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Speaker 4: All Right, Philly Cunningham, the great American. Thanks for listening tonight,
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Speaker 4: than otherwise would be. Privately, things are great, have Thanksgiving
Speaker 4: planned and I have about twenty five people over to
Speaker 4: the house, and as you know, it's my tradition to
Speaker 4: have all the women come about two o'clock or three
Speaker 4: o'clock in the afternoon. And I have a massage table
Speaker 4: set up and a part of my house, and I
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Speaker 4: know women work hard to prepare Thanksgiving dinner, hopefully by
Speaker 4: six pm on Thanksgiving night, and it's a wonderful gathering
Speaker 4: of the cunning clan. And you know, without women, I
Speaker 4: was born of woman, I was raised by women, I
Speaker 4: dated women, I married a woman, and I have a
Speaker 4: beautiful granddaughter that I love her dearly. And when I die,
Speaker 4: I'll be cared for by women. So without women, we
Speaker 4: men will still be savages. So I want to thank
Speaker 4: all the women. I know it's a bit premature, but
Speaker 4: what about eleven days away we're going to have Thanksgiving.
Speaker 4: But I tend to think that women do about ninety
Speaker 4: percent of the work and men eat ninety percent of
Speaker 4: the food. So we thank women greatly for making us
Speaker 4: less than savage, and for making my life so good.
Speaker 4: Whenever I reflect upon I watched this one series. I
Speaker 4: think it was on CBS Morning News. Every now and
Speaker 4: then Ted Copple does something right. On CBS Morning News,
Speaker 4: he had a segment about how hard it is to
Speaker 4: be a lower middle class or a poor American without
Speaker 4: a place to live. He had a story this morning.
Speaker 4: Three women in the Atlanta area. One had eight children.
Speaker 4: One might ask where are the fathers? And at some
Speaker 4: point you have to realize how those things happen. But nonetheless,
Speaker 4: and this woman gets up every day, works about fifty
Speaker 4: hours a week and has eight children and has completely overwhelmed.
Speaker 4: Another one had four kids, and another one I had
Speaker 4: some disabilities of one type or another. So whenever I
Speaker 4: think my cup is about three quarters full, I look
Speaker 4: at others and say, you know what, But for the
Speaker 4: grace of God, there goes I. This is regressing a
Speaker 4: little bit. But you might know that when I was
Speaker 4: twelve or thirteen years old, my alcoholic father said that's it.
Speaker 4: Left never saw him again the rest of my life.
Speaker 4: I left my mother and it with an eighth grade education,
Speaker 4: not working with four children of tender years. And but
Speaker 4: for the fact my auntie and that Arling House took
Speaker 4: us in to her home, a mother and four kids,
Speaker 4: and she was already living with another sister and her mother.
Speaker 4: There was quite a crew there and we slept together
Speaker 4: quite often. I don't know what would happen to the
Speaker 4: Cunningham plan, so I'm sure and that Arling House is
Speaker 4: in heaven above with my dear mom, and I thank
Speaker 4: you for the sacrifices you made the matter lives possible.
Speaker 4: All four kids are extremely functional. All four of us
Speaker 4: have advanced college degrees. One has passed on the other
Speaker 4: three are still with us. And I have thanksgiving for
Speaker 4: these sacrifices my family has made for me. So as
Speaker 4: you get ready for Thanksgiving, I think of the same
Speaker 4: thing about especially the women in your home who need
Speaker 4: special attention in that special day. Now, let's get on
Speaker 4: to the topic du jour. As you may know, I've
Speaker 4: been somewhat recalcitrant in getting into the Jeffrey Epstein matter.
Speaker 4: The reason is obvious to me. It was again tonight
Speaker 4: that Halle Jackson NBC Nightly News did another segment in
Speaker 4: which there were five or six women appeared to be
Speaker 4: now in their forties and fifties who had pictures in
Speaker 4: them with every teenage girls. And I've tried to stay
Speaker 4: away from it because it's a classic dodge and a
Speaker 4: diversion from not covering the good things happening in the
Speaker 4: Trump administration. And there's lots of good stuff happening with
Speaker 4: Donald Trump administration, including the precursors of fentanyl that now
Speaker 4: won't be coming from China. The southern borders largely is functional,
Speaker 4: and we're working through all the government benefits that are
Speaker 4: wrongfully given to non Americans. The world is a much
Speaker 4: more peaceful place than it was because of Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: and I have great confidence in his ability to lead
Speaker 4: us on. And so when the media can't cover the
Speaker 4: right things going on with Donald Trump, they jump into
Speaker 4: the Jeffrey Epstein sewer and cover that story again and
Speaker 4: again and again, and on Tuesday, all hell's going to
Speaker 4: break loose because there's going to be dozens of not
Speaker 4: one hundred, of victims of Jeffrey Epstein that'll be on
Speaker 4: the steps of the Capitol with pictures of them when
Speaker 4: they were teenage girls sexually abused and trafficked by Jeffrey
Speaker 4: Epstein and Julane Maxwell. And I certainly believe it happened
Speaker 4: in fact, she was convicted and he was convicted and
Speaker 4: early in twenty eight and then of course he hung
Speaker 4: himself before the second trial would commence. And so did
Speaker 4: it happen, Absolutely, no question about it. But I have
Speaker 4: many questions about why is it being covered? In twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five, we had four long years of the Joe
Speaker 4: Biden Kamala Harris administration. They had access to in possession
Speaker 4: of all the emails that the media once distributed today
Speaker 4: and did nothing with them for four years. You cannot
Speaker 4: tell me that Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and James
Speaker 4: Coney Comy and Mary Garland if there was something negative
Speaker 4: about Donald Trump, would they have made that public?
Speaker 5: Do you think? Absolutely? Absolutely?
Speaker 4: It was well known, it was out there, and they
Speaker 4: had the same access to the FBI files to doj
Speaker 4: files on the Epstein files as Donald Trump has now
Speaker 4: and did nothing with them for four years. It's kind
Speaker 4: of like the dog that doesn't bark? Why didn't If
Speaker 4: there's if there's inculplatory information about Donald Trump in those
Speaker 4: files in possession of Mary Garland and James Comy and
Speaker 4: Kamala Harris and Joe Biden, why'm were't they is closed,
Speaker 4: one might say, because there isn't. I'll line up on
Speaker 4: one side of the fence, those who say that Donald
Speaker 4: Trump did not engage in sexual misconduct with teenage girls,
Speaker 4: and the Jeffrey Epstein matter. I can line it up
Speaker 4: from here to Tim Buck too, but it doesn't make
Speaker 4: any difference to the media. One of the classic moments
Speaker 4: tonight on NBC night inl the News with Halle Jackson.
Speaker 4: I'll point out first of all that it's a criminal
Speaker 4: defense attorney. I've represented many rapists who have raped women
Speaker 4: and sexual assaults, maybe ten to fifteen trials over my career.
Speaker 4: They're always sick and demented, but they need representation, damn it.
Speaker 4: I provided it. So I get that women often don't
Speaker 4: want to talk about these things because it is painful,
Speaker 4: it's personal, and they hate it and it colors them
Speaker 4: for the rest of their life. I understand that. So
Speaker 4: Halle Jackson tonight, the main correspondent on Sundays NBC Nightly News,
Speaker 4: had four or five present and they talked had pictures
Speaker 4: of them when they were teenage girls, which I thought
Speaker 4: was very poignant, and I can only imagine the difficulties
Speaker 4: they've gone through in their life. And if you check
Speaker 4: the NBC Nightly News website, which I have right here,
Speaker 4: their names are President Epstein's survivors, et cetera. They're brave
Speaker 4: women in their thirties, forties, and fifties, and many times.
Speaker 4: These events started as early as nineteen ninety six with
Speaker 4: a woman named Farmer, and she's still with us, thank god.
Speaker 4: So she's approximately fifty years old, I would think, and
Speaker 4: she claimed in nineteen ninety six that Jeffrey Epstein raped her,
Speaker 4: and her story is quite believable. And she went to
Speaker 4: the NYPD Sex Crimes Unit, and by the middle nineteen
Speaker 4: nineties it was a well established unit. It was accepted
Speaker 4: as a real thing. Maybe in the forties and fifties
Speaker 4: and sixties it wasn't, but today it is. And after
Speaker 4: a thorough investigation, NYPD decided not to follow criminal charges
Speaker 4: against Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 5: In his mind, he got away with it.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it happen or didn't happen, but no
Speaker 4: criminal charges were filed. And the woman went on with
Speaker 4: those lot, went on with her life, and she does
Speaker 4: interviews right now. And this continued, I think from that
Speaker 4: nineteen ninety six all the way through twenty nineteen before
Speaker 4: he was arrested. Before Jeffrey Epstein was arrested, in fact,
Speaker 4: a little side note, there was a Democratic female congresswoman,
Speaker 4: shall I say, texting with Jeffrey Epstein before he was
Speaker 4: killed himself. Epstein was suggesting questions to the Democrat interviewing
Speaker 4: someone about the Epstein matter during a congressional hearing, which
Speaker 4: is kind of sick, and said would you agree? So
Speaker 4: since since this thing erupted in twenty oh six, seven
Speaker 4: twenty eight in Miami Dade, there was women and men
Speaker 4: that came forward to say Jeffrey Epstein was conducting some
Speaker 4: sort of sex trafficking operation as affront, and that he
Speaker 4: would provide two certain individuals young women in a sick
Speaker 4: fashion to satisfy their sexual desires and sexual predilections. One
Speaker 4: of them, of course, was the most noted one that
Speaker 4: we have today is Virginia Geffrey, and she killed herself
Speaker 4: about six months ago in Australia. And so Virginia Giuffrey
Speaker 4: was sexually abused as a child, ended up on the street,
Speaker 4: was an attractive woman that somehow made herself to a
Speaker 4: modeling agency and somehow worked away because of Maxwell to
Speaker 4: become a Chaws, a massage therapist for Jeffrey Epstein, and
Speaker 4: so she was there for about two and a half years.
Speaker 4: And from that there was a thorough investigation twenty six,
Speaker 4: twenty seven, twenty eight eight, and of course Epstein had
Speaker 4: access to the finest lawyer's money can buy, and an
Speaker 4: odd twist and turn, the Feds, after a lengthy investigation,
Speaker 4: many emails, many reports, its, many files, decided to let
Speaker 4: the state authorities proceed, which is quite unusual. And state
Speaker 4: authorities proceeded. He pled guilty to some offenses and received
Speaker 4: about eight months in the county jail, but he got
Speaker 4: work release almost immediately. So in the morning he would
Speaker 4: report back to his mansions in West Palm Beach. Then
Speaker 4: at night he'd report back to the jail. Most of
Speaker 4: the time, some days he didn't. So from that two
Speaker 4: year investigation we have reams of paper reports, emails, documents,
Speaker 4: text messaging, grand jury materials that the Donald Trump administration
Speaker 4: urged the judge to release, by the way, and the
Speaker 4: judge said no. This is going back about a year,
Speaker 4: and so we have reams of information thoroughly investigating Jeffrey
Speaker 4: Epstein in twenty six twenty seven and twenty oh eight,
Speaker 4: and there were many lawsuits filed subsequent to that in
Speaker 4: which class action lawyers, and you know, class action law
Speaker 4: players can be very direct, and they wanted to sue
Speaker 4: everybody with a pocket, so they sued Jeffrey Epstein. They
Speaker 4: sued banks, they sued insurance companies, They sued everyone they
Speaker 4: could find who was involved in this thing directly indirectly,
Speaker 4: including Prince Andrew, who down the road settled the case
Speaker 4: for about twelve million dollars to get his name out
Speaker 4: of the mix, but that didn't work either. According to
Speaker 4: the women interviewed tonight by Hallie Jackson NBC Nightly News,
Speaker 4: one woman said there's as many as one thousand female
Speaker 4: victims of Jeffrey Epstein a thousand. Some have said one hundred,
Speaker 4: some have said five hundred, whatever number it is, one
Speaker 4: is way too many. But obviously there were at least
Speaker 4: one hundred, maybe as many as a thousand of the
Speaker 4: sexual operation. Media reports there was also videotaping of incidents
Speaker 4: in which Jeffrey Epstein could use that as extortion against
Speaker 4: others to get them to do what he wants to
Speaker 4: have done, and the FBI rated to Island at some
Speaker 4: point took his of tons of information out of Lolita
Speaker 4: Island with all kinds of records and hard drives, etc.
Speaker 5: What's become of that?
Speaker 4: Nobody knows at this point, as wesider. In twenty twenty five,
Speaker 4: there have been dozens, if not more than one hundred
Speaker 4: class action lawsuits filed against New York banks, new York
Speaker 4: brokerage firms that Jeffrey Epstein did, business, insurance companies, individuals
Speaker 4: all over the place who allegedly were involved in this,
Speaker 4: and as a consequence, almost every case has been settled.
Speaker 4: And the number of people involved in the class action lawsuits,
Speaker 4: many of which are still penning by the way, involved lawyers,
Speaker 4: administrative assistants, paralegals, and clerks, also court personnel of every description.
Speaker 4: So the number of people that have all the documents,
Speaker 4: all the information going back twenty years of federal and
Speaker 4: state and county investigations. About twenty thousand emails were released
Speaker 4: about four or five days ago, which, according to the
Speaker 4: testimony of these women, is the tip of the iceberg.
Speaker 4: There's more than a one hundred thousand, one hundred thousand emails,
Speaker 4: text messages, documents, gigabytes, maybe one hundred thousand documents might
Speaker 4: have three to four hundred thousand pages of information.
Speaker 5: So today tonight I watched.
Speaker 4: The NBC Night Lows about six thirty pm on WLWT
Speaker 4: in Cincinnati, NBC affiliate, and I'm waiting for Halle Jackson
Speaker 4: to ask the question, who sexually abused you? Give me
Speaker 4: names of men that you were traffic two, the rich
Speaker 4: and the famous, billionaires, politicians, bankers, the rich and the famous.
Speaker 4: The names are out there. Founders of Microsoft, big time lawyers,
Speaker 4: members of the Clinton administration, Bill Clinton himself. I'm waiting
Speaker 4: for someone to ask the question. Halle Jackson asked the question.
Speaker 4: Here you sit six women who are now in the
Speaker 4: the thirties and forties, and who raped you? Give me
Speaker 4: the name? The question was an asked. In fact, I
Speaker 4: can't watch everything and see everything simultaneously. I go to Wikipedia,
Speaker 4: which I trust about half the time, and as some
Speaker 4: names that people like Bill richardson there and Bill Gates
Speaker 4: there and Bill Clinton there, et cetera. But we'd talk
Speaker 4: about we'd have to talk about hundreds or a couple
Speaker 4: thousand men over a thirty year period who were had
Speaker 4: these girls trafficked to them, committing serious crimes against teenage
Speaker 4: girls and even adult women if they're trafficked or whatever,
Speaker 4: that's also a serious fello. And the human trafficking happens
Speaker 4: when you're eighteen, nineteen, twenty, twenty five, fifteen, sixteen. It's
Speaker 4: much worse, is it. Why isn't it asked of the
Speaker 4: women who committed these crimes against you? And obviously, if
Speaker 4: the Adam Shifts and the Jamie Raskins of this world
Speaker 4: know who they are, and they imply, yes, we know
Speaker 4: who they are, they also know that as a member
Speaker 4: of Congress, these guys can go directly to the will
Speaker 4: of the House, within their official duties and say whatever
Speaker 4: they want to say about who raped these women and
Speaker 4: why they were raped, and nothing can come of that,
Speaker 4: and the no defamation or whatever, because the Speech and
Speaker 4: Debate Clause of the United States Constitution gives each member
Speaker 4: of Congress absolute immunity from legal consequences for anything and
Speaker 4: everything they say on the floor of their respective chambers.
