1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:05,520 Speaker 1: It's nice with Dan Ray. I'm going Easy Bond's News Radio. 2 00:00:05,880 --> 00:00:08,600 Speaker 2: I love the spooky music. My goodness. I hope you 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,360 Speaker 2: Halloween has been nice. Hope you've only had treats and 4 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 2: no tricks. We have lots of treats for you tonight. 5 00:00:14,880 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 2: We have interesting topics coming up. We're going to talk 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 2: about the impact of that extra hour of sleep that 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: you'll get tomorrow night when the clocks fall back. We'll 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,760 Speaker 2: also talk during this hour with a representative of a group. 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 2: Didn't name the group, but it's called Old Ladies Against 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 2: Underwater Garbage. We'll also talk about something called dooms scrolling, 11 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 2: and after you've doom scrolled, you might want to join 12 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 2: a scream club. There are now scream clubs around the 13 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: United States. So we have lots to do. We're going 14 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 2: to keep up to data. What's going on with the snack, 15 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: the snap benefit, the Supplemental Nutrition Assistant program. If you 16 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 2: are relying on that, we'll try to figure out what 17 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:02,520 Speaker 2: it's going to happen. A couple of judges rule today 18 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,960 Speaker 2: that those benefits have to be available, but it's not 19 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 2: quite as simple as that, as we will explain. And 20 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:12,520 Speaker 2: then we will talk with the owner of the newest 21 00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 2: professional sports team in Boston, the Boston Dragons. They are 22 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: a team competing in the US Legends Pickleball League. Then 23 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 2: in the twentieth hour at eleven o'clock, we're going to 24 00:01:24,720 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 2: do all things halliween, and we have a number of 25 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:30,440 Speaker 2: tricks and treats we want to play. During the eleven 26 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: o'clock hour, Rob Brooks is finishing his vacation week. Dan 27 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 2: Cantano joins us again. Dan has produced this program on 28 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 2: several occasions and he will do a great job tonight. 29 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 2: So without any further Ado, we're going to go to 30 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,199 Speaker 2: our first guest here at the eight o'clock I'll remind 31 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 2: you there were no phone calls from callers, but we 32 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: do have four different guests. Doctor Adrian Velasque is Director 33 00:01:52,080 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: of Sleep Medicine at Tofts Medicine. I assume it's Toughs 34 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: University or Toughs Medical to Velasquez. Welcome to Night Side. 35 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you very much Dan for having me. How 36 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 3: having a good night. 37 00:02:10,720 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, we're having a fine night so far, but you know, 38 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 2: give me time here. We always can mess it up. Look, 39 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 2: all of us look forward. At least I do to 40 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: gaining it our sleep tomorrow night. But I guess when 41 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 2: we turn the clocks back an hour, as we will 42 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:32,040 Speaker 2: this Saturday night into Sunday morning, it can mess with 43 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 2: a lot of people's sleep or their arcadia rhythm. I've 44 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 2: never been impacted by this, thankfully, So tell us what 45 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 2: people need to watch out for who are impacted by 46 00:02:48,440 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 2: this additional hour of sleep. 47 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,760 Speaker 3: So there's been I think we could start with a 48 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 3: lot of people see it that Okay, you know what, 49 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 3: we're gonna gain an extra hour. I think the one 50 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 3: thing that people are forgetting that even with a change. 51 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 3: So we talk We mentioned about cirtating rhythm. It's our 52 00:03:09,440 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 3: body clock, you know. And one of the things that 53 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 3: happens is that when you change the clock, even if 54 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,679 Speaker 3: we think it's subtle, it's actually not. What happens is 55 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 3: it affects our mood, our health, our cognition, our thinking, 56 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 3: mental state. And there are a few people are much 57 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 3: more likely to be affected. We could talk about the 58 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 3: night nightshift workers. The shift work workers would be probably 59 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 3: the best the worst that would have it. But I 60 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 3: think there's been a lot of discussion with regards to 61 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 3: policies because there's been an I'm not sure if you 62 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 3: can acimulate or on about it. But one of the 63 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 3: things that policy makes been receiving, especially from specific medical association, 64 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 3: is that you know, what is really the benefit of it? 65 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 3: Uh And it's been some discussions that it has not 66 00:04:03,760 --> 00:04:06,880 Speaker 3: been proven, but you're you're you know. I think the 67 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 3: one thing going back to your question is that, yes, 68 00:04:09,440 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 3: it does affect even if people don't seem that they are, 69 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 3: but they are being affected by it. 70 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: So how long how long does it take for people 71 00:04:18,600 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 2: who are affected by it? And maybe maybe I don't 72 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:25,600 Speaker 2: feel I'm effective of it, maybe I am. How long 73 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: does it take for us to we've we've had that 74 00:04:29,880 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 2: that twenty five hour day in sleep cycle, I guess, 75 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,520 Speaker 2: which is what prows us, you know, out of out 76 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 2: of sync. How long does it take us to kind 77 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 2: of get back and lose the impact of that. 78 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 3: It's usually when And so when you when you look 79 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 3: into that perspective of how long does it take? I 80 00:04:53,839 --> 00:04:56,440 Speaker 3: think one of the things I tell my patients, it's 81 00:04:56,480 --> 00:04:58,800 Speaker 3: like it's like a jet lack jet lag without a 82 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 3: travel A. Yeah, it's like a jet black without a 83 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 3: travel So it takes about three days. And that is 84 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 3: if you have good sleep hygiene, and we could talk 85 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 3: more about sleep hygiene is basically having a regular sleep schedule, 86 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 3: you know, exposing yourself to white during the day and 87 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 3: also avoiding caffeine probably after four pm, and being consistent 88 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 3: about it. And if you're not consistent to begin with, 89 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 3: it's really going to be harder for you to adjust. 