:37:42.570 --> 1:37:43.110
<v Speaker 2>on a roll here.

1:37:43.689 --> 1:37:46.370
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how anybody sitting in that room at

1:37:46.410 --> 1:37:50.200
<v Speaker 3>pro football focus... can grade because they don't know what

1:37:50.280 --> 1:37:54.440
<v Speaker 3>the intent of the play was originally or the responsibilities

1:37:54.479 --> 1:37:54.680
<v Speaker 3>of those.

1:37:54.740 --> 1:37:58.600
<v Speaker 2>Or the check or the audible. Yeah, isn't that fair? 100%,

1:37:58.600 --> 1:38:01.620
<v Speaker 2>and which is, you know, and I think it's great.

1:38:01.700 --> 1:38:05.450
<v Speaker 2>I think you can overall get an idea of how

1:38:05.490 --> 1:38:07.510
<v Speaker 2>a guy's playing by his general grades. Yeah, but at

1:38:07.530 --> 1:38:08.910
<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, you've got to trust your

1:38:08.990 --> 1:38:13.310
<v Speaker 2>eyeballs on something like blocking. Like, to your point, Marius Mims.

1:38:14.030 --> 1:38:16.510
<v Speaker 2>You know, my eyeballs over three games say, you're doing

1:38:16.550 --> 1:38:19.280
<v Speaker 2>pretty good, right? You know, that's kind of how you

1:38:19.320 --> 1:38:23.500
<v Speaker 2>have to say, but it is, especially I think for,

1:38:23.820 --> 1:38:27.090
<v Speaker 2>you know, a more casual fan that doesn't understand the

1:38:27.770 --> 1:38:31.670
<v Speaker 2>ins and outs of, offensive line play. It's a way

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<v Speaker 2>to quantify something. But do I put a ton of

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<v Speaker 2>credit in it?

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<v Speaker 6>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I also think just in general, a lot of those

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<v Speaker 2>analytics stats, especially in baseball, it's like a number.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that mean? I can't, you know, like RBIs,

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<v Speaker 2>you batted in a lot of runs. The high number

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<v Speaker 2>is pretty good. That's easy to understand. But some of

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<v Speaker 2>the other ones is like, if I don't know what

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<v Speaker 2>it means, like how worthy is it? But again, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a way to get some sort of, because it is

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<v Speaker 2>hard to describe RBIs. how an offensive lineman played, but

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<v Speaker 2>if you can put a number on it, then that

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<v Speaker 2>makes it a little easier.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and from that, I do like having a number

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<v Speaker 3>next to it. I think you raised a great point,

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe a little bit more on this when we

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<v Speaker 3>come back, because there's two numbers that, while I may

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<v Speaker 3>understand them, I reject them. War in baseball, and a

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<v Speaker 3>big buzzword in the NFL is EPA, expected points. I

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<v Speaker 3>want to get into just a tiny bit on that,

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<v Speaker 3>and then we'll do some college football, and I want

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<v Speaker 3>to talk to you about Dante Moore today.

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<v Speaker 2>Sound like a plan?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, man, it's already 8.30 tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>He's Rocky. I'm Lance.

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<v Speaker 3>Roundtable show presented by Cincinnati Tax Resolution, powered by Tope Sheldon.

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<v Speaker 3>Longnecks Wilder, the spot, 700 WLW.

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<v Speaker 2>News, traffic, and weather.

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<v Speaker 1>News Radio 700 WLW, Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 13>Rain on the way. It's going to be here in

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<v Speaker 13>the morning. This is the 830 Report. I'm Matt Reese.

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<v Speaker 13>Potential rescue for all that brown grass scorched by the

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<v Speaker 13>sun and missing the occasional rainfall. 90% chance of rain

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<v Speaker 13>in the tri-state tomorrow. Storm system headed this way stretches

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<v Speaker 13>from Texas up to Michigan.

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<v Speaker 8>30 million from Texas to the Midwest are under the

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<v Speaker 8>gun as powerful storms wreak havoc. In Fort Worth, cars, trucks,

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<v Speaker 8>and even a city bus got swallowed by floods near

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<v Speaker 8>Arlington Heights High School just as students were arriving. One

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<v Speaker 8>woman seen being carried from her car by a firefighter.

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<v Speaker 8>Others guided to higher ground.

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<v Speaker 13>That's ABC's Alex Perez reporting from Dallas. Radar here in

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<v Speaker 13>the Tri-State all clear right now. That's going to change

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<v Speaker 13>tomorrow morning. Right now, we check the latest traffic and

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<v Speaker 13>weather together. And on this Thursday night, seeing a lot

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<v Speaker 13>of delays out there, and it's because of construction. Miami-town area,

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<v Speaker 13>275 at I-74. You're going to run into some delays there.

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<v Speaker 13>Got an accident right now. Looks like southbound 75 just

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<v Speaker 13>passed Ronald Reagan Cross County Highway, and that's in the

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<v Speaker 13>construction zone. That's double trouble tonight. Also seeing some delays

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<v Speaker 13>on northbound 75 at the Lachlan split. And been seeing

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<v Speaker 13>some slow traffic on 275 in the five-mile area, Anderson Township,

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<v Speaker 13>because of some construction there.