Speaker 4: So if they have information as to the men that
Speaker 4: did this, and I want to know their names from
Speaker 4: classified to completely defamatory, they can read it out loud,
Speaker 4: speak of it without an illegal replication repercussions at all.
Speaker 4: For them on the floor. Why has that not happened?
Speaker 4: I'm waiting anyone give me an answer on that one.
Speaker 4: Who are they, what did they do? When did it happen?
Speaker 4: How many times did it occur? And the answer is
Speaker 4: we get nothing. Zero immunity is available to these Trump
Speaker 4: hating democrats from AOC to Jamie Raskin, just get give
Speaker 4: me the name. They can go on the floor of
Speaker 4: the House or Senate and speak until their hearts content.
Speaker 4: And if the victims, so to speak, do not want
Speaker 4: to do it for fear of repercussions from the billionaires. Okay,
Speaker 4: but the members of Congress knows they could announce the
Speaker 4: names have complete absolute immunity by the US Constitution. Why
Speaker 4: hasn't that happened? Now, let's continue, take a short break,
Speaker 4: I'll continue. I want to get your reaction now to
Speaker 4: what is behind the Jeffrey Epstein matter. Why isn't it?
Speaker 4: Shall we say known as to the rapist? I want
Speaker 4: the rapist names to be known. I want the objects
Speaker 4: of the human traffickers to say either out loud directly
Speaker 4: or the members of Congress would happened to them and
Speaker 4: they can speak?
Speaker 5: Why has that not happened? Is there something else behind this?
Speaker 4: Eight six six six four seven seven three three seven
Speaker 4: Bill Cunning and the great American with you and all
Speaker 4: great Americans every Sunday night. Well, let's continue, and every
Speaker 4: now and then I follow us. Congressman Roe OCNNA from California.
Speaker 4: He gave it was an appearance today on NBC News
Speaker 4: in which he said, this is not about Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: He said, there, quote, there are a lot of other
Speaker 4: people who were involved who have to be held accountable
Speaker 4: quote unquote. And I'm sitting here thinking, okay. Here we
Speaker 4: sit near Thanksgiving of twenty twenty five. This thing's been
Speaker 4: under investigation full time for about twenty years and partially
Speaker 4: for thirty years. Where are the name of the rapist
Speaker 4: of the perverts, other than, of course Jeffrey Epstein and
Speaker 4: Gallaine Maxwell. Where are the men who did this? There's
Speaker 4: hundreds of men. Are we chasing our tail? Is there's
Speaker 4: some reality we're missing? Let's continue. You have a call
Speaker 4: from Jacksonville, Florida. Eight sixty six six four seven, seven
Speaker 4: three three seven, Go Cunning in with you every seven.
Speaker 5: So here we go.
Speaker 4: Call us from Florida and Arizona many places. Eight six
Speaker 4: six six four seven seven three three seven Do you
Speaker 4: care about Epstein files? The media goes nuts, Tuesday is
Speaker 4: going to be a big day, a couple other things,
Speaker 4: and then LA, I want to get your opinions. NBC
Speaker 4: News tonight has a story let me read you a
Speaker 4: line from NBC News. Not exactly a fave of Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: NBC News goes after him with hooks and claws, as
Speaker 4: as ABC and CBS. The NBC News story says, among
Speaker 4: the following about this matter, the President's name appeared frequently
Speaker 4: in the emails, but Jeffrey Epstein did not in these
Speaker 4: files accuse him of any wrongdoing or illegal activity. Can
Speaker 4: you put that in ten point fifteen point italisized black letter?
Speaker 4: Let me try this to you again. The President's name
Speaker 4: appeared frequently in the emails, but Jeffrey Epstein did not
Speaker 4: in these files accuse him of any wrongdoing or illegal activity.
Speaker 4: Now is that the object of the media coverage? How
Speaker 4: many times have you hear a ms now talk about
Speaker 4: him being used? The term used by one of their
Speaker 4: anchors a pedophile, for which she quickly apologized for say
Speaker 4: it again. According to NBC News, Donald Trump was not
Speaker 4: accused by Jeffrey Epstein of any wrongdoing or legal activity.
Speaker 4: I'm not talking about something amounting to a crime. I'm
Speaker 4: talking about wrongdoing. So we have lineup on my side.
Speaker 5: Of the table.
Speaker 4: My side of the table says, if there's any more
Speaker 4: crimes or criminals, they'd be known already. And if Gallaine
Speaker 4: Maxwell had the goods on anyone, especially Donald Trump, who
Speaker 4: she says was a complete gentleman in her presence, But
Speaker 4: if she had the goods on anyone, she would have
Speaker 4: sung like a canary to get out from under twenty
Speaker 4: years in jail.
Speaker 5: And she said nothing. She had to get out of
Speaker 5: jail free card. She didn't use it.
Speaker 4: So on one hand, yeah, you have Gallaine Maxwell says Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: to use her words, was a complete gentleman in her presence.
Speaker 4: To use the words of Jeffrey Epstein, let me try
Speaker 4: this again, Jeffrey Epstein did not accuse Donald Trump of
Speaker 4: any wrongdoing or illegal activity. Throw it also on my
Speaker 4: side of the table. Virginia Goufrey, she wrote a book
Speaker 4: on the subject. She did not name names, but she
Speaker 4: specifically said that Donald Trump was a gentleman every time
Speaker 4: she saw him, and Geffrey that the main victim here,
Speaker 4: said donald Trump did nothing wrong.
Speaker 5: So not one victim has.
Speaker 4: Come forward to say that I was trafficked to Donald
Speaker 4: Trump as a teenage girl. How many out of the
Speaker 4: one thousand, According to one guest this afternoon on NBC
Speaker 4: Nightly News, none of the victims identified Donald Trump. Do
Speaker 4: you believe the victims that none of the victims accused
Speaker 4: Donald Trump? And do you believe them? I believe victims
Speaker 4: the great majority of the time.
Speaker 5: Every time.
Speaker 4: No, But I say, very few victims of rape or
Speaker 4: sexual assault when to publicized the fact of what happened.
Speaker 4: But the victims are unanimous and saying we got nothing
Speaker 4: on Donald Trump. Virginia Jeffrey the main victim who was
Speaker 4: trafficked by Jeffrey Epstein. She says to many, many, many
Speaker 4: over two and a half year period, said Donald Trump
Speaker 4: didn't do anything. We have Gallaine Maxwell, who said if
Speaker 4: I had information about Donald Trump, I wouldn't be sitting
Speaker 4: in jail for twenty years. She's already done five years.
Speaker 4: We have in addition to this, we have all the
Speaker 4: lawyers and all the pair of legals and all the
Speaker 4: administrative assistants in all the class action lawsuits. There's been
Speaker 4: dozens filed through discovery of cross examining victims and witnesses
Speaker 4: and doctors and cops and emergency rooms. Not one lawyer,
Speaker 4: many of whom hate Donald Trump, have come forward to say, well,
Speaker 4: I can put the hat on.
Speaker 5: Donald Trump said he did it.
Speaker 4: Not one throw on top of that, all the administrative assistants,
Speaker 4: all the pair of legals none, and all the grand
Speaker 4: jury testimony none on my side of the table. I
Speaker 4: think NBC News said it tonight. The president's name, although
Speaker 4: frequently mentioned in emails by Jeffrey Epstein, did not accuse
Speaker 4: him of any wrongdoing or illegal activity. Like a tenfold
Speaker 4: beacon of the night. There it is, So what can
Speaker 4: come out on Tuesday? I have no idea. Another thing,
Speaker 4: what isn't Donald Trump, which he said at one point,
Speaker 4: continue to say release everything. He tried to get the
Speaker 4: federal judge in Miami Dade County to release it, and
Speaker 4: he said no, what is it? Well, it is grand
Speaker 4: jury testimony generally not released. You have all the county
Speaker 4: and police prosecutors in New York City, West Palm, Miami
Speaker 4: Dade that their records generally are not released. But what
Speaker 4: is released or all the emails from the estate of
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein and gleaned through the dozens of lawsuits of
Speaker 4: all the information in the Department of Justice, and the
Speaker 4: Democrats in the in the Department of Justice, certainly for
Speaker 4: four years, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris and James Comy
Speaker 4: not exactly a fan of Donald Trump's, and Mary Garland
Speaker 4: had all this information and released none of it. So
Speaker 4: is there something in there against Donald Trump accusing him
Speaker 4: by a victim or a knowing person of a wrongdoing
Speaker 4: actor or legal act. The answer is no, it doesn't exist.
Speaker 4: So once you remove the emotion and getting Donald Trump,
Speaker 4: it appears at this point there's no there there. It
Speaker 4: has done to smear Donald Trump without facts. Do you
Speaker 4: believe the victims? I generally do. Do you believe Virginia Jeffrey, Yes,
Speaker 4: you wrote a book about it. Donald Trump didn't do it.
Speaker 4: Do you believe Ghlaine Maxwell, who said he was a
Speaker 4: complete gentleman, or Jeffrey Epstein, who accused Donald Trump of
Speaker 4: no wrongdoing? All the lawyers, the paralegals, the judges, all
Speaker 4: of whom, all the lawsuits for twenty thirty years, all
Speaker 4: the information, one hundred thousand documents, several gigabytes, five hundred
Speaker 4: thousand pages, Donald Trump's names in it, but not accusing
Speaker 4: him or any wrongdoing. So what in the hell are
Speaker 4: we talking about? It is unbelievable unless you have a
Speaker 4: bad case of Trump Derangement syndrome TDS. Have you got
Speaker 4: that no piece of evidence or truth? Well, dare dislodge
Speaker 4: the idea? You must get Donald Trump by any means necessary.
Speaker 4: So I want to get your feeling on this. What
Speaker 4: is behind this? Why is this happening now? Tuesday? The
Speaker 4: rest of this week, the media is going to be
Speaker 4: going nuts, And every time anyone brings it up. I
Speaker 4: want to hear victims say who raped them? Who committed
Speaker 4: sexual assaults on them? If you were trafficked to someone,
Speaker 4: give me the name of the man who sexually abused you.
Speaker 4: Who is that person, and then it's able to be investigated.
Speaker 4: The only name has come up so far as Prince Andrew.
Speaker 4: He's been defrocked and the Crown paid twelve million dollars
Speaker 4: to Virginia Duffrey, And certainly I believe that's consciousness of guilt.
Speaker 5: That's one.
Speaker 4: Are there any anyone else? Raise your hand? The billionaires,
Speaker 4: the bankers, the stockbrokers, the lawyers, the politicians, who are
Speaker 4: they all this time? I'm waiting to hear names who
Speaker 4: did this?
Speaker 5: Are you with me?
Speaker 4: Or are you against me? Let's go to the calls
Speaker 4: cline becomes available, which it never does eight six six
Speaker 4: six four seven seven three three seven. Sadly, I've been
Speaker 4: reluctant to deal with this because I know what the
Speaker 4: Democrats are doing, a classic smear tactic to blame Donald
Speaker 4: Trump for the behavior of Jeffrey Epstein or Julane Maxwell,
Speaker 4: when in fact, uh he kicked him out of his
Speaker 4: social circle sometime in like twenty oh seven, twenty oh eight.
Speaker 4: He was he pled guilty in twenty oh eight, and
Speaker 4: when he got out and out of Miami and came
Speaker 4: back to New York, I wouldn't note that George Stephanopolis
Speaker 4: also called George Slappinopolis and Katie Corek was wind dined
Speaker 4: in pocket Line by Jeffrey Epstein after they knew or
Speaker 4: should have known, he was a pervert. So Katie Corek,
Speaker 4: according to media accounts, and George Slappinopolis was wind and
Speaker 4: dined in the Epstein mansion after he got out of
Speaker 4: Miami Dade and went back to New York let's go
Speaker 4: to the calls if Marian Wisconsin and many others, and
Speaker 4: now what's behind it? Do you believe any of it?
Speaker 4: For the next hour, so I want to deal with it.
Speaker 4: Eight six six six four seven seven three three seven
Speaker 4: Mary in Wisconsin, and then Lucy, Mary in Wisconsin, Welcome
Speaker 4: to the Bill Cunningham Show, and give me a full report.
Speaker 6: Yes, Billy, I am reading Whitney Webb's One Nation Under
Speaker 6: Blackmail and would that ever open your eyes to schools
Speaker 6: all the way back to the nineteen twenties.
Speaker 5: Nineteen twenties been one hundred years.
Speaker 7: Crupt, crupt, and.
Speaker 6: It could really take downs many.
Speaker 4: Thank you for your call, Lucy, and Arizona the home
Speaker 4: of the Wildcats and the sun Devils. Lucy, Welcome to
Speaker 4: Bill Cunningham Show. Lucy, what do you think?
Speaker 7: I think that these were not choir girls. These were
Speaker 7: girls that were not held against their will to do
Speaker 7: anything they hadn't been doing with the captain of the
Speaker 7: football team in the backseat of a car on Friday night.
Speaker 7: If anybody is at fault, it was these girls' parents.
Speaker 7: How could you let your child come home with a
Speaker 7: lot of money not know where they've been for hours
Speaker 7: or get for how at weeks, however long. This is
Speaker 7: almost like another Cabanaugh where all these people got together.
Speaker 7: I don't doubt that one young girl told another girl, Oh,
Speaker 7: we're gonna get money to go here and be a massage.
Speaker 7: I don't doubt that Jeffrey Epstein was a horrible, horrible person.
Speaker 7: But I don't think all the fault belongs with the men.
Speaker 7: I think that the reason these victims are not forthcoming
Speaker 7: is because they were paid very well to do what
Speaker 7: they did.
Speaker 4: Lucia two responses. One, Virginia Giuffrey was sexually abused. She
Speaker 4: says when she was a little girl, she spent time
Speaker 4: on the street, she was homeless, and she was easily
Speaker 4: shall we say, course by Julanne Maxwell and in becoming
Speaker 4: a massage therapist. I don't know about the other ones,
Speaker 4: what their lives were like, but but we can't can't
Speaker 4: say to a fourteen, fifteen, sixteen seven year old girl
Speaker 4: that because you're knowledgeable about sex, that you're gonna have
Speaker 4: sex with billionaire men's men and princes, et cetera. And
Speaker 4: are you, as a woman, are you surprised at this
Speaker 4: point that we don't have the names of these billionaire men,
Speaker 4: bankers and lawyers who actually had sex.
