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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk a bit now about Pitt Athletics because

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Speaker 1: TCU won yesterday with Jamie Dixon coaching. A month or

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Speaker 1: so ago, I wrote a column about these six big

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Speaker 1: mistakes that the Steelers have made since twenty nineteen that

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Speaker 1: still affect the franchise in negative fashion to this day.

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Speaker 2: So let's make a.

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Speaker 1: List for Pitts, because Pitt's mistakes are many, and they

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Speaker 1: are greats. Number one, tore down Pitt Stadium and replaced

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Speaker 1: it with a basketball courts. Football drives the bush in

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Speaker 1: nitwits off campus football.

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Speaker 2: It don't work, and the.

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Speaker 1: Basketball program couldn't sustain its momentum that was produced by

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Speaker 1: the new facility, and now it's as dead as a

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Speaker 1: door nail. Number two in that vein, they fired Jamie Dixon.

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Speaker 1: Look at what pisketball pit basketball has done since Dixon left,

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Speaker 1: and look at what TCAU has done since and got there.

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Speaker 1: Pitt makes a lot of mistakes because Pitt Athletics simply

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Speaker 1: don't understand its ceiling. Number three spend all that money

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Speaker 1: on victory heights, and that decision made Pitt a small

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Speaker 1: sports school. Spend that money on football, on nil, not

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Speaker 1: on women's volleyball because nobody freaking cares about women's volleyball. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're proud these girls, they're great, blah blah blah. Choking

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Speaker 1: the semis Oop shouldn't have said that. Nobody cares about

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Speaker 1: Pitt women's volleyball beyond a couple of weeks a year,

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Speaker 1: and they spend hundreds of millions on that facility. Number four,

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Speaker 1: even though Penn State is more responsible, Pitt played a

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Speaker 1: role in not playing Penn State and football beyond the

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Speaker 1: occasional renewal. Pitt could have gone a two for one deal,

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Speaker 1: probably in perpetuity. Penn State gets two home games, Pitt

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Speaker 1: gets one. Pitt didn't want to be bullied though, and

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Speaker 1: I get it, but it would have been better than

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Speaker 1: to not play Penn State at all.

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Speaker 2: Number five, leaving the Big East.

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Speaker 1: It was unavoidable for football because there ain't no Big East,

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Speaker 1: no more for football. But Big East basketball and Pitt

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Speaker 1: fit hand in glove. Pitt and ACC basketball just don't

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Speaker 1: go together. There ain't no there. There there ain't no

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Speaker 1: rivalries there, and that's the big mistakes. I was gonna say,

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Speaker 1: keeping nardoozy, but at Pitt and in the ACC, Pitt

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Speaker 1: football probably couldn't get much of an upgraded coach. Nardoozy's

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Speaker 1: just an ass. I don't like him, but I don't

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Speaker 1: know who you go out and gets what's talking out

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Speaker 1: of Tommy Panther, our resident Pitt guy. Tom Did I

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Speaker 1: get it right? Did I leave out any big mistakes?

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Speaker 1: Or do you disagree with any I said?

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Speaker 3: I hate to, you know, bring some radio to the table.

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Speaker 3: But it's pretty flawless lists that you just presented right there?

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Speaker 1: Is you need to disagree more? I'm sorry, but it

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Speaker 1: just stuttering. I think like I'm having a stroke.

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Speaker 2: Not right now.

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Speaker 3: No, you can't be. Although if you're going to you

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Speaker 3: please should do it on the air. That'd be great.

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Speaker 2: Radio, it would be it would be I agree, But.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's flawlessss it really Also.

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Speaker 1: I don't die right away because you have to tease

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Speaker 3: The death of pitt Stadium, I think has to be

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Speaker 3: the headline of it. And as someone who grew up

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Speaker 3: at Pitts Stadium in my life. It's just I see

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Speaker 3: pictures of it and what the atmosphere was like, and

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Speaker 3: I just imagine what it could be still to this day,

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Speaker 3: and it was absolutely the start of all of the

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Speaker 3: other things that you just said. All the other bad

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Speaker 3: decisions kind of stem from that.

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Speaker 2: You new said that right then and there.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was going to say I wouldn't maybe put

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Speaker 3: that on the list, but firing him was a huge

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Speaker 3: mistake by the football program as well, even though they I.

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Speaker 1: Don't think I agree. I don't think quite in the

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Speaker 1: the top five. Yes, But like Wantie said, when they

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Speaker 1: tore down Pitch Stadium for the basketball court, he goes,

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Speaker 1: they don't get it. Football drives the bus act for sure.