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<v Speaker 1>Here is the latest weather forecast from News Radio 700 WLW.

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<v Speaker 5>In the tri-state weather, it's cloudy skies and a chance

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<v Speaker 5>of rain by daybreak. A 7 a.m. temperature of 67. Otherwise,

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<v Speaker 5>a rainy Friday and a high of 70 with temperatures

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<v Speaker 5>falling in the afternoon. At night, a few showers and

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<v Speaker 5>then becoming mostly clear, a low of 52. From your

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<v Speaker 5>severe weather station, I'm 9 First Warning Chief Meteorologist Steve Raleigh.

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<v Speaker 3>News Radio 700 WLW.

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<v Speaker 13>We're at 72 degrees right now in Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>Radar all clear.

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<v Speaker 13>Game day forecast built by TLG Peterbilt Cincinnati. Keeping customers

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<v Speaker 13>for life. Bengals at home Sunday against Jacksonville. And it'll

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<v Speaker 13>be mostly sunny and a high of 71.

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<v Speaker 2>A very nice day.

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<v Speaker 13>Police say road rage led to the gunfire on 275

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<v Speaker 13>in Springdale overnight near Princeton Pike. Suspect in a black

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<v Speaker 13>Ford 250 pickup fired a shot into a car and

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<v Speaker 13>the driver of that car injured by the shattered glass.

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<v Speaker 13>Police know who the pickup driver is. No charges have

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<v Speaker 13>been filed yet. We are a week away from a

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<v Speaker 13>huge event in Cincinnati that goes on for several days.

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<v Speaker 2>It's blink.

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<v Speaker 12>Thanks to the work of the Chamber of All of

1:42:45.920 --> 1:42:49.919
<v Speaker 12>our partners and the passionate artists who contribute to this festival,

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<v Speaker 12>we are once again set up for a magical weekend.

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<v Speaker 2>And there will be something for everyone. Please come and

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<v Speaker 2>check out Blink.

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<v Speaker 13>Cincinnati Mayor Aftab Pureval, Light Festival. He is expected to

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<v Speaker 13>draw more than 2 million people over four days beginning

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<v Speaker 13>a week from today. Blink will cover downtown Cincinnati and OTR,

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<v Speaker 13>Over the Rhine and the Banks and Covington.

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<v Speaker 9>Last night was not just inefficient, it was cruel and

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<v Speaker 9>it was torturous.

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<v Speaker 13>She would be dead right now if the execution succeeded,

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<v Speaker 13>but it didn't. Instead, Krista Pike is in the hospital.

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<v Speaker 13>She received two doses of a legal drug, but survived it.

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<v Speaker 13>Her legal team wants a commutation. This is Pike's attorney,

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<v Speaker 13>Randy Spivey.

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<v Speaker 2>Krista is alive.

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<v Speaker 9>Right now, we don't have a sense of her prognosis

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<v Speaker 9>or much update on her health at the moment. But

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<v Speaker 9>we do know that she is alive right now and

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<v Speaker 9>receiving life-saving medical care.

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<v Speaker 13>So the state of Tennessee is stopping executions. Pike's attorneys

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<v Speaker 13>say she was still breathing and snoring after receiving those

1:44:01.729 --> 1:44:04.980
<v Speaker 13>two potentially deadly doses.

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<v Speaker 2>Her history... She.

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<v Speaker 13>Was convicted of a 1995 murder when she was 18

1:44:10.350 --> 1:44:14.250
<v Speaker 13>years old, confessed, but says her traumatic childhood and years

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<v Speaker 13>of abuse played a role in her actions. In a

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<v Speaker 13>couple of days, President Trump is stopping in three states

1:44:22.000 --> 1:44:27.540
<v Speaker 13>as the midterm election draws closer. Texas today, the president

1:44:27.820 --> 1:44:32.590
<v Speaker 13>toured the Peterbilt Motors plant, and tonight, president is in

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<v Speaker 13>Oklahoma for a rally tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 2>He'll be in Alabama.

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<v Speaker 13>And in the Dayton area on Saturday, the president is

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<v Speaker 13>going to be holding a rally at Butler High School

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<v Speaker 13>in Vandalia near Dayton. And on Wall Street today, the

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<v Speaker 13>Dow added 20 points to close at 50,926.

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<v Speaker 2>S &amp; P 500 up 14. NASDAQ up 10.

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<v Speaker 9>835.

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<v Speaker 7>Next news at 9 o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>Matt Reese, NewsRadio 700 WLW. Real people. Real talk. Real messy.

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<v Speaker 2>700 WLW.

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<v Speaker 13>Guaranteed human.

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<v Speaker 4>836-700-WLW.

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<v Speaker 2>The music is for us, Rock.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the Roundtable Show presented by Cincinnati Tax Resolution, powered

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<v Speaker 3>by Tope Sheldon. We're at Longnecks. Still time to get here.