Speaker 5: With the girls. Why aren't why aren't the names of
Speaker 5: the men out there?
Speaker 4: If in fact there's hundreds of these guys, where are
Speaker 4: they exactly exactly?
Speaker 7: This is the if the young girl, this is the fantasy,
Speaker 7: and they've built a fantasy around some of this stuff,
Speaker 7: and just somebody said, well, this is so and so,
Speaker 7: and this is so and so, and this is so
Speaker 7: and so, and they're just very influenced by Oh, this
Speaker 7: is whoever it is. I just I believe this is
Speaker 7: just blown so totally out of proportion. And let's get
Speaker 7: Donald Trump. Well, I don't doubt that Jeffrey Epstein was
Speaker 7: a horrible person. I don't doubt that there was some
Speaker 7: very hokey stuff going on, But I don't believe Donald
Speaker 7: Trump was involved in it. I don't believe a lot
Speaker 7: of these people that have been accused. I mean, maybe
Speaker 7: they got carried away, Maybe these girls did drugs, and
Speaker 7: I've read that they did. They had alcohol and drugs
Speaker 7: and all of this. But if this were so terribly bad,
Speaker 7: why are we not seeing more of exactly an account
Speaker 7: of who did what?
Speaker 4: Lucy, thank you for your call. I would say this,
Speaker 4: Virginia Giuffrey is a very sympathetic victim because I read
Speaker 4: some of her background. It was said, and if there
Speaker 4: were crimes being committed and the police were notified, which
Speaker 4: they were notified, the sex crimes unit in the mid
Speaker 4: nineteen nineties, New York City didn't do a damn thing
Speaker 4: about the alleged rape of this farmer woman who appears
Speaker 4: to be a believable witness, at the hands of Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 4: I'm waiting to hear the names of the men who
Speaker 4: did this. Their names got to come out, and I
Speaker 4: want to know who they are, and I'm sympathetic. We
Speaker 4: have laws that say that if you're under eighteen, you're
Speaker 4: gonna have sex with a man more than four years
Speaker 4: your age, in other word, twenty over twenty two years old,
Speaker 4: and the men who did this should be held to
Speaker 4: account criminally and civilly. If some thirty five year old
Speaker 4: New York banker had sex with a seventeen year old girl,
Speaker 4: knowing I have reason believe she was seventeen, we have
Speaker 4: laws to protect these girls, even if they're worldly, and
Speaker 4: even if they have drug problems, even if they're drunk.
Speaker 4: You can't do that, so I want to know who's responsible.
Speaker 4: And Hallie Jackson tonight on AMBC Nightland News had a
Speaker 4: perfect reason to say, all right, now, you're mature women.
Speaker 5: Now who did you have sex with against your will?
Speaker 5: Who did you?
Speaker 4: Were you drunk? Were you're drugs? Were you trafficked? Were
Speaker 4: you paid? Did what happened? I want to know the
Speaker 4: men who did this and then we can fully evaluate. Okay,
Speaker 4: this guy some of the names mentioned, or Bill Clinton,
Speaker 4: for example, or Bill Gates, I believe one more than
Speaker 4: the other. But nonetheless, why aren't there women identifying the
Speaker 4: men who rape them and they were sexually trafficked to
Speaker 4: Why is that the I want to know, because their
Speaker 4: faces are out there, their names are out there, the victims.
Speaker 4: Who are the men who committed the crimes? Who are they?
Speaker 4: NBC News says it is not Donald Trump, So what
Speaker 4: the hell are we talking about? Let's continue. Bill Cunningham
Speaker 4: calls continue. We got Matt in Saint Louis and Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Florida,
Speaker 4: all places in between. Bill cunning into Great American Live
Speaker 4: with You every Sunday, and of course on Friday, media
Speaker 4: attacks Caroline Levitt. She told reporters in the White House
Speaker 4: on Friday, the quote, these emails prove absolutely nothing other
Speaker 4: than the fact that President Trump did nothing wrong quote unquote.
Speaker 4: Then and then Rocanna on the news shows today said,
Speaker 4: among other things, this should be a political win for
Speaker 4: Donald Trump because the emails do not indicate he did
Speaker 4: anything wrong. That's according to NBC News in Rocanna. So
Speaker 4: he gets exasperated and angry about it because he thinks
Speaker 4: it's a hoax in the sense, not that the girls
Speaker 4: are all of them every time are lying.
Speaker 5: That's not what he believes.
Speaker 4: He thinks the media is using this, which is a
Speaker 4: big nothing burger politically in twenty twenty five, because he
Speaker 4: doesn't want to keep talking about Ukraine, or don't we
Speaker 4: talk about gods that, don't want to talk about the
Speaker 4: southern border, don't want to talk about what's happening in Charlotte,
Speaker 4: North Carolina with the arrest of eighty one vicious criminals,
Speaker 4: don't want to talk about prices, which, by the way,
Speaker 4: in the last month went up three percent three percent,
Speaker 4: which is pretty good with full employment of four point
Speaker 4: two percent, and according to Walmart, the turkey package for
Speaker 4: Thanksgiving is going to be about twenty percent less than
Speaker 4: it was last year, So you can't talk about that.
Speaker 4: What you want to talk about is sex, sex and
Speaker 4: more sex. And they keep bringing this up NBC News
Speaker 4: once again. Let me read it again that the president's
Speaker 4: name appeared frequently in the emails, the twenty thousand pages
Speaker 4: of emails and documents from the Epstein estate, but Epstein
Speaker 4: himself did not accuse Trump of any wrongdoing or legal
Speaker 4: activity in twenty thousand pages of emails in his own
Speaker 4: estate going back twenty five years. So we have the
Speaker 4: victims have not identified Donald Trump as a perpetrator.
Speaker 5: We have his lawyers.
Speaker 4: Donald Trump's lawyers said no, The lawyers for Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 4: said no. All the attorneys representing all these dozens of
Speaker 4: class action lawsuits against everyone, all of them have disclosed
Speaker 4: nothing about it.
Speaker 5: No nothing.
Speaker 4: So I'm waiting to have a burger there. This is
Speaker 4: a nothing burger. Do I have sympathy for those victimized
Speaker 4: by human trafficking? Absolutely? Do I generally believe women when
Speaker 4: that yes, I do. However, Donald Trump is what makes
Speaker 4: it a hook for national media coverage. And the name
Speaker 4: Donald Trump is in the emails, but that is not
Speaker 4: in culplatory. That exects culplatory, which means there's no evidence
Speaker 4: he did anything wrong. And my source for that are
Speaker 4: the victims themselves who don't identify Donald Trump as a perpetrator.
Speaker 4: And Jeffrey Epstein and Jelaine Maxwell, all of them have
Speaker 4: said Donald Trump did not commit any offensive behavior towards
Speaker 4: the girls.
Speaker 5: Can we stop the madness? Let's continue with your calls.
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Speaker 4: Let's continue in your calls all over the country about
Speaker 4: the Epstein matter. Then at the bottom of the hour,
Speaker 4: we'll deal with other matters. But twenty fifteen, after he
Speaker 4: came down the escalator, there was some reference that this
Speaker 4: is going back what ten years he'd come down the escalator.
Speaker 4: He did a brief interview with Bloomberg in twenty fifteen
Speaker 4: and which Donald Trump in twenty fifteen represented jeff You said,
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein, and he hooked with Jeffrey Epstein the name
Speaker 4: Bill Clinton because it was perceived in twenty fifteen he
Speaker 4: was going to run against Hillary Clinton in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 4: So who brought up Jeffrey Epstein's name ten years ago?
Speaker 4: It was Donald Trump when he said in this interview,
Speaker 4: and this is something that the Clinton should worry about.
Speaker 4: This is ten years ago with Bloomberg Founded on the web.
Speaker 5: Danny Gleason hit it.
Speaker 4: You raised the question of Jeffrey Epstein in your remarks
Speaker 4: event and Q and A.
Speaker 5: I think he's got a problem, don't think the problem.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 9: But that island was really a cesspool. There's no question
Speaker 9: about it. Just ask Prince Andrew. Well, he'll tell you
Speaker 9: about it. The island was an absolute cesspool. So and
Speaker 9: he's been there for many times. Well, I can't say, Frinch,
Speaker 9: but I know friendly you know them? Are you play
Speaker 9: at my clubs a lot? I have clubs, and everybody.
Speaker 4: Likes to a political problem for her if she runs
Speaker 4: for president.
Speaker 9: It could be a political problem. Look, he could be
Speaker 9: a political problem. Right now, he's teflon and right now
Speaker 9: maybe not, but he could end up being a political.
Speaker 4: Ten years ago, I followed the news as assiduously as
Speaker 4: anyone else that the name Jeffrey Epstein was not on
Speaker 4: my radar. Lolita Island Cesspool was not on my radar,
Speaker 4: and Donald Trump being Donald Trump mentioned the first time
Speaker 4: in the public domain Jeffrey Epstein ten years ago that
Speaker 4: Bill Clinton's involvement with Jeffrey Epstein at that island, Lalita
Speaker 4: Island Cesspool could be a problem. And so why would
Speaker 4: Donald Trump, ten years ago, if he had personal liabilities,
Speaker 4: bring up for the first time in the national public
Speaker 4: domain the idea of Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Clinton if
Speaker 4: he had some personal culpability. Once again, the President's name
Speaker 4: appeared frequently in the emails, according to NBC News Tonight,
Speaker 4: but Epstein did not in these files accused him have
Speaker 4: any wrongdoing or illegal activity. BINGO, Let's go back to
Speaker 4: your call. Thousands on hold, millions are listening. Let's go
Speaker 4: to Matt in Saint Louis, the home of the Cardinals
Speaker 4: who beat the Reds on a regular basis. Matt and
Speaker 4: Saint Louis, Welcome to the Bill Show. Matt, how are
Speaker 4: you good? Bill, How are you, sir, doing well? Go ahead,
Speaker 4: I'd just like to throw a couple of things out you.
Speaker 4: You're a very smart man. And I do know what
Speaker 4: TDS is. My sister had that very bad. You can't
Speaker 4: say anything positive about the administration without her warping the views.
Speaker 4: It's crazy, but you know, I do remember sitting there
Speaker 4: watching the TV. Pam Bondy had said that something along
Speaker 4: the lines of the client list was on her desk
Speaker 4: for a review. I remember the binders. There were people
Speaker 4: going up the White House driveway getting binders.
Speaker 10: I don't know. There wasn't much information in there, but
Speaker 10: she alluded to things coming out. Now it seems like
Speaker 10: nothing is going to come out. I don't understand why
Speaker 10: Maxwell is in a moved to a CHRISTI prison in Tech.
Speaker 10: I think we all agree she's the epitome of evil, right,
Speaker 10: I don't get why she gets that. And frankly, I
Speaker 10: don't get the latest attacks on MPG and Massey, And
Speaker 10: it seems the only reason Trump seems to be attacking
Speaker 10: them is because they're pushing for the release of the files.
Speaker 10: And I think the reason that we're all saying all
Speaker 10: these questions of what if, what if? The only reason
Speaker 10: we're talking about is because Trump has a release the
Speaker 10: Epstein files. If he just released him, it would have
Speaker 10: been a win. It would have been a win right away.
Speaker 10: I just wonder what is holding him back.
Speaker 4: Ken Answell Roe Conna has said it, and I see
Speaker 4: the turning of the screw a little bit here. It
Speaker 4: appears the mainstream media is about to understand that Trump
Speaker 4: was not one of the perpetrators of the teenage girls.
Speaker 4: They're slowly turning the other direction, but talk about their
Speaker 4: own making. Pam Bondi, Attorney General recently she was just
Speaker 4: sworn in, said the Epstein list is on her desk.
Speaker 4: She's going to release him. And they're all kind of
Speaker 4: binders walking out down the driveway to the White House
Speaker 4: from certain podcasters that she gave binders to that didn't
Speaker 4: amount to hill of beans. And so sometimes they're their
Speaker 4: own worst enemy. Donald Trump in twenty fifteen is talking
Speaker 4: about Jeffrey Epstein and Bill Clinton.
Speaker 5: Why.
Speaker 4: I have no idea, because he must have known something
Speaker 4: at that point. But I contend that the end of
Speaker 4: the day, what's important here, Matt, is that Donald Trump
Speaker 4: sexually abused, directly and directly involved at all in illegal
Speaker 4: illicit activities of Jeffrey Epstein between nineteen ninety five and
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, when Epstein killed himself. The answers appears to
Speaker 4: be no. Could there be a smoking gun out there somewhere.
Speaker 4: I guess it's possible, But the victims of this have
Speaker 4: not identified Donald Trump. Jeffrey Epstein said no. Virginia Duffrey
Speaker 4: says no. Alan Dershowitz, who was the attorney for Epstein,
Speaker 4: says no. All the lawyers on these got hundreds of
Speaker 4: millions of dollars in class action lawsuits. They all none
Speaker 4: of them identified Donald Trump? And so why if I'm
Speaker 4: Donald Trump, I don't pay much attention to advice from
Speaker 4: the Clinton eases, but get it all out assuming I'm
Speaker 4: not sure the files are going to come out, because
Speaker 4: if the House votes to do it, okay, then the
Speaker 4: Senate's got to vote to do it over sixty okay.
Speaker 4: Then the president's got to sign a law, and then
Speaker 4: it can be overridden in the Senate.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: If I'm the president, I'm as pure as I appear
Speaker 4: to be based upon all this other information, why not
Speaker 4: say it's going to hurt a few people. There's some
Speaker 4: names in there. They can't defend themselves anywhere. Like Bill Richardson,
Speaker 4: you an ambassador under Clinton is dead. Supposedly he's one
Speaker 4: of the guys. Bill Gates is still with us. Rumors
Speaker 4: are Melinda left him Bill Gates because of this.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but whatever it is, it is.
Speaker 4: Prince Andrews said, the photo, the famous photos is AI.
Speaker 4: It's a bunch of crap.
Speaker 5: I don't know. How about getting all the names?
Speaker 4: Do you find an odd, Matt that none of the
Speaker 4: victims have identified Donald Trump as a perpetrator?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he continues to act as if you're trying to
Speaker 5: hide something.
Speaker 10: Yes, yes I do, and I and I and I
Speaker 10: see what the news is doing. You know a separate
Speaker 10: example that it goes along with Epstein and everything. I
Speaker 10: see it every day on CNN. No they ever talk
Speaker 10: about the price of eggs and the price of gas
Speaker 10: before would bide And now if you ever bring up
Speaker 10: the fact that if I go to the grocery store,
Speaker 10: I can get two dozen eggs for four to fifty
Speaker 10: not story at the gas pump and it's two fifty
Speaker 10: five here And see Lewis I paid.
Speaker 4: Two I paid two thirty nine today in Cincinnati. So
Speaker 4: the overall inflation rate is three percent. Now, like this
Speaker 4: morning ABC News with George Slappnopolis Jonathan Carr put up
Speaker 4: like six items that were more expensive, and I've always
Speaker 4: working for Donald Trump, I would have been more more
Speaker 4: effective than Kevin Haslin. But nonetheless, there's six items.