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Speaker 1: For Pitt football just don't work. The students don't get there.

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Speaker 1: There's no buzz on campus. It's just not college football

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Speaker 1: like Penn State, Ohio State, places like that, college football towns,

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Speaker 1: and it had that to some degree with Pitt Stadium.

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Speaker 3: Well in Hinsfield slash Acrochor Stadium. It's just always been

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Speaker 3: too big for Pitt's bridges. I mean, you can't fill

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Speaker 3: tarp some of it off. Just it like which is

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Speaker 3: just that nobody cares. It looks low rent. I mean,

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Speaker 3: then you can actually fill out the stadium. But it's

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Speaker 1: Brow it makes final West Virginia. I'd much rather play

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Speaker 1: football at West Virginia. That's a college football town. It's

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Speaker 1: a college football stadium. They got so much that Pitt doesn't.

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Speaker 3: I'll never say that. You'll never get me on the

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Speaker 1: See that's what I mean. You got to disagree that's good.

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Speaker 1: Can pit basketball be resurrected.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure it.

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Speaker 3: Can to the heights that it was at under Jamie Dixon.

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Speaker 3: There's no chance any heights that was It could be

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Speaker 3: to the point where you're getting in as like a

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Speaker 3: ten seed to the tournament, and more often than not,

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Speaker 3: you make it not to the level that Dixon was.

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Speaker 1: Like every well, now NIL has buried teams like Pitt.

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Speaker 1: They can never catch up with money, so they can

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Speaker 1: never catch up. Now they can get into the tournament

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Speaker 1: years back, but you know, that makes them a mid major.

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Speaker 3: But basketball doesn't take that much money to climb up

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Speaker 3: pour a lot into your program to get with the

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Speaker 3: big boys. Basketball, you just went like a three million,

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Speaker 3: you're only buying five or six, like you know, serious contributors.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you're right in terms, you only

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Speaker 1: I'm not even sure Pitt can do that.

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Speaker 3: Probably not well at the current state of where they're

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Speaker 3: tied up financially with their Victory Heights, they're just stuck.

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Speaker 1: Victory Heights and that money. That's that's probably the most

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Speaker 1: egregious era they made. Spend that on football. The small

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Speaker 1: sports they don't need that facility, They don't deserve that facility.

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Speaker 3: And they tried their hardest to try to. You know,

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying you could put a football stadium there,

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Speaker 3: it's not big enough for that, but why not put

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Speaker 1: Heather like, was that was her brain? Do you figure

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Speaker 2: Think that's unfair to suspect.

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Speaker 3: No because they're the headliner, the volleyball team. And then

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Speaker 3: she was able to also say it's a small sports school. Now,

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Speaker 3: I think they put the soccer team in there too, right,

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Speaker 1: Men's soccer has been ranked and done very well, so

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Speaker 3: Those are just, you know, little nice nuggets to your

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Speaker 3: And it's just not the case with Pitt.

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Speaker 1: Do you agree that Pitt athletics don't understand it's ceiling

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Speaker 1: what Pitt did in basketball under Jamie Dixon, that's the ceiling,

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Speaker 1: and Pitt wanted more and as a result, ever since

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Speaker 3: It's so frustrating, and I guess because Dixon gave them more.

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Speaker 3: Like he was a one seed two out of three years,

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Speaker 3: when they went to the ACC he didn't die completely,

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Speaker 1: As that was a knock when they were one seed

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Speaker 3: The one year they went to the elite eight, that's fine,

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Speaker 3: got upset by Scottie Reynolds terrible game. But the second time, yeah,

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Speaker 3: losing the butler in the second round. You can't do that.

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Speaker 3: But they were at that height and I don't know

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Speaker 3: if Pitch just got spellbound by it. So then when

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Speaker 3: it's just all crap.

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Speaker 1: Did you know that britt Floyd is performing today right here,

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Speaker 1: right now with the performance stage here.

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Speaker 3: I know right when our show started.

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Speaker 1: Well, isn't that typical. Hey, let's bring brit Floyd in

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Speaker 1: when Madden's on the air. Let's have a Christmas party

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Speaker 3: All the time. I love Pink Floyd too. I know

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Speaker 3: but but had I known, I would be high there.

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Speaker 2: If with Pink Floyd, I'm good.