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<v Speaker 3>We're going to do our drawing coming up in about, well,

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<v Speaker 3>exactly 24 minutes when the show ends.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the drill.

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<v Speaker 3>Each week we hit a location for three weeks. We

1:45:43.430 --> 1:45:45.970
<v Speaker 3>started the year at the Hebron location. They're brand new.

1:45:46.670 --> 1:45:49.210
<v Speaker 3>That is fantastic. And they took care of us. And thanks, guys,

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<v Speaker 3>at Hebron. Each of the stops in our second one

1:45:52.610 --> 1:45:56.590
<v Speaker 3>is now Wilder, the first of three weeks here. And

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<v Speaker 3>we are giving away a Barleycorn's Bengals shirt at the

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<v Speaker 3>end of the show. Each server in the place tonight

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<v Speaker 3>has a raffle ticket. Ask him for one and drop

1:46:06.810 --> 1:46:08.230
<v Speaker 3>it off in the bucket. We'll draw it.

1:46:08.530 --> 1:46:09.850
<v Speaker 2>Nine o'clock. Got to be here to win.

1:46:09.870 --> 1:46:12.490
<v Speaker 3>And then in the grand scheme of things, after our

1:46:12.670 --> 1:46:15.130
<v Speaker 3>third show, we will give away the Bengals print behind

1:46:15.150 --> 1:46:17.330
<v Speaker 3>the bar right now. It's a really cool print of T.

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<v Speaker 4>Higgins.

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<v Speaker 3>Got to be here to win in each instance. instance

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<v Speaker 3>each week. All right, before we get into a Dante

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<v Speaker 3>Moore and the, uh, the hit on Saturday night, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>final wrap up you were talking about, and we were

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<v Speaker 3>discussing quantifying numbers and pro football focus. And again, I

1:46:32.120 --> 1:46:35.089
<v Speaker 3>subscribe to pro football focus and, and I, uh, I

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<v Speaker 3>like the fact that there's somebody out there who, who does,

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<v Speaker 3>and for the people who don't like it, I say, well,

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<v Speaker 3>what is your alternative? What else do you have to

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<v Speaker 3>look at? And maybe that's Maybe that's like a backhanded compliment.

1:46:45.030 --> 1:46:46.640
<v Speaker 3>There's nobody else to look at, so you have to

1:46:46.680 --> 1:46:48.860
<v Speaker 3>look at them, but that's the reality. They were the

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<v Speaker 3>first in the market, kind of cornered the market, and

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<v Speaker 3>it may drive people crazy, but they figured out a

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<v Speaker 3>way to quantify a number. I always say when the people,

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<v Speaker 3>when I will post the information through my social media,

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<v Speaker 3>and they say, well, what about this, and why is this,

1:47:01.450 --> 1:47:03.610
<v Speaker 3>and why is this? I don't believe this. I say, well,

1:47:04.510 --> 1:47:06.450
<v Speaker 3>what else do you have to compare it to? I say,

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<v Speaker 3>you may not like the number, but if you're only

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<v Speaker 3>going by your eye, your eye test, maybe that's, what

1:47:13.180 --> 1:47:15.939
<v Speaker 3>you're going by, but somebody sat and graded this, whether

1:47:15.960 --> 1:47:18.280
<v Speaker 3>you agree with the grading or not, that's another question.

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<v Speaker 3>But to the point of quantifying numbers, baseball has war,

1:47:22.800 --> 1:47:26.269
<v Speaker 3>and war is wins above replacement. And, Rock, that's a

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<v Speaker 3>number that means if you have a war of five,

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<v Speaker 3>that means you are worth five wins to your team

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<v Speaker 3>above a replacement player. If your team lost you and

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<v Speaker 3>had to bring in an average replacement player, that term,

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<v Speaker 3>just an average replacement player, you would be worth five

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<v Speaker 3>wins per season above the average replacement for you, which sounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Good in theory, but... Man, that's a stretch.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how you quantify over 162 games in over, say,

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<v Speaker 3>on a good team, 90, 95, 100 wins, how you

1:48:01.100 --> 1:48:04.560
<v Speaker 3>quantify and assign a number to a player. And a

1:48:04.600 --> 1:48:09.420
<v Speaker 3>war can be like... 3.2. So again, down to the decimal.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know how you, over 162 games, over a

1:48:12.820 --> 1:48:15.770
<v Speaker 3>player who has 600 plate appearances, how do you tell

1:48:15.810 --> 1:48:17.370
<v Speaker 3>me the difference between somebody who has a 3.3 war

1:48:17.390 --> 1:48:17.710
<v Speaker 3>and a 3.5?

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<v Speaker 11>War?