Speaker 5: I can tell you.
Speaker 4: Overall is three percent, which is damn which is pretty
Speaker 4: damn good. But why doesn't Donald Trump say I.
Speaker 5: Didn't do it. I have proof I didn't do it.
Speaker 5: I know I didn't do it.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna do everything in my power to release everything
Speaker 4: that I got and let the chips fwhere they may
Speaker 4: with the bank. Do you think there's hundreds of billionaires, financiers, lawyers,
Speaker 4: and politicians who sexually abused girls under Jeffrey Epstein's watch.
Speaker 4: That's what the girls are saying, right Well, who are they? What?
Speaker 5: Who? What?
Speaker 10: What? We'd like to know? And you know, if Trump
Speaker 10: isn't on the list, and likely not given everything we've seen,
Speaker 10: but again, he's leaving the suspicion in the air for
Speaker 10: all of us to have the conjecture that we don't know.
Speaker 10: But having said that, you know, I don't think I
Speaker 10: would say I don't think he did, but a lot
Speaker 10: of the people who probably did, probably as finance, not
Speaker 10: just his campaign, but both sides, every politicians campaign. So
Speaker 10: you know, it's probably hot stove. He doesn't want to touch,
Speaker 10: and I get it, no politician would want to touch it.
Speaker 10: But then again, we all voted for Trump because he
Speaker 10: wasn't the average politician, That's right. I hope at the
Speaker 10: end of the day, if it does get through the
Speaker 10: House somehow, and it does somehow get the sixty votes,
Speaker 10: I can't imagine Trump wouldn't sign it. I think the
Speaker 10: backlash would be crazy, and I still would too. What
Speaker 10: are your thoughts on Maxville in Texas well?
Speaker 4: I think she's being given better treatment because uh, I
Speaker 4: don't know. I think number one, if Trump pardons her,
Speaker 4: that's a serious, serious blunder. I think she's a very
Speaker 4: bad person who did very bad things, and she goes
Speaker 4: to do I've been in federal prisons representing clients. There's
Speaker 4: no such thing as a posh country club prison, even
Speaker 4: the one in Nashville, North Carolina, which I've been to
Speaker 4: to visit some I had a friend of mine on
Speaker 4: tax evasion was convicted.
Speaker 5: It's not good, but it's not like locked down like Joliet. Uh.
Speaker 5: That looks bad. That looks bad for Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: UH to give her some favorite treatment when she's a
Speaker 4: human trafficker. But but if she's a human trafficker, I
Speaker 4: like to know where where are the traffic traffic ees?
Speaker 4: Who are the where are the men? And she is
Speaker 4: said in their statements to the AG's office that all
Speaker 4: the names available are out there, there's no other names.
Speaker 4: And what names are out there? I'm not aware of
Speaker 4: any men's names, are you? I look at Wikipedia. I
Speaker 4: see seven or eight names. I don't know if they're
Speaker 4: guilty or not. How about the victims of the crime
Speaker 4: identifying the perpetrator?
Speaker 5: Does that make sense to you?
Speaker 4: Instead of a news article, a magazine, a book, Hallie
Speaker 4: Jackson NBC, How about the victims identifying the perpetrators?
Speaker 5: Does that make sense to anybody?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 10: But I will say if Trump somehow, if the epsteam
Speaker 10: files aren't released, and on top of that, somehow Maxwell's pardoned,
Speaker 10: which I think if if somehow Trump would pardon Macnew,
Speaker 10: he would have to wait until the end of his
Speaker 10: presidency because if he didn't, I do think MAGA would
Speaker 10: turn I mean one of the worst things I thought
Speaker 10: Biden did, The one that sealed the absolute deal for
Speaker 10: me is when he pardoned the entire family. Why it
Speaker 10: was the whole deal. I know he's corrupt. Six when
Speaker 10: he when I found out twenty minutes after he got
Speaker 10: on that helicopter and he pardoned everybody, I was so furious.
Speaker 11: I was done.
Speaker 10: Now, if Trump pardons Maxwell in a similar fashion, I'd
Speaker 10: imagine he'd wait till the end. I don't think he can.
Speaker 10: But if somehow he does that and the ftem bills
Speaker 10: aren't released, it's going to cause the most razy suspicion.
Speaker 10: What we're talking about now is going to be ten
Speaker 10: times worst, you know, with the suspicion. So let's just
Speaker 10: I'm just hoping.
Speaker 5: I'm hoping. I'll see what happens.
Speaker 4: But there's so much good stuff happening in the country
Speaker 4: right now that's not being covered because of the media
Speaker 4: is using this Jeffery Epstein to attack indirectly Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: When these bombshells came out, these twenty thousand emails a
Speaker 4: few days ago, it was a lead story ABC, NBCCBS,
Speaker 4: pbsc MS. Now Ever, on the hour, every hour it
Speaker 4: came out more bombshells. The term was bombshell. It's a bombshell,
Speaker 4: and then I read the stories quote. The President's name
Speaker 4: appeared frequently in the twenty thousand emails, but Epstein did
Speaker 4: not in these files accuse him of any wrongdoing or
Speaker 4: legal activity in that what's important, but just to mention
Speaker 4: someone as a bombshell implicitly communicates the idea that Trump
Speaker 4: is involved. When the when the victims say no, and
Speaker 4: Epstein's lawyers say no, and Epstein said no, and Jelaane
Speaker 4: Maxwell says no, and all the lawyers of the class
Speaker 4: action lawsuits say no, and the Democratic politicians who do
Speaker 4: not go to the well of the floor and the
Speaker 4: House of the Senate, they have complete civil immunity of
Speaker 4: saying anything they want to say, and not one is
Speaker 4: gone there, and give me the names of the perpetrators.
Speaker 5: Why is that?
Speaker 4: Maxwell says in her statement, there's no other perpetrator.
Speaker 5: This is all made up. I'm thinking, I don't believe that. Either.
Speaker 4: I don't know if there's hundreds of billionaires and lawyers
Speaker 4: who have done this or there's.
Speaker 5: Only two or three. I don't know. I tend to
Speaker 5: think there's hundreds.
Speaker 4: But why can't the victims identify the perpetrators.
Speaker 5: Now there's a novel suggestion. I'm a victim.
Speaker 4: This is what this guy did to me, this is
Speaker 4: how he did it to me, this is where he
Speaker 4: did it to me. This is why he did it
Speaker 4: to me. I like to know that, right, But it's
Speaker 4: not happening. Twenty minutes after the air bill cunning in
Speaker 4: with you every summer. Now, let's continue with your calls.
Speaker 4: I feel frustrated, I feel angry. I feel is that
Speaker 4: I if justice is not being done to the victims
Speaker 4: and to Donald Trump and of these other guys whose
Speaker 4: names I look at Wikipedia.
Speaker 5: I'm not going to mention their names.
Speaker 4: Wikipedia is right about half the time putting names out
Speaker 4: there of allegations that are unproven.
Speaker 5: Why is it happening.
Speaker 4: It's happening to derail the policies of Donald Trump, to
Speaker 4: smear him indirectly. That's why it's being done. It's not
Speaker 4: being done to benefit the the victims at all. This
Speaker 4: is the most thoroughly investigated crime since the Kennedy assassination,
Speaker 4: by multiple agencies, multiple years, multiple decades, literally hundreds or
Speaker 4: thousands of investigators involved every aspect of his life class
Speaker 4: you know, class action lawyers do a fantastic job in
Speaker 4: seeking money for the redress of those who have been injured.
Speaker 4: And I look online at the number of lawsuits filed
Speaker 4: against almost everybody in New York City, banks and brokerage
Speaker 4: firms and credit unions. Also the estate of Jeffrey Epstein
Speaker 4: at hundreds of millions of dollars in it. Claims are
Speaker 4: being made against that. There's new lawsuits being filed monthly
Speaker 4: weekly involving the victims of Jeffrey Epstein's human trafficking and
Speaker 4: sexual activities. Perverts, drugs are being used, teenage girls being
Speaker 4: juiced up, et cetera. I read these allegations. I mean, Okay,
Speaker 4: who did it? We know Jeffrey Epstein did it. We
Speaker 4: know Ghlaine Maxwell did it. And she supposedly also jumped
Speaker 4: in had Lesbie in love with some of these teenage girls.
Speaker 4: In addition to other things. She was a recruiter and
Speaker 4: she I want to get your reaction to this one.
Speaker 4: Over the next thirty to forty minutes she has in
Speaker 4: her head. I guess the names of all these men,
Speaker 4: these guys right where are they are? Reading stories from
Speaker 4: Gallainne Maxwell. One of her depositions which she gave as
Speaker 4: part of one of the lawsuits, indicate that she can
Speaker 4: add no one else, no other men, no other perpetrators.
Speaker 5: All the names are out there and that's the end
Speaker 5: of it. Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4: Can that be true that Jeffrey Epstein almost by himself,
Speaker 4: sexually trafficked up to a young girls too? To who
Speaker 4: who is it? I need the names from every objective indicator.
Speaker 4: One name not mentioned and cannot be mentioned as Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: They're all saying he's not the one we know in
Speaker 4: New York City. After he did his time in Southeast Florida,
Speaker 4: he went back to his uh to his mansion in
Speaker 4: New York City, and George Sloppanopolis of ABC News went
Speaker 4: to Epstein's welcome home dinner at his mansion in Manhattan
Speaker 4: and some of the people there were the shakers and
Speaker 4: movers of media throughout New York City, including Katy Corek.
Speaker 4: What a decent human being associate with a known sexual
Speaker 4: trafficker of girls? What did George Slappinopolis know and when
Speaker 4: did he know it? Or Katy Corek, hell, I don't know?
Speaker 4: And uh Saane Maxwell had the ability of come clean
Speaker 4: with a whole bunch of names, get out of jail
Speaker 4: free card.
Speaker 5: She didn't do any of it. She accepted a twenty
Speaker 5: year sentence.
Speaker 4: When she was on trial, the prosecutors tried to get
Speaker 4: her to come clean, tell us what you know, you're
Speaker 4: gonna if you're convicted, you're gonna go to prison for
Speaker 4: like decades. And she's sixty three years old. Right she
Speaker 4: went to trial, she was fifty nine. Lay out what
Speaker 4: you know, and well, we'll trust, but verify you know anything.
Speaker 4: She says, I wouldn't believe it. You'd have to have
Speaker 4: two or three objective verifications and anything. I wouldn't accept
Speaker 4: what her name is. Terrible person. But she had the
Speaker 4: ability to trade out information in exchange for get out
Speaker 4: of jail free card, and she didn't. She says, I
Speaker 4: have nothing else to say. If I could give you
Speaker 4: more names, I would. She's given us hardly any names
Speaker 4: other than Prince Andrew. Did Prince Andrews sexually molest a
Speaker 4: thousand girls? I don't think, what the hell are we
Speaker 4: talking about. Let's get your calls and we have full lines.
Speaker 4: Get to him the line becomes available, which it never does.
Speaker 4: Eight sixty six six four seven seven three three seven.
Speaker 5: We'll see what comes with this.
Speaker 4: And Jeffrey Epstein was a well known financier and a Democrat.
Speaker 4: A Democrat. He was a Democrat. He wasn't a Donald
Speaker 4: Trump mega Republican. In fact, Donald Trump kicked him out
Speaker 4: of mar A Lago in like twenty oh six, twenty
Speaker 4: oh seven when this stuff started in Miami.
Speaker 5: Trump say he's a bad guy, he's out of here.
Speaker 5: But Donald Trump's the only one held responsible for all
Speaker 5: this crap.
Speaker 4: And according to NBC News, President's name appeared frequently in
Speaker 4: the emails, but Jeffrey Epstein did not in these files.
Speaker 4: Twenty thousand plus other exhibits accuse Donald Trump of any
Speaker 4: wrongdoing or a legal activity.
Speaker 5: So what in the hell are we talking about?
Speaker 12: Now?
Speaker 4: Your calls continued, Bill Cunning in the Great American with
Speaker 4: all give me your thoughts on this, Bill Cunning and
Speaker 4: the Great American with you every Sunday. No, well, u's
Speaker 4: continue with your calls and just refresh my truth social account.
Speaker 4: How about this one quote from Donald Trump himself tonight quote,
Speaker 4: House Republicans should vote to release the Epstein files because
Speaker 4: we have nothing to hide. He wrote that about an
Speaker 4: hour ago. I haven't refreshed truth Social since I got
Speaker 4: on the air, let me try that again.
Speaker 5: I just had a call from Saint Louis. Quote.
Speaker 4: House Republicans should vote to release the Epstein files because
Speaker 4: we have nothing to hide truth, Trump wrote on Truth
Speaker 4: Social Sunday night tonight. So why fight like ray not
Speaker 4: to release the files. Call Marjorie Trader Green, go after
Speaker 4: Thomas Massey. If you're going to say release the files,
Speaker 4: what the hell?
Speaker 11: What?
Speaker 10: So?
Speaker 4: If the House Oversight Committee releases all the files of
Speaker 4: Jeffrey Epstein, if the Estate of Jeffrey Epstein releases all
Speaker 4: the files and emails that they have, if the Department
Speaker 4: of Justice under Donald Trump and Pam Bondy release all
Speaker 4: the files, well that satisfy anybody. No, they're still grand
Speaker 4: jury testimony under oath in the Southern District of Florida
Speaker 4: that have not been released because it's grand jury testimony
Speaker 4: generally not released even though Epstein is dead. But the
Speaker 4: federal judge there said, no, we're not going to release it.
Speaker 4: It's not one of the exceptions. So will this satisfy
Speaker 4: the suffering from TDS Trump to arrangement syndrome. No, we're
Speaker 4: not satisfying because it'll be a bombshell that Trump's name
Speaker 4: is mentioned in an email, not that he's committed any offense,
Speaker 4: but that his name is mentioned in an email. That'll
Speaker 4: be it. Let's continue. Thousands on old millions are listening.
Speaker 4: Let's go to Gerald and Jacksonville, Florida. And uh, Gerald
Speaker 4: and Jacksonville, Florida. Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Gerald,
Speaker 4: how are you fine?
Speaker 13: Mister Turnham think you're thinking about Cole that as always
Speaker 13: holding tight you live big bugs bite just quick emphasis.
Speaker 13: I want to give my condoledness to the pre family
Speaker 13: first of all, utmost and all the other ones that
Speaker 13: had been victimized.
Speaker 10: It might have been young at their time and probably
Speaker 10: eradicated it. And what they're doing, the jimmies there just
Speaker 10: stored and dirty laundry. They got enough else better to do.
Speaker 10: So if President trub wants to settle it, you know
Speaker 10: are because he's the president of the United States. They
Speaker 10: waited so long to sign the bill for openly unfortunately,
Speaker 10: so this is like in your face as he wants to.
Speaker 10: He's the president and sure enough can step back a
Speaker 10: little squador a little bit, not as Republican buddies.
Speaker 4: So well, he said, he said, about forty minutes ago.
