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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on BELBS, Boston's news radio.

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Speaker 2: Well, today was a huge day in the Middle East.

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Speaker 2: I think all of you know of what I speak.

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Speaker 2: The hostages, the Israeli hostages, twenty of them have come home.

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Speaker 2: Not all of them were as lucky as these twenty

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Speaker 2: two have survived. But it was emotional. I watched this today.

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Speaker 2: I don't know how many of you. Today's a holiday,

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Speaker 2: whether you celebrate Columbus Day or Indigenous People's Day. Today

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Speaker 2: was a holiday and people had an opportunity to watch

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Speaker 2: coverage on both Fox and CNN. There were some cut

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Speaker 2: ins from CBS, ABC and NBC tended to ignore most

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Speaker 2: of the most of the day. President Trump flew and

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Speaker 2: into Tel Aviv addressed the Israeli Kanessa their parlor this morning. Uh,

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Speaker 2: it was. It was quite a day. And then there

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Speaker 2: was a signing with the president and leaders of dozens

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Speaker 2: of countries in the Middle Eastern countries and joining us

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Speaker 2: now is a friend of this program for many years,

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Speaker 2: who we have talked about this day. I don't know

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Speaker 2: that either of us thought that it would come. But

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Speaker 2: Jeff Rollins, just an amazing, an amazing day to watch

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Speaker 2: your your thoughts. I'm sure you you spend probably a

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Speaker 2: lot of time Jeff Robbins, Uh, watching on television as

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Speaker 2: I did. Great.

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Speaker 3: Great to have you back, Thank you, Dan, thank you

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Speaker 3: for having me. And you're right, it was a hugely

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Speaker 3: emotional day as the footage emerged of hostages, starved, tortured, abused,

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Speaker 3: kept underground in tunnels for two years, as they rejoined

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Speaker 3: their loved ones after two long, miserable, brutal years. It

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Speaker 3: would take someone pretty remarkable not to be moved, even

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Speaker 3: moved to tears by watching these reunions. You're totally right.

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Speaker 3: It was an extraordinary day.

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Speaker 2: The President was right in the middle of it. He

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Speaker 2: of course put it in ways that I think he

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Speaker 2: has a right to speak of them. I hope that

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Speaker 2: this peace will last. But this was the president in Egypt.

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Speaker 2: Cut number twenty three. Rob I want to get you know,

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Speaker 2: Jeff Robbins, just just a comment on some of what

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Speaker 2: the president had to had to say. This is cut

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Speaker 2: number twenty three. It's only nineteen seconds he signing to

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Speaker 2: piece deal in Egypt.

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Speaker 4: Just took three thousand years to get to this point.

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Speaker 2: Can you believe it?

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Speaker 1: And it's going to hold up to it's going to.

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Speaker 2: Okay, thank you, he went on. He went on to

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Speaker 2: follow up on that in cut number twenty four.

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Speaker 5: Up.

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Speaker 4: Well, the momentum now is toward a great, glorious and

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Speaker 4: lasting peace, and our commitment to fulfilling the twenty point

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Speaker 4: plan we developed together will be the crucial foundation for achieving.

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Speaker 2: That right future.

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Speaker 4: And it's being worked on right now as we speak,

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Speaker 4: and we're.

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Speaker 2: Actually in stage three and four.

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Speaker 4: It's not going to be, you know, just divided down.

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Speaker 4: So simply we can be long advanced on some of

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Speaker 4: the things that we say we're going to do. We

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Speaker 4: can take them out of order in a positive way,

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Speaker 4: and we've shown how it can be done with responsible

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Speaker 4: nations like the people in this room. It's incredible people

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Speaker 4: in this room setting aside their differences, seeking common ground

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Speaker 4: and pursuing a better world for.

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Speaker 2: All of us. This is not intended in any way,

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Speaker 2: shape or form to be a partisan, but it is

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Speaker 2: is the work of President Trump and his team that

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Speaker 2: seems to have somehow taken the opportunity that has presented itself.

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Speaker 2: And we can get into, Jeff, with all of the

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Speaker 2: events that led up to this, starting with tragically two

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Speaker 2: years ago on October seventh. But I do want to

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Speaker 2: give credit to Hillary Clinton. She's not someone who I

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Speaker 2: she was talking with CBS about the peace deal and

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Speaker 2: she took the opportunity to commend appropriately, but to commend

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Speaker 2: President Trump. And I'm sure it was not something that

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Speaker 2: she enjoyed doing. But this is cut number eight a rob.