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<v Speaker 3>When you say it out loud, it doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 2>And is everybody calculating that obscure number on the same

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<v Speaker 2>scale with the same parameters? It's the same thing with

1:48:32.160 --> 1:48:36.519
<v Speaker 2>the PFF. It's like five different People are watching these

1:48:36.550 --> 1:48:39.410
<v Speaker 2>NFL games. Is it the same scale? And maybe I'd

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<v Speaker 2>like to know if you make that more transparent, like

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<v Speaker 2>how they're grading people.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'll give you a number along these lines. Not

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<v Speaker 3>a new number, but it's used a lot. EPA, which

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<v Speaker 3>is expected points added, described by definition an advanced analytics

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<v Speaker 3>metric that measures the value of an individual play based

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<v Speaker 3>on how much it increases or decreases the team's likelihood

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<v Speaker 3>of scoring.

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<v Speaker 2>So you could have a passing play.

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<v Speaker 3>The EPA on that play was 2.7, which was it

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<v Speaker 3>increased the scoring percentage of that play 2.7, which I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know. It just gets into the weeds of can

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<v Speaker 3>it really be broken down into that small of a

1:49:21.180 --> 1:49:23.519
<v Speaker 3>number and a decimal point? And you know me, I

1:49:23.560 --> 1:49:28.849
<v Speaker 3>love numbers, but. EPA and war just seem too minuscule.

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<v Speaker 2>Too obscure.

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<v Speaker 3>See, I like to make it simple because I'm a

1:49:34.430 --> 1:49:37.650
<v Speaker 3>simple person. I would think, in theory, if you hit

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<v Speaker 3>a game-winning home run three nights in a row, your

1:49:40.380 --> 1:49:43.720
<v Speaker 3>war could be three because you won three games. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>in reality, your home run won a game three consecutive

1:49:47.640 --> 1:49:50.450
<v Speaker 3>nights three Yet war wouldn't look at it that way

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<v Speaker 3>over 162 games. Maybe your war winds up only being

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<v Speaker 3>two and a half, but I would say, well, what

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<v Speaker 3>about those three nights in a row you had the

1:49:56.570 --> 1:50:01.780
<v Speaker 3>game-winning hit? See, it just makes me nuts sometimes.

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<v Speaker 2>Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

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<v Speaker 3>There you go. All right, something more tangible. Give me

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<v Speaker 3>your reaction to the much-debated... hit on Oregon quarterback Dante

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<v Speaker 3>Moore Saturday night. He is, I will let you describe

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<v Speaker 3>the play because I think your point is the way

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<v Speaker 3>he approached the play and ultimately executed the play and

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<v Speaker 3>then the hit. But you set up what happened and

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<v Speaker 3>how it looked.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so the USC player comes and as Dante Moore

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<v Speaker 2>is getting ready to take a slide, he comes and just,

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<v Speaker 2>I am always a defender most of the time of

1:50:37.090 --> 1:50:40.770
<v Speaker 2>the defensive players saying, hey, it's good. He did kind

1:50:40.790 --> 1:50:41.250
<v Speaker 2>of go at his head.

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<v Speaker 3>Quarterback is sliding. Quarterback is sliding. And the defender is

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<v Speaker 3>a missile right.

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<v Speaker 2>And even more so, it was how he behaved afterward.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean? Celebrated. Celebrated. Separated himself from

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<v Speaker 2>everybody else. Look at me. Now, he was wrong in

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<v Speaker 2>that instance. But I do think there's a good conversation

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<v Speaker 2>going on right now about, You know, how to treat

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<v Speaker 2>the quarterback and the running quarterback. And sometimes these quarterbacks,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a big case being made. I know Lamar Jackson

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<v Speaker 2>does this. He always goes forward. He doesn't do the

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<v Speaker 2>slide thing. A, because you get more yards, right? And B.

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<v Speaker 3>Because when you go into a slide giving yourself up,

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<v Speaker 3>it's the instant where your foot sticks in the ground

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<v Speaker 3>for the slide.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where.

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<v Speaker 9>No.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the instant you start to drop. I see what

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<v Speaker 2>you're saying. The instance you go to give yourself up,

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<v Speaker 2>it's right there. Gotcha. So a lot of times a

1:51:38.360 --> 1:51:42.800
<v Speaker 2>quarterback will slide, but the spot is actually two yards

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<v Speaker 2>behind that. But I just think that the defenders, I

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<v Speaker 2>think there should be some onus or some punishment on

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<v Speaker 2>a quarterback that then will run the ball and... deliver

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<v Speaker 2>a hit, knowing that the defender's like, do I tackle you?

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<v Speaker 2>Do I not? You see Patrick Mahomes do it. I've

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<v Speaker 2>seen some videos this week where he goes and lowers

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<v Speaker 2>his shoulder to a guy, and the guy's getting ready

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<v Speaker 2>to tackle him on the sideline. So I think there

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be some conversation of the responsibility. of the quarterback,

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<v Speaker 2>and is there a penalty? I don't know exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I've seen quarterbacks do a little fake-a-roo, like a

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<v Speaker 3>fake slide, and that causes the defender to momentarily freeze

1:52:22.290 --> 1:52:24.990
<v Speaker 3>because you say, okay, he's giving himself up, and then

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<v Speaker 3>he doesn't give himself up.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. How much the quarterback is protected, and maybe rightfully so,

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<v Speaker 2>is really confusing for a defensive player.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw this yesterday. This was pretty cool. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if you've seen this about the UCLA coach, Bob Chesney.