Speaker 4: He wants now the Republicans to vote to release. So
Speaker 4: what's going to happen now here we go? The House
Speaker 4: is going to vote on Tuesday or Wednesday. Okay, it's
Speaker 4: gonna be overwhelming. Release the release the files from DOJ
Speaker 4: whatever is in control of the executive branch of government.
Speaker 5: I release it.
Speaker 4: Then they're going to go to the Senate, and I hope.
Speaker 4: John Thune of South Dakota quickly says, okay, we're going
Speaker 4: to vote on that immediately, and then had the President
Speaker 4: sign it. And whatever it is it is, there'll be
Speaker 4: a bunch of names, maybe innocent parties in there, maybe
Speaker 4: guilty parties.
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately, the President said about an hour ago, release the files.
Speaker 4: It's a reversal. Get it done, whatever it is it is,
Speaker 4: and move on.
Speaker 13: Little caveat in the state of Florida, Bill, if I may,
Speaker 13: there's no steal limitations on pedophiles that might be of
Speaker 13: some people.
Speaker 4: It is, well, you know, I don't want to disagree
Speaker 4: with Megan Kelly, but a pedophile is the is the
Speaker 4: rape or sexual activity with a child under the age
Speaker 4: of eleven or twelve before puberty and so it's it's
Speaker 4: a child rapist different than a pedophile. To me, that's
Speaker 4: a distinction without much of a difference. But nonetheless, there
Speaker 4: should be no statue of limitations on a child.
Speaker 5: Uh you know what the age is in Florida, I
Speaker 5: don't know.
Speaker 4: I have a home there, but I don't know. Is
Speaker 4: a seventeen is a ten or twelve?
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 13: I'm thinking at eighteen under, eighteen eighteen and under.
Speaker 5: But I'm fine.
Speaker 13: I looked at it. I didn't see the specks, but
Speaker 13: it just said, you know, I read some words real quick.
Speaker 5: Fine with me.
Speaker 4: If some man had sex with a sixteen, seventeen, twelve
Speaker 4: year old, I think the older you get, it's all bad.
Speaker 4: If you have rape a woman who's twenty five, it's
Speaker 4: all bad. And so whatever it is, it is. And
Speaker 4: but according to everyone up to this point, Trump's name
Speaker 4: is gonna be all over the Epstein files, but none
Speaker 4: of it's going to accuse him of wrongful behavior. It'll
Speaker 4: be a bombshell, but it will exonerate Donald Trump, is
Speaker 4: what I what I believe is the case according to
Speaker 4: NBC News.
Speaker 13: And they're just going to flame all the victims. Just
Speaker 13: I think they would honorable Cavanaught. They took time be
Speaker 13: thrue Hill, and you know that's what they're doing now.
Speaker 13: They're scratch these these dead wounds have been very for years,
Speaker 13: and these people are going to be traumatized all over
Speaker 13: again because they want to make pity with the with
Speaker 13: the President of the United States.
Speaker 4: I don't know if you saw Hallie Jackson to not
Speaker 4: an NBC Nightly News, the lead story was like five
Speaker 4: or six of these women. They appeared now to be
Speaker 4: in their thirties, forties and fifties, and they had pictures
Speaker 4: of that where they were teenage girls. They're going to
Speaker 4: be in Congress on Tuesday, and they're gonna let the
Speaker 4: chips fall where they may, whatever it is it is.
Speaker 4: But I would like to know the names of the rapist.
Speaker 4: I want to know the names and the men who
Speaker 4: did this to these girls. I went to know their names.
Speaker 4: They should be held accountable, civilly and or criminally. Gerald,
Speaker 4: do you agree with me. I want to know who
Speaker 4: they are, who these guys are.
Speaker 5: I want to know.
Speaker 13: I'm totally one hundred percent plus. I mean, there's no
Speaker 13: sense to it, and they can have behind their money
Speaker 13: as long as they want but fuster earlier just.
Speaker 2: To prevail hope.
Speaker 5: Whatever it is, let freedom ring.
Speaker 4: But the President said about an hour or so ago,
Speaker 4: telling Republicans to vote yes, release the files.
Speaker 5: There we go.
Speaker 4: Let's go to padd and Columbus, the home of the Buckeyes.
Speaker 4: Padd and Columbus. Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. Pat,
Speaker 4: how are you well?
Speaker 14: I want to point out a problem that you have
Speaker 14: with your logic, because you are applying a twenty twenty
Speaker 14: five attitude towards something that happened thirty years ago.
Speaker 2: And I can.
Speaker 15: Promise you a willing fifteen year old thirty years ago
Speaker 15: was considered a lucky thing for a guy to find.
Speaker 15: He was not concerned about whether she was eighteen. And
Speaker 15: I'm talking thirty years ago, so it.
Speaker 16: You know you're using the word victim like you think
Speaker 16: these poor girls were so victimized. I can promise you
Speaker 16: as a victim myself, if I had been offered the
Speaker 16: opportunity to give a massage to a naked man, I
Speaker 16: certainly would have known that the sex was going to
Speaker 16: be involved. And this gal had to be dumber than.
Speaker 10: A box of rocks.
Speaker 16: And these girls all knew what they were doing, and
Speaker 16: the reason they haven't named any.
Speaker 7: Of their supposed rapists because.
Speaker 16: They were never raped, they were willingly having sex.
Speaker 4: The nineties, I did criminal defense work representing generally men
Speaker 4: charged with sexual offenses against women. It was some point
Speaker 4: in the nineteen nineties and when from fifteen years old
Speaker 4: to sixteen years old, but in the mid nineteen nineties
Speaker 4: in the state of Ohio. Of course this happened in
Speaker 4: New York or Florida or on some island in the Caribbean,
Speaker 4: but it was illegal in the nineteen nineties for a
Speaker 4: man over the four years age different, So if you
Speaker 4: were twenty one, you cannot have legally have sex with
Speaker 4: a sixteen year old in the state of Ohio. Now
Speaker 4: it doesn't apply to Florida and New York. We'll see
Speaker 4: what that is. Let's continue go to Dale and Iowa,
Speaker 4: the home of the Hawkeyes and the Cyclones. Dale and Iowa.
Speaker 4: Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. And Dale, how are you.
Speaker 2: I'm doing fine.
Speaker 11: I hope when I retire from my law just all
Speaker 11: kick back and MIA's relaxed and calm as using to be.
Speaker 4: I let listeners have their say, even though I may disagree.
Speaker 4: Graves ipseil loquitor. The thing speaks for itself. It is
Speaker 4: illegal for a man, at least in Ohio maybe Iowa
Speaker 4: with more than a four year age difference for an
Speaker 4: underage girl has been that way for a long time.
Speaker 11: You met, I think you're the Joe Friday of media
Speaker 11: these days, getting the facts out there. The question about
Speaker 11: Donald Trump not getting the information out I hope that
Speaker 11: lady who was waiting to be sworn in realizes wasn't
Speaker 11: that important that she get in there? To get in
Speaker 11: on this boat. He's tried, the courts of stocked in.
Speaker 11: Congress hasn't been there. The media hasn't put anything out there.
Speaker 11: Nobody's going to believe any of them. I wonder where's
Speaker 11: Gloria Allred, who's supposed to represent something in these folks.
Speaker 4: Well, why doesn't Gloria all Red make public the names
Speaker 4: of the perpetrators? She can give them the Roe Conna.
Speaker 4: He's got complete constitutional immunity on the floor of the
Speaker 4: House of Representatives to say anything he wants to say.
Speaker 5: Why.
Speaker 4: I'll ask you this, Dale, why aren't the names out
Speaker 4: there identified by the victims. If I'm a victim of
Speaker 4: a sexual assault, I'm going to want to identify the
Speaker 4: person that did it to me right.
Speaker 11: Well, it's a complete mystery, and I thought a lot
Speaker 11: of this had been in the courts where that information
Speaker 11: was out there, and I did want to say. The
Speaker 11: reason I initially called was why is Maxwell moved to
Speaker 11: where she is? I think it's proof to keep her
Speaker 11: alive rather than have what happened to Epstein.
Speaker 5: Well, that's possible. I don't know.
Speaker 4: Being in federal prison, whether it's one of the lower
Speaker 4: security or whatever, is bad. I wouldn't want to spend
Speaker 4: the next fifteen years in a women's prison until I'm
Speaker 4: like eighty years old, which is what she's facing. And
Speaker 4: if you've practiced Lowdale, if you're sixty years old and
Speaker 4: you're on trial for your life, and you get a
Speaker 4: deal put in front of you, you give us a
Speaker 4: full factual statement of all the men who raped these girls,
Speaker 4: and we will verify what you're saying is accurate. We
Speaker 4: will cut your sentence in half for by one third
Speaker 4: or two thirds. Most people would do it, correct.
Speaker 11: I would guess they would.
Speaker 2: But let she didn't do this.
Speaker 5: She didn't.
Speaker 10: Would you believe that person is going to do that?
Speaker 5: Trust?
Speaker 4: But I'd have to verify it. You know, you have
Speaker 4: to verify it. And I wouldn't trust the damn thing
Speaker 4: Juliane Maxwell.
Speaker 11: Whatever.
Speaker 4: If she told me the sun rose in the East,
Speaker 4: I'd have to get up and some break to make
Speaker 4: sure it does. But she's allfered the deal, and she
Speaker 4: didn't take the deal because she says, I can't give
Speaker 4: any names because there aren't anymore. You know, a couple
Speaker 4: of them and that's it.
Speaker 5: And I don't believe her. I don't believe her.
Speaker 11: I would ask her and the other ladies to identify
Speaker 11: the tattoos on these people.
Speaker 4: And there's ways of identifying. You say you had guessed
Speaker 4: sex with Bill Richardson, who's the ambassador from New Mexico.
Speaker 4: He's now dead. Well, uh, where did it happen? How
Speaker 4: did it happen? Give me distinguishing traits of his body,
Speaker 4: who was present when it occur? There's ways of you know,
Speaker 4: the East rape investigators know exactly what they're doing. And
Speaker 4: I'm not saying every case, but if I'm a victim
Speaker 4: of a crime, I want to identify the perpetrator and
Speaker 4: these girls to know them.
Speaker 5: Let's continue.
Speaker 4: Go to I said Gale, And let's go to Mike
Speaker 4: and Wisconsin. It's been there for a couple hours. Mike
Speaker 4: and Wisconsin. Welcome to the Bill Cunningham Show. Mike, how are
Speaker 4: you hey?
Speaker 17: Billy from Wisconsin, And like you said to one of
Speaker 17: the previous callers, who our Brewers often beat the Reds
Speaker 17: as well, So no.
Speaker 4: Question, no question. But the Reds in Milwaukee two of
Speaker 4: the last three games. They beat Milwaukee twice up there
Speaker 4: to get into the plays.
Speaker 2: I was in both games, Billy, Hey.
Speaker 17: Three bullet points for you to comment on as an attorney.
Speaker 17: Number One, under the first Trump administration, both Epstein and
Speaker 17: Maxwell were indicted. Now, any president who wanted to hide
Speaker 17: something would not tell his doj to start an indictment
Speaker 17: because it leads to discovery and you wouldn't want something
Speaker 17: that you were trying to hide to be discovered. Number Two,
Speaker 17: if you're right and there were one thousand girls involved
Speaker 17: in this, and I pity them, we have to really
Speaker 17: empathize with you. There's always the chance that one or
Speaker 17: two of them could, you know, be a blasy for
Speaker 17: it and make up some story about the president, and
Speaker 17: that may be what these TDS people are hoping for.
Speaker 17: And then third bullet point, Billy. You know, I've testified
Speaker 17: before at grand jury. I've given testimony under seal that
Speaker 17: the judge promised me would never be revealed. And I'm
Speaker 17: afraid that if Congress forces the Court's hand to unseal
Speaker 17: documents these girls, these now women have a right to privacy.
Speaker 17: If they don't want their names to be revealed, it
Speaker 17: shouldn't be revealed. And and I'm afraid that future witnesses
Speaker 17: like me may not be as free to give testimony
Speaker 17: if they're not confident that their testimony will never be unsealed.
Speaker 17: I'd like your opinion on those.
Speaker 4: I would think the bulk of these women, most of
Speaker 4: them have been identified because they've gone on CNN, RAMUSNBC, ABC, NBC.
Speaker 4: They're out there with their face and their name, and
Speaker 4: they're saying these things happen to them without specificity of
Speaker 4: the perpetrator. Now, if it's grand jury testimony, you have
Speaker 4: an expectation of privacy. What you say before grand jury
Speaker 4: is kept there except during a trial. The grand jury
Speaker 4: transcript that we be released to impeach a witness, but
Speaker 4: that doesn't apply in this case. But I don't know
Speaker 4: if it's a thousand girls, one said tonight there was
Speaker 4: a thousand girls, well who are they and what do
Speaker 4: they alleged happen? And I'm sure a great majority of
Speaker 4: them don't want their name published. They don't want to
Speaker 4: go through it again. But those who put their names
Speaker 4: out there, and our national media tours and our plaintiffs
Speaker 4: and class action lawsuits have waived their right to privacy
Speaker 4: because of their voluntary behavior, those are the ones that
Speaker 4: should be asked. Tonight by Hallie Jackson, NBC Nightly News,
Speaker 4: give me the names of the men who raped you?
Speaker 5: And that was not asked.
Speaker 4: And maybe there's an agreement with the NBC who's not
Speaker 4: the ask him that question, which I guess I would get.
Speaker 4: But if your name is out there already, you waived
Speaker 4: your rights under privacy laws, and you want to put
Speaker 4: what happened out there is reality, somebody should ask them
Speaker 4: who raped you? And most victims of a rape want
Speaker 4: to identify the perpetrator, either publicly or privately. And so
Speaker 4: let's get the names out there. Now that Trump has
Speaker 4: set house, Republicans should support the release of the Epstein
Speaker 4: FILESY put that out there about an hour and a
Speaker 4: half ago. Let's see what happens this is going to
Speaker 4: dominate the news all the way through this week.
Speaker 2: Do you agree, absolutely, Billie.
Speaker 17: It will dominate the news and it is a distraction
Speaker 17: from the achievements of the Trump administration.
Speaker 4: The media bingo right there because NBC News has said
Speaker 4: tonight that none of the files released so far implicate
Speaker 4: Donald Trump in anything improper or illegal. That's from NBC News.
Speaker 4: Let's continue coming up later after midnight. Jeff cru will
Speaker 4: be here from New Orleans and Losso later on. As
Speaker 4: Katie Talento about obamacaarn Wyatt failed. This is driving me nuts.
Speaker 4: Got to get on another topic until next Sunday Night.
Speaker 4: Bill Cunningham with you Every Sunday Night by Billy Cunningham.
Speaker 4: President said tonight, we have nothing to hide. This is
Speaker 4: a democratic hoax. Quote House Republicans should vote to release
Speaker 4: the Epstein files because we have nothing to hide. It's
Speaker 4: time to move on from this democratic hoax perpetrated by
Speaker 4: radical left lunatics in order to deflect from the great
Speaker 4: success of the Republican Party, including our recent victory over
Speaker 4: the Democratic shutdown. So we'll see what happens this week.