90 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,160 Speaker 3: It might not be it might not be as as 91 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 3: prominent if you're younger or if you don't have any 92 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 3: underlying sleep disorder, but if you do, it's going to 93 00:05:39,279 --> 00:05:40,200 Speaker 3: be more magnified. 94 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 2: So which is worse when you say after four pm? 95 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:50,360 Speaker 2: Which is worse for the sleep cycle? Alcohol? You know, 96 00:05:50,400 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 2: whether it's beer, wine, or a mixed drink or coffee 97 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 2: or are they all equally impactful? 98 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 3: They're all equally impactful. But I always tell my patience, 99 00:06:01,000 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 3: you know, moderate, and then they would ask me like, 100 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:07,800 Speaker 3: what's moderate. So if you don't all right, what's moderate? 101 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 3: Talk what's moderate? And then if you're drinking somebody adapt 102 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 3: patients stuff. I drink about three more cups of coffee 103 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 3: after four pm, And obviously I can't just tell tell 104 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 3: that patient I don't worry, well, you can't drink that. 105 00:06:22,320 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 3: So usually you get you know it's discussed with them. 106 00:06:24,880 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 3: I know you're laughing. You can come with that, discussed 107 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,920 Speaker 3: with that, like okay, let's let's meet in between, like 108 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 3: decrease it to one. And if you have somebody who's 109 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 3: moderately drinking, but moderate is ten glasses of wine and uh, 110 00:06:38,640 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 3: you know, but right, so you know you've dealt with them. 111 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 3: You're you're you talk to a lot of people. You 112 00:06:44,640 --> 00:06:47,280 Speaker 3: understand what I'm talking about. But yes, you know it's 113 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 3: it's about like, okay, you know what, let's decrease it 114 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 3: from your baseline and uh, but yes, overall it does 115 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: affect you. It does affect the sleep trifle. But then 116 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 3: you have patients will tell you like, I've been doing 117 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 3: this for three decades, it's not affecting me. 118 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 2: Do you do you believe that patient doctor when they 119 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:14,400 Speaker 2: you know, we're not infringing on the doctor patient confidentiality. Well, 120 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,440 Speaker 2: when someone comes in and says, oh, no, I have 121 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: four or five cups of coffee or I have you know, 122 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,800 Speaker 2: three or four glasses of wine and whatever, and it's 123 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: never affected me, I don't see how that's really possible. 124 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 2: But you're the doctor. Do you believe them? Or do 125 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,720 Speaker 2: you look them with a little bit of skepticism. 126 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:36,119 Speaker 3: So I think the number one thing is it takes 127 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 3: a while. You know, our body is very resilient to 128 00:07:38,640 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 3: change this. It's very good. And that's why when people 129 00:07:41,440 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 3: tell me about oh, you know, I'm not really that affected. Yes, 130 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 3: it does. But the thing is, as we get older, 131 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 3: our recuperation process is not as good as when we 132 00:07:51,840 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 3: were young. So that becomes more apparent, and it affects 133 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 3: the health effects become more apparent later on in life. 134 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 3: When it's going to happen, well, depends, you know. If 135 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,960 Speaker 3: you're if you're having a healthy lifestyle lifestyle, but what 136 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:09,239 Speaker 3: is healthy you glass of wine? I don't think that's healthy. 137 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 2: Well i'll tell you. I can tell you that I 138 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: think it does impact you as you get older. I 139 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,400 Speaker 2: have a pretty healthy lifestyle life, but I'm in the 140 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 2: gym generally five or six days a week. Uh and yeah, 141 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 2: I mean, which is good, don't get me wrong, But 142 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:30,000 Speaker 2: even that doesn't hold off. You have to keep as 143 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 2: you say, everything in moderation. Great to chat with you. 144 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 2: I enjoyed our conversation a lot. You're the director of 145 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 2: sleep Medicine. It's written here at Toughs medicine. Is is 146 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 2: that the accurate I want to give you the appropriate 147 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: title and appellation is Are you at the director of 148 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 2: sleep Medicine at Tough's Medicine or is it a Toughs University? 149 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:51,880 Speaker 2: Which is it? 150 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,520 Speaker 3: If I could ask, so, I'm the medical director of 151 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 3: sleep Medicine at Lawrence Memorial Hospital and Moros Weakfield, which 152 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 3: is under medicine. 153 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,680 Speaker 2: Okay, No, I just want to make sure you look 154 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 2: when I when someone says to me, oh, you know 155 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 2: Dan Ray, he's the host of Nightline, I said, no, no, no, no, no, 156 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:12,959 Speaker 2: that's Ted Copple. I'm the host of night Side. So 157 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 2: I really want to get it right. Thank you very much, 158 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 2: doctor felasque was. I enjoyed the conversation, delighted with the information, 159 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 2: and I'm glad we could have a couple of laughs 160 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: along the way. Thank you. I'd love to have you back. 161 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. 162 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 3: Definitely very welcome. And then yeah, the last thing though 163 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,200 Speaker 3: that I would say is that I know I mentioned 164 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 3: this before. You have been gaining an extra hour. 165 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 4: I know. 166 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 3: I always tell this like if it's a gift, but 167 00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 3: it's not a gift to stay up later. It's it's 168 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 3: a gift for us to be able to sleep a 169 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 3: little longer. 