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Speaker 3: He absolutely always was. It sucks that I can't be

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Speaker 2: Well, we could have taped.

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Speaker 1: But okay, we got that thing coming up, the draft

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Speaker 3: Oh this is great.

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Speaker 1: If anybody out there is a boat that would like

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Speaker 1: Like I said, Today's shows all over the place. Right now,

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Speaker 1: we're talking pitt athletics and the gigantic disappointment that they've become.

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Speaker 1: We got Tim Bens talking Steeler drafted three point thirty.

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Speaker 1: Noah Hiles at the Post Gazette talking Bucco baseball at

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Speaker 1: four o'clock, Colby Armstrong talking Penguins hockey at four thirty.

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Speaker 1: And it's a big hockey weekend in Pittsburgh, Winnipeg in

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Speaker 1: town tomorrow, Carolina in town on Sunday. Fourteen games left.

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Speaker 1: The Penguins need points, not moral victories, not loser points,

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Speaker 1: but two points at a time. Dennis Rodman already in

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Speaker 1: he is the best rebounder of all time, no question

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Speaker 1: about that. And he got inducted back in twenty eleven.

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Speaker 2: They didn't want to risk losing to do Cane. Now

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Speaker 3: Mark. It's ridiculous that they stopped playing the city game.

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Speaker 1: We gotta get back with you. Yeah they should have

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Speaker 3: Tom.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to weigh on in this uh in length later,

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Speaker 1: But but I heard a discussion on another program. Who's

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Speaker 3: X, it's the Woody Show, weekly mornings at six.

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Speaker 2: You're not the wiser, doesn't really matter.

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Speaker 3: into the Basketball Hall of Fame, and I think baseball's

436
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,640
Speaker 3: lower lower might that might be the case now, especially

437
00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,879
Speaker 3: with some of the recent entries that baseball has, But

438
00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:02,879
Speaker 3: it's a lot of people in there, and Rodman deserves

439
00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:04,600
Speaker 3: to be in it, even if they were stricter though,

440
00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:09,160
Speaker 3: because his rebounding is legendary and just his character as

441
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:10,760
Speaker 3: far as the kind of the figure that he was

442
00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,959
Speaker 3: in NBA history, he was an iconic kind of you know,

443
00:20:14,440 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 3: do you call him a cartoon character?

444
00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:15,919
Speaker 4: Almost?

445
00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:16,720
Speaker 3: He kind of was like.

446
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,879
Speaker 1: That, Yeah, that's fair if you don't mean it in

447
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:23,360
Speaker 1: an insulting way, like there's sometimes I say that about

448
00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:26,520
Speaker 1: where I'm kind of dismissive. But yeah, he was larger

449
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 1: than light with the big hair dress it might be

450
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,480
Speaker 1: a better way to put it. Not always big here,

451
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,119
Speaker 1: mostly the dyed hair. Didn't he have the multi colored

452
00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:34,639
Speaker 1: didn't he have the shoes too with the fish in

453
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,200
Speaker 1: the heels? He did your drag?

454
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:38,760
Speaker 3: Yes? And the wedding dress right.

455
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:42,720
Speaker 1: Damn attractive man in a wedding dress. Yeah, so I'm glad.

456
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,159
Speaker 1: I'm glad Dennis is in. Well, now it's going to

457
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:49,080
Speaker 1: be two halls of fame. Tom. We were just watching

458
00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:51,600
Speaker 1: Kentucky almost got upset, but they ended up winning an

459
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,880
Speaker 1: overtime yesterday late in the Progray watching Siena and they're

460
00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,120
Speaker 1: near win. Did you watch any basketball after you left work?

461
00:20:59,480 --> 00:20:59,920
Speaker 2: I didn't.

462
00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,200
Speaker 1: I saw one half of basketball yesterday, Like I said

463
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:06,040
Speaker 1: Sienna and Duke, I just saw out in the hallway

464
00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,719
Speaker 1: a bit of the Kentucky overtime.

465
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:08,640
Speaker 2: Who are they.

466
00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,199
Speaker 3: Playing Santa Clara?

467
00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 2: Yeah?

468
00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:13,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, I mean I like it in

469
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 1: small doses. I just said to David Edgar, one of

470
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 1: our bosses, who of course is not working and instead

471
00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,360
Speaker 1: watching basketball and Britt Floyd.

472
00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:24,040
Speaker 3: And having a concert.