Speaker 4: I would think this will be a topic gay throughout
Speaker 4: most of the week. And also next Sunday night, we'll
Speaker 4: see what happens and the Trump reversal comes. As expectations
Speaker 4: of a mass GOP defection, the House grew out of
Speaker 4: a vote this week, and there was a sense that
Speaker 4: when Senator John Kennedy Louisiana stepped forward this morning and
Speaker 4: said he's going to vote to release it, there was
Speaker 4: no support not to do it. So all I can
Speaker 4: say is is of this point, According to NBC News,
Speaker 4: none of the Epstein files at this point implicate the
Speaker 4: president whatsoever. And if Jeffrey Epstein would implicate implicate the president,
Speaker 4: which he didn't do, I wouldn't believe it anyway. If
Speaker 4: Julane Maxwell implicates the president, I wouldn't believe her anyway.
Speaker 5: Would you so a trust but verify?
Speaker 4: But it's all going to be out there, we think soon,
Speaker 4: and it will not play kate those suffering from Trump
Speaker 4: to derangement syndrome simply and make them angry. If if
Speaker 4: the artful dodger gets at the road runner gets away again,
Speaker 4: it's going to make angry the media because everything about
Speaker 4: Trump is a bombshell, even the bombshell that Trump, according
Speaker 4: to the Epstein files, is innocent that's still a bombshell.
Speaker 4: Let's continue with more coming up. I'm going to put
Speaker 4: a call in Jeffrey crue Air. He's got a great
Speaker 4: column at town hall dot com about about tariffs and
Speaker 4: so much more. Also later on, I want to get
Speaker 4: on a different topic until we learn more about this
Speaker 4: later in the week. Put a call in to Katie Talento.
Speaker 4: Katie Talento, she was part of the Trump organization in
Speaker 4: the in the White House and his first term fashioning
Speaker 4: opposition to Obamacare, which has failed. Let's continue, Bill cunning
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Speaker 4: Of course, every now and then I check in the
Speaker 4: New Orleans, the Crescent City. But Jeff crue Air has
Speaker 4: headquartered New Orleans, and he's an author radio talk show
Speaker 4: host and his great columns at townhall dot com and elsewhere.
Speaker 4: One of the columns is the genius of Trump's tariffs
Speaker 4: and Jeff crue Air. Welcome again to the Bill Cunningham Show,
Speaker 4: and I'll report to you what happened in Cincinnati the
Speaker 4: election last week or so a few days ago. I
Speaker 4: want to hear about New Orleans. But we have a
Speaker 4: mayor that's failed miserably. We have riots happening all over
Speaker 4: the city when we have snow. You know much about
Speaker 4: the New Orleans. The plows don't work, there's no pickup
Speaker 4: ice and snow.
Speaker 5: The assault's not going on the streets. It's terrible.
Speaker 4: We have numerous council members in the past that have
Speaker 4: been indicted and sent to federal prison. We have a
Speaker 4: police chief that's been fired now for dubious reasons. He's
Speaker 4: also fired the chief of the fire department and the
Speaker 4: assistant chief.
Speaker 5: With complete chaos.
Speaker 4: So instead of the mayor f to a peer of
Speaker 4: all getting eighty two percent of the vote, which he
Speaker 4: got four years ago with all these scandals going on,
Speaker 4: he got seventy eight percent of the vote. So the
Speaker 4: voter has held him accountable from eighty two to seventy
Speaker 4: eight percent and the half brother of jad Advance didn't
Speaker 4: get a sniff.
Speaker 5: What happened in New Orleans.
Speaker 12: Well, our mayor's term limited LaToya the Destroyer, so she
Speaker 12: cannot run again. She is going to be facing charges.
Speaker 12: You know, she's indicted, so we'll see. It was all
Speaker 12: because of a boyfriend, bodyguard that you know, has caused
Speaker 12: her all kinds of trouble. And she tried to appeal
Speaker 12: to the judge to allow her to be with the
Speaker 12: bodyguard and because he's under indictment too, and they said no,
Speaker 12: they could only be together in supervised setting. What so,
Speaker 12: so I got.
Speaker 5: The mayor and the boys.
Speaker 4: I guess these are adults, right, they're like fifty year olds.
Speaker 4: They got to be supervised.
Speaker 12: Yeah, they got to be supervised. And I think it's
Speaker 12: probably a good thing for them to be supervised because
Speaker 12: he does what their could do. But yeah, so she
Speaker 12: is going to be dealing with that. She's left the city.
Speaker 12: In match, we got one hundred and sixty million dollar deficit.
Speaker 12: They budgeted fifty seven thousand for overtime that actually wound
Speaker 12: up costing about sixty million dollars in overtime because we
Speaker 12: had a we had a terrorist attack, We had the
Speaker 12: Super Bowl, we had the Sugar Bowl, we had Martie Gras,
Speaker 12: and they budgeted fifty seven thousand for police overtime, and
Speaker 12: they were about sixty million dollars off on that, and
Speaker 12: then all the other shenanigans involving there. There are ridiculous
Speaker 12: budgeting and they're ridiculous spending. So now tomorrow Bill the
Speaker 12: big day. They're meeting with state officials to see if
Speaker 12: they can get bailed out by the State of Louisiana.
Speaker 12: Will the state require a fiscal administrator, which is someone
Speaker 12: to babysit them and make sure the money is spent
Speaker 12: in the right way, So basically the state would be
Speaker 12: running the city. The city's balking at that. They want
Speaker 12: to do some kind of compromise where they have an
Speaker 12: oversight but not an administrator. Will the state give the money.
Speaker 12: We'll find out tomorrow. So bottom line is New Orleans
Speaker 12: has got a prison it is run by the federal
Speaker 12: government under a federal consent decree. We've got a police
Speaker 12: apartment that's run by the federal government under a federal
Speaker 12: consent decree. And we could have a city hall pretty
Speaker 12: much run by the State of Louisiana. So really, the
Speaker 12: city of New Orleans at some point man will be
Speaker 12: really running nothing.
Speaker 4: Well, the city of Cincinnati can't figure it out because
Speaker 4: are the voters. I imagine the voters New Orleans can't
Speaker 4: figure it out. And Landry, I guess the governor Louisiana
Speaker 4: is all angry about LSU. Maybe the guy who negotiated
Speaker 4: the contract for Brian Kelly could get Maybe that guy
Speaker 4: could get involved in running the city New Orleans. They
Speaker 4: appeared to be equally competent.
Speaker 12: Right, the same guy that hired jimbo Fisher, and I
Speaker 12: guess they had to pay him seventy three million. Scott
Speaker 12: Woodward wound up hiring Brian Kelly, and they got to
Speaker 12: know paying fifty four million. They're at illegal to speed
Speaker 12: right now as to whether he was fired for calls
Speaker 12: or not, whether they're going to owe him the full
Speaker 12: fifty four million. So that's going to be going on
Speaker 12: for a while.
Speaker 11: We don't have it.
Speaker 12: We have an interim coach, we just got a new
Speaker 12: LSU president. Looks like the governor wants to run and everything,
Speaker 12: so I don't know.
Speaker 2: We got opportunities everywhere.
Speaker 4: So New Orleans they budgeted fifty seven thousand dollars for overtime.
Speaker 4: LaToya the destroyer with a little bit off. Instead of
Speaker 4: fifty seven thousand, it was sixty million. They're upside down,
Speaker 4: hundreds of millions of dollars. She's indicted for lying, and
Speaker 4: she's having sex with the boyfriend who's also the bodyguard,
Speaker 4: and now they have a chaperone. One of those two
Speaker 4: get together to do what keep your hands out of
Speaker 4: her pants?
Speaker 5: What the hell's going on? And now you can't make
Speaker 5: this up? And so I guess Louisiana's got to bail
Speaker 5: out New Orleans. It's amazing to me.
Speaker 4: Cincinnati has run like New Orleans, but when you face
Speaker 4: the voters, where's the accountability?
Speaker 11: Right?
Speaker 12: Well, here in New Orleans, we just had elections, so
Speaker 12: LaToya that destroyed couldn't run again. But the councilwoman at large,
Speaker 12: Helena Moreno, who's really been overseeing this whole thing as
Speaker 12: council president, she just got elected mayor.
Speaker 13: So she said she's.
Speaker 12: Going to bring in changes, But she's been there the
Speaker 12: whole time sort of watching everything and doing nothing. So
Speaker 12: how are they going to bring in changes? When they
Speaker 12: hired someone from the city council to be the new mayor?
Speaker 12: And they just re elected the other councilmen at large,
Speaker 12: and they put some new politicians into some other council positions.
Speaker 12: So they've brought in nobody knew, nobody reform oriented. No
Speaker 12: Republicans have a prayer. The Republican got like two percent
Speaker 12: of the vote and the mayor's race and eight percent
Speaker 12: of the vote in the city council race.
Speaker 4: Jadie Vance's half brother here got like twenty one percent,
Speaker 4: and he thought that was good. At least you don't
Speaker 4: have a communist running New Orleans like Mamdani them. At
Speaker 4: least you don't have communists.
Speaker 12: You have incompetence, right, we just have a just a
Speaker 12: traditional garden variety super left progressive democrat, not a communist.
Speaker 12: He's a former broadcaster. See they come from television. People
Speaker 12: trust him on TV and then they run for political office.
Speaker 4: Before we talk about the teriffs, your column is great
Speaker 4: of a couple few days ago.
Speaker 5: I want to get your take to it.
Speaker 4: The Democrats and the Republicans in Washington and the Senate,
Speaker 4: the Democrats have voted seventeen times to shut down the government.
Speaker 4: They Republicans have voted seventeen times to keep it open.
Speaker 4: And now it's back open, ready to go. And now
Speaker 4: the Democrats are saying Trump shut down the government, when
Speaker 4: Trump is the one opening the government and the Democrats
Speaker 4: are the ones shutting down the government. Now we're being
Speaker 4: told by the media that Trump shut down the government
Speaker 4: and the Democrats had nothing to do with it. Uh,
Speaker 4: my head is swimming. For those who aren't paying attention,
Speaker 4: describe what's happening in Washington.
Speaker 2: I think he described it well.
Speaker 12: I mean, the Democrats are cracking up because eight Democrats
Speaker 12: decided to buck Chuck Schumer and go along with the
Speaker 12: Republicans to open up the government. The far left is
Speaker 12: furious it does eight Senate Democrats, the House Democrats are furious,
Speaker 12: the activists are furious. But the government will reopen. I
Speaker 12: think the House is going to be coming back, and
Speaker 12: you know, they'll finally get around to you are reopening.
Speaker 2: The government, and they're gonna they're.
Speaker 12: Promising a vote on Obamacare subsidies. And remember when they
Speaker 12: sold us Obamacare, they said it was going to be affordable. Yeah,
Speaker 12: it didn't turn out to be affordable bill, So that
Speaker 12: was another lie that they sold us. So here we are. Yeah,
Speaker 12: we're getting back to the government. So that's for the holidays.
Speaker 12: We're not going to have a government shutdown and people
Speaker 12: can get back to their snap benefits and you know
Speaker 12: the air traffic controllers and all the other stuff that
Speaker 12: the government does.
Speaker 4: It's almost like New Orleans is running Washington, d C.
Speaker 4: I'm and now, according to one IPSOS poll, seventy percent
Speaker 4: of the American people believe you don't get the truth
Speaker 4: from the mainstream media. Seventy percent say the media has
Speaker 4: a political ideology rather than factual facts being reported. I
Speaker 4: see that constantly, and I'm thinking that's surprising. The other
Speaker 4: thirty percent, what have you been thinking? And I played
Speaker 4: before the cuts of Barack Hussein Obama saying about Obamacare
Speaker 4: will reduce waste, fraud, and abuse number one. Two, it
Speaker 4: will take four trillion dollars off the deficit. Number three,
Speaker 4: it'll slow the growth of premiums. In fact, you're going
Speaker 4: to save twenty five one hundred dollars off premiums the
Speaker 4: first five or six years.
Speaker 5: And none of these things happened.
Speaker 4: Automatic triggers in the cuts to the federal budget in
Speaker 4: order to make up the shortfall. There's no relationship between
Speaker 4: Obamacare promises and Obamacare reality and because it is way
Speaker 4: upside down. The Democrats say, we have to fund more.
Speaker 4: We got to send more money to a failed system
Speaker 4: to prop it up when we know it failed. Only
Speaker 4: in the Democratic Party can you fund a failure and
Speaker 4: have many people shake their head saying, yeah, we have
Speaker 4: to fund more failure.
Speaker 5: Can you smell what I'm cooking?
Speaker 12: Oh, you're exactly right. And remember they didn't even know
Speaker 12: what they were voting on, because Nancy Pelosi said, we
Speaker 12: have to vote on it first before we understand what's
Speaker 12: in it. So I mean they didn't even know what
Speaker 12: they were voting on. I interviewed on my program Bill
Speaker 12: the one man in Congress, his name is Joseph gal
Speaker 12: from New Orleans, who was a Republican elected from New Orleans.
Speaker 12: He was a post Katrina miracle. We only served one term,
Speaker 12: but he was a very diligent guy.
Speaker 11: He read the.
Speaker 12: Twenty seven hundred and eighteen pages of the Obamacare bill,
Speaker 12: the only member of Congress that knew it backwards and forwards,
Speaker 12: and nobody else really knew what they were voting on.
Speaker 12: Of course, they passed it, and then we got the
Speaker 12: nonsense that we've had. Republicans have had chances to get
Speaker 12: rid of it ever since they John McCain failed us.
Speaker 12: Remember he went to the well of the Senate.
Speaker 2: And put his thumb down and that was it.
Speaker 5: And now we're stuck because it's failed. We have to
Speaker 5: fund it.
Speaker 12: We have to fund it. And it is a disaster.
Speaker 12: It is everything but what they promised, which was affordable.
Speaker 12: And now they're ranning and raving about everything that they've
Speaker 12: forced upon us. And you know, Republicans really should have
Speaker 12: come up with alternatives and gotten rid of this thing
Speaker 12: a long time ago and had, you know, a much
Speaker 12: better program than this, because this is just a disaster
Speaker 12: and it's just going to continue to be a disaster.
Speaker 12: We're just putting a band aid on gaping wounds here
Speaker 12: with Obamacare. Government can't do anything right. They're going to
Speaker 12: find that out in New York City when they run
Speaker 12: the grocery stores Dale. It's not going to be pretty.
Speaker 4: January thirtieth is coming. And I watched this morning in
Speaker 4: one of the talk shows that King Jeffreys talked about
Speaker 4: we're going to replay the same thing January thirtieth. They
Speaker 4: only hit the government open until January thirtieth, and he said,
Speaker 4: at that point, we're going to do it again. So
Speaker 4: the Democrats are going to fire, layoff air traffic controllers,
Speaker 4: the military not say out it's not benefits again in
Speaker 4: the dead winner of January, because after all, it seems
Speaker 4: to be working for them, and which is you know,
Speaker 4: something fails, let's fund it. Let's talk about your column
Speaker 4: on tariffs. Only have a couple of minutes remaining. You
Speaker 4: make the point that tariff revenue for the US dramatically
Speaker 4: rose to two hundred and fifteen billion dollars compared to
Speaker 4: seventy seven billion the previous year. In fact, tariffs are working.