170 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 4: Uh. 171 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: That's that's so well said. And I'm going to follow 172 00:09:50,800 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 2: the doctor's advice because I I love that extra hour sleep. 173 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 2: I'm with you totally. Thank you so much. 174 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:59,920 Speaker 3: You're welcome. You have a good night. Thank you too. 175 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: Thanks doctor. When we get back, we're going to talk 176 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 2: with this group of ladies on the Cape who have 177 00:10:07,120 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 2: self identified. So it's not me. It's self identified as 178 00:10:09,960 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 2: Old Ladies against Underwater Garbage. Let me tell you, I 179 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 2: think it is a great sounding group. The acronym is 180 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: like olog or something O L A U G. We'll 181 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 2: talk to Mary Grower Holds and we'll get the we'll 182 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 2: get the backstory here coming back on night Side. 183 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:31,439 Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Boston's news Radio. 184 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 2: Well, I am delighted to welcome Mary Grower Holds. Mary. 185 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 2: I'm hoping I got that name correctly. How are you 186 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 2: this evening? 187 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:44,000 Speaker 4: You did, Dan? You got it? You got it correctly? Yes, right, 188 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 4: I'm doing fine. 189 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 2: Well. Now you're down to the Cape, but I'm not 190 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: picking up a cape cart accent here sounds to me 191 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 2: like you you may have spent some time elsewhere. Where's 192 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 2: that accent from Mary. 193 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 4: Oh dear, it's from a lot of different places. I 194 00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:05,520 Speaker 4: grew up in Texas, ended up living in Kansas, Toronto, Albany, 195 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,560 Speaker 4: all sorts of places, and ended up on the Cape, 196 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 4: which I love so well. 197 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: Everybody that is for sure. And your group uh and 198 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,599 Speaker 2: again I didn't name the group, but your group is 199 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:23,679 Speaker 2: old ladies against underwater garbage. I'm with you totally. You 200 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:29,800 Speaker 2: want to clean up Cape cod ponds. How how many 201 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 2: of your group are now senior citizens? 202 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 4: Oh gosh, every single one of us senior citizen. I 203 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,080 Speaker 4: mean you have to be sixty five to join? 204 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:43,680 Speaker 2: Okay? 205 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 4: And thanks? 206 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,400 Speaker 2: Female and female okay? 207 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 4: Oh, yes, and female absolutely. Ye. 208 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 2: Look, women are much neater than men. I think we 209 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,839 Speaker 2: know that at any age. So you know what, some 210 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 2: guys working with you, they're not going to be nearly 211 00:11:57,679 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 2: as effective as you are. So how long has the 212 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: group been around? How did you form? And what do 213 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:02,719 Speaker 2: you do? 214 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,960 Speaker 4: We've been around for about five years. Our founder, Susan Bauer, 215 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:17,679 Speaker 4: founded the group very casually and we we sort of 216 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 4: gathered a couple of us on the beach and started 217 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 4: talking about trash and the beach of a pond. I mean, 218 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 4: you know, we have like hundreds of ponds on the cape. 219 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:34,959 Speaker 4: So we ended up talking on the shoreline and I 220 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 4: had already been kind of collecting garbage at that point, 221 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 4: and so had a couple of other women. So we 222 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 4: ended up just talking and Susan said, you know, we 223 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 4: need to do this thing. 224 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:51,480 Speaker 2: So we we we do it. 225 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,559 Speaker 4: We were pretty busy during the summer. We go around 226 00:12:56,760 --> 00:13:00,959 Speaker 4: from pond to pond cleaning and we've collected like tons 227 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 4: and tons literally of garbage. 228 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 2: Is most of the stuff that you collect is most 229 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:12,679 Speaker 2: of it stuff that other people, perhaps younger people, have 230 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 2: been lazy and just discarded as opposed to putting it 231 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: in some form of a trash receptacle. 232 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 4: That's a really good question. And we find that there's 233 00:13:25,520 --> 00:13:28,559 Speaker 4: a couple of items that I think are pretty you know, 234 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 4: quote modern type items like fishing lures. We collect a 235 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 4: lot of those, and we collect a lot of beer cans. 236 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 4: But but a lot of the garbage is very old. 237 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 4: In other words, I mean, we think that people haven't 238 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 4: been collecting this garbage for maybe like even I don't know, 239 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 4: it could be one hundred years ago. 240 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: What's the weirdest thing? What is the weirdest thing that 241 00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 2: you ever found, uh, have you ever found, you know, 242 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:07,599 Speaker 2: amongst the trash, you know, you know, a bottle with 243 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 2: a with a special message in it, or what's the 244 00:14:10,559 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 2: weirdest thing you've ever found? You must have found that 245 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 2: we could talk about the radio. You know what I'm saying, right, 246 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 2: I do know what you're saying. 247 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 4: And we we haven't found any messages in the bottle. 248 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 4: We did find something that we we that appeared as 249 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 4: a complete gun, and we were ready. That was not 250 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:37,000 Speaker 4: that long ago, It's just a few years ago, I 251 00:14:37,120 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 4: mean a few a few weeks ago, and we thought, well, 252 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 4: this is very odd. We need to take this to 253 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 4: the police department. But it turned out to be this 254 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 4: incredibly intricate toy gun from the fifties, really, and so 255 00:14:52,400 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 4: that was very That was pretty bizarre. 