473
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, But it's a fun day at work

474
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 1: here with Robert Morris, Ducane and Pitt not in it

475
00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 1: and no local connection like when when one of them

476
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:35,840
Speaker 1: was in, even Robert Morris, who honestly, you know, very

477
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 1: good program at their level.

478
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:37,640
Speaker 2: I really don't care.

479
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,119
Speaker 1: Like a few years ago when Dukane made it and

480
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,240
Speaker 1: won a game that kept me interested in the whole tournament,

481
00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 1: there was a carryover. Now, with nobody local in from

482
00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:47,240
Speaker 1: the get go, I just don't care.

483
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's depressing that no one's local, and me,

484
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,199
Speaker 3: as a pit fan, it's depressing that I literally grew up.

485
00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 3: Why I'm such a big pit basketball fans because it

486
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,359
Speaker 3: was like a given every year they just March Madness.

487
00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 3: They are like a three seed, a four seed, sometimes

488
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 3: a one seed, So it sucks not having any kind

489
00:21:59,880 --> 00:22:02,320
Speaker 3: of local tie. But to answer your initial question, yeah,

490
00:22:02,320 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 3: I watched all the basketball. I still love March Madness

491
00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,719
Speaker 3: as far as you know appointment television is concerned, and

492
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 3: it was great.

493
00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,399
Speaker 1: Uh that game yesterday Sienna and Duke, they had zero

494
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 1: depth and didn't sub at all unless they did really

495
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: late when the game got out of hand. And did

496
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 1: you see how tired their players were afterwards, like literally

497
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,240
Speaker 1: not quite collapsing when the corporate holding each other up.

498
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:26,919
Speaker 3: Yeah no, I mean all of them played forty minutes

499
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:28,959
Speaker 3: according to the box score, just five guys there were.

500
00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 3: There was no substitutions, and you could just tell, like

501
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:32,880
Speaker 3: at the end of the game when Duke was starting

502
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 3: to take control, those Cinderellas need to just bang threes

503
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:38,200
Speaker 3: because you're not going to get inside on a team

504
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:40,000
Speaker 3: like that, and they had no legs to get in

505
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:40,480
Speaker 3: those shots.

506
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Speaker 1: I've seen the Duke coach criticized for not subbing at all.

507
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:45,840
Speaker 1: I give him credit. He rightly figured that was their

508
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,959
Speaker 1: only chance to win, and if the game had been

509
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: thirty minutes, he would have won. I mean they did

510
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: wear out well Tom if he plays his jabbronis.

511
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:54,359
Speaker 3: They're not your Broni's though. They got to get there

512
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 3: for the for a reason. They didn't just play five

513
00:22:56,280 --> 00:22:57,120
Speaker 3: guys all year long.

514
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 2: It's a sixteen seeds.

515
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they won their tournament, they won their conference.

516
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 3: It's like there were guys that you relied on. You

517
00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 3: can't get three minutes a hard defense out of somebody

518
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,959
Speaker 3: to give your best score of a blow.

519
00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 2: Maybe not.

520
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:09,119
Speaker 3: I guess McNamara said no, but I think he should

521
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 3: have subbed a little bit.

522
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: Miami of Ohio won their first four game. They played

523
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:16,800
Speaker 1: Tennessee at four thirty, a number sixty. Can they pull

524
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 1: it off?

525
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely. Miami of Ohio is a lot better than

526
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,800
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are giving them. Great

527
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:24,399
Speaker 3: Like SMU was a really good team in a lot

528
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,840
Speaker 3: of people's eyes, and they just smoked them from start

529
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 3: to finish. People underestimated Miami of Ohio because of the

530
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,640
Speaker 3: Mac thing. They're thirty one and or now thirty two.

531
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Speaker 1: In one Well no, no, like I'm gonna talk about

532
00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: later we got sound from that high Point coach. They

533
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 1: beat Wisconsin in an upset, and he basically cut a

534
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,399
Speaker 1: promo and said, you know that's the bottom line because

535
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: we just kicked your ass.

536
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 3: Uh.

537
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 1: But you know, people talk about the mid majors, they

538
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,920
Speaker 1: pull up sets like high Point one, Virginia, Commonwealth one,

539
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:54,840
Speaker 1: Saint Louis one.

540
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 2: And and the reason they don't want.

541
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Speaker 1: Teams like Miami of Ohio win and we'll like exclude

542
00:24:00,520 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: them when they can like these teams I just mentioned,

543
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: there's conference winners in there that had to go, but

544
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: they don't want him in there because they talk about

545
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,920
Speaker 1: the romance of the upsets, but they don't really want

546
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 1: the upsets.