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Speaker 6: It's a really significant first step, and I really commend

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Speaker 6: President Trump and his administration, as well as Arab leaders

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Speaker 2: So this has been a situation that American presidents have

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Speaker 2: dealt with since Harry Truman, in one form or another,

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Speaker 2: through the Sixth Day War of eighty seven, the War Well,

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Speaker 2: the attacks on Israel in nineteen forty eight, the very

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Speaker 2: year that they were the nation was founded. They've been

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Speaker 2: We've talked about this. Could have you ever imagine this

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Speaker 2: two years ago, Jeff, We talked about this two years

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Speaker 3: Well, no, and you know what happened today raises so

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Speaker 3: many issues in so many different directions, and none more

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Speaker 3: pressing than this. This never had to happen. This just

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Speaker 3: Everybody now dead on either side of the border. The

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Speaker 3: made by this group Hamas jihadis genocidal group to send

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Speaker 3: three to five thousand people armed guvernment into Israel for

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Speaker 3: the purpose of slaughtering as many people as possible. At

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Speaker 3: any point over the last two years, Hamas could have

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Speaker 3: reason for that we can get into. But the truth

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Speaker 3: and the Trump White House and President Trump, with who

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Speaker 3: showcases the role that he played and the commanding presence

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Speaker 3: He's the most popular person in Israel right now. He

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Speaker 3: clearly does care, has cared about the hostages and frankly,

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Speaker 2: Well, there's so much to talk about, obviously, what what

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Speaker 2: we get back, Jeff, I want to talk about what's

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Speaker 2: next again. The Hamas has given up its leverage, and

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't trust them. I'm sure you

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Speaker 2: don't either, but I'd love to find out from you.

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Speaker 2: Are you surprised we talked about this last week? Are

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Speaker 2: you surprised that the twenty hostages that we knew of

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about that as well. My guest

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Speaker 2: and I chose not to reintroduce him, but former head

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Speaker 2: of the ADL here in New England, the Anti Defamation League,

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Speaker 2: served in the in the Clinton administration. Again, not a

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Speaker 2: but he has I think respected what the President has

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Speaker 2: two years later, Israel has has not only survived, but

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Speaker 2: just think of. I guess one hundred Abu Dhabis would

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Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 2: Jeff. One question that I have quickly here, and that

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Speaker 2: all of the demonstrators here in Massachusetts that we've come

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Speaker 3: No, it's pretty revealing. There is silence from a lot

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Speaker 3: And more than that, you know, over the last thirty

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Speaker 3: seems clear executing so called collaborators, those who have dared

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Speaker 3: it's very very disturbing, but not entirely shocking.

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Speaker 2: There was at least an illusion to that. On ABC

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Speaker 2: News World News Tonight with David Muir, who is reporting

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Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly right.

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Speaker 3: Is that right, Jeff, that's exactly right. In nineteen ninety nine,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Right, that there's some work left undone there despite

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Speaker 1: It's Nice Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news Radio.

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Speaker 2: My guest is Jeff Robbins. Jeff, we have talked about this,

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Speaker 2: in the right direction. Today I thought went remarkably well,

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Speaker 5: I don't know that's the strength going problems here anyway.

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Speaker 5: I wanted to ask mister Robins this, especially after Crump's

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Speaker 3: I don't think that anyone in the Middle East is

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Speaker 2: Let let let let them go. Yeah, Jeff, Jeff Robbins

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Speaker 3: But I do think that something has happened over the

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Speaker 3: So to your question, yes, you may be right. There

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Speaker 8: Very good reply, I can say.

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Speaker 8: Hi, damn Hi, Jeff?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Was this was this? Was this a fellow who

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Speaker 1: Hey.

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Speaker 8: I think that Trump's speech in Jerusalem today and the

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Speaker 8: And most assuredly, the the the Obama Clinton Harris Curry

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Speaker 3: Your thoughts, well, my thoughts are I mean, I think

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Speaker 3: was a matter of settlements, there was a matter of

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Speaker 3: two state solutions, was just intellectually silly. So I do

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Speaker 3: think that fundamentally that Joe the caller is right that

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Speaker 3: so much of what we have heard, we continue to hear,

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Speaker 3: has been to use Joe Biden's expression proven to be

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Speaker 3: so much malarchy.

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Speaker 2: Well said, hey, Joe, thank you very much. I promise

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Speaker 2: I will never call you Phil again.

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Speaker 8: Okay, that's okay, Dan, Thank you again, Dan for supporting

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Speaker 8: your support for Israel and for this program todight. It's

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Speaker 8: very special. You must. I don't know how much you

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Speaker 8: understand what an important day today is for the relief

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Speaker 8: of the Jews and the hearts of Jewish people all

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Speaker 8: over the world. And your support is always respected. Dan.

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Speaker 8: I'm leaving for Israel Wednesday. I'm less to be there

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Speaker 8: at this critical time, and I hope to speak to

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Speaker 8: you about on a future program. Tell you what that well.