256 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,680 Speaker 2: I bet you handled that one carefully, Yeah. 257 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:05,120 Speaker 4: Absolutely, we did. Probably The weirdest thing though, was the 258 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 4: blue toilet. We we pulled up a toilet that was 259 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:15,640 Speaker 4: this weird, bright blue and we knew we had a 260 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 4: we had a big catch. 261 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, how did well what do you do? What do 262 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: you do? Just walk along the shore and the stuff 263 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 2: kind of drifts in? Or do you get out there? 264 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 2: We were able to see the blue toilet, and at 265 00:15:29,040 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 2: that point you said that that's either a blue whale 266 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 2: or a blue toilet. Let's go see what it is. 267 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 4: No, we actually go diving. We we put on we 268 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 4: don't put on scuba gear, but we put on snorkels masks, 269 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 4: and we dive and we find this stuff. I mean, 270 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 4: it's it's incredible how how much stuff we find what 271 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 4: we're diving. Oh, it's unbelievable. I mean we're exhausted when 272 00:15:58,640 --> 00:15:59,120 Speaker 4: we get. 273 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 2: Out, jousted just listening to you. So are you still 274 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: accepting members or no? 275 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,200 Speaker 4: Well, we have a long waiting list. When we started, 276 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 4: we were five women, and I consider myself very lucky 277 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 4: that I was one of the originals because it's just 278 00:16:23,760 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 4: been very, very gratifying to watch us grow. And now 279 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 4: I think we've got thirty to forty members, and we've 280 00:16:34,440 --> 00:16:38,360 Speaker 4: got we've got tons born on a waiting list, I 281 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 4: mean women. Yeah, it really is. It's kind of amazing. 282 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 2: Well, this is just a great project. It helps I'm 283 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: sure getting people out working as a team and doing good. Mary, 284 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 2: this is a wonderful project. I'm so happy that I 285 00:16:56,560 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 2: could talk to you about it. So let me ask 286 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: you this, whether or not people want to join the 287 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 2: group or go on a wait list? Is there a 288 00:17:06,800 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 2: way people can follow your exploits? Is there a website 289 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 2: that we can direct them to? 290 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 4: Sure, we do have a website, and it's uh, let's see, 291 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 4: it's o log I believe hyphenma dot com. But if 292 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:27,119 Speaker 4: if they probably the more reliable thing would be to 293 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 4: just google, uh, you know o log. 294 00:17:31,359 --> 00:17:35,040 Speaker 2: Right, that stands for just that acronym stands for Old 295 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 2: Ladies Against Underwater Garbage. 296 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:44,879 Speaker 4: Exactly uge, so exactly a ug. 297 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 2: Well, that's right, Mary, thank you for your time. I 298 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 2: love your spunk, and I love your passion, and I 299 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 2: love what you're doing. And thank you on behalf of 300 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 2: a lot of people who benefit with cleaner ponds as 301 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:00,240 Speaker 2: a result of your commitment to this project. Thank you 302 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 2: so much. 303 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 4: Oh you're so welcome. We're doing the work, that's for sure. 304 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 2: No doubt, no. I can hear it in your voice. 305 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 2: And thanks again. And you sound more like a cape 306 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 2: Carter to me now you've lost the accident along. 307 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:15,600 Speaker 4: Excellent. 308 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 2: I love cape cod absolutely couldn't agree with you more. 309 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:24,480 Speaker 2: Mary grower Holtz. She's a member of the Old Ladies 310 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: Against underwater garbage and I am a want to I 311 00:18:29,040 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: can't become a member, but I want to become like 312 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 2: an auxiliary supporter or something like that. Thanks Mary, I 313 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 2: appreciate your time tonight. 314 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 4: Wonderful. Thank you so much. 315 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 3: Dan, very welcome. 316 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 2: Will we get back. We're going to talk about something 317 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 2: called doom scrolling. We will explain it, and we'll explain 318 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: why it's a problem. It is a problem, by the way, 319 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 2: and the first before we get to that, we have 320 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:53,159 Speaker 2: the news at the bottom of the hour right here 321 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 2: on Night's Hour with Dan Ray on a Friday night 322 00:18:55,640 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 2: t G I F it is Halloween. 323 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:03,879 Speaker 1: It's nice Eye with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 324 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:09,719 Speaker 2: All right, back here, we're talking with Saba Herony Louie. 325 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,920 Speaker 2: She's a licensed marriage and family therapist and the owner 326 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 2: of Take Root Therapy. Saba, welcome to Nightside. How are 327 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 2: you well? 328 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 5: Thanks? How are you doing? 329 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 2: I'm doing just great. We're talking about the nation's obsession 330 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:30,879 Speaker 2: with doom scrolling through social media platforms like Instagram and TikTok, 331 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 2: which some people are calling a national trauma because people 332 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 2: kind of get sucked into this, this this doom strolling. 