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Speaker 2: All right, seven to twenty Ken Cober, you just heard him,

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Speaker 2: And I asked can Kober where he laid the blame

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Speaker 4: I'm good it's good to talk. It's been quite a while.

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Speaker 3: It has been as nice to hear your voice, and

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Speaker 3: I've been listening to your show. You know, I want

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Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you. Brother. Let me say that the

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Speaker 3: The mayor, nor the manager, nor the city solicitor had

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Speaker 3: And everybody down in city Hall is on the same team.

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Speaker 3: We should have gone the trial. But that's the problem.

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Speaker 2: Malfeasans is no stranger and we can keep going for

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Speaker 2: But malfeasans is no new thing in the City of Cincinnati.

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Speaker 2: You know by AFTEP pure vall standard, Liz Rogers could

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Speaker 3: People were saying, oh man, the city council shut her

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Speaker 3: pick winners and losers. But at the end of the day,

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Speaker 3: it's rare to have a sitting mayor have their cars reposed. Yes,

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Speaker 3: and at the same time do a settlement of eight

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Speaker 3: point one million dollars and tell the citizens that was

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Speaker 3: our only choice. It wasn't we could have gone to trial.

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Speaker 3: It is exactly what we should have done.

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Speaker 2: One point seven million Americans have their cars repossessed on

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Speaker 2: any regular basis every year in this country.

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Speaker 4: Chris.

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Speaker 2: But my question is, and there are so many reasons

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Speaker 2: why that you know this could be possible, why this

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Speaker 2: could happen, is what is Mayor Purevoll's salary as mayor.

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Speaker 3: It's it's pretty I'm guessing around one hundred and twenty

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Speaker 3: five thousand a year. He's probably met in about eight

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Speaker 3: eight or eight or eighty five hundred dollars every single month,

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Speaker 3: something that most citizens will never see in their lifetime.

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Speaker 2: Right, And I guess the navigator maybe was costing him

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Speaker 2: about five or six hundred a month.

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Speaker 4: Max.

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Speaker 2: I understand if somebody has a medical emergency or there's

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Speaker 2: some issue that just occurs out of the blue. But

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Speaker 2: because you are careless and mess up an auto pay

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Speaker 2: for one month, the repo company, the finance company doesn't

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Speaker 2: come and take your car away. This happened, This had

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Speaker 2: to happen over at least a three month period. It's

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Speaker 2: usually ninety days, and they will make every attempt to

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Speaker 2: contact you in the interim to tell you you are

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Speaker 2: interrears with your car payment. So he was notified, he

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Speaker 2: knew about it. It wasn't carelessness. He just didn't pay

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Speaker 2: for three months, right.

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Speaker 3: So they at least three months, at least three months,

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Speaker 3: because it could have been four or five months. And

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Speaker 3: they knew that with the mayor, right, So you do

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Speaker 3: know that they were trying to be as costs as

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Speaker 3: they possibly could be. And so you are so right, Gary, Jeff,

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Speaker 3: you know, for him to do an interview and act

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Speaker 3: like this, is a thirty day scenario. He obviously was

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Speaker 3: not telling the truth. Period, I mean my period.

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Speaker 2: Even my cable company even gives me as much money

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Speaker 2: as I'm paying them, and I'm not happy about that,

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Speaker 2: that's my fault. But my cable company even gives me

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Speaker 2: a fifteen day grace period to pay my bill and

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Speaker 2: there's no late fee.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, yes, Think about every citizen out there who's

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Speaker 3: watching this council raise their taxes right whatever it is,

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Speaker 3: or advocate for raising their taxes or property taxes, city taxes, fees,

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Speaker 3: whatever they are.

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Speaker 2: A brand new fee, brand new feed just went a

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Speaker 2: new effect in certain places for restaurants and hotels.

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Speaker 3: That's right. So as we're processing this, the everyday person,

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Speaker 3: let's make it real, gets up every day, goes to work,

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Speaker 3: balances out their checkbook, lives within their budget for forty years, retires,

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Speaker 3: then lives on some retirement and social security, and they

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Speaker 3: still pay their bills. They're paying for their medicine, everything,

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Speaker 3: and they're never having their car or their house ever Repolle.

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Speaker 3: This is an example of someone who doesn't know how

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Speaker 3: to manage their personal finances from a financial planner's perspective

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Speaker 3: and So this is the reality is we're not we're

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Speaker 3: again the laughing joke right of the of the state,

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Speaker 3: and of the county and of the entire country that

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Speaker 3: we have a mayor whose car is being repolled at

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Speaker 3: the same time they're advocating to raising our taxes and

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Speaker 3: they themselves are voting to raise our taxes. It makes

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Speaker 3: absolutely no sense. And then there by the way, look

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Speaker 3: at the settlement to you, Gary, Jeff, Look for the

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Speaker 3: fire chief. He's coming up three to five million dollars

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Speaker 3: for most likely Chief Washington. Look for Chief Fiji. There's

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Speaker 3: going to be at there. So when we issue judgment

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Speaker 3: bonds for eight or ten million a city officials, if

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Speaker 3: you're listening to me, you might as well pump it

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Speaker 3: up to fifteen to eighteen million while you're in the

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Speaker 3: bond market, because you're going to continue to pay out

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Speaker 3: these kinds of settlements based on the irresponsible decisions that

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Speaker 3: are coming from the administration.

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Speaker 2: Well, the money tree will be bare again very soon, Chris.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they can find another railroad to sell. Uh. Chris

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Speaker 2: Smitherman with the Monday Spleen event this morning. Good stuff,

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Speaker 2: Thank you, my friend and Mary.

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Speaker 3: Christmas, thanks for having me on Merry Christmas

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Speaker 4: To you too, all right, it's seven forty