547
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 3: The committee the tournament you mean, yeah, I think they

548
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 3: do to a degree, like on the first weekend, but

549
00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 3: they don't want teams run. Disagree because once.

550
00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 1: That big seed, that big name is out, they're not

551
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:22,600
Speaker 1: in anymore.

552
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 3: Well that's to a degree too, like a five seed

553
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,360
Speaker 3: going on. And he cares about Wisconsin, Zact or Tennessee

554
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 3: losing No. One.

555
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,640
Speaker 1: They didn't want VCU to upset Caroline. I can tell

556
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: you that, no question about that.

557
00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 3: And it was going to be panic time if Sienna

558
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 3: did pull off the impossible and beat Duke. I mean,

559
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 3: Duke is the marquee team this year. Everything is kind

560
00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:41,280
Speaker 3: of geared towards Duke running this table. For that to

561
00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 3: be done immediately, it would have been hilarious.

562
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 1: Tom I got some Bucco talk at the top of

563
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: the hour and that Noah Hiles joins us. Is he

564
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 1: Ivan Bradenton, I'm sure he is. Well the poster that's

565
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,879
Speaker 1: still sending people on a road despite being just about Donzo.

566
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:53,320
Speaker 4: No.

567
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: I respect that at least they're trying to do a

568
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 1: job right down to the very end. Tell me one

569
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:00,639
Speaker 1: thing to go to happen and for the Pirates to

570
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 1: have a winning season. One thing that has to happen

571
00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 1: for them to have a winning season.

572
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 3: Oneal Cruz has to hit like two forty and he's

573
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 3: got to get to that what thirty thirty level that

574
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 3: you said he should be at. That that's non negotiable,

575
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,000
Speaker 3: and two forty is still me giving him a lot

576
00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 3: of leeway there. That's not a good hitter, but if

577
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 3: he can do that, as far as powers with.

578
00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: Thirty bombs is good, it's solid by the standard of

579
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 1: the day, it's it's more than fine and there should

580
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:26,119
Speaker 1: be other guys that hit for average. I don't give

581
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 1: a raps ass about a stolen bases. That's just not

582
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: part of the game anymore, not not significantly.

583
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 2: Anyway. I got a list.

584
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:37,040
Speaker 1: I wrote a column in the trib with the things

585
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 1: that the Pirates need to do. Another thing I put

586
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: down is at schemes, he started thirty two games last year.

587
00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 1: Can you guess what their record was in those games?

588
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,200
Speaker 1: Not his record, their record. He was ten and ten.

589
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 3: Thirty two games. They were probably under five hundred. They

590
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,840
Speaker 3: were seventeen and fifteen, a little over five.

591
00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:53,920
Speaker 2: That's unacceptable.

592
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,200
Speaker 1: You do that again, you're not going nowhere. And that's

593
00:25:56,200 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: not on him, that's on the batch. But still you

594
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: got to support them. They should lose like five total

595
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:02,879
Speaker 1: the skeen starts. It's the It's well in my article

596
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: I said they should. They should win seventy five percent

597
00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:07,320
Speaker 1: of the game. Yes, they should be twenty four and

598
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 1: eight the game Skien starts. Yeah, without question. You know skeens.

599
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 2: By the way, I bet Cruz sucks. I just think

600
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 2: he is what he is.

601
00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 3: This is something that you know, I think everybody is

602
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 3: assuming and should assume because I think it's going to

603
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 3: be true. But Skeens has to be the best pitcher

604
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,120
Speaker 3: in baseball too, right, Like he's got to stay healthy,

605
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 3: he's got to go those thirty two starts. He's got

606
00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 3: to go deep into more starts. I think that's the

607
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 3: one area where Skens could improve slightly is controlling that

608
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 3: pitch count. That's tough to do for a strikeout guy.

609
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 3: But sometimes he'd have to leave, like fifth sixth inning.

610
00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 3: Now in today's MLB, they want the starters out by

611
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 3: the fifth sixth inning. But he's a different cat if

612
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:37,800
Speaker 3: he can get to the seventh or eighty.

613
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: Funny you mentioned that, I think for them to make

614
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: the playoffs, which would already is shooting for correct, yes,

615
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 1: even to be five hundred. I think Donnie Kelly has

616
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 1: to go past the pitch cut once in a while

617
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: if he thinks it's indigenous to winning the game.