333 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,520 Speaker 2: They keep scroll scrolling, and scrolling, and they spend half 334 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:50,520 Speaker 2: their day day scrolling. Is this affecting everybody equally, meaning 335 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 2: across ahe, across generations, and across genders, or is there 336 00:19:56,880 --> 00:20:00,359 Speaker 2: a specific subset of people who are most SAI doble 337 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 2: to this they just can't get away from it. 338 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 5: Well, I mean, I think if we consider who the 339 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 5: social media apps are targeting, those are the folks that 340 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 5: will likely find themselves doom scrolling. I also want to 341 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 5: be clear that the national trauma isn't necessarily the doom scrolling. However, 342 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 5: doom scrolling about the national trauma can keep us in 343 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 5: a place of trauma. We end up looping, and given 344 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 5: that the social media apps are meant to keep us engaged, they. 345 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 2: Want the clicks. They want the clicks exactly when you say, 346 00:20:30,840 --> 00:20:32,719 Speaker 2: when you use the term looping, I don't know if 347 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,159 Speaker 2: that is a medical term or a technical term not, 348 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 2: But for me, all that means is you look at one, 349 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,280 Speaker 2: you say, oh, that's interesting, here's another one, there's another one. 350 00:20:41,359 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 2: I mean, they're endless, and it's if it's it's it's 351 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: almost like you fall down a well and you can't 352 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 2: get up, you can't get out. How do you get 353 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:55,560 Speaker 2: out of this. Do they need do they any professional 354 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:56,680 Speaker 2: counselors like yourself. 355 00:20:57,520 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 5: Well, I think the first step is just to become 356 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 5: conscious us why we're doing it and when it's doing 357 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 5: to us. And so you know, of course we are 358 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 5: people that are empathetic, we are compassionate, we're curious, and 359 00:21:07,320 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 5: my suggestion is never that we check out completely, that 360 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 5: we're not staying up to date with what's happening in 361 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 5: the world. And if we keep in mind that the 362 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 5: apps and the algorithms are meant to keep us engaged, 363 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,639 Speaker 5: and they're going to show us the worst of the 364 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:19,760 Speaker 5: worst because it's going to keep us engaged longer, and 365 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 5: then continue to kind of have us view things that 366 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 5: might be really both awful that it's happening and really 367 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:29,960 Speaker 5: harmful for us to see. It can be also caused 368 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 5: some feelings of powerlessness, helplessness. Sometimes we feel paralyzed. Then 369 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 5: we can recognize this might not be the best use 370 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 5: of my time and energy, this might not be beneficial 371 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,360 Speaker 5: for me to continue to engage with. Once they get 372 00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:43,639 Speaker 5: step back, yeah. 373 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 2: View of the world. 374 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 4: It is. 375 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 5: I mean, as I say, it's an echo chamber. We're 376 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,879 Speaker 5: only seeing things in one frame, we're seeing kind of 377 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:57,439 Speaker 5: one thing amplified over and over again, or one thing 378 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:01,280 Speaker 5: from you know, the same perspective, and I can really 379 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 5: view the way that we experience the world and how 380 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 5: we feel about being in the world, and it can 381 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,680 Speaker 5: make life really scary, and it can help those that 382 00:22:10,760 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 5: are trying to sell advertisements on the apps a lot 383 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 5: more money. 384 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:18,840 Speaker 2: Well, all of this is pretty depressing when you when 385 00:22:18,920 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: you think about it, What has anyone ever done a study? 386 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:24,280 Speaker 2: And we don't script questions here on Night Side, So 387 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 2: if I ask you a question that's offline, tell me 388 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:30,199 Speaker 2: do we have any estimate as to say? I mean, 389 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: we have what three hundred and thirty million people in America? 390 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,280 Speaker 2: And if you're taught, if you eliminate the kids who 391 00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 2: you know, hopefully are under ten and are doing this, 392 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,719 Speaker 2: we're talking about probably, you know, anywhere about three three 393 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 2: hundred and ten million people. Any idea how many people 394 00:22:45,119 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: have been caught in this spider web of doom scrolling 395 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:50,359 Speaker 2: and they just can't escape? 396 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 5: Is this a I can't speak specifically to numbers, but 397 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 5: I can tell you how many of my clients, both 398 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 5: adults teams. I'm hearing about children too, who are spending 399 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,159 Speaker 5: taluntless hours on their phones, who find it hard to 400 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 5: go to sleep because they continue to scroll and scroll, 401 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,400 Speaker 5: And so it seems to be happening across the spectrum 402 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 5: in terms of age and gender. I think it's pretty pervasive. 403 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:19,399 Speaker 2: And this is separate in the part from the people 404 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 2: who are hooked on porn and stuff like that. I mean, 405 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:27,680 Speaker 2: this is a separate category from people who find themselves 406 00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 2: hooked on porn. 407 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 5: Right, Yes, that's not what I'm referring to here, right right. 408 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 2: That's another problems, another problem. That is another problem. So okay, 409 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 2: this is a relatively new development because we didn't have 410 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:49,000 Speaker 2: the Internet and the pervasiveness of the Internet even twenty 411 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: years ago. How do we get out of this as 412 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: a society or are we doomed to continue doomscrolling again? 413 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,920 Speaker 5: I think we have to become conscious. We have to 414 00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:02,320 Speaker 5: become aware and realize that our phones are tools for 415 00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 5: us to use which can be really helpful. But right 416 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,679 Speaker 5: now we have become the ones that are using our 417 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:12,200 Speaker 5: phones without being conscious about being thoughtful. There are many 418 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,680 Speaker 5: apps that you can use to kind of stop yourself, 419 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:19,919 Speaker 5: to limit yourself from using certain applications. You can simply 420 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 5: just delete them from your phone. But for some folks 421 00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 5: that may seem too difficult. So you start where you 422 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:29,840 Speaker 5: can to try to slowly almost weaning yourself off and 423 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 5: engaging in other activities that you likely are neglecting, timeless 424 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 5: friends and family time, reading time outside, if you are 425 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 5: wanting to engage in activism, getting out in the world 426 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 5: and doing that instead of just consuming tragedy after tragedy, 427 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 5: feeling powerless, feeling hopeless, feeling angry, and yet also feeling paralyzed. 