1:52:45.610 --> 1:52:50.550
<v Speaker 3>He reached out to the Oregon coach, Dan Lanning. And

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<v Speaker 3>Dante Moore is still in Los Angeles. At least he

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<v Speaker 3>was yesterday, I think, still being evaluated. Bob Chesney, the

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<v Speaker 3>UCLA coach, reached out to Dan Lanning and said, Hey,

1:53:02.320 --> 1:53:05.780
<v Speaker 3>I'm in town. And if you need me to check

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<v Speaker 3>in on him or because Oregon had gone back on me.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you need me, if I can help in

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<v Speaker 3>any way, just stop by and say hi to him,

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<v Speaker 3>see how he's doing, pass along anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Which I thought about that. I said, well, that's actually.

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of cool that he would reach out to Lanning

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<v Speaker 3>and say he's in our city. And if there's anything

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<v Speaker 3>I can do, let me know, which I applaud. That

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<v Speaker 3>was very cool.

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<v Speaker 2>That was cool. He's a good guy. Let's do this.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's take a timeout and come back. Let's figure out

1:53:34.760 --> 1:53:37.419
<v Speaker 3>what we've left out to this point, and then we'll

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<v Speaker 3>do your Rocky's Road. I want to ask you about

1:53:40.960 --> 1:53:41.890
<v Speaker 3>Jaden Mays.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, how about that? And more. He is Rocky. I'm Lance.

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<v Speaker 3>Rocky Boyman. We're at Long Necks in Wilder, the first

1:54:37.510 --> 1:54:40.930
<v Speaker 3>of a three-week run. Braves and Phillies on, and the

1:54:40.970 --> 1:54:45.830
<v Speaker 3>Braves have struck for three in the second in this winner-take-all.

1:54:46.650 --> 1:54:50.070
<v Speaker 3>Loser goes home, 3-0 Braves over the Phillies.

1:54:50.090 --> 1:54:50.160
<v Speaker 1>And.

1:54:52.860 --> 1:54:56.200
<v Speaker 3>Let's see, New Mexico State leading Western Kentucky, the Hilltoppers, 6-3.

1:54:56.280 --> 1:54:59.820
<v Speaker 2>I got both of those teams coming up here. By

1:54:59.860 --> 1:55:00.300
<v Speaker 2>the way, I.

1:55:02.460 --> 1:55:04.350
<v Speaker 3>Thought that ball was hit pretty well. It was going out.

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<v Speaker 3>Just a quick, totally unrelated note. Did you happen to

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<v Speaker 3>see the college game day kicker kick the field goal

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<v Speaker 3>for a million and a half this week?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't see this, and I saw the one a

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<v Speaker 2>week before.

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<v Speaker 3>And he did it barefoot. Back-to-back weeks, barefoot kickers.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like you're going to have to start making

1:55:25.090 --> 1:55:27.830
<v Speaker 2>that harder, because two weeks in a row, giving away

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<v Speaker 2>a million bucks.

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<v Speaker 3>This kid, and Peyton Manning was on the scene, because

1:55:31.150 --> 1:55:35.210
<v Speaker 3>it was before the Texas-Tennessee game. But this kid misses

1:55:35.250 --> 1:55:38.190
<v Speaker 3>the first one barefoot, and then, of course, the crowd

1:55:38.210 --> 1:55:40.370
<v Speaker 3>goes crazy. And one more try, one more try. So

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<v Speaker 3>for a million and a half, barefoot, he nails right

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<v Speaker 3>down the middle. And wins a million and a half.

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<v Speaker 3>And the one you saw two weeks ago, that was

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<v Speaker 3>good from, I mean, distance, like straight down the heart

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<v Speaker 3>of it.

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<v Speaker 2>It was unbelievable. I should have looked this up, but

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<v Speaker 2>who's the last kicker in the NFL to kick barefooted?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh.

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<v Speaker 3>Because that used to be kind of a thing when

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<v Speaker 3>I was young. And there were barefoot punters, too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what?

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<v Speaker 3>I need to look up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a shame they don't make a device where you

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<v Speaker 2>can plug it in and ask a question. Well, hold

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<v Speaker 2>on here.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to say Russell Erksel. I don't think Russell

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<v Speaker 3>Erksel was a barefoot kicker.

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<v Speaker 2>Here we go.

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to say Tony Franklin. Russ drops in.