618
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 3: Now.

619
00:26:52,200 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: Will the pitcher want to do that, Will the pitcher's

620
00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,879
Speaker 1: agent want to do that? I do not know, But

621
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 1: I think if Kelly just manages by rote and analytics

622
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:04,360
Speaker 1: and paints by numbers like almost every manager does, then

623
00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:06,080
Speaker 1: it comes down to how good the team is.

624
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: I don't think the Pirates are good enough.

625
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 3: Like you're in July and the Brewers are in town

626
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,479
Speaker 3: and Skeens is on the mound and he's just in control.

627
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 3: But it's only like a two to one lead or

628
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 3: two nothing lead. Let him get to one ten, one fifteen.

629
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:18,640
Speaker 3: Even Verlander used to do that all the time.

630
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,479
Speaker 1: Is funny, you know how we keep getting told like

631
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: John Smoltz during the World Baseball Classic said that you

632
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: know it's inevitable he'll elbow trouble. Well, if that's the case,

633
00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: then let's just, you know, ride it out till he does. Yeah,

634
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: and let's use him a little more un till he does.

635
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: I refuse to believe that if and when Paul Skeens

636
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,560
Speaker 1: has what people inevitably feel you'll have to have Tommy

637
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: John surgery, it'll be because he he pitched one hundred

638
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: and ten pitches once in a while.

639
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 3: And that's not the Pirates problem, to be frank, you know,

640
00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,240
Speaker 3: they should be just pushing the envelope.

641
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 2: Should not be saving him for the Dodgers. He's gone anyway.

642
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 3: So say he blows out his arm in July and

643
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 3: that sucks for the Pirates season, Okay, but that's mainly

644
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: gonna have hurt it the Dodgers.

645
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,480
Speaker 1: I think if Kelly did that, Skeens would maybe not Skeens,

646
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: but his agent would bitch.

647
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 3: I think it would come from the agent. I think

648
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 3: Skeens is someone that would like he'd want in the moment.

649
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:04,439
Speaker 3: I think he'd want to stay on the mound and

650
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 3: pitching that spot.

651
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 2: You know what, I still can't believe he did that.

652
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 1: He said, pitching for the USA at the World Baseball

653
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:12,879
Speaker 1: Classic is the closest he comes to being in the

654
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:14,240
Speaker 1: Air Force, which he almost did.

655
00:28:14,640 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 2: The two things are not remotely comparable.

656
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 3: He is such a darling right now, like the apple

657
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Speaker 3: and baseball's eye in Pittsburgh's eye that that slid more

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Speaker 3: than it should have.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no question. Tom Quick, Hockey Talk, Winnipeg on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: It's tomorrow, Caroline on Sunday, both games at home. How

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00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 1: many points will the Penguins get? They need to get four,

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Speaker 1: and I think they're gonna get four. They're gonna beat

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Speaker 1: the Jets, and they play the Hurricanes. Well, it's just

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Speaker 1: something about that building, I guess. And they beat them

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Speaker 1: once at Pittsburgh already this year. So I'll go four,

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Speaker 1: four for four. Every point's big, every results big. And

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they need to be Caroline and not Winnipeg.

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Speaker 1: They need, like you said, four points, I could live

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Speaker 1: with three, Okay, then again, that freaking loser point. I'm

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Speaker 1: tired of the goddamn loser point. And I'm somebody who

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00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 1: hates the loser point more than anybody. But it is

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Speaker 1: propping the Penguins up, but is keeping them in the race.

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Speaker 3: But at the same time, it's also keeping them in

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00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 3: the race from the other side of things, where they

675
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 3: would be so much more comfortable right now if they

676
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Speaker 3: would just win those games and earn that extra point

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00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 3: every now and then, Columbus just won't freaking go away.

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Speaker 3: I mean, they are just not gonna stop losing.

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Speaker 1: I'm more worried about you know what too, I'm worried

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Speaker 1: about the Islanders with Shaefer.

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00:29:16,800 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're they flipped out though they're they're outside looking

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Speaker 3: in right now. And I think they play the Canadian

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00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 3: on Saturday, which is ice you, but dependents are only

684
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:26,000
Speaker 3: one point safe now. It's insane. Everybody is so sandwiched

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Speaker 3: in right now. The wild card's wig in play for

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Speaker 3: sure for the Metro.

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Speaker 1: And that is what they wanted when they decided to

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Speaker 1: have the loser point.