428 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 2: I assume like this is an addiction, and I'm not 429 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 2: a therapist, so if I ask you a question, I'm dead. No, 430 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,840 Speaker 2: I feel free to tell me this sounds I think 431 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:02,399 Speaker 2: an addiction. 432 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,280 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's tricky to diagnose because it is again so 433 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 5: pervasive that I am hearing from folks that, yeah, they do. 434 00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 5: You feel like they're addicted to their phone as they 435 00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 5: find that it's hard for them to pay attention. It 436 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 5: can be difficult to complete tasks. 437 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 2: And everybody knows that that addictions. Once you're addicted, I 438 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,800 Speaker 2: don't care what it is, whether it's the alcohol or 439 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:27,440 Speaker 2: whether it's the hard drugs. Once you're addicted, the first 440 00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 2: thing you have to do is you got to recognize 441 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 2: the addiction. You have to admit it. Is that the 442 00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:34,760 Speaker 2: first step did you try to take with patients who 443 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 2: come to you with this problem. 444 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 5: Right to look at what is this costing me? What 445 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 5: is this costing me? 446 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're looking at a benefit benefit analysis. I guess 447 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,960 Speaker 2: you know there's no benefit to it. I guess. And 448 00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 2: it's just it's basically you're wasting your time. How can 449 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 2: folks get in touch with you? Or is there somewhere 450 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 2: if there are people listening tonight, can you recommend a 451 00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 2: helpline or a way in which if I mean, if 452 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,440 Speaker 2: there's one person listening was tonight and says, you've just 453 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,920 Speaker 2: identified you and I have just identified to them and 454 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: we've identified their problem. What who can they reach out to? 455 00:26:15,280 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 5: They're welcome to reach out to us. Our website is 456 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,760 Speaker 5: takeroot Therapy dot com and I'm happy to try to 457 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:23,600 Speaker 5: find them suitable resources where they're located. We're located in 458 00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:27,800 Speaker 5: Los Angeles, California, so we're able to work outside of 459 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:30,800 Speaker 5: California to serve folks. But we can help you find resources. 460 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 5: And I trust that if you look up my phone 461 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,919 Speaker 5: addiction or how to limit my phone time you're going 462 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,320 Speaker 5: to find countless suggestions online that might be able to 463 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:40,720 Speaker 5: help you. 464 00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:45,639 Speaker 2: Well. Thank you very much, thank you, thank you very 465 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 2: much for your time tonight. You are a licensed marriage 466 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 2: and family therapist, and you have a very calm voice. 467 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 2: I wish I had a voice as calm, and I 468 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 2: would even go so for us to say a calm 469 00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 2: and soothing voice which was which must be something that 470 00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,240 Speaker 2: you've developed as a therapist to help people. Thank you 471 00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 2: for helping my audience tonight. Appreciate it very very much. 472 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:08,399 Speaker 2: Thanks again, Thank you. 473 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 5: For the opportunity. 474 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,760 Speaker 2: You're welcome. Thank you very much. Have a great weekend. 475 00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,440 Speaker 2: Would we get back. We're going to talk about Halloween. 476 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:17,439 Speaker 2: It is the Halloween weekend. It sort of snuck up 477 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 2: on us this year. I mean, you know, all of 478 00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:23,120 Speaker 2: a sudden, it's the thirty first of October, Halloween night. 479 00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 2: They're having a big event up in Stalem, Massachusetts, not 480 00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 2: too far from where I am located. We're going to 481 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 2: talk with Manny and Andrews. He's the founder of the 482 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 2: Scream Club. This is this is this is what exactly 483 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 2: what it sounds like. People can go somewhere and just scream. 484 00:27:40,680 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 2: I mean, uh, we'll talk about it, I promise. 485 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,160 Speaker 1: On the other side of the break, you're on night 486 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: Side with Dan Ray. I'm telling you Boston's News Radio. 487 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 2: We're just wanted to scream. Well, there is now a 488 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 2: scream club and with us it Manny Herandez Hernandez founder 489 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:08,560 Speaker 2: of the Scream Scream Club. He's also a men's transformational coach. 490 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,239 Speaker 2: I have no idea what that means, but we're going 491 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:12,480 Speaker 2: to find out. Manny Hernandez. Welcome to her night Side. 492 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 3: How are you, hey, Dan, Thanks for having me. 493 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:15,720 Speaker 4: I'm doing well. 494 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 2: What is a men's transformational coach? I hope it's not 495 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 2: that I think it might be. Go ahead, No, it's not. 496 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,360 Speaker 6: It's probably not where you're thinking. But I'm I'm basically 497 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 6: like a like a mindset coach where I'm trying to 498 00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:33,600 Speaker 6: help men become a little bit more self aware and 499 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,920 Speaker 6: a little bit more emotionally intelligent, to try to help 500 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,960 Speaker 6: the me of five years ago when you really needed that. 501 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 2: Emotional intelligence for some reason. I've heard that a few 502 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 2: times in my life. I'm only getting. I'm only getting. 503 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 2: So you have you have something called the Scream Club, 504 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 2: and people actually come to your club. It's a look 505 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 2: it's a Phis location. 