1:56:26.450 --> 1:56:29.650
<v Speaker 3>Tony Franklin, who kicked for the Patriots, I remember. History

1:56:29.670 --> 1:56:34.570
<v Speaker 3>of barefoot kick. Tony Franklin, popularized the trend. Entered the

1:56:34.610 --> 1:56:38.790
<v Speaker 3>NFL in 1979 with the Eagles. Famously earning the nickname

1:56:38.810 --> 1:56:43.450
<v Speaker 3>the Barefoot Kicker. Kicked a 59-yarder. Rick Carlos, full-time barefoot

1:56:43.490 --> 1:56:46.670
<v Speaker 3>kicker for the Broncos during the 90s. Mike Lansford of

1:56:46.710 --> 1:56:51.150
<v Speaker 3>the Rams. Jeff Wilkins as well. And then he goes

1:56:51.210 --> 1:56:53.890
<v Speaker 3>on to talk about the style disappearing as well. But, yeah,

1:56:53.950 --> 1:56:58.010
<v Speaker 3>barefoot for a while. But back-to-back weeks, 1.5 million for

1:56:58.050 --> 1:57:01.260
<v Speaker 3>those kicks. All right, now to the really serious stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Your last game was a Friday, which intrigues me. Before

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<v Speaker 3>we get into the nuts and bolts of the game

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<v Speaker 3>and players you met, How often has ESPN, or have they,

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<v Speaker 3>done a regular season Friday afternoon 4 o'clock college football game?

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<v Speaker 3>And why did it happen in this instance?

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<v Speaker 4>Never.

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<v Speaker 2>And the reason is, and think about this, the power

1:57:24.890 --> 1:57:30.260
<v Speaker 2>of ESPN. ACDC had a concert the following Tuesday, and

1:57:30.300 --> 1:57:33.420
<v Speaker 2>they said they needed to get in on Saturday into

1:57:33.440 --> 1:57:37.080
<v Speaker 2>the Lincoln Financial Field to be able to set up

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<v Speaker 2>properly for a Tuesday concert. The power of ACDC moved

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<v Speaker 2>an entire college football game. How did I not hear that?

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<v Speaker 2>That's a great story. It's amazing, right?

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<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>So could this be... Based on reaction, could this be

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<v Speaker 3>something that ESPN says, light bulb, maybe we should do

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<v Speaker 3>this more often?

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<v Speaker 2>Funny you should ask this because I just got the

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<v Speaker 2>internal numbers today. That game did 800,000. The analytics say?

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<v Speaker 2>That game did 800,000 for a 4 p.m.

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<v Speaker 9>Game.

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<v Speaker 3>So you bet your patootie that that's.

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<v Speaker 2>They're going to consider that 4 p.m. window on the front. Now,

1:58:13.620 --> 1:58:15.660
<v Speaker 2>you know, a lot of people are probably watching on

1:58:15.680 --> 1:58:18.610
<v Speaker 2>the back end, and it was a close game. Some

1:58:18.630 --> 1:58:21.130
<v Speaker 2>more people came in. But, yeah, I mean, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>chance to get on national TV on ESPN1.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Albeit at 4 o'clock.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's a uniqueness to it for the football fanatic

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<v Speaker 3>who says, wait a minute, you're telling me there's a

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<v Speaker 3>college football game on a Friday afternoon?

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<v Speaker 2>I'll watch. They could call it something. Early Friday, something

1:58:40.050 --> 1:58:41.930
<v Speaker 2>like that. Give it a nickname and get a whole

1:58:42.030 --> 1:58:44.750
<v Speaker 2>thing behind it. Happy Hour Football.

1:58:44.770 --> 1:58:48.600
<v Speaker 3>Tune in to ESPN. Happy Hour Football, Friday afternoon at 4.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to steal that idea and give it to

1:58:50.500 --> 1:58:52.080
<v Speaker 2>my bosses and claim all the credit.

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<v Speaker 3>And I would think, man, if you're a broadcaster like yourself,

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<v Speaker 3>you get a Friday game, that means your weekend's clear

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<v Speaker 3>to watch your kids play and everything else.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, it could have worked out better. It was also

1:59:01.740 --> 1:59:04.370
<v Speaker 2>nice because, you know, it's... Usually you get back to

1:59:04.390 --> 1:59:07.030
<v Speaker 2>the hotel, it's like 11.30 at night, and this time

1:59:07.110 --> 1:59:11.070
<v Speaker 2>it's like 7.30. It was great. Oh, that's beautiful. Back home,

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<v Speaker 2>the whole weekend at home.

1:59:12.170 --> 1:59:12.370
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

1:59:12.590 --> 1:59:13.290
<v Speaker 2>It was great.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, so the really cool thing, among many things

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<v Speaker 3>I want to ask you about this game, tell me

1:59:18.840 --> 1:59:24.060
<v Speaker 3>about your connection to Jaden Mays. Your tweet and the

1:59:24.160 --> 1:59:26.260
<v Speaker 3>photos were fantastic.

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<v Speaker 2>Amazing, right?

1:59:26.620 --> 1:59:27.700
<v Speaker 3>Explain the back story to all this.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so... Right when I got out of the NFL,

1:59:30.630 --> 1:59:32.220
<v Speaker 2>I'm trying to figure out life and what I want

1:59:32.260 --> 1:59:34.180
<v Speaker 2>to do and what direction and this and that. I'm

1:59:34.220 --> 1:59:35.780
<v Speaker 2>trying a million things. But one of the things I

1:59:35.800 --> 1:59:40.060
<v Speaker 2>did was I started my own football training academy, the

1:59:40.120 --> 1:59:44.190
<v Speaker 2>Rocky Boyman Football Academy, where I trained young athletes of

1:59:44.400 --> 1:59:47.450
<v Speaker 2>various ages on football and drills and all that sort

1:59:47.490 --> 1:59:51.129
<v Speaker 2>of thing. And in 2000, I guess I started that

1:59:51.330 --> 1:59:54.130
<v Speaker 2>in 2010. So 2011, one of my first seasons doing that,

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<v Speaker 2>I was able to train this young kid named Jaden Mays.