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Speaker 2: You know what, Joe, if you want some night, if

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Speaker 2: you can figure out the time difference, they're about seven

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Speaker 2: hours ahead of us, and if you happen to be

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Speaker 2: up late, give us a call from Israel and we'll

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Speaker 2: put you right in the air. Tell us what the

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Speaker 2: atmosphere is going to be like over there. I suspect

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Speaker 2: you're going to go to a country that's feeling very

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Speaker 2: good about itself and about its leadership at this point.

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Speaker 8: I'll do it.

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Speaker 2: Dan, Thanks, Joe, thanks very much, appreciate it. That's a

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Speaker 2: great call. He was right in the money. I'm looking

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Speaker 2: here at some of the leaders and again McCrone was there,

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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister of England, was their leaders from places

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Speaker 2: like Indonesia, obviously, the head of Turkey at a Groan

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Speaker 2: was there. The head of the Palestinian Authority, a boss

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Speaker 2: was there. He apparently was invited at the last moment.

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Speaker 2: So it was quite an assembly and a lot of

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Speaker 2: people I'm sure would have liked to have been there,

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Speaker 2: but the invite, they didn't get the invite. It's a

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Speaker 2: day that you cannot underestimate the importance of Jeff Robbins.

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Speaker 2: This is a day that I thought I would never

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Speaker 2: see in my lifetime.

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Speaker 3: No, you're totally right. I mean to see all of

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Speaker 3: these leaders, some of them who have been relentlessly critical

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Speaker 3: of Israel over the course of these last two years,

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Speaker 3: as though they had some kind of solution for what

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Speaker 3: it was that Israel was supposed to have done on

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Speaker 3: October eighth, other than to do what it did, scramble,

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Speaker 3: as I say, to come to the Middle East. And

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Speaker 3: you know, it is a personal triumph of Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: So a lot of those people wanted to be there

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Speaker 3: because they wanted to be around Donald Trump and reflect

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Speaker 3: and basking is reflected glory and have the chance to

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Speaker 3: talk to him. That's really what it was. So it

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Speaker 3: is I have to say something that showcases American power

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Speaker 3: and good for us, and it's also, of course, a

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Speaker 3: tremendous relief to a country that has been brutalized and traumatized,

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Speaker 3: not quote unquote only by the blood of October seventh,

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Speaker 3: but to the defamation of the vilification, by the defamation

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Speaker 3: and the vilification that they have been subjected to over

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Speaker 3: the last two years for simply trying to stop an

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Speaker 3: entity that has pledged to destroy it from destroying it.

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Speaker 2: You know, I felt the same way today as an

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Speaker 2: American watching that unfold as I did when President Omama

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Speaker 2: announced that indeed the US military had taken out Osama

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Speaker 2: bin Laden. I was disappointed in President Obama's statement over

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Speaker 2: the weekend in which he could not bring himself to

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Speaker 2: acknowledging President Trump, which was very disappointing to me. As

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Speaker 2: a matter of fact. Abby Phillips, who is a commentator

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Speaker 2: on CNN and is a fan very much so a

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Speaker 2: President Obama, she offered this criticism of former President Obama

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Speaker 2: for not mentioning President Trump. This is cut number eight. Please, Rob,

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Speaker 2: I want you.

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Speaker 9: President Obama put out this post talking about the peace

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Speaker 9: deal and the prospects of it, and Don Junior responded

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Speaker 9: to it, I'll finish it for you. Thank you. Donald Trump. Honestly,

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Speaker 9: it's not unfair to say, if President Obama's going to

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Speaker 9: write a whole post about a peace deal, maybe he

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Speaker 9: should acknowledge the president that broke her in.

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Speaker 2: Again. Just curious your thought, your thought on that President

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Speaker 2: Obama's again either oversight or unwillingness to acknowledge President Trump.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you're right. I think that it undermines

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Speaker 3: the credibility of Democrats, whose credibility on this subject is

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Speaker 3: already in tatters, to simply pretend that this happened without

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Speaker 3: the decisions that made that Donald Trump made. And you know, frankly,

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Speaker 3: one of the decisions that Donald Trump made was to

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Speaker 3: let Yahoo givet Yahoo cover to militarily hammer Hamas. It's

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Speaker 3: horrible what happened in Casa. It's brutal. What happened in Casa,

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Speaker 3: It's god awful. But Trump understood that Hamas understood only

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Speaker 3: one message. I don't think that Yahoo was wrong about that.

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Speaker 3: And I think one of the numerous respects in which

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump deserves credit for today is that he let

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Speaker 3: that occur. Hamas, I think was what was banking on

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Speaker 3: the pressure on NETAO in Israel being so withering that

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Speaker 3: they would have to fold, and Trump, to his credit,

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Speaker 3: didn't permit that to happen. And I think that's one

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Speaker 3: of the relatively underreported respects in which Trump gets credit for.