506 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, we meet at North Avenue Beach here over 507 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 6: on Lake Michigan here in Chicago, and yeah, we meet 508 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 6: up and we we screamed both both. 509 00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 2: The summer, winter, spring, and fall. I mean, I guess 510 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 2: I'm sure Lake Michigan. No, Chicago a little bit, be 511 00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,520 Speaker 2: a little I'd be screaming there just for being outside 512 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 2: in January. 513 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 6: Well, i'll tell you what this is my I just 514 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,080 Speaker 6: moved here last year. This will be coming up to 515 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 6: a year now in Chicago. This uh, this will be 516 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 6: my second winter. Yeah, it's pretty brutal. I moved here 517 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 6: from La so it's quite a change. 518 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,400 Speaker 2: Okay, So so people show up. Is this is this 519 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 2: a uh just a cultural phenomenon or are these people 520 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:55,200 Speaker 2: paying a dues or a fee or a membership in 521 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,720 Speaker 2: order to be an official member of the scream clubs 522 00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 2: Scream Club No, no, no. 523 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 6: No, yeah, it's completely free. We're just creating a space 524 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,840 Speaker 6: for people if they're feeling stress or an earning anxiety 525 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 6: from the weak to come meet us at the at 526 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:12,480 Speaker 6: the pier. I'm a breath work practitioner as well, so 527 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 6: I guide them through a few breaks that helped kind 528 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 6: of relax the nervous system a little bit. We give 529 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 6: everybody a pea. 530 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 2: You broke up on me, the man. You teach them 531 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 2: how to breathe Is that what you said? 532 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 6: I just guide them through a few breaths, like intentional breath, 533 00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 6: work breath to help to help, just relax the nervous system. 534 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 2: I really am. Okay. Yeah, And most people just scream 535 00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter that they can be screaming enjoy 536 00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,120 Speaker 2: and frustration or is it mostly frustration? 537 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 4: Yeah? 538 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 6: I mean, you know, it's that's a good question, and 539 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 6: I'm glad you asked that, because it's it varies, right. 540 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 6: I think that we always tell people, don't you don't 541 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:55,720 Speaker 6: have to tell us why you're here. If you have 542 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 6: something to scream about, to show up and we'll we're 543 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 6: going to hold that space for you. And but sometimes 544 00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,959 Speaker 6: people still come up to us afterwards, they give us. 545 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:05,479 Speaker 6: They tell us like, hey, you don't understand how much 546 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,000 Speaker 6: I needed this, And some of these stories of why 547 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,800 Speaker 6: they're screaming. A lot of it is heartbreaking, some of 548 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,480 Speaker 6: it is a little bit more joyful. Some say like, look, 549 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 6: I never I haven't I've got my whole life ever 550 00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,560 Speaker 6: having my voice be heard, and this has given me 551 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:19,360 Speaker 6: the opportunity and the permission to do so. 552 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 2: Have you ever heard the phrase when you're down and out, 553 00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,720 Speaker 2: get up and shout I'm down and out? 554 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:30,720 Speaker 6: That sounds very familiar to me. 555 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 2: I don't mean to make fun at all, but I 556 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 2: mean and and so how long is it is a session? 557 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,080 Speaker 2: Do you guys run it for an hour and people 558 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 2: come and go? Or are you there for for a 559 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 2: certain period of time? And protocol or courtesy means you stay, 560 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 2: and not only you you scream, face scream, everybody screams, 561 00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:55,760 Speaker 2: and you give them some ice cream. 562 00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 3: No, only you know. 563 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,760 Speaker 6: I do have shirts that say I Scream Sundays, so 564 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 6: because we do it on Sundays. So it's a play 565 00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:05,239 Speaker 6: on work. 566 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty cool. 567 00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,840 Speaker 6: But yeah, it's really quick. It's super quick. We show 568 00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 6: up at the times have changed a few times now 569 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,160 Speaker 6: because it's getting darker out. But we meet up let's 570 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 6: say at six o'clock, by six fifteen or walking out 571 00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,840 Speaker 6: together into the pier, I guide them real quik through 572 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 6: the breaths, We do our ritual, if you will, and 573 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,200 Speaker 6: that we're out of there five ten minutes after that. 574 00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,480 Speaker 6: So it's really quick. You know, it's just a quick 575 00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,760 Speaker 6: intention to let go of anything that's been bothering you 576 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 6: from the week to start Monday fresh. 577 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 2: Okay, So other than just a prime will scream, they 578 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 2: are able to scream and articulate a thought as well. 579 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 2: I know I don't script questions here, but I think 580 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: this is really interesting. So other than just yelling at 581 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 2: the top of their lungs, can they scream something whatever? 582 00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 2: I'm so frustrated with my job. Oh yeah, they they 583 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,640 Speaker 2: scream out messages, is what I'm asking you. 584 00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, they can. They can't do that right, And it's 585 00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 6: it's so funny because we have one gentleman who is 586 00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:11,320 Speaker 6: a is a big metal head, like he loves metal music, 587 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 6: and when he started coming, he would just yell out 588 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 6: his favorite lyric from a metal song. 589 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 3: Just again just. 590 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 6: A way to like let it go. But in terms 591 00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,440 Speaker 6: in terms of intention, right, Like what we do is 592 00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 6: we always give everybody a piece of biodegradable paper that 593 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 6: is aquatic safe, it's safe for the environment, and we 594 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:33,479 Speaker 6: have them write down anything that's been bothering them from 595 00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 6: the week or just in life that's been weighing heavy 596 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,560 Speaker 6: on them. And then before we do the scream I 597 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:41,920 Speaker 6: count them down three, two, one, and they roll it 598 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 6: up and they toss that paper into the water as 599 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 6: a symbol of I'm letting this go. 600 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 2: That's wonderful, that's great. 