Speaker 4: It did not cause massive inflation, it didn't cause layoffs.
Speaker 4: The media is rooting for failure. It didn't happen.
Speaker 12: Why well, because all these economists are biased, and all
Speaker 12: of them said that it was going to be a disaster,
Speaker 12: and it's not because you know, they were trying to
Speaker 12: scare the American people. And it turns out that this
Speaker 12: has helped us forward peace deals, brought in a lot
Speaker 12: more revenue. It was going to eventually, of course help
Speaker 12: American manufacturing, American jobs. Again, that's the whole reason the
Speaker 12: President wanted to do this, because we were taken advantage
Speaker 12: of by all these countries all over the world. We
Speaker 12: didn't have access to their markets. They had access to
Speaker 12: our markets. Our goods were being charged tremendous tariffs. We
Speaker 12: were letting these goods in here with very minimal tariffs.
Speaker 12: So yeah, we've gone from like seventy seven billion to
Speaker 12: over twodred and fifteen billion. Next year Scott Bessant is
Speaker 12: projecting it'll be five hundred billion.
Speaker 11: And then the.
Speaker 12: President says, all right, let's get some tax rebates, some
Speaker 12: tariff f rebates to the American people two thousand dollars,
Speaker 12: and you know, let's pay down the national debt, which is,
Speaker 12: by the way, bill increasing every two months by a trillion.
Speaker 12: So we're now at thirty eight point one trillion dollar
Speaker 12: national debt. We have an idea to help pay it down.
Speaker 5: I'm all in favor of it.
Speaker 4: You also talk about the inflation rate, which is three
Speaker 4: point zero two percent to the nine percent inflation of
Speaker 4: the Disasters administration. And I had on Victor Davis Hanson
Speaker 4: a few weeks ago. Unemployment is down to four percent.
Speaker 4: We're getting tariff income to walk down the deficit. We
Speaker 4: have inflation at three percent instead of nine percent. We
Speaker 4: have the Southern border is shut down. We have military
Speaker 4: enlistments or way up. People want to join the military,
Speaker 4: they want to join ICE, they want to enforce the
Speaker 4: law right. In fact, all the objective measurements of what
Speaker 4: is everything that should be up is up. Everything that
Speaker 4: should be down is down. However, the media reports lies
Speaker 4: and fabrications because the truth is dangerous to the Democrats.
Speaker 4: And so if you watch the media, you think these
Speaker 4: are the worst at times. Economically they're the best at times.
Speaker 4: But people like my producer Tony Bender, doesn't see it,
Speaker 4: doesn't feel it, because he's told all this garbage, you know,
Speaker 4: garbage in, garbage out.
Speaker 5: The garbage is put in.
Speaker 4: The in the mainstream of news, and so you cough
Speaker 4: back out what you think to be the reality. I
Speaker 4: paid two I paid two dollars and fifty cents for
Speaker 4: a gallon of gas yesterday, two dollars and fifty cents.
Speaker 4: That goes into inflation. So how do we overcome the
Speaker 4: mediaized to tell the truth? What is the real status
Speaker 4: of the American economy? Jeff crue Air, what is it?
Speaker 12: I think he hit the nail on the head. It's
Speaker 12: really good. I mean, we pay to forty eight man
Speaker 12: here I just got a gas this morning. I mean,
Speaker 12: the prices are great, and that's a tax cut for
Speaker 12: the American people when the price of gas is so low.
Speaker 12: And yeah, we're drilling again, so that's another thing that's
Speaker 12: good for the economy. You know, we've unleashed American energy
Speaker 12: once again. You know, the border is secure, so we
Speaker 12: don't have millions of illegals coming here. We're trying to
Speaker 12: deport the krims, which of course the left doesn't want
Speaker 12: us to do, so they want to protect the criminals
Speaker 12: that are here. So all those measures you're right on target.
Speaker 12: I mean, we've got the trade deficit down. You know,
Speaker 12: we're we're doing the right thing as far as uh,
Speaker 12: you know, inflation. Interest rates are finally starting to come down.
Speaker 12: The one problem has been this guy's er own poll hasn't.
Speaker 13: Reduced interest rates like you should.
Speaker 12: So the interest rate level now is still double what
Speaker 12: it was, more than double what it was when Donald Trump.
Speaker 13: Left office the first time.
Speaker 12: So that's what's I think causing the problem with young
Speaker 12: kids being able to buy homes. I mean can't get
Speaker 12: a mortgage. I mean it costs too much. So that's
Speaker 12: why the President's talking about fifty year mortgages and you know,
Speaker 12: pounding on the FED to reduce the you know, the
Speaker 12: interest rates.
Speaker 13: So there's some.
Speaker 12: Things that we need to work on. But compared to
Speaker 12: where Biden left it, I mean, we've made incredible and
Speaker 12: by the way we've solved, I mean, the President's brought
Speaker 12: peace to all these different places around the world. We've
Speaker 12: got peace steals that have happened. So I mean, it
Speaker 12: is immeasurably better than it was in January of this year, and.
Speaker 13: It's just been less than a year.
Speaker 12: So it's outstanding. He should have an eighty percent approval rating.
Speaker 12: I look the other day, Bill, it's incredible. It's only
Speaker 12: forty five percent, and it's it's terrible to think that
Speaker 12: he's not getting the credit that he deserves for what
Speaker 12: he's done.
Speaker 4: Chunk and the American people get all their information from
Speaker 4: the mainstream media, garbage in, garbage out.
Speaker 5: Are you ready for the big question?
Speaker 11: I'm ready.
Speaker 5: We have a communist in New.
Speaker 4: York City, LaToya the destroyers, I guess going to federal
Speaker 4: persons sometime soon. She has a chaperone, when she has
Speaker 4: her bodyguard. Now almost Cincinnati just elected a corrupt, ugly
Speaker 4: mayor with seventy eight percent of the vote instead of
Speaker 4: eighty two percent Brandon Johnson and Chicago is talking about
Speaker 4: having Chicago police have an armed insurrection against ice. We
Speaker 4: have Karen Bass complete incompetent in Los Angeles. San Francisco
Speaker 4: looks like Bangladesh. Thank Godnancy Pelosi. We got to get
Speaker 4: Nancy Pelosi to run the Department of the Treasury. She
Speaker 4: knows more about stocks and Warren Buffett. For God's sakes,
Speaker 4: can we survive if almost every major American city is
Speaker 4: in collapse?
Speaker 12: Well, I mean that's the situation and it has been
Speaker 12: for a while. And what I think is going to
Speaker 12: have to happen is that the people in these cities
Speaker 12: that keep voting in these dangerous idiots are just going
Speaker 12: to have to eventually get with the program and say, hey,
Speaker 12: you know, we can't keep electing these people and expect
Speaker 12: different results. And eventually, I guess the pain is going
Speaker 12: to be so much that they're going to start looking
Speaker 12: at alternatives and not voting these Democrats over and over.
Speaker 12: But thankfully people have started fleeing those areas. Yes, so
Speaker 12: they're going you know, the realtor of the Year is
Speaker 12: Zorn Modonmi in Florida. They just named him twenty twenty
Speaker 12: six Realtor of the Year. Damn Florida.
Speaker 4: I'm he's doing a lot for the pricing in Florida. Well,
Speaker 4: we got Jeff Career. I could spend a all day
Speaker 4: with you. But the good luck wi LaToya the Destroyer,
Speaker 4: We got Apte pure of all you have Latoria destroyers.
Speaker 4: Chicago's got Brandon Johnson, Kim Bass, Mom, Donnie, Jeff Crueer,
Speaker 4: thanks for coming on.
Speaker 5: You're a great American.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Thank you, Bill, Bill.
Speaker 4: Cunningham, the great American. Live with you every Sunday night,
Speaker 4: Billy cunning Him, the great American. Jeff crue Aer makes
Speaker 4: a whole bunch of sense to me about tariffs, et cetera.
Speaker 4: And I know next Sunday night we're gonna have to
Speaker 4: deal again with Jeffrey Epstein because of what the Trump
Speaker 4: shud did about an hour and a half ago, telling
Speaker 4: the Republicans to support the release of Epstein files. Something
Speaker 4: he opposed, something he went after Thomas Massey for voting
Speaker 4: yes and Marjorie Taylor Green for voting yes. Now Trump's
Speaker 4: done a three sixty or one eighty, and now is
Speaker 4: telling Republicans please vote to release the files, which means
Speaker 4: in the Senate, John Thunell have that up in the
Speaker 4: next week or two, release the files. And the Trump's
Speaker 4: just going to sign a law releasing the files. Will
Speaker 4: that play hate those who have Trump derangement syndrome?
Speaker 5: I don't think so.
Speaker 4: They'll come on with something else plus continue with Morris,
Speaker 4: I said, coming up next as Katie Talento, she worked
Speaker 4: in the first Trumpet administration. On the evils of Obamacare
Speaker 4: and more. Bill Cunningham with you every Sunday, Bill Cunningham,
Speaker 4: the Great American. Of course, the healthcare crisis in America
Speaker 4: has caused the shutdown of the government now open and
Speaker 4: watching one of the morning talk shows, Keem Jeffers is
Speaker 4: saying they have another bite at the apple in about
Speaker 4: ten weeks. January thirtieth is not that far away, and
Speaker 4: he says there might be another government shutdown happening, which
Speaker 4: is utterly ridiculous. Putting money into a failed system, a
Speaker 4: failed government program, doubling down on stupid is often what
Speaker 4: Democrats and what many in Washington do. Some are fighting
Speaker 4: against it. Katie Talento is the executive director of Alliance
Speaker 4: of Healthcare sharing. And first of all, Katie Talento, tell
Speaker 4: us you give me generally in the American people the
Speaker 4: status of health care in America today. Volumes have been
Speaker 4: written on that topic. But about out on ninety three
Speaker 4: percent of us get either our health insurance from Medicare,
Speaker 4: Medicaid from private plans through employers or veterans or whatever.
Speaker 4: It might be about seven percent through the Obamacare exchanges,
Speaker 4: which have failed miserably. So since you're in the industry,
Speaker 4: what is happening to us healthcare system in America in
Speaker 4: general and the response to it by.
Speaker 18: Government, Well, it's not a good situation, Bill, Thanks for
Speaker 18: having me. Yeah, I think the affordability crisis is hitting everybody,
Speaker 18: and so you know, premiums are up double digits this
Speaker 18: year for everyone. Even federal employee has got a twelve
Speaker 18: percent rate hike, so you know, they get no love
Speaker 18: for having been put out of work for you know,
Speaker 18: twenty seven weeks, but they have to now pay more
Speaker 18: for their insurance too, so at least they're suffering with
Speaker 18: the rest of us. I do think that this is
Speaker 18: going to become a campaign issue unfortunately, and Republics are
Speaker 18: usually in trouble when healthcare becomes a campaign issue. You know,
Speaker 18: I was a veteran of the White House when we
Speaker 18: were doing repeal and replaced back in the day, and
Speaker 18: I can tell you it's going to take longer than
Speaker 18: you know, five weeks for us to negotiate some sort
Speaker 18: of master plan here. So I think that if the
Speaker 18: Democrats want to have another shutdown, they will do that
Speaker 18: at their political peril. But you know, that may not
Speaker 18: be the best thing for the American people at this point.
Speaker 5: What happened.
Speaker 4: I've done many topics the last few days weeks on
Speaker 4: the failure of Obamacare, in which is government subsidizing and
Speaker 4: billions of dollars that might be forty to fifty billion
Speaker 4: a year.
Speaker 5: Maybe you have the number.
Speaker 4: That Washington sends directly to insurance companies under a promise
Speaker 4: to hold down premiums and to the to the seven
Speaker 4: twenty three million people on Obamacare. Why did Obamacare fail?
Speaker 18: So the promise to hold down premiums has not really
Speaker 18: been tested. Obviously, the premiums have skyrocketed. They've more than
Speaker 18: tripled since.
Speaker 19: Twenty when the bill was first enacted.
Speaker 18: However, affordability is sort of addressed by Obamacare because they
Speaker 18: just subsidize your overpriced premiums. And so the vast majority
Speaker 18: of people who are buying their plans on the Obamacare
Speaker 18: exchanges are getting premium subsidies, so their premiums are either
Speaker 18: free or they are largely subsidized. And that is truly
Speaker 18: the only way that you can keep anyone who is
Speaker 18: younger or healthier, or who is not sort of already sick,
Speaker 18: from fleeing this market where it's so unaffordable that they
Speaker 18: don't see the value of it. But they need to
Speaker 18: have all these younger healthy people in the insurance pool,
Speaker 18: or the insurers do, or else it'll go into what
Speaker 18: we call in the insurance business the death spiral, where
Speaker 18: it's just sicker and older and sicker and older people
Speaker 18: every year, and then the premiums go up, and then
Speaker 18: a few are younger healthy people leave because they can't
Speaker 18: afford it anymore, and then it's older and sicker, and
Speaker 18: so this get you get into the spiral, and that's
Speaker 18: that's the.
Speaker 19: Death of an insurance product. So they have to force
Speaker 19: people to stay in the pool, and that's why it's failing.
Speaker 18: It was never a good value for young healthy people
Speaker 18: when you're requiring these policies to cover everything from abortion
Speaker 18: and trans surgeries to maternity writers for men, and you know,
Speaker 18: preventive cap smears for men. You know, like this, this
Speaker 18: is too much. It's too much insurance coverage for what
Speaker 18: most people need, and it's not enough insurance coverage for
Speaker 18: the people who do need it because the deductibles.
Speaker 19: Are so high they can't even afford to use their
Speaker 19: plan when they when they do need it. So it's
Speaker 19: an absolute failure.
Speaker 18: I do think that there are promising alternatives out there,
Speaker 18: like health care sharing ministries, like health savings accounts, like
Speaker 18: direct primary Care, which is sort of a Netflix subscription
Speaker 18: for unlimited primary care, and people are fleeing to these
Speaker 18: better alternatives that feel more human and feel more rational.
Speaker 19: Meeting their needs.
Speaker 4: Funding of failure is what Washington does, which is why
Speaker 4: Democrats want Obamacare to be funded. I spoke to twenty
Speaker 4: eight year old who called in a couple a week
Speaker 4: or two ago, and this guy says, look, I was
Speaker 4: in Obamacare for like two years. I got out because
Speaker 4: I never I never used it, I never went to
Speaker 4: the er, I never I had a primary care physician,
Speaker 4: but I didn't feel a need to go. It was
Speaker 4: costing me seven hundred dollars a month, and I'm thinking,
Speaker 4: why am.
Speaker 5: I doing it?