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Speaker 2: Today, my guest is Jeff Robbins. We will wrap the hour.

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Speaker 2: We're going to continue to talk about this for much

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Speaker 2: much more into the next hour. It'll be just you

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Speaker 2: and me. But right now we still have Jeff Robbins,

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Speaker 2: and I'll get to more phone calls for Jeff Robbins

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Speaker 2: right after this break here on Nightside six one seven, two, five, four,

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Speaker 2: ten thirty six one seven, nine, three, one, ten thirty.

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Speaker 2: This is Nightside. It's a Monday night again, a day

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Speaker 2: of joy in Israel, joy in the Middle East, and

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Speaker 2: I think joy in the world. This is the world

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Speaker 2: is a piece of place. And whoever's running that nuclear clock,

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Speaker 2: the countdown clock, you hear, you hear stories about that

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Speaker 2: all the time. I think we have moved in a

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Speaker 2: very strong direction away from some sort of a nuclear

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Speaker 2: confrontation as a consequence of what has transpired in the

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Speaker 2: last few days. I mean, it's gone with lightning speed.

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Speaker 2: Back on Nightside right after.

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Speaker 1: This, You're on night Side with Dan Ray on w

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Speaker 1: b Z Boston's News Radio.

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Speaker 2: My guest is Jeff Robbins. We're talking about the amazing

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Speaker 2: events that transpired today in Israel. Most of us were home,

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Speaker 2: well even those of us who work, because it's a

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Speaker 2: holiday in America, either Columns Day or Indigenous People's Day.

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Speaker 2: In New Hampshire was Thanksgiving. Darryl, Happy Thanksgiving. But I

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Speaker 2: want to get right to it because we only got

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Speaker 2: about a minute left with Jeff Robins. Your reaction to

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Speaker 2: what transpired in Israel today.

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Speaker 8: Hi, Dan, Hi, Jeff.

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Speaker 7: I am so happy to see that at least the

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Speaker 7: people living were released. And the question to Jeff, maybe

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Speaker 7: is in the past I've come across younger people from

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Speaker 7: Palestine that have actually asked what a terrorist was, and

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Speaker 7: they asked it if that was anur Israeli and I

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Speaker 7: told them, no, a terrorist is somebody that does a

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Speaker 7: bad thing. How do we change that education?

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Speaker 2: That's a great question, That's a great question, dale, Jeff.

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Speaker 2: In Palestine, for many years, as I'm sure you know

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Speaker 2: better than me, children were taught in schools that Israel

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Speaker 2: were bad people.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, you're exactly right, both of you are exactly right.

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Speaker 3: It's worse than that, and it's one of the enduring

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Speaker 3: problems that now has to be tackled if there's going

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Speaker 3: to ever be a chance for real, lasting peace, and

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Speaker 3: that is the hatred, the viciousness, the vileness that is

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Speaker 3: taught in the Palestinian territories, in particular in Gaza, but

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Speaker 3: also in the West Bank. And of course it's been

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Speaker 3: a terrible problem for Israel. They've been talking about it

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Speaker 3: for a long time. Little kids are taught to want

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Speaker 3: to grow up to murder Jews just like that. And

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Speaker 3: what are we spect is going to happen if that's

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Speaker 3: what little kids are taught well us, it's a challenge.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let us hope that a lot will change going forward.

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Speaker 2: I think the potential exists. Darryl, thanks so much again.

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Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed your thanksgiving up there today. It

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Speaker 2: was a memorable day, that's for sure. Thanks John, Thank

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Speaker 2: you much. Jeff Robbins, as always, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: for being, you know, such a a supporter of Israel

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Speaker 2: forever and also a Democrat who is more than happy

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Speaker 2: to call on the carpet democrats who have been uh

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Speaker 2: less than than than supportive of Israel over.

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Speaker 3: John, thanks to you for as always creating such a wonderful,

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Speaker 3: unusual civil civic space that you have on this show.

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Speaker 3: It's just a wonderful thing. We're all grateful to you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Jeff, and we will continue on the other side

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Speaker 2: of the tenet long News again. Congratulations Jeff. It's amazing

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Speaker 2: to me that we're where we are tonight after where

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Speaker 2: we were years and a few days ago. Jeff Robbins,

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Speaker 2: thank you so much. When we get back, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to open up phone lines. It's as simple as that.

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Speaker 2: If you are a living human being, what happened in

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Speaker 2: Israel today will affect you and your family for decades

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Speaker 2: to come. This is a historic day. Don't underestimate it.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about it right after the ten