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Speaker 2: But but you gotta beat Carolina at some point.

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Speaker 1: I mean, if you think you're a playoff team that

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Speaker 1: could win a series, you might have to play Carolina

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Speaker 1: and it would be bad to have not beaten them

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Speaker 1: in forever when you do. This segment brought to list

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Speaker 1: by Sandroova, Chendroovitch and Fisherman. They got your back this hour.

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00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:51,480
Speaker 1: I should say they got your back, not your wallet.

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with the trifecta one oh five to nine.

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Speaker 4: Tomorrow afternoon depends face off against the Jets. Game time

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Speaker 4: is one.

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Speaker 3: Pre game starts at nune.

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Speaker 4: Listen to every game and the best Pens coverage on

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Speaker 4: your home in the Pittsburgh Penguins one five nine d X.

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Speaker 3: From the word, It's the Mark Madhune Free game Show

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Speaker 3: on DX.

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Speaker 2: Tom what do we got for the trifectum?

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Speaker 3: For today's trifecta, Mark, Since Chuck Norris passed away, in

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Speaker 3: honor of him, I came up with three really great

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Speaker 3: Chuck Norris jokes that I went through research and these

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Speaker 3: are three that I thought were the best.

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Speaker 2: So you did research for a change, I.

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Speaker 3: Did, Yes. Number three, the flu gets a Chuck Norris

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Speaker 3: shot every year. Number two Chuck Norris's tears can cure cancer.

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Speaker 3: It's just too bad he's never cried. And Number one

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Speaker 3: Chuck Norris doesn't read books. He stares them down until

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Speaker 3: he gets the information that he wants all very good.

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Speaker 1: The trifecta broughtwast by Dandy's PiZZ and Hogies uh family

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Speaker 1: owned and operated in nineteen sixty that Standy's on Route

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Speaker 1: eighty eight in Bethel Park. I like his cameo in

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Speaker 1: Dodgeball Classic, and I thought it was hilarious. He was

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Speaker 1: not in the movie. But what were Ricky Bobby's kids'

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Speaker 1: names in Talladega Nights Walker and Texas Ranger, And they

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Speaker 1: called Texas Ranger Tea, which is course what you would

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Speaker 1: call him. You know, I met what I said earlier.

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Speaker 1: I was shocked that he died. The idea of him

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Speaker 1: dye never occurred to me.

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Speaker 3: No, And you know, he's eighty six years old, so

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Speaker 3: he lived forever, really long life. But anytime you'd see

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Speaker 3: him like pop up in public, even like a couple

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Speaker 3: of years ago, he looked like he was still in

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Speaker 3: great shape. Because he's Chuck freaking Norris. Of course he

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Speaker 3: was in great shape.

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Speaker 1: We got kind of a silly SoundBite later from Steve

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Speaker 1: and A Smith eulogizing Chuck Norris. And when you think

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Speaker 1: of Chuck Norris, like Stephen A seemed to think of

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Speaker 1: him as a martial arts guy. I never really thought

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Speaker 1: of that, did you. I just thought he was a

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Speaker 1: badass action movie guy. That's kind of where I thought too.

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Speaker 1: Just badass was really it with him, just overall badass.

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Speaker 1: And I guess he did do some stuff with karate

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Speaker 1: and he was a mixed martial arts guy, but no

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Speaker 1: one thinks of him in that light.

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Speaker 3: It is all about the movie. It is all about

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Speaker 3: That's where he started.

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Speaker 1: That was his platform to get into the Hollywood.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like saying with Bruce Lee.

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00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. So Yeah, I don't know why you would

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Speaker 3: think that people resonate with him in his impact in

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Speaker 3: the MMA community.

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Speaker 1: Tom a little later, because I'm doing this my first

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Speaker 1: wrestling appearance in years, at the International Wrestling Cartel the IWC,

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Speaker 1: their twenty fifty anniversary show at Marx's Court Time in Elizabeth, PA.

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Speaker 2: That's this Saturday.

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Speaker 1: I'll be doing a Q and A at six o'clock

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Speaker 1: with Great Wrestling to follow my buddy Jerry Lynn, who

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Speaker 1: I worked with back when, great performer, he'll be there

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Speaker 1: as well. I think I figured out, you know, Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady talking smack on Logan Paul, who is an influencer

757
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Speaker 1: but a full time WB guy, Logan Paul saying no

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Speaker 1: wrestler could beat him up. I think I know it's

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Speaker 1: going to happen, and I'll talk about that a little later.