601 00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:49,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 602 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 2: Now can they scream foul language? 603 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,360 Speaker 6: I mean I have been known, Yeah, you know, I've 604 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 6: because look, I I don't I can't control what people 605 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 6: say or what they scream about. But I always try. 606 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:09,719 Speaker 6: I always try to say, Look, there's sometimes there's kids 607 00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:11,879 Speaker 6: who come right there, there's kid there are like five 608 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,080 Speaker 6: year old kids who come who come with their come 609 00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 6: with their with their parents, and parents wanted to show 610 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,160 Speaker 6: them a healthy way of releasing stress and anxiety, and 611 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 6: so ideally they're not doing that. But yeah, for the 612 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,319 Speaker 6: most part, people just scream. Uh sometimes they'll curse. I mean, 613 00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 6: I've heard it, but it's uh yeah, but it's been 614 00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,680 Speaker 6: it's been pretty pretty uh pg. I would say, for 615 00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 6: the most. 616 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:33,040 Speaker 2: Part, did you do this in La? Did you bring 617 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,360 Speaker 2: this to Chicago or was it the cold weather that 618 00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:36,080 Speaker 2: thought that? 619 00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:40,000 Speaker 1: You know, I didn't. I didn't do this in La. 620 00:34:40,880 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 6: You know, I moved to Chicago. I came here to 621 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,520 Speaker 6: be with my partner, who is the co founder of 622 00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,880 Speaker 6: Scream Club. My partner Lena, and uh, you know, I 623 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,000 Speaker 6: just moved through the city. This is me trying to 624 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:52,799 Speaker 6: figure out what the heck I'm doing with my life now. 625 00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 6: It's first time living with my partner that you know, 626 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,120 Speaker 6: the woes that come with that and dealing with that 627 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 6: for the first time. Yeah, we were having a pretty 628 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:05,120 Speaker 6: crap week. And yeah, as we were walking by the lake, 629 00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:06,960 Speaker 6: I just said, you know, do you want to just 630 00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 6: go and scream? And she said she was like, yeah, 631 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:12,839 Speaker 6: let's do it. But what if people are What if 632 00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,160 Speaker 6: people are around and they hear us, and I go, 633 00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 6: don't worry, I'll just ask them if they want to join. 634 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 6: And that's exactly what we did. We walked over to 635 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,719 Speaker 6: the pier. There were a few people around. I turned 636 00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 6: to one of them and I said, look, I'm so 637 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,160 Speaker 6: sorry to bother you, but we're about to scream into like, 638 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 6: if you'd like to join us, you're more than welcome 639 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:30,000 Speaker 6: to and they were happily obliged, and we did that. 640 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,240 Speaker 6: We screamed. Some of those people who joined us cried, 641 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,120 Speaker 6: and that's when Elena and I looked at each other. 642 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 6: We're like, this is something that we have to start 643 00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 6: to think, and yeah, Screen Club was born. 644 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,440 Speaker 2: Well, what did they say? Necessity is the mother of 645 00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 2: invention here, so you have that's right to do something. 646 00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,120 Speaker 2: Man I really enjoyed the conversation. If folks want to 647 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 2: get information or see you got a website or anything, 648 00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:51,840 Speaker 2: we can send people to this weekend. 649 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:52,279 Speaker 3: Yeah. 650 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 6: Absolutely. The website is www dot Thescreamclub dot com. Or 651 00:35:58,120 --> 00:36:01,440 Speaker 6: you can find us on the social media pages scream 652 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,160 Speaker 6: Club ch I so stream Club Chai and they can 653 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 6: find us that way. 654 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:10,680 Speaker 2: Okay, and Scream Club you don't need that www anymore, 655 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:12,719 Speaker 2: just scream Club dot com. 656 00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,319 Speaker 6: Well, it's Screamclub dot Com was taken, so we had 657 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 6: to put the Screamclub dot com. 658 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:20,319 Speaker 2: Oh, Manny, I really enjoyed it. Thank you so much 659 00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 2: with it, and I wish it best of luck with 660 00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:29,640 Speaker 2: both the White Sox and the Cubs. Although I both 661 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,280 Speaker 2: of you may find some cub In White Sox players 662 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,520 Speaker 2: screaming with you at some point next season. It can 663 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 2: be frustrated. 664 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 6: Yeah, we'll welcome them with open arms. 665 00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:46,239 Speaker 2: Again, Manny, I appreciate it. Thank you. When we come back, 666 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,839 Speaker 2: we're going to get to the news of the day, 667 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:54,000 Speaker 2: and that is the SNAP. The Supplemental Nutrition Assistance program, 668 00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 2: which I think has caused a lot of unnecessary aggravation. 669 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,200 Speaker 2: We still don't know what the solution is, which try 670 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 2: to keep you up to date and try to answer 671 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 2: some questions and take some phone calls. How about that? 672 00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 2: And then later on this evening, we're going to introduce 673 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,839 Speaker 2: you to the owner of Boston's newest professional sports team, 674 00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:16,239 Speaker 2: the Boston Dragons pickleball team. Michael Toe will join us, 675 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 2: and then we'll talk some Halloween. In the twentieth hour 676 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,640 Speaker 2: of the week, we're coming back on Nightside