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<v Speaker 2>And he played for Fairfield Youth. Unbelievable. Great athlete, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and just like the sweetest kid in the world. And

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<v Speaker 2>his mom, Kelly Hutchings, she made like a picture book,

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<v Speaker 2>and I have it, of like all of me training

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<v Speaker 2>him and all this stuff. And some of his, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was fantastic. And I followed his career. He went

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<v Speaker 2>to Fairfield High School, did well, wound up going to Army,

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<v Speaker 2>but I never had an opportunity to call an Army game. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>lo and behold, I get this game, kind of a

2:00:28.550 --> 2:00:32.950
<v Speaker 2>last-minute thing. So I reach out to her and blah, blah, blah, blah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I get to talk with Jaden before the game. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>how cool. And honestly, the week before, he had given

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<v Speaker 2>up a pretty critical play kind of thing, and I

2:00:42.840 --> 2:00:44.700
<v Speaker 2>know he's probably down about it. Well, he had the

2:00:44.820 --> 2:00:49.010
<v Speaker 2>game-sealing problem. fourth down pass breakup to win the game

2:00:49.290 --> 2:00:52.090
<v Speaker 2>and i'm like going nuts up there like going crazy

2:00:52.130 --> 2:00:54.830
<v Speaker 2>for my guy right because he's such a great kid

2:00:54.850 --> 2:00:56.990
<v Speaker 2>i mean again he's that army like i mean just

2:00:57.090 --> 2:01:01.770
<v Speaker 2>a it's an awesome awesome kid that's very and then

2:01:01.810 --> 2:01:04.490
<v Speaker 2>even better man so you know the game ends right

2:01:04.530 --> 2:01:07.190
<v Speaker 2>then we're you know we kind of you know do

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<v Speaker 2>a few things and get off headset and walk go

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<v Speaker 2>down the you know the stair go down the elevator

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<v Speaker 2>walking out as i'm you know, kind of walking out

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<v Speaker 2>to go out of the stadium inside the bowels of

2:01:16.620 --> 2:01:18.960
<v Speaker 2>the stadium. He comes around the corner after being on

2:01:18.980 --> 2:01:22.480
<v Speaker 2>the field, big hug right there. I mean, it was,

2:01:22.590 --> 2:01:25.190
<v Speaker 2>it's just, it was the best and just such a wonderful,

2:01:26.130 --> 2:01:31.030
<v Speaker 2>awesome young man, great football player, great family. Just, Just amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>It was so cool.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, I watched parts of it, but not all of it.

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<v Speaker 3>Was that story part of the game storyline on the broadcast?

2:01:38.470 --> 2:01:41.330
<v Speaker 3>Did they detail your connection or pictures or anything?

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<v Speaker 2>It should have been. It wasn't because I had sent it.

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<v Speaker 2>It just didn't make it in. And I thought that

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<v Speaker 2>right at the end there. Because I had the picture

2:01:51.700 --> 2:01:53.720
<v Speaker 2>that I posted of me and him when we were

2:01:54.280 --> 2:01:57.660
<v Speaker 2>eight years old, right? It didn't make it in. Whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fine. It would have been cool. Just a really,

2:02:02.590 --> 2:02:07.990
<v Speaker 2>really neat kid and future leader of this world. He

2:02:08.070 --> 2:02:10.570
<v Speaker 2>made a great play. That's excellent. Congrats.

2:02:11.310 --> 2:02:14.870
<v Speaker 3>We were talking before the show. The only connection I

2:02:14.890 --> 2:02:19.110
<v Speaker 3>have to that game, I've interviewed Tyler Walker, who is

2:02:19.190 --> 2:02:25.030
<v Speaker 3>the Temple offensive coordinator who has connections to Hamilton and

2:02:25.350 --> 2:02:27.830
<v Speaker 3>was the quarterback at Hamilton High School and walked on,

2:02:27.870 --> 2:02:29.710
<v Speaker 3>I think, at Miami and may have been a grad

2:02:29.730 --> 2:02:33.290
<v Speaker 3>assistant for Chuck Martin. Long story short, was at Montana

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<v Speaker 3>State as a power as their offensive coordinator. And when

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<v Speaker 3>the Temple coaching staff was being assembled with his new staff,

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<v Speaker 3>he left to become their offensive coordinator there.

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<v Speaker 2>I did a Montana State game two years ago, and

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sitting in a coach's office in Montana State and

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<v Speaker 2>It's him, right? And it's like, you're from Cincinnati, too.