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Speaker 1: And I have a good read on stuff like this.

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Speaker 1: But let me ask you this. Here's the one thing

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Speaker 1: I can't figure out. Do you think that Tom Dy

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Speaker 1: would take a bump?

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Speaker 3: I don't know, because that does paint you in a

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Speaker 3: certain light.

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Speaker 2: Wrestler match take a bump.

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Speaker 3: But see, I'm not an expert like you are, or

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Speaker 3: even pretend to even watch it at all, But like

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Speaker 3: that paints you in a certain light, obviously, right when

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Speaker 3: you're the person that takes that bump like you're not.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, like, I mean, does it

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Speaker 2: make you a fake? I don't know. I mean Lawrence

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Speaker 2: Taylor didn't. It didn't make him a fake.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Well, that's a great example that you could bring up.

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Speaker 3: That's the greatest defensive player of all time.

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Speaker 1: He did, he did he did a match, a whole

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Speaker 1: match with Bam Bam Bigelow at a wrestle Mania and

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Speaker 1: and boy was Scottie Bam Bam was he great in

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Speaker 1: that match? He I another one of my friends that

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00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: had left the earth far too young. What a great

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00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: guy and a great performer. But but yeah, but Nelt

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Speaker 1: needed the money.

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Speaker 3: And you think Brady's ego is just too big to

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Speaker 3: be like, I'm not gonna get you know, I'm not

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Speaker 3: gonna do this.

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna what not. No, I didn't say wrestler match.

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Speaker 3: I said take a bump, so it would just be

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Speaker 3: a part of it in a small.

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Speaker 1: My scenario involves him taking a bump, which which I'll

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Speaker 1: get too later, Okay, And you know, and don't forget

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't have to take the bump, say wrestle Mania.

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Speaker 2: You know where you could set the whole thing up, don't.

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Speaker 1: You Nowhere so you can tell you don't have a

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Speaker 1: keen wrestling mind. I'm wrestling guy. Yeah, we'll be on

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Speaker 1: display at this show on Saturday. It marks his court time.

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Speaker 1: I'll be there at six pm. They got that flag football? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I thought of it, and it took me a second

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Speaker 1: to get there. But yeah, because then you wouldn't be

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Speaker 1: taking a wrestling bump.

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Speaker 3: You'd be taking a football, like if someone tackles him

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Speaker 3: for real instead of takes it, Like if Logan Paul

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Speaker 3: takes takes a shot out of Saxon instead of actually

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Speaker 3: taking it. And I'm giving away too much instead of

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Speaker 3: like just taking the flag. Yeah no, no, I like

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00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 3: that angle from it actually, although I think there also

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Speaker 3: is a chance that Tom Brady was just telling the

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Speaker 3: truth and he doesn't like he doesn't like wrestling.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think there's but you could you could

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Speaker 1: make money off that too, But then again, Brady doesn't

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Speaker 1: need the money. I'm I'm back and forth on what

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Speaker 1: ultimately happens, but there is a way. I think it's

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Speaker 1: possible that that he would do it. And don't forget

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Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman and Karl Malone compromised the NBA Finals.

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Speaker 3: I've told that story a lot of time. That story.

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Speaker 3: It's insane that that happened.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for the just a quick recap, our highest grossing

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Speaker 1: pay per view match ever at WCW was Rodman and

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Speaker 1: hal Cogan against Carl Malone and Diamond Dallas Page and

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Speaker 1: we set that up even before we knew that Utah

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Speaker 1: and Chicago would be in the final, and when they were,

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Speaker 1: everybody remembers the scuffle that Malone and Rodman had. We

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Speaker 1: asked them to do that. We asked them to do

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Speaker 1: that to set up the pay per view match. We

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Speaker 1: compromised the NBA finals because Dennis would do anything for money,

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Speaker 1: and I really love Dennis, but he would And Carl

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Speaker 1: Malone was a friggin'.

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Speaker 3: Mark, wrestling big time.

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Speaker 2: More than he should, more than he should.

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Speaker 3: That's perfect right in your laps.

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Speaker 1: No, you know what you know what's funny too is that,

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Speaker 1: you know, having met with both of them and worked

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Speaker 1: briefly with Carl, Carl Malone, total dink Rodman, great guy,

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Speaker 1: and you would think it's the opposite, but but that's

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Speaker 1: how it was.

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Speaker 2: One oh five ninety x