Speaker 4: I got rid of it. Plus, he said to me, Look,
Speaker 4: isn't it true? He called me Uncle Bill. Isn't it true,
Speaker 4: Uncle Bill, that if I have something bad happens to me,
Speaker 4: I can go to the er anyway and get care
Speaker 4: at the er, and if I can't pay for it,
Speaker 4: I can't pay for it. So why have insurance if
Speaker 4: I get the product anyway for nothing? How do you
Speaker 4: respond to him?
Speaker 19: He's exactly right, He's making completely rational choices.
Speaker 18: You can go to the er and they are required
Speaker 18: to treat you regardless of your coverage. Now, you might
Speaker 18: end up with a really horrific build being said to you,
Speaker 18: you might end up in collections over it, but at
Speaker 18: least you will be treated in that moment if you're
Speaker 18: having a life threatening issue. I totally sympathize with your
Speaker 18: caller because he's the exact reason why Obama Care.
Speaker 19: Is failing young healthy people.
Speaker 18: They just see no value in this product, so why
Speaker 18: would they stay? And so you're left with only healthy, unhealthy,
Speaker 18: expensive people, driving up premiums so that it happens even
Speaker 18: worse next year that's why this whole project has failed,
Speaker 18: and that's why we've got to seek alternatives.
Speaker 19: I was so encouraged by President.
Speaker 18: Trump tweeting, or rather truthing out in the past couple
Speaker 18: of weeks about let's just stop putting money in insurers pocket.
Speaker 19: And let's actually put it in health saving.
Speaker 18: Accounts for people so they can go buy what they want.
Speaker 4: Great idea, but a King Jeffries and the Democrats don't
Speaker 4: want any part of that because it puts the person
Speaker 4: in charge, not big time health insurers who pay them
Speaker 4: huge amounts of money and campaign. I think the average
Speaker 4: America done understand that about how much money every year
Speaker 4: goes from the US Treasury to big time health insurers
Speaker 4: in order to knock down the premiums of individuals who
Speaker 4: may not use the product at all. How much money
Speaker 4: is the taxpayer funding healthcare insurance companies?
Speaker 5: How much money we're talking about about.
Speaker 19: It's about a trillion dollars. I promised with it with
Speaker 19: a trillion.
Speaker 18: With a team of John Tufton's researchers a few years ago,
Speaker 18: we estimated that almost half forty seven percent. But the
Speaker 18: entire United States budget goes towards some form of health care.
Speaker 4: Well, if you're United Healthcare, are you in the business
Speaker 4: having taken all this money from the government under Obamacare.
Speaker 4: Are you in the business and making sure that you're insured,
Speaker 4: have great healthcare at low cost, or are you in
Speaker 4: the business of making money?
Speaker 19: Well, that's exactly right. You know, these giant.
Speaker 18: Companies we call them the Bukah's Blue Cross United Signa
Speaker 18: at ninety man a Buka and these these giant companies,
Speaker 18: nobody had ever heard of some of them, you know,
Speaker 18: years ago, and now they're on the Fortune fifty list.
Speaker 18: Their stockholders are loving it, living it up, and their
Speaker 18: CEOs are living off.
Speaker 19: They're billionaires.
Speaker 18: And you know, meanwhile, United Healthcare is denying a third
Speaker 18: of every claim that comes to them. And most people
Speaker 18: think of their insurer like.
Speaker 19: The cable company. They hate them.
Speaker 18: And so this is a product that nobody really wants
Speaker 18: to pay for because they don't.
Speaker 19: See the value in it.
Speaker 18: And when they really need it, when they really need it,
Speaker 18: it's an absolute bureaucratic night there to.
Speaker 4: Use, aren't the insurance companies because they're a for profit
Speaker 4: business in the business of denying claims and having high deductibilities.
Speaker 4: And that's true because I listened to a keem Jeffries.
Speaker 4: If Republicans don't agree to this want you want people
Speaker 4: to be sick and die in hospitals, You don't want
Speaker 4: people to get medical care. In reality, the Democrats get
Speaker 4: millions of dollars in campaign donations from insurance companies, and
Speaker 4: aren't they in the business of making money.
Speaker 5: And not in the business of providing healthcare?
Speaker 18: Well, the secret of the dirty little secret of healthcare
Speaker 18: is that the insurer are interested in high prices from hospitals,
Speaker 18: and hospitals are interested in lots of sick people. So
Speaker 18: when you get paid when people are sick and high
Speaker 18: price stuff is done to them, you're going to get
Speaker 18: more sickness and higher price stuff.
Speaker 19: And that's what we're seeing over and over again.
Speaker 4: You also say in this column you believe that the
Speaker 4: recent US government shutdown that ended after forty three days
Speaker 4: result of from protecting lucrative political donations from big healthcare
Speaker 4: insurance and the media never asked a King Jeffries or
Speaker 4: Democrats the question, how come we're funding the BUKA, the
Speaker 4: large Blue Cross, Blue Shield and United Healthcare and signa
Speaker 4: we're funding them and they're in the business of screwing
Speaker 4: the policy holders.
Speaker 5: Why isn't that brought up by the media.
Speaker 18: Well, you know, to be fair to these politicians. And
Speaker 18: let me tell you, the healthcare swamp funds all parties
Speaker 18: and every single one of them. You know, the farm
Speaker 18: industry alone has four or five lobbyists for every.
Speaker 19: Member of Congress. So nobody is innocent here in DC.
Speaker 18: But I will tell you that, you know these people,
Speaker 18: they are in the business of making money and profiting
Speaker 18: off of our sickness.
Speaker 19: But the American people are.
Speaker 18: Also absolutely committed to having insurance at any cost.
Speaker 19: I mean, we have seen that.
Speaker 18: It's unfortunately, if you try to take i mean the
Speaker 18: battle scars from the repeal and replaced effort in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 18: if you try to take a single dollar away from
Speaker 18: insurance subsidies for even a small percentage of of the
Speaker 18: American people, you will lose the next election. So I
Speaker 18: think the Republicans take this issue on at their peril.
Speaker 18: The Democrats take this issue on at their peril. It's
Speaker 18: very perils and it's going to make everybody a little
Speaker 18: bit scared.
Speaker 19: So it'll be very interesting to see what happens over the.
Speaker 10: Next few weeks.
Speaker 4: You seem to say almost Katie Talento of the Alliance
Speaker 4: for a Health Care Sharing it's almost a soluble problem
Speaker 4: that Democrats are incentivized to keep the issue front and center.
Speaker 4: By the way, Obamacare little or nothing to do with
Speaker 4: the shutdown, because the shutdown was shutting down the whole government.
Speaker 4: So the Democrats said, look, we're not going to pay
Speaker 4: the soldiers, We're going to make TSC agents sleep in
Speaker 4: their cars, We're going to shut down Snap, We're going
Speaker 4: to shut down the entire government on this unrelated issue
Speaker 4: of giving money to insurance companies out of the public treasury.
Speaker 4: And I think the American people bought it because politically,
Speaker 4: most of the polls now indicate this weekend that Republicans
Speaker 4: are blamed for the shutdown and not Democrats. So when
Speaker 4: Republicans voted to open the government and Democrats voted to
Speaker 4: close the government, the American people believe that the Republicans
Speaker 4: closed the government and the Democrats wanted to open the government,
Speaker 4: when in reality, the Republicans wanted to open the government
Speaker 4: and the Democrats wanted to close the government. You know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. Democratically, the Democratic Party won.
Speaker 14: No.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're in.
Speaker 18: A civil war right now over. You know, they're eight
Speaker 18: traders who actually.
Speaker 19: Opened the governments.
Speaker 18: But those eight traders, the Democrats who voted with the
Speaker 18: Republicans to reopen.
Speaker 19: The government government, they're the ones in.
Speaker 18: The swing states, so they kind of know that this
Speaker 18: is not actually a good plan to just shut down
Speaker 18: not do their jobs for months on end. So I
Speaker 18: think Democrats that actually are in any kind of political peril,
Speaker 18: we're thanking these eight behind the back, behind the scenes
Speaker 18: all right now.
Speaker 4: And lastly, for those of us who receive healthcare from
Speaker 4: our employer, I work for a large company, and it
Speaker 4: takes a degree in Chinese calculus to figure out all
Speaker 4: the plans and the deductibilities, and do you want this rider?
Speaker 4: Do you want that rider? Do you want prescriptive care?
Speaker 4: Do you want not wanted? Do you want maternity care?
Speaker 4: I don't need that very much. Do I need transgender care?
Speaker 4: Which I don't think, God hope I never need that.
Speaker 4: And so I leave with my wife to decide what
Speaker 4: do we do. And according to polling, the majority of
Speaker 4: employee or employee based plans are popular with employees, which
Speaker 4: is about one hundred and fifty some million people. But
Speaker 4: still the cost keeps going up. If you're on Medicare
Speaker 4: Medicaid generally you pay little or nothing. Anyway, you don't
Speaker 4: have a dog in the fight. So can you tell
Speaker 4: me get out your crystal ball, Katie Talento? How does
Speaker 4: this issue resolve itself without a complete collapse of our
Speaker 4: medical system?
Speaker 5: How do we resolve it?
Speaker 19: Well, I don't know that we're going to resolve that. Again,
Speaker 19: I'm very nervous.
Speaker 18: I'm very nervous that we're going to end up with
Speaker 18: single payer at some point because it is not a
Speaker 18: sustainable trajectory. And you're exactly right that those who are
Speaker 18: bearing the largest cost of this are wage earners at
Speaker 18: big employers who are actually paying for most healthcare in
Speaker 18: this country. You're right half those country is insured on
Speaker 18: a job. And those companies, you know, they have some
Speaker 18: other core mission that's not running a health plan, but
Speaker 18: they're now in the health insurance business and that business
Speaker 18: is absolutely spiraling. And so it's a huge crisis for
Speaker 18: every company. And so if we don't get this under control,
Speaker 18: I fear very much it will be the business community
Speaker 18: that pressures Congress to have a come flee government takeover
Speaker 18: of healthcare.
Speaker 4: Lastly, explain single payer. I have a pretty good grasp
Speaker 4: of what it is that everyone under medicare. Explain to
Speaker 4: the average Americans what is single payer, how would it work,
Speaker 4: and why is it a bad idea?
Speaker 18: Yeah, so, single payer is what every other country in
Speaker 18: the world, literally every other country in the world, has
Speaker 18: decided to do about healthcare, where the government actually pays
Speaker 18: for healthcare, and they do it in different ways.
Speaker 19: In some countries like Israel.
Speaker 18: And Germany, they basically do it like an Obamacare on steroids,
Speaker 18: where it's all filter through insurance companies which are just
Speaker 18: agents of the state. But at least you pick an
Speaker 18: insurance plan like Medicare Advantage for instance. But other countries
Speaker 18: like the UK or like Canada, you know, they just.
Speaker 19: Have the government.
Speaker 18: You just walk into the government clinic and the government
Speaker 18: hospital and there are no insurance companies. And the reason
Speaker 18: why this is a problem, and I mean again like
Speaker 18: there are trade offs, right for some services like primary care,
Speaker 18: it's a much better experience and it's more sane in
Speaker 18: these countries where you have easy and free and unlimited
Speaker 18: access to primary care and preventive care. But what happens
Speaker 18: in these situations is when it comes times that you
Speaker 18: need specialty care, there is rationing and long lines, and
Speaker 18: you don't get the best technology, and you don't get
Speaker 18: the timely treatment, and cancer patients are waiting, and people
Speaker 18: with you know who need knee replacements are waiting for years.
Speaker 18: There are people who die on the wait list for
Speaker 18: their knee replacement. So it's just it's not a good situation,
Speaker 18: and America has chosen a different path. I hope that
Speaker 18: we figure a way out of this. There are some
Speaker 18: innovative and creative ideas out there, like health care sharing ministries,
Speaker 18: like health savings accounts for everyone. I think that might
Speaker 18: help as we As you know, President Trump actually implemented
Speaker 18: when I was there, price Transparency initiative, forcing hospitals and
Speaker 18: insures to post their secret prices publicly in an effort
Speaker 18: to try to create a health care market. What we
Speaker 18: have right now is either free nor market in healthcare.
Speaker 18: So to the extent so we can force an actual
Speaker 18: christ competition in health care, we might just be able
Speaker 18: to pull this thing off, but it's going to take
Speaker 18: a miracle from God.
Speaker 5: It will.
Speaker 4: Katie Talento, executive director of Alliance of health Care Sharing.
Speaker 5: You've laid it out and I fear.
Speaker 4: This issue is too easy to demagogue, which means sure
Speaker 4: I had it chored within ten years of Medicare for
Speaker 4: All system in which you will ration healthcare, and it's
Speaker 4: gonna be similar to Canada. And most of my Canadian
Speaker 4: friends get their medical services of any exceptional quality or
Speaker 4: quantity from the United States. They don't stick in Canada
Speaker 4: because to get a knee replacement or they have cancer
Speaker 4: treatment is taking months. You'll die on the list before
Speaker 4: it's replaced. And if someone needs a knee replacement in America,
Speaker 4: you get it a week from Tuesday. Katie Talento, you're
Speaker 4: a great American. Laid out the problems once again. Thank
Speaker 4: you for coming on the Bill Cunningham Show. And Katie,
Speaker 4: you're a great American. Thank you very much.
Speaker 19: Thank you, Bill, you too.
Speaker 5: God bless you. Let's continue with more. There you go.
Speaker 4: Bill Cunningham, the Great American, live with you every Sunday night. Hi,
Speaker 4: Billy Cunningham, the Great American. Thanks for listening tonight. It's
Speaker 4: been adventurous. About a forty five minutes or an hour ago,
Speaker 4: the President on Truth Social said, House Republicans on Tuesday,
Speaker 4: release the files, the Epstein files.
Speaker 5: That's what.
Speaker 4: That's what the Trumpster said about an hour and a
Speaker 4: half ago. So everything has happened up to this point.
Speaker 4: Going after Taylor Green or Trader Green, as the Trumpster says,
Speaker 4: or Thomas Massey of Northern Kentucky and all the others
Speaker 4: who opposed it, put that to decide, no harm, no foul,
Speaker 4: don't worry about it. So I would assume now sometime
Speaker 4: shortly after Tuesday or Wednesday, Senator John Thune's going to
Speaker 4: put some resolution on the floor of the Senate which
Speaker 4: is going to pass. Overwhelmingly. I said overwhelmingly it's going
Speaker 4: to pass. And that means that we're going to have
Speaker 4: the Epstein files, everything within the control of the executive branch,
Speaker 4: ago government or the estate.
Speaker 5: The only remaining.
Speaker 4: Of course, would be the would be the grand jury
Speaker 4: testimony that the federal judiciary controls and not Donald Trump.
Speaker 4: Let's get it out, whatever it is it is. And
Speaker 4: if some men, or I guess some the victims should
Speaker 4: be able to say, don't put my name out there.
Speaker 4: Many the victims are saying, put my name out there.
Speaker 4: And the victims of these sexual assaults should have that
Speaker 4: decision on their own, made by them or by their lawyers.
Speaker 4: What an eventful night, Thanks for listening. Bill Cunningham, the
Speaker 4: great American with you and all great Americans every Sunday night.