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<v Speaker 2>How the hell did we both get here, you know?

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<v Speaker 2>It was pretty cool. He does a great job.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's a power. Montana State has a heck of

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<v Speaker 3>a program. What do we have? We have the Steelers

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<v Speaker 3>taking the lead, 7-0 over the Cleveland Browns.

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<v Speaker 2>Steelers. Oh, no, something good has happened for the Browns.

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<v Speaker 3>The Browns, they must have picked off Aaron Rodgers.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe a fumble. Oh, sacked, yes.

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<v Speaker 3>I've got to check my poll question to see what

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<v Speaker 3>the results are of the question I asked earlier.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see.

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<v Speaker 3>We were debating for Bengals purposes, which team would you

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<v Speaker 3>rather see lose tonight? This is a very solid number.

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<v Speaker 12>85%.

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<v Speaker 2>85% say Bengals.

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<v Speaker 3>You'd rather see the Pittsburgh Steelers lose tonight in Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 3>I would agree with.

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<v Speaker 2>The– I'll take that as the final answer. I would

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<v Speaker 2>have guessed that result.

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<v Speaker 3>Final answer, yeah. I wonder why it's not 100%. So

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<v Speaker 3>you are, let's see, with– you had the Friday game.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't have a game this weekend.

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I got 10 days off, so I have

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<v Speaker 2>no game this weekend. So the next, like, what, four

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<v Speaker 2>or five weeks, I go to just midweek games. So

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<v Speaker 2>I will have the– Tuesday or Wednesday, stand-alone ESPN 2 game.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, nice.

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<v Speaker 4>Cool.

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<v Speaker 2>So we get a nice audience. So this coming Tuesday,

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<v Speaker 2>it's Southern Miss at Troy. But, again, it will be

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<v Speaker 2>on ESPN. Troy won the Sun Belt West last year.

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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 3>By the way, I just thought of a random note

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<v Speaker 3>about Tony Franklin, our barefoot kicker. Do you remember the

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<v Speaker 3>legendary snowplow game? The story behind it? Tony Franklin is

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<v Speaker 3>the one who kicked the game winning. When Ron Myers,

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<v Speaker 3>the Patriots coach, told the guy who was the prison

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<v Speaker 3>worker who runs the snowplow, go out there and play.

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<v Speaker 2>Snow, he couldn't see anything. And nobody knew what was

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<v Speaker 2>going on.

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<v Speaker 3>And Ron Myers said, hey, go out there and plow

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<v Speaker 3>a spot for us. So they run the snowplow out

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<v Speaker 3>onto the field, clear a spot. And I'm sure it

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<v Speaker 3>was Tony Franklin barefoot, I believe. Russ, look that up

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<v Speaker 3>if you could find it. I believe that's right. Tony

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<v Speaker 3>Franklin kicked the game-winning field goal after the snowplow had

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<v Speaker 3>cleared the spot to win the game over the Dolphins.

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<v Speaker 3>And Don Shula, who was on the NFL rules committee.

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<v Speaker 2>Just blew a gasket.

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<v Speaker 3>That they were allowed. The referee said, oh, yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 3>break the snowplow out, Clarissa.

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<v Speaker 2>I got to say, that's one thing with the NFL

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<v Speaker 2>becoming so big and so corporate and so commercial. Something

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<v Speaker 2>like that would never happen. I was thinking the other day, too,

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<v Speaker 2>about the famous Sam White's, you don't live in Cleveland.

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<v Speaker 2>Could you imagine Sean McVay grabbing the house mic?

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<v Speaker 4>No.

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<v Speaker 2>It would never happen anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, it was John Smith. All right, the story's not

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<v Speaker 3>nearly as good. It was not Tony Franklin. Would have

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<v Speaker 3>been a much greater story. We should have just left

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<v Speaker 3>it there. See you later. But that moment, it's just

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<v Speaker 3>to see, and I'm sure the guy in the snowplow

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<v Speaker 3>was working on prison release. They put in a few

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<v Speaker 3>hours snowplowing the field.

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<v Speaker 2>Like, come on. And Don Shula was so ticked. Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>the ground scored.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, we don't like this trend. We don't like this

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<v Speaker 3>trend at all. All right, we're out of time. Thanks

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<v Speaker 3>to Russ for producing tonight. Thanks to Mike for taking

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<v Speaker 3>care of us. Thanks to Fran and his lovely wife, Phyllis,

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<v Speaker 3>for hanging out with us. It was good to see

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<v Speaker 3>Casey and Peyton and everybody else who was here tonight.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll do it next week, and we've got a drawing

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<v Speaker 13>What's next for the death row inmate they couldn't kill?

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<v Speaker 13>This is the 9 o'clock report.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm Matt Reese.

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<v Speaker 13>Krista Pike survived what's being called a botched execution attempt

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<v Speaker 13>last night in Tennessee and is hospitalized tonight. She's been

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<v Speaker 13>on death row in Tennessee for a murder back in

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<v Speaker 13>1995 when she was 18 years old. Two doses of

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<v Speaker 13>a lethal drug were not